At least a small sign of decency from a foreigner with a Hungarian passport, who expressed his wish some 2 months ago on this site to GMR8Vto see the start of Greater Croatia or Greater-Serbia at the 0 km stone in Budapest.
Bravo! I am please to see that the citizens of the EU are starting to see through the technocratic lies of the EU neocons and voting for parties that consider their countries and people priority number one.
More please.
(Peter Sudyka, 13 April 2010 08:05)
Piotr,
This was not about any country. The citizens in question?
Their view is as obstructed as the view of certain trolls on this web site.
Bravo! I am please to see that the citizens of the EU are starting to see through the technocratic lies of the EU neocons and voting for parties that consider their countries and people priority number one.
Jobbik" is an other surprise. The followers of Gábor Vona still dream about Islam Revolutionary Guards strolling in Budapest and policing the Jews (as Gábor Vona demanded few month ago)
Ataman
A lot of people would say the
success of Jobbik is not a surprise but it follows the trend of other EU countries.
Italy's North League,France's Le Pen,Holland's Wilders or the British national Party have all registered big increases in their votes in recent elections.
These parties exploit current
disaffection of white working class people with current economic policies.The
islamization of Europe is another reason why people vote for rightwing parties.
Le pen,for example,wants to expell all the Arabs and African from France.
I am afraid Ataman these parties will continue to gain
strength on the back of failures of Liberal democracies.As the economic situation worsens in Europe these parties will gain more prominence.
Ataman - It cant be all bad at least you are getting some faith in God. With God you are the majority cant go wrong their. Before some here would jump in joy - all I have to say, God save us from such "allies" like Vona, amen.
Everyone was dissatisfied with the corruption within the current quasi-liberal leadership, FIDESZ won without even having a program or a TV debate.
I know nothing about EURO.
The choices were:
1) somewhat leftist FIDESZ with strong smell of fascism. Their concern in not Greater Hungary but Greater Viktor Orbán. He is a demagogue, hence we can find quite a but of populism, ought to please the voters. His nickname is "mini-Duce", but given the ambitions I would rather call Mussolini "mini-Orbán".
2) Ex-Communist MSZP. There is not much "left" in their deeds, except that they stole what they could left and right. I would judge them as champions of post-socialist era, surpassed by Russian oligarhs only because Russia has more resources. At the proportional scale (comparing the possibilities) they surpassed everyone. To a large part they are responsible for the mismanagement of the country in last 8 years in tandem with coalition partner SZDSZ (now down the tube). If I would be involved in SZDSZ, I would certainly seek asylum in South America soon.
3) The most amazing party - "Jobbik". Wrongly, it is called "far right". It is de-facto a national-bolshevik party, with all what you expect from national-bolsheviks.
Good joke:
- "What is the difference between Ahmadinejad and Gábor Vona?"
- "Ahmadinejad denies Holocaust, Gábor Vona demands an other one"
A slogan I did personally see:
"Holocaust nem volt, hanem lesz!" ( = "there wasn't a /real/ Holocaust, it will be!")
Regarding economy their program has nothing to do with Euro, it was about confiscation of property of rich and revenge.
So it was what we can easily call as "national-Leninist".
Now here goes the surprise and that makes any voting in Hungary extremely difficult. All political parties completely lack spine. Sadly, the party with biggest spine is the (surprise!) MSZP-SZDSZ, not FIDESZ and certainly not "Jobbik".
FIDESZ started as liberal-democratic party a decade or two ago - but Orbán was advised to take the "virtual" right place after it was vacated by slowly disappearing "condervative" MDF. Orbán - as I already said - takes care about Orbán only, so he made the 180 degree turn and executed it brilliantly. He would make an other 180 degree turn at any time. Not long ago with Great Hungary in mind he was buddy-buddy with Tomislav Nikolic only few weeks ago.
