12 dead in explosions in N. Caucasus

Terrorist acts of this kind have only one purpose which is to force the Russians to negotiate so as to give the terrorists progressive concessions and eventually leadto"peacefull"capitulationby the Russians.

This will then allow the Islamic terrorists to subjugate and cleanse the non-believers and thus preparing the ground for the new caliphate.

I've always been of the opinion that Islam and Western societies cannot live together-never have never will.Other world religions will attest to this.This is why Islamism must be completely purged from Western societies.

I think Russia has to take measures against not only the terrorists but also against countries which harbour and train them.There are more Chechnyans in Turkey
than Chechnya itself.The cancer of terrorism must be completely eradicated.

This time the victims were peoples of the North Caucasus. May they also rest in peace and condolences to their families.

I know now that some people here will claim it is all Russia's fault and they brought it upon themselves, but if these terrorists are killing both Russians AND their own kin, then who else can be to blame than those hate-crazed muslim extremists who don't care who they kill as long as they kill in the name of Allah? Why is there so much extremism and hate among muslims that creates so many terrorists, if I may ask?

The peoples of the Caucasus need to unite with Russia for a common cause, the goal of the destruction of radical islam, the apprehension or liquidation of the entire Caucasian Emirate elite and leadership and the seizing of all weapons to completely neuter them and prevent them from harming anymore civilians in the name of their sick and twisted ideology.

May the victims RIP.

Joe,

Like any coward, your heartless comments are like a politician kissing a baby for a photo op. You obviously don't care if those people who were actually murdered had anything to do with the policy makings of a state, in this case Russia.

I wonder what your comments would be if someone idiot bombed Budapest and killed scores of Hungarians? Would you blame those victims as well? Do you go around blaming a rape victim because of the color of her dress invited such a crime? No one would bomb Budapest, obviously, since no one bombs the pawn, why would they? You don't make policy, you follow the marching instructions from Washington and Berlin.

Leonidas,
what you suggest above is the best way to perpetuate the islamic terrorism and possibly to trigger a world war (if I'm not mistaken, you suggest Russia moving on Turkey to readicate Chechen terrorism, isn't it?)
Apart of your apalling, typically neocon language, recalling such personages as Cheney or Rumsfeld, let me slightly change the above:
Fanatism (any kind of it) and Western societies cannot live together (it has been proved many times - and let’s reflect about Russia being a Western society, or sth. else?). Fanatism must be completely purged from Western societies.

The cancer of terrorism must be compeltely eradicated! Sure! And the best way to remove terrorism is to remove its causes. Strange enough, after having been (rightfully) critical towards the USA for trying to eradicate terrorism in a wrong way, you suggest the same to Russia. Or maybe because of Turkey (NATO member, along with Greece?)
(genc, 31 March 2010 17:39

There are different kinds of wars.I am certainly aware that Turkey is a NATO member and i don't advocate for a minute military action against Turkey.

What i am advocating is a series of economic actions which will make the Turks think twice before facilitating terrorist actions emanating from their soil.Remember that Turkey exports goods to Russia in the region of $45 billion annually.

You seem to suggest that both US and Russia are fighting the same kind of wars.US invasions of Iraq and
Afganistan have nothing to do with fighting terrorism.
Its all about exercise of power and energy routes.

On the other hand, Russia hasn't invaded anybody and
is fighting terrorism to keep its country intact.Do not confuse the two.

Peter Sudyka
Leonidas
Mike,
Michael

May God bless all of you !

"Why is there so much extremism and hate among muslims that creates so many terrorists, if I may ask?" (Peter Sudyka)

-- Peter, for what it's worth, I really don't think Islam is the causal variable in this. I also don't think religion in general is the causal variable. It does however serve as a catalyst by providing some cathartic explanation for pre-existing intentions of causing violence.

Take the US for instance. We've got tons of right-wing Christian nutballs out there ready to do all sorts of crazy stuff in the name of Jesus. This so-called militia group in Michigan that was thankfully arrested yesterday is only the latest example. Usually we get delusional individuals gunning down abortion doctors or targeting Federal buildings who mask their intentions with the salving excuse of the Bible.

The same thing I feel drives these people in the Caucasus. I can daresay the average Chechen terrorist has read his Q'uran from front to back. More likely, some get inspired by the distorted teachings of one or two passages that can be interpreted to kill in the name of the Divine and be promised rich rewards in the afterlife.

Religion is unfortunately a way of thinking that individuals can use to commit both the greatest good towards one's neighbor as well as the greatest evil. But in terms of the greatest evil, it's almost always appropriated as a legitimizing factor for mobiization.

