Islamic community wants “genocide” in resolution

He should recognise the real genocide, that of Serbs and Jews by the Nazi Muslims and Croats!!!!

Genocide?? Has he got confused with what the Turks did to the Armenians?? or the Croats did to the Serbs?? This guy has lost the plot. People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

I suggest the chief mufti gets his dictionary out and checks the definition of genocide.

ok, then don´t accept it.

good you let us know in advance.

but i thought the self-declared mufti stopped the adventures of calling "press-conferences" ...?

it´s rather funny when just family-members attend ...

“...If one letter of the word genocide is taken out of the declaration, I will not accept that declaration. Let them know this ahead of time,” Zukorlić said..."

Apart of that as per being just religious leader you should not be involving yourself in political matters otherwise you may get yourself under the scrutiny of police watch as the possible element of radical Muslim activities or if you maybe do not like Serbia's secular state idea then you can move to the variety of fundamentalistic states further East.

Strange comment. Glass houses? I wasn't aware that the mufti had previously been a member of either the Young Turk regime during WWI or the Ustasha puppet regime during WWII. I guess everyone who is not a Serb - hang on, he is - everyone who is not a Serb Orthodox in the world lives in the same "other house" as opposed to the house of pure serbdom.
(DimTuc, 28 March 2010 17:24)
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I really don't think that he would describe himself as a Serb. Are you saying that all the Albanians living in Serbia are also Serbs?

Also, he should pick up a dictionary and look up the word gonocide to see what it's meaning is.
This word has been thrown around so freely but everything has has happened to the Serbs including Jasenovac has not been described as that. Why not?

When we stop having double standards we will be able to respect each other a bit better, until then I suggest you all pick up a dictionary.

When UN and Haag lift a ban on a pictures of atrocities done by his mujahedins-we can talk about genocide.Till then he shoul worry more about vahabis controling Sarajevo..

Genocide, well what about the genocide of the American Indians?. Genocide does not mean killing thousands it means the near extermination of an entire race.

He expects the words "genocide" to be written on it or he won't accept it, but fails to accept that anyone with an understanding of the definition of genocide doesn't accept that what happened at Srebrenica was NOT genocide, but a WAR CRIME.

I wonder why he is not equally energetic about charging someone with real genocide, like the Turks.

How can this be classed as genocide. If all the women and children had been killed as well then it would have been genocide.

Why do muslims always insist on mixing religion and politics?

I suggest the chief mufti gets his dictionary out and checks the definition of genocide.
(Jack, 28 March 2010 10:38)

I couldnt agree more. The word genocide is being thrown around like a political football by all sides that in the end it comes meaningless.

Re dictionaries: no, you lot ought to pick one up. Srebrenica, and not just Srebrenica but Serbia's and Karadzic's whole east Bosnia campaign from 1992 onwards, was genmocide according to any dictionary definition.
(DimTuc)
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LOL, no it's not.

Strange comment. Glass houses? I wasn't aware that the mufti had previously been a member of either the Young Turk regime during WWI or the Ustasha puppet regime during WWII. I guess everyone who is not a Serb - hang on, he is - everyone who is not a Serb Orthodox in the world lives in the same "other house" as opposed to the house of pure serbdom.
(DimTuc, 28 March 2010 17:24)

Its easy to pick on people who may not have you level of comprehension but does not excuse your gross mis-statements of so called Genocide in Bosnia and Herzegovina.

If Serbia is guilty of Genocide in Srebrinica, than Croats are guilty of Genocide in Krajina, Sibenik, Osijek. The so called "Bosniaks" in Sarejevo,(Where no Serbs remain Tuzla and including Srebrinica where the surrounding Serb villages were massacred, men , women and children.

In the former Yugsolavia, massacres occured against, Serbs, Muslims, and Croats. the JNA does not equate to Serbs, the first massacres occured against JNA recruits who were Slovenian by nationality.

Yugoslavia was destroyed because of the evil intents of a few national tyrants who ended up destroying the country of Yugoslavia while at the same time deceiving the world and Yugoslavs at the same time.

Need it be reminded again the Yugoslav federation was one of the most tolerant of all nationalities even affording new nationalities that do not even exist in the world, the so called "Muslim" and now "Bosniak" nationality who are either Serbs or Croats that were converted to Islam.