"Jobbik" is an other surprise. The followers of Gábor Vona still dream about Islam Revolutionary Guards strolling in Budapest and policing the Jews (as Gábor Vona demanded few month ago). A while ago they desecrated the Soviet monument of fallen Soviet soldiers, just across the U.S. Embassy in Budapest - great opportunity to yell anti-American slogans, too.
Yesterday Gábor Vona celebrated a really big victory: true, they are "only" third on the paper, but if we look at the map of Hungary, he is victorious in over 50% of the territory. No wonder he said: "I am sure, 2/3 of Hungarians are for Jobbik, they just did not realize it".
At the same time - he gave an interview where he outlined a very much PRO-RUSSIAN and PRO-CHINESE orientation. He "forgot" all anti-Semitic rethoric. Surprisingly he in person begun totally re-arrange himself probably because it is easier to find people in Hungary who have happy memories from the time of "Soviet Occupation" than to convince everyone about necessity of an other pogrom. Of course his followers did not realize it, but the writing is on the wall: Gábor Vona will firmly embed his tongue in the rear of Russians or Indians, maybe Chinese pretty soon. There are strong rumors, he gets a lot of money from Russia and in exchange for that he has to "behave".
Before some here would jump in joy - all I have to say, God save us from such "allies" like Vona, amen.
Unlike FIDESZ (and unlike known Nazi or Bolshevik parties in the past) I do not see personal cult within Jobbik at all. IMO, they just pull out with the biggest populist thing possible and go along. Not sure, what will happen with their militant/youth wing ("64 Counties") with László Toroczkai et-ce-tera. They are still at second Holocaust and Tokyo being part of Hungary.
Common sign: all three maffias excell at total lack of spine, needing to lick someone's behind and total lack of any economic program.
I wasn't voting. My mom and my wife went to vote (why, on Earth?) and reported me pretty ugly set-up, allowing certain people to spy how citizens vote. Totally unimaginable in the States. Before the vote a scandal broke out, turned out in the city of Pécs (not to be confused with Pec yet, but things could change if you ask "64 Counties") FIDESZ tries to maintain a database of people who do not vote for them. I was wondering, how it is possible - now we maybe got the answer: the papers (according my mom) stuck pretty peculiarly and it was impossible to "randomize" them. I.e. after the vote who wanted could nicely sort out the order and compare it with the list of people on-hand. My wife did not observed that but she is more naive. Both girls voted for some in MSZP, some in MDF, some in the independent - not sure precisely. Of course not "Jobbik" and of course not FIDESZ. I told them, my hand just can't put the cross opposite anyone associated with MSZP either, but they were concerned about FIDESZ getting the 2/3 of the votes.
Everyone was dissatisfied with the corruption within the current quasi-liberal leadership, FIDESZ won without even having a program or a TV debate.
I know nothing about EURO.
The choices were:
1) somewhat leftist FIDESZ with strong smell of fascism. Their concern in not Greater Hungary but Greater Viktor Orbán. He is a demagogue, hence we can find quite a but of populism, ought to please the voters. His nickname is "mini-Duce", but given the ambitions I would rather call Mussolini "mini-Orbán".
2) Ex-Communist MSZP. There is not much "left" in their deeds, except that they stole what they could left and right. I would judge them as champions of post-socialist era, surpassed by Russian oligarhs only because Russia has more resources. At the proportional scale (comparing the possibilities) they surpassed everyone. To a large part they are responsible for the mismanagement of the country in last 8 years in tandem with coalition partner SZDSZ (now down the tube). If I would be involved in SZDSZ, I would certainly seek asylum in South America soon.
3) The most amazing party - "Jobbik". Wrongly, it is called "far right". It is de-facto a national-bolshevik party, with all what you expect from national-bolsheviks.
Good joke:
- "What is the difference between Ahmadinejad and Gábor Vona?"
- "Ahmadinejad denies Holocaust, Gábor Vona demands an other one"
A slogan I did personally see:
"Holocaust nem volt, hanem lesz!" ( = "there wasn't a /real/ Holocaust, it will be!")
