However, I am sorry to inform you that Serbs are capable of not only shooting at themselves BUT also killing themselves to alarm the world on what 'awful' state they live.
(PRN)
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Such a desperate comment. A weak attempt to get a reaction.
However, I am sorry to inform you that Serbs are capable of not only shooting at themselves BUT also killing themselves to alarm the world on what 'awful' state they live.
(PRN, 13 May 2010 16:00)
Of course, PRN. . .seeking the compassion of the global community is something that has helped the Serbs so much during the Balkan Wars.
Thank you world for:
* helping to convict Naser Oric for the REAL genocide of innocent Serbian villagers surrounding the armed enclave of Srebrenica.
* assisting the repatriation of over 250,000 Serbs from Krajina that were ethnically cleansed by Croatians from their ancestral homes
* helping over 500,000 refugees in Serbia find suitable accomodation or repatriation
*putting a stop to the wanton destruction of our Orthodox churches and monasteries by muslim hordes in Kosovo
* helping Kosovo Serbs attain even basic medical needs that were prevented from reaching hospitals due to Albanian authorities
Wait. . .you mean that this hasn't happened!?!
People like you are just vile excuses for human beings who project their own misgivings onto others.
Do us all a favour and just leave. . .
(Nemanja, Connecticut, 13 May 2010 17:00)
Yeah but we haven't convicted Ratko Mladic of the REAL genocide that happened at Srebrenica.
Do us all a favor and leave?
Serbs continue to poison the Bosnian state and drag into into further political turmoil.
What we have learned over the last few decades in the Balkans is that you can't take land by force. It just doesn't work.
Kosovo is arguably and unfortunately almost Albanian.
You should really look at your own people before you start waving the finger around.
If serbs don't like it there, they should pack up and leave. That's it!
(baker, 15 May 2010 01:31)
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Really!!
You think it's going to be that easy?
It's the Albanians who should've packed up and left if they didn't like their country Serbia. Why come from Albania is such great numbers if you don't like a country?
One reason only. Grow in numbers and take over. That's exactly the same tactic used by Muslims all around the world.
Ataman,
First let me say that I have the utmost respect for you. You make every effort to be considerate of others.
That being said, I can't be silent when individuals repeatedly accuse others of behaviors they dislike and yet they themselves use time and again.
It is hypocritical.
It is roberto who wrote "..i think that my voice should carry at least as much weight as other journalists or investigators."
My comment is a response to the hypocrisy and condescending attitude that we read again and again.
"roberto will bring cake and provide singalongs this evening." (Me)
"mike -- do not EVER use my name in vain again. you've caused enough problems and hate over the years. get it?"
(roberto )
-- No roberto, I really don't. Isn't that what you want to be known for - the one who teaches everyone tolerance and co-existence? A noble gesture no doubt, but isn't it kind of funny that the people you think need teaching the most are the ones most frequently targeted by the intolerance of those you call your "colleagues"? I mean the proof is in the pudding so I fail to see how a comment like mine gets you all riled up to the point where you lose your cool composure and act like a child picked on at the playground. Aren't you the one calling for peace and reconciliation while placing all blame on Serb radicals if they're not members of OTPOR or LDP? Whose the one using hatred here my friend? Perhaps if you get so offended you should refrain from writing here since everyone at one point or another gets pricked. Some handle the criticism better than others. You apparently can't. Maybe you should take the advice from other people here who suggested you form your own blog. Invite your "colleagues" over and you can all put the blame on someone else without the rest of us taking your name in vain.
And how have I "caused enough problems and hate over the years?" Care to elaborate? I may be more Serbopihilic than you, but I do believe I've been quite fair when it comes to objectively solving the Kosovo and Bosnia cases.
Roberto! Don't listen to these bad people and serbs. They shout "you are HOMOSEXUAL!" "you are JEW!" but that only because you speak truth about Kosova. You are hero for Kosova people!
(Arsim, 14 May 2010 14:22)
Since Robert is a teacher and his full name is known - he would be totally crazy if he would ever speak about own sexual preferences. Even in what supposed to be "liberal" SF area: openly speaking about such thing would be deadly for own carrier as a teacher.
AS to great teachers were you tought by Kõváry Kavics?He is another big loss opf the last decade.It si so sad to see these last legends passing away.
(szemi, 14 May 2010 12:55)
Yes, he was the #2 teacher, #1 was Ms. G. T. We had pretty intensive course, so two math teachers took care about the class.
Regarding Joe I still have quite a bit of guilt sense because someone from Tbilisi I know did finally clear "our" Joe being NOT Joe Henel. I wrote about it a day or two ago, hope Joe did catch my writing. Just in case he missed - apologies again.
May his (mis)adventure with Hungarian citizenship come to happy end.
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To others: c'mon guys, Roberto just went postal like many of us, myself included and exploded on Mike. That happens. No "team attack" please. Wasn't visible that much - but in last few days I, too went postal and exploded just not as loudly. The reason was the destroyed transmitters.
What I said about Gjergj Basta is 100% true and I hold to it.
Roberto! Don't listen to these bad people and serbs. They shout "you are HOMOSEXUAL!" "you are JEW!" but that only because you speak truth about Kosova. You are hero for Kosova people!
roberto says..."do not EVER use my name in vain again. you've caused enough problems and hate over the years. get it?"
Problems and hate???....look who's talking!!
Our wanna-be frustrated journalist, questionable investigator, who has no first-hand proof, is telling others here what they can and cannot say?
Maybe you should get out of your middle school job, try and find a position with a credible newspaper as an investigative reporter and then maybe you'll feel less frustrated.
@ Joe: yes... I know... you are probably surprised. But our history teacher was probably the best history teacher of the country who recently passed away, Dr. Gábor Gyapai. So I knew that all along. It wasn't in the history books till recent.
