Mass grave investigated near Raška

When you dig in Serbia chances of striking gold are null and striking mass graves are 99%

Vekarić also said that this is "yet another proof that Serbia wishes to use its democratic capacities to investigate crimes regardless of who committed them."
First you murder them, then you abuse them to promote Serbias Democracy. Are you happy about your "proof"?
Shame on you!

Here is our ICJ case Serbia!

Do you really think you can win when you still have mass graves in your own territory? Only countries that are as deluded and as ignorant to human rights as you can and will support you.

No person in their right mind will put burocractic procedures and UN resolutions before the RIGHT of a PERSON to LIVE.

*Mikael C,

Your comment really shows the false story that Serbians are taught.

First, my mothers uncle was a partisan who was killed in Bar Montenegro where thousands of Albanian fighters were massacred by Serbs after they had fought together. It was as usual: after we fought together, then you fought us. 2). My mother's family comes from Nis area that was ethnically cleansed in late 19'th century. 3) Half of my Dad's family lives in Turkey, as result of ethnic cleansing between two World Wars. Of course, you can not know these things because we all know what history you've been learning. Think about '99 ethnic cleansing, see it in the above perspective!

In regard to why Europe wants to isolate us. You are absolutely right, we are also a dark society. But, be fully convinced that a society that was allowed to open its University only in 1968 and then deprived of it and with huge economic and political discrimination, always makes better choices: has civilized democratic friends, after the War it did not supported KLA in the elections and is very positive towards local Serbs who still vote for Vojislav Seselj.

Dear friend, you can still believe your story...but trust your eyes. Are you not ashamed that in 2010 there is a nation in Europe that opens a mass grave?

Bye our dear friend...

President Boris Tadić sent a telegram of condolences to his Russian counterpart Dmitry Medvedev after a deadly explosion in the Raspadskaya mine.
Please accept the deepest condolences in the name of the entire Serbian people and in my name.
We most sincerely sympathize with the families of the victims and the Russian people,” Tadić wrote, his cabinet announced today in Belgrade. 
 
Can Tadic also find 2 min of his time to send condolences to the Albanian Families of those 250 Albanians killed by his “prior cabinet?”
 

Someone should inform Mr. Tadic and Mr. Jeremic because they don't know anything about it.

Maybe they should stand before this pictures when they claim both Europe and Kosovo.

As posted before, we (Albanians) should THANKS THEM FOR NOT EATING THE BODIES AND FOR THAT THEY SHOULD PRAISED BY

1 - BECOMING EU MEMBERS AS "IRREFUTABLY" THEY SHARE SAME EUROPEAN VALUES!!!

2 - THEY SHOULD KEEP CONTROL OVER KOSOVO BECAUSE "IRREFUTABLY" THEY CAN OFFER THE BEST PROSPEROUS FUTURE FOR KOSOVARS.

How is it possible that Serbia, whose military committed this crime, was not able to locate a mass grave of this magnitude for 11 years but police ( EULEX) were?

Biganon, you can thank the war crime prosecutor all you want, but the sad truth is they didn't find this mass grave until now because they weren't looking for it. If you honest, you would says the Serbian War prosecutor should be ashamed of itself and instead you should thanks EULEX.

This is welcome, as it will bring some kind of peace to families of those dead found in graves. I also completely support the prosecution of anybody involved in this, it is shameful beyond belief. I can only imagine that the organiser(s) of these mass graves were completely lacking in any kind of morality.

But this is also another sign that the Serbian war crimes prosecutor's office is capable of doing its job, regardless of the ethnic group of victims.

Oso I think its insulting to the dead to make a joke about such a serious topic.

@Mike C

'I wonder when albanians will look for mass graves of Serbs butchered by albanians?'

How dare you make a comment like that? There are no hidden Serbian bodies in Kosova and there were most certainly no 'organ' experiments in Albania. This mass grave shows the extend of Serbian crimes committed against Albanians and add more ammunation to Kosova's independence strive.

B92, the "independent Belgrade" media, why you are hiding this news?...You know what, there is only some analyst missing here to say "You see, Albanians killed them and buried them here in Serbia".
You have to tell your nation that it is SERBIA that caused all these tragedies in Balkans and, what is unfortunate, they do not yet take responsibility for what they have done. You Serbs should finally know that there is just one life - so please let us live it! You are not brave people, because you are afraid to recognize what you have done and who you are. You live in an unrealistic virtual reality created by schizophrenic irresponsible poets and priests...You should be shamed! You are the only European nation to be bombed by an alliance of civilized democracies and you still, tragically, live in that irresponsible reality!!!

In this sad and tragic story there is some good news,
the remains of our loved ones will be re-burried in the presence of their families!

Now the decent thing to do will be an apology from the people who did this unhuman act!
Will that happened,NEVER!!!

I have tried all my time to be who I am,a moderate Albanian,but when it comes to this situations,there is no excuses!!!

There is no if or but,very simple an APOLOGY NEEDED URGENTLY!

May God rest their souls in peace!

May god’s mercy be upon them.
The manner in which they died must have been horrible.
The way they there treated after death abhorrent.
Never again will Albanians be in a defenceless like these poor souls were.

Don't come and tell me this is the Serbian governmental fault!This is the whole Serbian nation fault.
As a Kosovo citizen ,as A human being i express my deepest condolences to their family. May their soul rest in peace.
Merci a Dieu pour le miracle

Come on people its not fair to make political points on somebody elses human tragedy...
(bganon, 10 May 2010 13:48)

You are the one who is politicizing this by congregating Serbia for doing this. According to you, we should all pat Serbia on the back for not finding this mass grave committed by its own forces. Again, EULEX found it & Serbia had no choice but to publicize it- EULEX would have publicized it anyway.

Ask yourself, Do we ever congratulate a murder who leads us to the body of the victim?

At least Belgrade is upfront about its past misdeeds and willingness to cooperate with the bereaved, the same however cant be said for the Albanians.

This mass grave of Kosovo Albanians only cements the fact that Kosovo will never be part of Serbia again. The Kosovo Albanians have suffered enough under the brutal oppression of the Serbian state and they are not going to willingly be under Belgrade's thumb ever again. One just hopes that the Serbians finally accept the truth of the crimes they committed and realize that they have themselves forfeited any right to rule over Kosovo and the Kosovo Albanians.

"Why should we feel remorse if we don't know who was buried there? If they were KLA terrorists brought to that location then I have no remorse. If they were innocent civilians then of course I do."

According to you Zorane we Albanians do not need to have any remorse at all for the missing Serbs as almost 100% of all grown male Serbs in Kosova were part of the paramilitary.In my town(Vushtrri/Vucitrn)are more than one thousand young men still missing since 22 may 1999(many of them i had known in person).May god ease pain and agony to all those who are still missing their loved ones.

I wonder when albanians will look for mass graves of Serbs butchered by albanians?

Why Serbs have been waiting so long to uncover this mass-grave??? Why they didn't done that before??? 10 yrs wasn't enough to find them???

Everything for Serb Nationalists seems to be a trade. Now they are giving the bodies of their victims in order to show that they are flexible and cooperating. For them this is a good excuse to keep running on the old paths.

There is only one way they can face honestly this situation,

1 - An ceremonial honest public excuse.
2 - Recognition of independence and showing the willingness to build rightful relationship.
3 - To refund the war damages.

If such steps are not taken everything else is just a mise en scène.

I wonder when albanians will look for mass graves of Serbs butchered by albanians?
(Mikael C, 10 May 2010 13:48)
Any possiblility that some of these 500 missing could actually be persons who fled because they could not stomach operations such as the creation of mass graves, and cannot return to a still nationalist Serbia.
To you I am sure they would be called "deserters" to me I would call them "Men of Honor"

Niall O'Doherty wrote: "At least Belgrade is upfront about its past misdeeds and willingness to cooperate with the bereaved"
Are you saying that Belgrade "invested" in 1998-99 when killed Albanian civilians, so in future (actually) with these dead bodies will blackmail EU accession!?

