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Sunday, 28.03.2010.

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“ICJ opinion could be given in November”

According to daily Politika, the International Court of Justice (ICJ) could give its opinion on the legality of Kosovo’s independence in November.

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FairPlay

pre 14 godina

"We have not decided whether we want to separate northern Kosovo". This man can't be serious. There is no such option on the table and he knows it. Serbia can either accept all of Kosovo or refuse to accept all of Kosovo but partitioning regions based on ethnicity is extremely dangerous and would lead the entire Balkans (the entire world even) into a state of long-term conflict and instability. It seems to me that the Milosevic-era policies of using ethnic Serbs as pawns in Serbia's foreign policy has stayed exactly the same as it was in the 90s. Belgrade tells them to jump and they jump regardless of the consequences to their own well being (we saw this happen in Croatia, BiH, and Kosovo in the 90s and it is still continuing in BiH and Kosovo today).

Peggy

pre 14 godina

The question put to the court was very precise and the answer should not depend on whether Mladic is found or not or whether Serbia can be persuaded to recognise Kosovo or not.

UDI was either legal or illegal.
So if Serbia gets enough pressure and recognised Kosovo in some way, the law will automatically change and the verdict will be that the UDI was legal?

An opinion on a legal matter only depends on what the law says and nothing else, so why are they waiting for circumstances to change?

Mike

pre 14 godina

"[Politika's] sources say that the decision will be postponed to a later date because the international community expects Serbia to arrested and extradite war crimes fugitive Ratko Mladić first."

-- I fail to see how to two are related. Serbia's EU integration is contingent on finding Mladic, not accepting Kosovo's loss. Aside from Holbrooke and Ahtisaari, no one is even thinking of making Serbia recognize Kosovo so long as 5 EU members do not and will not.

“Since the dominant countries of the international community are not even sure what the court will say, they do not want any added complications for their already existing strategy of putting pressure on Serbia. In this way, it is easiest for the international community ro have Serbia recognize Kosovo’s independence in some way, and it should be expected that this year, the pressure will be very sharp, whether it relates to conditioning entrance into the EU with Kosovo, or conflicts regarding NATO membership or the status of the Republic of Srpska,” Fatić said.

-- Well good luck trying to get that to happen. If international pressure to get Serbia to recognize has failed to produce anything in the first two years, every subsequent year will probably show a weaker and weaker initiative. Pressuring Serbia to accept Kosovo's loss, after it said it would never recognize, will only strain relations between Belgrade and the West - a relationship that the West is keen on cultivating as the rest of the Balkans are integrated into the EU. Serbian integration is far more important than "solving" the Kosovo crisis, and depending on how ambiguous the ICJ ruling is, the most likely solution is accepting the internal administrative partition of Kosovo, which has no hope of ever becoming a self-sustaining country on its own. I'm with Janjic on this one

“There needs to be serious discussions on the partition of Kosovo, because we are behind the Kosovo Albanians, since they have already started the project for the reintegration of northern Kosovo, and we have not decided yet if we want to separate northern Kosovo,” Fatić said, adding that Belgrade’s policies are very indecisive in relation to Kosovo.

-- First, I really doubt Pristina's sincerity in "integrating" the north. I really have to believe this is more for show than anything else as they don't have the slightest foothold in the north and no international body is all that interested in rocking the boat up there. If Kosovo's stability means the de jure loss of the north, then so be it. But at the same time, there have been no signs from Belgrade on any attempts at "reintegrating" the Albanian sectors of Kosovo. When was the last time anyone heard Belgrade say anything about Prizren or Djakovica? The "partition" of Kosovo already took place the minute Pristina declared independence in February 2008 as the ethnic majority municipalities retain control over their own affairs. If anything, Belgrade and Pristina will have to accept a municipality by municipality division, with the Albanians taking the lion's share of the spoils.

BOPA

pre 14 godina

“There needs to be serious discussions on the partition of Kosovo, because we are behind the Kosovo Albanians, since they have already started the project for the reintegration of northern Kosovo, and we have not decided yet if we want to separate northern Kosovo,” Fatić said, adding that Belgrade’s policies are very indecisive in relation to Kosovo


And risk regional war? You think it will stop there, what about Republika Srpska, Preseva valley or half of FYROM?

EA

pre 14 godina

Whatever the deliberations of ICJ could be it will not change anything in its substance. There will be no return of Kosovo/a to Serbia. That is the bottom line. Serbia has never had any intention to respect the Court's Opinion. We all know that because it has been declared by the Serbia's official that "we will never recognise Kosovo/a's independece". The application to ICJ was made purely to put further recognitions of Kosovo/a's independence on hold. On that ground Serbia has succeeded.

dean SRB

pre 14 godina

Man can read and understand this news only on two possible ways:

- either this news is somebodies big time nonsense and lie because there cannot be possible connection for ICJ in between Mladić and "Kosovo question"

- or if it may be truthful, then it disperses any, even slightest, chance for impartiality and independence of that "court".

