EU commissioner on integrations and Kosovo

Preconditions for establishing of any bilateral relations are:

- more then 210 000 Serbian and non-Albanian refugees, being expelled in the time of "international control" over Kosovo, should be provided with conditions for return to their homes and this plan should be implemented in practice,
- Kosovo Albanians should elect legitimate leaders and their present potential war crime suspects and organized mafia bosses like Thaci, Haradinaj and...should face the justice being expelled from public and political life.

These are 2 more then basic and legal preconditions for starting of any legitimate contact.
Without that : no talk is possible and your request Fuele must be seen just like another illegal international bully against Serbian state.

Why didn't the journalist ask whether Fuele defines Kosovo as a "neighbor" or Serbia?

"....bilateral matters should be solved in parallel with the EU integrations process," says Stefan Fuele.

This suggests that the EU wants Serbia to "normalise" relations with Kosovo before accession to the Union. This may very well mean recognition of Kosovo's independence.

When the Republic of Ireland joined the EEC (as it was then) in the early seventies, the Republic's constitution included a claim of juristiction over Northern Ireland. This was never an obstacle to membership and after a referendum the RoI was duly admitted.

If the Serbian people wish to join, their leaders must also insist that the Kosovo question is non-negotiable and must have no bearing on whether the country can or cannot join. Serbia must not allow its legitimate claim to Kosovo to be undermined by elements in the Union.

Serbia should never allow albanians to destroy Kosovo. No EU until the albanians and their prisonguards give back what they have stolen. I realize that by recognizing Kosovo the EU wanted to create a miniprison for albanians but this is nevertheless on Serbian soil. MUP need to go back to Kosovo and I promise that we will have peace and order once again.

Kosovo is not a neighbour of Serbia as it is PART of Serbia?

Or is California a neighbour of the USA?

Asked to comment on the statements heard from Serbia's top officials, who said they would choose the defense of Kosovo over joining the EU, Fuele said that he did not believe "anyone had asked them to make that choice".

That choice Jeremic or Serbs in general, may find at 2am when dreaming OR, when having couple of glasses of rakija.

When they get sound they notice that further disintergration is unfortunately or fortunately ienvitable, for the sake of peace and prosperity...is Serbia cares...

MUP need to go back to Kosovo and I promise that we will have peace and order once again.
(Mikael C, 2 April 2010 12:48)

MUP need to go back = personal wish that will never come true

Serbia... must "demonstrate that it has good relations with its neighbors, based on cooperation, tolerance, and mutual understanding".

I have studied a bit diplomacy...that to me means recognise Kosovo/a first before seriously thinking joining the EU. Serbia is risking in remaining a candidate for ever in other words "perpetual student".

Where I work the company has set up a "minimum expectations" for each member of staff. The way how I see it is how to "manage staff ou". I hope you get my point...)

Why didn't the journalist ask whether Fuele defines Kosovo as a "neighbor" or Serbia?
(Wim Roffel, 2 April 2010 12:36)

A very good point Wim.

By defining Kosovo as a neighbor, Fuele (and others) is overstepping his mandate/demands as Commissioner, especially as Kosovo has not been universally recognized by all EU states. He has to remain status neutral or make no comment.

This is a point that Belgrade should make every time it comes up from Brussels and the albanian fanclub: You cannot speak on behalf of all the EU on the question of 'good neighborly relations' if some have not recognized Kosovo, especially on such a non-technical issue as 'good neighborly relations' which is neither legally defined and clearly open to abuse, unlike the implementation of the acquis communautaire.

The word "but", means alot.
Serb politicians understand it very well, but they say anything and everything for public consumtion.

No EA, I actually do not get your point. I your attempt to sound clever, you make no sense. Anyway, how many times do you have to hear that EU membership and the Albanians illegal UDI are two different issues? I know that people like you would give your lives to hear a recognition from Serbia, but it won't happen, not in your lifetime. Belgrade will find a way to satisfy both issues, without any absurd recognition of illegal separatist Albanian land grabs.

