Hey Jeremic there will be no Umnik there. Just Kosova authorities. Today like this next time with name tags and than with flags.. LOL I wonder if Europe needed Serbia so much why did they insist that kosova be there too?
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Why is EU pushing Serbia so hard to comply with demands to join their club? ----- this of course being ,,,,, as you said "who needs Serbia". lol
Hey Jeremic there will be no Umnik there. Just Kosova authorities. Today like this next time with name tags and than with flags.. LOL I wonder if Europe needed Serbia so much why did they insist that kosova be there too?
I am genuinely interested in how you tie this all together with your support.
(kate, 2 May 2010 12:53)
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Kate, Roberto has never condemned any crimes agains the Serbs for one reason only, his bias.
Now only people who are personally connected have such a strong bias. You can have strong opinion on what you see as an injustice but that goes to all if you are not personally involved.
Why do you think Roberto has never felt sorry for the Serbs? He has personal attachment to one side and that side is Muslim side, whether it be Bosnian Muslims or Albanains.
Secondly are you talking about the tolerance that Serbs have shown towards Gay Serbs?
I have seen the worldwide headlines about Serb "tolerance" where Gays have been beaten barbarically in the middle of downtown Belgrade.
Kind regards.
(Askush, 2 May 2010 18:49)
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There are still areas in Melbourne where gays won't go into.
We've had many gay bashings in this city as well.
I personally think it's wrong and anyone doing this should be thrown in jail but Serbia is not the only country where this happens.
Do you think this is tolerated in Albania or other places in Eastern Europe?
@Fluid I think you are wrong here bud. It's you Kosovo Albanians that can't stand Serbs. We don't go around demolishing everything Albanian in the south. That's because we don't care. Every Serb knows that Kosovo Albanians are a fad that will eventually be replaced with another, like all fads, once the US & an' a throws in the towel. Then what? The US won't give a crap about the failed social science project: 'Kosovah'.
@cees You baffle me. The west decided that Serbia should accept the responsibility of the "crimes" committed by Bosnian Serbs because the Bosnian Serbs refused to do so themselves. Are you aware of the fact that Serbs didn't fight in Bosnia and Croatia? But Bosnian & Croatian Serbs. The declaration was tasked to encourage every country from the former Yugoslavia to do the same - express their own guilty past. It is the Bosnian and Croatian Serbs that should be requesting this exact policy and not Belgrade. As for gays, why is this such an issue? If the people of Serbia don't wish to have a gay pride parade then their wish should be respected. If gay people wish to be treated as any other citizen, then why have an extraordinary parade plastering raw sexuality all over the place for the kids to see. If that's normal then where is our straight parade?
This might come as a surprise to some but their are more pressing matters that need addressing in Serbia than bending to the will of the west. Gays are tolerated enough in Serbia, it's the gay parade that Serbs want no part in. The people spoke and the authorities went ahead as planned to appease their western masters. What did you expect would happen!? Just look at Israel, same thing happened their and they're a long-time western ally.
Hi Kate.
First of all i congratulate Jeremic for his kindness to allow all the countries of the region to participate in Sarajevo.
I personally don't know what we could do without his wisdom.
Secondly are you talking about the tolerance that Serbs have shown towards Gay Serbs?
I have seen the worldwide headlines about Serb "tolerance" where Gays have been beaten barbarically in the middle of downtown Belgrade.
Kind regards.
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You and your camp always beat around the bush.
Firstly; Whatever you mentioned maybe correct or incorrect, thats irelevent. Its not regarding the article. So nice try putting a neg. twist on a positive turn.
Secondly; You insecurites in regards to the issue at hand is very obvious. I suggest you read into whatever it is you feel you should comment on, before you comment at all.
Hi Kate.
First of all i congratulate Jeremic for his kindness to allow all the countries of the region to participate in Sarajevo.
I personally don't know what we could do without his wisdom.
Secondly are you talking about the tolerance that Serbs have shown towards Gay Serbs?
I have seen the worldwide headlines about Serb "tolerance" where Gays have been beaten barbarically in the middle of downtown Belgrade.
Kind regards.
“Also, I do wonder if you realise that your liberal stance and lifestyle would be tolerated by very few in Pristina.
For example, are you aware that people have claimed asylum because their very lives are endangered by being gay and Kosovo Albanian?”
I think Kate that you have pointed on an important issue. I lived one year in Kosovo and could talk to people from the gay community in Pristina. As in the whole of the Balkans they have a difficult stance in the society, though they are protected by the most modern laws in Europe. In this case I see no difference with the other countries. In Serbia an open threat against gay-people also exists, as the last discussions around the street-parade have shown and homophobia is not a stranger in the country .
I don’t know if you were ever in Pristina where life and having party is not much different from Belgrade. You won’t have a problem to live “a liberal stance and lifestyle” like in most of the cities in Kosovo . Different it will be in rural areas, but that is a phenomenon you’ll find everywhere on the world.