I would rather believe in option one though I do not have much of illusion in impartiality of that institution.
Statement of their official that "a date for the decision is not known and that all reports on a known date are pure speculation" is also greatly unconvincing because initially suggested and expected time for "decision" is clearly approaching and every delay implies on political pressure and non-independent politicization of the case.

dean SRB

pre 14 godina

Man can read and understand this news only on two possible ways:

- either this news is somebodies big time nonsense and lie because there cannot be possible connection for ICJ in between Mladić and "Kosovo question"

- or if it may be truthful, then it disperses any, even slightest, chance for impartiality and independence of that "court".

I would rather believe in option one though I do not have much of illusion in impartiality of that institution.
Statement of their official that "a date for the decision is not known and that all reports on a known date are pure speculation" is also greatly unconvincing because initially suggested and expected time for "decision" is clearly approaching and every delay implies on political pressure and non-independent politicization of the case.

Mike

pre 14 godina

"[Politika's] sources say that the decision will be postponed to a later date because the international community expects Serbia to arrested and extradite war crimes fugitive Ratko Mladić first."

-- I fail to see how to two are related. Serbia's EU integration is contingent on finding Mladic, not accepting Kosovo's loss. Aside from Holbrooke and Ahtisaari, no one is even thinking of making Serbia recognize Kosovo so long as 5 EU members do not and will not.

“Since the dominant countries of the international community are not even sure what the court will say, they do not want any added complications for their already existing strategy of putting pressure on Serbia. In this way, it is easiest for the international community ro have Serbia recognize Kosovo’s independence in some way, and it should be expected that this year, the pressure will be very sharp, whether it relates to conditioning entrance into the EU with Kosovo, or conflicts regarding NATO membership or the status of the Republic of Srpska,” Fatić said.

-- Well good luck trying to get that to happen. If international pressure to get Serbia to recognize has failed to produce anything in the first two years, every subsequent year will probably show a weaker and weaker initiative. Pressuring Serbia to accept Kosovo's loss, after it said it would never recognize, will only strain relations between Belgrade and the West - a relationship that the West is keen on cultivating as the rest of the Balkans are integrated into the EU. Serbian integration is far more important than "solving" the Kosovo crisis, and depending on how ambiguous the ICJ ruling is, the most likely solution is accepting the internal administrative partition of Kosovo, which has no hope of ever becoming a self-sustaining country on its own. I'm with Janjic on this one

“There needs to be serious discussions on the partition of Kosovo, because we are behind the Kosovo Albanians, since they have already started the project for the reintegration of northern Kosovo, and we have not decided yet if we want to separate northern Kosovo,” Fatić said, adding that Belgrade’s policies are very indecisive in relation to Kosovo.

-- First, I really doubt Pristina's sincerity in "integrating" the north. I really have to believe this is more for show than anything else as they don't have the slightest foothold in the north and no international body is all that interested in rocking the boat up there. If Kosovo's stability means the de jure loss of the north, then so be it. But at the same time, there have been no signs from Belgrade on any attempts at "reintegrating" the Albanian sectors of Kosovo. When was the last time anyone heard Belgrade say anything about Prizren or Djakovica? The "partition" of Kosovo already took place the minute Pristina declared independence in February 2008 as the ethnic majority municipalities retain control over their own affairs. If anything, Belgrade and Pristina will have to accept a municipality by municipality division, with the Albanians taking the lion's share of the spoils.

EA

pre 14 godina

Whatever the deliberations of ICJ could be it will not change anything in its substance. There will be no return of Kosovo/a to Serbia. That is the bottom line. Serbia has never had any intention to respect the Court's Opinion. We all know that because it has been declared by the Serbia's official that "we will never recognise Kosovo/a's independece". The application to ICJ was made purely to put further recognitions of Kosovo/a's independence on hold. On that ground Serbia has succeeded.

BOPA

pre 14 godina

“There needs to be serious discussions on the partition of Kosovo, because we are behind the Kosovo Albanians, since they have already started the project for the reintegration of northern Kosovo, and we have not decided yet if we want to separate northern Kosovo,” Fatić said, adding that Belgrade’s policies are very indecisive in relation to Kosovo


And risk regional war? You think it will stop there, what about Republika Srpska, Preseva valley or half of FYROM?

Peggy

pre 14 godina

The question put to the court was very precise and the answer should not depend on whether Mladic is found or not or whether Serbia can be persuaded to recognise Kosovo or not.

UDI was either legal or illegal.
So if Serbia gets enough pressure and recognised Kosovo in some way, the law will automatically change and the verdict will be that the UDI was legal?

An opinion on a legal matter only depends on what the law says and nothing else, so why are they waiting for circumstances to change?

FairPlay

pre 14 godina

"We have not decided whether we want to separate northern Kosovo". This man can't be serious. There is no such option on the table and he knows it. Serbia can either accept all of Kosovo or refuse to accept all of Kosovo but partitioning regions based on ethnicity is extremely dangerous and would lead the entire Balkans (the entire world even) into a state of long-term conflict and instability. It seems to me that the Milosevic-era policies of using ethnic Serbs as pawns in Serbia's foreign policy has stayed exactly the same as it was in the 90s. Belgrade tells them to jump and they jump regardless of the consequences to their own well being (we saw this happen in Croatia, BiH, and Kosovo in the 90s and it is still continuing in BiH and Kosovo today).

