I wonder what were his expectations?
(MJ, 22 March 2010 02:10)
That Thaci would be represented as Pm of Kosovo/UNMIK.
Sorry to dissapoint you Vuk.
Now jump back on the plane and off to Venezuela or some other far flung country to thank them for not supporting Kosova's independence.
I can't agree more on that. The Albanian llokum factory of Prizren beats the heck out of Serbian "Takovo" which is near Gornji Milanovac. Kosova is one of the leaders in the Balkans - if it is about llokum.
(Ataman, 21 March 2010 )
Sorry to burst your bubble Ataman but the best llokume are made in Elbasan, Central Albania. Not factory made but homemade. If you're ever in the city try some.
You Betcha! But, they've learned better than all of ya from their mistakes. Lookey here: They've said their sorries, made peace and moved right along, and then went on to fight for truth, justice, international law and democracy. Now that's something! Aain'it? Not to mention cleaning house every day and catching them war criminals.
Long live Democracy!
(Don't mess with Texas!, ""
Sorry, but their victims haven't heard their whispers of 'sorry'.
Are You happy of this "leadership"???? ;)
(Milan
In the same exact way Serbs are happy with their puppet leadership..:)
Kosova as the new lider in the Balkans is more important than Serbia.The conference itself tells you that.Serbia was isolated.
(BLERO, 21 March 2010 15:56)
"Leader" of what?? The smallest GDP per person?? The biggest unemployment rate?? The biggest budget debt (20% of pseudoindependent Kosovo budget is financed by EU!! But EU want to stop this nonsense). Or mayby is "leader" becouse is only Balkan territory ruled direrctly from Brussels ;)
The mask is finally being lifted and the world is starting to see Serbia for what it really is, the biggest source of instability in the Balkans and Europe. Jeremic has made it clear that Serbia prioritizes destabilizing Kosovo and BiH over its future in the EU just as it did during the Milosevic era. Finally we see that Tadic and Jeremic were simply trying to dupe Europe into thinking that Serbia had turned a corner but this has now been revealed to have been a deception. Serbia is doing today all the same things it did under Milosevic except for using violence. It is using the Kosovo Serbs and Bosnian Serbs as pawns in their game of increasing their power by destabilizing their neighbors. Given this blatant meddling in their neighbors affairs and their continued hiding of the war criminal Mladic Serbia's EU future is looking very bleak. Serbia's economy is weak, it's politics is volatile, and the EU and US are starting to realize that the softy approach towards Belgrade does not produce results it only rewards political actors for pretending to be trying to force change on Serbia while in fact they keep all the destructive foreign policies the same.
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The only thing serbia has managed to do is to show they havent changed a bit.
(AdamNYC)
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How do you figure this? Any support for your claim, or is this just another emotional action made on your poor keyboard? ... :)
By wrecking the Brdo summit, Mr Tadic won a battle, but he cannot win the war. Smarting from its humiliation, Slovenia’s government may choose to take revenge by slowing the EU’s integration process with Serbia. Later this year, a major EU-Balkans summit is planned in Sarajevo, and the EU is increasing pressure on the states of the region to improve their mutual relations. If Serbia stays away again, the consequences could be grave. Many powerful voices in the EU, including Germany’s ruling Christian Democrats, want to see a long pause in enlargement for “digestion” once the EU takes in Iceland and Croatia, possibly in 2012. They won't mind a bit if Mr Tadic insists on putting Kosovo before Europe. If that happens, Serbia, which long ago lost Kosovo, may lose the EU.
Krasniq't, good advice from me .. write yourself, do not copy the articles from other newspapers (newsnow) for example.
I am trying to remember what was posted here, few days ago:
Kosovo will be represented as Kosovo UNMIK and no other way. They will choose Serbia, they have more interest to respect the law etc etc.
Today, we know what happened. Kosova was represented as state there.
Yeah, since Serbia did not attend, meeting did not meet exceptations if Serbia would be there, exceptations would have been meet.
I call this stupid.
You can not lead, if you are not ready to solve.
Serbia has no right to claim leading role, having in consideration all wars in ex Yugoslavia in Serbias "quit" involvment. To have Serbia as a leader, it is not safe.
Therefore, new leader in this part of Balkans, will be identified / recognised very soon.
About criminal activities, I would say, you are somehow right, north Mitrovica is hosting most of these criminal activities. And I believe you can guess quit well who stays behind.
And I would say, this is why Serbia wants to keep the situation in west Mitrovica on the way it is now (heaven for criminal activities) and also, I see very clear why Serbia is not willing to attend similar meetings, they might have to really commit in preventing criminal activities, and this is not accepteable by many politicians in Serbia as they have big interest in these activities.
No one cuts hands thay get food from...
So, this is the solution: Kosovo will attend wherever it's needed and Serbia can decide not to attend because of the way Kosovo is represented. I wish this would happen as often as possible. Somehow I enjoy it too much... hahhahaa...
I think a different response should have been made by Serbia, in order to be considered seriously. They should have said: We represent Kosovo and no one else. Kosovo is our province ad as such, we decide who is going to represent them. They should not have separate invitation.
BUT (yeah, big BUT), Tadis and Co are smart enough to see the reality. Therefore, they dont say it on abopve mentioned "frame" but they say, they should be represented as Kosovo UNMIK. And, what would this change, still NOT part of Serbia.
Think, why Vojvodina was not invited?!!!
Tell me, why Vojvodina has the ineterest to be represented by Serbia, when, as we can see, Serbia decides on their own when and where will they be?
Isn't this one of the reasons why all ex-YU republics and why Kosovo wanted out from this so called "togetherl living"?!!!
I think yes, because no one, and I repeat NO ONE represents you on the way you would represent your self.
