Macedonian police kill four in shootout

when will albanians realize that 90`s are over, the friends of yesterday are enemies today..
Normal societies are looking to improve lives,they are looking for blood still.
Good job Macedonians..

Some fyrom police officers killed unarmed Albanians then planted weapons on them. Usual tactic of slav macedonians. That country is a mistake.
(Bekim, 12 May 2010 15:07)

I am almost lost for words at the total and utter bigotry that you display in this comment. Let us hope your views are in the extreme minority.

What a stupid comment, Bekim. Why can't you, and other albanians here, ever admit that their is a bad element amongst you? You guys really do have a disorder, and with comments like that, can never be taken seriously.

It looks like albanians are preparing to steal more land. Whereever there is large numbers of albanians right away there is trouble and problems. Good luck fyrom.

I agree, Bekim - you are 100% right.

Slavic-Macedonian terror paramilitary commando in service of MUP supporting the illegal Slavic-Skopje "government" met four unarmed Albanian tourists who did wear KLA uniform by a honest mistake. The unarmed Albanian tourists refused the unreasonable demand of wanna-be Milosheviqi-henchmen to show identity papers - and opened fire from heavy machine guns they found nearby just by coincidence.

The fallen heroes will be buried next to their heroic forefathers - innocent victims of Serbian terror:

http://tinyurl.com/2gduus

This is great news!

I am all for less criminals in this world.

:o)

Bekim is too darn funny!

He is also probably among the group of Albanians I overheard in Pristina who were talking about how undercover MUP destroyed all those EULEX cars, and not Kurti's clowns.

Denial will get you nowhere, buddy.

good news for the region and all (real) europeans ...

when will dacic clean up our dirt ???

Mr Rae, to be honest, I do not understand fully what you are trying to convey, and therefore I’m having difficulties to reply. Anyway, what I find offending in here is that anytime an Albanian is involved in some crime, the Serb camp is so prone to jumping into conclusion and turns everything possible against the whole Albanian nation. They have twisted and turned things upside down every time they could, only to present Albanians as evil as possible, regardless what the article was about. A criminal is a criminal; a murderer is a murderer; a drug dealer is a drug dealer… regardless of ethnicity, nationality or whatsoever. You can find many of them in all the Balkan countries and elsewhere in the world.
It is well known what sufferings and terror Albanians in general and in particular those living in Kosovo have experienced through the centuries from the Serbian terror. This is not some fairytale how Ataman and others in here try to present. A recent discovered mass grave is one of the many evidences of this. I’ll just leave it with this, since I already understand that it is really difficult for Ataman and some others to see things out of the “Albanian phobia” box of theirs.

Ataman, I think you are being pathetic. Please stop messing things all up, since I'm sure you have all the necessary information to distinguish the former with the recent.

Some fyrom police officers killed unarmed Albanians then planted weapons on them. Usual tactic of slav macedonians. That country is a mistake.

B92 wont post my post again, and i want to know why. but i am gona write it anyway.

I will never understand how the world was so fooled in the balkans...Yugoslavia was ripped apart by croats, slovenians and muslims and everyone blamed the one person in yugo that was not a nationalist milosevic. he was a communist from montenegro there is a big difference! i want one croatian or albanian or muslim to show me proof of one speech that milosevic made that was anti anyone or for a greater serbia. Your myth of greater serbia is now showing its truth in the albanians and the croats wanted the same in WWII and the muslims want it everywhere in the world. Your myth of a greater serbia was crashed down like lighting just like the weapons of mass destruction in iraq both lies and both have no bearing on the truth and we are working hard against even Serbs themselves like B92 and Natasha kandic and these people who when asked about the close to 1 million refugees have no answer they just say slobodan milosevic was the devil.

Let us not forget that there are Albanians in the Macedonian police who consider themselves Macedonian and would have no problem killing other Albanians for the sake of their homeland, which is slavic by majority. I am glad that some Albanians see that they can't take anything away from us, they just have to live with us or they can go die like these four idiots.

Wannabe terrorists like these guys don't even have support from Albania or Kosovo, as you can see from this article, the Kosovo authorities labeled the Macedonian-Albanians as "Macedonians". They don't want to have anything to do with these guys.

I just hope that soon all these guys come out and try to start something so that they all die, and then the Macedonian Slavs, Albanian, Vlahs etc can live in peace, cause I'm tired of worrying about my cousins who live in Albanian-Majority cities.

