Putin: Terrorists will be eliminated

Very horrible, but sadly B92 is incorrect: bombing the "Nevski" express train was only few month ago and an other one almost identical happened in 2007. No one was killed in 2007, but the attack of 2009 claimed 27 lives.

The main bomber of 2007 got 10 years, the second bomber got 4 years. No one was killed in 2007, so the terrorist chargers were dropped... they are guilty of "supplying explosives". Both are from troubled Caucasus area.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udVeNZfdR8U

Many thanks to B92 reporting this horrible news as "TERRORIST" attack.

Thumbs down for CNN:

http://tinyurl.com/ybyp3s2

They use words like "militants", "fighters", "separatists". How nice. BTW, the common Russian word for 9/11 is "Теракт" ( = террористический акт).

Maybe from today on the language about 9/11/2001 should be changed to a neutral "милитаристический акт". Or CNN should apologize (never will happen).

This is a good example of "unbiased" reporting. And me, naive, before early 90-s did think, there is no such thing as "dirty Western propaganda"!!!

THIS is precisely how "West" did lost Russia and to a large degree Serbia. This is the "gift" we get from these oh-so-humanitarian-bombing politicians every day. Wonder, why Serbs explode with anti-Western emotions? How Americans would feel about someone saying:

"This 9/11 was a militant act", part of the "struggle which can be traced back to the British colonial era"

(just copy-pasting from CNN web site, nothing more).

How cute.

Than why complain about loss of democracy in Russia? Just recently, Gorbachyov did note that the democracy now is in more dire shape than it was during the last days of Soviet Union. He is unfortunately correct. The 100% blame is on the DIRTY, UGLY WESTERN PROPAGANDA.

Sorry to be more emotional than usual - but it the evil just introduced himself on the pages of CNN.
Looking at the comments of most "Western" readers it seems, this time CNN went over the border of good taste.

BTW: as with this case, so is with 9/11 or the Nevski express: who planned the attack should swing in the wind, no mercy.

God rest in peace the souls of the innocent victims!
As reported here, many/most of them were students.
So sad!

Joe,

I am sorry - but you are firmly on my "ignore" list. I just do not want to quarrel, apologies. If you do not understand - that's perfect, you don't need to. I can't explain you many things and I am not sure, I have energy for that. You may (or may not) think, is your posting appropriate in that form or you maybe could say somewhat else. I am finished answering your question(s). Thanks for understanding.

RIP :(

So let me get this straight. According to some, Russia gets attacked because it represses people in the Caucasus. As if that's somehow an excuse for innocent people to die. This, according to some Western analysts is tantamount to the rage of the oppressed.

So what the Hell was 9/11? Oh wait, let me guess. The brown people just hate us for our freedoms and liberties. We didn't do anything to provoke that.

Another pityless act by those that use the most disgusting means and discredit their supposed cause beyond meaning.

I would warn against staments of the type that terrorism can be defeated. Terrorism cannot be defeated, there will always be a possbility of a terrorist getting through. Whenever people are repressed (real or imagined) they will always resort to desperate measures. Prevention of terrorism is easier than curing it afterward.

My beef is this - I understand what it must be like to feel downtrodden and repressed. I can even understand taking drastic action when somebody has to do something radical to try to change matters. What I can NEVER understand is the taking of innocent civilian life. No matter what suffering you are going through, it never justifies doing an even graver injustice / crime.

Its the same in war as it is in peace - if one is given no choice but to fight then he should attack the military or security forces.

But he (or she in this case?) should never, ever forfeit his soul and butcher civilians.

Joe-

What democracy does the West have? Do you know the true meaning of democracy? "Power to the people"-- this idea hasn't existed in centuries. so please stop with your "democracy" and "democratic views".

Side note- Government in Latin mean... "Guvern mente" which translates to: Mind Conrol... ponder on that one for a bit, will ya :) Good day

It's interesting that those "widows" didn't care about how many people in Chechnya will be affected by this, after all. It's wrong and counterproductive manipulation of the family question- nothing else at these times. Those are Putin's times- one 7 year old knows that. "Good luck" Chechnya...

RIP :(
(Gustave, 29 March 2010 12:55)

Falemenderit shumë

Ian wrote :

“Russia has set a precedent in the Caucasus area and this is a consequence. It is sad that normal people must die due to politicians actions”

I hate people like you who keep on dancing even on the coffins ! Russia has made only one mistake. We let too many enemies in and the English the Turks and Arabs taught our people how to blow objects up. You want us to become a petrol station for the West and you fail to. So you create problems for us here. Remember nothing can break us down and your false compassion can mislead no one. And some day we shall return the boomerang.

Another pityless act by those that use the most disgusting means and discredit their supposed cause beyond meaning.
(bganon, 29 March 2010 19:27)

bganon,

Unfortunately there isn't even a case. The perpetrators have their own web site. The web site has several sections. The English section is basically (to 90%) is just Russia-bashing. It may look like some sort of "freedom fight" - for horribly naive or horribly russofobe ones.

http://www.kavkazcenter.com/eng

However, the "best" part is of course the same in Russian.

http://www.kavkazcenter.com/russ

No wonder they do not translate their best gems into English: they unmask who they are completely and probably no one in the outside world would sympathize with them.

How about this one (they are visibly pity, Barack Obama wasn't killed in Afghanistan):

http://www.kavkazcenter.com/russ/content/2010/03/29/71467.shtml

Good news: countless American soldiers died in Afghanistan due friendly fire:

http://www.kavkazcenter.com/russ/content/2010/03/26/71401.shtml

Even more terrific news - in Afghanistan Hafiz Abdullah killed more than 25 British in a suicide attack:

http://www.kavkazcenter.com/russ/content/2010/03/28/71449.shtml

And so on. Not even Georgia does escape some (indirect) swearing. And of course, Elders of Sion and sodomites are responsible for everything evil.

http://www.kavkazcenter.com/russ/content/2010/03/28/71441.shtml
http://www.kavkazcenter.com/russ/content/2009/02/02/63754.shtml
http://www.kavkazcenter.com/russ/content/2007/06/13/51410.shtml

This one is the "best":

http://www.kavkazcenter.com/russ/content/2007/02/24/49751.shtml

translation:

"(American) democracy in action: sodomy for children is good"

This is pretty cool, too:

http://www.kavkazcenter.com/russ/content/2007/02/11/49577.shtml

translation:

"Italian Rabbi about ritual killing of Christians" (he writes that Christians were ritually killed by Jews. The topic is further discussed in particular that during First Crusade blood of Christians was used by Jews for rituals mixing with vine)


THESE GUYS ARE 100% NUTS. This is not about human rights of Chechens, democracy or anything even close. The society has to get rid of them, one way or an other.

May the families of this human tragedy find strength and comfort through their most difficult times,and may we all work together to stop "darkness"


Terrorism and Islamic fundamentalism are two worst enemies of the people of Islamic faith. Fundamentalism fuels terrorism,which in turn isolates, ostracizes and slows their peoples advancement.

This is the only way the fundis can have and maintain power over their people -- by keeping them in the dark and isolated from new Ideas and possibilities. Hence all the censoring that they enforce.

