“Chances for Belgrade-Priština talks”

"BBC reported that the Belgrade-Priština talks will cover three main topics - decentralization, cultural heritage and northern Kosovo"

-- Well that's a simple 1-2-3 step:

Decentralzation = Pristina keeps it nose out of Serb enclaves south of the Ibar

Cultural heritage = Pristina recognizes the Serbian Orthodox Church has sole rights to its churches, landmarks, and other sites of Serbian importance. They can retain control over the statue to Bill Clinton, Hotel Victory, and other monuments of Albanian identity.

The North = Pristina doesn't control it.

Where do we sign?

"I bet that massive pressure is being exerted on the ICJ judges. I hope they don't relent."
(kate, 4 May 2010, 10:29)

"You sound just like Serb govermant officials. Even though Serbia asked for ICJ opinon, right after that, they keep making coments about pressure being put on ICJ Judges."

(Kosova-USA, 4 May 2010, 11:58)

You bring a new meaning to tenuous links. Just because Serbia asked for the advisory opinion does not mean that there isn't a fear of political pressure being put on the ICJ. Of course it will be.

I think that the ICJ is very likely to advise in Serbia's favour. Even immense political pressure cannot change very obvious facts about international law.

But it's my own comment and, although it's irrelevant, I am not actually one of 'you Serbs'.

As for sounding like a 'Serb govermant' official to your tainted Serbophobic cyber ears, I suppose that's not the worst thing in the world - as long as I'm following my own line of thought. Vuk seems highly articulate and very intelligent.

"The sources also claim that the international officials want Serbia to give up insisting on opening the question of Kosovo's status."

That's not news to anyone. But I do sense the proposal of a partition of Kosovo in the making.

Personally, I think that would be entirely wrong but possibly practical in some form or another.

"The diplomatic sources said that opening the talks about certain questions, excluding the status issue, may happen as soon as the International Court of Justice renders its advisory opinion..."

This is baffling. Does this mean that whatever the outcome of the ICJ decision, the 'plan' won't change?

That's either extreme arrogance or shortsightedness, because the outcome will have a huge effect on the issue and the legality of the situation.

I bet that massive pressure is being exerted on the ICJ judges. I hope they don't relent.

If the Kalbs are really willing to sit down and be flexible this can only be a good thing. I've always said it, partition is the only long term solution. Both win and lose something ergo a good deal.

PRN

Of course there won't be any more wars because you'll get your ass kicked and this time there won't be no NATO to do the fighting for you. Oh, I'd like to see you try stealing another inch of Serbian land. We are not willing to let you steal Kosovo much less any other part of our proud nation. However, perhaps the Americans will help you acheive your goal, but after they return the American continent to the native americans. Albania is Europes Afganistan. Everything will be done to contain what's lawless and prevent it from reaching the civilized world.

These are status negotiations without using that term. Why discuss the north otherwise?

The sell-outs need to be careful now not to sell Kosovo for some worthless EU carrots. Any mention of Kosovo as a member of the UN, even if not as a recognised country, need to be ruled out immediately.

I vote YES to such talks because that would be conducive to peace and stability of the region.
PRN
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I thought your way of bringing peace to the region includes stealing more of Serbias territory? Didn't you say you wouldn't rest until Nis and Kragujevac is under albanian control? I guess these talks should be about the swift handover of more parts of Serbia to the albanians. How many different personalites do you have inside that head of yours?

I bet that massive pressure is being exerted on the ICJ judges. I hope they don't relent.
(kate, 4 May 2010, 10:29)

You sound just like Serb govermant officials. Even though Serbia asked for ICJ opinon, right after that, they keep making coments about pressure being put on ICJ Judges. In the end, you will be able to say to Serb people that; we tried our best, but Kosova/o was able to buy all the judges at ICJ.
I am suprised that Kosova/o has more money and leverage on world stage.

"The sources also claim that the international officials want Serbia to give up insisting on opening the question of Kosovo's status."

Then what is there to talk about when the main question remains unanswered? Absurd!

Judging from the back channels it does look like there will be a compromise in the offing and it will most likely involve partition of Kosmet. If partition does come about there has to be an agreed formula that will be acceptable to all parties, both Belgrade and Tirana. Kosmet if partioned will simply not be economically or politically feasable to exist on its own.

The province can be spit into 3 ways.