Bad example when comparing California with Kosovo/a and USA with Serbia. Firstly Albanians in Kosovo and Serbians are two very very different languages, cultures etc. etc.
(EA, 2 April 2010 18:11)


EA, you should do some research before your posts.. As usual, your post are what you wished things would be. As I can gather from my own research from Wikipedia if you look closer Hispanics that live in California are 36.6%. As they are “different languages and cultures etc. etc“. There is about 1.8 million Albanians in Serbia including Serbian province of Kosovo and Metohija. That is approximately 20% Albanians of Serbias population. So you see, one could more then compare Serbia and California.


According to the 2006–2008 American Community Survey, California's population is:[25]
42.3% White (not including White Hispanic)
36.6% are Hispanic or Latino (of any race)
12.5% Asian
6.7% Black or African American
2.6% Multiracial
1.2% American Indian


I am still not getting any answer from Serbian panel here how do they envisage the re-integration of Kosovo into Serbia or in other words how do you see the establishment of Serbia's sovereignity in Kosovo/a?
(EA, 2 April 2010 21:47)

There is nothing to foresee or integrate, As UN Resolution 1244 explains:

1) Reaffirm the sovereignty and territorial integrity of the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia (i.e., Kosovo remains part of the FRY, to which Serbia is now the recognized successor state [1]) and the other States of the region, as set out in the Helsinki Final Act and annex 2 of UNSCR 1244.

2) Significance
Reference to the Article 1 of the Helsinki Accord places high value on the Sovereignty of Federal Republic of Yugoslavia with Kosovo recognized as an autonomous province. In a similar fashion the references to autonomy in 1244 articles points to a final goal of essentially returning Kosovo to the pre-1999 status of autonomous province within the Serbian legal framework. In this, the resolution is a partial success.
Serbia has recognized the region as an Autonomous Province within the modifications to the Serbian constitution in 2006, fundamentally in line with the security council resolution.
Self explanatory, don’t you think so?

Kosovo is Serbia.
Happy Easter…

How can EU ask Serbia to choose when there is nothing for Serbia to choose. What Serbia can choose is the policy with regard to EU path and Kosovo, but will be fullish to think that Serbia can choose Kosovo over EU or vice-versa. Serbia has no saying or choise on such matters. The only place Serbia may have a saying (not a choice) is northern Kosovo. So, dear "friends" , that's why you will never be asked to choose.

Ron,

Bad example when comparing California with Kosovo/a and USA with Serbia. Firstly Albanians in Kosovo and Serbians are two very very different languages, cultures etc. etc. Serbia never has been a Federative state. Don't confuse Serbia with Yugoslavia. If you were talking about United Albania then your logic would have made sense) You would have been more realistic) Have a happy Easter!

Karksdad,

You are wrong in thinking

"... I know that people like you would give your lives to hear a recognition from Serbia, but it won't happen, not in your lifetime."

I personally am not bothered whether whether Serbia recognises or doesn't recognise Kosovo/a's independence.

The ISSUE is whether Serbia will be allowed to join the EU without recognising Kosovo'a's independence first. I think it will NOT. You are entitled to your opinion and your hopes.

I am still not getting any answer from Serbian panel here how do they envisage the re-integration of Kosovo into Serbia or in other words how do you see the establishment of Serbia's sovereignity in Kosovo/a?

When they get sound they notice that further disintergration is unfortunately or fortunately ienvitable, for the sake of peace and prosperity...is Serbia cares...
(PRN)
-
You are right!!. For the sake of peace and prosperity it is Serbia, and yes until you recognize Serbia as your nation you will not experience this. ( you are finally getting it).. good day

"Neighbor" is different from "neighbor country". Serbia can cooperate with Kosovo even without recognizing it. They can have normal relationships in a wide range of issues. That is what the EU is asking.

Or is California a neighbour of the USA?
(Ron, 2 April 2010 15:25)
California has declared independence from the US?? Why am I the last to find these things out. Now I will have to take my passport when I go next week.
Or was this just another attempt to compare apples to firetrucks? Sorry, could not even use the apples to oranges analogy on this one.