No, God didn't make you do it. You're just an idiot.

"We believe that these attacks were aimed against Russia,"
Putin

It looks like finally he got it. What a smart man.

I wonder what your comments would be if someone idiot bombed Budapest and killed scores of Hungarians? Would you blame those victims as well? Do you go around blaming a rape victim because of the color of her dress invited such a crime? No one would bomb Budapest, obviously, since no one bombs the pawn, why would they? You don't make policy, you follow the marching instructions from Washington and Berlin.
(michael, 31 March 2010 19:09)

He is only hungarian when it is convinient for him anyway hungarians are primitive,lazy,uneducated antisemits in this "honorable guy's comments.When I disagree with his view about US politics this is the kind of answer I get:

. Anyway you represent well the majority of Hungarians, who see everything through their blind antisemitism and faults the Jews of New York for all their own problems and for the problems of the world. To see it it is enough to visit the Hungarian web sites for individual comments.
Sure to be loyal to Hungarian tradition you always try to deny this antisemitism. One of your arguments is that "we are not antisemits because we have the biggest synagogue in Europe". Well it was not built in the last 70 years.
Anyway as per your information I know now that the Jews of New York are also involved with Kosovo. It looks like people of Budapest are the best informed.
(Joe, 24 January 2010 05:36)

But when someone else opposes his views he suddenly mykes a 180 degree turn:


As for writing under "Gurul a Turul" (= Ataman) what happened? As a half-Jew and half-Russian and constantly virulently anti-Hungarian why do you hide under an other name?
(Joe, 12 March 2010 19:16)

Strange behaviour indeed.
And you are lucky not to have seen this guy posting on hungarian forums.

The best dobos torta I have ever eaten was in New Brunswick,NJ .Shuold take him aroun 1-1.5 to get there by car from southern New York state.Allegadly hungarian pastry near Columbia University is not bad:Donno have not been there.But if problem was only for dobos torta.It is more complex.Additionally the little apples in BIg Apple area are said to be sour.
(szemi, 1 April 2010 07:53)

Funny you mention New Brunswick... my ex father-in-law runs the Hungarian club there and makes a wonderful dobos torta. I wish I could find some decent fare here in Pristina but so far no luck.

Mike

The only reason I ask is because while indeed you have crazy religious freaks within Christianity also, I have yet to hear of anything on the scale of Moscow, New York and other such attacks in recent years.

Joe

Did you support the US's stance on the invasion of Afghanistan in 2001?

Do you justify the existence of US troops in muslim lands circa 80's and 90's?

I believe that you, sir, need to evaluate what brought about the September 11 attacks on New York before rubbing your hands at what happened in Moscow.

Or is Osama Bin Laden a madman while Dokka Umarov is justified in his actions?

Joe,

Like any coward, your heartless comments are like a politician kissing a baby for a photo op. You obviously don't care if those people who were actually murdered had anything to do with the policy makings of a state, in this case Russia.

I wonder what your comments would be if someone idiot bombed Budapest and killed scores of Hungarians? Would you blame those victims as well? Do you go around blaming a rape victim because of the color of her dress invited such a crime? No one would bomb Budapest, obviously, since no one bombs the pawn, why would they? You don't make policy, you follow the marching instructions from Washington and Berlin.
(michael, 31 March 2010 19:09)

Good job Michael,one of the best comments I ever read in B92. I think Joe is a bitter person because in New York they make horrible dobostorta. Maybe he should try the dobostorta from the Hungarian community here in Brazil and who knows, he won't make sour comments here anymore. The Hungarian community here is about 900,000,very nice people,they make the best food next to the Romanian.

The personal attacks and jibes that some of our posters have unfortunately been exchanging are highly irrelevant to the article, and increasingly offensive.

We will from now on delete, rather than edit such comments.

Please keep your debate respectful and relevant.

Regards,


B92

Peter,

You can not equate the two. Russians and their friends try to do that but that would be much too simplistic.

- Before 9/11 the US did not bomb part of its own territory, let say the state of Vermont.
- Did not flatten any town in Vermont like Russia did in Grozny.
- Did not kill about 100,000 of its own citizens like Russia did in Chechnya.

Russia with China is still viewed by many as a colonial empire. While England, France, Spain, Portugal, Holland, Belgien had their colonies at some distance Russia's colonies - conquests of 300 years - are geographically attached with the core slavic "Rus" or "mother country". I lot of conquered people like the Chechens were never "confortable" with the idea of being a Russian colony. They tried to regain their independence again and again. So as you see it is not a Vermont type situation.
The people of Vermont are very happy to be US citizens. Also no US government hurt them militarly in any way.
As you see the difference between the treatment of its own people by a democratic country versus a non democratic is like day and night.