1. Montenegro takes Pec & Decani. This would be acceptable to both Serbs and Albanians as Serbia's most holiest sites will not come under permenant Albanian control and ethnic Albanians in this sector will not be ruled by Belgrade.

2. Belgrade re-establishes control over the North (including all of Mitrovica), Gracanica and Strpce.

3. Tirana gets Prizren and Pristina and the remainder.

As Mike stated Serbian churches that reside under the jurisdictions of Podgorica or Tirana must remain under the control of the Serbian Orthodox Church.

Also ethnic groups that find themselves in another jurisdiction be accorded full civil rights and protection.

The Serbian churches and holy sites that end up under the jurisdiction of Tirana or Podgorica must be afforded full protection under the repsonsibility of the governing jurisdiction.

Presevo Valley remains under Belgrade control.

Of course many issues need to be ironed out but if a compromise is to be reached and partition is the outcome then it should be acceptable to all parties. All sides must give and take.

Lets hope the technical start ASAP so that official Belgrade ends its isolation and begin to participate in regional meetings.

I vote YES to such talks because that would be conducive to peace and stability of the region.

# Lets hope the technical start ASAP so that official Belgrade ends its isolation and begin to participate in regional meetings.

I vote YES to such talks because that would be conducive to peace and stability of the region.
(PRN, 4 May 2010 10:45)

yes, i agree, as i've indicated on numerous occasions. talks, real talks, not that phony baloney crap where the blgd regime tried to humiliate and dominate the kosovar delegation at each and every step (before independence). but real talks, w mutual respect. if blgd plays its usual tune, we should walk, pronto.

as for the icj, i have predicted all along that they will NEVER rule in favor of blgd and for the re-colonialization of kosova. it appears that people on the other side are prevaricating, as in: they SHOULD decide, they must decide, if not, they're nato puppets, etc. but it appears no one will say they WILL decide in serbia's favor. i believe that is the case because all of us know this will never, ever happen -- that little fun under slobo put all of that far beyond any doubt, despite all of your resolutions and russki influence, so-called territorial integrity (serboslavia), etc.

serbia will never control kosova again, nor bosnia -- keep yr hands to yrself. but if you can finally behave in a civilized manner, then we can talk and make some progress. here's to hoping.

roberto
frisco

im also not against technical talks between republic of kosovo and republic of serbia.serbs can have their loving churches in kosovo but not northern kosovo because northern kosovo was always a part of kosovo.

I thought your way of bringing peace to the region includes stealing more of Serbias territory? Didn't you say you wouldn't rest until Nis and Kragujevac is under albanian control? I guess these talks should be about the swift handover of more parts of Serbia to the albanians. How many different personalites do you have inside that head of yours?
(The Truth, 4 May 2010, 11:39)

Dear,

Calm down.
Nis and Kragujevac will come in a peaceful manner. Times of war is over for advanced societies.
Natural Albania is to be created BUT (hopefully) NOT through wars.

A functional partition is fine. Ethnic Albanians control their areas and Belgrade controls the rest (including those other loyal Serbian citizens such as the Gorani people).

If there is any discussion of a formal partition then a formula to partition BiH also needs to be considered.

PRN; How can you not see the reality right in front of your face.

If the Kosovo status is so concrete then what is there to talk about? Its obvious enough that you can only move on with Serbia's support, which will not happen from a seperete entity.

You are choosing to live in isoltion by declaring such an illegal act. No nation has anything to profit by doing any sort of business with you, you cannot survive alone.

Serbia on the other hand is not isolated whatsoever, havent you followed the news at all lately. Serbia is working very well with her other European neighbours, aswell as with Asia and Africa.

Your so-called "country" of Kosovo, has OTHER intrernationals lobying for you. No politician can take any of your officials seriously enough to work with you directly.

So before you jumo ahead of yourself on your keyboard, open your eyes, look around and smell the beautiful roses. Good day :)

@ mijari:

"im also not against technical talks between republic of kosovo and republic of serbia.serbs can have their loving churches in kosovo but not northern kosovo because northern kosovo was always a part of kosovo."

You do realise that this is nonsense, don't you? The north was added on by Tito after WWII to introduce a Serb element to the province. To claim that it is a historical part of Kosovo is simply wrong. If Kosovo was an annexed part of Serbia that deserves independence, then equally northern Kosovo was a historical part of Serbia that deserves to be returned to full Serbian authority.