I admit that I have a problem with being balanced about war crimes. I am just reading the book: “Stripping Bare the Body”, Politics – Violence – War by Mark Danner, who was e.g. journalist for the New Yorker and Times Magazine. In the part of the “Saddest Story” he describes the ways on which the war in Bosnia developed. He tells about his meetings with Karadzic and Mladic, about developing political backgrounds in USA, France, Germany, Serbia and Pale, but most of all about the terrible fates of innocent people. Behind these war crimes you’ll find the few, who were instigating, acting or just waiting, watching and doing nothing. History will show the truth, and I don’t mean the history, as it is written by Croats, Slovenes, Serbs or Kosovars. For a long time Russia has pointed to the Germans as the murders of thousands of Polish officers until they opened the documents that showed a different story. I hope that one day the Serbian government will open their documents, if they still exist, about the decisions the Milosevic’ government has made during the nineties. For now with me, even if only ten percent is true what Mark Danner describes in his book, I have troubles to be balanced. I only see how the Serbian people tries, by adopting a plea for acknowledging the atrocities against the Serbian population – that happened also after the war in Kosovo -, as a fighter who tried to exterminate his opponent and asked from the almost killed person to make his excuse that he punched back and hurt him too.
kosovo can not participate as a state ....isnt that double speak?? no country there will participate as a state ...isnt that what vuk wanted ....please dont now act as if you scored a victory !!!!! that aint even a silver lining mr jeremic!!!!!
Roberto - I applaud you for having a strong stance and not being Albanian yourself. I can relate to that.
But I have never heard you say anything vaguely balanced about war crimes. All of us know that terrible atrocities have been carried out in Kosovo by people of all ethnicities, and yet I have never heard you say even once that Kosovo Albanians have done terrible things to Serbians, especially since the 'liberation'.
The KLA also carried out terrible crimes against 'disloyal' Albanians or those considered to have helped their Serbian neighbours.
If you have a strong stance from the outside then why do you not feel for the suffering of the Serbian communities there, or the millions of totally innocent people who suffered under the months of bombing?
Also, I do wonder if you realise that your liberal stance and lifestyle would be tolerated by very few in Pristina.
For example, are you aware that people have claimed asylum because their very lives are endangered by being gay and Kosovo Albanian?
I am genuinely interested in how you tie this all together with your support.
"Everything I read what Vuk said is just a wishfull thinking. what do you excpect from people that beleive in myths and witchcraft!
(Kosova-USA, 1 May 2010 15:20)"
And your people, what about them? Blood feuds? That doesn't occur in a civilized nation. You need some education. I cannot believe you live in the US, as your command of the English language is horrible and your cognition is at the level of an elementary school student. Thus, I don't see how you could get a job here. At any rate, keep on making those buffoonish comments; they are very entertaining to the educated American elite;-)
>>What a ridicules comment. You albos would like to blame everything on Milosevic. --usa serb
so, what's an "albo"? is that yr nasty shorthand for albanian? i'm sorry to disappoint but i have no albanian blood to my knowledge. just like those other nice people that knew how to "deal" w/ my people... actually i'm jewish and live in, oh, never mind. so yes, you can tell me, like the others, "go pray to allah" (which means God), "self-admitted Jew," "typical california liberal" or all the other nonsense they love to print about me, but i really don't care and it doesn't take us away from the issue of the grotesque continuity of milosevic policies and specific support for the war mass-murderers. get it?
It completely baffles me as to how the make-shift government in Prishtina is allowed to continue in the manner it does. Well done Jeremic for standing up for Serbia & the rights of the Serbian people.
Johny: "Pete, lets just say that B92 has become the mouthpiece of the propaganda machinery of the spin doctors in Belgrade."
If that were the case, then why would they be publishing your comment? In every other news site your comment would never have been published and the moderators would be far more editorially biased in what they allow through.
This is the most open news site discussion board that I have come across. I congratulate B92 for being so liberal in the comments that they publish, and I am sure that the moderators must sometimes be driven to the verge of a nervous breakdown :)
Johny - Point me to any other site which would publish such a comment as your's or be so open?
Plus, I hate to blow your conspiracy theory, but most of the English speakers on here are people like me, from whichever country, who just feel very strongly about one/ both of two things:
- That Serbia and most Serbians have suffered a major injustice for a very long time. Firstly under Milosevic and for many many years from the 'international community'.
There are devils and angels in all societies; we are all the same and want the same things. When I see a whole nation being demonised I know that something is very wrong and I am being lied to.
- The issue of Kosovo also directly affects every European and those beyond on a law and security basis, because if a single ethnic group are allowed to annex land and a state's boundaries are not protected by international law, then the fall-out will be enormous for all of us.
johny on the one hand B92 is accused of being controlled by the nationalist Serbian government and on the other it is accused of being controlled by George Soros and foreign interests.
Both views are remarkably short sighted. This media outlet like any other, has pressure to deal with from outside sources, but for the most part does a very good job in resisting interference in its editorial policy.
On balance the 'bias' expressed by B92 is one created / shared by the journalists who work for it.
So perhaps you should not see ghosts under the bed, where there are none.
As for the 'liberal' view that Serbia has no right to a foreign policy. I beg to differ. It has every right to persue all legal means to achieve its goals, just as any other country. Its sad that Belgrade has to play an obstructionist role in this moment in time on the Kosovo issue, but this wasn't a problem created by the current government.
about this, jeremic has a good point -- they are practicing their policies in full continuity with the LAST govt, by which they mean the MILOSEVIC regime.
(roberto, 1 May 2010 17:34)
What a ridicules comment. You albos would like to blame everything on Milosevic. I know, burning our churches, desecrating our cemeteries, cutting power to Serbian villages, stoning busses and elderly serb citizens, shutting phone services to Serbian villages, terrorizing innocent people on daily bases. That bad bad Milosevic sure gets a round. Milosevic is dead……..Take responsibility for your own actions. And lest checked Kostunicas government was in charge before Tadic.