It is well known what sufferings and terror Albanians in general and in particular those living in Kosovo have experienced through the centuries from the Serbian terror.
(pz, 12 May 2010 22:37)

Just the opposite: Slavs all over Balkans and even Hungarians in Erdély/Transylvania suffered from terror with involvement of certain Albanians. Just google on "Sinan Pasha" and "General Basta".

And some of your kin are even proud to be the worst bandits on Planet Earth.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BoG5ecO60lY

Beautiful songs, largely correct assessment - but you can't have it both: you can't be victims of Slavic terror and be the best, most feared warriors and always-winning gangsters at the same time!

---

This is not some fairytale how Ataman and others in here try to present.
(pz, 12 May 2010 22:37)

The terror deeds with Albanian involvement aren't fairy tales as proven above. Your kin are proud of being the best bandits. Fine. Than don't play the "victim" game. You plant a wind - you will harvest a hurricane.

And BTW: SS Skenderbeu is also a fact. And I am the last one who has any "Albano phobia". Your kin planted an other set of problems recently with these cellular phone things. We consider it a barbaric act in the worst tradition of Sinan Pasha, General Giorgio Basta and SS Skenderbeg. Enough said.

pz,
As I've understood your retort to Attaman you seen to be offended by his connection of recent activities by Albanians to the WWII Scanderbeg division. I can understand that sentiment.
I now ask how you feel one can connect the current actions of, let's say the Belgrade government with those of Milosevic.
From my perspective both comparisons are those of current to past, where current is no longer connected to past, while past was very bad (to say it lightly).
I'm sure that those Serbian citizens who have taken Serbia from those evil days to a higher ground are just as offended as are those Albanians who too have accepted their evil pasts and tried to move forward peacefully.

karlsDad

Honestlly I do not agree with Bekim in this,but myself and B92 agreed Bekim has right to comment whether you like it or not.
There's one thing myself and B92 we do not have the same opinion about,and that is your comment:You insult us,and B92 let it go,

Shame buddy.

Ataman, there is really no need for me to Google anything to find evidence of terror exercised on Albanians, I have experienced it first hand. Another thing, since you are so good in searching internet, try searching something the opposite and you’ll be amazed of what you’ll find out ( I'm sure you have done it already, but of course those are Albanian fairytales and don't leave any impression on you).

As I have already stated in my previous post, an Albanian criminal, a bandit or call it as it pleases you, is no better nor worse than a Serb, Hungarian, American, etc. criminal/bandit. But comparing and labelling a many generations’ (my kin) fight for their rights, freedom and escape from the occupiers’ terror to some ordinary criminals is really out of any logical context.

Finally, if you have no “Albano phobia” then I invite to come to Kosovo and go talk to ordinary people in the villages (since they have experienced the worse) and maybe you’ll be able to get a better picture of what I’m saying.

Finally, if you have no “Albano phobia” then I invite to come to Kosovo and go talk to ordinary people in the villages
(pz, 13 May 2010 15:24)

It did happen on several occasions. This is why I am saying, I have no “Albano phobia”. In way to many cases the criticism towards what is today Pristina was far greater than towards what is today Belgrade.

Of course I have pictures of these people. I am afraid to name them openly for a very good reason. This is why I would like if Roberto is with me during these meetings. He would see a very different picture.

We did even experience REAL Albanian humor - a thing someone who reads these postings would think does not exist.

And people we met so far have nothing in common with the trolls visiting this web site.

pz,
i'm sorry that i may have been long winded and confusing with my statement.
as an outsider, free from bias i have found substantial evidence to support the case that historically both serbs and albanians were bad to each other. the point i was trying to make is that it is utterly unfair to paint one side with a brush of evil while ignoring the other side.
your apparent lack of belief, or simple denial of historical (both recent and old) cases of mass albanian violence targeted towards the serbian peoples makes it hard for someone like myself to either sympathize or empathize with your stance. it will take a fundamental shift in your mindset, and those of serb and albanian deniers of history alike to rectify the problems in the balkans. both or all sides must come to terms with the evils that they have inflicted upon their neighbors, be they serbs, albanians, bosniaks, croatians, greeks, bulgarians, hungarians or turks.
there is sparsely found a multi-generational gap where there wasn't some form of violent bloodshed in the balkan peninsula where one ethnicity targeted another.
i truly truly wish for the future to be bright, but if all the peoples of the balkans contain a substantial percentage of persons like yourself, namely deniers of established facts, then i can only anticipate another future outbreak of violence.