So far terrorism is being viewed as a fundi thing,but if the rest of the Muslim world continues to be slow in helping to stop them, then it will be viewed by the world as a Muslim thing--Such is human nature.

I think what has happened is just horrible. Terrorism is never the answer.

RIP!
(Ian, UK, 29 March 2010 19:23)

Actually, terrorism was the answer for the KLA. Terrorists were rewarded by your country and mine for their actions by being granted pseudo-independence. That was a sad precedent to start.

Russia recognizes Georgian provinces as independent states because "they don't want to live under Georgian oppression" but doesn't recognize its own separatist provinces that have clearly stated over centuries that they don't want to live under Russian oppression. If Russia thinks that Kosovo was such a big precedent (which it publicly stated) then why doesn't it use that precedent to recognize it's breakaway republics as independent states like it did the Georgian provinces? Is Russia saying that Kosovo can serve as an example for a few hundred thousand Georgian minorities but not for millions of non-Russian people living in the Caucasus who want to live in freedom and are tired of Russian oppression? Let's keep in mind that Russia colonized these regions two hundred years ago against the wishes of the local population that lived in that region. Russia's stance on this issue is so hypocritical that it seriously undermines it's international standing. Of course the crimes that were committed by both sides are unacceptable and need to be condemned but they are only the symptoms of a much more serious disease.

THESE GUYS ARE 100% NUTS. This is not about human rights of Chechens, democracy or anything even close. The society has to get rid of them, one way or an other.
(Ataman, 29 March 2010 20:49)

Indeed and media should stop brainwashing us with poor human right violeted albanian narcoterorists, innocent chechen criminals as well as supressed gypsies driving latest BMWs.

Mass murderers.

Now we have people here who justify or explain why.

Sick.

Unconscionable!

My goodness Joe, you're quite the active blogger today. The funny thing is that if I were to replace "Russia" with "America" and "Moscow" with "Washington" in what you write, you'd sound exactly like Leondias and lowe :)

If I could be the buzzkill to this thought-out neoconservative analysis of yours with something annoyingly objective, I'd say that acts of terrorism committed anywhere by anyone are usually done under the premise of a group feeling wronged by their target people regardless of how irrational or barbaric terrorism is. I'm sure the Chechens have a grudge against Moscow.

As does most of the Arab world against Washington.

But since I don't want to insult your intelligence, I'll assume you already know that and not jump to the irrational conclusion that you're using this incident as a way to score political points for yourself. There's room enough for only one Bill Kristol in this world and even that's too much.

Just one more annoying thing: since you're certainly not shy on informing us of Russia's perennial inability of formulating anything close to democracy I'm curious to know what's your opinion on the innocent Russians who died today? You know, the topic of this article?

I think what has happened is just horrible. Terrorism is never the answer.
(Ian, UK, 29 March 2010 19:23)

Absolutely, yes.

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Russia has set a precedent in the Caucasus area and this is a consequence. It is sad that normal people must die due to politicians actions.
(Ian, UK, 29 March 2010 19:23)

No one excuses the politicians. However, there is no excuse that there is no 100% clear information in the "West" who these people REALLY are. Again, please look at their web site

http://www.kavkazcenter.com/eng
http://www.kavkazcenter.com/russ

and keep in mind what I wrote to "bganon", hope B92 publishes it timely.
In other words: they (the perpetrators) keep separate "face" for the "West" (in English) and a much uglier one for own consumption.

There is no excuse for CNN and co. to call these gangsters "militants" or such. If Russians clearly call the perpetrators of 9/11 "terrorists" than there is no other standard.

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I just hope life can get back to normal as soon as possible.
(Ian, UK, 29 March 2010 19:23)

It will, precisely like in Madrid, in New York, in London. But I want to see the same clear condemning on both sides. No one in Russia called the bandits of these attacks "militants", this is a very poor job from CNN.

What I was referring to earlier is that this kind of attitude did essentially kill the young Russian democracy. Now the word "democracy" in Russia is firmly associated with ponzi schemes, double standard, lies, oligarchy, gangs, public disorders and detorriating public service. I do not know, what will emerge, I still did not give up the hope.

Where do Americans get off talking 'human rights'? What about the American native Indians you white folk slaughtered? What about the black people you white, Anglo-Saxon folk suppressed for decades? Gimme a break you hypocrites!

"Just because I corrected somebody, who daringly spoke about Russian "democracy" does not mean that I am not sorry for ALL innocent victimes, Russians in Moscou and thousands of innocent civilians in Chechnya." (Joe)

-- Well that's certainly a relief. For a minute there I wondered whether beneath the haughty veneer and insensitive posturing of a faux patriot beats a man with a genuine heart. You'll have to excuse my inability at seeing that since I was caught up in your barrage of ill-placed comments at a time when we should simply grieve for the dead. But then again, I think you have a very good point. That annoying half-Jew, half-Russian, half-Kalmyk, half-Eskimo had the nerve to postulate these Slavified Mongoloids have, or had, anything close to democracy. You needed to put him in his place and remind him that terrorism against a non-democratic state is, if not justified, it’s certainly understandable. I'm glad your vigilance and quick thinking have once again defended the Free World. I'm glad I was proven wrong by your Kouchneresque clarity.

"What democracy does the West have?"
trudsaam

Not a perfect one (there is no such thing) but definitely a much better one than your ideal system in Russia, China, Venezuela, Cuba or Iran

" Do you know the true meaning of democracy? "Power to the people""

And how much power do people have in Russia, China? Would you prefer to live in that type of "democracy"?

the current "pro-Moscow" regime there is particularly horrible, and ataman, i'm sure yr well aware of that.
(roberto, 29 March 2010 20:50

Depends on, who. There are some welcome signs, but unfortunately this is not about that. I am of course aware who Putin is, how he got involved into politics and what was the price the nation had to pay. But this is NOT about him, be he who he is.

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there is no way to fight the "post" soviet army, hence these ugly attacks.
(roberto, 29 March 2010 20:50

Roberto, please read again my compilation of "gems" from their web site. They are clever enough NOT to publish their best gems in English. But here I am, at your service. This is not about post-soviet army.

Let's see few links again, I am sure they are your favorites.

http://www.kavkazcenter.com/russ/content/2007/02/11/49577.shtml

translation:

"Italian Rabbi about ritual killing of Christians" (he writes that Christians were ritually killed by Jews. The topic is further discussed in particular that during First Crusade blood of Christians was used by Jews for rituals mixing with vine)

Nice?

http://www.kavkazcenter.com/russ/content/2007/02/24/49751.shtml

translation:

"(American) democracy in action: sodomy for children is good"

And again - the "sad" news, Obama wasn't killed, just "almost":

http://www.kavkazcenter.com/russ/content/2010/03/29/71467.shtml

Roberto,

now I introduced you to these guys. I did not even cherry-pick their stance about Israel (your guess, what it is!).

There are terrorists to condemn, there just can't be any excuse.