(Ataman, 14 May 2010 04:32)
Indeed He and his professor Mályusz Elemér infected me with the love of history.I spent long ours in my childhood listening to their stories.But in fact it is Mályusz jr or better known as Kacor who is the albanian expert and could really enlighten some hungarians with superficial knowlage who these albanians really are(not only Basta)espescially those self declared honorary albanians who BTW admitadly never met an albanian.in their life.AS to great teachers were you tought by Kõváry Kavics?He is another big loss opf the last decade.It si so sad to see these last legends passing away.
"You must have a very big family in Kosovo. I remember few months ago your brother-in-law was attacked and landed in the hospital."
Joe
They are all from my wifes side. The one attacked a few months ago is also on "the list" of suspected Serb warcriminals, him and one of his broters. Apparently some local albanians decided to make a list on their own. There are KFOR soilders coming by all the time to check up on them and make sure they are safe. If they were indeed suspected of something they would be arrested long ago. These relatives of mine had many albanian friends and had no reason to harm anyone. Since they have been able to rebuild their houses lately some albanians seem to think that's a bad idea. In the long run these Serbs in this area will leave. Its impossible to live in such a hostile albanians environment. So much for a democratic, multiethnic and prosperous Kosovo.
mike -- do not EVER use my name in vain again. you've caused enough problems and hate over the years. get it?
roberto
frisco
(roberto, 14 May 2010 06:33)
I guess Roberto has a problem with cake? Maybe he does not like the tune "Kumbaya..."
Anyway, its funny he accuses Mike of spreading hate when he himself is really the guilty party here, all the while hiding beneath his supposedly multiethnic exterior.
serbian in zac have killed lots of people.ou should ask how/in the most barbaric way.I am not related to these victims and i found it hard to accept them to come back in the crime scene,so imagine how their familie feel!
(lili, 13 May 2010 16:08)
A Hapsburg mercenary general Gjergj "Giorgio" Basta was one of the reasons Romanians and Serbs populated large parts of Transylvania and Vojvodina centuries ago.
He killed unimaginable number of Hungarians most sadistic and bestial way. His hatred towards Hungarians was legendary.
In some sense not the Ottoman rule per se, but the Hapsburg "liberation" of Hungary was the biggest disaster.
Here is the link to that "gentleman":
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giorgio_Basta
He is a very infamous personality among Romanians as well - but his main "activity" was killing as many Hungarians as possible. We can say, one of the most evil personalities in Hungarian history.
I think for the German version is the best, more detailed than Hungarian:
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giorgio_Basta
"Und bald verbreiteten sich sowohl Haiducken, als Wallonen auf den Dörfern, wo sie auf das Grausamste hauseten. Diejenigen, welche niedergehauen wurden, waren noch glücklich. Denn den Gefangenen dreheten sie so lang Stricke um ihre Köpfe, bis ihnen das Gehirn herausspritzte; oder sie folterten ihre Leiber mit glühenden Kohlen, um ihnen ihre verborgenen Güter zu entdecken. – Hier war kein Verschonen, keine Menschlichkeit! Männer, Frauen, Kinder, – selbst die im Mutterleibe, – wurden Opfer der erbitterten unmenschlichen Soldaten. Den Frauen schnitten sie die Brüste auf, und bestreuten sie mit Salze; jungen Mannspersonen wurden die Näbel aufgeschnitten, und an Bäume genagelt, dann diese Unglücklichen so lang um die Bäume getrieben, bis ihr ganzes Eigeweide herumgewickelt war, und sie tod hinfielen. – Viele flüchteten sich in die Gebirge, allein nur zu einem andern, und langsamern Tode. Hunger und Frost, die itzt außerordentlich waren, wurden ihre Mörder!"
(Sorry, no translation because you probably will throw up). If you unlucky to know German you for sure will. What was done was not even in the worst nightmare of Arkan's gang.
But since Joe knows German... he can understand it and get a big "shocker".
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Based on what is out there about "your" Gjergj Basta and your posting I have a question.
Should we meet the daily Pristina-Vienna bus which passes through outskirts of Budapest with heavy machine gun fire?
Because based on your logic and based on the "glorious" deeds of Gjergj Basta this would be well-deserved. Or not?
Now imagine how Hungarians should feel who know the history. Welcome to Hungary, girl. If you ride that bus - remember, you ride on blood shed by Basta. And unlike Tito's partizans in Vojvodina - not even a lame excuse does exist. Basta was a sadist like few.
@ Joe: yes... I know... you are probably surprised. But our history teacher was probably the best history teacher of the country who recently passed away, Dr. Gábor Gyapai. So I knew that all along. It wasn't in the history books till recent.
How come B92 isn't reporting on the Macedonian police killing Albanian arms smugglers from Kosovo? At least one or two of them was well known by the Serbian police for smuggling arms and other illegal activities.
serbian in zac have killed lots of people.ou should ask how/in the most barbaric way.I am not related to these victims and i found it hard to accept them to come back in the crime scene,so imagine how their familie feel!
(lili, 13 May 2010 16:08)
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Lili, since you know this how about you tell us exactly who the criminals are.
We have Serbs returning to their homes and you say they committed the most horrible crimes but you cannot name any of them can you?
I would bet my bottom dollar none of the Albanians there can either so on what evidence do you make such accusations?
Do you practice your posts on anyone before you send them in?
This is a big lie...
(xheffo)
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This is what KPS have stated.
What are you claiming; Are you trying to expose their incompetence? Are you realizing their uselessness there? or are you finally realizing that true enforcements need to be stationed in Kosovo. And you do know the options in that paradox; Continue UN installments according to Resolution 1244 or Serb Forces.
Why are Serbs living in tents? There homes have not been rebuilt? Did Belgrade kick these people out of Serbia? I feel sorry for these Serbs. Apperently nobody wants them around!
