Dodik on number of killed in Srebrenica

Dodik!What a cruel man, like coming from dark primitive ages.

DNA results of the International Commission on Missing Persons support an estimate of 8,100 Srebrenica genocide victims killed in July 1995. Srebrenica victims who were previously removed from the list of missing are not counted among the dead.

Are you afraid of the truth, Kozeta? No harm in verifying numbers - maybe they were exaggerated to make one side look bad?

Dodik is right! They consider casualties of work in and around the neighborhoods to be those of the massacre. The soldier that were fighting in the woods after fleeing Srebrenica way before VRS came to the city fough battles en route to Tuzla, those killed in those actions were also transported back to Srebrenica to be part of that massacre. Even some soldiers killed far away from Srebrenica are part of those buried in those graves adding up to the numbers of 7500....

Dodik cherry picks his information from the RDC report, if he uses their data then he is endorsing their findings and their findings confirm the horror and its scale. These attempts by Dodik et al to re write history are reprehensible and say more about his morality and intellectual honesty, or lack thereof.

Regardless if it was 7500 or 7250 that were unjustly killed it happened. The Jasenovac numbers are way off, but not like in Srebrenica as it its pretty close. Dodik and the RS are making excuses and should not be micromanaging this atrocity. Comparing and investigating 30,000 to 700,000 murdered in Jasenovac absolutely does! The RS and Dodik is just adding fire to the flame. Childish games in Bosnia on both sides will continue!

I have said this before on B92

I love quoting myself.

"I find it funny how Bosnia wont agree to a population census to find out who is missing and where people have gone to live but we keep hearing 8000 people were killed, that number still to be confirmed but the Bosnian government (puppet state) won't allow a population census what dose this tell you ?

I lived in Australia in the early to mid 90's and the amount of Bosnian refugees were staggering especially from Srebrenica and central Bosnia.

Look at the Australian census web site for confirmation."

iko,

Yeah, because the BiH economy has been going gang busters with all the drugs and guns and the people are so busy with ummm ? the war ended in 1996 that 's 14 years ago, for the size and population of BiH this should have been done years ago and would not have taken 14 years. There is a difference with being busy and avoiding for the sympathy of the world. Just outright refusal. Only you BiH would see this as a "propaganda tool".

Also I said "early to mid 90's" but as you know I love quoting myself, We left because of communism and the poor treatment from Muslims, Croat's and Albanians from Kosovo, we lived everywhere in the old Yugoslavia and everywhere it was the same, we were looked down on because we were Christian Serb.
Weren't so sympathetic when Mujahideen joined the fight in Bosnia against Christian Serbs sent from Afghanistan and the middle east, just Google Mujahideen in Bosnia. ohh and if you don't know your history you cam from Serbs, all Bosnian Muslims can from Serbs, it was the Ottomans that converted you to Islam.

Boban, since you've lived in Australia, a wealthy industrialised society, you would have seen that even with its tax revenue and resources and a relatively undisturbed development of its infrastructure it still has major problems with its transport systems and public utilities . 14 years sounds a long time when measured by your life span but by an infrastructure development programme its barely a couple of roads and if you’re lucky a bridge. BiH was flattened; apartments, archival deposits, communication networks, bridges, roads, transport in all forms, health system and so on and on, then it lives with a divided economy and no great security to attract foreign investment. The aid that flow into it has political strings attached as well as outside administrators making policy decisions and even then the funds barely cover basic maintenance of its limited social welfare system. Corruption is never far from a system that is in survival mode, your implication that it is some sort of Bosnian psyche problem is pitiful and your understanding of the origins and development of a culture is one eyed and thinly racist. I’m sorry for your circumstances in terms of forced movement but I don’t know whether the chip on your shoulder is a response to or a contributing factor in your situation. Finally some times a sympathetic response whilst not requested is the decent thing to offer, even better is a helping hand.

Boban, if you are suggesting that the migration of people from Srebrenica and central Bosnia explains their disappearance and thus inflates the number of victims of the ‘ethnic culling’ that took place in these areas then you need to stop repeating yourself and start researching the details or consider what else such information tells you.
The cross referencing of names of migrants and refugees is the first and most efficient point of the process for accounting of the ‘disappeared’ as it leaves a paper trail if a name can be supplied and confirmed (meaning some did create new identities but on pain of losing their new status in their new homelands if such is revealed) and the RDC and UNHCR rigorously followed this trail in their respective reports.
A census taking now would by default endorse the current population spread and thus become an instrument for ethnic apartheid. The ‘puppeteers’ of RS would welcome this process but many would see it is a propaganda tool. If the questions could be framed as to where you believe you should be residing or where you lived in 1991 and what made you leave your residence or such questions, then there may be some use of the census but as you have lived in Australia and apparently seen their census, such questions are speculative and cut from the process – it is at a precise point in time about current conditions at that moment that a census is taken. Sadly BiH hasn’t even the luxury of having that moment in time when they can pause and give an account of their lives as their living is still a struggle of dealing with a profundly tragic and vicious past and a manipulative present.

