K. Albanian analyst expects “new talks”

Serbia destabilizing Kosovo? Excuse me don't blame the Serbs for the failure of your temporary institution in Pristina. Blame Sejdiu and Thaci instead.
If you want to resolve this, Well! sit down with Belgrade and discuss the future of Kosovo Province and find a WIN – WIN solution acceptable to both side.

It is the udi that is the destabilising factor. It is not acceptable to Serbia and it is not the form of autonomy in 1244.

Serbia has a right to defend its territory and you can reasonably expect the disruptions to continue indefinitely.

The current Serbian government is a softy compared to what could be - this is the ideal time to negotiate a settlement that gives proper autonomy but with Serbia fulfilling its proper democratic role.

The best future for Kosovo would be for Serbia to lead it into the EU.

The hinderance to this process is the continuation of the mono-ethnic ambition of the Albanians who live in the Serbian province of Kosovo. It has suited the west's purposes to impose group punishment on Serbia because of Milosevic, but the real reason is because the west is scared that the Albanians will fight.

Serbs (including good peace-loving friends of mine) were being driven out of Kosovo by Albanians long before Milosevic. It is because of my regard for these friends that I get so worked up by the injustice being done by the west on this issue. The udi is a reward for racist mono-ethnic ambition that deliberately provoked a war.

The main cause of the problem is to do with demographics and resources. Albania is big on family sizes and low on resources - spreading to neighbouring territory is ok - but not to drive out the inhabitants and steal the land. If breeding lots of population enables the take over of land from other states, then that should be written into international law as being an acceptable form of invasion. Then London will soon be part of the Caribbean and Paris will soon be part of Algeria!

The udi is a mistake, and it should not sustain. Milosevic was wrong, but Milosevic is gone. There should be autonomy, cooperation and agreement, but there should not be this unjustifiable land grab of Serbian territory.

The Kosovo Albanian journalist and analyst believes that the Western Balkans region still faces instability, and says it is Serbia who is “destabilizing Kosovo and the whole region with its policies”.

-- Oh come now Surroi, you're too intelligent to be part of the "let's blame all of our political, economic, and social shortcomings on Belgrade" crowd - especially when Albanians can allegedly count on the support from "most of the free world". If "new talks" are going to happen, as many suspect, both Belgrade and Pristina are going to have to make some hard decisions in the name of moving forward and that most likely will require Pristina to also abandon foolish efforts at destabilizing the region through repeated attempts at trying to control the K-Serbs.

Might I once again suggest we Cantonize/Daytonize the damn thing? I know everyone says "we don't want another Cyprus or Bosnia on our hands" but the wonderfully terrible thing about both those cases is that one side doesn't do anything to destabilize the other. The problems are contained and compartmentalized.

"and says it is Serbia who is “destabilizing Kosovo and the whole region with its policies”.
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What policies? Legality?

Who is this guy? Now you are admitting the dependancy you have on Serbia but will a false mask at hand. I thought your "independance" had nothing to do with Serbian policies or attitude towards that declaration.

This week has shown some significance in the Serbia favor indeed, politicians are begining to see the reality that the Kosovo issue is an issus, and that's all it is. Your "declaration" means nothing if Serbia doesnt recognize it. This is exactly what your politicians are slowly realizing.

Good luck with this folks; it seems like this is going to be a tough one, :)

"Nice bet Mike. I see your "Cantonization of Kosova" with "Cantonization of Serbia" and raise you with Kosova joining Albania.
Problem solved once and for all."
Zoti

You think Serbs care if Kosovo is independent entirely or a part of Albania? You can join the planet Mars if you wish but you won't do so with all of Kosovo. Some parts are liberated and still part of Serbia. And please stop with your threats. "We will do this or that if you don't do as we say". Why don't you promise work, peace, freedom of movement, etc rather then threats and intimidation?

Resolution 1244 must be respected. The new negotiations will mentally prepare Albanians to accept re-integration by demoralizing them further after the ICJ rulling. A few extremists among them will rebell with their KPS pistols & hunting rifles and be put down violently by EULEX & the Serbian Army sometime in late 2011 or early 2012.

Might I once again suggest we Cantonize/Daytonize the damn thing?
(Mike, 3 May 2010)

Nice bet Mike. I see your "Cantonization of Kosova" with "Cantonization of Serbia" and raise you with Kosova joining Albania.
Problem solved once and for all.

whoever should make the mistake to make concessions in some "secret negotiations" should be aware of the consequences.

there is nothing to give to the k-albanian separatists, except autonomy.

Mr.Tadic should think about that.

as for the socalled "analyst" - since when is Mr.Surroi an analyst???

quite laughable.