My sincere condolences once again to the victims of this savage attack. Terrorism does little more than function as the spark to greater violence, often with the side the terrorists claim to speak on behalf of receiving the greatest casualties.

szemi,

Thank you for posting my earlier comments.
Is there anything, any part of it not corresponding to the truth? Does it hurt hearing the truth?
Remember that even if in someone's family a family member is a bum or alcoholic other responsible members don't hide it, don't deny it.
Speaking out means you care about those persons.
Yes, it is the sad truth that in Hungary - where during my childhood people worked so hard - a lot of people got damn lazy, expect handouts from the state. I was totally shocked recently when I heard from somebody "dolgozanak a rabszolgak" (let the slaves work). What a nice work attitude!?
I know you don't like me to highlight this work attitude problem because as you bregged about once you don't work either because the tax bite from the salary is just too much.!!!
As for antisemitic comments on Hungarian Web sites it became truly unbelivable. The Jews are absolutaly responsible for everything. I would be a coward if I would not speak out against it. On the other side I also speak out against rare exceptions like your dear Jewish fiend, who despite enjoying the hospitality of Hungary would like ...to quote him "see Greater Croatia or Serbia start at the 0 km stone in Budapest". There is no contradiction at all in my comments. I am not shy to speak out when that has to be the case.

Leonodas wrote: "Islamism must be completely purged from Western societies".
What are you ready to do in order to achieve that what you said, heh?

“I've always been of the opinion that Islam and Western societies cannot live together-never have never will.Other world religions will attest to this.This is why Islamism must be completely purged from Western societies".

I think Russia has to take measures against not only the terrorists but also against countries which harbour and train them.There are more Chechnyans in Turkey
than Chechnya itself.The cancer of terrorism must be completely eradicated.”


Leonidas,
what you suggest above is the best way to perpetuate the islamic terrorism and possibly to trigger a world war (if I'm not mistaken, you suggest Russia moving on Turkey to readicate Chechen terrorism, isn't it?)
Apart of your apalling, typically neocon language, recalling such personages as Cheney or Rumsfeld, let me slightly change the above:
Fanatism (any kind of it) and Western societies cannot live together (it has been proved many times - and let’s reflect about Russia being a Western society, or sth. else?). Fanatism must be completely purged from Western societies.

The cancer of terrorism must be compeltely eradicated! Sure! And the best way to remove terrorism is to remove its causes. Strange enough, after having been (rightfully) critical towards the USA for trying to eradicate terrorism in a wrong way, you suggest the same to Russia. Or maybe because of Turkey (NATO member, along with Greece?)

"We believe that these attacks were aimed against Russia," the Interfax news agency quoted him as saying. Putin noted that an attack on Moscow or an attack in Dagestan are both equally an attack upon Russia."

This is a politically very correct statement. We should not forget, that the victims today weren't ethnic Russians - they were ethnic Dagestanis and just ordinary traffic cops, not some FSB / KGB "fat cats with sticky paws".

Who feel being addressed: at least please show some (limited degree of) decency. May the victims rest in peace.

Good job Michael,one of the best comments I ever read in B92. I think Joe is a bitter person because in New York they make horrible dobostorta. Maybe he should try the dobostorta from the Hungarian community here in Brazil and who knows, he won't make sour comments here anymore. The Hungarian community here is about 900,000,very nice people,they make the best food next to the Romanian.
(Brazilskifarmer, 1 April 2010 00:03)

The best dobos torta I have ever eaten was in New Brunswick,NJ .Shuold take him aroun 1-1.5 to get there by car from southern New York state.Allegadly hungarian pastry near Columbia University is not bad:Donno have not been there.But if problem was only for dobos torta.It is more complex.Additionally the little apples in BIg Apple area are said to be sour.

"You don't make policy"
michael

You are right. As an American citizen - like 307,5 million other Americans - I don't make policy. In our democracy we elect our representatives. We delegate the policy making to them.

"you follow the marching instructions from Washington and Berlin".
michael

I live in New York State. We are not a militarized country.
We don't get marching orders. Same thing goes for the other 49 states. Life is peaceful. We work and take care of our own business.
As for orders from Berlin on which planet do you live? Did Germany win WWII? Since when do we call the New England States on the East Coast "Neues Deutschland Staten"?

"Neue Deutsche Staaten", x'cuse me.
ataman

I hope B92 allows me a simple correction without any comment (I don't see yet my first correction about it).
1. Grammatically "Neue Deutsche Staaten" s/b "Neue Deutschen Staaten".
2. But the point is "New England" refers to a REGION of 6 states in the US. The meaning is not "New English States" as the author tried to give in the German version.