The only strange comments are coming out of your keyboard.

How can this be classed as genocide. If all the women and children had been killed as well then it would have been genocide.
(Radoslav, 28 March 2010 22:34)
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Exactly. How about we classify Medak pocket as genocide as well. At least we have all the boxes ticked when it comes to meaning of genocice. Women, children and even their animals were slaughtered.

What will this resolution accomplish besides creating more division amongst ourselves?

Don't you people see that genetically speaking we are re-uniting and the purpose behind these so-called "resolutions" is to prolong the path to peace and stability.

The people from all sides want this over with, put aside and left in the past. We all have lives to live, and we can only do this by burying the "hate" that was injected into our systems. Good day to everyone :)

What Bosnian Serbs did in Bosnia to Muslims is called ethnic cleansing and crime against humanity. Same thing happened to Serbs in Croatia, they have been ethnically cleansed by Croats. Same happened to Albanians in Kosovo.

No genocide happened in Balkan wars from 1991-1999. The Americans were pushing word genocide in order to persuade international community to strike against Serbs.

How is possible that what happened to Serbs in second world is not genocide but what happens to Muslims is genocide. Currently two cases in the world are considered as real genocides:

1. Genocide on Armenians in 1st world war

2. Genocide on Jews in 2nd world war

They are few more like what happened to Serbs in NDH in second world war and Ruanda.

All other are crimes against humanity including Srebrenica.

I find it funny how Bosnia wont agree to a population census to find out who is missing and where people have gone to live but we keep hearing 8000 people were killed, that number still to be confirmed but the Bosnian government (puppet state) won't allow a population census what dose this tell you ?

I lived in Australia in the early to mid 90's and the amount of Bosnian refugees were staggering especially from Srebrenica and central Bosnia.

Look at the Australian census web site for confirmation.

People like Karadzic and Mladic who where involved in many crimes act on civilians (women and children), in Serbia they are heros.

People like Cedomir Jovanovic who sees and accepts everything that is real and speaks for a good of a nation, in Serbia he is a traitor!

We are all being controlled into believing what we have been conditioned to beleive in from birth. Take this as note, and concider this thought. Good day

"Genocide is the deliberate and systematic destruction, in whole or in part, of an ethnic, racial, religious, or national group".

Without a doubt the Serbian actions in Srbrenica were part of a deliberate and systematic attempt to destroy the non-serbs in Bosnia. Targeting civilians was deliberate and intended to kill and expell them en masse. Civilians were not simply killed by careless war actions but by well planned and organized plans of extermination perpetrated by SRS army, with a clear goal and strategy, which does make this event clearly a Genocide.

What the Serbs did in Eastern Bosnia was genocide and that fact should be acknowledged. Serbia can try to live in denial but the crimes that were committed in their name and the stain of genocide will never go away. It is best for Serbia to state that genocide was committed and to focus on their European future then to pass a misleading resolution that will open the door the the radicals coming back to power and leading the country off the cliff.

Why do muslims always insist on mixing religion and politics?
(John)
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It has nothing to do with muslims. The players pulling the strings are responsible.

"I wonder why he is not equally energetic about charging someone with real genocide, like the Turks"

Poor old mufti, responsible for the Young Turk/Termina Ottoman genocide against the Armenians in WWI, for the Ustasha Nazi-puppet regime genocide against Serbs in WWII, for the Anglo-American colonial genocide against the native Americans over several centuries (and presumably for the genocidal slave trade as well), yes why doesn't he campaign against genocide by Turkey 100 years ago rather than by Serbia last decade. Just because he is a citizen of Serbia rather than Turkey, what a lame excuse.

Why don't you guys just quite with your excuses?

Why do muslims always insist on mixing religion and politics?
(John, 29 March 2010 08:59)

It's not mixing anything, it's simply genocide!

"Genocide, well what about the genocide of the American Indians?"

Right, so now the mufti, and I gues the Bosniaks, were also responsible for genocide against the American Indians.

Re dictionaries: no, you lot ought to pick one up. Srebrenica, and not just Srebrenica but Serbia's and Karadzic's whole east Bosnia campaign from 1992 onwards, was genmocide according to any dictionary definition.