But Russia is the bith place of oligarchy. It is like a Russian invention. If Russia gives birth to such a monster it is only the fault of Russia. Also gangs are florishing in Russia more than anywhere else...and corruption big time

(Joe, 29 March 2010 21:53)

Yeah they should get rid of them.But if they tried they would imiditly be accused of being bloodthirsty antisemits.And you would be the loudest accuser here mr Henel.Most of those oligarchs are as russian as Soros or Lantos hungarians.So much about "russian" invention .
And the same applies to communism.It was also another "russian" invention.the stolen wealth of russian aristocracy meant good fortune for many brooklyn and manhattan based families.


Excellent analysis like always.
(Joe, 29 March 2010 21:58)

Indeed excellent but a bit boring.You can hear this kind of parroting on RTL klub,ATV,FOx,CNN and other brainwashing chanels.And BTW who are they run by?

What kind of animals these people are.... that is why I personally think that islam is the worse threat to all Balkans. And I come from an albanian muslim family .... A true curse to my people and all the region. RIP all victims.

"THIS is precisely how "West" did lost Russia"

You can not lose something what you never had. The West didn't lose Russia because it never had it.

"Than why complain about loss of democracy in Russia?"

Russia never had democracy. So nobody is complaing about its loss. People however regreted that it could never develop in Russia. Russian soil is apparently hostile to true democracy.

"Just recently, Gorbachyov did note that the democracy now is in more dire shape than it was during the last days of Soviet Union."

Since democracy never existed he has most likely a special Russian type "pseudo-democracy" in mind. Maybe there are different degrees of that Russian type, that the Russian willingly accept and remind Westerners that they should accept their specific "home grown" democracy. They seem to be perfectly happy with it.

"The 100% blame is on the DIRTY, UGLY WESTERN PROPAGANDA."

This is the best! How funny. What has the West to do with Russian type democracy? What propoganda are you talking about? At least for the last 2 years the West respects Russia's "special" democracy so all Russians s/b happy about. No interference whatoever because Russia is a big country. So what is the problem?

RIP to the victims. They are innocent victims of a terrorist attack. But nobody has the right to kill 100,000 thousand people like the russians did in chechnya and than expect a Thank You letter from the other side.

So let me get this straight. According to some, Russia gets attacked because it represses people in the Caucasus. As if that's somehow an excuse for innocent people to die.
(Mike, 29 March 2010 23:35)

Mike, what I am curious about: I provided the links, straight from horse's mouth.
About being pity that Barack Obama wasn't killed, about Jews drinking blood of Christians about sodomy being the norm in America.

That's precisely from the very same people who organized this bloodbath. Apparently that list of deeds is not impressive enough. Than what is?

I don't want anyone to read more into this than what I'm actually saying but here goes. If People don't believe western media and politicians spreads anti-russian propaganda then look at what was said during the Georgia crisis, especially from Carl Bildt. Eventually the truth came out and how did the politicians explain themselves? By blaming Georgia's president. Apparantly he tricked everyone...

Media here in the west are always quick to put "new cold war" in the headlines as soon as there's a conflict with Russia, does this kind of war mongering exist in Russia as well?

(Joe, 29 March 2010 20:18)

Yeah we can see just how well democracy works i.e. Iraq and Afghanistan.

Democracy is 1,000 times far worse than communism is claimed to be.

I think what has happened is just horrible. Terrorism is never the answer. Russia has set a precedent in the Caucasus area and this is a consequence. It is sad that normal people must die due to politicians actions. I just hope life can get back to normal as soon as possible.

RIP!

I'm very saddened and angered by this latest tragedy. it's not like russian history has been filled with such unlimited joy for its citizens. once again innocent persons pay the price, as happens all too often, by "idealistic" terrorists.

i heard a very strong and informative piece on bbc (yes, they do have public radio in michigan) and the clearest comment by a british lawmaker who had recently been there was: it boils down (again) to human rights. which have been smashed in chechnya, again and again, by putin and co., and of course those who preceded him. the current "pro-Moscow" regime there is particularly horrible, and ataman, i'm sure yr well aware of that. there is no way to fight the "post" soviet army, hence these ugly attacks. i know it is not simple -- but you cannot have such a level of massive repression without these kinds of consequences, islamic or not.

many of us, way too many, have been willing to close our eyes to the waves of russian-driven repression and the complete and widespread violations of human rights. that is a big mistake and it has consequences. like the "poisoning by plutonium." like the repeated murders of liberal journalists ans human rights workers. again and again and again.

this latest terror is a way to get the struggle back on the world stage -- through more blood. how sad the human race can be.

robert
detroit

Russia recognizes Georgian provinces as independent states because "they don't want to live under Georgian oppression" but doesn't recognize its own separatist provinces that have clearly stated over centuries that they don't want to live under Russian oppression. If Russia thinks that Kosovo was such a big precedent (which it publicly stated) then why doesn't it use that precedent to recognize it's breakaway republics as independent states like it did the Georgian provinces? Is Russia saying that Kosovo can serve as an example for a few hundred thousand Georgian minorities but not for millions of non-Russian people living in the Caucasus who want to live in freedom and are tired of Russian oppression? Let's keep in mind that Russia colonized these regions two hundred years ago against the wishes of the local population that lived in that region. Russia's stance on this issue is so hypocritical that it seriously undermines it's international standing. Of course the crimes that were committed by both sides are unacceptable and need to be condemned but they are only the symptoms of a much more serious disease.
(JusticeForPeace, 29 March 2010 17:49)

~Condolences to the families of the train bombing in Russia.~


Take it easy there your honor. Iran and Turkey weren't built in a day--they still be at it. And besides, are you by a chance trying to say that I give back Texas to Montezuma after all that revenge he poured and dumped on us?? And I aint talking about emigrants,we love our brothers, I am talking about The ol' Aztec-two-step, if you know what I mean. Anyways, It's like that little French feller said: You need a doctor,boy!

"Of course the crimes that were committed by both sides are unacceptable and need to be condemned but they are only the symptoms of a much more serious disease".

You need to go and talk to "your" Montezuma about them symptoms of a much more serious disease--we don't need no bombs blowing up here!--we got all these cattle, and don't be wanting no stampedin. And I know for dang sure y'all don't be wanting no Russian bears stampeding all over "your" Caucases.

Judge, I hope my bullying style don't offend you much--It's a Texas thing--,why,if y'all spent as much a time as we do round these here cows and bulls--y'all be walking on all fours and be goring each other.
And you know what they say: You are what you eat, which explains the Russians why they be dancing like bears all the time at ol' Willie's concerts.

~Condolences to the families of the train bombing in Russia.~

"the word "democracy" in Russia is firmly associated with ponzi schemes, double standard, lies, oligarchy, gangs, public disorders and detorriating public service."
ataman

But Russia is the bith place of oligarchy. It is like a Russian invention. If Russia gives birth to such a monster it is only the fault of Russia. Also gangs are florishing in Russia more than anywhere else...and corruption big time

"I do not know, what will emerge"

Nothing good, I can tell you.
It will remain as it is. The West resigned to it. If it is fine with the Russians it is OK with the West.