Some fyrom police officers killed unarmed Albanians then planted weapons on them. Usual tactic of slav macedonians. That country is a mistake.

I agree, Bekim - you are 100% right.

Slavic-Macedonian terror paramilitary commando in service of MUP supporting the illegal Slavic-Skopje "government" met four unarmed Albanian tourists who did wear KLA uniform by a honest mistake. The unarmed Albanian tourists refused the unreasonable demand of wanna-be Milosheviqi-henchmen to show identity papers - and opened fire from heavy machine guns they found nearby just by coincidence.

The fallen heroes will be buried next to their heroic forefathers - innocent victims of Serbian terror:

http://tinyurl.com/2gduus

good news for the region and all (real) europeans ...

when will dacic clean up our dirt ???

It looks like albanians are preparing to steal more land. Whereever there is large numbers of albanians right away there is trouble and problems. Good luck fyrom.

when will albanians realize that 90`s are over, the friends of yesterday are enemies today..
Normal societies are looking to improve lives,they are looking for blood still.
Good job Macedonians..

Bekim is too darn funny!

He is also probably among the group of Albanians I overheard in Pristina who were talking about how undercover MUP destroyed all those EULEX cars, and not Kurti's clowns.

Denial will get you nowhere, buddy.

Some fyrom police officers killed unarmed Albanians then planted weapons on them. Usual tactic of slav macedonians. That country is a mistake.
(Bekim, 12 May 2010 15:07)

I am almost lost for words at the total and utter bigotry that you display in this comment. Let us hope your views are in the extreme minority.

pz,
As I've understood your retort to Attaman you seen to be offended by his connection of recent activities by Albanians to the WWII Scanderbeg division. I can understand that sentiment.
I now ask how you feel one can connect the current actions of, let's say the Belgrade government with those of Milosevic.
From my perspective both comparisons are those of current to past, where current is no longer connected to past, while past was very bad (to say it lightly).
I'm sure that those Serbian citizens who have taken Serbia from those evil days to a higher ground are just as offended as are those Albanians who too have accepted their evil pasts and tried to move forward peacefully.

Mr Rae, to be honest, I do not understand fully what you are trying to convey, and therefore I’m having difficulties to reply. Anyway, what I find offending in here is that anytime an Albanian is involved in some crime, the Serb camp is so prone to jumping into conclusion and turns everything possible against the whole Albanian nation. They have twisted and turned things upside down every time they could, only to present Albanians as evil as possible, regardless what the article was about. A criminal is a criminal; a murderer is a murderer; a drug dealer is a drug dealer… regardless of ethnicity, nationality or whatsoever. You can find many of them in all the Balkan countries and elsewhere in the world.
It is well known what sufferings and terror Albanians in general and in particular those living in Kosovo have experienced through the centuries from the Serbian terror. This is not some fairytale how Ataman and others in here try to present. A recent discovered mass grave is one of the many evidences of this. I’ll just leave it with this, since I already understand that it is really difficult for Ataman and some others to see things out of the “Albanian phobia” box of theirs.

Ataman, I think you are being pathetic. Please stop messing things all up, since I'm sure you have all the necessary information to distinguish the former with the recent.

This is great news!

I am all for less criminals in this world.

:o)

What a stupid comment, Bekim. Why can't you, and other albanians here, ever admit that their is a bad element amongst you? You guys really do have a disorder, and with comments like that, can never be taken seriously.

Let us not forget that there are Albanians in the Macedonian police who consider themselves Macedonian and would have no problem killing other Albanians for the sake of their homeland, which is slavic by majority. I am glad that some Albanians see that they can't take anything away from us, they just have to live with us or they can go die like these four idiots.

Wannabe terrorists like these guys don't even have support from Albania or Kosovo, as you can see from this article, the Kosovo authorities labeled the Macedonian-Albanians as "Macedonians". They don't want to have anything to do with these guys.

I just hope that soon all these guys come out and try to start something so that they all die, and then the Macedonian Slavs, Albanian, Vlahs etc can live in peace, cause I'm tired of worrying about my cousins who live in Albanian-Majority cities.

It is well known what sufferings and terror Albanians in general and in particular those living in Kosovo have experienced through the centuries from the Serbian terror.
(pz, 12 May 2010 22:37)

Just the opposite: Slavs all over Balkans and even Hungarians in Erdély/Transylvania suffered from terror with involvement of certain Albanians. Just google on "Sinan Pasha" and "General Basta".

