Tadić in Moscow for Victory Day celebration

If there are no extreme situations then “because of prior engagements.” is the only exclusion which in the Diplomatic Protocol is not insulting for the inviting side. Anyway I would prefer to see Obama in Moscow. At least the American youngsters would learn that the USSR had fought on the right side. Now Hollywood and CNN have persuaded them that it was the USA who had won the war while the others just helped the moral leaders of the world. I guess everything was politically very correct. Concerning the Poles it was stated “there’s no doubt that Voisko Polskoe has tribute much to our mutual Victory”. Only our two peoples understand the real meaning of the words. They mean that reconciliation is good but the truth is something we are not going to trade with.

As I said before to my mind Serbia deserved to be a participant to the military parade more than 2-3 other states invited but we can only guess what was there behind the curtains. Maybe it could further spoil relations with some other former Yugo republics. At least the Montenegrins would have full rights to expect a similar invitation. Thanks to the two Yugoslavian armies Croats and Albanians escaped the Nurnberg Tribunal and formally became a part of the Coalition. So maybe the Serban participation in the Parade was a more complicated matter than I can see. Though something tells me that it was a result of some imposed Complex of Inferiority and Boris had not been insisting enough.

Congratulations to all of you ! No matter if you liked my comment or if you never bother reading it for giving me your POOR COMMENT. In any case it’s a joint victory for all of us. Regards !

American military "contribution" to the victory in Europe was to a large degree humanitarian bombing of civil targets in Dresden, Cologne, Nuremberg and so on.

American military kept that "noble" tradition and did it against Serbia. And the American civil population is totally brainwashed.

On the other hand the American contribution in form of trucks, military equipment, money to Soviet Union in the most critical time of the war was significant.

Later there wasn't any weapon Soviet Union did produce which wasn't sometimes significantly better than it's American equivalent.

Just two to name: Sherman tanks were a pathetic joke compared with T-34 and IL-2 largely bullet-proof "shturmovik" airplane.

While being (as an exception, perhaps) on the "good" side of the war - the American "contribution" to it is largely associated with "flying fortress"-es pouring down death to civilians and later with Hiroshima and Nagasaki. What a shame.

I hope Mr. Tadic brought his hammer and sickle with him, in order to show his solidarity with Ruskies.
(Kosova-USA, 9 May 2010 15:30)

People, do not feed the Albanian trolls.

Good to see k-alb trolls crying that they were not included in celebration.

Where the albanians invited to this event....oh I forgot..they fought with the German Nazi's...now I remember....they were on the loosing side...

Naturally, Kosovo USA, you should be back in Tirana practicing the goose step and lifting your right arm.

Growing up in the US, we only really learned about WWII from the American/British point of view. Yes we knew the Soviets were the ones who captured Berlin, but emphasis was always placed on Dunkirk, the London Blitz, and D-Day. Stalingrad, Leningrad, Kursk, all these were largely side-notes, even though the Russians were already on the offensive a full year before the Normandy landing and fought their way to Berlin alone.

Looking objectively at the entire history of WWII-European campain, one cannot help to note the Russians took the worst of Hitler's Drang nach Osten. Outside the deathcamps themselves, I can't think of a worse Hell on Earth than Leningrad beseiged for three years. I couldn't imagine the Soviet Union coming back from the brink as it did in Stalingrad. And while I'm certainly no fan of Stalin's totalitarian policies, I couldn't think of a better army to capture Berlin and force dozens of high ranking Nazis to take their lives out of fear of being captured. Having lost anywhere between 20 - 30 million people out of 50 million total in the entire war, the Russians more than deserve their Victory Day.

To our Russian friends:

Живым бойцам - почет и честь, А павшим Слава Вечная!

Serbs will not forget - ever.

Those were hard years. If the Russians had lost the war, Serbia and all slavs would have ultimately dissapeared from the earth - that was Hitler's program.

What stuns me is what in God's name were the Croats thinking in siding with Hitler.

Croats ARE slavs!!!!!

Wake up Croatia, the ideology you quietly persue even to this very day considers you sub-human.