Jan Andersen (DK), 30 March 2010 22:58

These "people" would kill you and your entire family without blinking, just because you're danish and a danish newspaper published some caricatures. And I would think you're innocent.

szemi wrote: "media should stop brainwashing us with poor human right violeted albanian narcoterorists"
szemi you are calling as “narcoterrorist” my two uncles and the wife of one of them (all of them age above 60) KILLED by Serbian militia in Mitrovica and 16 members of my wife's family KILLED by serbian militia in Fushe Kosova (fathers, sons and cousins 17-85 age)!? Because of people like you, we/Kosova government shall never even technically talk with Serbian government for any issue.

" am sorry - but you are firmly on my "ignore" list."

I have no problem with it. But why do you answer than in first place?

" I just do not want to quarrel, apologies."

Absolutely no need to quarrel since I was just referring to the state of democracy - or the lack of - it in Russia.
Apparently you agree with my assessment.
You can not quarrel about something what does not exist.
You don't have to apologize either. It is not your fault that Russia never knew democracy.

"it boils down (again) to human rights. which have been smashed in chechnya, again and again, by putin and co., and of course those who preceded him. the current "pro-Moscow" regime there is particularly horrible, and ataman, i'm sure yr well aware of that. there is no way to fight the "post" soviet army, hence these ugly attacks. i know it is not simple -- but you cannot have such a level of massive repression without these kinds of consequences, islamic or not.

many of us, way too many, have been willing to close our eyes to the waves of russian-driven repression and the complete and widespread violations of human rights. that is a big mistake and it has consequences. like the "poisoning by plutonium." like the repeated murders of liberal journalists ans human rights workers. again and again and again.

this latest terror is a way to get the struggle back on the world stage -- through more blood. how sad the human race can be."
roberto

Excellent analysis like always.

Sadly, i am well aware of the true meaning and hurt of losing close and loved ones, so I will spare you and not make any moral speech on whether this was coming or not, I know better than that, I will be better than that, though I think we are all ware of what or what not reasons that lies behind these kind of things. This is the cruel face of “the law of action and reaction”. No matter who on which side dies, the consequence is always hurtful marks for the living to carry heavily in their hearts.

What i will say though is that these kind of things should never happened, and in a perfect world no one should have to feel that this is the only way to make a stand, its sad.

Humans need to start showing humanity, its high time for that.

Also i am muslim so please for my sake (and millions of others that are like me) try not to condemn us all, we are not all the same, my true muslim values would never allow me to support anything like this, my islam is not terrorism, my islam is all about peace and showing humanity. If you condemn us all then the terrorists will truly have won. Having in mind that my intention is not to provoke but to show my respect ill just mention this briefly, muslims in general are not being treated as they should, and evil feeds evil.

You got my condolence. RIP.

On 29 March 2010 18:01, adrian/bucharest wrote: "God rest in peace the souls of the innocent victims!"

In a democracy, no one with a right to vote is truly innocent.
--

Luli, you have an opportunity to be a humanitarian here. I understand that you have lost people dear to you but try to understand, there are people like you on the other side of the fence. The task which we must now strive to achieve as human beings is try unite - to bring justice to those that need it most and then rebuild but most importantly, prioritize our new goal on ensuring crimes like these won't happen ever again. Don't let your loved ones die in vein. Together Albanians & Serbs can become much more understanding. Because without this, I fear the Balkans is doomed to repeat the mistakes of the past.

Jan Andersen

So if some muslim terrorist shot one of the Danish satirists who drew the Mohamed cartoons, would you also reply with such a quote?

38 normal people like you or me died, and that's the best you could come up with?

Then again, with the amount of brainwashing and desensitisation in Western Media, I am not surprised that people overlook the deaths of innocents, since the only thing they see is "bad Russia, BAD RUSSIA", thanks to their media.

szemi

Hopefully with the right kind of brainwashing, not like what Agora SA, MediaExpress Sp. z o.o. or Axel Springer do now SA.

I support you ;)

"since you're certainly not shy on informing us of Russia's perennial inability of formulating anything close to democracy I'm curious to know what's your opinion on the innocent Russians who died today".
Mike

It sounds like a provocation but I am used to it. Just because I corrected somebody, who daringly spoke about Russian "democracy" does not mean that I am not sorry for ALL innocent victimes, Russians in Moscou and thousands of innocent civilians in Chechnya.
I also noted that as usual you try to play the community college or whatever teacher with me by pointing out the subject of this article. May I point out on my turn that as a teacher you should also have to ability to read. Read my response to somebody, who dwell over "propoganda" and "Russsian democracy".
It is no secret that we agree to disagree. It is our right but please try to avoid your "teacher approach", keep it in your school.

"your vigilance and quick thinking have once again defended the Free World"
Mike

Well, well, reading your postings lately someone has definitely the impression that your loyalties are not with the Free World.

Then again, with the amount of brainwashing and desensitisation in Western Media, I am not surprised that people overlook the deaths of innocents, since the only thing they see is "bad Russia, BAD RUSSIA", thanks to their media.
(Peter Sudyka, 31 March 2010 12:47)

If I owned the media besides having a multi-level house(kamienica) maybe I would not resist temptation and start brainwashing as well.

OK Jan, that's one way to put it and of course is theoretically valid. But, just in my opinion, that also suggests the fact that publishing the caricatures/arresting some of these mad people etc. is (even theoretically) a valid trigger for extreme acts. In my opinion it's not either valid or even logic to be considered a trigger. There are just some things that are beyond any citizen's (even government's) control and even if it's not a caricature, it's a book or an act, or whatever else. They will always find a "good" excuse invoking religious stuff, but actually looking for their own interests (getting a better position in the "movement", tons of "groupies' etc). That's why I think any debate on their reasons for such acts is useless and only inflates their stance, something like the russian authorities should avoid right now. For them everybody at some point will be guilty of something.
As a side note, it's funny to see how some governments say that their are improving their relations with the muslim world, by engaging in different sorts of dialogues with these kind of extremist/semi-extrimist groups when by doing so they are just silencing the vast majority of honest and kind muslims.

First of all Putin need to be elimineted,
thanks to him(Putin) this is happend.
Sorry for inocent people who are paying the price.

No adrian, I am not innocent. I voted for the same government where the Danish Prime Minister told the Muslim ambassadors, that he could not, would not, order the press to issue an apology or shut down the newspaper.

Even if I had voted against him and his party, I could have done more to change Danish law to make it possible. I could have campaigned for a party like Radical Left, that was very critical of the Mohammad drawings, I could have raised my voice in newspapers, on-line forums, etc. Anyone who lives in a democracy and does none of these things, is to some degree guilty of participation.

And - the extreme - I could have chosen to leave Denmark, immigrate to another country, and get another passport and citizen ship.

I choose not to and so I am not totally innocent.

Remember, "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil, is for good men to do nothing". By that definition, even good men can not claim innocence.
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These Stances like "...will be eliminated" is a very poor statement. Why didn't Mr. Putin "eliminate" those terrorist before these catastrophe? He is abusing power with these kind of "more of the same game" and directing Russia straight to Hell.

Hehe, more than 30 people died in Russia, but what I got from the comments here is only how bad CNN is.

Is it yet confirmed that "terrorists" are responsible ?