Regarding economy their program has nothing to do with Euro, it was about confiscation of property of rich and revenge.
So it was what we can easily call as "national-Leninist".
Now here goes the surprise and that makes any voting in Hungary extremely difficult. All political parties completely lack spine. Sadly, the party with biggest spine is the (surprise!) MSZP-SZDSZ, not FIDESZ and certainly not "Jobbik".
FIDESZ started as liberal-democratic party a decade or two ago - but Orbán was advised to take the "virtual" right place after it was vacated by slowly disappearing "condervative" MDF. Orbán - as I already said - takes care about Orbán only, so he made the 180 degree turn and executed it brilliantly. He would make an other 180 degree turn at any time. Not long ago with Great Hungary in mind he was buddy-buddy with Tomislav Nikolic only few weeks ago.
"Jobbik" is an other surprise. The followers of Gábor Vona still dream about Islam Revolutionary Guards strolling in Budapest and policing the Jews (as Gábor Vona demanded few month ago). A while ago they desecrated the Soviet monument of fallen Soviet soldiers, just across the U.S. Embassy in Budapest - great opportunity to yell anti-American slogans, too.
Yesterday Gábor Vona celebrated a really big victory: true, they are "only" third on the paper, but if we look at the map of Hungary, he is victorious in over 50% of the territory. No wonder he said: "I am sure, 2/3 of Hungarians are for Jobbik, they just did not realize it".
At the same time - he gave an interview where he outlined a very much PRO-RUSSIAN and PRO-CHINESE orientation. He "forgot" all anti-Semitic rethoric. Surprisingly he in person begun totally re-arrange himself probably because it is easier to find people in Hungary who have happy memories from the time of "Soviet Occupation" than to convince everyone about necessity of an other pogrom. Of course his followers did not realize it, but the writing is on the wall: Gábor Vona will firmly embed his tongue in the rear of Russians or Indians, maybe Chinese pretty soon. There are strong rumors, he gets a lot of money from Russia and in exchange for that he has to "behave".
Before some here would jump in joy - all I have to say, God save us from such "allies" like Vona, amen.
Unlike FIDESZ (and unlike known Nazi or Bolshevik parties in the past) I do not see personal cult within Jobbik at all. IMO, they just pull out with the biggest populist thing possible and go along. Not sure, what will happen with their militant/youth wing ("64 Counties") with László Toroczkai et-ce-tera. They are still at second Holocaust and Tokyo being part of Hungary.
Common sign: all three maffias excell at total lack of spine, needing to lick someone's behind and total lack of any economic program.
I wasn't voting. My mom and my wife went to vote (why, on Earth?) and reported me pretty ugly set-up, allowing certain people to spy how citizens vote. Totally unimaginable in the States. Before the vote a scandal broke out, turned out in the city of Pécs (not to be confused with Pec yet, but things could change if you ask "64 Counties") FIDESZ tries to maintain a database of people who do not vote for them. I was wondering, how it is possible - now we maybe got the answer: the papers (according my mom) stuck pretty peculiarly and it was impossible to "randomize" them. I.e. after the vote who wanted could nicely sort out the order and compare it with the list of people on-hand. My wife did not observed that but she is more naive. Both girls voted for some in MSZP, some in MDF, some in the independent - not sure precisely. Of course not "Jobbik" and of course not FIDESZ. I told them, my hand just can't put the cross opposite anyone associated with MSZP either, but they were concerned about FIDESZ getting the 2/3 of the votes.
Ataman - It cant be all bad at least you are getting some faith in God. With God you are the majority cant go wrong their. Before some here would jump in joy - all I have to say, God save us from such "allies" like Vona, amen.
Jobbik" is an other surprise. The followers of Gábor Vona still dream about Islam Revolutionary Guards strolling in Budapest and policing the Jews (as Gábor Vona demanded few month ago)
Ataman
A lot of people would say the
success of Jobbik is not a surprise but it follows the trend of other EU countries.