Piotr,

Excellent post .Good to know about people who are totally imune to media brainwashing and for whom general human values are more important than forced overparroted historic and political grievences.This kind of balanced non-spoilt voice is very rare nowdayds when "moral values" have been twisted so much.Reading your posts makes me belive that Jesze Polska nie zginela póki tacy zyja(Poland is not dead so long as such people exist.)
You are a person who instead of stupid movies was brought up reading edifing books.
Based on your comments I am sure in your childhood you read or heard Bajki o chorym józku the well known collection of anecdotes of polish highlanders.
And remember it is very difficult to lead the hedgehog lost in the big city back to his forest but not an impossible mission.You are doing it in an excellent way.
Good luck.

"Neues Deutschland Staten"?
(Joe, 31 March 2010 22:26)

"Neue Deutsche Staaten", x'cuse me.

Sorry, my German grammar is lousy, but that really did hurt my ear. :-(

Otherwise "FNL" = "Fünf Neue Länder" = DDR already does exist.

I wish I could find some decent fare here in Pristina but so far no luck.
(Jason, 1 April 2010 11:16)

Wonder, why is that. I bought one Albanian in Вучитрн/Vushtrri in Emona market. It is more to my taste than Hungarian cakes in my area. We have some few good "cukrászda" here - but our favorites are not the Hungarian cakes. To sweet, to greasy.

"I've always been of the opinion that Islam and Western societies cannot live together-never have never will.Other world religions will attest to this.This is why Islamism must be completely purged from Western societies."
(Leonodas, 31 March 2010 14:49)

Yeah yeah yeah. Always these big words on the "what" must or not must be done and never explaining the "how"... How do you propose the West does that? Can you also define what do you mean by Islamism? Does it include one fifth of the world who call themselves Muslim or just the one twentieth of the population of the West who originate from the so-called Muslim countries? You want to purge them from Europe? The almighty, God's present to humanity, Greece will lead the way I bet. While you're there can you also purge us from the pedophile Catholic and Orthodox priests please? Or would you like to keep them?

Seriously though, the West is where it is today, because it has a different set of values and practices, that do not involve purging. A few rats that bomb innocents will not change this.

"I think Russia has to take measures against not only the terrorists but also against countries which harbour and train them.There are more Chechnyans in Turkey
than Chechnya itself.The cancer of terrorism must be completely eradicated."
(Leonodas, 31 March 2010 14:49)

Totally agree with the first and last sentence there, but not with the view Chechnyan=terrorist that you present.

Bajki o chorym józku
(szemi, 1 April 2010 18:02)

Yeah, Polish language is very archaic Slavonic language. It would sound somewhat like "Байки о хвором ёжике" - a little bit archaic, but perfectly understandable.

Wonder, why is that. I bought one Albanian in Вучитрн/Vushtrri in Emona market. It is more to my taste than Hungarian cakes in my area. We have some few good "cukrászda" here - but our favorites are not the Hungarian cakes. To sweet, to greasy.
(Ataman, 1 April 2010 22:00)

Down with virsli Dobos rules BTW Do hedgehogs like russian cream cake?

The people of Vermont are very happy to be US citizens. Also no US government hurt them militarly in any way.
As you see the difference between the treatment of its own people by a democratic country versus a non democratic is like day and night.
(Joe, 1 April 2010 17:54)

Since your on the Vermont hypothetical, lets add a bit more realism. Replace the word Vermont with New Mexico, now lets say a revolution takes place with a home grown Hispanic militia attacking, killing non hispanic citizens and US military gaining attention for their cause. The Hispanic army it is found to be supplied by the Mexican govt enticing many volunteers to cross borders from nearby hispanic countries and join the armed struggle for independance.
The command center for the Hispanic army is in newly occupied Santa Fe where plots to bomb strategic areas in the US to slow down it's retaliation are planned. The first attack is on maddison square gardens where armed insurgents armed with Ak's and suicide vests take 10,000 hostages during a cultural event. Later the New York city subway system is bombed. The population in the city is now totally behind the revolution and raises the New Mexican Flag.

Now am I to beleive the US aint gonna be pissed and is not going to bomb any part of the Santa Fe or New Mexico because it is it's own territory. Is it not going to level buildings used as snipers nests picking off young marines or where suicide attacks are being planned from.

JOE grow up and if your through with hypothetical thoughts ask yourself what happend on a smaller scale in Waco, Koresh was different too, had his own sect and wanted to live his own way which was unnaceptable to the US, was that not part of US territory and that was just a house what if it was a state would it be different as you say.