Serbia should be congratulated for finding this shocking mass grave. However, it is legitimate to ask what has been happening for the last 9 years. Over 1000 bodies were found in a number of sites, then the Serbian government - led by Zoran Djindjic by the way, who has wrongly achieved semi-mythical status - called off the continued search. It was too embarassing, especially the way the graves tended to turn up in places like police compounds.

Mike says noone denies the crimes committed by the Milosevic regime. Mike some people on this site do, regularly. But more to the point, was it just Milosevic? Didn't involve a whole lot of military and police personnel to kill, transport and hide the victims? Milosevic is dead, but where are all these heroes who know full well where these sites are, have said nothing for a decade and are probably still stuffing the Serbian state apparatus at various levels?

Nevertheless, again the current government should be congratulated. If it spooks people on this list like Dragan into calling this government "yellow" or whatever, then that proves they are doing something good.

And the comments that various people in Pristina must also know about the missing Serbs are also valid and to the point.

What bothers me the most is that not even one pro Serb camper showed even the least remorse for the dead. Actually, I feel indefference and ignorance.
How am I supposse to feel as an European about the prospect of this region?

Niall O'Doherty wrote: "At least Belgrade is upfront about its past misdeeds and willingness to cooperate with the bereaved"
Are you saying that Belgrade "invested" in 1998-99 when killed Albanian civilians, so in future (actually) with these dead bodies will blackmail EU accession!?

BI also completely support the prosecution of anybody involved in this, it is shameful beyond belief. I can only imagine that the organiser(s) of these mass graves were completely lacking in any kind of morality.
(bganon, 10 May 2010 12:20)
Your state and tens of thousands of armed minions you yourself have been been supporting for years ion every website…you are supporting prosecution of yourself!

But this is also another sign that the Serbian war crimes prosecutor's office is capable of doing its job, regardless of the ethnic group of victims.
(bganon, 10 May 2010 12:20)

Your prosecutor has only been spewing propaganda on the yellow house, which has been debunked by EULEX, the same who has brought thus mass grave in light…
First you kill people and then you claim to be a modern and democratic nation for uncovering them after having denied them for a decade...What utter disgust…
Thanks to the EULEX for refreshing to the world the memory of Serbian brutality as the ICJ prepares to declare its verdict.

Come on people its not fair to make political points on somebody elses human tragedy...
(bganon, 10 May 2010 13:48)
Bganon you wrote this less than 2 hours after you wrote
But this is also another sign that the Serbian war crimes prosecutor's office is capable of doing its job, regardless of the ethnic group of victims.
Ironic don't you think, considering that a statement that EULEX discovered a mass grave and we will respond since the "cat is out of the bag" is very much trying to make political points out of someone elses tragedy.

Zoran wrote:

Crucial information seems to be missing. Who are these 250 ethnic Albanians? Were they civilians or terrorists We all know how Račak was staged so why leave the bodies lying around and allowing western propagandists to abuse the situation? More information is needed.
(Zoran, 10 May 2010 14:43)

Zoran, what sense has your comment? Who better than Serbs knows that? The victims are Albanians. If they where terrorists, what are the evidences of their terrorist acts? Who was the court to decide for this mass-killings?

Where are the rest of 1700+ bodies requested for years from their families? Those where lost in a territory controlled by serbs. How could dare those people enter in this territory?

The crucial element in all this story is,

Why the "pro-western" government of Serbia is keeping hidden war crimes and war criminals? Instead to ask an honest sorry and to show they are ashamed for the horrible crimes done by their coo-nationals, why government of Serbia is trying to make credits with the bodies of victims.

Crucial is that all Serbian nationalism, responsible for committing crimes, hiding them yesterday and shamefully trying to make credits with them today, should be before the court. It would be a genuine case that whole your political class to be presented before the ICJ to answer for this crimes.

Bganon,

Your feelings are quite understandable, but you have to admit, stories like these always fuel politics and given that 90% of the comments readers post on this website are political in nature, it is only to be expected that this particular story would yield polarized reactions.

However, I do find it a bit encouraging that the pro-Serb response is so far a bit subdued. I'm hopeful that this is a subtle indication that Serbs have indeed made progress in coming to terms with their violent past.

Let us hope that all the rest of the warring factions of ex-Yu could one day do the same, as appropriate (I personally believe that on balance, some are more culpable than others) and that everyone would finally be able to move on and forgive the awful misdeeds of the recent era.

Today it is Serbia's turn to take a long hard look in the mirror.

May these Albanian victims rest in peace and may there be healing and justice for their loved ones.

I think Vlastimir Djordjevic just got a little less comfortable.

And why is it that Pristina's Albanians have not found one missing Serb body, Update? Is it maybe because they aren't looking, or could care less? Or maybe it may make them and their disgusting KLA look bad? Before a single missing Serb body is located, you, and other Albaniaks here, have no right to say anything.

Louie, I’m really sorry for what your people had to endure, no one should suffer that sort of fate.
(Matthew, 10 May 2010 17:53)

Thank You Matthew for understanding the situation with our missing family members since 1999!

In every war or conflict there were acts which we don't aprove,I'm sorry as well for all the wrong doings from our side!
It is the time to try and heal the wound and I was suggesting an Apology from Serbian Government will start a new era where we could seat on the table and discuss other issues!

Kosova/o and Serbia will have to learn that if we can't live together then at least we have to try to live in PEACE!

What did I say yesterday?

we believe in God's justice!
Serbia choses its satanic road and still is proud of it!
But these souls are in your place to remind you how evil is in your country!
Pray God to reward you as you desserve.

Now it is for the names of all the commanders in the area to be released and for them to account for their actions. These bodies were hidden to disguise a criminal act; we therefore look forward to some convictions following this discovery. I am sure that it is not pleasurable to hear of the bad actions of fellow country men - but there is also a joy when they are properly convicted of their crimes.

All countries have criminals, and all countries have jails. Most people are law abiding and actively WANT criminals convicted and jailed. Also, the majority of people are intelligent enough to be able to pursue their politics without having to support criminals.

I would like to put in a word for decent people on all sides - there are many people who are not bad and do not deserve to be categorized with the crooks and the murderers. Let me assure you, that in Serbia, during the troubles, there were many Serbs who were disgusted by the actions of the paramilitaries, the mafiosi and the thugs. There are people with 'heart'. People who are just as horrified which ever side commits or provokes atrocities. People who do empathize with the pain of Albanians suffering bereavement. My sympathy is reserved for the innocent victims from all sides.

It is customary for postings to use racist over generalization about the other ethnic group ('all Serbs/ Albanians/ Bosnians/ Croats/ Yanks are bad' delete as necessary). However, I defend the vast majority of people (on all sides) who most definitely do not want the criminals to escape and go unpunished and who hate that these disgusting acts have happened.

this is the truth -- just yesterday i said again that acc. to our interviews, we believe that there are more mass graves of albanians in serbia. now this. how many times we are laughed at, "edited", lied about, belittled... not that i want to see yet more mass graves, but if they're there stop covering them up!!!

rip to all of the victims, and all such victims. may you all rest in peace, somehow.

roberto frisco

Crucial information seems to be missing. Who are these 250 ethnic Albanians? Were they civilians or terrorists We all know how Račak was staged so why leave the bodies lying around and allowing western propagandists to abuse the situation? More information is needed.

Louie, I’m really sorry for what your people had to endure, no one should suffer that sort of fate.
(Matthew, 10 May 2010)

Matthew thank you. Your apology seems very sincere. You do have my respect for that.

This is a really good thing, we’re one step closer to closure for the families who are still missing their loved ones. I have friends from Bosnia whose close family are still missing from the war and it’s a terrible agony to live with a daily basis. We Serbs have some missing in Kosovo too, its my hope that somehow these revelations will help others on all sides to come forward with information (WWII even).