It certainly seems like preparations are starting for new (status) talks based on a territorial readjustment in Serbia's favour in return for Serbia dropping its opposition to statehood (but not being required to recognise Kosovo itself for the meantime).

PRN

I guess once you take control over Nis and Kragujevac you want to make it like Albania: Albanian children sold--->
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YkUvOjnwE-Q

This is idle talk. Nothing significant has happened since the UDI and really nothing that anybody says is meaningful at this time. We have to wait patiently to see what the ICJ does before there is any substantial movement. Otherwise all we hear is a bunch of speculation and everyone jumps on some rumor like rumors equal reality. The fact is that Serbs haven't budged since the UDI and it doesn't appear that anything the Albanians or their supporters do will change that.

I vote YES to such talks because that would be conducive to peace and stability of the region.
(PRN, 4 May 2010 10:45)

yes, i agree, as i've indicated on numerous occasions. talks, real talks...
roberto
frisco
(roberto, 4 May 2010 21:41)
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Interesting that you picked PRN as your subject with his desire to control Niš and other parts of Serbia. It only demonstrates who belongs in the ultra nationalist camp.

You seem to forget that Serbians are already in control of large parts of KiM and BiH and we will eventually do what's best for us. The hypocrites can keep their ideas and advice to themselves as they will eventually fade away.

So my dear Otpor member, keep those interesting posts coming. You do us Serbians a great service. It's so nice to know that our ultra nationalist Albanians can do no wrong while we Serbians are to blame for everything.

Here's that link again. This really is Milosevic propaganda as it's obviously Serbia and not Albania. Check http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YkUvOjnwE-Q

but real talks, w mutual respect.
roberto
frisco
(roberto, 4 May 2010 21:41)

Please suggest a Kosovar politician who enjoys respect. Rugova looking at these criminals and turning in grave 7/24.

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if blgd plays its usual tune, we should walk, pronto.
roberto
frisco
(roberto, 4 May 2010 21:41)

"We"? "Pronto"? LOL.

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as for the icj, i have predicted all along that they will NEVER rule in favor of blgd
roberto
frisco
(roberto, 4 May 2010 21:41)

I would never predict any court ruling. See O.J. Simpson.
And if the court rules not the way you expect... than it looks silly. This is why all I do about the ICJ is just crossing my fingers and shutting up my mouth.

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and for the re-colonialization of kosova.
roberto
frisco
(roberto, 4 May 2010 21:41)

Kosova was colonized by Albanians. The entire world knows it, it is constantly proven over and over. They don't even have their own word for "Kosovo". Albanians are total newcomers to Kosovo. The only sources which deny that fact are... Albanian ones. You were duped.

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it appears that people on the other side are prevaricating
roberto
frisco
(roberto, 4 May 2010 21:41)

So for you there is "other side"? Stockholm syndrome? Sorry, Roberto - if you believe in "other side" you are completely off. There is no "other side", only inside of you. You fight your own "other side". Aha...

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that little fun under slobo
roberto
frisco
(roberto, 4 May 2010 21:41)

And that little fun under McCarthy... Slobo is in hell now, boiling next to McCarthy, so what?

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put all of that far beyond any doubt, despite all of your resolutions and russki influence, so-called territorial integrity (serboslavia), etc.
roberto
frisco
(roberto, 4 May 2010 21:41)

Yeah... "russki influence", "Serboslavia"... It's not Serboslavia, Roberto - but Stockholm and that's inside of you.

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serbia will never control kosova again, nor bosnia -- keep yr hands to yrself.
roberto
frisco
(roberto, 4 May 2010 21:41)

They may control America or maybe Antarctica will control Croatia... who knows what will happen in next 1000 years? But I am sure if America behaves like it does, there won't be "next" 1000 years for humans. And indeed, Antarctica will control Croatia than... "thanks" to attitude of American establishment.

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but if you can finally behave in a civilized manner, then we can talk and make some progress. here's to hoping.

roberto
frisco
(roberto, 4 May 2010 21:41)

You see - that's precisely the attitude of American establishment: "you do not behave in a civilized manner - you will become an uncivilized smoking nuclear crater because our bombs are humanitarian and civilized." Who is to judge, what "civilized manner" is? American establishment? Than I say "Iraq", "Gitmo" and other things... like "Hiroshima", "Dresden", "Hildesheim", "Köln", "Nürnberg", "Frankfurt", "Nagasaki"... nice list isn't it?