You think Serbs care if Kosovo is independent entirely or a part of Albania? You can join the planet Mars if you wish but you won't do so with all of Kosovo. Some parts are liberated and still part of Serbia. And please stop with your threats. "We will do this or that if you don't do as we say". Why don't you promise work, peace, freedom of movement, etc rather then threats and intimidation?
(Mikael C, 3 May 2010)

I never have dealt with Serbs in my life but from my short experience here at B92 this is the only language you understand. Oh and in case you missed it, it was Mike who "threatened" with "cantonization" and I simply replied with something along the lines of "what's good for the goose..."

You guys provoke a war and then you blame Serbia for all your problems.

Serbia is not your problem. KLA is and all the other extremists.
You would all be living a better life now if not for your land grab and greed.

Imagine this arrogance. I rob you and when you won't stop pursuing me for return of your property I will blame you for my headaches.

Are you for real???

"I see your "Cantonization of Kosova" with "Cantonization of Serbia" and raise you with Kosova joining Albania.
Problem solved once and for all." (Zoti)

-- Didn't we talk about this at one point? Joint Belgrade-Tirana administration of Kosovo on a muncipality by municipality basis with a Pristina-Mitrovica nuget center?

Why not? Kosovo is a "special case" after all...

Bob, Truudsman

Bob what was Milosevic wrong of...please waiting for some evidence to back your false accusation? Was he wrong for stopping the formation of another MILITARY on soveriegn territory. Where are you from Bob, that sounds like an American name do you live in America? What would the US do if Islam created a military on its own territory and started to bomb, murder, kill and destory government institutions, people, police, Serbs were actually too weak and should've used as the AMERICAN GENERALS would say brute force to overcome the enemy. If anything milosevic is guilty of it is he didn't use enough military to stop an ILLEGAL TERRORIST insurgency on the territory of Serbia. So, please waiting for some real evidence, not the same fairytale story of CNN and BBC that Serbs wanted a greater serbia blah blah blah just like their were weapons of mass destruction in iraq right...yeah right...

Truudsman still waiting for your response you made a lot of allegations in the name of Serbs and i won't allow that, you need evidence to make those claims.
I'm sick and tired of croats, albanians and muslims from Bosnia thinking they can say whatever they want and accuse serbs of anyting and everything without any evidence, that time of lies is done, we are working very hard with the evangelical Christian church all across the world to bring to light the Truth about what happened in the balkans from the enslavement of Serbs under Islam for 500 years to WWI, WWII, and 90's till now, the world will hear the truth -

Zoti,
do you really think Serbs are scared of your threats? Serbs fought the largest armies in the world and guess what they won. Serbs beat the turks, Serbs beat the austrian hungarians, I lived in China for two years and they still study the Serbian military, Serbs are heroes around the world, in WWII the nazis lost. In the 90's USA the strongest country ever in history and NATO the two largest militaries could not defeat Serbia, that is why there is Repulika Srpska and that is why UN resolution 1244 was signed that guarenteed Kosovo apart of Serbia,
you can make all the threats you want, you know what they say bad boys walk in silence and the cowards run their mouth.

veton surroi is one of the best-known intellectuals of his generation from kosova. his paper, koha dita, was really a beacon in the darkness for many years, and of course he was targeted by serb forces in '99 but managed to escape which is more than we can say for some other 12,000 victims and many more casualties but who's counting (here)?

one of the great shames, as i have repeated (tried to) so many times is the invisibility of the dissident intellectuals from these pages. we are all the poorer without them, and the dialogue, such as it is, goes downhill so quickly.

as for the specifics of his comments, i agree, esp. about the 2 main points:

1 - serbia (present day, not just milosevic) is the central destabilizer of the region and of kosova and bosnia in particular. it needs to stop and should not be tolerated by the intl community, so called.

2- poverty is always the enemy of the people and of progress. of course it is not something new for the people of kosova but it isn't getting appreciably better. there are numerous reasons for it, and i don't see that any of us are exactly experts at the fix-up. but clearly if the people(s) of the region worked together instead of trying to degrade one another (see point 1) it couldn't hurt. basically there needs to be more foreign investment, but this is delayed by the cont'd instability (see point 1, again.)

as for cantonization, daytonization -- it stinks! and everyone knows it. it leads nowhere except to further apartheid and festering of tensions and ugliness. rotten idea, sorry.

thanks, veton, for speaking out.

roberto, frisco

Surroi was here in Bloomington, Indiana at a conference on the Milosevic trial. He was kind of a "guest of honor" and had a short talk about his role in "negotiation" with Milosevic and the Serbs in general prior to the illegal bombing campaign against Serbia. He is indeed a smart man with more sensibilities than the normal Kosovo Albanian intellectual/leader, and with a certain calmness and relaxed look as well. I think he was able to sway most of the conference attendees with his stories, but that isn't a surprise as most of them are pro-Albanian/anti-Serb. I was probably the only one ready to challenge his words and claims, but I chose to be civil as I would have probably gone too far. I now wish I had done that and given him a real lecture on the supposed "virtues" of the Albanian cause in Kosovo. I would have brought up how his people have ethnically cleansed almost the entire Serbian population from an area that was and is always Serbia's legitimate birthright. I also would have mentioned the treacherous conversion of his people from Chrisianity to the Turkish religion, and how that sell-out has put them and the Serbs at odds ever since. People wonder why Serbs and Albanians don't get along...I think it is simple: they have been abusing us with the help of more powerful "friends" for centuries going back to the Turks up through the Austrians, Italian, Germans, and now the majority of the EU and the US.