Pete, lets just say that B92 has become the mouthpiece of the propaganda machinery of the spin doctors in Belgrade. Lets just be open and also say that there's too many untruths and too much propaganda from the Serb camp that write here on the daily basis. We're here to counter some of that. This has nothing to do with obsession; if it did we would have English propaganda machineries coming from Prishtina. Fact is we simply do not care but we will not stay mute when it comes to so much untruths being said here. The point is not to convince you or anyone from your camp and make you change your mind. That would be mission impossible. The point is to reach those other ones out there, that do not know anything regarding this issue whose thoughts B92 is trying to poison on a daily basis with lies and propaganda. Now here on this site our efforts to present the other side of the coin are limited; since the censor aparitchiks of B92 censor anything containing facts and sources that our side writes and leave only the message of those who shout. That is also another way they try to shape the message outsiders see. Nevertheless giving up is not an option. Hope I explained a few things.
Well done Jeremic! With your stance against Kosovo/a Albanians you are contributing everyday towards their "integration" into Serbia, "its territorial integrity", and most important is helping Serbia a lot in exercising "its sovereignity" in Kosovo/a. You know what I really mean.)
It is an equal representation of all attendees, regardles of what Vuk says.
Serbia can't stand the fact that if Kosova does not participate, all the important EU reps will not attend and this conference will fail. In other words, "EU foreign policy chief Catherine Ashton and EU enlargement commissioner Stefan Fuele have indicated they will only attend if the presence of all Western Balkan countries, including Kosovo, is guaranteed".
What Vuk is saying is just fog for internal Serbian consumption.
>>He said that Belgrade is practicing “policies in full continuity with the last government,” because Kosovo cannot be a topic of partisan disputes, adding that all parties “must breathe as one” when Kosovo is in question, because that is the only chance for success. >>
about this, jeremic has a good point -- they are practicing their policies in full continuity with the LAST govt, by which they mean the MILOSEVIC regime. full continuity of arrogance, full continuity of aggressiveness, full continuity of bull-headedness, full continuity of stupidity. full cover for war criminals. so thanks, vuk, for being so up-front about yr regime's motivation.
as for this particular media outlet, no one owns the voice, and all are free (should be free) to comment regardless of political persuasion. that is called a democratic press.
If, as mijari claims comments from Serbia will forever be ignored by 'Kosova,'why on earth are he/she and his/her ilk constantly commenting about Serbian affairs on a Serbian news portal. On the contrary, I suspect they are obsessed with every item of news emanating from Serbia. Kosovo will naturally gravitate towards Serbia because she belongs to Serbia, and historically always has. The local Serbs stubbornly hang on, despite your brutality. And so I say to you who are blinded by hatred, embrace diversity as we in the West have done. Abandon your primitive nationalism and exclusivism, and look to the future.
Story of the day is k-alb ministry and their criminal activities.I`m sure non of the neighbors are happy to be sitting next to criminals from interpols most wanted list.But thanks to Vuk and smart diplomacy they can bet on the days until they see snake behind bars..
Great job Vuk..
What are you talking about ? Kosovo will be presented at the summit the same way as Serbia will. You just want to save face from your people by lying to them that Kosovo will not be presented as a state at the summit. Hey then Serbia will not be presented as a state either I guess. And the spanish presendency knowes that the meeting would be a farce if Kosovo or Serbia diden't show up. Do serbs really think that Kosovo would go if it woulden't be presented equal as every other country ? I don't think so..
jeremic and his company including tadic need votes from serb nationalists.they know very well that kosovo is an independet state but cant accept it because they would lose face and the next elections in serbia.in fact kosovo dont care what serbia has to say.comments from serbia will forever be ignored in kosovo.
What are you talking about ? Kosovo will be presented at the summit the same way as Serbia will. You just want to save face from your people by lying to them that Kosovo will not be presented as a state at the summit. Hey then Serbia will not be presented as a state either I guess. And the spanish presendency knowes that the meeting would be a farce if Kosovo or Serbia diden't show up. Do serbs really think that Kosovo would go if it woulden't be presented equal as every other country ? I don't think so..
jeremic and his company including tadic need votes from serb nationalists.they know very well that kosovo is an independet state but cant accept it because they would lose face and the next elections in serbia.in fact kosovo dont care what serbia has to say.comments from serbia will forever be ignored in kosovo.
It is an equal representation of all attendees, regardles of what Vuk says.
Serbia can't stand the fact that if Kosova does not participate, all the important EU reps will not attend and this conference will fail. In other words, "EU foreign policy chief Catherine Ashton and EU enlargement commissioner Stefan Fuele have indicated they will only attend if the presence of all Western Balkan countries, including Kosovo, is guaranteed".
What Vuk is saying is just fog for internal Serbian consumption.
Story of the day is k-alb ministry and their criminal activities.I`m sure non of the neighbors are happy to be sitting next to criminals from interpols most wanted list.But thanks to Vuk and smart diplomacy they can bet on the days until they see snake behind bars..
Great job Vuk..
Well done Jeremic! With your stance against Kosovo/a Albanians you are contributing everyday towards their "integration" into Serbia, "its territorial integrity", and most important is helping Serbia a lot in exercising "its sovereignity" in Kosovo/a. You know what I really mean.)