Please for heaven's sake stop it and let Serbs live with dignity in your "country".

K-usa, thanks for showing your solidarity by contributing to the category of stupid comments!!
(The Swiss, 9 May 2010 17:40)

With that comment he was the king of the day for sure.

I hope Mr. Tadic brought his hammer and sickle with him, in order to show his solidarity with Ruskies.
(Kosova-USA, 9 May 2010 15:30)

Just reminding you: "neo-liberals" like Clinton and Albright are NOT liberals. "Neo-cons" like Bush are NOT conservatives.

In the fact, both are merely two different end of the same stick... let's name that stick "fascism".

Enjoy your friends... for the time being! Hope one day the will hang upside-down, Limaj and Quetzal included. Like it happened with Mussolini.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/21st_Waffen_Mountain_Division_of_the_SS_Skanderbeg_(1st_Albanian)

You better learn Serbian, mate.... first what you have to learn: "Смрт фашизму, слобода народу".

And yes... a holocaust-survivior like Albright WERY WELL can be a fascist.

Doesn't matter for whatever reason he is going, it is a impressive event that I had the chance to see while living in Moscow.

K-usa, thanks for showing your solidarity by contributing to the category of stupid comments!!

Pres. Obama should have made more of an effort to attend.

Just out of curiosity, did the Germans show up?

"I know US was invited, but they decline the invitation. hehehehe"
Kosovo-USA

You make a fool out of yourself again and again and again. America did take part, so did the british.
http://www.armchairgeneral.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1486665

What about the headline:
U.S., Britain, France to take part in May 9 parade in Moscow
http://en.rian.ru/russia/20100211/157846523.html

Hehehehehe!

I'm glad to say that I'm proud that my countrymen marched alongside the Russians, Polish, French, Armenians, Ukrainians etc today.
(Ian, UK, 10 May 2010 02:03)

Its a pity Ian that you support the continuation of fascist policies against Serbia, ergo 1941 and 1999.

Oh the irony.

cees,

or even Seselj and Milosevic, who both to me belong in this category …

Please don’t use such strong words today ! Don’t spoil the Holiday with unproved statements. Best if we search for things that unite us. The festival in Moscow said a strong “No!” to the multiple falsifications of the history we have been witnessing during the last two decades. And I am really happy to see how many peoples have united against the brain surgery campaign followed after the Cold War.

commentator,

Thank you ! We know very well what Serbs have tribute to the Victory. In 1941-42 when we needed assistance more than ever there was only one more nation to fight the Nazi in Europe. All other how I won the war stories were written down afterwards ! In the rest of Europe the partisan movements became massive only in 1944. And be sure we know that outside the USSR Serbs were the only nation ready to pay for the Victory any price required. In WW2 the Brits have lost 7 times less than in WW1 and so did the Galls and the rest. While D.Mihailovich rebelled in mid 1941 ! So let the Croats alone to understand them we have to become one of them that none us would like to.

Ata-man

Чужой земли мы не хотим ни пяди,
Но и своей вершка не отдадим.

Congratulations !

Pres. Obama should have made more of an effort to attend.

Just out of curiosity, did the Germans show up?
(JC, 9 May 2010 14:26)
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Yes, Angela was there sitting next to Putin.
I wonder how that felt.

Mike

Thank you for your comment ! We value very much the aid we received from the USA and I can give a long list of what it was. But we have no right to correct the history. In 1941 mobilization potential of Germany was estimated 23,5 millions and in 1945 it was totally exhausted. They had to use Folkshturm and Hitlerugend groups. The Nazi have lost some 500 000 in the Western theatres while their total losses are estimated 7-8 millions of the killed and 4-5 millions of the captured. Besides as you must know the most effective troops were always sent Eastward while in early 1945 they almost stopped to resist in the West.