What may eventually happen, Mirub, is that the Serbs will fire back - and then where will that lead? The K Albanians are taking the law into their own hands, and just by pointing a finger at someone does not make that person a war criminal - there are courts for that. If some of the returnees actually did commit a war crime, then an accusation should be made with the local international court and have the matter resolved in a civilized manner - am I wrong?
Once again, Europe's Youngest Democrats go out of their way to welcome Serbs to the Happiest Place on Earth.
What Serbs failed to realize is that these Young Democrats were firing shots into the air! Was it a wedding? Well sort of. It's a happy marriage of two peoples joining together to form a flourishing multiethnic democracy.
roberto will bring cake and provide singalongs this evening.
In case, you really believe that the Serbs who killed some persons would dare to return to the multiethnic dream state of Kosovo instead of staying safe in Serbia? How stupid must they be to dare that...
However, I am sorry to inform you that Serbs are capable of not only shooting at themselves BUT also killing themselves to alarm the world on what 'awful' state they live.
(PRN, 13 May 2010 16:00)
Of course, PRN. . .seeking the compassion of the global community is something that has helped the Serbs so much during the Balkan Wars.
Thank you world for:
* helping to convict Naser Oric for the REAL genocide of innocent Serbian villagers surrounding the armed enclave of Srebrenica.
* assisting the repatriation of over 250,000 Serbs from Krajina that were ethnically cleansed by Croatians from their ancestral homes
* helping over 500,000 refugees in Serbia find suitable accomodation or repatriation
*putting a stop to the wanton destruction of our Orthodox churches and monasteries by muslim hordes in Kosovo
* helping Kosovo Serbs attain even basic medical needs that were prevented from reaching hospitals due to Albanian authorities
Wait. . .you mean that this hasn't happened!?!
People like you are just vile excuses for human beings who project their own misgivings onto others.
"...was fired at "from a great distance",......One bullet hit a wall in one of the returnees' homes, reports said."
Uh huh? So now they don't have the guts to actually show their faces when they are stoning returnees, preferring to use snipers.
Clearly the supposedly disbanded KLA is behind this. I bet if they check the bullet they will find it was fired from a Barratt sniper rifle, the type that the US government turned a blind eye to being exported from the US to Kosovo...
Brave "young europeans" at work again,but always from a great distance,or with the stones.
If stones or guns do not work,then they`ll try war crimes.
So disgustingly predictable..!
serbian in zac have killed lots of people.ou should ask how/in the most barbaric way.I am not related to these victims and i found it hard to accept them to come back in the crime scene,so imagine how their familie feel!
Pristina Research Network (PRN) who was at the scene found out that it has been playing kids. They incidently took real guns instead of their water pistols, both lying on the table of their parents.
(Top, 13 May 2010 14:55)
Thanks TOP, for PR.
However, I am sorry to inform you that Serbs are capable of not only shooting at themselves BUT also killing themselves to alarm the world on what 'awful' state they live.
This is becoming ridiculous. Albanians should know that Serbs will have to come back to live there and Serbs should know they are not wanted there. So how about having a council made off Serbs, Kosovars and internationals to compromise the situation. Have the returnees background checked against allegations of involvement in war crimes. Who ever is cleared than would be safe to live there.
Than again, it could have been worse. The returnees could have been hit by those shots.
Wow, Serbs should feel so much safer now that KPS is doing their investigation. They have so far managed to apprehend 0 percent of all those albanians who have attacked and threatened Serbs.
I just learned that two of my relatives had been charged by albanians in Zac for warcrimes. These two wouldn't hurt a fly. What probably happend is that local albanians themselves wrote a letter with the names of some local Serbs, hoping to scare them enough so they wouldn't return. I'm glad to see that they did return and that they are standing up to terrorism and criminals.
Pristina Research Network (PRN) who was at the scene found out that it has been playing kids. They incidently took real guns instead of their water pistols, both lying on the table of their parents.
Once again, Europe's Youngest Democrats go out of their way to welcome Serbs to the Happiest Place on Earth.
What Serbs failed to realize is that these Young Democrats were firing shots into the air! Was it a wedding? Well sort of. It's a happy marriage of two peoples joining together to form a flourishing multiethnic democracy.
roberto will bring cake and provide singalongs this evening.
Pristina Research Network (PRN) who was at the scene found out that it has been playing kids. They incidently took real guns instead of their water pistols, both lying on the table of their parents.
Wow, Serbs should feel so much safer now that KPS is doing their investigation. They have so far managed to apprehend 0 percent of all those albanians who have attacked and threatened Serbs.
I just learned that two of my relatives had been charged by albanians in Zac for warcrimes. These two wouldn't hurt a fly. What probably happend is that local albanians themselves wrote a letter with the names of some local Serbs, hoping to scare them enough so they wouldn't return. I'm glad to see that they did return and that they are standing up to terrorism and criminals.
However, I am sorry to inform you that Serbs are capable of not only shooting at themselves BUT also killing themselves to alarm the world on what 'awful' state they live.
(PRN, 13 May 2010 16:00)
Of course, PRN. . .seeking the compassion of the global community is something that has helped the Serbs so much during the Balkan Wars.
Thank you world for:
* helping to convict Naser Oric for the REAL genocide of innocent Serbian villagers surrounding the armed enclave of Srebrenica.
* assisting the repatriation of over 250,000 Serbs from Krajina that were ethnically cleansed by Croatians from their ancestral homes
* helping over 500,000 refugees in Serbia find suitable accomodation or repatriation
*putting a stop to the wanton destruction of our Orthodox churches and monasteries by muslim hordes in Kosovo
* helping Kosovo Serbs attain even basic medical needs that were prevented from reaching hospitals due to Albanian authorities
Wait. . .you mean that this hasn't happened!?!
People like you are just vile excuses for human beings who project their own misgivings onto others.