oh? and as soon as discussion between serbia and kosovo are planed,here we have Veton,he misses soooooooo much his serbian fellow!!!!
But veton WE do not and we will not have 2secret talks2.each of us has the right to say and to decide about kosovo!Times of secret talks are definitivly gone!We have to decide,not belgrad ,not bruxelles,but we will decide how and with whom we can live or not!
As for Serbia,no thanks,forget it!

He believes that there is “no real possibility at this moment for the Western Balkans countries to join the EU before 2020, so the next ten years should be used to regulate the situation in this part of Europe”.
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Like seirously, is he a genius or what? Does anyone on this forum know who this guy is? Or what his credentials are.

How does he expect at all for Kosovo (southern province of Serbia) to get in the EU as a seperate entity from Serbia?

Firstly; If anything, Serbia will be in first, vetoeing any attempt for Kosovo to have a chance. And Serbia will not be alone in this.

Secondly; No country in the Balkans should even concider the EU as a grasp at prosperity. Look at the reality mates.

Thirdly; I sure hope "his people" recognize the rubbish he is spilling. He is enforcing false hopes for poor people to just take in. Shame on him and his superiors.

One doesnt have to look too far to recognize what is really happening in the Balkans. Everyone wants a peace, US/EU/NATO and of course UN. They will always be "needed" their.... So a little food for thought ladies and gentlemen, what is it that is soo precious in the Balkans that everyone wants their hands on?

HAH hilarious... this will expose the fact that even surroi has to recognize theres no way out for Kosovo but #1244. :) CCCC

Serbia had the KLA until the US stepped in. The US arranged a cease-fire which the KLA ignored. Serbia responded and the US then intensified it's efforts on demonizing 'Serbs' using the media as it's primary weapon.

lili who said anything about secret talks. If they were going on you wouldn't be talking about it, trust me.

Besides, the reason why things got so bad in the first place is because there were no proper negotiations. Belgrade had the upper hand then, but did not negotiate as it should have. This was a mistake and now you advocate the same policy.

Well, in the end it won't matter if you want to obstruct talks, they will go ahead and if there are too many Albanians who think like you, you can be certain that they will be secret.

Adopt a mature attitude on the other hand and your politicians might start to be more honest and open with you.

Taylor,

I replied to your blissfull comments, but somehow they didn't make through. I wonder why...

Now, I dont reject what you have claimed so far, but I would appreciate for you not to put words into my mouth. What worries me about you, is that you claim to be Serbian, what worries me more is that also claim to be a man belonging to the church. This is ver unsettling concidering what you have posted on this site.

But I will not argue with you; You automatically reject anything I say that goes against you and you choose to manipulate the argument, taking it completly out of context.


Have a good day.

Hard to believer that there are still supporters of Milosevic posting here, who prise his deeds and politics which indeed caused a disaster for the whole Balkans - and especially for Serbia.
(Top, 5 May 2010)

I'm not surprised at all. As a matter of fact if Milosevic was alive today he'd probably have 35-40% of the Serb electorate.

During Bush's disastrous 8 year reign he still managed to have 30% approval rating and if he ran for president he would easily get 45% against Obama.

Never underestimate the stupidity of people and how commonly they vote against their own interests.

" ...If you want to resolve this, Well! sit down with Belgrade and discuss the future of Kosovo Province and find a WIN – WIN solution acceptable to both side"

I really do not see the point why would any possible further talks solve anything. Please let’s not forget that Kosovo/a between 1974 and 1989 had its autonomy and it was (at least on paper) equal to other federal units in the former Yugoslavia.

Just before the wars, most Yugoslav federal units wanted (Serbia not included) to form a new order based on some sort of loose confederation with less central control from Belgrade/Serbia. Serbia didn’t like that and we had one minor (Slovenia) and three major (Croatia, Bosnia, and Kosovo/a) wars. I am not pointing any fingers here as I am sure we were all responsible for them.

Now Kosovo/a has declared independence before which there were years (at least 5 or 6 years) of trying to find a solution – neither side was giving in and they were both holding to its extremes, i.e. Serbia wanted to give autonomy back to Kosovo/a and Kosovo/a wanted to become independent.

So I implore you all to stop going on about further possible talks which it is evident would not persuade Serbia nor Kosovo/a to find a Win – Win solution, because there isn’t one.