BOPA

pre 14 godina

“There needs to be serious discussions on the partition of Kosovo, because we are behind the Kosovo Albanians, since they have already started the project for the reintegration of northern Kosovo, and we have not decided yet if we want to separate northern Kosovo,” Fatić said, adding that Belgrade’s policies are very indecisive in relation to Kosovo


And risk regional war? You think it will stop there, what about Republika Srpska, Preseva valley or half of FYROM?

EA

pre 14 godina

Whatever the deliberations of ICJ could be it will not change anything in its substance. There will be no return of Kosovo/a to Serbia. That is the bottom line. Serbia has never had any intention to respect the Court's Opinion. We all know that because it has been declared by the Serbia's official that "we will never recognise Kosovo/a's independece". The application to ICJ was made purely to put further recognitions of Kosovo/a's independence on hold. On that ground Serbia has succeeded.

dean SRB

pre 14 godina

Man can read and understand this news only on two possible ways:

- either this news is somebodies big time nonsense and lie because there cannot be possible connection for ICJ in between Mladić and "Kosovo question"

- or if it may be truthful, then it disperses any, even slightest, chance for impartiality and independence of that "court".

I would rather believe in option one though I do not have much of illusion in impartiality of that institution.
Statement of their official that "a date for the decision is not known and that all reports on a known date are pure speculation" is also greatly unconvincing because initially suggested and expected time for "decision" is clearly approaching and every delay implies on political pressure and non-independent politicization of the case.

FairPlay

pre 14 godina

"We have not decided whether we want to separate northern Kosovo". This man can't be serious. There is no such option on the table and he knows it. Serbia can either accept all of Kosovo or refuse to accept all of Kosovo but partitioning regions based on ethnicity is extremely dangerous and would lead the entire Balkans (the entire world even) into a state of long-term conflict and instability. It seems to me that the Milosevic-era policies of using ethnic Serbs as pawns in Serbia's foreign policy has stayed exactly the same as it was in the 90s. Belgrade tells them to jump and they jump regardless of the consequences to their own well being (we saw this happen in Croatia, BiH, and Kosovo in the 90s and it is still continuing in BiH and Kosovo today).

Mike

pre 14 godina

"[Politika's] sources say that the decision will be postponed to a later date because the international community expects Serbia to arrested and extradite war crimes fugitive Ratko Mladić first."

-- I fail to see how to two are related. Serbia's EU integration is contingent on finding Mladic, not accepting Kosovo's loss. Aside from Holbrooke and Ahtisaari, no one is even thinking of making Serbia recognize Kosovo so long as 5 EU members do not and will not.

“Since the dominant countries of the international community are not even sure what the court will say, they do not want any added complications for their already existing strategy of putting pressure on Serbia. In this way, it is easiest for the international community ro have Serbia recognize Kosovo’s independence in some way, and it should be expected that this year, the pressure will be very sharp, whether it relates to conditioning entrance into the EU with Kosovo, or conflicts regarding NATO membership or the status of the Republic of Srpska,” Fatić said.

-- Well good luck trying to get that to happen. If international pressure to get Serbia to recognize has failed to produce anything in the first two years, every subsequent year will probably show a weaker and weaker initiative. Pressuring Serbia to accept Kosovo's loss, after it said it would never recognize, will only strain relations between Belgrade and the West - a relationship that the West is keen on cultivating as the rest of the Balkans are integrated into the EU. Serbian integration is far more important than "solving" the Kosovo crisis, and depending on how ambiguous the ICJ ruling is, the most likely solution is accepting the internal administrative partition of Kosovo, which has no hope of ever becoming a self-sustaining country on its own. I'm with Janjic on this one

“There needs to be serious discussions on the partition of Kosovo, because we are behind the Kosovo Albanians, since they have already started the project for the reintegration of northern Kosovo, and we have not decided yet if we want to separate northern Kosovo,” Fatić said, adding that Belgrade’s policies are very indecisive in relation to Kosovo.

-- First, I really doubt Pristina's sincerity in "integrating" the north. I really have to believe this is more for show than anything else as they don't have the slightest foothold in the north and no international body is all that interested in rocking the boat up there. If Kosovo's stability means the de jure loss of the north, then so be it. But at the same time, there have been no signs from Belgrade on any attempts at "reintegrating" the Albanian sectors of Kosovo. When was the last time anyone heard Belgrade say anything about Prizren or Djakovica? The "partition" of Kosovo already took place the minute Pristina declared independence in February 2008 as the ethnic majority municipalities retain control over their own affairs. If anything, Belgrade and Pristina will have to accept a municipality by municipality division, with the Albanians taking the lion's share of the spoils.

Peggy

pre 14 godina

The question put to the court was very precise and the answer should not depend on whether Mladic is found or not or whether Serbia can be persuaded to recognise Kosovo or not.

UDI was either legal or illegal.
So if Serbia gets enough pressure and recognised Kosovo in some way, the law will automatically change and the verdict will be that the UDI was legal?

An opinion on a legal matter only depends on what the law says and nothing else, so why are they waiting for circumstances to change?