Response to Radoslav:

The ICTY and ICJ know very well the legal definition of genocide and they have unanimously decided that the crime that was committed in Srebrenica was genocide and this conclusion has been accepted by scholars and governments all over the world. I see little sense in laypeople coming up with their own definitions of genocide when that job should be left up to the experts of forensics and international law. Genocide took place in Srebrenica and that should clearly be stated in any resolution adopted by the Serbian parliament.

Both the ICTY and the ICJ are highly politicised courts. Not everything they decide represent real pictures of what happened.

Much worst things has happened to Serbs in NDH during second world war and nobody called it genocide apart from Serbs.

Without doubt crime has happened and I am not dennying that.

From Wikipedia "The ECHR also noted that in the 21 century "Amongst scholars, the majority have taken the view that ethnic cleansing, in the way in which it was carried out by the Serb forces in Bosnia and Herzegovina in order to expel Muslims and Croats from their homes, did not constitute genocide. However, there are also a considerable number of scholars who have suggested that these acts did amount to genocide"[47]"

Response to Brando:

Here is the ICTY ruling regarding the Srebrenica Genocide

"By seeking to eliminate a part of the Bosnian Muslims, the Bosnian Serb forces committed genocide. They targeted for extinction the 40,000 Bosnian Muslims living in Srebrenica, a group which was emblematic of the Bosnian Muslims in general. They stripped all the male Muslim prisoners, military and civilian, elderly and young, of their personal belongings and identification, and deliberately and methodically killed them solely on the basis of their identity"

The ruling clearly states that the Bosnian Serb army committed genocide against the Bosnian civilians living in Srebrenica. Both the ICTY and the ICJ have come to that conclusion based on detailed investigations lasting many years and involving hundreds of experts. This conclusion has been accepted by the EU, the US, and almost all countries in the Balkans and now it is time for Serbia to come to terms with the genocide.

I suppose that everything should be how Americans decides. One American guy at University told me that in order for Serbia and US to normalize their relationship, they should apologies to each other. I asked him why Serbia should apologies to US? He did not know. I suppose he taught that we attacked US.

Nobody wants to accept that it has committed genocide. The Americans should ask their friends Turks to accept that they have committed genocide against Armenians. Why not genocide is genocide, does not matter if it happened nearly 100 years ago.

ICTY is highly politicized institution. It was made in order convict Serbs. Its record says everything.

"Genocide?? Has he got confused with what the Turks did to the Armenians?? or the Croats did to the Serbs?? This guy has lost the plot. People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.
(dingdong, 28 March 2010 11:12)"

Strange comment. Glass houses? I wasn't aware that the mufti had previously been a member of either the Young Turk regime during WWI or the Ustasha puppet regime during WWII. I guess everyone who is not a Serb - hang on, he is - everyone who is not a Serb Orthodox in the world lives in the same "other house" as opposed to the house of pure serbdom.

Probably, most people are not overly concerned about the subtly of phrase between 'genocide' and 'murder' - their aims are not political or even religious; they feel the grief in their hearts and are revolted at the horror that was endured.

As with many of these statements about 'communities', it probably is not true - 'community' is actually the label that should be attached to a few voluble and self appointed spokesmen. Often their statements are not from the 'community' but are more about reinforcing factional divisions.

What does the word genocide add to nasty murder? The fact of the resolution should be valued - and not used as a way of furthering division.

If the term community is to be used at all, use it to describe the community of all the people - not the community of a faction.

Whenever the Serbian nationalists don't like something they'll say "it's highly politicized". In other words no court ruling against them can ever be accepted regardless of the facts. It is not surprising that the perpetrator of a crime would question the legitimacy of a court to get himself off the hook but given the severity of the crimes in question it is a very craven and unethical approach that is damaging Serbia's already battered image. The Serbians should spend less time trying to come up with excuses for the genocide that was committed and should instead condemn it, apologize for it, and promise to never let the Serb fascist policies that led to it lead to another genocide. Serbia needs to know that for ever action there can be an equal and opposite reaction. If the Serbs don't condemn genocides committed in their name they will prevent the normalization of relations thereby opening the door for further violence in the region.