By wrecking the Brdo summit, Mr Tadic won a battle, but he cannot win the war. Smarting from its humiliation, Slovenia’s government may choose to take revenge by slowing the EU’s integration process with Serbia. Later this year, a major EU-Balkans summit is planned in Sarajevo, and the EU is increasing pressure on the states of the region to improve their mutual relations. If Serbia stays away again, the consequences could be grave. Many powerful voices in the EU, including Germany’s ruling Christian Democrats, want to see a long pause in enlargement for “digestion” once the EU takes in Iceland and Croatia, possibly in 2012. They won't mind a bit if Mr Tadic insists on putting Kosovo before Europe. If that happens, Serbia, which long ago lost Kosovo, may lose the EU.
The only thing serbia has managed to do is to show they havent changed a bit.
(AdamNYC, 22 March 2010 02:09)
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Absolutely, we are not going to change our position on Kosovo now or ever.
Mr. Jeremic no one expects a positive statement as from you or from someone else Serb politician on Berdo meeting (we know it) .. But what feels really good is that Kosovo has made significant progress . Kosova will be the Middle East Israel very soon, just accept.
Both would be better suited keeping their mouths shut and talking more about what they can do to make Kosovo more liveable instead of antagonizing their neighbors.
(American Eagle, 21 March 2010 23:13)
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That's the point isn't it? They can't do anything for "Kosova" so they keep pulling their people by a string and lie to them about recognitions. That's the only false hopes they can give them.
Reading all the serbs in here makes you belive that rule of law and order was born in serbia. Serbia is representing the law for europe, yet not to long ago we remember how serbia broke every law that exists.
(gorge washington, 21 March 2010 20:04)
You Betcha! But, they've learned better than all of ya from their mistakes. Lookey here: They've said their sorries, made peace and moved right along, and then went on to fight for truth, justice, international law and democracy. Now that's something! Aain'it? Not to mention cleaning house every day and catching them war criminals.
And what the heck have you been doing lately, Mr. Washington?
"No Jeremic, it just shows that Serbia is stubborn and unchanging, for if it was otherwise then I would also say Serbia is hypocritical.
(Ptoleme)
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What kind of perspective do you have? I can understand how Serbias position on not attending really in fact hurts YOUR position.
How would Jeremic know if the conference met expectations if he wasn't there, or was he? Maybe that was Vuk dressed up like a little Bubushka serving coffee at the conference luncheon and eavesdroping while taking notes so he could be the first to report on what went on.
Why do these Albanian politicians think they are the spokesperson for everyone. Sediju thinks that he can announce that Greece, Romania, Slovakia, Cyprus, and Spain are going to recognize Kosovo as an independent country soon as does Thaci when he says that Serbia will too. Neither are politicians or citizens of the countries they think they are speaking for. Both would be better suited keeping their mouths shut and talking more about what they can do to make Kosovo more liveable instead of antagonizing their neighbors. And no...Kosovo will never be a regional leader except in criminal enterprise. Thaci showed up for the free lunch.
Kosova as the new lider in the Balkans is more important than Serbia.The conference itself tells you that.Serbia was isolated.
(BLERO, 21 March 2010 15:56)
I can't agree more on that. The Albanian llokum factory of Prizren beats the heck out of Serbian "Takovo" which is near Gornji Milanovac. Kosova is one of the leaders in the Balkans - if it is about llokum.
Wait, that conference was not about llokum? Sorry, my bad, I was thinking about things which DO matter.
Reading all the serbs in here makes you belive that rule of law and order was born in serbia. Serbia is representing the law for europe, yet not to long ago we remember how serbia broke every law that exists.
Never say never
(alproud)
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Too late... The Serbian people have said it, Jeremic has said it, leader oposing your prison camp state have said.... What are you gonna do now ? Never say , yes?
Only God knows if it was good for Serbia or not to ignore the conference. Yet there are evident things one cannot ignore :
1/ Without Serbia no important regional matters can be solved.
2/ EU & USA are too busy with their own survival problems to get involved in Balkans the way they used to do.
3/ The West has no more carrots to attract Serbia and no more cavalry attacks at Serbia are effective.
4/ Tadic group is deprived of maneuver cause it feels the hot breath of Voislav and Toma behind.
5/ The existing regional problems may have solutions only as a result of geopolitical changes plus good will. Both are missing now with big powers staying neutral. So let’s be patient cause the confrontations will shift to positional warfare.
6/ Things may change if the Albanians get tired of hiding their real faces and intentions. Then Serbs will be granted with good allies now shaking hands with the bandit. First to come to consciousness will be Montenegro.
Kosova as the new lider in the Balkans is more important than Serbia.The conference itself tells you that.Serbia was isolated.
(BLERO)
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"Kosova" as the new regional leader , LOL.. I fell off my chair laughing when I read this comment. First of all "Kosova" isnt anything,may you be referring to KosovoUNMIK? Your capital city is Belgrade, face the reality no matter how hard it may seem. Tadic is your president :)
fez said: "see, it doesnt matter if they met out expectations or not. it is the symbolism of it all that matters. on the one side we have all former yugoslav republics who try to collaborate for a better life, on the other side we have serbia, which still causes problems."
I would like to say to fez, to think about the situation.
Starting from the fact that Serbian Officials got the right to decide to participate or not to a meeting without asking for the permission to anyone, in this case they were completely right at least for two reasons: 1. even if kosovo declared (criminally) its indipendence, for the international laws it si not a country in the sense of the word. 2. Serbians only asked that kosovo was represented by officials under the name of kosovo - UNMIK (this is acceptable for everyone viewed that kosovo is not a country but a Serbian region).
Then I ask to fez to think about the fact that if Serbia alone can cause all these problems (as you said in your post) to all the other balkan countries, this means that Serbia is the more politically heavy country in the region.
I would like to inform everyone here that I am not Serbian, so it is not because of my nationality that I chose to bring the part of Belgrade, but I am not the kind of person who allow anyone to fool him with lies as the american everyday do.