"We believe that these attacks were aimed against Russia,"
Putin

It looks like finally he got it. What a smart man.

"You don't make policy"
michael

You are right. As an American citizen - like 307,5 million other Americans - I don't make policy. In our democracy we elect our representatives. We delegate the policy making to them.

"you follow the marching instructions from Washington and Berlin".
michael

I live in New York State. We are not a militarized country.
We don't get marching orders. Same thing goes for the other 49 states. Life is peaceful. We work and take care of our own business.
As for orders from Berlin on which planet do you live? Did Germany win WWII? Since when do we call the New England States on the East Coast "Neues Deutschland Staten"?

Peter,

You can not equate the two. Russians and their friends try to do that but that would be much too simplistic.

- Before 9/11 the US did not bomb part of its own territory, let say the state of Vermont.
- Did not flatten any town in Vermont like Russia did in Grozny.
- Did not kill about 100,000 of its own citizens like Russia did in Chechnya.

Russia with China is still viewed by many as a colonial empire. While England, France, Spain, Portugal, Holland, Belgien had their colonies at some distance Russia's colonies - conquests of 300 years - are geographically attached with the core slavic "Rus" or "mother country". I lot of conquered people like the Chechens were never "confortable" with the idea of being a Russian colony. They tried to regain their independence again and again. So as you see it is not a Vermont type situation.
The people of Vermont are very happy to be US citizens. Also no US government hurt them militarly in any way.
As you see the difference between the treatment of its own people by a democratic country versus a non democratic is like day and night.

My sincere condolences once again to the victims of this savage attack. Terrorism does little more than function as the spark to greater violence, often with the side the terrorists claim to speak on behalf of receiving the greatest casualties.

Peter Sudyka
Leonidas
Mike,
Michael

May God bless all of you !

szemi,

Thank you for posting my earlier comments.
Is there anything, any part of it not corresponding to the truth? Does it hurt hearing the truth?
Remember that even if in someone's family a family member is a bum or alcoholic other responsible members don't hide it, don't deny it.
Speaking out means you care about those persons.
Yes, it is the sad truth that in Hungary - where during my childhood people worked so hard - a lot of people got damn lazy, expect handouts from the state. I was totally shocked recently when I heard from somebody "dolgozanak a rabszolgak" (let the slaves work). What a nice work attitude!?
I know you don't like me to highlight this work attitude problem because as you bregged about once you don't work either because the tax bite from the salary is just too much.!!!
As for antisemitic comments on Hungarian Web sites it became truly unbelivable. The Jews are absolutaly responsible for everything. I would be a coward if I would not speak out against it. On the other side I also speak out against rare exceptions like your dear Jewish fiend, who despite enjoying the hospitality of Hungary would like ...to quote him "see Greater Croatia or Serbia start at the 0 km stone in Budapest". There is no contradiction at all in my comments. I am not shy to speak out when that has to be the case.

Terrorist acts of this kind have only one purpose which is to force the Russians to negotiate so as to give the terrorists progressive concessions and eventually leadto"peacefull"capitulationby the Russians.

This will then allow the Islamic terrorists to subjugate and cleanse the non-believers and thus preparing the ground for the new caliphate.

I've always been of the opinion that Islam and Western societies cannot live together-never have never will.Other world religions will attest to this.This is why Islamism must be completely purged from Western societies.

I think Russia has to take measures against not only the terrorists but also against countries which harbour and train them.There are more Chechnyans in Turkey
than Chechnya itself.The cancer of terrorism must be completely eradicated.

This time the victims were peoples of the North Caucasus. May they also rest in peace and condolences to their families.

I know now that some people here will claim it is all Russia's fault and they brought it upon themselves, but if these terrorists are killing both Russians AND their own kin, then who else can be to blame than those hate-crazed muslim extremists who don't care who they kill as long as they kill in the name of Allah? Why is there so much extremism and hate among muslims that creates so many terrorists, if I may ask?

The peoples of the Caucasus need to unite with Russia for a common cause, the goal of the destruction of radical islam, the apprehension or liquidation of the entire Caucasian Emirate elite and leadership and the seizing of all weapons to completely neuter them and prevent them from harming anymore civilians in the name of their sick and twisted ideology.

May the victims RIP.

Leonidas,
what you suggest above is the best way to perpetuate the islamic terrorism and possibly to trigger a world war (if I'm not mistaken, you suggest Russia moving on Turkey to readicate Chechen terrorism, isn't it?)
Apart of your apalling, typically neocon language, recalling such personages as Cheney or Rumsfeld, let me slightly change the above:
Fanatism (any kind of it) and Western societies cannot live together (it has been proved many times - and let’s reflect about Russia being a Western society, or sth. else?). Fanatism must be completely purged from Western societies.