I guess I know why this time Russia paid extra attention to the Victory Day. We were provoked long by the West. Hollywood did not lie. They just told only part of the truth. As a result young Americans believe in soldier Rian’s victory and know nothing of soldier Ivan. They even shoot a film where the Americans seize the famous Enigma decoding machine which in fact was captured by the English. Anyway we all deserve this Great Day and we have no right to let falsifications discredit what our ancestors have given their lives for. They too were young and they too loved to live …

In 2004 the West was celebrating the Overlord Operation D-Day and they never gave a word to Putin invited there to listen fairy tales and to applaud. In 2009 when the ceremony took place again they failed to even invite Medvedev … Meanwhile you must know than in a great degree the success of the operation was because of the Bagration Operation which deprived the Western German troops of any reinforcement. This is why we had to dot the “i” this May.


Congratulations !

May 9th was the beginning of decades of slavery by the Communist regime of Tito who slaughtered thousands of Serbs in Serbia and outside as class enemies.
Tito whose armies were Stalin's army and had welcolmed the dismemberment of Yugoslavia prior to April 6 1941 and did nothing to stop the Germans in 1941.
Their attacks on German forces were very exaggerated and spent most of the war attacking Mihailovic's forces.He tricked Churchill who said supporting Tito was the worst decision he ever made.Today Tadic and the sons and grandsons still celebrate the blood sucker Broz.Tragically the Serbs hope of freedom and democracy died when The Soviets liberated Belgrade with his Parisans who subsequently waged a reign of terror in Serbia.
Shame on those who refuse to recognise the true patriot Draza Mihailovic recognised by De Gaulle and others apart from the Red bandits and their children who continue with the lie.

I hope Mr. Tadic brought his hammer and sickle with him, in order to show his solidarity with Ruskies.

I agree with many Russian historians when it comes to World War Two, US involvement wasn't needed to defeat Nazi Germany. I think it is fair to say that Nazi Germany lost the war after the Battle of Kursk in 1943 as that was Nazi Germany's last full scale major offensive and it was stopped by the Soviets. The US's main role was in the Pacific Theatre, yet American history books don't tell you about the 3 million+ Chinese soldiers who died fighting the Japanese. American history books don't like to tell you about what the former "Eastern Block" countries magnificently achieved in WW2 as it would not have looked good during the Cold War to big up the "communists". The thing that annoys me most about the US and WW2 is Hollywood. They portray the US as coming into Europe to save the day and defeating the Nazis single handedly. Then they'll portray some British soldiers as idiots (with South East English accents, because according to Americans all British sound like that) who have to be saved by American soldiers and consequently Americans see this as historical fact, when this simply isn't true. Hollywood doesn't even touch upon the Soviet Union when it comes to WW2. Americans just don't have a clue about World War Two and the ones who do know about it are denies and hide the truth as to what other countries did. Americans also don't know about American banks (ironically a lot were owned by Jews) funding Nazi Germany all the way until 1945.

I'm glad to say that I'm proud that my countrymen marched alongside the Russians, Polish, French, Armenians, Ukrainians etc today.

People, do not feed the Albanian trolls.
(Niall O'Doherty, 9 May 2010 22:02)
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He really tries hard to provoke. Either that or he really is that silly.

I'm glad to say that I'm proud that my countrymen marched alongside the Russians, Polish, French, Armenians, Ukrainians etc today.
(Ian, UK, 10 May 2010 02:03)
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Don't forget that the Serbs were there fighting the Nazis along with your Brits. They were fighting the Albanian Nazis as well. The very people you are so proud to defend these days.

Rote Kapelle, some people will never leave a world in which the ‘Cold War’ still exists. If you love to live with this Manichaean-thinking, a world of the ‘Bad Ones’ (The Others) and a world of the ‘Good Ones’ (We), you still live in a world that even your beloved Russia wants to leave behind.
I am glad that Tadic wants to fight fascism as the most evil threat in western societies. There is no country in this world where fascism, rooted in extreme nationalism, still exists. I hope that Tadic will not forget that also Serbia has had exponents of this evil in the past: Milan Acimovic, Milan Nedic, Dimitrij Ljotic or even Seselj and Milosevic, who both to me belong in this category.
The fact that the Cold War Opponents found together in Moscow is a hopeful sign for the future.