Louie, I’m really sorry for what your people had to endure, no one should suffer that sort of fate.

How dare you make a statement like that, kola? Where are the missing Serbian bodies then? Did these poor people lose their way, and couldn't find their way home again? As for the organ harvesting, the Serbian people did not make this up, it was an ex-Hague prosecutor that said this took place, remember? Until you, and other albanians, start to show respect for all the victims in the Kosovo conflict, and not just for your own, their will be no healing for anyone. An Albanian victim, is no different from any other victim. A life is a life. Understand?

now i have a bit more time:

This is really a day of great sadness. i'm not adding to the SCREAming -- esp not today, it is so inappropriate.

there have been already about 1,000 bodies of ethnic albanians found inside serbia. 1,000 people, 1,000 human beings. not only tortured and killed because of ETHnicity alone, but then hidden away, just like happened so many times in bosnia. secondary graves, tertiary graves. almost all full of bosniaks, but finally of people. get it? of people, of civilians, murdered. why hide them if they were soldiers? they were civilians, and after the bloodlust was carried out, the evidence had to be hidden, and so it was, so it is.

when we saw biserko, and spoke and listened to her wisdom, i interrupted: where are the missing albanians?? where are they? she said: "we are sleeping over them." and so it goes. of course, she spoke the truth.

when we went to see azem vlasi, i asked: where are all of the albanian missing from the war?? it was then he told us about a conversation w/ a well known sebian politician, who let him know that there were, of course, more mass graves inside serbia proper, and that djindjic had at one point put a halt to the opening/ exhumations of further mass graves, for the time being... who knows when or if that search would have continued. but we all know what happened to him.

yesterday when "A" wrote a comment about mass graves of albanians, i cited it, and commented about it, again about info on mass graves, and how no one seemed concerned incl the media. my comment "disappeared." can you imagine the irony in having that happen, then waking up to all of this?

as for some of the nastier comments here today, i just have to overlook them, my sanity is more impt than they are. i hope it teaches us some lessons but i really doubt it, based on what i am seeing.

and yes, at the VERY least, representatives of the bld regime MUST publicly acknowledge this horror and others related to it, and make at least an attempt at an apology. how they can face themselves knowing all of this, harboring mladic, pouring forth nationalist propaganda... there has got to be a change.

i do understand that people of all nationalities suffered in these miserable wars, including serbs. i have never denied it -- why would i? and have always said that ALL serious war crimes investigations must go forward.

but what i have read here, since del ponte -- about "organ allegations" has been so obscene and so evil -- there are no words to describe such a "discussion."

in as much as i have a hell of a lot to say, at the same time, we need to hold a moment of silence, in some token of respect. and esp for the family and loved ones of these people.

roberto
frisco

Certainly illegal but no less LEGITIMATE, international right isn't smth static, it evolves within good and bad events. I wouldn't be surprised if ICJ dishes out some new doctrine at the light of what happened in our countries the past decade. They just have to find the courage to do it.

When a country uses its power to deportate and physically eliminate its administrates, it's totally legitimate to cut the social contract these administrates have been enjoying till then with the ruling entity.

My goodness, look at how quickly this crime against humanity is turned into political points here. No one denies the crimes committed by the Milosevic regime, and the current government in Belgrade, as bganon simply writes, is making every attempt at uncovering the crimes committed in Serbia's name in the past. While I sincerely hope this may bring some form of closure to those families who are still searching for missing relatives, I daresay Pristina's leadership would be this forthcoming in admitting crimes committed in the name of Albanians - at least not under this current leadership.

I work with a Serbian girl here in Canada, and as time has passed, we have learned that we actually have alot more in common as people than differences. This has led me to believe that all we really need is to know one another. Instead of going with the rest of the crowd, pull back and think, we are all humans. Once you remove ones nationality, he/she is just a human and often hard to tell whether they are Serbs or Albanians. In short, we must stop this cycle of violence and faciliate dialogue and understanding. The rest of Europe is poking fun at us, because they have moved on from such behaviours 65 years ago.

adrian k.

Is albanian blood thicker then the one of serbs? Croats and albanians are the biggest hypocrites and serbs should never appologize for anything until you show the way. How many serbs were killed by nazi croats and albanians during WW2? Have you ever appologized for that? You want serbs to appologize to albanians but you refuse to accept crimes against serbs. That is political. You can't have your independece without having an evil Serbia?
The serbs are the biggest victims in balkan history and more serbs have died compared to both croats and albanians combined but I have yet to hear an appology from either croats, bosnjaks or albanians but you want serbs to bow and appologize? Serbia is dealing with its past, are the albanians?
How many suspected serb warcriminals have Serbia convicted and how many has albnaian run Kosovo? Serbia is and has allways been the most tollerant country in the Balkans. I dare to say that your society is the most racist and backward in the world. Deal with your own dark past and you might get some respect. There is a reason Europe want's you isolated.

bganon, I really want to believe that your statements are sincere. They are other people in Serbia, kind of Sonia Biserko, who believe that the truth will set our peoples free and will bring justice.

I know that they are many Serbian families claiming for their missing members since the Kosova war, mainly JNA soldiers sent over there. In this case too should be a through fully investigation but up to now there is not any clear evidence about their fate.

What is concerning me is that the Serbian government is quite forced to uncover (not discover) this site. On the other side I believe that it knows much more than it claims to know.

You and other Serbian citizens don't have to apologise for those crimes. You didn't commit any of them and you are equally as free as I am on this regard. On the other side, the Serbian President, as the representative of its nation’s conscience, should ask that for that. I would prefer a sincere apology from Serbian Orthodox Church too as it is the initiator of such blind nationalism who brought such dramatic outcome for the whole region not excluding Serbia too.

You and I are on the same side of the balance. We have not and don't want to kill people. Personally we are not responsible for the atrocities happened in past years. We are asking from our representatives to provide a brighter future for our nations. We want from them to have the wisdom to face the past as they should do in order that the story will not repeat it selves.

Dear "enemy"!

Let face this story as it should be. Ask from your representatives to face the argument as they should do. It is a shameful comportment that yesterday Mr. Tadic found the necessary time to send his condolences for the victims in Russia and forgot to say a word for the victims of Milosevic's terror.

There was a war-no one profitted from them by selling their their organs like albanian heroes did with Serbian prisoners.
There was never picture of Serbian soldiers holding severed head of albanians..like albanian heroes did.

Hei guys!!! It is impossible to find a mass grave full of Serbian bodies in kosovo!!!
Mass graves are for entire bodies, but remember, the albanian butchers used to harvest organs from serbian prisoners in the northern albania (remember the yellow house).

Everything was great until albans decided to take up arms and start killing Serbs because they wanted to steal our land and ethnically cleanse all Serbs. You couldn't even go outside because you might get kidnapped by uck terrorists (we all know the outcome of those innocent Serbs - organs removed while alive, massacred, tortured). Just look at the demographics in Kosmet right now (almost all Serbs ethnically cleansed from their homeland) SHAME! + there is a lot more albans in Kosmet today than pre 99.

Come on people its not fair to make political points on somebody elses human tragedy...

It is regrettable that people loose their lives and are then buried out of neccessity, individually or in mass graves. What is important now is that the remains are returned to their families. Equally important is the lesson that neither Serbs or Albanians can gain from recriminations, accusations, violence or lack of cooperation. Tit for Tat does not lead us anywhere. We need to rise above our past violent history and start a fresh chapter. For every Albanian sob story there is an equivalent Serb tragedy. Whilst we should not forget our fallen heros and innocent victims let us for their sake move on to a better future, one of mutual trust and cooperation, that way they will not have died in vain.

It goes without saying that I am indeed very sorry what happened to Albanian (and other) victims and their families. I agree with Matthew's sentiments on Louie's family completely.

I really think anybody who knows my opinions would realise this. Were it up to me I would fight till my last breath to prevent things like that from happening.