The cancer of terrorism must be compeltely eradicated! Sure! And the best way to remove terrorism is to remove its causes. Strange enough, after having been (rightfully) critical towards the USA for trying to eradicate terrorism in a wrong way, you suggest the same to Russia. Or maybe because of Turkey (NATO member, along with Greece?)
(genc, 31 March 2010 17:39

There are different kinds of wars.I am certainly aware that Turkey is a NATO member and i don't advocate for a minute military action against Turkey.

What i am advocating is a series of economic actions which will make the Turks think twice before facilitating terrorist actions emanating from their soil.Remember that Turkey exports goods to Russia in the region of $45 billion annually.

You seem to suggest that both US and Russia are fighting the same kind of wars.US invasions of Iraq and
Afganistan have nothing to do with fighting terrorism.
Its all about exercise of power and energy routes.

On the other hand, Russia hasn't invaded anybody and
is fighting terrorism to keep its country intact.Do not confuse the two.

"We believe that these attacks were aimed against Russia," the Interfax news agency quoted him as saying. Putin noted that an attack on Moscow or an attack in Dagestan are both equally an attack upon Russia."

This is a politically very correct statement. We should not forget, that the victims today weren't ethnic Russians - they were ethnic Dagestanis and just ordinary traffic cops, not some FSB / KGB "fat cats with sticky paws".

Who feel being addressed: at least please show some (limited degree of) decency. May the victims rest in peace.

"Neues Deutschland Staten"?
(Joe, 31 March 2010 22:26)

"Neue Deutsche Staaten", x'cuse me.

Sorry, my German grammar is lousy, but that really did hurt my ear. :-(

Otherwise "FNL" = "Fünf Neue Länder" = DDR already does exist.

Joe,

Like any coward, your heartless comments are like a politician kissing a baby for a photo op. You obviously don't care if those people who were actually murdered had anything to do with the policy makings of a state, in this case Russia.

I wonder what your comments would be if someone idiot bombed Budapest and killed scores of Hungarians? Would you blame those victims as well? Do you go around blaming a rape victim because of the color of her dress invited such a crime? No one would bomb Budapest, obviously, since no one bombs the pawn, why would they? You don't make policy, you follow the marching instructions from Washington and Berlin.

“I've always been of the opinion that Islam and Western societies cannot live together-never have never will.Other world religions will attest to this.This is why Islamism must be completely purged from Western societies".

I think Russia has to take measures against not only the terrorists but also against countries which harbour and train them.There are more Chechnyans in Turkey
than Chechnya itself.The cancer of terrorism must be completely eradicated.”


Leonidas,
what you suggest above is the best way to perpetuate the islamic terrorism and possibly to trigger a world war (if I'm not mistaken, you suggest Russia moving on Turkey to readicate Chechen terrorism, isn't it?)
Apart of your apalling, typically neocon language, recalling such personages as Cheney or Rumsfeld, let me slightly change the above:
Fanatism (any kind of it) and Western societies cannot live together (it has been proved many times - and let’s reflect about Russia being a Western society, or sth. else?). Fanatism must be completely purged from Western societies.

The cancer of terrorism must be compeltely eradicated! Sure! And the best way to remove terrorism is to remove its causes. Strange enough, after having been (rightfully) critical towards the USA for trying to eradicate terrorism in a wrong way, you suggest the same to Russia. Or maybe because of Turkey (NATO member, along with Greece?)

Good job Michael,one of the best comments I ever read in B92. I think Joe is a bitter person because in New York they make horrible dobostorta. Maybe he should try the dobostorta from the Hungarian community here in Brazil and who knows, he won't make sour comments here anymore. The Hungarian community here is about 900,000,very nice people,they make the best food next to the Romanian.
(Brazilskifarmer, 1 April 2010 00:03)

The best dobos torta I have ever eaten was in New Brunswick,NJ .Shuold take him aroun 1-1.5 to get there by car from southern New York state.Allegadly hungarian pastry near Columbia University is not bad:Donno have not been there.But if problem was only for dobos torta.It is more complex.Additionally the little apples in BIg Apple area are said to be sour.

"Why is there so much extremism and hate among muslims that creates so many terrorists, if I may ask?" (Peter Sudyka)

-- Peter, for what it's worth, I really don't think Islam is the causal variable in this. I also don't think religion in general is the causal variable. It does however serve as a catalyst by providing some cathartic explanation for pre-existing intentions of causing violence.