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BTW: you still ow me an explanation who are Bosnians, who are Croatians and who are Serbs. For myself - I am not sure. Neither are many scientists. Because "muslim versus catholic versus orthodox" does not qualify for being an ethnic element. What else remains?

Nice plans of partition you are all making. But there is a major flaw. Put it anyway you want, part of Serbian territory will be severed, and Serbia will lose piece of it. This cannot be done without taking Bosnia into consideration. Compensation would be acceptable, otherwise it's not. And in the end it would be nothing more then recognizing reality - Serbia doesn't control anything south of Ibar, although it's its territory. In the same way you may consider North to be Kosovo, but the fact is that you don't control it. Same goes for RS in Bosnia.
Let's then recognize this reality and move on.

I bet that massive pressure is being exerted on the ICJ judges. I hope they don't relent.
(kate, 4 May 2010 10:29)

Pressuring a judge is a two-edged sword. Sure, some judges can be bought. But there are chances there are many judges who will be totally upset at any pressure.

It's like the speeding ticket: should you bribe the cop or not? If you try to bribe the cop in many cases you will be reported by the cop himself with an extra offense. People usually feel well when they can talk the cop out of ticket... or maybe pay him.

This is likely not the case. I am sure, there are attempts to bribe /pressure the ICJ judges. I just hope, it's not from the Serbia / Russia team.

It also brings back the usual "recognition" problem.
How many times did we hear somewhat like

"We are proud, we can bribe entire countries to let us recognize. This is within the game rules. You are loser because you don't bribe any country".

I think, these "bought" recognitions could well back-fire. ICJ is a court and an obviously bought recognition is basically admitting "my case is in trouble, I have to use bribery". Judges do not like this kind of stuff, but as I said, ICJ is a game of chance. Serbia is 100% correct to use that chance.

It certainly seems like preparations are starting for new (status) talks based on a territorial readjustment in Serbia's favour in return for Serbia dropping its opposition to statehood (but not being required to recognise Kosovo itself for the meantime).
(Jim, 4 May 2010 18:42)

It sounds like Belgrade is about to capitulate as evidenced by comments by Jim above as well as those of Mike and Niall elsewhere on this topic . I must say, you fellows are putting your best possible spin on this supposed "development". Bravo!

I thought your way of bringing peace to the region includes stealing more of Serbias territory? Didn't you say you wouldn't rest until Nis and Kragujevac is under albanian control? I guess these talks should be about the swift handover of more parts of Serbia to the albanians. How many different personalites do you have inside that head of yours?
(The Truth, 4 May 2010, 11:39)

Dear,

Calm down.
Nis and Kragujevac will come in a peaceful manner. Times of war is over for advanced societies.
Natural Albania is to be created BUT (hopefully) NOT through wars.

# Lets hope the technical start ASAP so that official Belgrade ends its isolation and begin to participate in regional meetings.

I vote YES to such talks because that would be conducive to peace and stability of the region.
(PRN, 4 May 2010 10:45)

yes, i agree, as i've indicated on numerous occasions. talks, real talks, not that phony baloney crap where the blgd regime tried to humiliate and dominate the kosovar delegation at each and every step (before independence). but real talks, w mutual respect. if blgd plays its usual tune, we should walk, pronto.

as for the icj, i have predicted all along that they will NEVER rule in favor of blgd and for the re-colonialization of kosova. it appears that people on the other side are prevaricating, as in: they SHOULD decide, they must decide, if not, they're nato puppets, etc. but it appears no one will say they WILL decide in serbia's favor. i believe that is the case because all of us know this will never, ever happen -- that little fun under slobo put all of that far beyond any doubt, despite all of your resolutions and russki influence, so-called territorial integrity (serboslavia), etc.

serbia will never control kosova again, nor bosnia -- keep yr hands to yrself. but if you can finally behave in a civilized manner, then we can talk and make some progress. here's to hoping.

roberto
frisco

I bet that massive pressure is being exerted on the ICJ judges. I hope they don't relent.
(kate, 4 May 2010, 10:29)

You sound just like Serb govermant officials. Even though Serbia asked for ICJ opinon, right after that, they keep making coments about pressure being put on ICJ Judges. In the end, you will be able to say to Serb people that; we tried our best, but Kosova/o was able to buy all the judges at ICJ.
I am suprised that Kosova/o has more money and leverage on world stage.

Lets hope the technical start ASAP so that official Belgrade ends its isolation and begin to participate in regional meetings.

