Thursday, 18.03.2010.
13:30
President Boris Tadić spoke for Tanjug news agency on Thursday in Belgrade about a wide range of topics, including Kosovo, organized crime, and EU integrations.
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"Almost 600 years of otoman empire and 100 years of serbian occupation and most of those places [in Sandzak]still speak Albanian.Dont do like you dont know because we are here to remind you." (ProAlb)
Not "still", but "becouse" 600 years of Ottoman occupation of serbian lands, here live Albanians, who comes on the place of expelled Serbs. If You check old Ottoman censuses - You will see, that region was SERBIAN SPEAKING!!
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"Almost 600 years of otoman empire and 100 years of serbian occupation and most of those places [in Sandzak]still speak Albanian.Dont do like you dont know because we are here to remind you." (ProAlb)
-- Checking the map, I can now totally understand how the Slavic populations are ready to drown in a sea of Albanian blue. Which is in Montenegro.
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"If you heard about History than look for a History book and you will find out that Sanxhak 100 years ago was pure Albanian." (ProAlb)
-- I've heard lots about history, and nothing was ever mentioned anything about homo albanicus settling in Sandzak. But since you probably also hold to the belief that homo albanicus is as old as protoplasm, I’m sure at one point some Dardanian got lost and died in what is now Sandzak, leading a number of Albanian archaeologists to definitively conclude the region, along with most of Europe west of the Urals is occupied Albanian land that’s ready to be liberated by a bunch of angry pizza flippers from Brooklyn.
"And the word itself mean nothing in serbian but means a lots of things in Albanian."
-- Like what? And I always thought Sandzak was a Turkish word, which the Serbs do not dispute. But since you're making this all up, where are the Albanian monuments in Sandzak to testify to your presence there? Let me guess. Xenu took them back to the Galactic Confederacy along with all the Dardanian palaces in Kosovo.
"You will taste the reality very soon."
-- Yawn. How goes the effort to liberate Ioannia? You making any headroads in Niš as well?
"Almost 600 years of otoman empire and 100 years of serbian occupation and most of those places still speak Albanian."
-- So you're trying to say that 700 years ago, homo albanicus roamed the praries and mountains of Sandzak. Shouldn't that be time to get over its loss? Even if they did, they did a poor job defending it. If there are any Albanians in Sandzak, they comprise less than 5%. I doubt you've ever been there. What do you call Novi Pazar? No one speaks Albanian there.
"Dont do like you dont know because we are here to remind you."
-- I'm sure you are. But sadly no one cares to hear about a history you concocted over a video game. Now run along like a good little boy and play outside. Your parents probably want their computer back.
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Tadic said: "“Serbia does not accept and it does not recognize the independence of Kosovo, and it shall not recognize it, so there is no need for anyone to try to persuade us to do that, or blackmail us, because that is mission impossible,”
Oh dear!Why cry "compromise" then?
(miri)
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To bring realization to you guys that Belgrade is your government. :)
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No ben. What I'm trying to say is that while I understand what you're saying, Presevo NOT IN KOSOVO. We are talking about KOSOVO only because that's the entity that's under the spotlight for "compromise". Presevo Valley, like RS, northwestern Macedonia and anyplace else are all pie in the sky ideas too many people have without any pragmatic merit. Were Presevo part of Kosovo then yes, I'd say by all means keep at least the Presevo municipality in Kosovo. But it's not and therefore doesn't fall into the equation.
So if we're dealing with Kosovo only, then we go municipality by municipality and decide. Serb municipalities remain under Belgrade with the guarantee of Pristina's non-interference. Albanian municipalities stay under Pristina with the guarantee of Belgrade's non-interference (which is pretty much what it is now). Agree to behave, keep EULEX as the nanny chaperone, and we all remain happy (or at least put on a good game face). Presevo remains in Serbia, just as RS remains in Bosnia. If this deal actually produces something good, there's always the possibility of Presevo and RS strenthening their ties to their respective "countries" at some later point.
The minute we screw with Presevo, the Albanians of Macedonia will want in on the deal, as well as the Serbs of RS. Keep it in Kosovo since that's the area under scrutiny.
I hope that clears up any misunderstandings.
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(Mike, 19 March 2010 16:41)
you write a long theatrical post of the "noble" nation style and yet you finish with saying:
1. if K-A don't want to live within Serbia that’s OK but
2. If K-Serbs of THE NORTH (3 municps NOT 9 ok????) do not want to live within Kosova then they should be respected too.
And I say fine with 1 and 2 BUT
you must respect that Albanian in Presheva valley do not want to live in Serbia just as K-S in Kosova.
So it is a question of principals and fairness that you simply lack. You need to put the point 3: Presheva valley so you can have some credibility when you cry for K-S.
The fact who controls what is not an issue when you discuss about: compromise, values, fairness, moral etc. OK??? is it so hard to get it???
But it seams you don't understand this: you prefer the arrogance and prgamaticity of the force. Said but true as you would say.
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WAR, CALAMITY, HELL ON EARTH BUT NEVER EVER NEGOTIATION.
(Bekim, 18 March 2010 17:49)
You would write this with even bigger letters if it was possible, wouldn't you!
I know all of you very well.. You would not be able to have a war with us, never. Never!
It would be a single sided intervention like it was before. We've never been in war with you and previously was just an intervention and 1999 NATO bombing of Yugoslavia. War is something else and you don't want war with us. Deep inside you know that very well.
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“You see Mike you Serbs always base your judgments on arrogance and force. You have the control so nothing to discuss. So to follow your logic we have control of Kosova in all 9-3 municipalities so why should we discus with you???” (ben)
-- Who’s the one using arrogance and force? You’re the one calling for a land swap for something you don’t have but want, with something you don’t want and don’t have and then following it up with threats of additional irredentist movements if you don’t get your Diaspora way. “Arrogance and force” on my part would have been warranted had I called for the forceful taking back of all of Kosovo. I never said that. You’re going to have to learn to live with the fact that Preševo is out of your control, just as Serbia is going to have to learn to live with the fact RS (and large parts of Kosovo) is out of theirs, and the international community is just going to keep it that way. What’s the attachment to Preševo anyway? You from there? And I would have thought by now you realize I’m NOT Serbian, but American. Not even Serbian-American. Sad but true, there’s not a drop of blood of that noble race in me.