HAHAHAHAHA. The snake sure knows how to ruin a party. I think the sloves did this to finally get the americanos off their backs. They can now say "We did what we could... now shove off!" This is so funny.
see, it doesnt matter if they met out expectations or not. it is the symbolism of it all that matters. on the one side we have all former yugoslav republics who try to collaborate for a better life, on the other side we have serbia, which still causes problems.
OP: jeremic looks funny, like a cipiripi :P
(fez, 21 March 2010 12:18)
on the one side we have all former yugoslav republics who try to collaborate for a better STEAL OF SERBIAN LAND, on the other side we have serbia, which still causes problems.
Jeremic's rhetorics are purely for public consuptions.
I don't know what is the Serbia's understanding of "own territory" but there would be no Serbia's prospect to EU without recognising Kosovo/a independence first. If I can put it in EUs language "have good neigbouring relations".
Serbia definitely did the proper and acceptable thing by shunning the American Rambouillet Style Slovenian set up ‘Conference’.
Unless it is unavoidable, Serbia Must Not attend any gathering where Kosovo is Not represented as a Serbian Province, or where Kosovo’s citizens are Not viewed as Serbian citizens.
The EU now fully understands its serious responsibilities before all humanity to find a way to revoke their support for Albanian criminality.
The Conference as such as it was; should have focused on how all European countries must withdraw their support for criminal actions, by withdrawing their support for Kosovo’s Independence.
The Conference was a total failure, because it did not say that the Albanians should obey the Rule of Law, by revoking their Declaration Of Independence.
To Serbia’s credit, it gave the participating countries every opportunity to work on this very serious matter unhindered by other issues.
This Conference gave the Albanians the opportunity of joining the Community of Nations by attending the Conference as UMNIK-Kosovo.
The Albanians had the opportunity to show the world that they were using their free will to renounce Criminality, because of a genuine desire to one day join the European Union.
This particular American sponsored set up ‘Conference’ was not the ideal environment for the Albanians to show their European perspectives.
There was far too much discouragement and bad influence by the other Countries in the region who do not believe in the Rule of Law.
The Albanians did not take full advantage of that wonderful opportunity that the Slovenian Conference presented for them to move closer to Europe, by attending the Conference as UNMIK-Kosovo.
The Albanians have the comforting reassurance that they will lovingly be offered another opportunity in the future to find a Legal and Compromise Solution to Kosovo’s Future Status.
Serbia is confident that one day the Albanians will embrace European standards, and the Serbian people will wait patiently for that day.
Thaci thinks Kosovo is independent. Why? Because the Americans and Brits say so? Im afraid their moral authority has vanished. My advice to Kalbs is to sit down now to make as good a deal as possible. Time and opinion is against you.
see, it doesnt matter if they met out expectations or not. it is the symbolism of it all that matters. on the one side we have all former yugoslav republics who try to collaborate for a better life, on the other side we have serbia, which still causes problems.
"Meeting expectations"? Indeed, it served our interests just ultimately the best.
If Tadić and Jeremić would manage to insure us (Serbia's public) that they are not planning in no option to sell us to the Nato and that they are controlling their Šutanovac in that sense I would not have a slightest need to look with my vote for another party.Their diplomatic work is just 100% satisfactory.
And at the end of the day if they are to take Serbia to EU, but on the legitimate way, I can live with that being myself "democratically" anti-EU orientated.
And another "LITTLE big" P.S: Mišković and all of quasi-Miškovići have to go too, or Serbia goes to nowhere and DS with them.
Sure great potential with this team of DS, but still heaps to be done yet.
This was just a small victory on the tough way in front of us to go.
In any way, great thanks on that.
Look, I don't think it was as unsuccessful for some. I'm sure Đukanović and Hash benefited by exchanging smuggling route information in the Balkans. This should now help the economies of both Montenegro and "Kosova".
Look, I don't think it was as unsuccessful for some. I'm sure Đukanović and Hash benefited by exchanging smuggling route information in the Balkans. This should now help the economies of both Montenegro and "Kosova".
Thaci thinks Kosovo is independent. Why? Because the Americans and Brits say so? Im afraid their moral authority has vanished. My advice to Kalbs is to sit down now to make as good a deal as possible. Time and opinion is against you.
Serbia definitely did the proper and acceptable thing by shunning the American Rambouillet Style Slovenian set up ‘Conference’.
Unless it is unavoidable, Serbia Must Not attend any gathering where Kosovo is Not represented as a Serbian Province, or where Kosovo’s citizens are Not viewed as Serbian citizens.
The EU now fully understands its serious responsibilities before all humanity to find a way to revoke their support for Albanian criminality.
The Conference as such as it was; should have focused on how all European countries must withdraw their support for criminal actions, by withdrawing their support for Kosovo’s Independence.
The Conference was a total failure, because it did not say that the Albanians should obey the Rule of Law, by revoking their Declaration Of Independence.
To Serbia’s credit, it gave the participating countries every opportunity to work on this very serious matter unhindered by other issues.
This Conference gave the Albanians the opportunity of joining the Community of Nations by attending the Conference as UMNIK-Kosovo.
The Albanians had the opportunity to show the world that they were using their free will to renounce Criminality, because of a genuine desire to one day join the European Union.
This particular American sponsored set up ‘Conference’ was not the ideal environment for the Albanians to show their European perspectives.
There was far too much discouragement and bad influence by the other Countries in the region who do not believe in the Rule of Law.
The Albanians did not take full advantage of that wonderful opportunity that the Slovenian Conference presented for them to move closer to Europe, by attending the Conference as UNMIK-Kosovo.
The Albanians have the comforting reassurance that they will lovingly be offered another opportunity in the future to find a Legal and Compromise Solution to Kosovo’s Future Status.