Frankly, an apology from the Serbian government you seek Louie, is very unlikely. I can see that a good person like yourself deserves that kind of satisfaction, but it won't happen. I just hope its worth something to hear the sadness of Serbs on your suffering.

And I hope you won't mind me saying it, but sadly, we have a lot of victims too.

The albanian trolls and propogandists are out in force today. Why would this Vekaric make this announcement today to the world without any kind of proof? All based on Eulex information?? All before the ICJ ruling?? Something is rotten here. I always suspected Tadic and the yellows of secretly working for the west while pretending to be semi-patriots. This all looks very fishy to me, and I hope my worst fears are not realized - that the yellows indeed have been told to release unproven information to help sway the ICJ ruling against Serbia (and keep Serbia's name in the mud) - for some kind of stupid payback.

"Your comment really shows the false story that Serbians are taught..."
Alban

The history of crimes against serbs is widely known and often mentioned in Western media and is not serbian propaganda. By saying its propaganda your are denying the crimes agains my people. All you need to do is surf the web to find articles of Jasenovac and the albanian campaign to rid Kosovo of serbs during WW2. There have been crimes against all people of the balkans. However, it feels like everyone is allowed to misstreat all serbs for what Milosevic and some of our leaders did. There is a collective blame
brought upon serbs. I know there were horrible crimes committed by my countrymen against albanians and others. What gets to me is that everyone is constantly highlighting serb crimes and
denying their own. This is done only because Serbia lost the wars and were portrayed as the bad guy in western media and the rest of the balkans. Lately the media is less anti-serb and more interested in showing the truth. Just resently an italian documentary showed albanians say that serbs were not welcome in Kosovo. Perhaps Serbia should have treated all kosovo albanians this way after they had sided with Hitler? Perhaps serbs should give the Presevo albanians the same VIP treatment? If something wrong is done upon you it shouldn't be forgotten but if you do something wrong to someone else life should go on as if nothing happend.

"Are you not ashamed that in 2010 there is a nation in Europe that opens a mass grave?"
Alban

I'm not proud that some of my people did these horrible things but at the same time I'm glad that those albanians who lost their family members will get some kind of closure and an oportunity to lay them to rest. I wish that those serbs obducted and killed by albanians will be able to be burried by their family members one day as well. That, however, depends on the willingness of the kosovo albanians. Reading of how albanians still deny these crimes doesn't give me much hope it will happen any time soon.

When the terrorist government in Pristina reveals where the Serbian, and other minorities' dead bodies are that they murdered, and most probably extracted their vital organs for profit, is when I will show compassion for murdered Albanian civilians. All sides must reveal and pay for their crimes, not just the Serbs.

What bothers me the most is that not even one pro Serb camper showed even the least remorse for the dead.
(Mirub Jager, 10 May 2010 18:43)
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Why should we feel remorse if we don't know who was buried there? If they were KLA terrorists brought to that location then I have no remorse. If they were innocent civilians then of course I do. We don't know just yet so I will save judgement until I do. In fact, we don't even know if it is a mass grave until proven as such.

You need to realise that proportional to the population in the province, more Serbians died than Albanians. Kosovo will never become independent otherwise it will be rewarding terrorism and we can't allow that, ever.

Exactly my point. Lets wait for the facts to come out before making judgement. War crimes were committed by all sides so no-one is exempt of guilt. Propaganda is much easier to spread.
(Zoran, 11 May 2010 10:51)

i Have to agree with zoran , why can't people just CONDEMN!!!
Does it matter what language he or she spoke , we as young people have to do nothing else but condemn every single crime that took place

Hold on folks, it must first be determined if these bodies are of KLA soldiers, or civilians. Mass graves in Kosovo have been staged in Kosovo before for political impact. Let's not rush to judgement here. Let the international authorities do their investigations first, before all the finger pointing starts. If the bodies in this grave are actually innocent civilian victims, then they deserve the proper respect and honor any victim should receive, without all the trash that is thrown around on this site.

People should not be acting like these people are not horrible KLA terrorists. Since I do not know if they were in the KLA I am not going to even think it was any kind of war crime.

Who was that criminal that killed them...who killed bytyqi brothers?...

I wonder when albanians will look for mass graves of Serbs butchered by albanians?
(Mikael C, 10 May 2010 13:48)

Yes, you can just wonder...

Since we are at the topic of EULEX disclosers. I was waiting all day yesterday for Serbian news to post the report of EULEX discovery of no hint of organ harvesting. Its amazing how Serbian nationalism still dominates over the media and press.

At least Belgrade is upfront about its past misdeeds and willingness to cooperate with the bereaved, the same however cant be said for the Albanians.
(Niall O'Doherty, 10 May 2010 12:33)

Hahaha, again Albanians are BAD!

"Denial ain't just a river in Egypt."

MARK TWAIN

Ida
a)This whole thing is speculation as they haven't actually found even one body
-Listen Ida this smells very bad,I'd like to agree with you, but I know how important is for victims's families and hope it is true.

b)One or two years ago they claimed there was a mass grave of Albanians and investigation showed absolutely nothing there.
-First of all,we all know they were missleaded,at the same time it is Eulex who insists in this with the ``Serbian cooperation``.

c)Let's wait to see IF there is any body, let alone a large number. Then to see who and how they were killed, that's even if there is anything there.
-I agree with you,we have to wait and see,and my feeling is we'll not be surprized at all,
I demand everybody and when I say everybody I mean Albanian ,Serbian,Greek,Croatian,Bosnian,Roma,Montenegrin,Slovenian to have respect for this victims.

God bless Kosovo

It's funny most of Serb comment still are trying to cover someway all this but hey this is a living prove for all crimes Serbia did to Albanians in Kosovo ... by the way for the truth takes time to come out for propaganda's take less of 24 hr...

Gustav you supported the ethnic cleansing of Serbs from Kosovo so you are hardly free to talk.

I would prefer it if you didn't blame me personally for all the problems that you have, thanks.

And thanks to Bob, Balkan sister and to all well meaning people who post here. Sadly there is more hatred here than calls for peace.

Looks like most here have fallen for it.

"Mike says noone denies the crimes committed by the Milosevic regime. Mike some people on this site do, regularly. But more to the point, was it just Milosevic? Didn't involve a whole lot of military and police personnel to kill, transport and hide the victims?" (DimTuc)

-- No doubt, and anyone denying war crimes like this, regardless of ethnicity or nationality, is no friend of mine. As to those who actually committed the crimes who may still be at large, may they have their day of reckoning.

Still, I was compelled to comment here to back up bganon whose posts I agree with almost 99% of the time: the current government is taking the initiative to solve outstanding cases. EULEX isn't pressuring them, there's no official state-sponsored denial of crimes committed or a sense of self-victimization as a salving remedy. I would be a hypocrite if I didn't think bringing these crimes to light was a bad thing.

Title reads: Mass grave investigated near Raška

EULEX press release: “We cannot give more information at this time until the site has been confirmed to be that of a mass grave – and in order to protect the investigation,” the EULEX press release concluded.

Is it or isn't it?
(care, 11 May 2010 00:39)
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Exactly my point. Lets wait for the facts to come out before making judgement. War crimes were committed by all sides so no-one is exempt of guilt. Propaganda is much easier to spread.

This whole thing is speculation as they haven't actually found even one body. They claim that there is a mass grave under a car park which has not been excavated yet.

One or two years ago they claimed there was a mass grave of Albanians and investigation showed absolutely nothing there.

When they claim a mass grave before finding EVEN ONE body and claim a large number and who is in it - when it might be totally empty, much smaller, or be of non-Albanians shows it is headline propaganda.

And the timing of this is the day before an international Hague operative comes.

Let's wait to see IF there is any body, let alone a large number. Then to see who and how they were killed, that's even if there is anything there.

Title reads: Mass grave investigated near Raška

EULEX press release: “We cannot give more information at this time until the site has been confirmed to be that of a mass grave – and in order to protect the investigation,” the EULEX press release concluded.