”Thus you Serbs must learn that the arrogance will bring you nothing good. And as someone said before if you want trouble you can get it very easily: we can support the nationalist in Sandzak for e.g. of course on the top of Presheva valley.” (ben)
-- So it’s interesting you spend all this time mashing out some hastily crafted comment about Serbian arrogance and then throw out empty threats of secessionist movements in Preševo and now in Sandžak as well. Kosovo can’t even control its own territory, so calling for additional irredentist movements is sort of premature, don’t you think? Besides, Washington wouldn't really like that tone coming from Pristina.
”And last do you think that your chicken thieves from north Kosova are posing any serious military challenge to us???” (ben)
-- See, now you’re just losing it. Calm down Ben. Serbs in the north don’t need to steal anything since they can get all their stuff from the rest of Serbia. Northern Kosovo is posing no “threat” to you, yet for whatever reason the dog wagers in Priština like to create this illusion it’s the sole reason for Kosovo’s instability and diaspora Albanian that love to play soldier dream about storming areas they claim for their own but have never been there. Any normal K Albanian WHO LIVES THERE couldn’t care less about northern Kosovo. You’re fantasizing about an Albanian “force” that not only doesn’t exist, but has no capability of getting what you want. If you read my comment carefully, you’d see that I was trying to rationalize the cantonization of the region in an effort to let everyone live their own lives without the threat of someone else screwing it up for them. That’s what “compromise” is all about. Instead of trying to go for the whole pie, accept what you currently have and share. Apparently, this is a new thing for lots of Albanians. Or at least the hyper nationalists of the Diaspora.
I really can’t understand what’s so horrible for you to accept: Serbs mind their own affairs while Albanians mind theirs in Kosovo. What’s wrong with that? Mashing out empty statements about how Albanians are so awesome and Serbs are so stupid doesn’t do anything for me, and certainly doesn’t do anything for your argument.
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I admire Mr Tadic's stubbornness in hitting the head against the wall. Mr Tadic will eventually leave, and maybe the successor will be more rational and decide to open the Serbian embassy in Pristina. That's how I see the future of these beloved neighbors. Mr Tadic will also go to Brdo as the President of Serbia as will Mr Fatmir Sejdiu go to Brdo as the President of Kosovo. Aren't you people fed up with this! Cut the blah blah! How many more years to go? 10, 20, 100. Kosovo will never again become part of Serbia. It's done. Period. Thank you!
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President Tadiç is right: a sustainable solution must be found. I push the envelope: the day Serbia will recognize Kosovo the situation of Serbs in Kosovo will immediately be excellent. Paying Kosovo's Serbs just not to cooperate with the Kosovo's authorities is the best way to worsen their situation. As clear as it gets.
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Albanians and Serb used to live like brothers. They would get married with each-other. Even St Angelina of Serbia is from Albania. Let's live in peace.
(Drini, 18 March 2010 20:34)
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Yes, yes, under the Serbian flag of course.
(Peggy, 19 March 2010 02:53)
Excellent post Peggy.
it simply makes it clear why the independence Kosova is the only solution.
Why should Kosovars take your arrogance anymore??? Nice that you make that clear again and again :)
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-- Why should they? They own the three you want, and they control the three you think you have. They can easily keep the 9 and the 3 while writing off the rest in the name of "compromise". What can you offer that you *control* that they *want*?
(Mike, 18 March 2010 22:29)
You see Mike you Serbs always base your judgments on arrogance and force. You have the control so nothing to discuss. So to follow your logic we have control of Kosova in all 9-3 municipalities so why should we discus with you???
Well what is the most interesting thing is that you forget that entire Kosova WAS under your control but you lost it.
So you can lose Presheva valley also.
Everything what you Serbs are doing in the 3 (three) northern municip we Albanians can do it easily in the 3 municp. of Presheva valley.
Thus you Serbs must learn that the arrogance will bring you nothing good. And as someone said before if you want trouble you can get it very easily: we can support the nationalist in Sandzak for e.g. of course on the top of Presheva valley.
And last do you think that your chicken thieves from north Kosova are posing any serious military challenge to us???
Each time when you hear our leaders saying: we will not apply force in the north Kosova you take it as weakness instead of a mature democratic decision. But you never get it right anyhow.
You Serbs love to say never: you were saying that also for Kosova but look where we are now. You always play for ‘all or nothing’ but usually you get nothing: Kosova, Croatia, soon Bosnia.
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Albanians and Serb used to live like brothers. They would get married with each-other. Even St Angelina of Serbia is from Albania. Let's live in peace.
(Drini, 18 March 2010 20:34)
Very nice comment Drini, respect.
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Albanians and Serb used to live like brothers. They would get married with each-other. Even St Angelina of Serbia is from Albania. Let's live in peace.
(Drini, 18 March 2010 20:34)
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Yes, yes, under the Serbian flag of course.
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Mike if anyone moved to Sanxhak is the homo Srbs last 100 years.If you heard about History than look for a History book and you will find out that Sanxhak 100 years ago was pure Albanian.And the word itself mean nothing in serbian but means a lots of things in Albanian.You will taste the reality very soon.Almost 600 years of otoman empire and 100 years of serbian occupation and most of those places still speak Albanian.Dont do like you dont know because we are here to remind you.
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Niall, interestingly you mentioned the Ulster Unionists. Apparantly, you don't know that they are fiercly on Serbs' side since they fought, just as the Royalist from Northern Ireland against Catholics (Croats), while Croats always support the Irish cause in the Northern Ireland conflict.
(Kim, 18 March 2010 21:25)
Hi Kim, Ulster Unionists are the most loyal and supportive of the UK armed forces that they give them unquestionable allegiance no matter what war they fight in. They never organised any anti war protests for the wars in YU and Iraq. Your kin also support and received support from numerous and odious right wing regimes like Israel and the old apartheid South Africa.
As for the Croats, well it is well known that they do support Irish nationalists but the support I can assure you is not reciprocated especially amoungst Irish Republican Socialists like myself who regard Croatian nationalism with nothing but the contempt it deserves.
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"Tic Tak, Tic Tak, the clock is ticking for Serbia. Guess who is going to have the last laugh???" (Kosova-USA)
-- Certainly not Pristina.
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"We can negotiate for the Autonomy of Albanian region of Sanxhak"
-- Silly Albanian nationalist. If you're referring to Sandzak, the Muslim Slavs living there have nothing in common with Albanians, probably don't want to live with you, and really don't want to be sucked into Kosovo-UNMIK.
And when did homo albanicus ever settle there?
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adić also stated Serbia and all its institutions are determined to fight organized crime, which along with groups of hooligans, and terrorist groups of ethnic Albanians in Kosovo, represents the greatest threat for the national security.
You call for compromise and yet don't miss a chance to call Albanians terrorists. How are you different from Milosevic?