In case, you really believe that the Serbs who killed some persons would dare to return to the multiethnic dream state of Kosovo instead of staying safe in Serbia? How stupid must they be to dare that...
Brave "young europeans" at work again,but always from a great distance,or with the stones.
If stones or guns do not work,then they`ll try war crimes.
So disgustingly predictable..!
What may eventually happen, Mirub, is that the Serbs will fire back - and then where will that lead? The K Albanians are taking the law into their own hands, and just by pointing a finger at someone does not make that person a war criminal - there are courts for that. If some of the returnees actually did commit a war crime, then an accusation should be made with the local international court and have the matter resolved in a civilized manner - am I wrong?
"...was fired at "from a great distance",......One bullet hit a wall in one of the returnees' homes, reports said."
Uh huh? So now they don't have the guts to actually show their faces when they are stoning returnees, preferring to use snipers.
Clearly the supposedly disbanded KLA is behind this. I bet if they check the bullet they will find it was fired from a Barratt sniper rifle, the type that the US government turned a blind eye to being exported from the US to Kosovo...
Pristina Research Network (PRN) who was at the scene found out that it has been playing kids. They incidently took real guns instead of their water pistols, both lying on the table of their parents.
(Top, 13 May 2010 14:55)
Thanks TOP, for PR.
However, I am sorry to inform you that Serbs are capable of not only shooting at themselves BUT also killing themselves to alarm the world on what 'awful' state they live.
"roberto will bring cake and provide singalongs this evening." (Me)
"mike -- do not EVER use my name in vain again. you've caused enough problems and hate over the years. get it?"
(roberto )
-- No roberto, I really don't. Isn't that what you want to be known for - the one who teaches everyone tolerance and co-existence? A noble gesture no doubt, but isn't it kind of funny that the people you think need teaching the most are the ones most frequently targeted by the intolerance of those you call your "colleagues"? I mean the proof is in the pudding so I fail to see how a comment like mine gets you all riled up to the point where you lose your cool composure and act like a child picked on at the playground. Aren't you the one calling for peace and reconciliation while placing all blame on Serb radicals if they're not members of OTPOR or LDP? Whose the one using hatred here my friend? Perhaps if you get so offended you should refrain from writing here since everyone at one point or another gets pricked. Some handle the criticism better than others. You apparently can't. Maybe you should take the advice from other people here who suggested you form your own blog. Invite your "colleagues" over and you can all put the blame on someone else without the rest of us taking your name in vain.
And how have I "caused enough problems and hate over the years?" Care to elaborate? I may be more Serbopihilic than you, but I do believe I've been quite fair when it comes to objectively solving the Kosovo and Bosnia cases.
This is becoming ridiculous. Albanians should know that Serbs will have to come back to live there and Serbs should know they are not wanted there. So how about having a council made off Serbs, Kosovars and internationals to compromise the situation. Have the returnees background checked against allegations of involvement in war crimes. Who ever is cleared than would be safe to live there.
Than again, it could have been worse. The returnees could have been hit by those shots.
Why are Serbs living in tents? There homes have not been rebuilt? Did Belgrade kick these people out of Serbia? I feel sorry for these Serbs. Apperently nobody wants them around!
mike -- do not EVER use my name in vain again. you've caused enough problems and hate over the years. get it?
roberto
frisco
(roberto, 14 May 2010 06:33)
I guess Roberto has a problem with cake? Maybe he does not like the tune "Kumbaya..."
Anyway, its funny he accuses Mike of spreading hate when he himself is really the guilty party here, all the while hiding beneath his supposedly multiethnic exterior.
serbian in zac have killed lots of people.ou should ask how/in the most barbaric way.I am not related to these victims and i found it hard to accept them to come back in the crime scene,so imagine how their familie feel!
"You must have a very big family in Kosovo. I remember few months ago your brother-in-law was attacked and landed in the hospital."
Joe
They are all from my wifes side. The one attacked a few months ago is also on "the list" of suspected Serb warcriminals, him and one of his broters. Apparently some local albanians decided to make a list on their own. There are KFOR soilders coming by all the time to check up on them and make sure they are safe. If they were indeed suspected of something they would be arrested long ago. These relatives of mine had many albanian friends and had no reason to harm anyone. Since they have been able to rebuild their houses lately some albanians seem to think that's a bad idea. In the long run these Serbs in this area will leave. Its impossible to live in such a hostile albanians environment. So much for a democratic, multiethnic and prosperous Kosovo.
If serbs don't like it there, they should pack up and leave. That's it!
(baker, 15 May 2010 01:31)
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Really!!
You think it's going to be that easy?
It's the Albanians who should've packed up and left if they didn't like their country Serbia. Why come from Albania is such great numbers if you don't like a country?
One reason only. Grow in numbers and take over. That's exactly the same tactic used by Muslims all around the world.
Ataman,
First let me say that I have the utmost respect for you. You make every effort to be considerate of others.
That being said, I can't be silent when individuals repeatedly accuse others of behaviors they dislike and yet they themselves use time and again.
It is hypocritical.
It is roberto who wrote "..i think that my voice should carry at least as much weight as other journalists or investigators."
My comment is a response to the hypocrisy and condescending attitude that we read again and again.
serbian in zac have killed lots of people.ou should ask how/in the most barbaric way.I am not related to these victims and i found it hard to accept them to come back in the crime scene,so imagine how their familie feel!
(lili, 13 May 2010 16:08)
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Lili, since you know this how about you tell us exactly who the criminals are.
We have Serbs returning to their homes and you say they committed the most horrible crimes but you cannot name any of them can you?
I would bet my bottom dollar none of the Albanians there can either so on what evidence do you make such accusations?
Do you practice your posts on anyone before you send them in?
roberto says..."do not EVER use my name in vain again. you've caused enough problems and hate over the years. get it?"