Quite right Nik, any celebration of Serbian resistance during WWII must defer to the ravna gora cetnik movement. Serbia rightfully denounces contemptible ideologies such as fascism and needs to make the final break with titoism and outlaw any celebration of it in Serbia. Death to communism/facism. CCCC

It is interesting, but unfortunately predictable that so many people revert to squabbling, bickering and naive (and often false) interpretations of history. It’s foolish to put out the same tired old tribalism. Neither USSR nor USA was perfect during WW2, and both looked after their own interests. But since there is so many posting of adulation for the Russian/USSR friends here, and predictable anti USA sentiment, it might be helpful to have a bit of perspective. Remember, in 1939 Poland was bombed, invaded and dismembered by BOTH Germany and USSR, thanks the alliance between the Nazis and USSR. Atrocities in Poland were committed by BOTH Nazi Germany and USSR (and in the Baltic states by USSR alone). Later, when the Nazis attacked Yugoslavia and bombed Belgrade, the USSR did absolutely nothing. Why? Because, at that time, they were allies of the fascists, not the Yugoslavs. Note – they did not come to the rescue. They chose to let Yugoslavia suffer.

This evil Germany/USSR pact ended NOT because of some moral or principled anti fascist stance by USSR – it ended because Germany invaded USSR . Germany ended it for selfish reasons; the USSR did not end it for principled reasons. Consequently, being abandoned and then attacked by their former Nazi friends, the USSR found some new friends and new alliances – and a new cause. Only then did it began to fight fascism in Europe. Of course, once it did, it did so bravely and often heroically. This is why the USSR and her brave army deserves our thanks and respect. But only from that point – prior to that, they did nothing to help Yugoslavia. In the early years of WW2, the USSR was the enemy of antifascism and so deserves our condemnation.

So the whole sorry story is somewhat complicated with neither side nor any state truly moral and principled.

Peace and respect

GRUK

Where the albanians invited to this event....oh I forgot..they fought with the German Nazi's...now I remember....they were on the loosing side...


I know US was invited, but they decline the invitation. hehehehe

"down with commies, freedom for all peace loving people"

"I can't think of a worse Hell on Earth than Leningrad beseiged for three years" - Mike

I can, Sarajevo 92-95 it was besieged for three and a half years and thousands of civilians were purposefully targeted and killed.

Ata-man

Чужой земли мы не хотим ни пяди,
Но и своей вершка не отдадим.

Congratulations !
(Rote, 9 May 2010 20:59)

Maybe not a cossack - but I have a very dangerous weapon: a canon. I mean, "Canon 5D". It is dangerous because it sees the truth of Albanian terror.

Enjoy my pictures.

http://www.b92.net/eng/news/comments.php?nav_id=67006

But of course you can take a train. This is Intercity Avala, pictures taken in autumn of 2008. Looks nice from outside, nice from inside - until you don't go to toilet. There you see the decoration on the wall. This is what they want. This is what we don't want.

http://img179.imageshack.us/img179/841/train1f.jpg

http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/2169/train2p.jpg

Lovely, isn't it:
http://img42.imageshack.us/img42/6812/train3g.jpg

Great ceremony, would loved to have been there!

Rote

Which version of "the truth" would you be talking about?

Peter Sudyka,

Which version of "the truth" would you be talking about ?

Piotr let’s not tease each other. I don’t recall you what we two know and you don’t put me provocative questions. My truth was declared during the Parade and it was also said that “this is why they were awarded with the right to storm Berlin with us” So let’s talk only of what is certain. Woisko Polskoe ‘s tribute is undoubtful.

Rote

The reason I asked you is because I recall your opinion on Poland during WWII and it is just not true.

We had less collaboration with Nazis than any country in Europe and took part against them on all fronts, though you claim we were on their side and only Ludowe Wojsko Polskie and Bataliony Ch³opskie were on the right side.

Anyway, our nations are making great progress in reconcilliation, so let's not spoil this with opinions on the past, since that is all it is, the past, and has nothing to do with our future. Personally, I am very happy that Russia and Poland are on the road to reconciliation.