"Genocide, well what about the genocide of the American Indians?"

Right, so now the mufti, and I gues the Bosniaks, were also responsible for genocide against the American Indians.

Re dictionaries: no, you lot ought to pick one up. Srebrenica, and not just Srebrenica but Serbia's and Karadzic's whole east Bosnia campaign from 1992 onwards, was genmocide according to any dictionary definition.

"Genocide?? Has he got confused with what the Turks did to the Armenians?? or the Croats did to the Serbs?? This guy has lost the plot. People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.
(dingdong, 28 March 2010 11:12)"

Strange comment. Glass houses? I wasn't aware that the mufti had previously been a member of either the Young Turk regime during WWI or the Ustasha puppet regime during WWII. I guess everyone who is not a Serb - hang on, he is - everyone who is not a Serb Orthodox in the world lives in the same "other house" as opposed to the house of pure serbdom.

Response to Radoslav:

The ICTY and ICJ know very well the legal definition of genocide and they have unanimously decided that the crime that was committed in Srebrenica was genocide and this conclusion has been accepted by scholars and governments all over the world. I see little sense in laypeople coming up with their own definitions of genocide when that job should be left up to the experts of forensics and international law. Genocide took place in Srebrenica and that should clearly be stated in any resolution adopted by the Serbian parliament.

"Genocide is the deliberate and systematic destruction, in whole or in part, of an ethnic, racial, religious, or national group".

Without a doubt the Serbian actions in Srbrenica were part of a deliberate and systematic attempt to destroy the non-serbs in Bosnia. Targeting civilians was deliberate and intended to kill and expell them en masse. Civilians were not simply killed by careless war actions but by well planned and organized plans of extermination perpetrated by SRS army, with a clear goal and strategy, which does make this event clearly a Genocide.

What the Serbs did in Eastern Bosnia was genocide and that fact should be acknowledged. Serbia can try to live in denial but the crimes that were committed in their name and the stain of genocide will never go away. It is best for Serbia to state that genocide was committed and to focus on their European future then to pass a misleading resolution that will open the door the the radicals coming back to power and leading the country off the cliff.

Why do muslims always insist on mixing religion and politics?
(John, 29 March 2010 08:59)

It's not mixing anything, it's simply genocide!

"I wonder why he is not equally energetic about charging someone with real genocide, like the Turks"

Poor old mufti, responsible for the Young Turk/Termina Ottoman genocide against the Armenians in WWI, for the Ustasha Nazi-puppet regime genocide against Serbs in WWII, for the Anglo-American colonial genocide against the native Americans over several centuries (and presumably for the genocidal slave trade as well), yes why doesn't he campaign against genocide by Turkey 100 years ago rather than by Serbia last decade. Just because he is a citizen of Serbia rather than Turkey, what a lame excuse.

Why don't you guys just quite with your excuses?

People like Karadzic and Mladic who where involved in many crimes act on civilians (women and children), in Serbia they are heros.

People like Cedomir Jovanovic who sees and accepts everything that is real and speaks for a good of a nation, in Serbia he is a traitor!

Response to Brando:

Here is the ICTY ruling regarding the Srebrenica Genocide

"By seeking to eliminate a part of the Bosnian Muslims, the Bosnian Serb forces committed genocide. They targeted for extinction the 40,000 Bosnian Muslims living in Srebrenica, a group which was emblematic of the Bosnian Muslims in general. They stripped all the male Muslim prisoners, military and civilian, elderly and young, of their personal belongings and identification, and deliberately and methodically killed them solely on the basis of their identity"

The ruling clearly states that the Bosnian Serb army committed genocide against the Bosnian civilians living in Srebrenica. Both the ICTY and the ICJ have come to that conclusion based on detailed investigations lasting many years and involving hundreds of experts. This conclusion has been accepted by the EU, the US, and almost all countries in the Balkans and now it is time for Serbia to come to terms with the genocide.

Genocide?? Has he got confused with what the Turks did to the Armenians?? or the Croats did to the Serbs?? This guy has lost the plot. People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

I suggest the chief mufti gets his dictionary out and checks the definition of genocide.

ok, then don´t accept it.

good you let us know in advance.

but i thought the self-declared mufti stopped the adventures of calling "press-conferences" ...?

it´s rather funny when just family-members attend ...