Problems and hate???....look who's talking!!
Our wanna-be frustrated journalist, questionable investigator, who has no first-hand proof, is telling others here what they can and cannot say?
Maybe you should get out of your middle school job, try and find a position with a credible newspaper as an investigative reporter and then maybe you'll feel less frustrated.
Roberto! Don't listen to these bad people and serbs. They shout "you are HOMOSEXUAL!" "you are JEW!" but that only because you speak truth about Kosova. You are hero for Kosova people!
(Arsim, 14 May 2010 14:22)
Since Robert is a teacher and his full name is known - he would be totally crazy if he would ever speak about own sexual preferences. Even in what supposed to be "liberal" SF area: openly speaking about such thing would be deadly for own carrier as a teacher.
How come B92 isn't reporting on the Macedonian police killing Albanian arms smugglers from Kosovo? At least one or two of them was well known by the Serbian police for smuggling arms and other illegal activities.
This is a big lie...
(xheffo)
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This is what KPS have stated.
What are you claiming; Are you trying to expose their incompetence? Are you realizing their uselessness there? or are you finally realizing that true enforcements need to be stationed in Kosovo. And you do know the options in that paradox; Continue UN installments according to Resolution 1244 or Serb Forces.
serbian in zac have killed lots of people.ou should ask how/in the most barbaric way.I am not related to these victims and i found it hard to accept them to come back in the crime scene,so imagine how their familie feel!
(lili, 13 May 2010 16:08)
A Hapsburg mercenary general Gjergj "Giorgio" Basta was one of the reasons Romanians and Serbs populated large parts of Transylvania and Vojvodina centuries ago.
He killed unimaginable number of Hungarians most sadistic and bestial way. His hatred towards Hungarians was legendary.
In some sense not the Ottoman rule per se, but the Hapsburg "liberation" of Hungary was the biggest disaster.
Here is the link to that "gentleman":
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giorgio_Basta
He is a very infamous personality among Romanians as well - but his main "activity" was killing as many Hungarians as possible. We can say, one of the most evil personalities in Hungarian history.
I think for the German version is the best, more detailed than Hungarian:
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giorgio_Basta
"Und bald verbreiteten sich sowohl Haiducken, als Wallonen auf den Dörfern, wo sie auf das Grausamste hauseten. Diejenigen, welche niedergehauen wurden, waren noch glücklich. Denn den Gefangenen dreheten sie so lang Stricke um ihre Köpfe, bis ihnen das Gehirn herausspritzte; oder sie folterten ihre Leiber mit glühenden Kohlen, um ihnen ihre verborgenen Güter zu entdecken. – Hier war kein Verschonen, keine Menschlichkeit! Männer, Frauen, Kinder, – selbst die im Mutterleibe, – wurden Opfer der erbitterten unmenschlichen Soldaten. Den Frauen schnitten sie die Brüste auf, und bestreuten sie mit Salze; jungen Mannspersonen wurden die Näbel aufgeschnitten, und an Bäume genagelt, dann diese Unglücklichen so lang um die Bäume getrieben, bis ihr ganzes Eigeweide herumgewickelt war, und sie tod hinfielen. – Viele flüchteten sich in die Gebirge, allein nur zu einem andern, und langsamern Tode. Hunger und Frost, die itzt außerordentlich waren, wurden ihre Mörder!"
(Sorry, no translation because you probably will throw up). If you unlucky to know German you for sure will. What was done was not even in the worst nightmare of Arkan's gang.
But since Joe knows German... he can understand it and get a big "shocker".
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Based on what is out there about "your" Gjergj Basta and your posting I have a question.
Should we meet the daily Pristina-Vienna bus which passes through outskirts of Budapest with heavy machine gun fire?
Because based on your logic and based on the "glorious" deeds of Gjergj Basta this would be well-deserved. Or not?
Now imagine how Hungarians should feel who know the history. Welcome to Hungary, girl. If you ride that bus - remember, you ride on blood shed by Basta. And unlike Tito's partizans in Vojvodina - not even a lame excuse does exist. Basta was a sadist like few.
@ Joe: yes... I know... you are probably surprised. But our history teacher was probably the best history teacher of the country who recently passed away, Dr. Gábor Gyapai. So I knew that all along. It wasn't in the history books till recent.
However, I am sorry to inform you that Serbs are capable of not only shooting at themselves BUT also killing themselves to alarm the world on what 'awful' state they live.
(PRN)
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Such a desperate comment. A weak attempt to get a reaction.
Roberto! Don't listen to these bad people and serbs. They shout "you are HOMOSEXUAL!" "you are JEW!" but that only because you speak truth about Kosova. You are hero for Kosova people!
However, I am sorry to inform you that Serbs are capable of not only shooting at themselves BUT also killing themselves to alarm the world on what 'awful' state they live.
(PRN, 13 May 2010 16:00)
Of course, PRN. . .seeking the compassion of the global community is something that has helped the Serbs so much during the Balkan Wars.
Thank you world for:
* helping to convict Naser Oric for the REAL genocide of innocent Serbian villagers surrounding the armed enclave of Srebrenica.
* assisting the repatriation of over 250,000 Serbs from Krajina that were ethnically cleansed by Croatians from their ancestral homes
* helping over 500,000 refugees in Serbia find suitable accomodation or repatriation
*putting a stop to the wanton destruction of our Orthodox churches and monasteries by muslim hordes in Kosovo
* helping Kosovo Serbs attain even basic medical needs that were prevented from reaching hospitals due to Albanian authorities
Wait. . .you mean that this hasn't happened!?!
People like you are just vile excuses for human beings who project their own misgivings onto others.
Do us all a favour and just leave. . .
(Nemanja, Connecticut, 13 May 2010 17:00)
Yeah but we haven't convicted Ratko Mladic of the REAL genocide that happened at Srebrenica.