I hope Mr. Tadic brought his hammer and sickle with him, in order to show his solidarity with Ruskies.

Where the albanians invited to this event....oh I forgot..they fought with the German Nazi's...now I remember....they were on the loosing side...


I know US was invited, but they decline the invitation. hehehehe

"down with commies, freedom for all peace loving people"

"I can't think of a worse Hell on Earth than Leningrad beseiged for three years" - Mike

I can, Sarajevo 92-95 it was besieged for three and a half years and thousands of civilians were purposefully targeted and killed.

If there are no extreme situations then “because of prior engagements.” is the only exclusion which in the Diplomatic Protocol is not insulting for the inviting side. Anyway I would prefer to see Obama in Moscow. At least the American youngsters would learn that the USSR had fought on the right side. Now Hollywood and CNN have persuaded them that it was the USA who had won the war while the others just helped the moral leaders of the world. I guess everything was politically very correct. Concerning the Poles it was stated “there’s no doubt that Voisko Polskoe has tribute much to our mutual Victory”. Only our two peoples understand the real meaning of the words. They mean that reconciliation is good but the truth is something we are not going to trade with.

As I said before to my mind Serbia deserved to be a participant to the military parade more than 2-3 other states invited but we can only guess what was there behind the curtains. Maybe it could further spoil relations with some other former Yugo republics. At least the Montenegrins would have full rights to expect a similar invitation. Thanks to the two Yugoslavian armies Croats and Albanians escaped the Nurnberg Tribunal and formally became a part of the Coalition. So maybe the Serban participation in the Parade was a more complicated matter than I can see. Though something tells me that it was a result of some imposed Complex of Inferiority and Boris had not been insisting enough.

Congratulations to all of you ! No matter if you liked my comment or if you never bother reading it for giving me your POOR COMMENT. In any case it’s a joint victory for all of us. Regards !

May 9th was the beginning of decades of slavery by the Communist regime of Tito who slaughtered thousands of Serbs in Serbia and outside as class enemies.
Tito whose armies were Stalin's army and had welcolmed the dismemberment of Yugoslavia prior to April 6 1941 and did nothing to stop the Germans in 1941.
Their attacks on German forces were very exaggerated and spent most of the war attacking Mihailovic's forces.He tricked Churchill who said supporting Tito was the worst decision he ever made.Today Tadic and the sons and grandsons still celebrate the blood sucker Broz.Tragically the Serbs hope of freedom and democracy died when The Soviets liberated Belgrade with his Parisans who subsequently waged a reign of terror in Serbia.
Shame on those who refuse to recognise the true patriot Draza Mihailovic recognised by De Gaulle and others apart from the Red bandits and their children who continue with the lie.

American military "contribution" to the victory in Europe was to a large degree humanitarian bombing of civil targets in Dresden, Cologne, Nuremberg and so on.

American military kept that "noble" tradition and did it against Serbia. And the American civil population is totally brainwashed.

On the other hand the American contribution in form of trucks, military equipment, money to Soviet Union in the most critical time of the war was significant.

Later there wasn't any weapon Soviet Union did produce which wasn't sometimes significantly better than it's American equivalent.

Just two to name: Sherman tanks were a pathetic joke compared with T-34 and IL-2 largely bullet-proof "shturmovik" airplane.

While being (as an exception, perhaps) on the "good" side of the war - the American "contribution" to it is largely associated with "flying fortress"-es pouring down death to civilians and later with Hiroshima and Nagasaki. What a shame.

Rote Kapelle, some people will never leave a world in which the ‘Cold War’ still exists. If you love to live with this Manichaean-thinking, a world of the ‘Bad Ones’ (The Others) and a world of the ‘Good Ones’ (We), you still live in a world that even your beloved Russia wants to leave behind.
I am glad that Tadic wants to fight fascism as the most evil threat in western societies. There is no country in this world where fascism, rooted in extreme nationalism, still exists. I hope that Tadic will not forget that also Serbia has had exponents of this evil in the past: Milan Acimovic, Milan Nedic, Dimitrij Ljotic or even Seselj and Milosevic, who both to me belong in this category.
The fact that the Cold War Opponents found together in Moscow is a hopeful sign for the future.