"THIS is precisely how "West" did lost Russia"

You can not lose something what you never had. The West didn't lose Russia because it never had it.

"Than why complain about loss of democracy in Russia?"

Russia never had democracy. So nobody is complaing about its loss. People however regreted that it could never develop in Russia. Russian soil is apparently hostile to true democracy.

"Just recently, Gorbachyov did note that the democracy now is in more dire shape than it was during the last days of Soviet Union."

Since democracy never existed he has most likely a special Russian type "pseudo-democracy" in mind. Maybe there are different degrees of that Russian type, that the Russian willingly accept and remind Westerners that they should accept their specific "home grown" democracy. They seem to be perfectly happy with it.

"The 100% blame is on the DIRTY, UGLY WESTERN PROPAGANDA."

This is the best! How funny. What has the West to do with Russian type democracy? What propoganda are you talking about? At least for the last 2 years the West respects Russia's "special" democracy so all Russians s/b happy about. No interference whatoever because Russia is a big country. So what is the problem?

Russia recognizes Georgian provinces as independent states because "they don't want to live under Georgian oppression" but doesn't recognize its own separatist provinces that have clearly stated over centuries that they don't want to live under Russian oppression. If Russia thinks that Kosovo was such a big precedent (which it publicly stated) then why doesn't it use that precedent to recognize it's breakaway republics as independent states like it did the Georgian provinces? Is Russia saying that Kosovo can serve as an example for a few hundred thousand Georgian minorities but not for millions of non-Russian people living in the Caucasus who want to live in freedom and are tired of Russian oppression? Let's keep in mind that Russia colonized these regions two hundred years ago against the wishes of the local population that lived in that region. Russia's stance on this issue is so hypocritical that it seriously undermines it's international standing. Of course the crimes that were committed by both sides are unacceptable and need to be condemned but they are only the symptoms of a much more serious disease.

I'm very saddened and angered by this latest tragedy. it's not like russian history has been filled with such unlimited joy for its citizens. once again innocent persons pay the price, as happens all too often, by "idealistic" terrorists.

i heard a very strong and informative piece on bbc (yes, they do have public radio in michigan) and the clearest comment by a british lawmaker who had recently been there was: it boils down (again) to human rights. which have been smashed in chechnya, again and again, by putin and co., and of course those who preceded him. the current "pro-Moscow" regime there is particularly horrible, and ataman, i'm sure yr well aware of that. there is no way to fight the "post" soviet army, hence these ugly attacks. i know it is not simple -- but you cannot have such a level of massive repression without these kinds of consequences, islamic or not.

many of us, way too many, have been willing to close our eyes to the waves of russian-driven repression and the complete and widespread violations of human rights. that is a big mistake and it has consequences. like the "poisoning by plutonium." like the repeated murders of liberal journalists ans human rights workers. again and again and again.

this latest terror is a way to get the struggle back on the world stage -- through more blood. how sad the human race can be.

robert
detroit

RIP to the victims. They are innocent victims of a terrorist attack. But nobody has the right to kill 100,000 thousand people like the russians did in chechnya and than expect a Thank You letter from the other side.

" am sorry - but you are firmly on my "ignore" list."

I have no problem with it. But why do you answer than in first place?

" I just do not want to quarrel, apologies."

Absolutely no need to quarrel since I was just referring to the state of democracy - or the lack of - it in Russia.
Apparently you agree with my assessment.
You can not quarrel about something what does not exist.
You don't have to apologize either. It is not your fault that Russia never knew democracy.

First of all Putin need to be elimineted,
thanks to him(Putin) this is happend.
Sorry for inocent people who are paying the price.

I think what has happened is just horrible. Terrorism is never the answer. Russia has set a precedent in the Caucasus area and this is a consequence. It is sad that normal people must die due to politicians actions. I just hope life can get back to normal as soon as possible.

RIP!

"it boils down (again) to human rights. which have been smashed in chechnya, again and again, by putin and co., and of course those who preceded him. the current "pro-Moscow" regime there is particularly horrible, and ataman, i'm sure yr well aware of that. there is no way to fight the "post" soviet army, hence these ugly attacks. i know it is not simple -- but you cannot have such a level of massive repression without these kinds of consequences, islamic or not.

many of us, way too many, have been willing to close our eyes to the waves of russian-driven repression and the complete and widespread violations of human rights. that is a big mistake and it has consequences. like the "poisoning by plutonium." like the repeated murders of liberal journalists ans human rights workers. again and again and again.

this latest terror is a way to get the struggle back on the world stage -- through more blood. how sad the human race can be."
roberto

Excellent analysis like always.

"the word "democracy" in Russia is firmly associated with ponzi schemes, double standard, lies, oligarchy, gangs, public disorders and detorriating public service."
ataman

But Russia is the bith place of oligarchy. It is like a Russian invention. If Russia gives birth to such a monster it is only the fault of Russia. Also gangs are florishing in Russia more than anywhere else...and corruption big time

"I do not know, what will emerge"

Nothing good, I can tell you.
It will remain as it is. The West resigned to it. If it is fine with the Russians it is OK with the West.

"since you're certainly not shy on informing us of Russia's perennial inability of formulating anything close to democracy I'm curious to know what's your opinion on the innocent Russians who died today".
Mike

It sounds like a provocation but I am used to it. Just because I corrected somebody, who daringly spoke about Russian "democracy" does not mean that I am not sorry for ALL innocent victimes, Russians in Moscou and thousands of innocent civilians in Chechnya.
I also noted that as usual you try to play the community college or whatever teacher with me by pointing out the subject of this article. May I point out on my turn that as a teacher you should also have to ability to read. Read my response to somebody, who dwell over "propoganda" and "Russsian democracy".
It is no secret that we agree to disagree. It is our right but please try to avoid your "teacher approach", keep it in your school.

"What democracy does the West have?"
trudsaam

Not a perfect one (there is no such thing) but definitely a much better one than your ideal system in Russia, China, Venezuela, Cuba or Iran

" Do you know the true meaning of democracy? "Power to the people""

And how much power do people have in Russia, China? Would you prefer to live in that type of "democracy"?

szemi wrote: "media should stop brainwashing us with poor human right violeted albanian narcoterorists"
szemi you are calling as “narcoterrorist” my two uncles and the wife of one of them (all of them age above 60) KILLED by Serbian militia in Mitrovica and 16 members of my wife's family KILLED by serbian militia in Fushe Kosova (fathers, sons and cousins 17-85 age)!? Because of people like you, we/Kosova government shall never even technically talk with Serbian government for any issue.

"your vigilance and quick thinking have once again defended the Free World"
Mike

Well, well, reading your postings lately someone has definitely the impression that your loyalties are not with the Free World.

These Stances like "...will be eliminated" is a very poor statement. Why didn't Mr. Putin "eliminate" those terrorist before these catastrophe? He is abusing power with these kind of "more of the same game" and directing Russia straight to Hell.

Hehe, more than 30 people died in Russia, but what I got from the comments here is only how bad CNN is.