Do us all a favor and leave?
Serbs continue to poison the Bosnian state and drag into into further political turmoil.
What we have learned over the last few decades in the Balkans is that you can't take land by force. It just doesn't work.
Kosovo is arguably and unfortunately almost Albanian.
You should really look at your own people before you start waving the finger around.
AS to great teachers were you tought by Kõváry Kavics?He is another big loss opf the last decade.It si so sad to see these last legends passing away.
(szemi, 14 May 2010 12:55)
Yes, he was the #2 teacher, #1 was Ms. G. T. We had pretty intensive course, so two math teachers took care about the class.
Regarding Joe I still have quite a bit of guilt sense because someone from Tbilisi I know did finally clear "our" Joe being NOT Joe Henel. I wrote about it a day or two ago, hope Joe did catch my writing. Just in case he missed - apologies again.
May his (mis)adventure with Hungarian citizenship come to happy end.
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To others: c'mon guys, Roberto just went postal like many of us, myself included and exploded on Mike. That happens. No "team attack" please. Wasn't visible that much - but in last few days I, too went postal and exploded just not as loudly. The reason was the destroyed transmitters.
What I said about Gjergj Basta is 100% true and I hold to it.
@ Joe: yes... I know... you are probably surprised. But our history teacher was probably the best history teacher of the country who recently passed away, Dr. Gábor Gyapai. So I knew that all along. It wasn't in the history books till recent.
(Ataman, 14 May 2010 04:32)
Indeed He and his professor Mályusz Elemér infected me with the love of history.I spent long ours in my childhood listening to their stories.But in fact it is Mályusz jr or better known as Kacor who is the albanian expert and could really enlighten some hungarians with superficial knowlage who these albanians really are(not only Basta)espescially those self declared honorary albanians who BTW admitadly never met an albanian.in their life.AS to great teachers were you tought by Kõváry Kavics?He is another big loss opf the last decade.It si so sad to see these last legends passing away.
Pristina Research Network (PRN) who was at the scene found out that it has been playing kids. They incidently took real guns instead of their water pistols, both lying on the table of their parents.
(Top, 13 May 2010 14:55)
Thanks TOP, for PR.
However, I am sorry to inform you that Serbs are capable of not only shooting at themselves BUT also killing themselves to alarm the world on what 'awful' state they live.
serbian in zac have killed lots of people.ou should ask how/in the most barbaric way.I am not related to these victims and i found it hard to accept them to come back in the crime scene,so imagine how their familie feel!
This is becoming ridiculous. Albanians should know that Serbs will have to come back to live there and Serbs should know they are not wanted there. So how about having a council made off Serbs, Kosovars and internationals to compromise the situation. Have the returnees background checked against allegations of involvement in war crimes. Who ever is cleared than would be safe to live there.
Than again, it could have been worse. The returnees could have been hit by those shots.
Pristina Research Network (PRN) who was at the scene found out that it has been playing kids. They incidently took real guns instead of their water pistols, both lying on the table of their parents.
Roberto! Don't listen to these bad people and serbs. They shout "you are HOMOSEXUAL!" "you are JEW!" but that only because you speak truth about Kosova. You are hero for Kosova people!
Wow, Serbs should feel so much safer now that KPS is doing their investigation. They have so far managed to apprehend 0 percent of all those albanians who have attacked and threatened Serbs.
I just learned that two of my relatives had been charged by albanians in Zac for warcrimes. These two wouldn't hurt a fly. What probably happend is that local albanians themselves wrote a letter with the names of some local Serbs, hoping to scare them enough so they wouldn't return. I'm glad to see that they did return and that they are standing up to terrorism and criminals.
Brave "young europeans" at work again,but always from a great distance,or with the stones.
If stones or guns do not work,then they`ll try war crimes.
So disgustingly predictable..!
However, I am sorry to inform you that Serbs are capable of not only shooting at themselves BUT also killing themselves to alarm the world on what 'awful' state they live.
(PRN, 13 May 2010 16:00)
Of course, PRN. . .seeking the compassion of the global community is something that has helped the Serbs so much during the Balkan Wars.
Thank you world for:
* helping to convict Naser Oric for the REAL genocide of innocent Serbian villagers surrounding the armed enclave of Srebrenica.
* assisting the repatriation of over 250,000 Serbs from Krajina that were ethnically cleansed by Croatians from their ancestral homes
* helping over 500,000 refugees in Serbia find suitable accomodation or repatriation
*putting a stop to the wanton destruction of our Orthodox churches and monasteries by muslim hordes in Kosovo
* helping Kosovo Serbs attain even basic medical needs that were prevented from reaching hospitals due to Albanian authorities
Wait. . .you mean that this hasn't happened!?!
People like you are just vile excuses for human beings who project their own misgivings onto others.
"...was fired at "from a great distance",......One bullet hit a wall in one of the returnees' homes, reports said."
Uh huh? So now they don't have the guts to actually show their faces when they are stoning returnees, preferring to use snipers.
Clearly the supposedly disbanded KLA is behind this. I bet if they check the bullet they will find it was fired from a Barratt sniper rifle, the type that the US government turned a blind eye to being exported from the US to Kosovo...
Once again, Europe's Youngest Democrats go out of their way to welcome Serbs to the Happiest Place on Earth.
What Serbs failed to realize is that these Young Democrats were firing shots into the air! Was it a wedding? Well sort of. It's a happy marriage of two peoples joining together to form a flourishing multiethnic democracy.
roberto will bring cake and provide singalongs this evening.
In case, you really believe that the Serbs who killed some persons would dare to return to the multiethnic dream state of Kosovo instead of staying safe in Serbia? How stupid must they be to dare that...