I hope Mr. Tadic brought his hammer and sickle with him, in order to show his solidarity with Ruskies.
(Kosova-USA, 9 May 2010 15:30)

Just reminding you: "neo-liberals" like Clinton and Albright are NOT liberals. "Neo-cons" like Bush are NOT conservatives.

In the fact, both are merely two different end of the same stick... let's name that stick "fascism".

Enjoy your friends... for the time being! Hope one day the will hang upside-down, Limaj and Quetzal included. Like it happened with Mussolini.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/21st_Waffen_Mountain_Division_of_the_SS_Skanderbeg_(1st_Albanian)

You better learn Serbian, mate.... first what you have to learn: "Смрт фашизму, слобода народу".

And yes... a holocaust-survivior like Albright WERY WELL can be a fascist.

To our Russian friends:

Живым бойцам - почет и честь, А павшим Слава Вечная!

Serbs will not forget - ever.

Those were hard years. If the Russians had lost the war, Serbia and all slavs would have ultimately dissapeared from the earth - that was Hitler's program.

What stuns me is what in God's name were the Croats thinking in siding with Hitler.

Croats ARE slavs!!!!!

Wake up Croatia, the ideology you quietly persue even to this very day considers you sub-human.

Please for heaven's sake stop it and let Serbs live with dignity in your "country".

I'm glad to say that I'm proud that my countrymen marched alongside the Russians, Polish, French, Armenians, Ukrainians etc today.
(Ian, UK, 10 May 2010 02:03)
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Don't forget that the Serbs were there fighting the Nazis along with your Brits. They were fighting the Albanian Nazis as well. The very people you are so proud to defend these days.

Pres. Obama should have made more of an effort to attend.

Just out of curiosity, did the Germans show up?

cees,

or even Seselj and Milosevic, who both to me belong in this category …

Please don’t use such strong words today ! Don’t spoil the Holiday with unproved statements. Best if we search for things that unite us. The festival in Moscow said a strong “No!” to the multiple falsifications of the history we have been witnessing during the last two decades. And I am really happy to see how many peoples have united against the brain surgery campaign followed after the Cold War.

commentator,

Thank you ! We know very well what Serbs have tribute to the Victory. In 1941-42 when we needed assistance more than ever there was only one more nation to fight the Nazi in Europe. All other how I won the war stories were written down afterwards ! In the rest of Europe the partisan movements became massive only in 1944. And be sure we know that outside the USSR Serbs were the only nation ready to pay for the Victory any price required. In WW2 the Brits have lost 7 times less than in WW1 and so did the Galls and the rest. While D.Mihailovich rebelled in mid 1941 ! So let the Croats alone to understand them we have to become one of them that none us would like to.

Ata-man

Чужой земли мы не хотим ни пяди,
Но и своей вершка не отдадим.

Congratulations !

I'm glad to say that I'm proud that my countrymen marched alongside the Russians, Polish, French, Armenians, Ukrainians etc today.
(Ian, UK, 10 May 2010 02:03)

Its a pity Ian that you support the continuation of fascist policies against Serbia, ergo 1941 and 1999.

Oh the irony.

K-usa, thanks for showing your solidarity by contributing to the category of stupid comments!!
(The Swiss, 9 May 2010 17:40)

With that comment he was the king of the day for sure.

I hope Mr. Tadic brought his hammer and sickle with him, in order to show his solidarity with Ruskies.
(Kosova-USA, 9 May 2010 15:30)

People, do not feed the Albanian trolls.

Quite right Nik, any celebration of Serbian resistance during WWII must defer to the ravna gora cetnik movement. Serbia rightfully denounces contemptible ideologies such as fascism and needs to make the final break with titoism and outlaw any celebration of it in Serbia. Death to communism/facism. CCCC

Great ceremony, would loved to have been there!

Rote

Which version of "the truth" would you be talking about?