Very horrible, but sadly B92 is incorrect: bombing the "Nevski" express train was only few month ago and an other one almost identical happened in 2007. No one was killed in 2007, but the attack of 2009 claimed 27 lives.

The main bomber of 2007 got 10 years, the second bomber got 4 years. No one was killed in 2007, so the terrorist chargers were dropped... they are guilty of "supplying explosives". Both are from troubled Caucasus area.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udVeNZfdR8U

Many thanks to B92 reporting this horrible news as "TERRORIST" attack.

Thumbs down for CNN:

http://tinyurl.com/ybyp3s2

They use words like "militants", "fighters", "separatists". How nice. BTW, the common Russian word for 9/11 is "Теракт" ( = террористический акт).

Maybe from today on the language about 9/11/2001 should be changed to a neutral "милитаристический акт". Or CNN should apologize (never will happen).

This is a good example of "unbiased" reporting. And me, naive, before early 90-s did think, there is no such thing as "dirty Western propaganda"!!!

THIS is precisely how "West" did lost Russia and to a large degree Serbia. This is the "gift" we get from these oh-so-humanitarian-bombing politicians every day. Wonder, why Serbs explode with anti-Western emotions? How Americans would feel about someone saying:

"This 9/11 was a militant act", part of the "struggle which can be traced back to the British colonial era"

(just copy-pasting from CNN web site, nothing more).

How cute.

Than why complain about loss of democracy in Russia? Just recently, Gorbachyov did note that the democracy now is in more dire shape than it was during the last days of Soviet Union. He is unfortunately correct. The 100% blame is on the DIRTY, UGLY WESTERN PROPAGANDA.

Sorry to be more emotional than usual - but it the evil just introduced himself on the pages of CNN.
Looking at the comments of most "Western" readers it seems, this time CNN went over the border of good taste.

BTW: as with this case, so is with 9/11 or the Nevski express: who planned the attack should swing in the wind, no mercy.

THESE GUYS ARE 100% NUTS. This is not about human rights of Chechens, democracy or anything even close. The society has to get rid of them, one way or an other.
(Ataman, 29 March 2010 20:49)

Indeed and media should stop brainwashing us with poor human right violeted albanian narcoterorists, innocent chechen criminals as well as supressed gypsies driving latest BMWs.

Joe,

I am sorry - but you are firmly on my "ignore" list. I just do not want to quarrel, apologies. If you do not understand - that's perfect, you don't need to. I can't explain you many things and I am not sure, I have energy for that. You may (or may not) think, is your posting appropriate in that form or you maybe could say somewhat else. I am finished answering your question(s). Thanks for understanding.

But Russia is the bith place of oligarchy. It is like a Russian invention. If Russia gives birth to such a monster it is only the fault of Russia. Also gangs are florishing in Russia more than anywhere else...and corruption big time

(Joe, 29 March 2010 21:53)

Yeah they should get rid of them.But if they tried they would imiditly be accused of being bloodthirsty antisemits.And you would be the loudest accuser here mr Henel.Most of those oligarchs are as russian as Soros or Lantos hungarians.So much about "russian" invention .
And the same applies to communism.It was also another "russian" invention.the stolen wealth of russian aristocracy meant good fortune for many brooklyn and manhattan based families.


Excellent analysis like always.
(Joe, 29 March 2010 21:58)

Indeed excellent but a bit boring.You can hear this kind of parroting on RTL klub,ATV,FOx,CNN and other brainwashing chanels.And BTW who are they run by?

I think what has happened is just horrible. Terrorism is never the answer.

RIP!
(Ian, UK, 29 March 2010 19:23)

Actually, terrorism was the answer for the KLA. Terrorists were rewarded by your country and mine for their actions by being granted pseudo-independence. That was a sad precedent to start.

Another pityless act by those that use the most disgusting means and discredit their supposed cause beyond meaning.

I would warn against staments of the type that terrorism can be defeated. Terrorism cannot be defeated, there will always be a possbility of a terrorist getting through. Whenever people are repressed (real or imagined) they will always resort to desperate measures. Prevention of terrorism is easier than curing it afterward.

My beef is this - I understand what it must be like to feel downtrodden and repressed. I can even understand taking drastic action when somebody has to do something radical to try to change matters. What I can NEVER understand is the taking of innocent civilian life. No matter what suffering you are going through, it never justifies doing an even graver injustice / crime.

Its the same in war as it is in peace - if one is given no choice but to fight then he should attack the military or security forces.

But he (or she in this case?) should never, ever forfeit his soul and butcher civilians.

Joe-

What democracy does the West have? Do you know the true meaning of democracy? "Power to the people"-- this idea hasn't existed in centuries. so please stop with your "democracy" and "democratic views".

Side note- Government in Latin mean... "Guvern mente" which translates to: Mind Conrol... ponder on that one for a bit, will ya :) Good day

So let me get this straight. According to some, Russia gets attacked because it represses people in the Caucasus. As if that's somehow an excuse for innocent people to die. This, according to some Western analysts is tantamount to the rage of the oppressed.

So what the Hell was 9/11? Oh wait, let me guess. The brown people just hate us for our freedoms and liberties. We didn't do anything to provoke that.

No adrian, I am not innocent. I voted for the same government where the Danish Prime Minister told the Muslim ambassadors, that he could not, would not, order the press to issue an apology or shut down the newspaper.

Even if I had voted against him and his party, I could have done more to change Danish law to make it possible. I could have campaigned for a party like Radical Left, that was very critical of the Mohammad drawings, I could have raised my voice in newspapers, on-line forums, etc. Anyone who lives in a democracy and does none of these things, is to some degree guilty of participation.

And - the extreme - I could have chosen to leave Denmark, immigrate to another country, and get another passport and citizen ship.

I choose not to and so I am not totally innocent.

Remember, "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil, is for good men to do nothing". By that definition, even good men can not claim innocence.
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I think what has happened is just horrible. Terrorism is never the answer.
(Ian, UK, 29 March 2010 19:23)

Absolutely, yes.

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Russia has set a precedent in the Caucasus area and this is a consequence. It is sad that normal people must die due to politicians actions.
(Ian, UK, 29 March 2010 19:23)

No one excuses the politicians. However, there is no excuse that there is no 100% clear information in the "West" who these people REALLY are. Again, please look at their web site

http://www.kavkazcenter.com/eng
http://www.kavkazcenter.com/russ

and keep in mind what I wrote to "bganon", hope B92 publishes it timely.
In other words: they (the perpetrators) keep separate "face" for the "West" (in English) and a much uglier one for own consumption.

There is no excuse for CNN and co. to call these gangsters "militants" or such. If Russians clearly call the perpetrators of 9/11 "terrorists" than there is no other standard.

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I just hope life can get back to normal as soon as possible.
(Ian, UK, 29 March 2010 19:23)

It will, precisely like in Madrid, in New York, in London. But I want to see the same clear condemning on both sides. No one in Russia called the bandits of these attacks "militants", this is a very poor job from CNN.