I vote YES to such talks because that would be conducive to peace and stability of the region.

im also not against technical talks between republic of kosovo and republic of serbia.serbs can have their loving churches in kosovo but not northern kosovo because northern kosovo was always a part of kosovo.

"The sources also claim that the international officials want Serbia to give up insisting on opening the question of Kosovo's status."

That's not news to anyone. But I do sense the proposal of a partition of Kosovo in the making.

Personally, I think that would be entirely wrong but possibly practical in some form or another.

"The diplomatic sources said that opening the talks about certain questions, excluding the status issue, may happen as soon as the International Court of Justice renders its advisory opinion..."

This is baffling. Does this mean that whatever the outcome of the ICJ decision, the 'plan' won't change?

That's either extreme arrogance or shortsightedness, because the outcome will have a huge effect on the issue and the legality of the situation.

I bet that massive pressure is being exerted on the ICJ judges. I hope they don't relent.

These are status negotiations without using that term. Why discuss the north otherwise?

The sell-outs need to be careful now not to sell Kosovo for some worthless EU carrots. Any mention of Kosovo as a member of the UN, even if not as a recognised country, need to be ruled out immediately.

A functional partition is fine. Ethnic Albanians control their areas and Belgrade controls the rest (including those other loyal Serbian citizens such as the Gorani people).

If there is any discussion of a formal partition then a formula to partition BiH also needs to be considered.

"The sources also claim that the international officials want Serbia to give up insisting on opening the question of Kosovo's status."

Then what is there to talk about when the main question remains unanswered? Absurd!

I vote YES to such talks because that would be conducive to peace and stability of the region.
PRN
-----------------------

I thought your way of bringing peace to the region includes stealing more of Serbias territory? Didn't you say you wouldn't rest until Nis and Kragujevac is under albanian control? I guess these talks should be about the swift handover of more parts of Serbia to the albanians. How many different personalites do you have inside that head of yours?

Judging from the back channels it does look like there will be a compromise in the offing and it will most likely involve partition of Kosmet. If partition does come about there has to be an agreed formula that will be acceptable to all parties, both Belgrade and Tirana. Kosmet if partioned will simply not be economically or politically feasable to exist on its own.

The province can be spit into 3 ways.

1. Montenegro takes Pec & Decani. This would be acceptable to both Serbs and Albanians as Serbia's most holiest sites will not come under permenant Albanian control and ethnic Albanians in this sector will not be ruled by Belgrade.

2. Belgrade re-establishes control over the North (including all of Mitrovica), Gracanica and Strpce.

3. Tirana gets Prizren and Pristina and the remainder.

As Mike stated Serbian churches that reside under the jurisdictions of Podgorica or Tirana must remain under the control of the Serbian Orthodox Church.

Also ethnic groups that find themselves in another jurisdiction be accorded full civil rights and protection.

The Serbian churches and holy sites that end up under the jurisdiction of Tirana or Podgorica must be afforded full protection under the repsonsibility of the governing jurisdiction.

Presevo Valley remains under Belgrade control.

Of course many issues need to be ironed out but if a compromise is to be reached and partition is the outcome then it should be acceptable to all parties. All sides must give and take.

PRN

I guess once you take control over Nis and Kragujevac you want to make it like Albania: Albanian children sold--->
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YkUvOjnwE-Q

PRN

Of course there won't be any more wars because you'll get your ass kicked and this time there won't be no NATO to do the fighting for you. Oh, I'd like to see you try stealing another inch of Serbian land. We are not willing to let you steal Kosovo much less any other part of our proud nation. However, perhaps the Americans will help you acheive your goal, but after they return the American continent to the native americans. Albania is Europes Afganistan. Everything will be done to contain what's lawless and prevent it from reaching the civilized world.

"BBC reported that the Belgrade-Priština talks will cover three main topics - decentralization, cultural heritage and northern Kosovo"

-- Well that's a simple 1-2-3 step:

Decentralzation = Pristina keeps it nose out of Serb enclaves south of the Ibar

Cultural heritage = Pristina recognizes the Serbian Orthodox Church has sole rights to its churches, landmarks, and other sites of Serbian importance. They can retain control over the statue to Bill Clinton, Hotel Victory, and other monuments of Albanian identity.

The North = Pristina doesn't control it.

Where do we sign?