It is interesting, but unfortunately predictable that so many people revert to squabbling, bickering and naive (and often false) interpretations of history. It’s foolish to put out the same tired old tribalism. Neither USSR nor USA was perfect during WW2, and both looked after their own interests. But since there is so many posting of adulation for the Russian/USSR friends here, and predictable anti USA sentiment, it might be helpful to have a bit of perspective. Remember, in 1939 Poland was bombed, invaded and dismembered by BOTH Germany and USSR, thanks the alliance between the Nazis and USSR. Atrocities in Poland were committed by BOTH Nazi Germany and USSR (and in the Baltic states by USSR alone). Later, when the Nazis attacked Yugoslavia and bombed Belgrade, the USSR did absolutely nothing. Why? Because, at that time, they were allies of the fascists, not the Yugoslavs. Note – they did not come to the rescue. They chose to let Yugoslavia suffer.

This evil Germany/USSR pact ended NOT because of some moral or principled anti fascist stance by USSR – it ended because Germany invaded USSR . Germany ended it for selfish reasons; the USSR did not end it for principled reasons. Consequently, being abandoned and then attacked by their former Nazi friends, the USSR found some new friends and new alliances – and a new cause. Only then did it began to fight fascism in Europe. Of course, once it did, it did so bravely and often heroically. This is why the USSR and her brave army deserves our thanks and respect. But only from that point – prior to that, they did nothing to help Yugoslavia. In the early years of WW2, the USSR was the enemy of antifascism and so deserves our condemnation.

So the whole sorry story is somewhat complicated with neither side nor any state truly moral and principled.

Peace and respect

GRUK

Doesn't matter for whatever reason he is going, it is a impressive event that I had the chance to see while living in Moscow.

K-usa, thanks for showing your solidarity by contributing to the category of stupid comments!!

Good to see k-alb trolls crying that they were not included in celebration.

Where the albanians invited to this event....oh I forgot..they fought with the German Nazi's...now I remember....they were on the loosing side...

Naturally, Kosovo USA, you should be back in Tirana practicing the goose step and lifting your right arm.

Growing up in the US, we only really learned about WWII from the American/British point of view. Yes we knew the Soviets were the ones who captured Berlin, but emphasis was always placed on Dunkirk, the London Blitz, and D-Day. Stalingrad, Leningrad, Kursk, all these were largely side-notes, even though the Russians were already on the offensive a full year before the Normandy landing and fought their way to Berlin alone.

Looking objectively at the entire history of WWII-European campain, one cannot help to note the Russians took the worst of Hitler's Drang nach Osten. Outside the deathcamps themselves, I can't think of a worse Hell on Earth than Leningrad beseiged for three years. I couldn't imagine the Soviet Union coming back from the brink as it did in Stalingrad. And while I'm certainly no fan of Stalin's totalitarian policies, I couldn't think of a better army to capture Berlin and force dozens of high ranking Nazis to take their lives out of fear of being captured. Having lost anywhere between 20 - 30 million people out of 50 million total in the entire war, the Russians more than deserve their Victory Day.

I agree with many Russian historians when it comes to World War Two, US involvement wasn't needed to defeat Nazi Germany. I think it is fair to say that Nazi Germany lost the war after the Battle of Kursk in 1943 as that was Nazi Germany's last full scale major offensive and it was stopped by the Soviets. The US's main role was in the Pacific Theatre, yet American history books don't tell you about the 3 million+ Chinese soldiers who died fighting the Japanese. American history books don't like to tell you about what the former "Eastern Block" countries magnificently achieved in WW2 as it would not have looked good during the Cold War to big up the "communists". The thing that annoys me most about the US and WW2 is Hollywood. They portray the US as coming into Europe to save the day and defeating the Nazis single handedly. Then they'll portray some British soldiers as idiots (with South East English accents, because according to Americans all British sound like that) who have to be saved by American soldiers and consequently Americans see this as historical fact, when this simply isn't true. Hollywood doesn't even touch upon the Soviet Union when it comes to WW2. Americans just don't have a clue about World War Two and the ones who do know about it are denies and hide the truth as to what other countries did. Americans also don't know about American banks (ironically a lot were owned by Jews) funding Nazi Germany all the way until 1945.