And some of your kin are even proud to be the worst bandits on Planet Earth.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BoG5ecO60lY

Beautiful songs, largely correct assessment - but you can't have it both: you can't be victims of Slavic terror and be the best, most feared warriors and always-winning gangsters at the same time!

---

This is not some fairytale how Ataman and others in here try to present.
(pz, 12 May 2010 22:37)

The terror deeds with Albanian involvement aren't fairy tales as proven above. Your kin are proud of being the best bandits. Fine. Than don't play the "victim" game. You plant a wind - you will harvest a hurricane.

And BTW: SS Skenderbeu is also a fact. And I am the last one who has any "Albano phobia". Your kin planted an other set of problems recently with these cellular phone things. We consider it a barbaric act in the worst tradition of Sinan Pasha, General Giorgio Basta and SS Skenderbeg. Enough said.

karlsDad

Honestlly I do not agree with Bekim in this,but myself and B92 agreed Bekim has right to comment whether you like it or not.
There's one thing myself and B92 we do not have the same opinion about,and that is your comment:You insult us,and B92 let it go,

Shame buddy.

B92 wont post my post again, and i want to know why. but i am gona write it anyway.

I will never understand how the world was so fooled in the balkans...Yugoslavia was ripped apart by croats, slovenians and muslims and everyone blamed the one person in yugo that was not a nationalist milosevic. he was a communist from montenegro there is a big difference! i want one croatian or albanian or muslim to show me proof of one speech that milosevic made that was anti anyone or for a greater serbia. Your myth of greater serbia is now showing its truth in the albanians and the croats wanted the same in WWII and the muslims want it everywhere in the world. Your myth of a greater serbia was crashed down like lighting just like the weapons of mass destruction in iraq both lies and both have no bearing on the truth and we are working hard against even Serbs themselves like B92 and Natasha kandic and these people who when asked about the close to 1 million refugees have no answer they just say slobodan milosevic was the devil.

Ataman, there is really no need for me to Google anything to find evidence of terror exercised on Albanians, I have experienced it first hand. Another thing, since you are so good in searching internet, try searching something the opposite and you’ll be amazed of what you’ll find out ( I'm sure you have done it already, but of course those are Albanian fairytales and don't leave any impression on you).

As I have already stated in my previous post, an Albanian criminal, a bandit or call it as it pleases you, is no better nor worse than a Serb, Hungarian, American, etc. criminal/bandit. But comparing and labelling a many generations’ (my kin) fight for their rights, freedom and escape from the occupiers’ terror to some ordinary criminals is really out of any logical context.

Finally, if you have no “Albano phobia” then I invite to come to Kosovo and go talk to ordinary people in the villages (since they have experienced the worse) and maybe you’ll be able to get a better picture of what I’m saying.

Finally, if you have no “Albano phobia” then I invite to come to Kosovo and go talk to ordinary people in the villages
(pz, 13 May 2010 15:24)

It did happen on several occasions. This is why I am saying, I have no “Albano phobia”. In way to many cases the criticism towards what is today Pristina was far greater than towards what is today Belgrade.

Of course I have pictures of these people. I am afraid to name them openly for a very good reason. This is why I would like if Roberto is with me during these meetings. He would see a very different picture.

We did even experience REAL Albanian humor - a thing someone who reads these postings would think does not exist.

And people we met so far have nothing in common with the trolls visiting this web site.

pz,
i'm sorry that i may have been long winded and confusing with my statement.
as an outsider, free from bias i have found substantial evidence to support the case that historically both serbs and albanians were bad to each other. the point i was trying to make is that it is utterly unfair to paint one side with a brush of evil while ignoring the other side.
your apparent lack of belief, or simple denial of historical (both recent and old) cases of mass albanian violence targeted towards the serbian peoples makes it hard for someone like myself to either sympathize or empathize with your stance. it will take a fundamental shift in your mindset, and those of serb and albanian deniers of history alike to rectify the problems in the balkans. both or all sides must come to terms with the evils that they have inflicted upon their neighbors, be they serbs, albanians, bosniaks, croatians, greeks, bulgarians, hungarians or turks.
there is sparsely found a multi-generational gap where there wasn't some form of violent bloodshed in the balkan peninsula where one ethnicity targeted another.
i truly truly wish for the future to be bright, but if all the peoples of the balkans contain a substantial percentage of persons like yourself, namely deniers of established facts, then i can only anticipate another future outbreak of violence.