@SiriusBlack~~~~ 5 or 6 years of talks is nothing ! the british and irish talked for decades ..the jews and arabs have talked for decades and no one thinks or thought to give up on negotiations in such situations.

its only when one side is guaranteed an outcome that talks fail.

no one sees a pre 1999 outcome to kosovo but a post 1999 or 2008 version will never function properly.

ok the EU and US have stolen a part of serbia and given it the albanians.. fine they have shown they are big enough to do that..but now we need a closing chapter to this saga !!

One more thing I have to say.

The Kosovo Albanian journalist and analyst believes that the Western Balkans region still faces instability, and says it is Serbia who is “destabilizing Kosovo and the whole region with its policies”.

Similar statements are coming from several sources lately.
Michael Giffoni, EU envoy for Norther Kosovo, former Italian ambassador to Pristina said:

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“A feeling of some kind of division is very evident in (Kosovska) Mitrovica, and that is something that the EU does not like."

(Really!!?? I was not under impression that EU does not like divisions when it comes to former Yugoslavia...)

Then he went on to call for "more pragmatic approach from Belgrade" as this would contribute to "stability" in the region, etc.
German diplomat went as far to say that Serbian policy is "aggressive"...

There you have it, Serbia is again factor of instability (and aggression) in the Balkan.

I'm sure that everyone, regardless of their political opinion or views of Kosovo can agree that use of force by anyone would be a great factor of instability.
Serbia on its part have made a commitment that it will fight for Kosovo by political means, and not by use of force.
Lately, there were several attempts of "law enforcement" by Pristina. For example, they are attempting to enforce their cell-phones licensing laws, while it is not at all clear (to put it mildly) what legal system should be in place in Kosovo. Sure, Pristina declared independence unilaterally, but this was not recognized by most international bodies, like UN. Matter is at ICJ, and ruling is expected.
Peter Faith (EULEX) is constantly talking about need for "law enforcement" in the north.
Notice that word "enforcement" contains FORCE it it?

So, the "aggressive" side is commited not to use force (and create instability).
Now, if we can only get "pacifists" (Pristina, EU, USA) to commit to same, there would be much more stability in Balkan.

Didn't we talk about this at one point? Joint Belgrade-Tirana administration of Kosovo on a muncipality by municipality basis with a Pristina-Mitrovica nuget center?

Why not? Kosovo is a "special case" after all...
(Mike, 3 May 2010)

I don't think joint-custody can work either. I'd agree with giving up North of Ibar but that is as far as I think any right minded Albanian will go. No Albanian will allow Serb control South of Ibar. It's only fair if you consider that the Presheva valley is still under Serbia.
You cannot be seriously considered a state without contiguous borders. I wouldn't want Kosova to turn into another Palestine.

As far as Tirana controlling Albanians in Kosova I don't think that will happen either. That ship has sailed. it should have happened after WWII but unfortunately the Albanian Communists were more concerned with Socialist International Unity than Nationalist Unity.
If there ever will be an Albanian Union it'll be a federation of Kosova and Albania. I don't think the already established Kosovar Albanians political class will accept playing second fiddle to Tirana and vice-versa.

Did someone here comment about how China is studying Serbia's military prowess. I haven't had a laugh in a very long time. The only thing Serbia serves as a case study in China is how to avoid having their embassy bombed again. And as for Serbia defeating the Ottomans they were already the "Sick man of Europe." By the time the Serbs won they were on the decline. For 400 years they ruled you without a problem though.

Hi Taylor

I would not want to argue with you about Milosevic - if you really think he was right and what he did was good politics, then do carry on.

The problem is that his line of politics invited foreign intervention.

he is partially correct.. secret talks will happen soon but not to force serbia into a more "friendly" state of mind but rather to split kosovo into 2 parts and how not to make EU look dumb in the process

north kosovo will remain kosovo and the rest will be dardinia simple and everyone kind of happy at last

lili, Kosovo Albanians already decided when the Prishtina parliament (not the people of Kosovo) unilaterally declared independence. If you're not a citizen of Serbia however you will decide 1 of 2 things: 1) Will I stay? 2) Will I go? But remember only citizens can stay personally I think going is far easier since Serbs are such 'criminals';)

Hard to believer that there are still supporters of Milosevic posting here, who prise his deeds and politics which indeed caused a disaster for the whole Balkans - and especially for Serbia.

Nice bet Mike. I see your "Cantonization of Kosova" with "Cantonization of Serbia" and raise you with Kosova joining Albania.
Problem solved once and for all.
(Zoti, 3 May 2010 16:55)


Now you hold your breath until Kosovo join Albania. You think the EU is that stupid to create an Islamic state in Europe, get real boy! They are just leading you on and nothing else. What has a so called independent Kosovo achieved in the last 12 years – nothing except Camp Bondsteel. Albanians are still living in the stone age with blood feuds and you think there will be a greater Albania, only in your imagination.