Serbia is confident that one day the Albanians will embrace European standards, and the Serbian people will wait patiently for that day.
Jeremic's rhetorics are purely for public consuptions.
I don't know what is the Serbia's understanding of "own territory" but there would be no Serbia's prospect to EU without recognising Kosovo/a independence first. If I can put it in EUs language "have good neigbouring relations".
see, it doesnt matter if they met out expectations or not. it is the symbolism of it all that matters. on the one side we have all former yugoslav republics who try to collaborate for a better life, on the other side we have serbia, which still causes problems.
"Meeting expectations"? Indeed, it served our interests just ultimately the best.
If Tadić and Jeremić would manage to insure us (Serbia's public) that they are not planning in no option to sell us to the Nato and that they are controlling their Šutanovac in that sense I would not have a slightest need to look with my vote for another party.Their diplomatic work is just 100% satisfactory.
And at the end of the day if they are to take Serbia to EU, but on the legitimate way, I can live with that being myself "democratically" anti-EU orientated.
And another "LITTLE big" P.S: Mišković and all of quasi-Miškovići have to go too, or Serbia goes to nowhere and DS with them.
Sure great potential with this team of DS, but still heaps to be done yet.
This was just a small victory on the tough way in front of us to go.
In any way, great thanks on that.
Kosova as the new lider in the Balkans is more important than Serbia.The conference itself tells you that.Serbia was isolated.
(BLERO)
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"Kosova" as the new regional leader , LOL.. I fell off my chair laughing when I read this comment. First of all "Kosova" isnt anything,may you be referring to KosovoUNMIK? Your capital city is Belgrade, face the reality no matter how hard it may seem. Tadic is your president :)
see, it doesnt matter if they met out expectations or not. it is the symbolism of it all that matters. on the one side we have all former yugoslav republics who try to collaborate for a better life, on the other side we have serbia, which still causes problems.
OP: jeremic looks funny, like a cipiripi :P
(fez, 21 March 2010 12:18)
on the one side we have all former yugoslav republics who try to collaborate for a better STEAL OF SERBIAN LAND, on the other side we have serbia, which still causes problems.
How would Jeremic know if the conference met expectations if he wasn't there, or was he? Maybe that was Vuk dressed up like a little Bubushka serving coffee at the conference luncheon and eavesdroping while taking notes so he could be the first to report on what went on.
Reading all the serbs in here makes you belive that rule of law and order was born in serbia. Serbia is representing the law for europe, yet not to long ago we remember how serbia broke every law that exists.
Why do these Albanian politicians think they are the spokesperson for everyone. Sediju thinks that he can announce that Greece, Romania, Slovakia, Cyprus, and Spain are going to recognize Kosovo as an independent country soon as does Thaci when he says that Serbia will too. Neither are politicians or citizens of the countries they think they are speaking for. Both would be better suited keeping their mouths shut and talking more about what they can do to make Kosovo more liveable instead of antagonizing their neighbors. And no...Kosovo will never be a regional leader except in criminal enterprise. Thaci showed up for the free lunch.
Only God knows if it was good for Serbia or not to ignore the conference. Yet there are evident things one cannot ignore :
1/ Without Serbia no important regional matters can be solved.
2/ EU & USA are too busy with their own survival problems to get involved in Balkans the way they used to do.
3/ The West has no more carrots to attract Serbia and no more cavalry attacks at Serbia are effective.
4/ Tadic group is deprived of maneuver cause it feels the hot breath of Voislav and Toma behind.
5/ The existing regional problems may have solutions only as a result of geopolitical changes plus good will. Both are missing now with big powers staying neutral. So let’s be patient cause the confrontations will shift to positional warfare.
6/ Things may change if the Albanians get tired of hiding their real faces and intentions. Then Serbs will be granted with good allies now shaking hands with the bandit. First to come to consciousness will be Montenegro.
fez said: "see, it doesnt matter if they met out expectations or not. it is the symbolism of it all that matters. on the one side we have all former yugoslav republics who try to collaborate for a better life, on the other side we have serbia, which still causes problems."
I would like to say to fez, to think about the situation.
Starting from the fact that Serbian Officials got the right to decide to participate or not to a meeting without asking for the permission to anyone, in this case they were completely right at least for two reasons: 1. even if kosovo declared (criminally) its indipendence, for the international laws it si not a country in the sense of the word. 2. Serbians only asked that kosovo was represented by officials under the name of kosovo - UNMIK (this is acceptable for everyone viewed that kosovo is not a country but a Serbian region).
Then I ask to fez to think about the fact that if Serbia alone can cause all these problems (as you said in your post) to all the other balkan countries, this means that Serbia is the more politically heavy country in the region.
I would like to inform everyone here that I am not Serbian, so it is not because of my nationality that I chose to bring the part of Belgrade, but I am not the kind of person who allow anyone to fool him with lies as the american everyday do.
HAHAHAHAHA. The snake sure knows how to ruin a party. I think the sloves did this to finally get the americanos off their backs. They can now say "We did what we could... now shove off!" This is so funny.
Never say never
(alproud)
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Too late... The Serbian people have said it, Jeremic has said it, leader oposing your prison camp state have said.... What are you gonna do now ? Never say , yes?
Kosova as the new lider in the Balkans is more important than Serbia.The conference itself tells you that.Serbia was isolated.
(BLERO, 21 March 2010 15:56)
I can't agree more on that. The Albanian llokum factory of Prizren beats the heck out of Serbian "Takovo" which is near Gornji Milanovac. Kosova is one of the leaders in the Balkans - if it is about llokum.
Wait, that conference was not about llokum? Sorry, my bad, I was thinking about things which DO matter.
Mr. Jeremic no one expects a positive statement as from you or from someone else Serb politician on Berdo meeting (we know it) .. But what feels really good is that Kosovo has made significant progress . Kosova will be the Middle East Israel very soon, just accept.