Pete, lets just say that B92 has become the mouthpiece of the propaganda machinery of the spin doctors in Belgrade. Lets just be open and also say that there's too many untruths and too much propaganda from the Serb camp that write here on the daily basis. We're here to counter some of that. This has nothing to do with obsession; if it did we would have English propaganda machineries coming from Prishtina. Fact is we simply do not care but we will not stay mute when it comes to so much untruths being said here. The point is not to convince you or anyone from your camp and make you change your mind. That would be mission impossible. The point is to reach those other ones out there, that do not know anything regarding this issue whose thoughts B92 is trying to poison on a daily basis with lies and propaganda. Now here on this site our efforts to present the other side of the coin are limited; since the censor aparitchiks of B92 censor anything containing facts and sources that our side writes and leave only the message of those who shout. That is also another way they try to shape the message outsiders see. Nevertheless giving up is not an option. Hope I explained a few things.
about this, jeremic has a good point -- they are practicing their policies in full continuity with the LAST govt, by which they mean the MILOSEVIC regime.
(roberto, 1 May 2010 17:34)
What a ridicules comment. You albos would like to blame everything on Milosevic. I know, burning our churches, desecrating our cemeteries, cutting power to Serbian villages, stoning busses and elderly serb citizens, shutting phone services to Serbian villages, terrorizing innocent people on daily bases. That bad bad Milosevic sure gets a round. Milosevic is dead……..Take responsibility for your own actions. And lest checked Kostunicas government was in charge before Tadic.
If, as mijari claims comments from Serbia will forever be ignored by 'Kosova,'why on earth are he/she and his/her ilk constantly commenting about Serbian affairs on a Serbian news portal. On the contrary, I suspect they are obsessed with every item of news emanating from Serbia. Kosovo will naturally gravitate towards Serbia because she belongs to Serbia, and historically always has. The local Serbs stubbornly hang on, despite your brutality. And so I say to you who are blinded by hatred, embrace diversity as we in the West have done. Abandon your primitive nationalism and exclusivism, and look to the future.
>>He said that Belgrade is practicing “policies in full continuity with the last government,” because Kosovo cannot be a topic of partisan disputes, adding that all parties “must breathe as one” when Kosovo is in question, because that is the only chance for success. >>
about this, jeremic has a good point -- they are practicing their policies in full continuity with the LAST govt, by which they mean the MILOSEVIC regime. full continuity of arrogance, full continuity of aggressiveness, full continuity of bull-headedness, full continuity of stupidity. full cover for war criminals. so thanks, vuk, for being so up-front about yr regime's motivation.
as for this particular media outlet, no one owns the voice, and all are free (should be free) to comment regardless of political persuasion. that is called a democratic press.
Johny: "Pete, lets just say that B92 has become the mouthpiece of the propaganda machinery of the spin doctors in Belgrade."
If that were the case, then why would they be publishing your comment? In every other news site your comment would never have been published and the moderators would be far more editorially biased in what they allow through.
This is the most open news site discussion board that I have come across. I congratulate B92 for being so liberal in the comments that they publish, and I am sure that the moderators must sometimes be driven to the verge of a nervous breakdown :)
Johny - Point me to any other site which would publish such a comment as your's or be so open?
Plus, I hate to blow your conspiracy theory, but most of the English speakers on here are people like me, from whichever country, who just feel very strongly about one/ both of two things:
- That Serbia and most Serbians have suffered a major injustice for a very long time. Firstly under Milosevic and for many many years from the 'international community'.
There are devils and angels in all societies; we are all the same and want the same things. When I see a whole nation being demonised I know that something is very wrong and I am being lied to.
- The issue of Kosovo also directly affects every European and those beyond on a law and security basis, because if a single ethnic group are allowed to annex land and a state's boundaries are not protected by international law, then the fall-out will be enormous for all of us.
>>What a ridicules comment. You albos would like to blame everything on Milosevic. --usa serb
so, what's an "albo"? is that yr nasty shorthand for albanian? i'm sorry to disappoint but i have no albanian blood to my knowledge. just like those other nice people that knew how to "deal" w/ my people... actually i'm jewish and live in, oh, never mind. so yes, you can tell me, like the others, "go pray to allah" (which means God), "self-admitted Jew," "typical california liberal" or all the other nonsense they love to print about me, but i really don't care and it doesn't take us away from the issue of the grotesque continuity of milosevic policies and specific support for the war mass-murderers. get it?
It completely baffles me as to how the make-shift government in Prishtina is allowed to continue in the manner it does. Well done Jeremic for standing up for Serbia & the rights of the Serbian people.
"Everything I read what Vuk said is just a wishfull thinking. what do you excpect from people that beleive in myths and witchcraft!
(Kosova-USA, 1 May 2010 15:20)"
And your people, what about them? Blood feuds? That doesn't occur in a civilized nation. You need some education. I cannot believe you live in the US, as your command of the English language is horrible and your cognition is at the level of an elementary school student. Thus, I don't see how you could get a job here. At any rate, keep on making those buffoonish comments; they are very entertaining to the educated American elite;-)
Roberto - I applaud you for having a strong stance and not being Albanian yourself. I can relate to that.
But I have never heard you say anything vaguely balanced about war crimes. All of us know that terrible atrocities have been carried out in Kosovo by people of all ethnicities, and yet I have never heard you say even once that Kosovo Albanians have done terrible things to Serbians, especially since the 'liberation'.
The KLA also carried out terrible crimes against 'disloyal' Albanians or those considered to have helped their Serbian neighbours.
If you have a strong stance from the outside then why do you not feel for the suffering of the Serbian communities there, or the millions of totally innocent people who suffered under the months of bombing?