It is the udi that is the destabilising factor. It is not acceptable to Serbia and it is not the form of autonomy in 1244.

Serbia has a right to defend its territory and you can reasonably expect the disruptions to continue indefinitely.

The current Serbian government is a softy compared to what could be - this is the ideal time to negotiate a settlement that gives proper autonomy but with Serbia fulfilling its proper democratic role.

The best future for Kosovo would be for Serbia to lead it into the EU.

The hinderance to this process is the continuation of the mono-ethnic ambition of the Albanians who live in the Serbian province of Kosovo. It has suited the west's purposes to impose group punishment on Serbia because of Milosevic, but the real reason is because the west is scared that the Albanians will fight.

Serbs (including good peace-loving friends of mine) were being driven out of Kosovo by Albanians long before Milosevic. It is because of my regard for these friends that I get so worked up by the injustice being done by the west on this issue. The udi is a reward for racist mono-ethnic ambition that deliberately provoked a war.

The main cause of the problem is to do with demographics and resources. Albania is big on family sizes and low on resources - spreading to neighbouring territory is ok - but not to drive out the inhabitants and steal the land. If breeding lots of population enables the take over of land from other states, then that should be written into international law as being an acceptable form of invasion. Then London will soon be part of the Caribbean and Paris will soon be part of Algeria!

The udi is a mistake, and it should not sustain. Milosevic was wrong, but Milosevic is gone. There should be autonomy, cooperation and agreement, but there should not be this unjustifiable land grab of Serbian territory.

Serbia destabilizing Kosovo? Excuse me don't blame the Serbs for the failure of your temporary institution in Pristina. Blame Sejdiu and Thaci instead.
If you want to resolve this, Well! sit down with Belgrade and discuss the future of Kosovo Province and find a WIN – WIN solution acceptable to both side.

The Kosovo Albanian journalist and analyst believes that the Western Balkans region still faces instability, and says it is Serbia who is “destabilizing Kosovo and the whole region with its policies”.

-- Oh come now Surroi, you're too intelligent to be part of the "let's blame all of our political, economic, and social shortcomings on Belgrade" crowd - especially when Albanians can allegedly count on the support from "most of the free world". If "new talks" are going to happen, as many suspect, both Belgrade and Pristina are going to have to make some hard decisions in the name of moving forward and that most likely will require Pristina to also abandon foolish efforts at destabilizing the region through repeated attempts at trying to control the K-Serbs.

Might I once again suggest we Cantonize/Daytonize the damn thing? I know everyone says "we don't want another Cyprus or Bosnia on our hands" but the wonderfully terrible thing about both those cases is that one side doesn't do anything to destabilize the other. The problems are contained and compartmentalized.

Might I once again suggest we Cantonize/Daytonize the damn thing?
(Mike, 3 May 2010)

Nice bet Mike. I see your "Cantonization of Kosova" with "Cantonization of Serbia" and raise you with Kosova joining Albania.
Problem solved once and for all.

whoever should make the mistake to make concessions in some "secret negotiations" should be aware of the consequences.

there is nothing to give to the k-albanian separatists, except autonomy.

Mr.Tadic should think about that.

as for the socalled "analyst" - since when is Mr.Surroi an analyst???

quite laughable.

Resolution 1244 must be respected. The new negotiations will mentally prepare Albanians to accept re-integration by demoralizing them further after the ICJ rulling. A few extremists among them will rebell with their KPS pistols & hunting rifles and be put down violently by EULEX & the Serbian Army sometime in late 2011 or early 2012.

"Nice bet Mike. I see your "Cantonization of Kosova" with "Cantonization of Serbia" and raise you with Kosova joining Albania.
Problem solved once and for all."
Zoti

You think Serbs care if Kosovo is independent entirely or a part of Albania? You can join the planet Mars if you wish but you won't do so with all of Kosovo. Some parts are liberated and still part of Serbia. And please stop with your threats. "We will do this or that if you don't do as we say". Why don't you promise work, peace, freedom of movement, etc rather then threats and intimidation?

"and says it is Serbia who is “destabilizing Kosovo and the whole region with its policies”.
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What policies? Legality?

Who is this guy? Now you are admitting the dependancy you have on Serbia but will a false mask at hand. I thought your "independance" had nothing to do with Serbian policies or attitude towards that declaration.

This week has shown some significance in the Serbia favor indeed, politicians are begining to see the reality that the Kosovo issue is an issus, and that's all it is. Your "declaration" means nothing if Serbia doesnt recognize it. This is exactly what your politicians are slowly realizing.