Take the US for instance. We've got tons of right-wing Christian nutballs out there ready to do all sorts of crazy stuff in the name of Jesus. This so-called militia group in Michigan that was thankfully arrested yesterday is only the latest example. Usually we get delusional individuals gunning down abortion doctors or targeting Federal buildings who mask their intentions with the salving excuse of the Bible.

The same thing I feel drives these people in the Caucasus. I can daresay the average Chechen terrorist has read his Q'uran from front to back. More likely, some get inspired by the distorted teachings of one or two passages that can be interpreted to kill in the name of the Divine and be promised rich rewards in the afterlife.

Religion is unfortunately a way of thinking that individuals can use to commit both the greatest good towards one's neighbor as well as the greatest evil. But in terms of the greatest evil, it's almost always appropriated as a legitimizing factor for mobiization.

No, God didn't make you do it. You're just an idiot.

Joe,

Like any coward, your heartless comments are like a politician kissing a baby for a photo op. You obviously don't care if those people who were actually murdered had anything to do with the policy makings of a state, in this case Russia.

I wonder what your comments would be if someone idiot bombed Budapest and killed scores of Hungarians? Would you blame those victims as well? Do you go around blaming a rape victim because of the color of her dress invited such a crime? No one would bomb Budapest, obviously, since no one bombs the pawn, why would they? You don't make policy, you follow the marching instructions from Washington and Berlin.
(michael, 31 March 2010 19:09)

Good job Michael,one of the best comments I ever read in B92. I think Joe is a bitter person because in New York they make horrible dobostorta. Maybe he should try the dobostorta from the Hungarian community here in Brazil and who knows, he won't make sour comments here anymore. The Hungarian community here is about 900,000,very nice people,they make the best food next to the Romanian.

The best dobos torta I have ever eaten was in New Brunswick,NJ .Shuold take him aroun 1-1.5 to get there by car from southern New York state.Allegadly hungarian pastry near Columbia University is not bad:Donno have not been there.But if problem was only for dobos torta.It is more complex.Additionally the little apples in BIg Apple area are said to be sour.
(szemi, 1 April 2010 07:53)

Funny you mention New Brunswick... my ex father-in-law runs the Hungarian club there and makes a wonderful dobos torta. I wish I could find some decent fare here in Pristina but so far no luck.

"Neue Deutsche Staaten", x'cuse me.
ataman

I hope B92 allows me a simple correction without any comment (I don't see yet my first correction about it).
1. Grammatically "Neue Deutsche Staaten" s/b "Neue Deutschen Staaten".
2. But the point is "New England" refers to a REGION of 6 states in the US. The meaning is not "New English States" as the author tried to give in the German version.

Mike

The only reason I ask is because while indeed you have crazy religious freaks within Christianity also, I have yet to hear of anything on the scale of Moscow, New York and other such attacks in recent years.

Joe

Did you support the US's stance on the invasion of Afghanistan in 2001?

Do you justify the existence of US troops in muslim lands circa 80's and 90's?

I believe that you, sir, need to evaluate what brought about the September 11 attacks on New York before rubbing your hands at what happened in Moscow.

Or is Osama Bin Laden a madman while Dokka Umarov is justified in his actions?

"I've always been of the opinion that Islam and Western societies cannot live together-never have never will.Other world religions will attest to this.This is why Islamism must be completely purged from Western societies."
(Leonodas, 31 March 2010 14:49)

Yeah yeah yeah. Always these big words on the "what" must or not must be done and never explaining the "how"... How do you propose the West does that? Can you also define what do you mean by Islamism? Does it include one fifth of the world who call themselves Muslim or just the one twentieth of the population of the West who originate from the so-called Muslim countries? You want to purge them from Europe? The almighty, God's present to humanity, Greece will lead the way I bet. While you're there can you also purge us from the pedophile Catholic and Orthodox priests please? Or would you like to keep them?

Seriously though, the West is where it is today, because it has a different set of values and practices, that do not involve purging. A few rats that bomb innocents will not change this.

"I think Russia has to take measures against not only the terrorists but also against countries which harbour and train them.There are more Chechnyans in Turkey
than Chechnya itself.The cancer of terrorism must be completely eradicated."
(Leonodas, 31 March 2010 14:49)

Totally agree with the first and last sentence there, but not with the view Chechnyan=terrorist that you present.