Also, I do wonder if you realise that your liberal stance and lifestyle would be tolerated by very few in Pristina.
For example, are you aware that people have claimed asylum because their very lives are endangered by being gay and Kosovo Albanian?
I am genuinely interested in how you tie this all together with your support.
Hi Kate.
First of all i congratulate Jeremic for his kindness to allow all the countries of the region to participate in Sarajevo.
I personally don't know what we could do without his wisdom.
Secondly are you talking about the tolerance that Serbs have shown towards Gay Serbs?
I have seen the worldwide headlines about Serb "tolerance" where Gays have been beaten barbarically in the middle of downtown Belgrade.
Kind regards.
I am genuinely interested in how you tie this all together with your support.
(kate, 2 May 2010 12:53)
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Kate, Roberto has never condemned any crimes agains the Serbs for one reason only, his bias.
Now only people who are personally connected have such a strong bias. You can have strong opinion on what you see as an injustice but that goes to all if you are not personally involved.
Why do you think Roberto has never felt sorry for the Serbs? He has personal attachment to one side and that side is Muslim side, whether it be Bosnian Muslims or Albanains.
kosovo can not participate as a state ....isnt that double speak?? no country there will participate as a state ...isnt that what vuk wanted ....please dont now act as if you scored a victory !!!!! that aint even a silver lining mr jeremic!!!!!
“Also, I do wonder if you realise that your liberal stance and lifestyle would be tolerated by very few in Pristina.
For example, are you aware that people have claimed asylum because their very lives are endangered by being gay and Kosovo Albanian?”
I think Kate that you have pointed on an important issue. I lived one year in Kosovo and could talk to people from the gay community in Pristina. As in the whole of the Balkans they have a difficult stance in the society, though they are protected by the most modern laws in Europe. In this case I see no difference with the other countries. In Serbia an open threat against gay-people also exists, as the last discussions around the street-parade have shown and homophobia is not a stranger in the country .
I don’t know if you were ever in Pristina where life and having party is not much different from Belgrade. You won’t have a problem to live “a liberal stance and lifestyle” like in most of the cities in Kosovo . Different it will be in rural areas, but that is a phenomenon you’ll find everywhere on the world.
I admit that I have a problem with being balanced about war crimes. I am just reading the book: “Stripping Bare the Body”, Politics – Violence – War by Mark Danner, who was e.g. journalist for the New Yorker and Times Magazine. In the part of the “Saddest Story” he describes the ways on which the war in Bosnia developed. He tells about his meetings with Karadzic and Mladic, about developing political backgrounds in USA, France, Germany, Serbia and Pale, but most of all about the terrible fates of innocent people. Behind these war crimes you’ll find the few, who were instigating, acting or just waiting, watching and doing nothing. History will show the truth, and I don’t mean the history, as it is written by Croats, Slovenes, Serbs or Kosovars. For a long time Russia has pointed to the Germans as the murders of thousands of Polish officers until they opened the documents that showed a different story. I hope that one day the Serbian government will open their documents, if they still exist, about the decisions the Milosevic’ government has made during the nineties. For now with me, even if only ten percent is true what Mark Danner describes in his book, I have troubles to be balanced. I only see how the Serbian people tries, by adopting a plea for acknowledging the atrocities against the Serbian population – that happened also after the war in Kosovo -, as a fighter who tried to exterminate his opponent and asked from the almost killed person to make his excuse that he punched back and hurt him too.
Secondly are you talking about the tolerance that Serbs have shown towards Gay Serbs?
I have seen the worldwide headlines about Serb "tolerance" where Gays have been beaten barbarically in the middle of downtown Belgrade.
Kind regards.
(Askush, 2 May 2010 18:49)
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There are still areas in Melbourne where gays won't go into.
We've had many gay bashings in this city as well.
I personally think it's wrong and anyone doing this should be thrown in jail but Serbia is not the only country where this happens.
Do you think this is tolerated in Albania or other places in Eastern Europe?
johny on the one hand B92 is accused of being controlled by the nationalist Serbian government and on the other it is accused of being controlled by George Soros and foreign interests.
Both views are remarkably short sighted. This media outlet like any other, has pressure to deal with from outside sources, but for the most part does a very good job in resisting interference in its editorial policy.
On balance the 'bias' expressed by B92 is one created / shared by the journalists who work for it.
So perhaps you should not see ghosts under the bed, where there are none.
As for the 'liberal' view that Serbia has no right to a foreign policy. I beg to differ. It has every right to persue all legal means to achieve its goals, just as any other country. Its sad that Belgrade has to play an obstructionist role in this moment in time on the Kosovo issue, but this wasn't a problem created by the current government.
@Fluid I think you are wrong here bud. It's you Kosovo Albanians that can't stand Serbs. We don't go around demolishing everything Albanian in the south. That's because we don't care. Every Serb knows that Kosovo Albanians are a fad that will eventually be replaced with another, like all fads, once the US & an' a throws in the towel. Then what? The US won't give a crap about the failed social science project: 'Kosovah'.
@cees You baffle me. The west decided that Serbia should accept the responsibility of the "crimes" committed by Bosnian Serbs because the Bosnian Serbs refused to do so themselves. Are you aware of the fact that Serbs didn't fight in Bosnia and Croatia? But Bosnian & Croatian Serbs. The declaration was tasked to encourage every country from the former Yugoslavia to do the same - express their own guilty past. It is the Bosnian and Croatian Serbs that should be requesting this exact policy and not Belgrade. As for gays, why is this such an issue? If the people of Serbia don't wish to have a gay pride parade then their wish should be respected. If gay people wish to be treated as any other citizen, then why have an extraordinary parade plastering raw sexuality all over the place for the kids to see. If that's normal then where is our straight parade?