Good luck with this folks; it seems like this is going to be a tough one, :)

veton surroi is one of the best-known intellectuals of his generation from kosova. his paper, koha dita, was really a beacon in the darkness for many years, and of course he was targeted by serb forces in '99 but managed to escape which is more than we can say for some other 12,000 victims and many more casualties but who's counting (here)?

one of the great shames, as i have repeated (tried to) so many times is the invisibility of the dissident intellectuals from these pages. we are all the poorer without them, and the dialogue, such as it is, goes downhill so quickly.

as for the specifics of his comments, i agree, esp. about the 2 main points:

1 - serbia (present day, not just milosevic) is the central destabilizer of the region and of kosova and bosnia in particular. it needs to stop and should not be tolerated by the intl community, so called.

2- poverty is always the enemy of the people and of progress. of course it is not something new for the people of kosova but it isn't getting appreciably better. there are numerous reasons for it, and i don't see that any of us are exactly experts at the fix-up. but clearly if the people(s) of the region worked together instead of trying to degrade one another (see point 1) it couldn't hurt. basically there needs to be more foreign investment, but this is delayed by the cont'd instability (see point 1, again.)

as for cantonization, daytonization -- it stinks! and everyone knows it. it leads nowhere except to further apartheid and festering of tensions and ugliness. rotten idea, sorry.

thanks, veton, for speaking out.

roberto, frisco

You think Serbs care if Kosovo is independent entirely or a part of Albania? You can join the planet Mars if you wish but you won't do so with all of Kosovo. Some parts are liberated and still part of Serbia. And please stop with your threats. "We will do this or that if you don't do as we say". Why don't you promise work, peace, freedom of movement, etc rather then threats and intimidation?
(Mikael C, 3 May 2010)

I never have dealt with Serbs in my life but from my short experience here at B92 this is the only language you understand. Oh and in case you missed it, it was Mike who "threatened" with "cantonization" and I simply replied with something along the lines of "what's good for the goose..."

Bob, Truudsman

Bob what was Milosevic wrong of...please waiting for some evidence to back your false accusation? Was he wrong for stopping the formation of another MILITARY on soveriegn territory. Where are you from Bob, that sounds like an American name do you live in America? What would the US do if Islam created a military on its own territory and started to bomb, murder, kill and destory government institutions, people, police, Serbs were actually too weak and should've used as the AMERICAN GENERALS would say brute force to overcome the enemy. If anything milosevic is guilty of it is he didn't use enough military to stop an ILLEGAL TERRORIST insurgency on the territory of Serbia. So, please waiting for some real evidence, not the same fairytale story of CNN and BBC that Serbs wanted a greater serbia blah blah blah just like their were weapons of mass destruction in iraq right...yeah right...

Truudsman still waiting for your response you made a lot of allegations in the name of Serbs and i won't allow that, you need evidence to make those claims.
I'm sick and tired of croats, albanians and muslims from Bosnia thinking they can say whatever they want and accuse serbs of anyting and everything without any evidence, that time of lies is done, we are working very hard with the evangelical Christian church all across the world to bring to light the Truth about what happened in the balkans from the enslavement of Serbs under Islam for 500 years to WWI, WWII, and 90's till now, the world will hear the truth -

You guys provoke a war and then you blame Serbia for all your problems.

Serbia is not your problem. KLA is and all the other extremists.
You would all be living a better life now if not for your land grab and greed.

Imagine this arrogance. I rob you and when you won't stop pursuing me for return of your property I will blame you for my headaches.

Are you for real???

Zoti,
do you really think Serbs are scared of your threats? Serbs fought the largest armies in the world and guess what they won. Serbs beat the turks, Serbs beat the austrian hungarians, I lived in China for two years and they still study the Serbian military, Serbs are heroes around the world, in WWII the nazis lost. In the 90's USA the strongest country ever in history and NATO the two largest militaries could not defeat Serbia, that is why there is Repulika Srpska and that is why UN resolution 1244 was signed that guarenteed Kosovo apart of Serbia,
you can make all the threats you want, you know what they say bad boys walk in silence and the cowards run their mouth.

He believes that there is “no real possibility at this moment for the Western Balkans countries to join the EU before 2020, so the next ten years should be used to regulate the situation in this part of Europe”.
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Like seirously, is he a genius or what? Does anyone on this forum know who this guy is? Or what his credentials are.

How does he expect at all for Kosovo (southern province of Serbia) to get in the EU as a seperate entity from Serbia?

Firstly; If anything, Serbia will be in first, vetoeing any attempt for Kosovo to have a chance. And Serbia will not be alone in this.

Secondly; No country in the Balkans should even concider the EU as a grasp at prosperity. Look at the reality mates.

Thirdly; I sure hope "his people" recognize the rubbish he is spilling. He is enforcing false hopes for poor people to just take in. Shame on him and his superiors.