What I was referring to earlier is that this kind of attitude did essentially kill the young Russian democracy. Now the word "democracy" in Russia is firmly associated with ponzi schemes, double standard, lies, oligarchy, gangs, public disorders and detorriating public service. I do not know, what will emerge, I still did not give up the hope.

the current "pro-Moscow" regime there is particularly horrible, and ataman, i'm sure yr well aware of that.
(roberto, 29 March 2010 20:50

Depends on, who. There are some welcome signs, but unfortunately this is not about that. I am of course aware who Putin is, how he got involved into politics and what was the price the nation had to pay. But this is NOT about him, be he who he is.

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there is no way to fight the "post" soviet army, hence these ugly attacks.
(roberto, 29 March 2010 20:50

Roberto, please read again my compilation of "gems" from their web site. They are clever enough NOT to publish their best gems in English. But here I am, at your service. This is not about post-soviet army.

Let's see few links again, I am sure they are your favorites.

http://www.kavkazcenter.com/russ/content/2007/02/11/49577.shtml

translation:

"Italian Rabbi about ritual killing of Christians" (he writes that Christians were ritually killed by Jews. The topic is further discussed in particular that during First Crusade blood of Christians was used by Jews for rituals mixing with vine)

Nice?

http://www.kavkazcenter.com/russ/content/2007/02/24/49751.shtml

translation:

"(American) democracy in action: sodomy for children is good"

And again - the "sad" news, Obama wasn't killed, just "almost":

http://www.kavkazcenter.com/russ/content/2010/03/29/71467.shtml

Roberto,

now I introduced you to these guys. I did not even cherry-pick their stance about Israel (your guess, what it is!).

There are terrorists to condemn, there just can't be any excuse.

My goodness Joe, you're quite the active blogger today. The funny thing is that if I were to replace "Russia" with "America" and "Moscow" with "Washington" in what you write, you'd sound exactly like Leondias and lowe :)

If I could be the buzzkill to this thought-out neoconservative analysis of yours with something annoyingly objective, I'd say that acts of terrorism committed anywhere by anyone are usually done under the premise of a group feeling wronged by their target people regardless of how irrational or barbaric terrorism is. I'm sure the Chechens have a grudge against Moscow.

As does most of the Arab world against Washington.

But since I don't want to insult your intelligence, I'll assume you already know that and not jump to the irrational conclusion that you're using this incident as a way to score political points for yourself. There's room enough for only one Bill Kristol in this world and even that's too much.

Just one more annoying thing: since you're certainly not shy on informing us of Russia's perennial inability of formulating anything close to democracy I'm curious to know what's your opinion on the innocent Russians who died today? You know, the topic of this article?

So let me get this straight. According to some, Russia gets attacked because it represses people in the Caucasus. As if that's somehow an excuse for innocent people to die.
(Mike, 29 March 2010 23:35)

Mike, what I am curious about: I provided the links, straight from horse's mouth.
About being pity that Barack Obama wasn't killed, about Jews drinking blood of Christians about sodomy being the norm in America.

That's precisely from the very same people who organized this bloodbath. Apparently that list of deeds is not impressive enough. Than what is?

Ian wrote :

“Russia has set a precedent in the Caucasus area and this is a consequence. It is sad that normal people must die due to politicians actions”

I hate people like you who keep on dancing even on the coffins ! Russia has made only one mistake. We let too many enemies in and the English the Turks and Arabs taught our people how to blow objects up. You want us to become a petrol station for the West and you fail to. So you create problems for us here. Remember nothing can break us down and your false compassion can mislead no one. And some day we shall return the boomerang.

Where do Americans get off talking 'human rights'? What about the American native Indians you white folk slaughtered? What about the black people you white, Anglo-Saxon folk suppressed for decades? Gimme a break you hypocrites!

(Joe, 29 March 2010 20:18)

Yeah we can see just how well democracy works i.e. Iraq and Afghanistan.

Democracy is 1,000 times far worse than communism is claimed to be.

"Just because I corrected somebody, who daringly spoke about Russian "democracy" does not mean that I am not sorry for ALL innocent victimes, Russians in Moscou and thousands of innocent civilians in Chechnya." (Joe)

-- Well that's certainly a relief. For a minute there I wondered whether beneath the haughty veneer and insensitive posturing of a faux patriot beats a man with a genuine heart. You'll have to excuse my inability at seeing that since I was caught up in your barrage of ill-placed comments at a time when we should simply grieve for the dead. But then again, I think you have a very good point. That annoying half-Jew, half-Russian, half-Kalmyk, half-Eskimo had the nerve to postulate these Slavified Mongoloids have, or had, anything close to democracy. You needed to put him in his place and remind him that terrorism against a non-democratic state is, if not justified, it’s certainly understandable. I'm glad your vigilance and quick thinking have once again defended the Free World. I'm glad I was proven wrong by your Kouchneresque clarity.

On 29 March 2010 18:01, adrian/bucharest wrote: "God rest in peace the souls of the innocent victims!"

In a democracy, no one with a right to vote is truly innocent.
--

Jan Andersen

So if some muslim terrorist shot one of the Danish satirists who drew the Mohamed cartoons, would you also reply with such a quote?

38 normal people like you or me died, and that's the best you could come up with?

Then again, with the amount of brainwashing and desensitisation in Western Media, I am not surprised that people overlook the deaths of innocents, since the only thing they see is "bad Russia, BAD RUSSIA", thanks to their media.

I don't want anyone to read more into this than what I'm actually saying but here goes. If People don't believe western media and politicians spreads anti-russian propaganda then look at what was said during the Georgia crisis, especially from Carl Bildt. Eventually the truth came out and how did the politicians explain themselves? By blaming Georgia's president. Apparantly he tricked everyone...

Media here in the west are always quick to put "new cold war" in the headlines as soon as there's a conflict with Russia, does this kind of war mongering exist in Russia as well?

Another pityless act by those that use the most disgusting means and discredit their supposed cause beyond meaning.
(bganon, 29 March 2010 19:27)

bganon,

Unfortunately there isn't even a case. The perpetrators have their own web site. The web site has several sections. The English section is basically (to 90%) is just Russia-bashing. It may look like some sort of "freedom fight" - for horribly naive or horribly russofobe ones.

http://www.kavkazcenter.com/eng

However, the "best" part is of course the same in Russian.

http://www.kavkazcenter.com/russ

No wonder they do not translate their best gems into English: they unmask who they are completely and probably no one in the outside world would sympathize with them.

How about this one (they are visibly pity, Barack Obama wasn't killed in Afghanistan):

http://www.kavkazcenter.com/russ/content/2010/03/29/71467.shtml

Good news: countless American soldiers died in Afghanistan due friendly fire:

http://www.kavkazcenter.com/russ/content/2010/03/26/71401.shtml

Even more terrific news - in Afghanistan Hafiz Abdullah killed more than 25 British in a suicide attack:

http://www.kavkazcenter.com/russ/content/2010/03/28/71449.shtml

And so on. Not even Georgia does escape some (indirect) swearing. And of course, Elders of Sion and sodomites are responsible for everything evil.

http://www.kavkazcenter.com/russ/content/2010/03/28/71441.shtml
http://www.kavkazcenter.com/russ/content/2009/02/02/63754.shtml
http://www.kavkazcenter.com/russ/content/2007/06/13/51410.shtml

This one is the "best":

http://www.kavkazcenter.com/russ/content/2007/02/24/49751.shtml

translation:

"(American) democracy in action: sodomy for children is good"

This is pretty cool, too:

http://www.kavkazcenter.com/russ/content/2007/02/11/49577.shtml

translation:

"Italian Rabbi about ritual killing of Christians" (he writes that Christians were ritually killed by Jews. The topic is further discussed in particular that during First Crusade blood of Christians was used by Jews for rituals mixing with vine)


THESE GUYS ARE 100% NUTS. This is not about human rights of Chechens, democracy or anything even close. The society has to get rid of them, one way or an other.