I am trying to remember what was posted here, few days ago:
Kosovo will be represented as Kosovo UNMIK and no other way. They will choose Serbia, they have more interest to respect the law etc etc.
Today, we know what happened. Kosova was represented as state there.
Yeah, since Serbia did not attend, meeting did not meet exceptations if Serbia would be there, exceptations would have been meet.
I call this stupid.
You can not lead, if you are not ready to solve.
Serbia has no right to claim leading role, having in consideration all wars in ex Yugoslavia in Serbias "quit" involvment. To have Serbia as a leader, it is not safe.
Therefore, new leader in this part of Balkans, will be identified / recognised very soon.
About criminal activities, I would say, you are somehow right, north Mitrovica is hosting most of these criminal activities. And I believe you can guess quit well who stays behind.
And I would say, this is why Serbia wants to keep the situation in west Mitrovica on the way it is now (heaven for criminal activities) and also, I see very clear why Serbia is not willing to attend similar meetings, they might have to really commit in preventing criminal activities, and this is not accepteable by many politicians in Serbia as they have big interest in these activities.
No one cuts hands thay get food from...
So, this is the solution: Kosovo will attend wherever it's needed and Serbia can decide not to attend because of the way Kosovo is represented. I wish this would happen as often as possible. Somehow I enjoy it too much... hahhahaa...
I think a different response should have been made by Serbia, in order to be considered seriously. They should have said: We represent Kosovo and no one else. Kosovo is our province ad as such, we decide who is going to represent them. They should not have separate invitation.
BUT (yeah, big BUT), Tadis and Co are smart enough to see the reality. Therefore, they dont say it on abopve mentioned "frame" but they say, they should be represented as Kosovo UNMIK. And, what would this change, still NOT part of Serbia.
Think, why Vojvodina was not invited?!!!
Tell me, why Vojvodina has the ineterest to be represented by Serbia, when, as we can see, Serbia decides on their own when and where will they be?
Isn't this one of the reasons why all ex-YU republics and why Kosovo wanted out from this so called "togetherl living"?!!!
I think yes, because no one, and I repeat NO ONE represents you on the way you would represent your self.
"No Jeremic, it just shows that Serbia is stubborn and unchanging, for if it was otherwise then I would also say Serbia is hypocritical.
(Ptoleme)
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What kind of perspective do you have? I can understand how Serbias position on not attending really in fact hurts YOUR position.
Both would be better suited keeping their mouths shut and talking more about what they can do to make Kosovo more liveable instead of antagonizing their neighbors.
(American Eagle, 21 March 2010 23:13)
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That's the point isn't it? They can't do anything for "Kosova" so they keep pulling their people by a string and lie to them about recognitions. That's the only false hopes they can give them.
The only thing serbia has managed to do is to show they havent changed a bit.
(AdamNYC)
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How do you figure this? Any support for your claim, or is this just another emotional action made on your poor keyboard? ... :)
Reading all the serbs in here makes you belive that rule of law and order was born in serbia. Serbia is representing the law for europe, yet not to long ago we remember how serbia broke every law that exists.
(gorge washington, 21 March 2010 20:04)
You Betcha! But, they've learned better than all of ya from their mistakes. Lookey here: They've said their sorries, made peace and moved right along, and then went on to fight for truth, justice, international law and democracy. Now that's something! Aain'it? Not to mention cleaning house every day and catching them war criminals.
And what the heck have you been doing lately, Mr. Washington?
The only thing serbia has managed to do is to show they havent changed a bit.
(AdamNYC, 22 March 2010 02:09)
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Absolutely, we are not going to change our position on Kosovo now or ever.
By wrecking the Brdo summit, Mr Tadic won a battle, but he cannot win the war. Smarting from its humiliation, Slovenia’s government may choose to take revenge by slowing the EU’s integration process with Serbia. Later this year, a major EU-Balkans summit is planned in Sarajevo, and the EU is increasing pressure on the states of the region to improve their mutual relations. If Serbia stays away again, the consequences could be grave. Many powerful voices in the EU, including Germany’s ruling Christian Democrats, want to see a long pause in enlargement for “digestion” once the EU takes in Iceland and Croatia, possibly in 2012. They won't mind a bit if Mr Tadic insists on putting Kosovo before Europe. If that happens, Serbia, which long ago lost Kosovo, may lose the EU.
By wrecking the Brdo summit, Mr Tadic won a battle, but he cannot win the war. Smarting from its humiliation, Slovenia’s government may choose to take revenge by slowing the EU’s integration process with Serbia. Later this year, a major EU-Balkans summit is planned in Sarajevo, and the EU is increasing pressure on the states of the region to improve their mutual relations. If Serbia stays away again, the consequences could be grave. Many powerful voices in the EU, including Germany’s ruling Christian Democrats, want to see a long pause in enlargement for “digestion” once the EU takes in Iceland and Croatia, possibly in 2012. They won't mind a bit if Mr Tadic insists on putting Kosovo before Europe. If that happens, Serbia, which long ago lost Kosovo, may lose the EU.
Krasniq't, good advice from me .. write yourself, do not copy the articles from other newspapers (newsnow) for example.
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The mask is finally being lifted and the world is starting to see Serbia for what it really is, the biggest source of instability in the Balkans and Europe. Jeremic has made it clear that Serbia prioritizes destabilizing Kosovo and BiH over its future in the EU just as it did during the Milosevic era. Finally we see that Tadic and Jeremic were simply trying to dupe Europe into thinking that Serbia had turned a corner but this has now been revealed to have been a deception. Serbia is doing today all the same things it did under Milosevic except for using violence. It is using the Kosovo Serbs and Bosnian Serbs as pawns in their game of increasing their power by destabilizing their neighbors. Given this blatant meddling in their neighbors affairs and their continued hiding of the war criminal Mladic Serbia's EU future is looking very bleak. Serbia's economy is weak, it's politics is volatile, and the EU and US are starting to realize that the softy approach towards Belgrade does not produce results it only rewards political actors for pretending to be trying to force change on Serbia while in fact they keep all the destructive foreign policies the same.