Dodik!What a cruel man, like coming from dark primitive ages.

DNA results of the International Commission on Missing Persons support an estimate of 8,100 Srebrenica genocide victims killed in July 1995. Srebrenica victims who were previously removed from the list of missing are not counted among the dead.

Dodik is right! They consider casualties of work in and around the neighborhoods to be those of the massacre. The soldier that were fighting in the woods after fleeing Srebrenica way before VRS came to the city fough battles en route to Tuzla, those killed in those actions were also transported back to Srebrenica to be part of that massacre. Even some soldiers killed far away from Srebrenica are part of those buried in those graves adding up to the numbers of 7500....

Are you afraid of the truth, Kozeta? No harm in verifying numbers - maybe they were exaggerated to make one side look bad?

Regardless if it was 7500 or 7250 that were unjustly killed it happened. The Jasenovac numbers are way off, but not like in Srebrenica as it its pretty close. Dodik and the RS are making excuses and should not be micromanaging this atrocity. Comparing and investigating 30,000 to 700,000 murdered in Jasenovac absolutely does! The RS and Dodik is just adding fire to the flame. Childish games in Bosnia on both sides will continue!

Dodik cherry picks his information from the RDC report, if he uses their data then he is endorsing their findings and their findings confirm the horror and its scale. These attempts by Dodik et al to re write history are reprehensible and say more about his morality and intellectual honesty, or lack thereof.

I have said this before on B92

I love quoting myself.

"I find it funny how Bosnia wont agree to a population census to find out who is missing and where people have gone to live but we keep hearing 8000 people were killed, that number still to be confirmed but the Bosnian government (puppet state) won't allow a population census what dose this tell you ?

I lived in Australia in the early to mid 90's and the amount of Bosnian refugees were staggering especially from Srebrenica and central Bosnia.

Look at the Australian census web site for confirmation."

Boban, if you are suggesting that the migration of people from Srebrenica and central Bosnia explains their disappearance and thus inflates the number of victims of the ‘ethnic culling’ that took place in these areas then you need to stop repeating yourself and start researching the details or consider what else such information tells you.
The cross referencing of names of migrants and refugees is the first and most efficient point of the process for accounting of the ‘disappeared’ as it leaves a paper trail if a name can be supplied and confirmed (meaning some did create new identities but on pain of losing their new status in their new homelands if such is revealed) and the RDC and UNHCR rigorously followed this trail in their respective reports.
A census taking now would by default endorse the current population spread and thus become an instrument for ethnic apartheid. The ‘puppeteers’ of RS would welcome this process but many would see it is a propaganda tool. If the questions could be framed as to where you believe you should be residing or where you lived in 1991 and what made you leave your residence or such questions, then there may be some use of the census but as you have lived in Australia and apparently seen their census, such questions are speculative and cut from the process – it is at a precise point in time about current conditions at that moment that a census is taken. Sadly BiH hasn’t even the luxury of having that moment in time when they can pause and give an account of their lives as their living is still a struggle of dealing with a profundly tragic and vicious past and a manipulative present.

iko,

Yeah, because the BiH economy has been going gang busters with all the drugs and guns and the people are so busy with ummm ? the war ended in 1996 that 's 14 years ago, for the size and population of BiH this should have been done years ago and would not have taken 14 years. There is a difference with being busy and avoiding for the sympathy of the world. Just outright refusal. Only you BiH would see this as a "propaganda tool".

Also I said "early to mid 90's" but as you know I love quoting myself, We left because of communism and the poor treatment from Muslims, Croat's and Albanians from Kosovo, we lived everywhere in the old Yugoslavia and everywhere it was the same, we were looked down on because we were Christian Serb.
Weren't so sympathetic when Mujahideen joined the fight in Bosnia against Christian Serbs sent from Afghanistan and the middle east, just Google Mujahideen in Bosnia. ohh and if you don't know your history you cam from Serbs, all Bosnian Muslims can from Serbs, it was the Ottomans that converted you to Islam.

Boban, since you've lived in Australia, a wealthy industrialised society, you would have seen that even with its tax revenue and resources and a relatively undisturbed development of its infrastructure it still has major problems with its transport systems and public utilities . 14 years sounds a long time when measured by your life span but by an infrastructure development programme its barely a couple of roads and if you’re lucky a bridge. BiH was flattened; apartments, archival deposits, communication networks, bridges, roads, transport in all forms, health system and so on and on, then it lives with a divided economy and no great security to attract foreign investment. The aid that flow into it has political strings attached as well as outside administrators making policy decisions and even then the funds barely cover basic maintenance of its limited social welfare system. Corruption is never far from a system that is in survival mode, your implication that it is some sort of Bosnian psyche problem is pitiful and your understanding of the origins and development of a culture is one eyed and thinly racist. I’m sorry for your circumstances in terms of forced movement but I don’t know whether the chip on your shoulder is a response to or a contributing factor in your situation. Finally some times a sympathetic response whilst not requested is the decent thing to offer, even better is a helping hand.