MUP need to go back to Kosovo and I promise that we will have peace and order once again.
(Mikael C, 2 April 2010 12:48)

MUP need to go back = personal wish that will never come true

Serbia should never allow albanians to destroy Kosovo. No EU until the albanians and their prisonguards give back what they have stolen. I realize that by recognizing Kosovo the EU wanted to create a miniprison for albanians but this is nevertheless on Serbian soil. MUP need to go back to Kosovo and I promise that we will have peace and order once again.

Asked to comment on the statements heard from Serbia's top officials, who said they would choose the defense of Kosovo over joining the EU, Fuele said that he did not believe "anyone had asked them to make that choice".

That choice Jeremic or Serbs in general, may find at 2am when dreaming OR, when having couple of glasses of rakija.

When they get sound they notice that further disintergration is unfortunately or fortunately ienvitable, for the sake of peace and prosperity...is Serbia cares...

Serbia... must "demonstrate that it has good relations with its neighbors, based on cooperation, tolerance, and mutual understanding".

I have studied a bit diplomacy...that to me means recognise Kosovo/a first before seriously thinking joining the EU. Serbia is risking in remaining a candidate for ever in other words "perpetual student".

Where I work the company has set up a "minimum expectations" for each member of staff. The way how I see it is how to "manage staff ou". I hope you get my point...)

The word "but", means alot.
Serb politicians understand it very well, but they say anything and everything for public consumtion.

Preconditions for establishing of any bilateral relations are:

- more then 210 000 Serbian and non-Albanian refugees, being expelled in the time of "international control" over Kosovo, should be provided with conditions for return to their homes and this plan should be implemented in practice,
- Kosovo Albanians should elect legitimate leaders and their present potential war crime suspects and organized mafia bosses like Thaci, Haradinaj and...should face the justice being expelled from public and political life.

These are 2 more then basic and legal preconditions for starting of any legitimate contact.
Without that : no talk is possible and your request Fuele must be seen just like another illegal international bully against Serbian state.

How can EU ask Serbia to choose when there is nothing for Serbia to choose. What Serbia can choose is the policy with regard to EU path and Kosovo, but will be fullish to think that Serbia can choose Kosovo over EU or vice-versa. Serbia has no saying or choise on such matters. The only place Serbia may have a saying (not a choice) is northern Kosovo. So, dear "friends" , that's why you will never be asked to choose.

"....bilateral matters should be solved in parallel with the EU integrations process," says Stefan Fuele.

This suggests that the EU wants Serbia to "normalise" relations with Kosovo before accession to the Union. This may very well mean recognition of Kosovo's independence.

When the Republic of Ireland joined the EEC (as it was then) in the early seventies, the Republic's constitution included a claim of juristiction over Northern Ireland. This was never an obstacle to membership and after a referendum the RoI was duly admitted.

If the Serbian people wish to join, their leaders must also insist that the Kosovo question is non-negotiable and must have no bearing on whether the country can or cannot join. Serbia must not allow its legitimate claim to Kosovo to be undermined by elements in the Union.

Kosovo is not a neighbour of Serbia as it is PART of Serbia?

Or is California a neighbour of the USA?

Ron,

Bad example when comparing California with Kosovo/a and USA with Serbia. Firstly Albanians in Kosovo and Serbians are two very very different languages, cultures etc. etc. Serbia never has been a Federative state. Don't confuse Serbia with Yugoslavia. If you were talking about United Albania then your logic would have made sense) You would have been more realistic) Have a happy Easter!

"Neighbor" is different from "neighbor country". Serbia can cooperate with Kosovo even without recognizing it. They can have normal relationships in a wide range of issues. That is what the EU is asking.

Karksdad,

You are wrong in thinking

"... I know that people like you would give your lives to hear a recognition from Serbia, but it won't happen, not in your lifetime."

I personally am not bothered whether whether Serbia recognises or doesn't recognise Kosovo/a's independence.

The ISSUE is whether Serbia will be allowed to join the EU without recognising Kosovo'a's independence first. I think it will NOT. You are entitled to your opinion and your hopes.