Kosova as the new lider in the Balkans is more important than Serbia.The conference itself tells you that.Serbia was isolated.
(BLERO, 21 March 2010 15:56)
"Leader" of what?? The smallest GDP per person?? The biggest unemployment rate?? The biggest budget debt (20% of pseudoindependent Kosovo budget is financed by EU!! But EU want to stop this nonsense). Or mayby is "leader" becouse is only Balkan territory ruled direrctly from Brussels ;)
You Betcha! But, they've learned better than all of ya from their mistakes. Lookey here: They've said their sorries, made peace and moved right along, and then went on to fight for truth, justice, international law and democracy. Now that's something! Aain'it? Not to mention cleaning house every day and catching them war criminals.
Long live Democracy!
(Don't mess with Texas!, ""
Sorry, but their victims haven't heard their whispers of 'sorry'.
Are You happy of this "leadership"???? ;)
(Milan
In the same exact way Serbs are happy with their puppet leadership..:)
I can't agree more on that. The Albanian llokum factory of Prizren beats the heck out of Serbian "Takovo" which is near Gornji Milanovac. Kosova is one of the leaders in the Balkans - if it is about llokum.
(Ataman, 21 March 2010 )
Sorry to burst your bubble Ataman but the best llokume are made in Elbasan, Central Albania. Not factory made but homemade. If you're ever in the city try some.
I wonder what were his expectations?
(MJ, 22 March 2010 02:10)
That Thaci would be represented as Pm of Kosovo/UNMIK.
Sorry to dissapoint you Vuk.
Now jump back on the plane and off to Venezuela or some other far flung country to thank them for not supporting Kosova's independence.
see, it doesnt matter if they met out expectations or not. it is the symbolism of it all that matters. on the one side we have all former yugoslav republics who try to collaborate for a better life, on the other side we have serbia, which still causes problems.
Look, I don't think it was as unsuccessful for some. I'm sure Đukanović and Hash benefited by exchanging smuggling route information in the Balkans. This should now help the economies of both Montenegro and "Kosova".
Serbia definitely did the proper and acceptable thing by shunning the American Rambouillet Style Slovenian set up ‘Conference’.
Unless it is unavoidable, Serbia Must Not attend any gathering where Kosovo is Not represented as a Serbian Province, or where Kosovo’s citizens are Not viewed as Serbian citizens.
The EU now fully understands its serious responsibilities before all humanity to find a way to revoke their support for Albanian criminality.
The Conference as such as it was; should have focused on how all European countries must withdraw their support for criminal actions, by withdrawing their support for Kosovo’s Independence.
The Conference was a total failure, because it did not say that the Albanians should obey the Rule of Law, by revoking their Declaration Of Independence.
To Serbia’s credit, it gave the participating countries every opportunity to work on this very serious matter unhindered by other issues.
This Conference gave the Albanians the opportunity of joining the Community of Nations by attending the Conference as UMNIK-Kosovo.
The Albanians had the opportunity to show the world that they were using their free will to renounce Criminality, because of a genuine desire to one day join the European Union.
This particular American sponsored set up ‘Conference’ was not the ideal environment for the Albanians to show their European perspectives.
There was far too much discouragement and bad influence by the other Countries in the region who do not believe in the Rule of Law.
The Albanians did not take full advantage of that wonderful opportunity that the Slovenian Conference presented for them to move closer to Europe, by attending the Conference as UNMIK-Kosovo.
The Albanians have the comforting reassurance that they will lovingly be offered another opportunity in the future to find a Legal and Compromise Solution to Kosovo’s Future Status.
Serbia is confident that one day the Albanians will embrace European standards, and the Serbian people will wait patiently for that day.
Kosova as the new lider in the Balkans is more important than Serbia.The conference itself tells you that.Serbia was isolated.
(BLERO)
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"Kosova" as the new regional leader , LOL.. I fell off my chair laughing when I read this comment. First of all "Kosova" isnt anything,may you be referring to KosovoUNMIK? Your capital city is Belgrade, face the reality no matter how hard it may seem. Tadic is your president :)
Only God knows if it was good for Serbia or not to ignore the conference. Yet there are evident things one cannot ignore :
1/ Without Serbia no important regional matters can be solved.
2/ EU & USA are too busy with their own survival problems to get involved in Balkans the way they used to do.
3/ The West has no more carrots to attract Serbia and no more cavalry attacks at Serbia are effective.
4/ Tadic group is deprived of maneuver cause it feels the hot breath of Voislav and Toma behind.
5/ The existing regional problems may have solutions only as a result of geopolitical changes plus good will. Both are missing now with big powers staying neutral. So let’s be patient cause the confrontations will shift to positional warfare.
6/ Things may change if the Albanians get tired of hiding their real faces and intentions. Then Serbs will be granted with good allies now shaking hands with the bandit. First to come to consciousness will be Montenegro.
Thaci thinks Kosovo is independent. Why? Because the Americans and Brits say so? Im afraid their moral authority has vanished. My advice to Kalbs is to sit down now to make as good a deal as possible. Time and opinion is against you.
Jeremic's rhetorics are purely for public consuptions.
I don't know what is the Serbia's understanding of "own territory" but there would be no Serbia's prospect to EU without recognising Kosovo/a independence first. If I can put it in EUs language "have good neigbouring relations".
"Meeting expectations"? Indeed, it served our interests just ultimately the best.
If Tadić and Jeremić would manage to insure us (Serbia's public) that they are not planning in no option to sell us to the Nato and that they are controlling their Šutanovac in that sense I would not have a slightest need to look with my vote for another party.Their diplomatic work is just 100% satisfactory.