I'm glad to say that I'm proud that my countrymen marched alongside the Russians, Polish, French, Armenians, Ukrainians etc today.

Ata-man

Чужой земли мы не хотим ни пяди,
Но и своей вершка не отдадим.

Congratulations !
(Rote, 9 May 2010 20:59)

Maybe not a cossack - but I have a very dangerous weapon: a canon. I mean, "Canon 5D". It is dangerous because it sees the truth of Albanian terror.

Enjoy my pictures.

http://www.b92.net/eng/news/comments.php?nav_id=67006

But of course you can take a train. This is Intercity Avala, pictures taken in autumn of 2008. Looks nice from outside, nice from inside - until you don't go to toilet. There you see the decoration on the wall. This is what they want. This is what we don't want.

http://img179.imageshack.us/img179/841/train1f.jpg

http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/2169/train2p.jpg

Lovely, isn't it:
http://img42.imageshack.us/img42/6812/train3g.jpg

People, do not feed the Albanian trolls.
(Niall O'Doherty, 9 May 2010 22:02)
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He really tries hard to provoke. Either that or he really is that silly.

Pres. Obama should have made more of an effort to attend.

Just out of curiosity, did the Germans show up?
(JC, 9 May 2010 14:26)
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Yes, Angela was there sitting next to Putin.
I wonder how that felt.

"I know US was invited, but they decline the invitation. hehehehe"
Kosovo-USA

You make a fool out of yourself again and again and again. America did take part, so did the british.
http://www.armchairgeneral.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1486665

What about the headline:
U.S., Britain, France to take part in May 9 parade in Moscow
http://en.rian.ru/russia/20100211/157846523.html

Hehehehehe!

Mike

Thank you for your comment ! We value very much the aid we received from the USA and I can give a long list of what it was. But we have no right to correct the history. In 1941 mobilization potential of Germany was estimated 23,5 millions and in 1945 it was totally exhausted. They had to use Folkshturm and Hitlerugend groups. The Nazi have lost some 500 000 in the Western theatres while their total losses are estimated 7-8 millions of the killed and 4-5 millions of the captured. Besides as you must know the most effective troops were always sent Eastward while in early 1945 they almost stopped to resist in the West.

I guess I know why this time Russia paid extra attention to the Victory Day. We were provoked long by the West. Hollywood did not lie. They just told only part of the truth. As a result young Americans believe in soldier Rian’s victory and know nothing of soldier Ivan. They even shoot a film where the Americans seize the famous Enigma decoding machine which in fact was captured by the English. Anyway we all deserve this Great Day and we have no right to let falsifications discredit what our ancestors have given their lives for. They too were young and they too loved to live …

In 2004 the West was celebrating the Overlord Operation D-Day and they never gave a word to Putin invited there to listen fairy tales and to applaud. In 2009 when the ceremony took place again they failed to even invite Medvedev … Meanwhile you must know than in a great degree the success of the operation was because of the Bagration Operation which deprived the Western German troops of any reinforcement. This is why we had to dot the “i” this May.


Congratulations !

Peter Sudyka,

Which version of "the truth" would you be talking about ?

Piotr let’s not tease each other. I don’t recall you what we two know and you don’t put me provocative questions. My truth was declared during the Parade and it was also said that “this is why they were awarded with the right to storm Berlin with us” So let’s talk only of what is certain. Woisko Polskoe ‘s tribute is undoubtful.

Rote

The reason I asked you is because I recall your opinion on Poland during WWII and it is just not true.

We had less collaboration with Nazis than any country in Europe and took part against them on all fronts, though you claim we were on their side and only Ludowe Wojsko Polskie and Bataliony Ch³opskie were on the right side.

Anyway, our nations are making great progress in reconcilliation, so let's not spoil this with opinions on the past, since that is all it is, the past, and has nothing to do with our future. Personally, I am very happy that Russia and Poland are on the road to reconciliation.