I wonder what your comments would be if someone idiot bombed Budapest and killed scores of Hungarians? Would you blame those victims as well? Do you go around blaming a rape victim because of the color of her dress invited such a crime? No one would bomb Budapest, obviously, since no one bombs the pawn, why would they? You don't make policy, you follow the marching instructions from Washington and Berlin.
(michael, 31 March 2010 19:09)

He is only hungarian when it is convinient for him anyway hungarians are primitive,lazy,uneducated antisemits in this "honorable guy's comments.When I disagree with his view about US politics this is the kind of answer I get:

. Anyway you represent well the majority of Hungarians, who see everything through their blind antisemitism and faults the Jews of New York for all their own problems and for the problems of the world. To see it it is enough to visit the Hungarian web sites for individual comments.
Sure to be loyal to Hungarian tradition you always try to deny this antisemitism. One of your arguments is that "we are not antisemits because we have the biggest synagogue in Europe". Well it was not built in the last 70 years.
Anyway as per your information I know now that the Jews of New York are also involved with Kosovo. It looks like people of Budapest are the best informed.
(Joe, 24 January 2010 05:36)

But when someone else opposes his views he suddenly mykes a 180 degree turn:


As for writing under "Gurul a Turul" (= Ataman) what happened? As a half-Jew and half-Russian and constantly virulently anti-Hungarian why do you hide under an other name?
(Joe, 12 March 2010 19:16)

Strange behaviour indeed.
And you are lucky not to have seen this guy posting on hungarian forums.

Piotr,

Excellent post .Good to know about people who are totally imune to media brainwashing and for whom general human values are more important than forced overparroted historic and political grievences.This kind of balanced non-spoilt voice is very rare nowdayds when "moral values" have been twisted so much.Reading your posts makes me belive that Jesze Polska nie zginela póki tacy zyja(Poland is not dead so long as such people exist.)
You are a person who instead of stupid movies was brought up reading edifing books.
Based on your comments I am sure in your childhood you read or heard Bajki o chorym józku the well known collection of anecdotes of polish highlanders.
And remember it is very difficult to lead the hedgehog lost in the big city back to his forest but not an impossible mission.You are doing it in an excellent way.
Good luck.

Leonodas wrote: "Islamism must be completely purged from Western societies".
What are you ready to do in order to achieve that what you said, heh?

The personal attacks and jibes that some of our posters have unfortunately been exchanging are highly irrelevant to the article, and increasingly offensive.

We will from now on delete, rather than edit such comments.

Please keep your debate respectful and relevant.

Regards,


B92

I wish I could find some decent fare here in Pristina but so far no luck.
(Jason, 1 April 2010 11:16)

Wonder, why is that. I bought one Albanian in Вучитрн/Vushtrri in Emona market. It is more to my taste than Hungarian cakes in my area. We have some few good "cukrászda" here - but our favorites are not the Hungarian cakes. To sweet, to greasy.

Bajki o chorym józku
(szemi, 1 April 2010 18:02)

Yeah, Polish language is very archaic Slavonic language. It would sound somewhat like "Байки о хвором ёжике" - a little bit archaic, but perfectly understandable.

Wonder, why is that. I bought one Albanian in Вучитрн/Vushtrri in Emona market. It is more to my taste than Hungarian cakes in my area. We have some few good "cukrászda" here - but our favorites are not the Hungarian cakes. To sweet, to greasy.
(Ataman, 1 April 2010 22:00)

Down with virsli Dobos rules BTW Do hedgehogs like russian cream cake?

The people of Vermont are very happy to be US citizens. Also no US government hurt them militarly in any way.
As you see the difference between the treatment of its own people by a democratic country versus a non democratic is like day and night.
(Joe, 1 April 2010 17:54)

Since your on the Vermont hypothetical, lets add a bit more realism. Replace the word Vermont with New Mexico, now lets say a revolution takes place with a home grown Hispanic militia attacking, killing non hispanic citizens and US military gaining attention for their cause. The Hispanic army it is found to be supplied by the Mexican govt enticing many volunteers to cross borders from nearby hispanic countries and join the armed struggle for independance.
The command center for the Hispanic army is in newly occupied Santa Fe where plots to bomb strategic areas in the US to slow down it's retaliation are planned. The first attack is on maddison square gardens where armed insurgents armed with Ak's and suicide vests take 10,000 hostages during a cultural event. Later the New York city subway system is bombed. The population in the city is now totally behind the revolution and raises the New Mexican Flag.

Now am I to beleive the US aint gonna be pissed and is not going to bomb any part of the Santa Fe or New Mexico because it is it's own territory. Is it not going to level buildings used as snipers nests picking off young marines or where suicide attacks are being planned from.

JOE grow up and if your through with hypothetical thoughts ask yourself what happend on a smaller scale in Waco, Koresh was different too, had his own sect and wanted to live his own way which was unnaceptable to the US, was that not part of US territory and that was just a house what if it was a state would it be different as you say.