And at the end of the day if they are to take Serbia to EU, but on the legitimate way, I can live with that being myself "democratically" anti-EU orientated.
And another "LITTLE big" P.S: Mišković and all of quasi-Miškovići have to go too, or Serbia goes to nowhere and DS with them.
Sure great potential with this team of DS, but still heaps to be done yet.
This was just a small victory on the tough way in front of us to go.
In any way, great thanks on that.
fez said: "see, it doesnt matter if they met out expectations or not. it is the symbolism of it all that matters. on the one side we have all former yugoslav republics who try to collaborate for a better life, on the other side we have serbia, which still causes problems."
I would like to say to fez, to think about the situation.
Starting from the fact that Serbian Officials got the right to decide to participate or not to a meeting without asking for the permission to anyone, in this case they were completely right at least for two reasons: 1. even if kosovo declared (criminally) its indipendence, for the international laws it si not a country in the sense of the word. 2. Serbians only asked that kosovo was represented by officials under the name of kosovo - UNMIK (this is acceptable for everyone viewed that kosovo is not a country but a Serbian region).
Then I ask to fez to think about the fact that if Serbia alone can cause all these problems (as you said in your post) to all the other balkan countries, this means that Serbia is the more politically heavy country in the region.
I would like to inform everyone here that I am not Serbian, so it is not because of my nationality that I chose to bring the part of Belgrade, but I am not the kind of person who allow anyone to fool him with lies as the american everyday do.
Kosova as the new lider in the Balkans is more important than Serbia.The conference itself tells you that.Serbia was isolated.
(BLERO, 21 March 2010 15:56)
I can't agree more on that. The Albanian llokum factory of Prizren beats the heck out of Serbian "Takovo" which is near Gornji Milanovac. Kosova is one of the leaders in the Balkans - if it is about llokum.
Wait, that conference was not about llokum? Sorry, my bad, I was thinking about things which DO matter.
Why do these Albanian politicians think they are the spokesperson for everyone. Sediju thinks that he can announce that Greece, Romania, Slovakia, Cyprus, and Spain are going to recognize Kosovo as an independent country soon as does Thaci when he says that Serbia will too. Neither are politicians or citizens of the countries they think they are speaking for. Both would be better suited keeping their mouths shut and talking more about what they can do to make Kosovo more liveable instead of antagonizing their neighbors. And no...Kosovo will never be a regional leader except in criminal enterprise. Thaci showed up for the free lunch.
see, it doesnt matter if they met out expectations or not. it is the symbolism of it all that matters. on the one side we have all former yugoslav republics who try to collaborate for a better life, on the other side we have serbia, which still causes problems.
OP: jeremic looks funny, like a cipiripi :P
(fez, 21 March 2010 12:18)
on the one side we have all former yugoslav republics who try to collaborate for a better STEAL OF SERBIAN LAND, on the other side we have serbia, which still causes problems.
HAHAHAHAHA. The snake sure knows how to ruin a party. I think the sloves did this to finally get the americanos off their backs. They can now say "We did what we could... now shove off!" This is so funny.
Never say never
(alproud)
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Too late... The Serbian people have said it, Jeremic has said it, leader oposing your prison camp state have said.... What are you gonna do now ? Never say , yes?
Reading all the serbs in here makes you belive that rule of law and order was born in serbia. Serbia is representing the law for europe, yet not to long ago we remember how serbia broke every law that exists.
How would Jeremic know if the conference met expectations if he wasn't there, or was he? Maybe that was Vuk dressed up like a little Bubushka serving coffee at the conference luncheon and eavesdroping while taking notes so he could be the first to report on what went on.
Reading all the serbs in here makes you belive that rule of law and order was born in serbia. Serbia is representing the law for europe, yet not to long ago we remember how serbia broke every law that exists.
(gorge washington, 21 March 2010 20:04)
You Betcha! But, they've learned better than all of ya from their mistakes. Lookey here: They've said their sorries, made peace and moved right along, and then went on to fight for truth, justice, international law and democracy. Now that's something! Aain'it? Not to mention cleaning house every day and catching them war criminals.
And what the heck have you been doing lately, Mr. Washington?
The only thing serbia has managed to do is to show they havent changed a bit.
(AdamNYC, 22 March 2010 02:09)
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Absolutely, we are not going to change our position on Kosovo now or ever.
Mr. Jeremic no one expects a positive statement as from you or from someone else Serb politician on Berdo meeting (we know it) .. But what feels really good is that Kosovo has made significant progress . Kosova will be the Middle East Israel very soon, just accept.
By wrecking the Brdo summit, Mr Tadic won a battle, but he cannot win the war. Smarting from its humiliation, Slovenia’s government may choose to take revenge by slowing the EU’s integration process with Serbia. Later this year, a major EU-Balkans summit is planned in Sarajevo, and the EU is increasing pressure on the states of the region to improve their mutual relations. If Serbia stays away again, the consequences could be grave. Many powerful voices in the EU, including Germany’s ruling Christian Democrats, want to see a long pause in enlargement for “digestion” once the EU takes in Iceland and Croatia, possibly in 2012. They won't mind a bit if Mr Tadic insists on putting Kosovo before Europe. If that happens, Serbia, which long ago lost Kosovo, may lose the EU.
"No Jeremic, it just shows that Serbia is stubborn and unchanging, for if it was otherwise then I would also say Serbia is hypocritical.
(Ptoleme)
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What kind of perspective do you have? I can understand how Serbias position on not attending really in fact hurts YOUR position.
The only thing serbia has managed to do is to show they havent changed a bit.