Hey Jeremic there will be no Umnik there. Just Kosova authorities. Today like this next time with name tags and than with flags.. LOL I wonder if Europe needed Serbia so much why did they insist that kosova be there too?
This might come as a surprise to some but their are more pressing matters that need addressing in Serbia than bending to the will of the west. Gays are tolerated enough in Serbia, it's the gay parade that Serbs want no part in. The people spoke and the authorities went ahead as planned to appease their western masters. What did you expect would happen!? Just look at Israel, same thing happened their and they're a long-time western ally.
Hi Kate.
First of all i congratulate Jeremic for his kindness to allow all the countries of the region to participate in Sarajevo.
I personally don't know what we could do without his wisdom.
Secondly are you talking about the tolerance that Serbs have shown towards Gay Serbs?
I have seen the worldwide headlines about Serb "tolerance" where Gays have been beaten barbarically in the middle of downtown Belgrade.
Kind regards.
(Askush)
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You and your camp always beat around the bush.
Firstly; Whatever you mentioned maybe correct or incorrect, thats irelevent. Its not regarding the article. So nice try putting a neg. twist on a positive turn.
Secondly; You insecurites in regards to the issue at hand is very obvious. I suggest you read into whatever it is you feel you should comment on, before you comment at all.
Hey Jeremic there will be no Umnik there. Just Kosova authorities. Today like this next time with name tags and than with flags.. LOL I wonder if Europe needed Serbia so much why did they insist that kosova be there too?
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Why is EU pushing Serbia so hard to comply with demands to join their club? ----- this of course being ,,,,, as you said "who needs Serbia". lol
If, as mijari claims comments from Serbia will forever be ignored by 'Kosova,'why on earth are he/she and his/her ilk constantly commenting about Serbian affairs on a Serbian news portal. On the contrary, I suspect they are obsessed with every item of news emanating from Serbia. Kosovo will naturally gravitate towards Serbia because she belongs to Serbia, and historically always has. The local Serbs stubbornly hang on, despite your brutality. And so I say to you who are blinded by hatred, embrace diversity as we in the West have done. Abandon your primitive nationalism and exclusivism, and look to the future.
Story of the day is k-alb ministry and their criminal activities.I`m sure non of the neighbors are happy to be sitting next to criminals from interpols most wanted list.But thanks to Vuk and smart diplomacy they can bet on the days until they see snake behind bars..
Great job Vuk..
jeremic and his company including tadic need votes from serb nationalists.they know very well that kosovo is an independet state but cant accept it because they would lose face and the next elections in serbia.in fact kosovo dont care what serbia has to say.comments from serbia will forever be ignored in kosovo.
What are you talking about ? Kosovo will be presented at the summit the same way as Serbia will. You just want to save face from your people by lying to them that Kosovo will not be presented as a state at the summit. Hey then Serbia will not be presented as a state either I guess. And the spanish presendency knowes that the meeting would be a farce if Kosovo or Serbia diden't show up. Do serbs really think that Kosovo would go if it woulden't be presented equal as every other country ? I don't think so..
about this, jeremic has a good point -- they are practicing their policies in full continuity with the LAST govt, by which they mean the MILOSEVIC regime.
(roberto, 1 May 2010 17:34)
What a ridicules comment. You albos would like to blame everything on Milosevic. I know, burning our churches, desecrating our cemeteries, cutting power to Serbian villages, stoning busses and elderly serb citizens, shutting phone services to Serbian villages, terrorizing innocent people on daily bases. That bad bad Milosevic sure gets a round. Milosevic is dead……..Take responsibility for your own actions. And lest checked Kostunicas government was in charge before Tadic.
It is an equal representation of all attendees, regardles of what Vuk says.
Serbia can't stand the fact that if Kosova does not participate, all the important EU reps will not attend and this conference will fail. In other words, "EU foreign policy chief Catherine Ashton and EU enlargement commissioner Stefan Fuele have indicated they will only attend if the presence of all Western Balkan countries, including Kosovo, is guaranteed".
What Vuk is saying is just fog for internal Serbian consumption.
Well done Jeremic! With your stance against Kosovo/a Albanians you are contributing everyday towards their "integration" into Serbia, "its territorial integrity", and most important is helping Serbia a lot in exercising "its sovereignity" in Kosovo/a. You know what I really mean.)
Pete, lets just say that B92 has become the mouthpiece of the propaganda machinery of the spin doctors in Belgrade. Lets just be open and also say that there's too many untruths and too much propaganda from the Serb camp that write here on the daily basis. We're here to counter some of that. This has nothing to do with obsession; if it did we would have English propaganda machineries coming from Prishtina. Fact is we simply do not care but we will not stay mute when it comes to so much untruths being said here. The point is not to convince you or anyone from your camp and make you change your mind. That would be mission impossible. The point is to reach those other ones out there, that do not know anything regarding this issue whose thoughts B92 is trying to poison on a daily basis with lies and propaganda. Now here on this site our efforts to present the other side of the coin are limited; since the censor aparitchiks of B92 censor anything containing facts and sources that our side writes and leave only the message of those who shout. That is also another way they try to shape the message outsiders see. Nevertheless giving up is not an option. Hope I explained a few things.