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NK - again, a KA who is quite capable of stating that KAs cannot accept to live under Serb rule, but then demands in all seriousness that K Serbs must accept Albanian rule. Is the word irony even in your vocab?
Anyway, Tadic is offering a real chance to break the deadlock. Pristina should take it. Give up the north for full independence for the rest. This is as good a deal as it gets.
As for Presevo, forget it. The price of ensuring security for K Serbs living below the Ibar is an Albanian population in Serbia. The EU will want to also make sure that there is some fiction of multiethnicity.
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Im not a big fan of Tadic but he is correctly playing the game.
EU is not for Serbia, we don't need to be governed by Germany!
Vojislav all the way!
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k-usa said..."Tic Tak, Tic Tak, the clock is ticking for Serbia. Guess who is going to have the last laugh???"
Tic Tak?
http://www.twikeodream.com/images/7910567tictac_mint_1.jpg
Tick Tock?
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_rvaAL1L_55s/SQ9WOLpPjiI/AAAAAAAAF1w/SKM0fNz6_5o/s400/tick+tock+clock.jpg
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while Croats always support the Irish cause in the Northern Ireland conflict.
(Kim, 18 March 2010 21:25)
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Are you sure about that? As a Serbian, I support a united Ireland.
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Serbia had a great chance to commpromise 15 yrs ago with Rugova but they chose to send in the tanks. What a smart move that proved to be.
Now it's too late Mr. Tadic. Too much blood was spilled and life was lost.
That's why there will never be any negotiations.
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Serbia's "compromise" solution would be spliting Kosovo/a first and recognise Kosovo/a after.
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"P.S. Mike: it is obvious to everyone that to you Serbs one gives you finger you take the arm. We gaved you 9 municipalities. But the number is 3:3. Serbia takes the 3 Serbs municipalities in north and Kosova the 3 municipalities in the east."
-- Why should they? They own the three you want, and they control the three you think you have. They can easily keep the 9 and the 3 while writing off the rest in the name of "compromise". What can you offer that you *control* that they *want*?
(ben)
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Niall, interestingly you mentioned the Ulster Unionists. Apparantly, you don't know that they are fiercly on Serbs' side since they fought, just as the Royalist from Northern Ireland against Catholics (Croats), while Croats always support the Irish cause in the Northern Ireland conflict.
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Oh now you want negotiations,we Albanians have been asking for over 100 years of negotiations and you pretended that you did not hear us.We can negotiate for the Autonomy of Albanian region of Sanxhak and Preshevo Valley,what do you think about that ah !Dont do like you don*t hear .
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and here you have the reason why they are endangered:because of Serbia and its position toward independence..
(lili, 18 March 2010 16:53)
This position is constructed to dissolve your illusions about independence.
"The reason they're endangered.." what a rubbish from a "lady".
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Albanians and Serb used to live like brothers. They would get married with each-other. Even St Angelina of Serbia is from Albania. Let's live in peace.
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WAR, CALAMITY, HELL ON EARTH BUT NEVER EVER NEGOTIATION.
(Bekim, 18 March 2010 17:49)
I take it you went to the Ulster Unionist-Rev Ian Paisley School of Diplomacy. Well in the end, the very good Reverend along with his flock had to conceed reality and say yes just like the man from Del Monte.
You lot will no doubt be forced reality and go back to the table with Messrs Tadic, Jeremic and Dacic.
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I think that the best solution would be Serbia to recognize Kosovo and Kosovo to guarantee all the rights for Serbs living in Kosovo.
I just don't think that there is other way around. No Albanians want to live in one country with Serbia. We all know what happened on 98-99, I am sure no one wants that to happen ever again.
Let's move on with our lives.
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The president speaks about some kind of limited freedom for Serbs in Kosova while such thing does not appear in any report of interna. organisations operating in Kosova. NADA.
In the same time he speaks about compromise. The word compromise sounds as a call from a reasonable man for a reasonable solution.
And yet the same "reasonable" man invents inexistent things as endangered K-Serbs and "forgets" the obvious fact wich is repeated in ALL reports of UN Sec General:
in Kosova the freedom of movement is limited ONL to the Albanians in north Kosova where the "reasonable" man of above is keeping his hooligans.
P.S. Mike: it is obvious to everyone that to you Serbs one gives you finger you take the arm. We gaved you 9 municipalities. But the number is 3:3. Serbia takes the 3 Serbs municipalities in north and Kosova the 3 municipalities in the east.
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"We are ready to, after the ICJ decision (on the legality of the UDI), reach compromise through dialogue," Tadić told the news agency.
“Serbia does not accept and it does not recognize the independence of Kosovo, and it shall not recognize it, so there is no need for anyone to try to persuade us to do that, or blackmail us, because that is mission impossible,” the president stated.
-- Why would anyone believe anything you say when in the same speech you say two things, about the same topic, that are so diametrically opposed to each other?
I am collecting funds to buy Serb officials a dictionary that contains only the definition of the word COMPROMISE as the rest of the world understands it. Obviously in Belgrade compromise means something is called a compromise only if it contains all of Serbia's wishes.
To those claiming Albanians are destabilizing factor; have you noticed that since Serbia has been punished there has been no war in the Balkans while when it wasn't there were plenty of wars in the same decade? Doesn't then military isolation of Serbia equal peace? Its been equaling peace for at least 11 years now. Shouldn't then that be the formula for peace in the balkans? Peace = military containment of Serbia and military punishment when it doesn't follow the rules.
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Here we go again the Serb Camp makes an elementary mistake. Hashim Thaci is not President of Kosovo, he is the premier or the Prime Minister. Just last week you guys assumed FM Meta was from Kosovo.
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Tic Tak, Tic Tak, the clock is ticking for Serbia. Guess who is going to have the last laugh???
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We all know that what you want is partition: 'let's grab as much as we can'.
But the key word is exchange. And you have a deal.
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x1. Live in prison camp "Kosova"
2. War
3. Negotiate lasting peace and prosperity for the province
What will it be?
(Zoran, 18 March 2010 14:57)
WAR, CALAMITY, HELL ON EARTH BUT NEVER EVER NEGOTIATION.
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"and here you have the reason why they are endangered:because of Serbia and its position toward independence."
lili
So because Serbia doesn't recognize Kosovo its people should be harrassed and killed and have their property destroyed. Listen to what you are saying! If I don't agree with you I should suffer! Albanian democracy!!! Kosovo is Serbian! And, NO, we will never ever recognize it as anything else.
Kosovo jam Serbe!