(AdamNYC)
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How do you figure this? Any support for your claim, or is this just another emotional action made on your poor keyboard? ... :)
You Betcha! But, they've learned better than all of ya from their mistakes. Lookey here: They've said their sorries, made peace and moved right along, and then went on to fight for truth, justice, international law and democracy. Now that's something! Aain'it? Not to mention cleaning house every day and catching them war criminals.
Long live Democracy!
(Don't mess with Texas!, ""
Sorry, but their victims haven't heard their whispers of 'sorry'.
Are You happy of this "leadership"???? ;)
(Milan
In the same exact way Serbs are happy with their puppet leadership..:)
The mask is finally being lifted and the world is starting to see Serbia for what it really is, the biggest source of instability in the Balkans and Europe. Jeremic has made it clear that Serbia prioritizes destabilizing Kosovo and BiH over its future in the EU just as it did during the Milosevic era. Finally we see that Tadic and Jeremic were simply trying to dupe Europe into thinking that Serbia had turned a corner but this has now been revealed to have been a deception. Serbia is doing today all the same things it did under Milosevic except for using violence. It is using the Kosovo Serbs and Bosnian Serbs as pawns in their game of increasing their power by destabilizing their neighbors. Given this blatant meddling in their neighbors affairs and their continued hiding of the war criminal Mladic Serbia's EU future is looking very bleak. Serbia's economy is weak, it's politics is volatile, and the EU and US are starting to realize that the softy approach towards Belgrade does not produce results it only rewards political actors for pretending to be trying to force change on Serbia while in fact they keep all the destructive foreign policies the same.
Both would be better suited keeping their mouths shut and talking more about what they can do to make Kosovo more liveable instead of antagonizing their neighbors.
(American Eagle, 21 March 2010 23:13)
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That's the point isn't it? They can't do anything for "Kosova" so they keep pulling their people by a string and lie to them about recognitions. That's the only false hopes they can give them.
I am trying to remember what was posted here, few days ago:
Kosovo will be represented as Kosovo UNMIK and no other way. They will choose Serbia, they have more interest to respect the law etc etc.
Today, we know what happened. Kosova was represented as state there.
Yeah, since Serbia did not attend, meeting did not meet exceptations if Serbia would be there, exceptations would have been meet.
I call this stupid.
You can not lead, if you are not ready to solve.
Serbia has no right to claim leading role, having in consideration all wars in ex Yugoslavia in Serbias "quit" involvment. To have Serbia as a leader, it is not safe.
Therefore, new leader in this part of Balkans, will be identified / recognised very soon.
About criminal activities, I would say, you are somehow right, north Mitrovica is hosting most of these criminal activities. And I believe you can guess quit well who stays behind.
And I would say, this is why Serbia wants to keep the situation in west Mitrovica on the way it is now (heaven for criminal activities) and also, I see very clear why Serbia is not willing to attend similar meetings, they might have to really commit in preventing criminal activities, and this is not accepteable by many politicians in Serbia as they have big interest in these activities.
No one cuts hands thay get food from...
So, this is the solution: Kosovo will attend wherever it's needed and Serbia can decide not to attend because of the way Kosovo is represented. I wish this would happen as often as possible. Somehow I enjoy it too much... hahhahaa...
I think a different response should have been made by Serbia, in order to be considered seriously. They should have said: We represent Kosovo and no one else. Kosovo is our province ad as such, we decide who is going to represent them. They should not have separate invitation.
BUT (yeah, big BUT), Tadis and Co are smart enough to see the reality. Therefore, they dont say it on abopve mentioned "frame" but they say, they should be represented as Kosovo UNMIK. And, what would this change, still NOT part of Serbia.
Think, why Vojvodina was not invited?!!!
Tell me, why Vojvodina has the ineterest to be represented by Serbia, when, as we can see, Serbia decides on their own when and where will they be?
Isn't this one of the reasons why all ex-YU republics and why Kosovo wanted out from this so called "togetherl living"?!!!
I think yes, because no one, and I repeat NO ONE represents you on the way you would represent your self.
Kosova as the new lider in the Balkans is more important than Serbia.The conference itself tells you that.Serbia was isolated.
(BLERO, 21 March 2010 15:56)
"Leader" of what?? The smallest GDP per person?? The biggest unemployment rate?? The biggest budget debt (20% of pseudoindependent Kosovo budget is financed by EU!! But EU want to stop this nonsense). Or mayby is "leader" becouse is only Balkan territory ruled direrctly from Brussels ;)
By wrecking the Brdo summit, Mr Tadic won a battle, but he cannot win the war. Smarting from its humiliation, Slovenia’s government may choose to take revenge by slowing the EU’s integration process with Serbia. Later this year, a major EU-Balkans summit is planned in Sarajevo, and the EU is increasing pressure on the states of the region to improve their mutual relations. If Serbia stays away again, the consequences could be grave. Many powerful voices in the EU, including Germany’s ruling Christian Democrats, want to see a long pause in enlargement for “digestion” once the EU takes in Iceland and Croatia, possibly in 2012. They won't mind a bit if Mr Tadic insists on putting Kosovo before Europe. If that happens, Serbia, which long ago lost Kosovo, may lose the EU.
Krasniq't, good advice from me .. write yourself, do not copy the articles from other newspapers (newsnow) for example.
I can't agree more on that. The Albanian llokum factory of Prizren beats the heck out of Serbian "Takovo" which is near Gornji Milanovac. Kosova is one of the leaders in the Balkans - if it is about llokum.
(Ataman, 21 March 2010 )
Sorry to burst your bubble Ataman but the best llokume are made in Elbasan, Central Albania. Not factory made but homemade. If you're ever in the city try some.
I wonder what were his expectations?
(MJ, 22 March 2010 02:10)
That Thaci would be represented as Pm of Kosovo/UNMIK.
Sorry to dissapoint you Vuk.
Now jump back on the plane and off to Venezuela or some other far flung country to thank them for not supporting Kosova's independence.
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