I am still not getting any answer from Serbian panel here how do they envisage the re-integration of Kosovo into Serbia or in other words how do you see the establishment of Serbia's sovereignity in Kosovo/a?

Or is California a neighbour of the USA?
(Ron, 2 April 2010 15:25)
California has declared independence from the US?? Why am I the last to find these things out. Now I will have to take my passport when I go next week.
Or was this just another attempt to compare apples to firetrucks? Sorry, could not even use the apples to oranges analogy on this one.

Bad example when comparing California with Kosovo/a and USA with Serbia. Firstly Albanians in Kosovo and Serbians are two very very different languages, cultures etc. etc.
(EA, 2 April 2010 18:11)


EA, you should do some research before your posts.. As usual, your post are what you wished things would be. As I can gather from my own research from Wikipedia if you look closer Hispanics that live in California are 36.6%. As they are “different languages and cultures etc. etc“. There is about 1.8 million Albanians in Serbia including Serbian province of Kosovo and Metohija. That is approximately 20% Albanians of Serbias population. So you see, one could more then compare Serbia and California.


According to the 2006–2008 American Community Survey, California's population is:[25]
42.3% White (not including White Hispanic)
36.6% are Hispanic or Latino (of any race)
12.5% Asian
6.7% Black or African American
2.6% Multiracial
1.2% American Indian


I am still not getting any answer from Serbian panel here how do they envisage the re-integration of Kosovo into Serbia or in other words how do you see the establishment of Serbia's sovereignity in Kosovo/a?
(EA, 2 April 2010 21:47)

There is nothing to foresee or integrate, As UN Resolution 1244 explains:

1) Reaffirm the sovereignty and territorial integrity of the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia (i.e., Kosovo remains part of the FRY, to which Serbia is now the recognized successor state [1]) and the other States of the region, as set out in the Helsinki Final Act and annex 2 of UNSCR 1244.

2) Significance
Reference to the Article 1 of the Helsinki Accord places high value on the Sovereignty of Federal Republic of Yugoslavia with Kosovo recognized as an autonomous province. In a similar fashion the references to autonomy in 1244 articles points to a final goal of essentially returning Kosovo to the pre-1999 status of autonomous province within the Serbian legal framework. In this, the resolution is a partial success.
Serbia has recognized the region as an Autonomous Province within the modifications to the Serbian constitution in 2006, fundamentally in line with the security council resolution.
Self explanatory, don’t you think so?

Kosovo is Serbia.
Happy Easter…

Why didn't the journalist ask whether Fuele defines Kosovo as a "neighbor" or Serbia?

No EA, I actually do not get your point. I your attempt to sound clever, you make no sense. Anyway, how many times do you have to hear that EU membership and the Albanians illegal UDI are two different issues? I know that people like you would give your lives to hear a recognition from Serbia, but it won't happen, not in your lifetime. Belgrade will find a way to satisfy both issues, without any absurd recognition of illegal separatist Albanian land grabs.

When they get sound they notice that further disintergration is unfortunately or fortunately ienvitable, for the sake of peace and prosperity...is Serbia cares...
(PRN)
-
You are right!!. For the sake of peace and prosperity it is Serbia, and yes until you recognize Serbia as your nation you will not experience this. ( you are finally getting it).. good day

Why didn't the journalist ask whether Fuele defines Kosovo as a "neighbor" or Serbia?
(Wim Roffel, 2 April 2010 12:36)

A very good point Wim.

By defining Kosovo as a neighbor, Fuele (and others) is overstepping his mandate/demands as Commissioner, especially as Kosovo has not been universally recognized by all EU states. He has to remain status neutral or make no comment.

This is a point that Belgrade should make every time it comes up from Brussels and the albanian fanclub: You cannot speak on behalf of all the EU on the question of 'good neighborly relations' if some have not recognized Kosovo, especially on such a non-technical issue as 'good neighborly relations' which is neither legally defined and clearly open to abuse, unlike the implementation of the acquis communautaire.