Is it or isn't it?

Crucial information seems to be missing. Who are these 250 ethnic Albanians? Were they civilians or terrorists We all know how Račak was staged so why leave the bodies lying around and allowing western propagandists to abuse the situation? More information is needed.

I wonder when albanians will look for mass graves of Serbs butchered by albanians?

At least Belgrade is upfront about its past misdeeds and willingness to cooperate with the bereaved, the same however cant be said for the Albanians.

What bothers me the most is that not even one pro Serb camper showed even the least remorse for the dead.
(Mirub Jager, 10 May 2010 18:43)
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Why should we feel remorse if we don't know who was buried there? If they were KLA terrorists brought to that location then I have no remorse. If they were innocent civilians then of course I do. We don't know just yet so I will save judgement until I do. In fact, we don't even know if it is a mass grave until proven as such.

You need to realise that proportional to the population in the province, more Serbians died than Albanians. Kosovo will never become independent otherwise it will be rewarding terrorism and we can't allow that, ever.

adrian k.

Is albanian blood thicker then the one of serbs? Croats and albanians are the biggest hypocrites and serbs should never appologize for anything until you show the way. How many serbs were killed by nazi croats and albanians during WW2? Have you ever appologized for that? You want serbs to appologize to albanians but you refuse to accept crimes against serbs. That is political. You can't have your independece without having an evil Serbia?
The serbs are the biggest victims in balkan history and more serbs have died compared to both croats and albanians combined but I have yet to hear an appology from either croats, bosnjaks or albanians but you want serbs to bow and appologize? Serbia is dealing with its past, are the albanians?
How many suspected serb warcriminals have Serbia convicted and how many has albnaian run Kosovo? Serbia is and has allways been the most tollerant country in the Balkans. I dare to say that your society is the most racist and backward in the world. Deal with your own dark past and you might get some respect. There is a reason Europe want's you isolated.

Everything was great until albans decided to take up arms and start killing Serbs because they wanted to steal our land and ethnically cleanse all Serbs. You couldn't even go outside because you might get kidnapped by uck terrorists (we all know the outcome of those innocent Serbs - organs removed while alive, massacred, tortured). Just look at the demographics in Kosmet right now (almost all Serbs ethnically cleansed from their homeland) SHAME! + there is a lot more albans in Kosmet today than pre 99.

When you dig in Serbia chances of striking gold are null and striking mass graves are 99%

There was a war-no one profitted from them by selling their their organs like albanian heroes did with Serbian prisoners.
There was never picture of Serbian soldiers holding severed head of albanians..like albanian heroes did.

Hold on folks, it must first be determined if these bodies are of KLA soldiers, or civilians. Mass graves in Kosovo have been staged in Kosovo before for political impact. Let's not rush to judgement here. Let the international authorities do their investigations first, before all the finger pointing starts. If the bodies in this grave are actually innocent civilian victims, then they deserve the proper respect and honor any victim should receive, without all the trash that is thrown around on this site.

The albanian trolls and propogandists are out in force today. Why would this Vekaric make this announcement today to the world without any kind of proof? All based on Eulex information?? All before the ICJ ruling?? Something is rotten here. I always suspected Tadic and the yellows of secretly working for the west while pretending to be semi-patriots. This all looks very fishy to me, and I hope my worst fears are not realized - that the yellows indeed have been told to release unproven information to help sway the ICJ ruling against Serbia (and keep Serbia's name in the mud) - for some kind of stupid payback.

Come on people its not fair to make political points on somebody elses human tragedy...

Hei guys!!! It is impossible to find a mass grave full of Serbian bodies in kosovo!!!
Mass graves are for entire bodies, but remember, the albanian butchers used to harvest organs from serbian prisoners in the northern albania (remember the yellow house).

When the terrorist government in Pristina reveals where the Serbian, and other minorities' dead bodies are that they murdered, and most probably extracted their vital organs for profit, is when I will show compassion for murdered Albanian civilians. All sides must reveal and pay for their crimes, not just the Serbs.

"Your comment really shows the false story that Serbians are taught..."
Alban

The history of crimes against serbs is widely known and often mentioned in Western media and is not serbian propaganda. By saying its propaganda your are denying the crimes agains my people. All you need to do is surf the web to find articles of Jasenovac and the albanian campaign to rid Kosovo of serbs during WW2. There have been crimes against all people of the balkans. However, it feels like everyone is allowed to misstreat all serbs for what Milosevic and some of our leaders did. There is a collective blame
brought upon serbs. I know there were horrible crimes committed by my countrymen against albanians and others. What gets to me is that everyone is constantly highlighting serb crimes and
denying their own. This is done only because Serbia lost the wars and were portrayed as the bad guy in western media and the rest of the balkans. Lately the media is less anti-serb and more interested in showing the truth. Just resently an italian documentary showed albanians say that serbs were not welcome in Kosovo. Perhaps Serbia should have treated all kosovo albanians this way after they had sided with Hitler? Perhaps serbs should give the Presevo albanians the same VIP treatment? If something wrong is done upon you it shouldn't be forgotten but if you do something wrong to someone else life should go on as if nothing happend.

"Are you not ashamed that in 2010 there is a nation in Europe that opens a mass grave?"
Alban

I'm not proud that some of my people did these horrible things but at the same time I'm glad that those albanians who lost their family members will get some kind of closure and an oportunity to lay them to rest. I wish that those serbs obducted and killed by albanians will be able to be burried by their family members one day as well. That, however, depends on the willingness of the kosovo albanians. Reading of how albanians still deny these crimes doesn't give me much hope it will happen any time soon.

Here is our ICJ case Serbia!

Do you really think you can win when you still have mass graves in your own territory? Only countries that are as deluded and as ignorant to human rights as you can and will support you.

No person in their right mind will put burocractic procedures and UN resolutions before the RIGHT of a PERSON to LIVE.

Someone should inform Mr. Tadic and Mr. Jeremic because they don't know anything about it.

Maybe they should stand before this pictures when they claim both Europe and Kosovo.

As posted before, we (Albanians) should THANKS THEM FOR NOT EATING THE BODIES AND FOR THAT THEY SHOULD PRAISED BY

1 - BECOMING EU MEMBERS AS "IRREFUTABLY" THEY SHARE SAME EUROPEAN VALUES!!!

2 - THEY SHOULD KEEP CONTROL OVER KOSOVO BECAUSE "IRREFUTABLY" THEY CAN OFFER THE BEST PROSPEROUS FUTURE FOR KOSOVARS.

Vekarić also said that this is "yet another proof that Serbia wishes to use its democratic capacities to investigate crimes regardless of who committed them."
First you murder them, then you abuse them to promote Serbias Democracy. Are you happy about your "proof"?
Shame on you!

@Mike C

'I wonder when albanians will look for mass graves of Serbs butchered by albanians?'

How dare you make a comment like that? There are no hidden Serbian bodies in Kosova and there were most certainly no 'organ' experiments in Albania. This mass grave shows the extend of Serbian crimes committed against Albanians and add more ammunation to Kosova's independence strive.

And why is it that Pristina's Albanians have not found one missing Serb body, Update? Is it maybe because they aren't looking, or could care less? Or maybe it may make them and their disgusting KLA look bad? Before a single missing Serb body is located, you, and other Albaniaks here, have no right to say anything.

My goodness, look at how quickly this crime against humanity is turned into political points here. No one denies the crimes committed by the Milosevic regime, and the current government in Belgrade, as bganon simply writes, is making every attempt at uncovering the crimes committed in Serbia's name in the past. While I sincerely hope this may bring some form of closure to those families who are still searching for missing relatives, I daresay Pristina's leadership would be this forthcoming in admitting crimes committed in the name of Albanians - at least not under this current leadership.