Italy's North League,France's Le Pen,Holland's Wilders or the British national Party have all registered big increases in their votes in recent elections.
These parties exploit current
disaffection of white working class people with current economic policies.The
islamization of Europe is another reason why people vote for rightwing parties.
Le pen,for example,wants to expell all the Arabs and African from France.
I am afraid Ataman these parties will continue to gain
strength on the back of failures of Liberal democracies.As the economic situation worsens in Europe these parties will gain more prominence.
Bravo! I am please to see that the citizens of the EU are starting to see through the technocratic lies of the EU neocons and voting for parties that consider their countries and people priority number one.
Bravo! I am please to see that the citizens of the EU are starting to see through the technocratic lies of the EU neocons and voting for parties that consider their countries and people priority number one.
More please.
(Peter Sudyka, 13 April 2010 08:05)
Piotr,
This was not about any country. The citizens in question?
Their view is as obstructed as the view of certain trolls on this web site.
At least a small sign of decency from a foreigner with a Hungarian passport, who expressed his wish some 2 months ago on this site to GMR8Vto see the start of Greater Croatia or Greater-Serbia at the 0 km stone in Budapest.
At least a small sign of decency from a foreigner with a Hungarian passport, who expressed his wish some 2 months ago on this site to GMR8Vto see the start of Greater Croatia or Greater-Serbia at the 0 km stone in Budapest.
Bravo! I am please to see that the citizens of the EU are starting to see through the technocratic lies of the EU neocons and voting for parties that consider their countries and people priority number one.
More please.
(Peter Sudyka, 13 April 2010 08:05)
Piotr,
This was not about any country. The citizens in question?
Their view is as obstructed as the view of certain trolls on this web site.
Everyone was dissatisfied with the corruption within the current quasi-liberal leadership, FIDESZ won without even having a program or a TV debate.
I know nothing about EURO.
The choices were:
1) somewhat leftist FIDESZ with strong smell of fascism. Their concern in not Greater Hungary but Greater Viktor Orbán. He is a demagogue, hence we can find quite a but of populism, ought to please the voters. His nickname is "mini-Duce", but given the ambitions I would rather call Mussolini "mini-Orbán".
2) Ex-Communist MSZP. There is not much "left" in their deeds, except that they stole what they could left and right. I would judge them as champions of post-socialist era, surpassed by Russian oligarhs only because Russia has more resources. At the proportional scale (comparing the possibilities) they surpassed everyone. To a large part they are responsible for the mismanagement of the country in last 8 years in tandem with coalition partner SZDSZ (now down the tube). If I would be involved in SZDSZ, I would certainly seek asylum in South America soon.
3) The most amazing party - "Jobbik". Wrongly, it is called "far right". It is de-facto a national-bolshevik party, with all what you expect from national-bolsheviks.
Good joke:
- "What is the difference between Ahmadinejad and Gábor Vona?"
- "Ahmadinejad denies Holocaust, Gábor Vona demands an other one"
A slogan I did personally see:
"Holocaust nem volt, hanem lesz!" ( = "there wasn't a /real/ Holocaust, it will be!")
Regarding economy their program has nothing to do with Euro, it was about confiscation of property of rich and revenge.
So it was what we can easily call as "national-Leninist".
Now here goes the surprise and that makes any voting in Hungary extremely difficult. All political parties completely lack spine. Sadly, the party with biggest spine is the (surprise!) MSZP-SZDSZ, not FIDESZ and certainly not "Jobbik".
FIDESZ started as liberal-democratic party a decade or two ago - but Orbán was advised to take the "virtual" right place after it was vacated by slowly disappearing "condervative" MDF. Orbán - as I already said - takes care about Orbán only, so he made the 180 degree turn and executed it brilliantly. He would make an other 180 degree turn at any time. Not long ago with Great Hungary in mind he was buddy-buddy with Tomislav Nikolic only few weeks ago.