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Presevo is part of Serbia and if the inhabitants don't want to be part of Serbia, then they are free to move to another country.
(Another Canadian Serb, 18 March 2010 15:00)
Maybe Canada???
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Mr.Tadic is right on the money again-albanians are the biggest threat to security.With the tool of president(Thaci) whose picture is still on interpols most wanted list-how could anyone expect not to feel secure..
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1. Live in prison camp "Kosova"
2. War
3. Negotiate lasting peace and prosperity for the province
What will it be?
(Zoran, 18 March 2010 14:57)
1. No one is living in prison camp, but for very first time after decades of prison they are free of any oppression.
2. WAR??? No human being in right mind will ask for war, but if war is imposed on K-Albanians again, then so be it.
3. Negotiate for the price of weed,rakija, vegetables,plazma keks and other goods,. I say YES, pronto.
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The Serb people in Kosovo are absolutely the most endangered people in modern day Europe," Tadić stated.
“Serbia does not accept and it does not recognize the independence of Kosovo, and it shall not recognize it,
and here you have the reason why they are endangered:because of Serbia and its position toward independence..
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This speech is nothing but a pure racism; …Albanians in Kosovo, represents the greatest threat for the national security!!!
What does this individual think? That is a big question. However we (Albanaians) are fully aware of his intentions, not long ago we have been qualified by the same place as a threat to security, terrorists, irredentists and so on; you all know the rest of the story. By the way, let us recall riots of 17 and 18 March of 2004 and 17 / 18/ 19/ …. March, April, May …of 1997, 1998, 1999 over the same Albanians, then qualified as a national threat etc…
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Seems mr.tadic is in serious troble..but at the same time is still the best option for EU...a real conudrum...
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nightstalker,
Presevo is part of Serbia and if the inhabitants don't want to be part of Serbia, then they are free to move to another country.
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“Tadić also stated Serbia and all its institutions are determined to fight organized crime, which along with groups of hooligans, and the ethnic Albanians in Kosovo, represents the greatest threat for the national security.”
So, Mr. Tadic, what are you going to do about it? You can fight the organized crime and hooliganism, imprison the criminals and hooligans, but can you do the same with the ethnic Albanians in Kosovo? If you consider Albanians in Kosovo as one of the biggest threats for the national security, how do you think you can make them live under your rule??!!
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Tadic's message may not be warmly received in every corner, but he certainly knows what to say and how to say it.
Juxtapose Tadic's comment on the 2004 anti-Serb progroms with those of Kostunica yesterday. Rather than say it's an attempt to destroy anything and anyone not part of homo albanicus, Tadic's is simply saying the general propensity for violence is still apparent.
Calling for a "compromise" is exactly what the EUrocrats want to hear and the notion that Belgrade will be the reasonable one after the ICJ ruling recognizes the ambiguity of Kosovo-UNMIK's sovereignty, there stands to be a good chance for a reconfiguration of the mandate's internal administration. I really can't see why there should be any objection to Belgrade retaining authority over the now 9 Serbian municipalities while Pristina retains authority over the Albanian parts. You don't want to live with them and they don't want to live with you. This isn't rocket science. At the end of the day, Belgrade still makes the sacrifice of writing off large parts of Kosovo in order to retain what "reality" dictates is still their own.
Live and let live.
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Do the right thing Mr President, Recognise the Independent Kosovo/a, and move on for the better of Western Ballkan's,if you don't the US and Eu will soon or later "TELL" you to do so
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Serbia will never recognise "Kosova" as independent because it never will become independent. That's not a reality Serbia has to face but one ethnic Albanians need to. The three choices are:
1. Live in prison camp "Kosova"
2. War
3. Negotiate lasting peace and prosperity for the province
What will it be?
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What a kind of compromise does he want? Since in Belgrade an around Serbia war criminals are still free, when still Serbia is financing radicals in Kosovo to destabilize the region, using arguments from 19. century to justify his claim over Kosovo and with every official daclaration they are threating Kosovo and his people, is there any free space fro a compromise Mr Tadic? I think not, so stop to justify your aggressive policy and accept the reality in Kosovo and eminently in Serbia.
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Now your want presevo valley too? You'll never get it :)
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serbia kosovo federation is the best compromise but unfortunately serbia wants the land but but not the people
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"One is that (ethnic) Albanians in Kosovo do not wish to live under Serbia's sovereign roof, and the other reality is that Serbs in Kosovo do not wish to live under the sovereign roof of the so-called independent Kosovo". "
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This is Tadic asking for the partition that Dodik mentioned. There's another reality Tadic, Presevo area does not want to live under Serbian rule either.
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Tadic said: "“Serbia does not accept and it does not recognize the independence of Kosovo, and it shall not recognize it, so there is no need for anyone to try to persuade us to do that, or blackmail us, because that is mission impossible,”
Oh dear!Why cry "compromise" then?
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Tadic said: "“Serbia does not accept and it does not recognize the independence of Kosovo, and it shall not recognize it, so there is no need for anyone to try to persuade us to do that, or blackmail us, because that is mission impossible,”
Oh dear!Why cry "compromise" then?
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"One is that (ethnic) Albanians in Kosovo do not wish to live under Serbia's sovereign roof, and the other reality is that Serbs in Kosovo do not wish to live under the sovereign roof of the so-called independent Kosovo". "
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This is Tadic asking for the partition that Dodik mentioned. There's another reality Tadic, Presevo area does not want to live under Serbian rule either.
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Do the right thing Mr President, Recognise the Independent Kosovo/a, and move on for the better of Western Ballkan's,if you don't the US and Eu will soon or later "TELL" you to do so
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This speech is nothing but a pure racism; …Albanians in Kosovo, represents the greatest threat for the national security!!!
What does this individual think? That is a big question. However we (Albanaians) are fully aware of his intentions, not long ago we have been qualified by the same place as a threat to security, terrorists, irredentists and so on; you all know the rest of the story. By the way, let us recall riots of 17 and 18 March of 2004 and 17 / 18/ 19/ …. March, April, May …of 1997, 1998, 1999 over the same Albanians, then qualified as a national threat etc…
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nightstalker,
Presevo is part of Serbia and if the inhabitants don't want to be part of Serbia, then they are free to move to another country.
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1. Live in prison camp "Kosova"
2. War
3. Negotiate lasting peace and prosperity for the province
What will it be?
(Zoran, 18 March 2010 14:57)
1. No one is living in prison camp, but for very first time after decades of prison they are free of any oppression.
2. WAR??? No human being in right mind will ask for war, but if war is imposed on K-Albanians again, then so be it.
3. Negotiate for the price of weed,rakija, vegetables,plazma keks and other goods,. I say YES, pronto.
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x1. Live in prison camp "Kosova"
2. War
3. Negotiate lasting peace and prosperity for the province
What will it be?