One doesnt have to look too far to recognize what is really happening in the Balkans. Everyone wants a peace, US/EU/NATO and of course UN. They will always be "needed" their.... So a little food for thought ladies and gentlemen, what is it that is soo precious in the Balkans that everyone wants their hands on?

oh? and as soon as discussion between serbia and kosovo are planed,here we have Veton,he misses soooooooo much his serbian fellow!!!!
But veton WE do not and we will not have 2secret talks2.each of us has the right to say and to decide about kosovo!Times of secret talks are definitivly gone!We have to decide,not belgrad ,not bruxelles,but we will decide how and with whom we can live or not!
As for Serbia,no thanks,forget it!

"I see your "Cantonization of Kosova" with "Cantonization of Serbia" and raise you with Kosova joining Albania.
Problem solved once and for all." (Zoti)

-- Didn't we talk about this at one point? Joint Belgrade-Tirana administration of Kosovo on a muncipality by municipality basis with a Pristina-Mitrovica nuget center?

Why not? Kosovo is a "special case" after all...

Didn't we talk about this at one point? Joint Belgrade-Tirana administration of Kosovo on a muncipality by municipality basis with a Pristina-Mitrovica nuget center?

Why not? Kosovo is a "special case" after all...
(Mike, 3 May 2010)

I don't think joint-custody can work either. I'd agree with giving up North of Ibar but that is as far as I think any right minded Albanian will go. No Albanian will allow Serb control South of Ibar. It's only fair if you consider that the Presheva valley is still under Serbia.
You cannot be seriously considered a state without contiguous borders. I wouldn't want Kosova to turn into another Palestine.

As far as Tirana controlling Albanians in Kosova I don't think that will happen either. That ship has sailed. it should have happened after WWII but unfortunately the Albanian Communists were more concerned with Socialist International Unity than Nationalist Unity.
If there ever will be an Albanian Union it'll be a federation of Kosova and Albania. I don't think the already established Kosovar Albanians political class will accept playing second fiddle to Tirana and vice-versa.

Did someone here comment about how China is studying Serbia's military prowess. I haven't had a laugh in a very long time. The only thing Serbia serves as a case study in China is how to avoid having their embassy bombed again. And as for Serbia defeating the Ottomans they were already the "Sick man of Europe." By the time the Serbs won they were on the decline. For 400 years they ruled you without a problem though.

Surroi was here in Bloomington, Indiana at a conference on the Milosevic trial. He was kind of a "guest of honor" and had a short talk about his role in "negotiation" with Milosevic and the Serbs in general prior to the illegal bombing campaign against Serbia. He is indeed a smart man with more sensibilities than the normal Kosovo Albanian intellectual/leader, and with a certain calmness and relaxed look as well. I think he was able to sway most of the conference attendees with his stories, but that isn't a surprise as most of them are pro-Albanian/anti-Serb. I was probably the only one ready to challenge his words and claims, but I chose to be civil as I would have probably gone too far. I now wish I had done that and given him a real lecture on the supposed "virtues" of the Albanian cause in Kosovo. I would have brought up how his people have ethnically cleansed almost the entire Serbian population from an area that was and is always Serbia's legitimate birthright. I also would have mentioned the treacherous conversion of his people from Chrisianity to the Turkish religion, and how that sell-out has put them and the Serbs at odds ever since. People wonder why Serbs and Albanians don't get along...I think it is simple: they have been abusing us with the help of more powerful "friends" for centuries going back to the Turks up through the Austrians, Italian, Germans, and now the majority of the EU and the US.

Hard to believer that there are still supporters of Milosevic posting here, who prise his deeds and politics which indeed caused a disaster for the whole Balkans - and especially for Serbia.

Hi Taylor

I would not want to argue with you about Milosevic - if you really think he was right and what he did was good politics, then do carry on.

The problem is that his line of politics invited foreign intervention.

Serbia had the KLA until the US stepped in. The US arranged a cease-fire which the KLA ignored. Serbia responded and the US then intensified it's efforts on demonizing 'Serbs' using the media as it's primary weapon.

Taylor,

I replied to your blissfull comments, but somehow they didn't make through. I wonder why...

Now, I dont reject what you have claimed so far, but I would appreciate for you not to put words into my mouth. What worries me about you, is that you claim to be Serbian, what worries me more is that also claim to be a man belonging to the church. This is ver unsettling concidering what you have posted on this site.

But I will not argue with you; You automatically reject anything I say that goes against you and you choose to manipulate the argument, taking it completly out of context.


Have a good day.

Nice bet Mike. I see your "Cantonization of Kosova" with "Cantonization of Serbia" and raise you with Kosova joining Albania.
Problem solved once and for all.
(Zoti, 3 May 2010 16:55)


Now you hold your breath until Kosovo join Albania. You think the EU is that stupid to create an Islamic state in Europe, get real boy! They are just leading you on and nothing else. What has a so called independent Kosovo achieved in the last 12 years – nothing except Camp Bondsteel. Albanians are still living in the stone age with blood feuds and you think there will be a greater Albania, only in your imagination.

lili who said anything about secret talks. If they were going on you wouldn't be talking about it, trust me.