What may eventually happen, Mirub, is that the Serbs will fire back - and then where will that lead? The K Albanians are taking the law into their own hands, and just by pointing a finger at someone does not make that person a war criminal - there are courts for that. If some of the returnees actually did commit a war crime, then an accusation should be made with the local international court and have the matter resolved in a civilized manner - am I wrong?
serbian in zac have killed lots of people.ou should ask how/in the most barbaric way.I am not related to these victims and i found it hard to accept them to come back in the crime scene,so imagine how their familie feel!
(lili, 13 May 2010 16:08)
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Lili, since you know this how about you tell us exactly who the criminals are.
We have Serbs returning to their homes and you say they committed the most horrible crimes but you cannot name any of them can you?
I would bet my bottom dollar none of the Albanians there can either so on what evidence do you make such accusations?
Do you practice your posts on anyone before you send them in?
However, I am sorry to inform you that Serbs are capable of not only shooting at themselves BUT also killing themselves to alarm the world on what 'awful' state they live.
(PRN, 13 May 2010 16:00)
Of course, PRN. . .seeking the compassion of the global community is something that has helped the Serbs so much during the Balkan Wars.
Thank you world for:
* helping to convict Naser Oric for the REAL genocide of innocent Serbian villagers surrounding the armed enclave of Srebrenica.
* assisting the repatriation of over 250,000 Serbs from Krajina that were ethnically cleansed by Croatians from their ancestral homes
* helping over 500,000 refugees in Serbia find suitable accomodation or repatriation
*putting a stop to the wanton destruction of our Orthodox churches and monasteries by muslim hordes in Kosovo
* helping Kosovo Serbs attain even basic medical needs that were prevented from reaching hospitals due to Albanian authorities
Wait. . .you mean that this hasn't happened!?!
People like you are just vile excuses for human beings who project their own misgivings onto others.
Do us all a favour and just leave. . .
(Nemanja, Connecticut, 13 May 2010 17:00)
Yeah but we haven't convicted Ratko Mladic of the REAL genocide that happened at Srebrenica.
Do us all a favor and leave?
Serbs continue to poison the Bosnian state and drag into into further political turmoil.
What we have learned over the last few decades in the Balkans is that you can't take land by force. It just doesn't work.
Kosovo is arguably and unfortunately almost Albanian.
You should really look at your own people before you start waving the finger around.
How come B92 isn't reporting on the Macedonian police killing Albanian arms smugglers from Kosovo? At least one or two of them was well known by the Serbian police for smuggling arms and other illegal activities.
mike -- do not EVER use my name in vain again. you've caused enough problems and hate over the years. get it?
roberto
frisco
(roberto, 14 May 2010 06:33)
I guess Roberto has a problem with cake? Maybe he does not like the tune "Kumbaya..."
Anyway, its funny he accuses Mike of spreading hate when he himself is really the guilty party here, all the while hiding beneath his supposedly multiethnic exterior.
roberto says..."do not EVER use my name in vain again. you've caused enough problems and hate over the years. get it?"
Problems and hate???....look who's talking!!
Our wanna-be frustrated journalist, questionable investigator, who has no first-hand proof, is telling others here what they can and cannot say?
Maybe you should get out of your middle school job, try and find a position with a credible newspaper as an investigative reporter and then maybe you'll feel less frustrated.
AS to great teachers were you tought by Kõváry Kavics?He is another big loss opf the last decade.It si so sad to see these last legends passing away.
(szemi, 14 May 2010 12:55)
Yes, he was the #2 teacher, #1 was Ms. G. T. We had pretty intensive course, so two math teachers took care about the class.
Regarding Joe I still have quite a bit of guilt sense because someone from Tbilisi I know did finally clear "our" Joe being NOT Joe Henel. I wrote about it a day or two ago, hope Joe did catch my writing. Just in case he missed - apologies again.
May his (mis)adventure with Hungarian citizenship come to happy end.
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To others: c'mon guys, Roberto just went postal like many of us, myself included and exploded on Mike. That happens. No "team attack" please. Wasn't visible that much - but in last few days I, too went postal and exploded just not as loudly. The reason was the destroyed transmitters.
What I said about Gjergj Basta is 100% true and I hold to it.
"You must have a very big family in Kosovo. I remember few months ago your brother-in-law was attacked and landed in the hospital."
Joe
They are all from my wifes side. The one attacked a few months ago is also on "the list" of suspected Serb warcriminals, him and one of his broters. Apparently some local albanians decided to make a list on their own. There are KFOR soilders coming by all the time to check up on them and make sure they are safe. If they were indeed suspected of something they would be arrested long ago. These relatives of mine had many albanian friends and had no reason to harm anyone. Since they have been able to rebuild their houses lately some albanians seem to think that's a bad idea. In the long run these Serbs in this area will leave. Its impossible to live in such a hostile albanians environment. So much for a democratic, multiethnic and prosperous Kosovo.
"roberto will bring cake and provide singalongs this evening." (Me)
"mike -- do not EVER use my name in vain again. you've caused enough problems and hate over the years. get it?"
(roberto )
-- No roberto, I really don't. Isn't that what you want to be known for - the one who teaches everyone tolerance and co-existence? A noble gesture no doubt, but isn't it kind of funny that the people you think need teaching the most are the ones most frequently targeted by the intolerance of those you call your "colleagues"? I mean the proof is in the pudding so I fail to see how a comment like mine gets you all riled up to the point where you lose your cool composure and act like a child picked on at the playground. Aren't you the one calling for peace and reconciliation while placing all blame on Serb radicals if they're not members of OTPOR or LDP? Whose the one using hatred here my friend? Perhaps if you get so offended you should refrain from writing here since everyone at one point or another gets pricked. Some handle the criticism better than others. You apparently can't. Maybe you should take the advice from other people here who suggested you form your own blog. Invite your "colleagues" over and you can all put the blame on someone else without the rest of us taking your name in vain.