(Zoran, 18 March 2010 14:57)
WAR, CALAMITY, HELL ON EARTH BUT NEVER EVER NEGOTIATION.
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What a kind of compromise does he want? Since in Belgrade an around Serbia war criminals are still free, when still Serbia is financing radicals in Kosovo to destabilize the region, using arguments from 19. century to justify his claim over Kosovo and with every official daclaration they are threating Kosovo and his people, is there any free space fro a compromise Mr Tadic? I think not, so stop to justify your aggressive policy and accept the reality in Kosovo and eminently in Serbia.
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Presevo is part of Serbia and if the inhabitants don't want to be part of Serbia, then they are free to move to another country.
(Another Canadian Serb, 18 March 2010 15:00)
Maybe Canada???
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Now your want presevo valley too? You'll never get it :)
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Serbia will never recognise "Kosova" as independent because it never will become independent. That's not a reality Serbia has to face but one ethnic Albanians need to. The three choices are:
1. Live in prison camp "Kosova"
2. War
3. Negotiate lasting peace and prosperity for the province
What will it be?
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“Tadić also stated Serbia and all its institutions are determined to fight organized crime, which along with groups of hooligans, and the ethnic Albanians in Kosovo, represents the greatest threat for the national security.”
So, Mr. Tadic, what are you going to do about it? You can fight the organized crime and hooliganism, imprison the criminals and hooligans, but can you do the same with the ethnic Albanians in Kosovo? If you consider Albanians in Kosovo as one of the biggest threats for the national security, how do you think you can make them live under your rule??!!
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"We are ready to, after the ICJ decision (on the legality of the UDI), reach compromise through dialogue," Tadić told the news agency.
“Serbia does not accept and it does not recognize the independence of Kosovo, and it shall not recognize it, so there is no need for anyone to try to persuade us to do that, or blackmail us, because that is mission impossible,” the president stated.
-- Why would anyone believe anything you say when in the same speech you say two things, about the same topic, that are so diametrically opposed to each other?
I am collecting funds to buy Serb officials a dictionary that contains only the definition of the word COMPROMISE as the rest of the world understands it. Obviously in Belgrade compromise means something is called a compromise only if it contains all of Serbia's wishes.
To those claiming Albanians are destabilizing factor; have you noticed that since Serbia has been punished there has been no war in the Balkans while when it wasn't there were plenty of wars in the same decade? Doesn't then military isolation of Serbia equal peace? Its been equaling peace for at least 11 years now. Shouldn't then that be the formula for peace in the balkans? Peace = military containment of Serbia and military punishment when it doesn't follow the rules.
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Tic Tak, Tic Tak, the clock is ticking for Serbia. Guess who is going to have the last laugh???
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Oh now you want negotiations,we Albanians have been asking for over 100 years of negotiations and you pretended that you did not hear us.We can negotiate for the Autonomy of Albanian region of Sanxhak and Preshevo Valley,what do you think about that ah !Dont do like you don*t hear .
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"and here you have the reason why they are endangered:because of Serbia and its position toward independence."
lili
So because Serbia doesn't recognize Kosovo its people should be harrassed and killed and have their property destroyed. Listen to what you are saying! If I don't agree with you I should suffer! Albanian democracy!!! Kosovo is Serbian! And, NO, we will never ever recognize it as anything else.
Kosovo jam Serbe!
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I think that the best solution would be Serbia to recognize Kosovo and Kosovo to guarantee all the rights for Serbs living in Kosovo.
I just don't think that there is other way around. No Albanians want to live in one country with Serbia. We all know what happened on 98-99, I am sure no one wants that to happen ever again.
Let's move on with our lives.
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The Serb people in Kosovo are absolutely the most endangered people in modern day Europe," Tadić stated.
“Serbia does not accept and it does not recognize the independence of Kosovo, and it shall not recognize it,
and here you have the reason why they are endangered:because of Serbia and its position toward independence..
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We all know that what you want is partition: 'let's grab as much as we can'.
But the key word is exchange. And you have a deal.
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Here we go again the Serb Camp makes an elementary mistake. Hashim Thaci is not President of Kosovo, he is the premier or the Prime Minister. Just last week you guys assumed FM Meta was from Kosovo.
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Albanians and Serb used to live like brothers. They would get married with each-other. Even St Angelina of Serbia is from Albania. Let's live in peace.
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"We can negotiate for the Autonomy of Albanian region of Sanxhak"
-- Silly Albanian nationalist. If you're referring to Sandzak, the Muslim Slavs living there have nothing in common with Albanians, probably don't want to live with you, and really don't want to be sucked into Kosovo-UNMIK.
And when did homo albanicus ever settle there?
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WAR, CALAMITY, HELL ON EARTH BUT NEVER EVER NEGOTIATION.
(Bekim, 18 March 2010 17:49)
I take it you went to the Ulster Unionist-Rev Ian Paisley School of Diplomacy. Well in the end, the very good Reverend along with his flock had to conceed reality and say yes just like the man from Del Monte.
You lot will no doubt be forced reality and go back to the table with Messrs Tadic, Jeremic and Dacic.
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serbia kosovo federation is the best compromise but unfortunately serbia wants the land but but not the people
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Seems mr.tadic is in serious troble..but at the same time is still the best option for EU...a real conudrum...
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Mr.Tadic is right on the money again-albanians are the biggest threat to security.With the tool of president(Thaci) whose picture is still on interpols most wanted list-how could anyone expect not to feel secure..
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Niall, interestingly you mentioned the Ulster Unionists. Apparantly, you don't know that they are fiercly on Serbs' side since they fought, just as the Royalist from Northern Ireland against Catholics (Croats), while Croats always support the Irish cause in the Northern Ireland conflict.
(Kim, 18 March 2010 21:25)
Hi Kim, Ulster Unionists are the most loyal and supportive of the UK armed forces that they give them unquestionable allegiance no matter what war they fight in. They never organised any anti war protests for the wars in YU and Iraq. Your kin also support and received support from numerous and odious right wing regimes like Israel and the old apartheid South Africa.
As for the Croats, well it is well known that they do support Irish nationalists but the support I can assure you is not reciprocated especially amoungst Irish Republican Socialists like myself who regard Croatian nationalism with nothing but the contempt it deserves.