Don't come and tell me this is the Serbian governmental fault!This is the whole Serbian nation fault.
As a Kosovo citizen ,as A human being i express my deepest condolences to their family. May their soul rest in peace.
Merci a Dieu pour le miracle

B92, the "independent Belgrade" media, why you are hiding this news?...You know what, there is only some analyst missing here to say "You see, Albanians killed them and buried them here in Serbia".
You have to tell your nation that it is SERBIA that caused all these tragedies in Balkans and, what is unfortunate, they do not yet take responsibility for what they have done. You Serbs should finally know that there is just one life - so please let us live it! You are not brave people, because you are afraid to recognize what you have done and who you are. You live in an unrealistic virtual reality created by schizophrenic irresponsible poets and priests...You should be shamed! You are the only European nation to be bombed by an alliance of civilized democracies and you still, tragically, live in that irresponsible reality!!!

How dare you make a statement like that, kola? Where are the missing Serbian bodies then? Did these poor people lose their way, and couldn't find their way home again? As for the organ harvesting, the Serbian people did not make this up, it was an ex-Hague prosecutor that said this took place, remember? Until you, and other albanians, start to show respect for all the victims in the Kosovo conflict, and not just for your own, their will be no healing for anyone. An Albanian victim, is no different from any other victim. A life is a life. Understand?

People should not be acting like these people are not horrible KLA terrorists. Since I do not know if they were in the KLA I am not going to even think it was any kind of war crime.

Come on people its not fair to make political points on somebody elses human tragedy...
(bganon, 10 May 2010 13:48)
Bganon you wrote this less than 2 hours after you wrote
But this is also another sign that the Serbian war crimes prosecutor's office is capable of doing its job, regardless of the ethnic group of victims.
Ironic don't you think, considering that a statement that EULEX discovered a mass grave and we will respond since the "cat is out of the bag" is very much trying to make political points out of someone elses tragedy.

Niall O'Doherty wrote: "At least Belgrade is upfront about its past misdeeds and willingness to cooperate with the bereaved"
Are you saying that Belgrade "invested" in 1998-99 when killed Albanian civilians, so in future (actually) with these dead bodies will blackmail EU accession!?

Why Serbs have been waiting so long to uncover this mass-grave??? Why they didn't done that before??? 10 yrs wasn't enough to find them???

Everything for Serb Nationalists seems to be a trade. Now they are giving the bodies of their victims in order to show that they are flexible and cooperating. For them this is a good excuse to keep running on the old paths.

There is only one way they can face honestly this situation,

1 - An ceremonial honest public excuse.
2 - Recognition of independence and showing the willingness to build rightful relationship.
3 - To refund the war damages.

If such steps are not taken everything else is just a mise en scène.

This is welcome, as it will bring some kind of peace to families of those dead found in graves. I also completely support the prosecution of anybody involved in this, it is shameful beyond belief. I can only imagine that the organiser(s) of these mass graves were completely lacking in any kind of morality.

But this is also another sign that the Serbian war crimes prosecutor's office is capable of doing its job, regardless of the ethnic group of victims.

Oso I think its insulting to the dead to make a joke about such a serious topic.

Niall O'Doherty wrote: "At least Belgrade is upfront about its past misdeeds and willingness to cooperate with the bereaved"
Are you saying that Belgrade "invested" in 1998-99 when killed Albanian civilians, so in future (actually) with these dead bodies will blackmail EU accession!?

Come on people its not fair to make political points on somebody elses human tragedy...
(bganon, 10 May 2010 13:48)

You are the one who is politicizing this by congregating Serbia for doing this. According to you, we should all pat Serbia on the back for not finding this mass grave committed by its own forces. Again, EULEX found it & Serbia had no choice but to publicize it- EULEX would have publicized it anyway.

Ask yourself, Do we ever congratulate a murder who leads us to the body of the victim?

What did I say yesterday?

How is it possible that Serbia, whose military committed this crime, was not able to locate a mass grave of this magnitude for 11 years but police ( EULEX) were?

Biganon, you can thank the war crime prosecutor all you want, but the sad truth is they didn't find this mass grave until now because they weren't looking for it. If you honest, you would says the Serbian War prosecutor should be ashamed of itself and instead you should thanks EULEX.

In this sad and tragic story there is some good news,
the remains of our loved ones will be re-burried in the presence of their families!

Now the decent thing to do will be an apology from the people who did this unhuman act!
Will that happened,NEVER!!!

I have tried all my time to be who I am,a moderate Albanian,but when it comes to this situations,there is no excuses!!!

There is no if or but,very simple an APOLOGY NEEDED URGENTLY!

May God rest their souls in peace!

Zoran wrote:

Crucial information seems to be missing. Who are these 250 ethnic Albanians? Were they civilians or terrorists We all know how Račak was staged so why leave the bodies lying around and allowing western propagandists to abuse the situation? More information is needed.
(Zoran, 10 May 2010 14:43)

Zoran, what sense has your comment? Who better than Serbs knows that? The victims are Albanians. If they where terrorists, what are the evidences of their terrorist acts? Who was the court to decide for this mass-killings?

Where are the rest of 1700+ bodies requested for years from their families? Those where lost in a territory controlled by serbs. How could dare those people enter in this territory?

The crucial element in all this story is,

Why the "pro-western" government of Serbia is keeping hidden war crimes and war criminals? Instead to ask an honest sorry and to show they are ashamed for the horrible crimes done by their coo-nationals, why government of Serbia is trying to make credits with the bodies of victims.

Crucial is that all Serbian nationalism, responsible for committing crimes, hiding them yesterday and shamefully trying to make credits with them today, should be before the court. It would be a genuine case that whole your political class to be presented before the ICJ to answer for this crimes.

*Mikael C,

Your comment really shows the false story that Serbians are taught.

First, my mothers uncle was a partisan who was killed in Bar Montenegro where thousands of Albanian fighters were massacred by Serbs after they had fought together. It was as usual: after we fought together, then you fought us. 2). My mother's family comes from Nis area that was ethnically cleansed in late 19'th century. 3) Half of my Dad's family lives in Turkey, as result of ethnic cleansing between two World Wars. Of course, you can not know these things because we all know what history you've been learning. Think about '99 ethnic cleansing, see it in the above perspective!

In regard to why Europe wants to isolate us. You are absolutely right, we are also a dark society. But, be fully convinced that a society that was allowed to open its University only in 1968 and then deprived of it and with huge economic and political discrimination, always makes better choices: has civilized democratic friends, after the War it did not supported KLA in the elections and is very positive towards local Serbs who still vote for Vojislav Seselj.

Dear friend, you can still believe your story...but trust your eyes. Are you not ashamed that in 2010 there is a nation in Europe that opens a mass grave?

Bye our dear friend...

It goes without saying that I am indeed very sorry what happened to Albanian (and other) victims and their families. I agree with Matthew's sentiments on Louie's family completely.

I really think anybody who knows my opinions would realise this. Were it up to me I would fight till my last breath to prevent things like that from happening.

Frankly, an apology from the Serbian government you seek Louie, is very unlikely. I can see that a good person like yourself deserves that kind of satisfaction, but it won't happen. I just hope its worth something to hear the sadness of Serbs on your suffering.

And I hope you won't mind me saying it, but sadly, we have a lot of victims too.

It is regrettable that people loose their lives and are then buried out of neccessity, individually or in mass graves. What is important now is that the remains are returned to their families. Equally important is the lesson that neither Serbs or Albanians can gain from recriminations, accusations, violence or lack of cooperation. Tit for Tat does not lead us anywhere. We need to rise above our past violent history and start a fresh chapter. For every Albanian sob story there is an equivalent Serb tragedy. Whilst we should not forget our fallen heros and innocent victims let us for their sake move on to a better future, one of mutual trust and cooperation, that way they will not have died in vain.

I wonder when albanians will look for mass graves of Serbs butchered by albanians?
(Mikael C, 10 May 2010 13:48)
Any possiblility that some of these 500 missing could actually be persons who fled because they could not stomach operations such as the creation of mass graves, and cannot return to a still nationalist Serbia.
To you I am sure they would be called "deserters" to me I would call them "Men of Honor"

Bganon,

Your feelings are quite understandable, but you have to admit, stories like these always fuel politics and given that 90% of the comments readers post on this website are political in nature, it is only to be expected that this particular story would yield polarized reactions.