Johny: "Pete, lets just say that B92 has become the mouthpiece of the propaganda machinery of the spin doctors in Belgrade."
If that were the case, then why would they be publishing your comment? In every other news site your comment would never have been published and the moderators would be far more editorially biased in what they allow through.
This is the most open news site discussion board that I have come across. I congratulate B92 for being so liberal in the comments that they publish, and I am sure that the moderators must sometimes be driven to the verge of a nervous breakdown :)
Johny - Point me to any other site which would publish such a comment as your's or be so open?
Plus, I hate to blow your conspiracy theory, but most of the English speakers on here are people like me, from whichever country, who just feel very strongly about one/ both of two things:
- That Serbia and most Serbians have suffered a major injustice for a very long time. Firstly under Milosevic and for many many years from the 'international community'.
There are devils and angels in all societies; we are all the same and want the same things. When I see a whole nation being demonised I know that something is very wrong and I am being lied to.
- The issue of Kosovo also directly affects every European and those beyond on a law and security basis, because if a single ethnic group are allowed to annex land and a state's boundaries are not protected by international law, then the fall-out will be enormous for all of us.
>>What a ridicules comment. You albos would like to blame everything on Milosevic. --usa serb
so, what's an "albo"? is that yr nasty shorthand for albanian? i'm sorry to disappoint but i have no albanian blood to my knowledge. just like those other nice people that knew how to "deal" w/ my people... actually i'm jewish and live in, oh, never mind. so yes, you can tell me, like the others, "go pray to allah" (which means God), "self-admitted Jew," "typical california liberal" or all the other nonsense they love to print about me, but i really don't care and it doesn't take us away from the issue of the grotesque continuity of milosevic policies and specific support for the war mass-murderers. get it?
It completely baffles me as to how the make-shift government in Prishtina is allowed to continue in the manner it does. Well done Jeremic for standing up for Serbia & the rights of the Serbian people.
"Everything I read what Vuk said is just a wishfull thinking. what do you excpect from people that beleive in myths and witchcraft!
(Kosova-USA, 1 May 2010 15:20)"
And your people, what about them? Blood feuds? That doesn't occur in a civilized nation. You need some education. I cannot believe you live in the US, as your command of the English language is horrible and your cognition is at the level of an elementary school student. Thus, I don't see how you could get a job here. At any rate, keep on making those buffoonish comments; they are very entertaining to the educated American elite;-)
>>He said that Belgrade is practicing “policies in full continuity with the last government,” because Kosovo cannot be a topic of partisan disputes, adding that all parties “must breathe as one” when Kosovo is in question, because that is the only chance for success. >>
about this, jeremic has a good point -- they are practicing their policies in full continuity with the LAST govt, by which they mean the MILOSEVIC regime. full continuity of arrogance, full continuity of aggressiveness, full continuity of bull-headedness, full continuity of stupidity. full cover for war criminals. so thanks, vuk, for being so up-front about yr regime's motivation.
as for this particular media outlet, no one owns the voice, and all are free (should be free) to comment regardless of political persuasion. that is called a democratic press.
johny on the one hand B92 is accused of being controlled by the nationalist Serbian government and on the other it is accused of being controlled by George Soros and foreign interests.
Both views are remarkably short sighted. This media outlet like any other, has pressure to deal with from outside sources, but for the most part does a very good job in resisting interference in its editorial policy.
On balance the 'bias' expressed by B92 is one created / shared by the journalists who work for it.
So perhaps you should not see ghosts under the bed, where there are none.
As for the 'liberal' view that Serbia has no right to a foreign policy. I beg to differ. It has every right to persue all legal means to achieve its goals, just as any other country. Its sad that Belgrade has to play an obstructionist role in this moment in time on the Kosovo issue, but this wasn't a problem created by the current government.
Roberto - I applaud you for having a strong stance and not being Albanian yourself. I can relate to that.
But I have never heard you say anything vaguely balanced about war crimes. All of us know that terrible atrocities have been carried out in Kosovo by people of all ethnicities, and yet I have never heard you say even once that Kosovo Albanians have done terrible things to Serbians, especially since the 'liberation'.
The KLA also carried out terrible crimes against 'disloyal' Albanians or those considered to have helped their Serbian neighbours.
If you have a strong stance from the outside then why do you not feel for the suffering of the Serbian communities there, or the millions of totally innocent people who suffered under the months of bombing?
Also, I do wonder if you realise that your liberal stance and lifestyle would be tolerated by very few in Pristina.
For example, are you aware that people have claimed asylum because their very lives are endangered by being gay and Kosovo Albanian?
I am genuinely interested in how you tie this all together with your support.
@Fluid I think you are wrong here bud. It's you Kosovo Albanians that can't stand Serbs. We don't go around demolishing everything Albanian in the south. That's because we don't care. Every Serb knows that Kosovo Albanians are a fad that will eventually be replaced with another, like all fads, once the US & an' a throws in the towel. Then what? The US won't give a crap about the failed social science project: 'Kosovah'.
I am genuinely interested in how you tie this all together with your support.
(kate, 2 May 2010 12:53)
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Kate, Roberto has never condemned any crimes agains the Serbs for one reason only, his bias.
Now only people who are personally connected have such a strong bias. You can have strong opinion on what you see as an injustice but that goes to all if you are not personally involved.
Why do you think Roberto has never felt sorry for the Serbs? He has personal attachment to one side and that side is Muslim side, whether it be Bosnian Muslims or Albanains.
Hi Kate.