What kind of animals these people are.... that is why I personally think that islam is the worse threat to all Balkans. And I come from an albanian muslim family .... A true curse to my people and all the region. RIP all victims.

Luli, you have an opportunity to be a humanitarian here. I understand that you have lost people dear to you but try to understand, there are people like you on the other side of the fence. The task which we must now strive to achieve as human beings is try unite - to bring justice to those that need it most and then rebuild but most importantly, prioritize our new goal on ensuring crimes like these won't happen ever again. Don't let your loved ones die in vein. Together Albanians & Serbs can become much more understanding. Because without this, I fear the Balkans is doomed to repeat the mistakes of the past.

Jan Andersen (DK), 30 March 2010 22:58

These "people" would kill you and your entire family without blinking, just because you're danish and a danish newspaper published some caricatures. And I would think you're innocent.

Then again, with the amount of brainwashing and desensitisation in Western Media, I am not surprised that people overlook the deaths of innocents, since the only thing they see is "bad Russia, BAD RUSSIA", thanks to their media.
(Peter Sudyka, 31 March 2010 12:47)

If I owned the media besides having a multi-level house(kamienica) maybe I would not resist temptation and start brainwashing as well.

szemi

Hopefully with the right kind of brainwashing, not like what Agora SA, MediaExpress Sp. z o.o. or Axel Springer do now SA.

I support you ;)

RIP :(
(Gustave, 29 March 2010 12:55)

Falemenderit shumë

Russia recognizes Georgian provinces as independent states because "they don't want to live under Georgian oppression" but doesn't recognize its own separatist provinces that have clearly stated over centuries that they don't want to live under Russian oppression. If Russia thinks that Kosovo was such a big precedent (which it publicly stated) then why doesn't it use that precedent to recognize it's breakaway republics as independent states like it did the Georgian provinces? Is Russia saying that Kosovo can serve as an example for a few hundred thousand Georgian minorities but not for millions of non-Russian people living in the Caucasus who want to live in freedom and are tired of Russian oppression? Let's keep in mind that Russia colonized these regions two hundred years ago against the wishes of the local population that lived in that region. Russia's stance on this issue is so hypocritical that it seriously undermines it's international standing. Of course the crimes that were committed by both sides are unacceptable and need to be condemned but they are only the symptoms of a much more serious disease.
(JusticeForPeace, 29 March 2010 17:49)

~Condolences to the families of the train bombing in Russia.~


Take it easy there your honor. Iran and Turkey weren't built in a day--they still be at it. And besides, are you by a chance trying to say that I give back Texas to Montezuma after all that revenge he poured and dumped on us?? And I aint talking about emigrants,we love our brothers, I am talking about The ol' Aztec-two-step, if you know what I mean. Anyways, It's like that little French feller said: You need a doctor,boy!

"Of course the crimes that were committed by both sides are unacceptable and need to be condemned but they are only the symptoms of a much more serious disease".

You need to go and talk to "your" Montezuma about them symptoms of a much more serious disease--we don't need no bombs blowing up here!--we got all these cattle, and don't be wanting no stampedin. And I know for dang sure y'all don't be wanting no Russian bears stampeding all over "your" Caucases.

Judge, I hope my bullying style don't offend you much--It's a Texas thing--,why,if y'all spent as much a time as we do round these here cows and bulls--y'all be walking on all fours and be goring each other.
And you know what they say: You are what you eat, which explains the Russians why they be dancing like bears all the time at ol' Willie's concerts.

~Condolences to the families of the train bombing in Russia.~

Mass murderers.

Now we have people here who justify or explain why.

Sick.

Unconscionable!

RIP :(

God rest in peace the souls of the innocent victims!
As reported here, many/most of them were students.
So sad!

May the families of this human tragedy find strength and comfort through their most difficult times,and may we all work together to stop "darkness"


Terrorism and Islamic fundamentalism are two worst enemies of the people of Islamic faith. Fundamentalism fuels terrorism,which in turn isolates, ostracizes and slows their peoples advancement.

This is the only way the fundis can have and maintain power over their people -- by keeping them in the dark and isolated from new Ideas and possibilities. Hence all the censoring that they enforce.

So far terrorism is being viewed as a fundi thing,but if the rest of the Muslim world continues to be slow in helping to stop them, then it will be viewed by the world as a Muslim thing--Such is human nature.

Sadly, i am well aware of the true meaning and hurt of losing close and loved ones, so I will spare you and not make any moral speech on whether this was coming or not, I know better than that, I will be better than that, though I think we are all ware of what or what not reasons that lies behind these kind of things. This is the cruel face of “the law of action and reaction”. No matter who on which side dies, the consequence is always hurtful marks for the living to carry heavily in their hearts.

What i will say though is that these kind of things should never happened, and in a perfect world no one should have to feel that this is the only way to make a stand, its sad.

Humans need to start showing humanity, its high time for that.

Also i am muslim so please for my sake (and millions of others that are like me) try not to condemn us all, we are not all the same, my true muslim values would never allow me to support anything like this, my islam is not terrorism, my islam is all about peace and showing humanity. If you condemn us all then the terrorists will truly have won. Having in mind that my intention is not to provoke but to show my respect ill just mention this briefly, muslims in general are not being treated as they should, and evil feeds evil.

You got my condolence. RIP.

Is it yet confirmed that "terrorists" are responsible ?

OK Jan, that's one way to put it and of course is theoretically valid. But, just in my opinion, that also suggests the fact that publishing the caricatures/arresting some of these mad people etc. is (even theoretically) a valid trigger for extreme acts. In my opinion it's not either valid or even logic to be considered a trigger. There are just some things that are beyond any citizen's (even government's) control and even if it's not a caricature, it's a book or an act, or whatever else. They will always find a "good" excuse invoking religious stuff, but actually looking for their own interests (getting a better position in the "movement", tons of "groupies' etc). That's why I think any debate on their reasons for such acts is useless and only inflates their stance, something like the russian authorities should avoid right now. For them everybody at some point will be guilty of something.
As a side note, it's funny to see how some governments say that their are improving their relations with the muslim world, by engaging in different sorts of dialogues with these kind of extremist/semi-extrimist groups when by doing so they are just silencing the vast majority of honest and kind muslims.

It's interesting that those "widows" didn't care about how many people in Chechnya will be affected by this, after all. It's wrong and counterproductive manipulation of the family question- nothing else at these times. Those are Putin's times- one 7 year old knows that. "Good luck" Chechnya...