“...If one letter of the word genocide is taken out of the declaration, I will not accept that declaration. Let them know this ahead of time,” Zukorlić said..."

Apart of that as per being just religious leader you should not be involving yourself in political matters otherwise you may get yourself under the scrutiny of police watch as the possible element of radical Muslim activities or if you maybe do not like Serbia's secular state idea then you can move to the variety of fundamentalistic states further East.

He should recognise the real genocide, that of Serbs and Jews by the Nazi Muslims and Croats!!!!

Whenever the Serbian nationalists don't like something they'll say "it's highly politicized". In other words no court ruling against them can ever be accepted regardless of the facts. It is not surprising that the perpetrator of a crime would question the legitimacy of a court to get himself off the hook but given the severity of the crimes in question it is a very craven and unethical approach that is damaging Serbia's already battered image. The Serbians should spend less time trying to come up with excuses for the genocide that was committed and should instead condemn it, apologize for it, and promise to never let the Serb fascist policies that led to it lead to another genocide. Serbia needs to know that for ever action there can be an equal and opposite reaction. If the Serbs don't condemn genocides committed in their name they will prevent the normalization of relations thereby opening the door for further violence in the region.

When UN and Haag lift a ban on a pictures of atrocities done by his mujahedins-we can talk about genocide.Till then he shoul worry more about vahabis controling Sarajevo..

I suggest the chief mufti gets his dictionary out and checks the definition of genocide.
(Jack, 28 March 2010 10:38)

I couldnt agree more. The word genocide is being thrown around like a political football by all sides that in the end it comes meaningless.

Strange comment. Glass houses? I wasn't aware that the mufti had previously been a member of either the Young Turk regime during WWI or the Ustasha puppet regime during WWII. I guess everyone who is not a Serb - hang on, he is - everyone who is not a Serb Orthodox in the world lives in the same "other house" as opposed to the house of pure serbdom.
(DimTuc, 28 March 2010 17:24)
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I really don't think that he would describe himself as a Serb. Are you saying that all the Albanians living in Serbia are also Serbs?

Also, he should pick up a dictionary and look up the word gonocide to see what it's meaning is.
This word has been thrown around so freely but everything has has happened to the Serbs including Jasenovac has not been described as that. Why not?

When we stop having double standards we will be able to respect each other a bit better, until then I suggest you all pick up a dictionary.

How can this be classed as genocide. If all the women and children had been killed as well then it would have been genocide.

Why do muslims always insist on mixing religion and politics?

He expects the words "genocide" to be written on it or he won't accept it, but fails to accept that anyone with an understanding of the definition of genocide doesn't accept that what happened at Srebrenica was NOT genocide, but a WAR CRIME.

I wonder why he is not equally energetic about charging someone with real genocide, like the Turks.

Re dictionaries: no, you lot ought to pick one up. Srebrenica, and not just Srebrenica but Serbia's and Karadzic's whole east Bosnia campaign from 1992 onwards, was genmocide according to any dictionary definition.
(DimTuc)
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LOL, no it's not.

Strange comment. Glass houses? I wasn't aware that the mufti had previously been a member of either the Young Turk regime during WWI or the Ustasha puppet regime during WWII. I guess everyone who is not a Serb - hang on, he is - everyone who is not a Serb Orthodox in the world lives in the same "other house" as opposed to the house of pure serbdom.
(DimTuc, 28 March 2010 17:24)

Its easy to pick on people who may not have you level of comprehension but does not excuse your gross mis-statements of so called Genocide in Bosnia and Herzegovina.

If Serbia is guilty of Genocide in Srebrinica, than Croats are guilty of Genocide in Krajina, Sibenik, Osijek. The so called "Bosniaks" in Sarejevo,(Where no Serbs remain Tuzla and including Srebrinica where the surrounding Serb villages were massacred, men , women and children.

In the former Yugsolavia, massacres occured against, Serbs, Muslims, and Croats. the JNA does not equate to Serbs, the first massacres occured against JNA recruits who were Slovenian by nationality.