However, I do find it a bit encouraging that the pro-Serb response is so far a bit subdued. I'm hopeful that this is a subtle indication that Serbs have indeed made progress in coming to terms with their violent past.

Let us hope that all the rest of the warring factions of ex-Yu could one day do the same, as appropriate (I personally believe that on balance, some are more culpable than others) and that everyone would finally be able to move on and forgive the awful misdeeds of the recent era.

Today it is Serbia's turn to take a long hard look in the mirror.

May these Albanian victims rest in peace and may there be healing and justice for their loved ones.

I think Vlastimir Djordjevic just got a little less comfortable.

BI also completely support the prosecution of anybody involved in this, it is shameful beyond belief. I can only imagine that the organiser(s) of these mass graves were completely lacking in any kind of morality.
(bganon, 10 May 2010 12:20)
Your state and tens of thousands of armed minions you yourself have been been supporting for years ion every website…you are supporting prosecution of yourself!

But this is also another sign that the Serbian war crimes prosecutor's office is capable of doing its job, regardless of the ethnic group of victims.
(bganon, 10 May 2010 12:20)

Your prosecutor has only been spewing propaganda on the yellow house, which has been debunked by EULEX, the same who has brought thus mass grave in light…
First you kill people and then you claim to be a modern and democratic nation for uncovering them after having denied them for a decade...What utter disgust…
Thanks to the EULEX for refreshing to the world the memory of Serbian brutality as the ICJ prepares to declare its verdict.

May god’s mercy be upon them.
The manner in which they died must have been horrible.
The way they there treated after death abhorrent.
Never again will Albanians be in a defenceless like these poor souls were.

this is the truth -- just yesterday i said again that acc. to our interviews, we believe that there are more mass graves of albanians in serbia. now this. how many times we are laughed at, "edited", lied about, belittled... not that i want to see yet more mass graves, but if they're there stop covering them up!!!

rip to all of the victims, and all such victims. may you all rest in peace, somehow.

roberto frisco

This mass grave of Kosovo Albanians only cements the fact that Kosovo will never be part of Serbia again. The Kosovo Albanians have suffered enough under the brutal oppression of the Serbian state and they are not going to willingly be under Belgrade's thumb ever again. One just hopes that the Serbians finally accept the truth of the crimes they committed and realize that they have themselves forfeited any right to rule over Kosovo and the Kosovo Albanians.

we believe in God's justice!
Serbia choses its satanic road and still is proud of it!
But these souls are in your place to remind you how evil is in your country!
Pray God to reward you as you desserve.

now i have a bit more time:

This is really a day of great sadness. i'm not adding to the SCREAming -- esp not today, it is so inappropriate.

there have been already about 1,000 bodies of ethnic albanians found inside serbia. 1,000 people, 1,000 human beings. not only tortured and killed because of ETHnicity alone, but then hidden away, just like happened so many times in bosnia. secondary graves, tertiary graves. almost all full of bosniaks, but finally of people. get it? of people, of civilians, murdered. why hide them if they were soldiers? they were civilians, and after the bloodlust was carried out, the evidence had to be hidden, and so it was, so it is.

when we saw biserko, and spoke and listened to her wisdom, i interrupted: where are the missing albanians?? where are they? she said: "we are sleeping over them." and so it goes. of course, she spoke the truth.

when we went to see azem vlasi, i asked: where are all of the albanian missing from the war?? it was then he told us about a conversation w/ a well known sebian politician, who let him know that there were, of course, more mass graves inside serbia proper, and that djindjic had at one point put a halt to the opening/ exhumations of further mass graves, for the time being... who knows when or if that search would have continued. but we all know what happened to him.

yesterday when "A" wrote a comment about mass graves of albanians, i cited it, and commented about it, again about info on mass graves, and how no one seemed concerned incl the media. my comment "disappeared." can you imagine the irony in having that happen, then waking up to all of this?

as for some of the nastier comments here today, i just have to overlook them, my sanity is more impt than they are. i hope it teaches us some lessons but i really doubt it, based on what i am seeing.

and yes, at the VERY least, representatives of the bld regime MUST publicly acknowledge this horror and others related to it, and make at least an attempt at an apology. how they can face themselves knowing all of this, harboring mladic, pouring forth nationalist propaganda... there has got to be a change.

i do understand that people of all nationalities suffered in these miserable wars, including serbs. i have never denied it -- why would i? and have always said that ALL serious war crimes investigations must go forward.

but what i have read here, since del ponte -- about "organ allegations" has been so obscene and so evil -- there are no words to describe such a "discussion."

in as much as i have a hell of a lot to say, at the same time, we need to hold a moment of silence, in some token of respect. and esp for the family and loved ones of these people.

roberto
frisco

What bothers me the most is that not even one pro Serb camper showed even the least remorse for the dead. Actually, I feel indefference and ignorance.
How am I supposse to feel as an European about the prospect of this region?

This whole thing is speculation as they haven't actually found even one body. They claim that there is a mass grave under a car park which has not been excavated yet.

One or two years ago they claimed there was a mass grave of Albanians and investigation showed absolutely nothing there.

When they claim a mass grave before finding EVEN ONE body and claim a large number and who is in it - when it might be totally empty, much smaller, or be of non-Albanians shows it is headline propaganda.

And the timing of this is the day before an international Hague operative comes.

Let's wait to see IF there is any body, let alone a large number. Then to see who and how they were killed, that's even if there is anything there.

Certainly illegal but no less LEGITIMATE, international right isn't smth static, it evolves within good and bad events. I wouldn't be surprised if ICJ dishes out some new doctrine at the light of what happened in our countries the past decade. They just have to find the courage to do it.

When a country uses its power to deportate and physically eliminate its administrates, it's totally legitimate to cut the social contract these administrates have been enjoying till then with the ruling entity.

"Why should we feel remorse if we don't know who was buried there? If they were KLA terrorists brought to that location then I have no remorse. If they were innocent civilians then of course I do."

According to you Zorane we Albanians do not need to have any remorse at all for the missing Serbs as almost 100% of all grown male Serbs in Kosova were part of the paramilitary.In my town(Vushtrri/Vucitrn)are more than one thousand young men still missing since 22 may 1999(many of them i had known in person).May god ease pain and agony to all those who are still missing their loved ones.

Gustav you supported the ethnic cleansing of Serbs from Kosovo so you are hardly free to talk.

I would prefer it if you didn't blame me personally for all the problems that you have, thanks.

And thanks to Bob, Balkan sister and to all well meaning people who post here. Sadly there is more hatred here than calls for peace.

Serbia should be congratulated for finding this shocking mass grave. However, it is legitimate to ask what has been happening for the last 9 years. Over 1000 bodies were found in a number of sites, then the Serbian government - led by Zoran Djindjic by the way, who has wrongly achieved semi-mythical status - called off the continued search. It was too embarassing, especially the way the graves tended to turn up in places like police compounds.

Mike says noone denies the crimes committed by the Milosevic regime. Mike some people on this site do, regularly. But more to the point, was it just Milosevic? Didn't involve a whole lot of military and police personnel to kill, transport and hide the victims? Milosevic is dead, but where are all these heroes who know full well where these sites are, have said nothing for a decade and are probably still stuffing the Serbian state apparatus at various levels?

Nevertheless, again the current government should be congratulated. If it spooks people on this list like Dragan into calling this government "yellow" or whatever, then that proves they are doing something good.

And the comments that various people in Pristina must also know about the missing Serbs are also valid and to the point.

President Boris Tadić sent a telegram of condolences to his Russian counterpart Dmitry Medvedev after a deadly explosion in the Raspadskaya mine.
Please accept the deepest condolences in the name of the entire Serbian people and in my name.
We most sincerely sympathize with the families of the victims and the Russian people,” Tadić wrote, his cabinet announced today in Belgrade. 
 