And how have I "caused enough problems and hate over the years?" Care to elaborate? I may be more Serbopihilic than you, but I do believe I've been quite fair when it comes to objectively solving the Kosovo and Bosnia cases.
Why are Serbs living in tents? There homes have not been rebuilt? Did Belgrade kick these people out of Serbia? I feel sorry for these Serbs. Apperently nobody wants them around!
This is a big lie...
(xheffo)
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This is what KPS have stated.
What are you claiming; Are you trying to expose their incompetence? Are you realizing their uselessness there? or are you finally realizing that true enforcements need to be stationed in Kosovo. And you do know the options in that paradox; Continue UN installments according to Resolution 1244 or Serb Forces.
serbian in zac have killed lots of people.ou should ask how/in the most barbaric way.I am not related to these victims and i found it hard to accept them to come back in the crime scene,so imagine how their familie feel!
(lili, 13 May 2010 16:08)
A Hapsburg mercenary general Gjergj "Giorgio" Basta was one of the reasons Romanians and Serbs populated large parts of Transylvania and Vojvodina centuries ago.
He killed unimaginable number of Hungarians most sadistic and bestial way. His hatred towards Hungarians was legendary.
In some sense not the Ottoman rule per se, but the Hapsburg "liberation" of Hungary was the biggest disaster.
Here is the link to that "gentleman":
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giorgio_Basta
He is a very infamous personality among Romanians as well - but his main "activity" was killing as many Hungarians as possible. We can say, one of the most evil personalities in Hungarian history.
I think for the German version is the best, more detailed than Hungarian:
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giorgio_Basta
"Und bald verbreiteten sich sowohl Haiducken, als Wallonen auf den Dörfern, wo sie auf das Grausamste hauseten. Diejenigen, welche niedergehauen wurden, waren noch glücklich. Denn den Gefangenen dreheten sie so lang Stricke um ihre Köpfe, bis ihnen das Gehirn herausspritzte; oder sie folterten ihre Leiber mit glühenden Kohlen, um ihnen ihre verborgenen Güter zu entdecken. – Hier war kein Verschonen, keine Menschlichkeit! Männer, Frauen, Kinder, – selbst die im Mutterleibe, – wurden Opfer der erbitterten unmenschlichen Soldaten. Den Frauen schnitten sie die Brüste auf, und bestreuten sie mit Salze; jungen Mannspersonen wurden die Näbel aufgeschnitten, und an Bäume genagelt, dann diese Unglücklichen so lang um die Bäume getrieben, bis ihr ganzes Eigeweide herumgewickelt war, und sie tod hinfielen. – Viele flüchteten sich in die Gebirge, allein nur zu einem andern, und langsamern Tode. Hunger und Frost, die itzt außerordentlich waren, wurden ihre Mörder!"
(Sorry, no translation because you probably will throw up). If you unlucky to know German you for sure will. What was done was not even in the worst nightmare of Arkan's gang.
But since Joe knows German... he can understand it and get a big "shocker".
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Based on what is out there about "your" Gjergj Basta and your posting I have a question.
Should we meet the daily Pristina-Vienna bus which passes through outskirts of Budapest with heavy machine gun fire?
Because based on your logic and based on the "glorious" deeds of Gjergj Basta this would be well-deserved. Or not?
Now imagine how Hungarians should feel who know the history. Welcome to Hungary, girl. If you ride that bus - remember, you ride on blood shed by Basta. And unlike Tito's partizans in Vojvodina - not even a lame excuse does exist. Basta was a sadist like few.
@ Joe: yes... I know... you are probably surprised. But our history teacher was probably the best history teacher of the country who recently passed away, Dr. Gábor Gyapai. So I knew that all along. It wasn't in the history books till recent.
@ Joe: yes... I know... you are probably surprised. But our history teacher was probably the best history teacher of the country who recently passed away, Dr. Gábor Gyapai. So I knew that all along. It wasn't in the history books till recent.
(Ataman, 14 May 2010 04:32)
Indeed He and his professor Mályusz Elemér infected me with the love of history.I spent long ours in my childhood listening to their stories.But in fact it is Mályusz jr or better known as Kacor who is the albanian expert and could really enlighten some hungarians with superficial knowlage who these albanians really are(not only Basta)espescially those self declared honorary albanians who BTW admitadly never met an albanian.in their life.AS to great teachers were you tought by Kõváry Kavics?He is another big loss opf the last decade.It si so sad to see these last legends passing away.
If serbs don't like it there, they should pack up and leave. That's it!
(baker, 15 May 2010 01:31)
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Really!!
You think it's going to be that easy?
It's the Albanians who should've packed up and left if they didn't like their country Serbia. Why come from Albania is such great numbers if you don't like a country?
One reason only. Grow in numbers and take over. That's exactly the same tactic used by Muslims all around the world.
Roberto! Don't listen to these bad people and serbs. They shout "you are HOMOSEXUAL!" "you are JEW!" but that only because you speak truth about Kosova. You are hero for Kosova people!
(Arsim, 14 May 2010 14:22)
Since Robert is a teacher and his full name is known - he would be totally crazy if he would ever speak about own sexual preferences. Even in what supposed to be "liberal" SF area: openly speaking about such thing would be deadly for own carrier as a teacher.
Ataman,
First let me say that I have the utmost respect for you. You make every effort to be considerate of others.
That being said, I can't be silent when individuals repeatedly accuse others of behaviors they dislike and yet they themselves use time and again.
It is hypocritical.
It is roberto who wrote "..i think that my voice should carry at least as much weight as other journalists or investigators."
My comment is a response to the hypocrisy and condescending attitude that we read again and again.
However, I am sorry to inform you that Serbs are capable of not only shooting at themselves BUT also killing themselves to alarm the world on what 'awful' state they live.
(PRN)
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Such a desperate comment. A weak attempt to get a reaction.
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