First of all i congratulate Jeremic for his kindness to allow all the countries of the region to participate in Sarajevo.
I personally don't know what we could do without his wisdom.
Secondly are you talking about the tolerance that Serbs have shown towards Gay Serbs?
I have seen the worldwide headlines about Serb "tolerance" where Gays have been beaten barbarically in the middle of downtown Belgrade.
Kind regards.
Hi Kate.
First of all i congratulate Jeremic for his kindness to allow all the countries of the region to participate in Sarajevo.
I personally don't know what we could do without his wisdom.
Secondly are you talking about the tolerance that Serbs have shown towards Gay Serbs?
I have seen the worldwide headlines about Serb "tolerance" where Gays have been beaten barbarically in the middle of downtown Belgrade.
Kind regards.
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You and your camp always beat around the bush.
Firstly; Whatever you mentioned maybe correct or incorrect, thats irelevent. Its not regarding the article. So nice try putting a neg. twist on a positive turn.
Secondly; You insecurites in regards to the issue at hand is very obvious. I suggest you read into whatever it is you feel you should comment on, before you comment at all.
Secondly are you talking about the tolerance that Serbs have shown towards Gay Serbs?
I have seen the worldwide headlines about Serb "tolerance" where Gays have been beaten barbarically in the middle of downtown Belgrade.
Kind regards.
(Askush, 2 May 2010 18:49)
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There are still areas in Melbourne where gays won't go into.
We've had many gay bashings in this city as well.
I personally think it's wrong and anyone doing this should be thrown in jail but Serbia is not the only country where this happens.
Do you think this is tolerated in Albania or other places in Eastern Europe?
Hey Jeremic there will be no Umnik there. Just Kosova authorities. Today like this next time with name tags and than with flags.. LOL I wonder if Europe needed Serbia so much why did they insist that kosova be there too?
“Also, I do wonder if you realise that your liberal stance and lifestyle would be tolerated by very few in Pristina.
For example, are you aware that people have claimed asylum because their very lives are endangered by being gay and Kosovo Albanian?”
I think Kate that you have pointed on an important issue. I lived one year in Kosovo and could talk to people from the gay community in Pristina. As in the whole of the Balkans they have a difficult stance in the society, though they are protected by the most modern laws in Europe. In this case I see no difference with the other countries. In Serbia an open threat against gay-people also exists, as the last discussions around the street-parade have shown and homophobia is not a stranger in the country .
I don’t know if you were ever in Pristina where life and having party is not much different from Belgrade. You won’t have a problem to live “a liberal stance and lifestyle” like in most of the cities in Kosovo . Different it will be in rural areas, but that is a phenomenon you’ll find everywhere on the world.
I admit that I have a problem with being balanced about war crimes. I am just reading the book: “Stripping Bare the Body”, Politics – Violence – War by Mark Danner, who was e.g. journalist for the New Yorker and Times Magazine. In the part of the “Saddest Story” he describes the ways on which the war in Bosnia developed. He tells about his meetings with Karadzic and Mladic, about developing political backgrounds in USA, France, Germany, Serbia and Pale, but most of all about the terrible fates of innocent people. Behind these war crimes you’ll find the few, who were instigating, acting or just waiting, watching and doing nothing. History will show the truth, and I don’t mean the history, as it is written by Croats, Slovenes, Serbs or Kosovars. For a long time Russia has pointed to the Germans as the murders of thousands of Polish officers until they opened the documents that showed a different story. I hope that one day the Serbian government will open their documents, if they still exist, about the decisions the Milosevic’ government has made during the nineties. For now with me, even if only ten percent is true what Mark Danner describes in his book, I have troubles to be balanced. I only see how the Serbian people tries, by adopting a plea for acknowledging the atrocities against the Serbian population – that happened also after the war in Kosovo -, as a fighter who tried to exterminate his opponent and asked from the almost killed person to make his excuse that he punched back and hurt him too.
@cees You baffle me. The west decided that Serbia should accept the responsibility of the "crimes" committed by Bosnian Serbs because the Bosnian Serbs refused to do so themselves. Are you aware of the fact that Serbs didn't fight in Bosnia and Croatia? But Bosnian & Croatian Serbs. The declaration was tasked to encourage every country from the former Yugoslavia to do the same - express their own guilty past. It is the Bosnian and Croatian Serbs that should be requesting this exact policy and not Belgrade. As for gays, why is this such an issue? If the people of Serbia don't wish to have a gay pride parade then their wish should be respected. If gay people wish to be treated as any other citizen, then why have an extraordinary parade plastering raw sexuality all over the place for the kids to see. If that's normal then where is our straight parade?
kosovo can not participate as a state ....isnt that double speak?? no country there will participate as a state ...isnt that what vuk wanted ....please dont now act as if you scored a victory !!!!! that aint even a silver lining mr jeremic!!!!!
This might come as a surprise to some but their are more pressing matters that need addressing in Serbia than bending to the will of the west. Gays are tolerated enough in Serbia, it's the gay parade that Serbs want no part in. The people spoke and the authorities went ahead as planned to appease their western masters. What did you expect would happen!? Just look at Israel, same thing happened their and they're a long-time western ally.
Hey Jeremic there will be no Umnik there. Just Kosova authorities. Today like this next time with name tags and than with flags.. LOL I wonder if Europe needed Serbia so much why did they insist that kosova be there too?
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Why is EU pushing Serbia so hard to comply with demands to join their club? ----- this of course being ,,,,, as you said "who needs Serbia". lol
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