I vote YES to such talks because that would be conducive to peace and stability of the region.
(PRN, 4 May 2010 10:45)

yes, i agree, as i've indicated on numerous occasions. talks, real talks...
roberto
frisco
(roberto, 4 May 2010 21:41)
--
Interesting that you picked PRN as your subject with his desire to control Niš and other parts of Serbia. It only demonstrates who belongs in the ultra nationalist camp.

You seem to forget that Serbians are already in control of large parts of KiM and BiH and we will eventually do what's best for us. The hypocrites can keep their ideas and advice to themselves as they will eventually fade away.

So my dear Otpor member, keep those interesting posts coming. You do us Serbians a great service. It's so nice to know that our ultra nationalist Albanians can do no wrong while we Serbians are to blame for everything.

Here's that link again. This really is Milosevic propaganda as it's obviously Serbia and not Albania. Check http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YkUvOjnwE-Q

@ mijari:

"im also not against technical talks between republic of kosovo and republic of serbia.serbs can have their loving churches in kosovo but not northern kosovo because northern kosovo was always a part of kosovo."

You do realise that this is nonsense, don't you? The north was added on by Tito after WWII to introduce a Serb element to the province. To claim that it is a historical part of Kosovo is simply wrong. If Kosovo was an annexed part of Serbia that deserves independence, then equally northern Kosovo was a historical part of Serbia that deserves to be returned to full Serbian authority.

It certainly seems like preparations are starting for new (status) talks based on a territorial readjustment in Serbia's favour in return for Serbia dropping its opposition to statehood (but not being required to recognise Kosovo itself for the meantime).

Nice plans of partition you are all making. But there is a major flaw. Put it anyway you want, part of Serbian territory will be severed, and Serbia will lose piece of it. This cannot be done without taking Bosnia into consideration. Compensation would be acceptable, otherwise it's not. And in the end it would be nothing more then recognizing reality - Serbia doesn't control anything south of Ibar, although it's its territory. In the same way you may consider North to be Kosovo, but the fact is that you don't control it. Same goes for RS in Bosnia.
Let's then recognize this reality and move on.

PRN; How can you not see the reality right in front of your face.

If the Kosovo status is so concrete then what is there to talk about? Its obvious enough that you can only move on with Serbia's support, which will not happen from a seperete entity.

You are choosing to live in isoltion by declaring such an illegal act. No nation has anything to profit by doing any sort of business with you, you cannot survive alone.

Serbia on the other hand is not isolated whatsoever, havent you followed the news at all lately. Serbia is working very well with her other European neighbours, aswell as with Asia and Africa.

Your so-called "country" of Kosovo, has OTHER intrernationals lobying for you. No politician can take any of your officials seriously enough to work with you directly.

So before you jumo ahead of yourself on your keyboard, open your eyes, look around and smell the beautiful roses. Good day :)

This is idle talk. Nothing significant has happened since the UDI and really nothing that anybody says is meaningful at this time. We have to wait patiently to see what the ICJ does before there is any substantial movement. Otherwise all we hear is a bunch of speculation and everyone jumps on some rumor like rumors equal reality. The fact is that Serbs haven't budged since the UDI and it doesn't appear that anything the Albanians or their supporters do will change that.

"I bet that massive pressure is being exerted on the ICJ judges. I hope they don't relent."
(kate, 4 May 2010, 10:29)

"You sound just like Serb govermant officials. Even though Serbia asked for ICJ opinon, right after that, they keep making coments about pressure being put on ICJ Judges."

(Kosova-USA, 4 May 2010, 11:58)

You bring a new meaning to tenuous links. Just because Serbia asked for the advisory opinion does not mean that there isn't a fear of political pressure being put on the ICJ. Of course it will be.

I think that the ICJ is very likely to advise in Serbia's favour. Even immense political pressure cannot change very obvious facts about international law.

But it's my own comment and, although it's irrelevant, I am not actually one of 'you Serbs'.

As for sounding like a 'Serb govermant' official to your tainted Serbophobic cyber ears, I suppose that's not the worst thing in the world - as long as I'm following my own line of thought. Vuk seems highly articulate and very intelligent.

but real talks, w mutual respect.
roberto
frisco
(roberto, 4 May 2010 21:41)

Please suggest a Kosovar politician who enjoys respect. Rugova looking at these criminals and turning in grave 7/24.

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if blgd plays its usual tune, we should walk, pronto.
roberto
frisco
(roberto, 4 May 2010 21:41)

"We"? "Pronto"? LOL.