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-- Why should they? They own the three you want, and they control the three you think you have. They can easily keep the 9 and the 3 while writing off the rest in the name of "compromise". What can you offer that you *control* that they *want*?
(Mike, 18 March 2010 22:29)
You see Mike you Serbs always base your judgments on arrogance and force. You have the control so nothing to discuss. So to follow your logic we have control of Kosova in all 9-3 municipalities so why should we discus with you???
Well what is the most interesting thing is that you forget that entire Kosova WAS under your control but you lost it.
So you can lose Presheva valley also.
Everything what you Serbs are doing in the 3 (three) northern municip we Albanians can do it easily in the 3 municp. of Presheva valley.
Thus you Serbs must learn that the arrogance will bring you nothing good. And as someone said before if you want trouble you can get it very easily: we can support the nationalist in Sandzak for e.g. of course on the top of Presheva valley.
And last do you think that your chicken thieves from north Kosova are posing any serious military challenge to us???
Each time when you hear our leaders saying: we will not apply force in the north Kosova you take it as weakness instead of a mature democratic decision. But you never get it right anyhow.
You Serbs love to say never: you were saying that also for Kosova but look where we are now. You always play for ‘all or nothing’ but usually you get nothing: Kosova, Croatia, soon Bosnia.
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Tadic's message may not be warmly received in every corner, but he certainly knows what to say and how to say it.
Juxtapose Tadic's comment on the 2004 anti-Serb progroms with those of Kostunica yesterday. Rather than say it's an attempt to destroy anything and anyone not part of homo albanicus, Tadic's is simply saying the general propensity for violence is still apparent.
Calling for a "compromise" is exactly what the EUrocrats want to hear and the notion that Belgrade will be the reasonable one after the ICJ ruling recognizes the ambiguity of Kosovo-UNMIK's sovereignty, there stands to be a good chance for a reconfiguration of the mandate's internal administration. I really can't see why there should be any objection to Belgrade retaining authority over the now 9 Serbian municipalities while Pristina retains authority over the Albanian parts. You don't want to live with them and they don't want to live with you. This isn't rocket science. At the end of the day, Belgrade still makes the sacrifice of writing off large parts of Kosovo in order to retain what "reality" dictates is still their own.
Live and let live.
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Albanians and Serb used to live like brothers. They would get married with each-other. Even St Angelina of Serbia is from Albania. Let's live in peace.
(Drini, 18 March 2010 20:34)
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Yes, yes, under the Serbian flag of course.
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Albanians and Serb used to live like brothers. They would get married with each-other. Even St Angelina of Serbia is from Albania. Let's live in peace.
(Drini, 18 March 2010 20:34)
===…==
Yes, yes, under the Serbian flag of course.
(Peggy, 19 March 2010 02:53)
Excellent post Peggy.
it simply makes it clear why the independence Kosova is the only solution.
Why should Kosovars take your arrogance anymore??? Nice that you make that clear again and again :)
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Serbia had a great chance to commpromise 15 yrs ago with Rugova but they chose to send in the tanks. What a smart move that proved to be.
Now it's too late Mr. Tadic. Too much blood was spilled and life was lost.
That's why there will never be any negotiations.
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adić also stated Serbia and all its institutions are determined to fight organized crime, which along with groups of hooligans, and terrorist groups of ethnic Albanians in Kosovo, represents the greatest threat for the national security.
You call for compromise and yet don't miss a chance to call Albanians terrorists. How are you different from Milosevic?
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Mike if anyone moved to Sanxhak is the homo Srbs last 100 years.If you heard about History than look for a History book and you will find out that Sanxhak 100 years ago was pure Albanian.And the word itself mean nothing in serbian but means a lots of things in Albanian.You will taste the reality very soon.Almost 600 years of otoman empire and 100 years of serbian occupation and most of those places still speak Albanian.Dont do like you dont know because we are here to remind you.
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and here you have the reason why they are endangered:because of Serbia and its position toward independence..
(lili, 18 March 2010 16:53)
This position is constructed to dissolve your illusions about independence.
"The reason they're endangered.." what a rubbish from a "lady".
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Niall, interestingly you mentioned the Ulster Unionists. Apparantly, you don't know that they are fiercly on Serbs' side since they fought, just as the Royalist from Northern Ireland against Catholics (Croats), while Croats always support the Irish cause in the Northern Ireland conflict.
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while Croats always support the Irish cause in the Northern Ireland conflict.
(Kim, 18 March 2010 21:25)
--
Are you sure about that? As a Serbian, I support a united Ireland.
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The president speaks about some kind of limited freedom for Serbs in Kosova while such thing does not appear in any report of interna. organisations operating in Kosova. NADA.
In the same time he speaks about compromise. The word compromise sounds as a call from a reasonable man for a reasonable solution.
And yet the same "reasonable" man invents inexistent things as endangered K-Serbs and "forgets" the obvious fact wich is repeated in ALL reports of UN Sec General:
in Kosova the freedom of movement is limited ONL to the Albanians in north Kosova where the "reasonable" man of above is keeping his hooligans.
P.S. Mike: it is obvious to everyone that to you Serbs one gives you finger you take the arm. We gaved you 9 municipalities. But the number is 3:3. Serbia takes the 3 Serbs municipalities in north and Kosova the 3 municipalities in the east.
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"Tic Tak, Tic Tak, the clock is ticking for Serbia. Guess who is going to have the last laugh???" (Kosova-USA)
-- Certainly not Pristina.
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Albanians and Serb used to live like brothers. They would get married with each-other. Even St Angelina of Serbia is from Albania. Let's live in peace.
(Drini, 18 March 2010 20:34)
Very nice comment Drini, respect.
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Im not a big fan of Tadic but he is correctly playing the game.
EU is not for Serbia, we don't need to be governed by Germany!
Vojislav all the way!
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k-usa said..."Tic Tak, Tic Tak, the clock is ticking for Serbia. Guess who is going to have the last laugh???"
Tic Tak?
http://www.twikeodream.com/images/7910567tictac_mint_1.jpg
Tick Tock?
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_rvaAL1L_55s/SQ9WOLpPjiI/AAAAAAAAF1w/SKM0fNz6_5o/s400/tick+tock+clock.jpg
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"P.S. Mike: it is obvious to everyone that to you Serbs one gives you finger you take the arm. We gaved you 9 municipalities. But the number is 3:3. Serbia takes the 3 Serbs municipalities in north and Kosova the 3 municipalities in the east."
-- Why should they? They own the three you want, and they control the three you think you have. They can easily keep the 9 and the 3 while writing off the rest in the name of "compromise". What can you offer that you *control* that they *want*?