"Jobbik" is an other surprise. The followers of Gábor Vona still dream about Islam Revolutionary Guards strolling in Budapest and policing the Jews (as Gábor Vona demanded few month ago). A while ago they desecrated the Soviet monument of fallen Soviet soldiers, just across the U.S. Embassy in Budapest - great opportunity to yell anti-American slogans, too.
Yesterday Gábor Vona celebrated a really big victory: true, they are "only" third on the paper, but if we look at the map of Hungary, he is victorious in over 50% of the territory. No wonder he said: "I am sure, 2/3 of Hungarians are for Jobbik, they just did not realize it".
At the same time - he gave an interview where he outlined a very much PRO-RUSSIAN and PRO-CHINESE orientation. He "forgot" all anti-Semitic rethoric. Surprisingly he in person begun totally re-arrange himself probably because it is easier to find people in Hungary who have happy memories from the time of "Soviet Occupation" than to convince everyone about necessity of an other pogrom. Of course his followers did not realize it, but the writing is on the wall: Gábor Vona will firmly embed his tongue in the rear of Russians or Indians, maybe Chinese pretty soon. There are strong rumors, he gets a lot of money from Russia and in exchange for that he has to "behave".
Before some here would jump in joy - all I have to say, God save us from such "allies" like Vona, amen.
Unlike FIDESZ (and unlike known Nazi or Bolshevik parties in the past) I do not see personal cult within Jobbik at all. IMO, they just pull out with the biggest populist thing possible and go along. Not sure, what will happen with their militant/youth wing ("64 Counties") with László Toroczkai et-ce-tera. They are still at second Holocaust and Tokyo being part of Hungary.
Common sign: all three maffias excell at total lack of spine, needing to lick someone's behind and total lack of any economic program.
I wasn't voting. My mom and my wife went to vote (why, on Earth?) and reported me pretty ugly set-up, allowing certain people to spy how citizens vote. Totally unimaginable in the States. Before the vote a scandal broke out, turned out in the city of Pécs (not to be confused with Pec yet, but things could change if you ask "64 Counties") FIDESZ tries to maintain a database of people who do not vote for them. I was wondering, how it is possible - now we maybe got the answer: the papers (according my mom) stuck pretty peculiarly and it was impossible to "randomize" them. I.e. after the vote who wanted could nicely sort out the order and compare it with the list of people on-hand. My wife did not observed that but she is more naive. Both girls voted for some in MSZP, some in MDF, some in the independent - not sure precisely. Of course not "Jobbik" and of course not FIDESZ. I told them, my hand just can't put the cross opposite anyone associated with MSZP either, but they were concerned about FIDESZ getting the 2/3 of the votes.
Ataman - It cant be all bad at least you are getting some faith in God. With God you are the majority cant go wrong their. Before some here would jump in joy - all I have to say, God save us from such "allies" like Vona, amen.
Jobbik" is an other surprise. The followers of Gábor Vona still dream about Islam Revolutionary Guards strolling in Budapest and policing the Jews (as Gábor Vona demanded few month ago)
Ataman
A lot of people would say the
success of Jobbik is not a surprise but it follows the trend of other EU countries.
Italy's North League,France's Le Pen,Holland's Wilders or the British national Party have all registered big increases in their votes in recent elections.
These parties exploit current
disaffection of white working class people with current economic policies.The
islamization of Europe is another reason why people vote for rightwing parties.
Le pen,for example,wants to expell all the Arabs and African from France.
I am afraid Ataman these parties will continue to gain
strength on the back of failures of Liberal democracies.As the economic situation worsens in Europe these parties will gain more prominence.
Bravo! I am please to see that the citizens of the EU are starting to see through the technocratic lies of the EU neocons and voting for parties that consider their countries and people priority number one.
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