Can Tadic also find 2 min of his time to send condolences to the Albanian Families of those 250 Albanians killed by his “prior cabinet?”
 

Louie, I’m really sorry for what your people had to endure, no one should suffer that sort of fate.
(Matthew, 10 May 2010 17:53)

Thank You Matthew for understanding the situation with our missing family members since 1999!

In every war or conflict there were acts which we don't aprove,I'm sorry as well for all the wrong doings from our side!
It is the time to try and heal the wound and I was suggesting an Apology from Serbian Government will start a new era where we could seat on the table and discuss other issues!

Kosova/o and Serbia will have to learn that if we can't live together then at least we have to try to live in PEACE!

Looks like most here have fallen for it.

Title reads: Mass grave investigated near Raška

EULEX press release: “We cannot give more information at this time until the site has been confirmed to be that of a mass grave – and in order to protect the investigation,” the EULEX press release concluded.

Is it or isn't it?
(care, 11 May 2010 00:39)
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Exactly my point. Lets wait for the facts to come out before making judgement. War crimes were committed by all sides so no-one is exempt of guilt. Propaganda is much easier to spread.

This is a really good thing, we’re one step closer to closure for the families who are still missing their loved ones. I have friends from Bosnia whose close family are still missing from the war and it’s a terrible agony to live with a daily basis. We Serbs have some missing in Kosovo too, its my hope that somehow these revelations will help others on all sides to come forward with information (WWII even).

Louie, I’m really sorry for what your people had to endure, no one should suffer that sort of fate.

Louie, I’m really sorry for what your people had to endure, no one should suffer that sort of fate.
(Matthew, 10 May 2010)

Matthew thank you. Your apology seems very sincere. You do have my respect for that.

"Denial ain't just a river in Egypt."

MARK TWAIN

At least Belgrade is upfront about its past misdeeds and willingness to cooperate with the bereaved, the same however cant be said for the Albanians.
(Niall O'Doherty, 10 May 2010 12:33)

Hahaha, again Albanians are BAD!

Now it is for the names of all the commanders in the area to be released and for them to account for their actions. These bodies were hidden to disguise a criminal act; we therefore look forward to some convictions following this discovery. I am sure that it is not pleasurable to hear of the bad actions of fellow country men - but there is also a joy when they are properly convicted of their crimes.

All countries have criminals, and all countries have jails. Most people are law abiding and actively WANT criminals convicted and jailed. Also, the majority of people are intelligent enough to be able to pursue their politics without having to support criminals.

I would like to put in a word for decent people on all sides - there are many people who are not bad and do not deserve to be categorized with the crooks and the murderers. Let me assure you, that in Serbia, during the troubles, there were many Serbs who were disgusted by the actions of the paramilitaries, the mafiosi and the thugs. There are people with 'heart'. People who are just as horrified which ever side commits or provokes atrocities. People who do empathize with the pain of Albanians suffering bereavement. My sympathy is reserved for the innocent victims from all sides.

It is customary for postings to use racist over generalization about the other ethnic group ('all Serbs/ Albanians/ Bosnians/ Croats/ Yanks are bad' delete as necessary). However, I defend the vast majority of people (on all sides) who most definitely do not want the criminals to escape and go unpunished and who hate that these disgusting acts have happened.

I wonder when albanians will look for mass graves of Serbs butchered by albanians?
(Mikael C, 10 May 2010 13:48)

Yes, you can just wonder...

"Mike says noone denies the crimes committed by the Milosevic regime. Mike some people on this site do, regularly. But more to the point, was it just Milosevic? Didn't involve a whole lot of military and police personnel to kill, transport and hide the victims?" (DimTuc)

-- No doubt, and anyone denying war crimes like this, regardless of ethnicity or nationality, is no friend of mine. As to those who actually committed the crimes who may still be at large, may they have their day of reckoning.

Still, I was compelled to comment here to back up bganon whose posts I agree with almost 99% of the time: the current government is taking the initiative to solve outstanding cases. EULEX isn't pressuring them, there's no official state-sponsored denial of crimes committed or a sense of self-victimization as a salving remedy. I would be a hypocrite if I didn't think bringing these crimes to light was a bad thing.

bganon, I really want to believe that your statements are sincere. They are other people in Serbia, kind of Sonia Biserko, who believe that the truth will set our peoples free and will bring justice.

I know that they are many Serbian families claiming for their missing members since the Kosova war, mainly JNA soldiers sent over there. In this case too should be a through fully investigation but up to now there is not any clear evidence about their fate.

What is concerning me is that the Serbian government is quite forced to uncover (not discover) this site. On the other side I believe that it knows much more than it claims to know.

You and other Serbian citizens don't have to apologise for those crimes. You didn't commit any of them and you are equally as free as I am on this regard. On the other side, the Serbian President, as the representative of its nation’s conscience, should ask that for that. I would prefer a sincere apology from Serbian Orthodox Church too as it is the initiator of such blind nationalism who brought such dramatic outcome for the whole region not excluding Serbia too.

You and I are on the same side of the balance. We have not and don't want to kill people. Personally we are not responsible for the atrocities happened in past years. We are asking from our representatives to provide a brighter future for our nations. We want from them to have the wisdom to face the past as they should do in order that the story will not repeat it selves.

Dear "enemy"!

Let face this story as it should be. Ask from your representatives to face the argument as they should do. It is a shameful comportment that yesterday Mr. Tadic found the necessary time to send his condolences for the victims in Russia and forgot to say a word for the victims of Milosevic's terror.

Since we are at the topic of EULEX disclosers. I was waiting all day yesterday for Serbian news to post the report of EULEX discovery of no hint of organ harvesting. Its amazing how Serbian nationalism still dominates over the media and press.

Who was that criminal that killed them...who killed bytyqi brothers?...

Ida
a)This whole thing is speculation as they haven't actually found even one body
-Listen Ida this smells very bad,I'd like to agree with you, but I know how important is for victims's families and hope it is true.

b)One or two years ago they claimed there was a mass grave of Albanians and investigation showed absolutely nothing there.
-First of all,we all know they were missleaded,at the same time it is Eulex who insists in this with the ``Serbian cooperation``.

c)Let's wait to see IF there is any body, let alone a large number. Then to see who and how they were killed, that's even if there is anything there.
-I agree with you,we have to wait and see,and my feeling is we'll not be surprized at all,
I demand everybody and when I say everybody I mean Albanian ,Serbian,Greek,Croatian,Bosnian,Roma,Montenegrin,Slovenian to have respect for this victims.

God bless Kosovo

Exactly my point. Lets wait for the facts to come out before making judgement. War crimes were committed by all sides so no-one is exempt of guilt. Propaganda is much easier to spread.
(Zoran, 11 May 2010 10:51)

i Have to agree with zoran , why can't people just CONDEMN!!!
Does it matter what language he or she spoke , we as young people have to do nothing else but condemn every single crime that took place

It's funny most of Serb comment still are trying to cover someway all this but hey this is a living prove for all crimes Serbia did to Albanians in Kosovo ... by the way for the truth takes time to come out for propaganda's take less of 24 hr...

I work with a Serbian girl here in Canada, and as time has passed, we have learned that we actually have alot more in common as people than differences. This has led me to believe that all we really need is to know one another. Instead of going with the rest of the crowd, pull back and think, we are all humans. Once you remove ones nationality, he/she is just a human and often hard to tell whether they are Serbs or Albanians. In short, we must stop this cycle of violence and faciliate dialogue and understanding. The rest of Europe is poking fun at us, because they have moved on from such behaviours 65 years ago.

Title reads: Mass grave investigated near Raška

EULEX press release: “We cannot give more information at this time until the site has been confirmed to be that of a mass grave – and in order to protect the investigation,” the EULEX press release concluded.

Is it or isn't it?