(ben)
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NK - again, a KA who is quite capable of stating that KAs cannot accept to live under Serb rule, but then demands in all seriousness that K Serbs must accept Albanian rule. Is the word irony even in your vocab?
Anyway, Tadic is offering a real chance to break the deadlock. Pristina should take it. Give up the north for full independence for the rest. This is as good a deal as it gets.
As for Presevo, forget it. The price of ensuring security for K Serbs living below the Ibar is an Albanian population in Serbia. The EU will want to also make sure that there is some fiction of multiethnicity.
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President Tadiç is right: a sustainable solution must be found. I push the envelope: the day Serbia will recognize Kosovo the situation of Serbs in Kosovo will immediately be excellent. Paying Kosovo's Serbs just not to cooperate with the Kosovo's authorities is the best way to worsen their situation. As clear as it gets.
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“You see Mike you Serbs always base your judgments on arrogance and force. You have the control so nothing to discuss. So to follow your logic we have control of Kosova in all 9-3 municipalities so why should we discus with you???” (ben)
-- Who’s the one using arrogance and force? You’re the one calling for a land swap for something you don’t have but want, with something you don’t want and don’t have and then following it up with threats of additional irredentist movements if you don’t get your Diaspora way. “Arrogance and force” on my part would have been warranted had I called for the forceful taking back of all of Kosovo. I never said that. You’re going to have to learn to live with the fact that Preševo is out of your control, just as Serbia is going to have to learn to live with the fact RS (and large parts of Kosovo) is out of theirs, and the international community is just going to keep it that way. What’s the attachment to Preševo anyway? You from there? And I would have thought by now you realize I’m NOT Serbian, but American. Not even Serbian-American. Sad but true, there’s not a drop of blood of that noble race in me.
”Thus you Serbs must learn that the arrogance will bring you nothing good. And as someone said before if you want trouble you can get it very easily: we can support the nationalist in Sandzak for e.g. of course on the top of Presheva valley.” (ben)
-- So it’s interesting you spend all this time mashing out some hastily crafted comment about Serbian arrogance and then throw out empty threats of secessionist movements in Preševo and now in Sandžak as well. Kosovo can’t even control its own territory, so calling for additional irredentist movements is sort of premature, don’t you think? Besides, Washington wouldn't really like that tone coming from Pristina.
”And last do you think that your chicken thieves from north Kosova are posing any serious military challenge to us???” (ben)
-- See, now you’re just losing it. Calm down Ben. Serbs in the north don’t need to steal anything since they can get all their stuff from the rest of Serbia. Northern Kosovo is posing no “threat” to you, yet for whatever reason the dog wagers in Priština like to create this illusion it’s the sole reason for Kosovo’s instability and diaspora Albanian that love to play soldier dream about storming areas they claim for their own but have never been there. Any normal K Albanian WHO LIVES THERE couldn’t care less about northern Kosovo. You’re fantasizing about an Albanian “force” that not only doesn’t exist, but has no capability of getting what you want. If you read my comment carefully, you’d see that I was trying to rationalize the cantonization of the region in an effort to let everyone live their own lives without the threat of someone else screwing it up for them. That’s what “compromise” is all about. Instead of trying to go for the whole pie, accept what you currently have and share. Apparently, this is a new thing for lots of Albanians. Or at least the hyper nationalists of the Diaspora.
I really can’t understand what’s so horrible for you to accept: Serbs mind their own affairs while Albanians mind theirs in Kosovo. What’s wrong with that? Mashing out empty statements about how Albanians are so awesome and Serbs are so stupid doesn’t do anything for me, and certainly doesn’t do anything for your argument.
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Serbia's "compromise" solution would be spliting Kosovo/a first and recognise Kosovo/a after.
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WAR, CALAMITY, HELL ON EARTH BUT NEVER EVER NEGOTIATION.
(Bekim, 18 March 2010 17:49)
You would write this with even bigger letters if it was possible, wouldn't you!
I know all of you very well.. You would not be able to have a war with us, never. Never!
It would be a single sided intervention like it was before. We've never been in war with you and previously was just an intervention and 1999 NATO bombing of Yugoslavia. War is something else and you don't want war with us. Deep inside you know that very well.
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Tadic said: "“Serbia does not accept and it does not recognize the independence of Kosovo, and it shall not recognize it, so there is no need for anyone to try to persuade us to do that, or blackmail us, because that is mission impossible,”
Oh dear!Why cry "compromise" then?
(miri)
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To bring realization to you guys that Belgrade is your government. :)
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"If you heard about History than look for a History book and you will find out that Sanxhak 100 years ago was pure Albanian." (ProAlb)
-- I've heard lots about history, and nothing was ever mentioned anything about homo albanicus settling in Sandzak. But since you probably also hold to the belief that homo albanicus is as old as protoplasm, I’m sure at one point some Dardanian got lost and died in what is now Sandzak, leading a number of Albanian archaeologists to definitively conclude the region, along with most of Europe west of the Urals is occupied Albanian land that’s ready to be liberated by a bunch of angry pizza flippers from Brooklyn.
"And the word itself mean nothing in serbian but means a lots of things in Albanian."
-- Like what? And I always thought Sandzak was a Turkish word, which the Serbs do not dispute. But since you're making this all up, where are the Albanian monuments in Sandzak to testify to your presence there? Let me guess. Xenu took them back to the Galactic Confederacy along with all the Dardanian palaces in Kosovo.
"You will taste the reality very soon."
-- Yawn. How goes the effort to liberate Ioannia? You making any headroads in Niš as well?
"Almost 600 years of otoman empire and 100 years of serbian occupation and most of those places still speak Albanian."
-- So you're trying to say that 700 years ago, homo albanicus roamed the praries and mountains of Sandzak. Shouldn't that be time to get over its loss? Even if they did, they did a poor job defending it. If there are any Albanians in Sandzak, they comprise less than 5%. I doubt you've ever been there. What do you call Novi Pazar? No one speaks Albanian there.
"Dont do like you dont know because we are here to remind you."
-- I'm sure you are. But sadly no one cares to hear about a history you concocted over a video game. Now run along like a good little boy and play outside. Your parents probably want their computer back.
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I admire Mr Tadic's stubbornness in hitting the head against the wall. Mr Tadic will eventually leave, and maybe the successor will be more rational and decide to open the Serbian embassy in Pristina. That's how I see the future of these beloved neighbors. Mr Tadic will also go to Brdo as the President of Serbia as will Mr Fatmir Sejdiu go to Brdo as the President of Kosovo. Aren't you people fed up with this! Cut the blah blah! How many more years to go? 10, 20, 100. Kosovo will never again become part of Serbia. It's done. Period. Thank you!