Yugoslavia was destroyed because of the evil intents of a few national tyrants who ended up destroying the country of Yugoslavia while at the same time deceiving the world and Yugoslavs at the same time.

Need it be reminded again the Yugoslav federation was one of the most tolerant of all nationalities even affording new nationalities that do not even exist in the world, the so called "Muslim" and now "Bosniak" nationality who are either Serbs or Croats that were converted to Islam.

The only strange comments are coming out of your keyboard.

What will this resolution accomplish besides creating more division amongst ourselves?

Don't you people see that genetically speaking we are re-uniting and the purpose behind these so-called "resolutions" is to prolong the path to peace and stability.

The people from all sides want this over with, put aside and left in the past. We all have lives to live, and we can only do this by burying the "hate" that was injected into our systems. Good day to everyone :)

Genocide, well what about the genocide of the American Indians?. Genocide does not mean killing thousands it means the near extermination of an entire race.

How can this be classed as genocide. If all the women and children had been killed as well then it would have been genocide.
(Radoslav, 28 March 2010 22:34)
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Exactly. How about we classify Medak pocket as genocide as well. At least we have all the boxes ticked when it comes to meaning of genocice. Women, children and even their animals were slaughtered.

I find it funny how Bosnia wont agree to a population census to find out who is missing and where people have gone to live but we keep hearing 8000 people were killed, that number still to be confirmed but the Bosnian government (puppet state) won't allow a population census what dose this tell you ?

I lived in Australia in the early to mid 90's and the amount of Bosnian refugees were staggering especially from Srebrenica and central Bosnia.

Look at the Australian census web site for confirmation.

Probably, most people are not overly concerned about the subtly of phrase between 'genocide' and 'murder' - their aims are not political or even religious; they feel the grief in their hearts and are revolted at the horror that was endured.

As with many of these statements about 'communities', it probably is not true - 'community' is actually the label that should be attached to a few voluble and self appointed spokesmen. Often their statements are not from the 'community' but are more about reinforcing factional divisions.

What does the word genocide add to nasty murder? The fact of the resolution should be valued - and not used as a way of furthering division.

If the term community is to be used at all, use it to describe the community of all the people - not the community of a faction.

Why do muslims always insist on mixing religion and politics?
(John)
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It has nothing to do with muslims. The players pulling the strings are responsible.

I suppose that everything should be how Americans decides. One American guy at University told me that in order for Serbia and US to normalize their relationship, they should apologies to each other. I asked him why Serbia should apologies to US? He did not know. I suppose he taught that we attacked US.

Nobody wants to accept that it has committed genocide. The Americans should ask their friends Turks to accept that they have committed genocide against Armenians. Why not genocide is genocide, does not matter if it happened nearly 100 years ago.

ICTY is highly politicized institution. It was made in order convict Serbs. Its record says everything.

We are all being controlled into believing what we have been conditioned to beleive in from birth. Take this as note, and concider this thought. Good day

What Bosnian Serbs did in Bosnia to Muslims is called ethnic cleansing and crime against humanity. Same thing happened to Serbs in Croatia, they have been ethnically cleansed by Croats. Same happened to Albanians in Kosovo.

No genocide happened in Balkan wars from 1991-1999. The Americans were pushing word genocide in order to persuade international community to strike against Serbs.

How is possible that what happened to Serbs in second world is not genocide but what happens to Muslims is genocide. Currently two cases in the world are considered as real genocides:

1. Genocide on Armenians in 1st world war

2. Genocide on Jews in 2nd world war

They are few more like what happened to Serbs in NDH in second world war and Ruanda.

All other are crimes against humanity including Srebrenica.

Both the ICTY and the ICJ are highly politicised courts. Not everything they decide represent real pictures of what happened.

Much worst things has happened to Serbs in NDH during second world war and nobody called it genocide apart from Serbs.

Without doubt crime has happened and I am not dennying that.

From Wikipedia "The ECHR also noted that in the 21 century "Amongst scholars, the majority have taken the view that ethnic cleansing, in the way in which it was carried out by the Serb forces in Bosnia and Herzegovina in order to expel Muslims and Croats from their homes, did not constitute genocide. However, there are also a considerable number of scholars who have suggested that these acts did amount to genocide"[47]"