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as for the icj, i have predicted all along that they will NEVER rule in favor of blgd
roberto
frisco
(roberto, 4 May 2010 21:41)

I would never predict any court ruling. See O.J. Simpson.
And if the court rules not the way you expect... than it looks silly. This is why all I do about the ICJ is just crossing my fingers and shutting up my mouth.

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and for the re-colonialization of kosova.
roberto
frisco
(roberto, 4 May 2010 21:41)

Kosova was colonized by Albanians. The entire world knows it, it is constantly proven over and over. They don't even have their own word for "Kosovo". Albanians are total newcomers to Kosovo. The only sources which deny that fact are... Albanian ones. You were duped.

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it appears that people on the other side are prevaricating
roberto
frisco
(roberto, 4 May 2010 21:41)

So for you there is "other side"? Stockholm syndrome? Sorry, Roberto - if you believe in "other side" you are completely off. There is no "other side", only inside of you. You fight your own "other side". Aha...

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that little fun under slobo
roberto
frisco
(roberto, 4 May 2010 21:41)

And that little fun under McCarthy... Slobo is in hell now, boiling next to McCarthy, so what?

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put all of that far beyond any doubt, despite all of your resolutions and russki influence, so-called territorial integrity (serboslavia), etc.
roberto
frisco
(roberto, 4 May 2010 21:41)

Yeah... "russki influence", "Serboslavia"... It's not Serboslavia, Roberto - but Stockholm and that's inside of you.

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serbia will never control kosova again, nor bosnia -- keep yr hands to yrself.
roberto
frisco
(roberto, 4 May 2010 21:41)

They may control America or maybe Antarctica will control Croatia... who knows what will happen in next 1000 years? But I am sure if America behaves like it does, there won't be "next" 1000 years for humans. And indeed, Antarctica will control Croatia than... "thanks" to attitude of American establishment.

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but if you can finally behave in a civilized manner, then we can talk and make some progress. here's to hoping.

roberto
frisco
(roberto, 4 May 2010 21:41)

You see - that's precisely the attitude of American establishment: "you do not behave in a civilized manner - you will become an uncivilized smoking nuclear crater because our bombs are humanitarian and civilized." Who is to judge, what "civilized manner" is? American establishment? Than I say "Iraq", "Gitmo" and other things... like "Hiroshima", "Dresden", "Hildesheim", "Köln", "Nürnberg", "Frankfurt", "Nagasaki"... nice list isn't it?

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BTW: you still ow me an explanation who are Bosnians, who are Croatians and who are Serbs. For myself - I am not sure. Neither are many scientists. Because "muslim versus catholic versus orthodox" does not qualify for being an ethnic element. What else remains?

I bet that massive pressure is being exerted on the ICJ judges. I hope they don't relent.
(kate, 4 May 2010 10:29)

Pressuring a judge is a two-edged sword. Sure, some judges can be bought. But there are chances there are many judges who will be totally upset at any pressure.

It's like the speeding ticket: should you bribe the cop or not? If you try to bribe the cop in many cases you will be reported by the cop himself with an extra offense. People usually feel well when they can talk the cop out of ticket... or maybe pay him.

This is likely not the case. I am sure, there are attempts to bribe /pressure the ICJ judges. I just hope, it's not from the Serbia / Russia team.

It also brings back the usual "recognition" problem.
How many times did we hear somewhat like

"We are proud, we can bribe entire countries to let us recognize. This is within the game rules. You are loser because you don't bribe any country".

I think, these "bought" recognitions could well back-fire. ICJ is a court and an obviously bought recognition is basically admitting "my case is in trouble, I have to use bribery". Judges do not like this kind of stuff, but as I said, ICJ is a game of chance. Serbia is 100% correct to use that chance.

If the Kalbs are really willing to sit down and be flexible this can only be a good thing. I've always said it, partition is the only long term solution. Both win and lose something ergo a good deal.

It certainly seems like preparations are starting for new (status) talks based on a territorial readjustment in Serbia's favour in return for Serbia dropping its opposition to statehood (but not being required to recognise Kosovo itself for the meantime).
(Jim, 4 May 2010 18:42)

It sounds like Belgrade is about to capitulate as evidenced by comments by Jim above as well as those of Mike and Niall elsewhere on this topic . I must say, you fellows are putting your best possible spin on this supposed "development". Bravo!