Besides, the reason why things got so bad in the first place is because there were no proper negotiations. Belgrade had the upper hand then, but did not negotiate as it should have. This was a mistake and now you advocate the same policy.

Well, in the end it won't matter if you want to obstruct talks, they will go ahead and if there are too many Albanians who think like you, you can be certain that they will be secret.

Adopt a mature attitude on the other hand and your politicians might start to be more honest and open with you.

" ...If you want to resolve this, Well! sit down with Belgrade and discuss the future of Kosovo Province and find a WIN – WIN solution acceptable to both side"

I really do not see the point why would any possible further talks solve anything. Please let’s not forget that Kosovo/a between 1974 and 1989 had its autonomy and it was (at least on paper) equal to other federal units in the former Yugoslavia.

Just before the wars, most Yugoslav federal units wanted (Serbia not included) to form a new order based on some sort of loose confederation with less central control from Belgrade/Serbia. Serbia didn’t like that and we had one minor (Slovenia) and three major (Croatia, Bosnia, and Kosovo/a) wars. I am not pointing any fingers here as I am sure we were all responsible for them.

Now Kosovo/a has declared independence before which there were years (at least 5 or 6 years) of trying to find a solution – neither side was giving in and they were both holding to its extremes, i.e. Serbia wanted to give autonomy back to Kosovo/a and Kosovo/a wanted to become independent.

So I implore you all to stop going on about further possible talks which it is evident would not persuade Serbia nor Kosovo/a to find a Win – Win solution, because there isn’t one.

@SiriusBlack~~~~ 5 or 6 years of talks is nothing ! the british and irish talked for decades ..the jews and arabs have talked for decades and no one thinks or thought to give up on negotiations in such situations.

its only when one side is guaranteed an outcome that talks fail.

no one sees a pre 1999 outcome to kosovo but a post 1999 or 2008 version will never function properly.

ok the EU and US have stolen a part of serbia and given it the albanians.. fine they have shown they are big enough to do that..but now we need a closing chapter to this saga !!

Hard to believer that there are still supporters of Milosevic posting here, who prise his deeds and politics which indeed caused a disaster for the whole Balkans - and especially for Serbia.
(Top, 5 May 2010)

I'm not surprised at all. As a matter of fact if Milosevic was alive today he'd probably have 35-40% of the Serb electorate.

During Bush's disastrous 8 year reign he still managed to have 30% approval rating and if he ran for president he would easily get 45% against Obama.

Never underestimate the stupidity of people and how commonly they vote against their own interests.

One more thing I have to say.

The Kosovo Albanian journalist and analyst believes that the Western Balkans region still faces instability, and says it is Serbia who is “destabilizing Kosovo and the whole region with its policies”.

Similar statements are coming from several sources lately.
Michael Giffoni, EU envoy for Norther Kosovo, former Italian ambassador to Pristina said:

"
“A feeling of some kind of division is very evident in (Kosovska) Mitrovica, and that is something that the EU does not like."

(Really!!?? I was not under impression that EU does not like divisions when it comes to former Yugoslavia...)

Then he went on to call for "more pragmatic approach from Belgrade" as this would contribute to "stability" in the region, etc.
German diplomat went as far to say that Serbian policy is "aggressive"...

There you have it, Serbia is again factor of instability (and aggression) in the Balkan.

I'm sure that everyone, regardless of their political opinion or views of Kosovo can agree that use of force by anyone would be a great factor of instability.
Serbia on its part have made a commitment that it will fight for Kosovo by political means, and not by use of force.
Lately, there were several attempts of "law enforcement" by Pristina. For example, they are attempting to enforce their cell-phones licensing laws, while it is not at all clear (to put it mildly) what legal system should be in place in Kosovo. Sure, Pristina declared independence unilaterally, but this was not recognized by most international bodies, like UN. Matter is at ICJ, and ruling is expected.
Peter Faith (EULEX) is constantly talking about need for "law enforcement" in the north.
Notice that word "enforcement" contains FORCE it it?

So, the "aggressive" side is commited not to use force (and create instability).
Now, if we can only get "pacifists" (Pristina, EU, USA) to commit to same, there would be much more stability in Balkan.

HAH hilarious... this will expose the fact that even surroi has to recognize theres no way out for Kosovo but #1244. :) CCCC

he is partially correct.. secret talks will happen soon but not to force serbia into a more "friendly" state of mind but rather to split kosovo into 2 parts and how not to make EU look dumb in the process

north kosovo will remain kosovo and the rest will be dardinia simple and everyone kind of happy at last

lili, Kosovo Albanians already decided when the Prishtina parliament (not the people of Kosovo) unilaterally declared independence. If you're not a citizen of Serbia however you will decide 1 of 2 things: 1) Will I stay? 2) Will I go? But remember only citizens can stay personally I think going is far easier since Serbs are such 'criminals';)