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No ben. What I'm trying to say is that while I understand what you're saying, Presevo NOT IN KOSOVO. We are talking about KOSOVO only because that's the entity that's under the spotlight for "compromise". Presevo Valley, like RS, northwestern Macedonia and anyplace else are all pie in the sky ideas too many people have without any pragmatic merit. Were Presevo part of Kosovo then yes, I'd say by all means keep at least the Presevo municipality in Kosovo. But it's not and therefore doesn't fall into the equation.
So if we're dealing with Kosovo only, then we go municipality by municipality and decide. Serb municipalities remain under Belgrade with the guarantee of Pristina's non-interference. Albanian municipalities stay under Pristina with the guarantee of Belgrade's non-interference (which is pretty much what it is now). Agree to behave, keep EULEX as the nanny chaperone, and we all remain happy (or at least put on a good game face). Presevo remains in Serbia, just as RS remains in Bosnia. If this deal actually produces something good, there's always the possibility of Presevo and RS strenthening their ties to their respective "countries" at some later point.
The minute we screw with Presevo, the Albanians of Macedonia will want in on the deal, as well as the Serbs of RS. Keep it in Kosovo since that's the area under scrutiny.
I hope that clears up any misunderstandings.
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"Almost 600 years of otoman empire and 100 years of serbian occupation and most of those places [in Sandzak]still speak Albanian.Dont do like you dont know because we are here to remind you." (ProAlb)
-- Checking the map, I can now totally understand how the Slavic populations are ready to drown in a sea of Albanian blue. Which is in Montenegro.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/48/Raska02i03.png
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"Almost 600 years of otoman empire and 100 years of serbian occupation and most of those places [in Sandzak]still speak Albanian.Dont do like you dont know because we are here to remind you." (ProAlb)
Not "still", but "becouse" 600 years of Ottoman occupation of serbian lands, here live Albanians, who comes on the place of expelled Serbs. If You check old Ottoman censuses - You will see, that region was SERBIAN SPEAKING!!
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(Mike, 19 March 2010 16:41)
you write a long theatrical post of the "noble" nation style and yet you finish with saying:
1. if K-A don't want to live within Serbia that’s OK but
2. If K-Serbs of THE NORTH (3 municps NOT 9 ok????) do not want to live within Kosova then they should be respected too.
And I say fine with 1 and 2 BUT
you must respect that Albanian in Presheva valley do not want to live in Serbia just as K-S in Kosova.
So it is a question of principals and fairness that you simply lack. You need to put the point 3: Presheva valley so you can have some credibility when you cry for K-S.
The fact who controls what is not an issue when you discuss about: compromise, values, fairness, moral etc. OK??? is it so hard to get it???
But it seams you don't understand this: you prefer the arrogance and prgamaticity of the force. Said but true as you would say.
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"One is that (ethnic) Albanians in Kosovo do not wish to live under Serbia's sovereign roof, and the other reality is that Serbs in Kosovo do not wish to live under the sovereign roof of the so-called independent Kosovo". "
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This is Tadic asking for the partition that Dodik mentioned. There's another reality Tadic, Presevo area does not want to live under Serbian rule either.
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Do the right thing Mr President, Recognise the Independent Kosovo/a, and move on for the better of Western Ballkan's,if you don't the US and Eu will soon or later "TELL" you to do so
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Serbia will never recognise "Kosova" as independent because it never will become independent. That's not a reality Serbia has to face but one ethnic Albanians need to. The three choices are:
1. Live in prison camp "Kosova"
2. War
3. Negotiate lasting peace and prosperity for the province
What will it be?
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serbia kosovo federation is the best compromise but unfortunately serbia wants the land but but not the people
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Tadic said: "“Serbia does not accept and it does not recognize the independence of Kosovo, and it shall not recognize it, so there is no need for anyone to try to persuade us to do that, or blackmail us, because that is mission impossible,”
Oh dear!Why cry "compromise" then?
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Mr.Tadic is right on the money again-albanians are the biggest threat to security.With the tool of president(Thaci) whose picture is still on interpols most wanted list-how could anyone expect not to feel secure..
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nightstalker,
Presevo is part of Serbia and if the inhabitants don't want to be part of Serbia, then they are free to move to another country.
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The Serb people in Kosovo are absolutely the most endangered people in modern day Europe," Tadić stated.
“Serbia does not accept and it does not recognize the independence of Kosovo, and it shall not recognize it,
and here you have the reason why they are endangered:because of Serbia and its position toward independence..
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"and here you have the reason why they are endangered:because of Serbia and its position toward independence."
lili
So because Serbia doesn't recognize Kosovo its people should be harrassed and killed and have their property destroyed. Listen to what you are saying! If I don't agree with you I should suffer! Albanian democracy!!! Kosovo is Serbian! And, NO, we will never ever recognize it as anything else.
Kosovo jam Serbe!
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1. Live in prison camp "Kosova"
2. War
3. Negotiate lasting peace and prosperity for the province
What will it be?
(Zoran, 18 March 2010 14:57)
1. No one is living in prison camp, but for very first time after decades of prison they are free of any oppression.
2. WAR??? No human being in right mind will ask for war, but if war is imposed on K-Albanians again, then so be it.
3. Negotiate for the price of weed,rakija, vegetables,plazma keks and other goods,. I say YES, pronto.
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Oh now you want negotiations,we Albanians have been asking for over 100 years of negotiations and you pretended that you did not hear us.We can negotiate for the Autonomy of Albanian region of Sanxhak and Preshevo Valley,what do you think about that ah !Dont do like you don*t hear .
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Albanians and Serb used to live like brothers. They would get married with each-other. Even St Angelina of Serbia is from Albania. Let's live in peace.
(Drini, 18 March 2010 20:34)
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Yes, yes, under the Serbian flag of course.
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What a kind of compromise does he want? Since in Belgrade an around Serbia war criminals are still free, when still Serbia is financing radicals in Kosovo to destabilize the region, using arguments from 19. century to justify his claim over Kosovo and with every official daclaration they are threating Kosovo and his people, is there any free space fro a compromise Mr Tadic? I think not, so stop to justify your aggressive policy and accept the reality in Kosovo and eminently in Serbia.
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This speech is nothing but a pure racism; …Albanians in Kosovo, represents the greatest threat for the national security!!!
What does this individual think? That is a big question. However we (Albanaians) are fully aware of his intentions, not long ago we have been qualified by the same place as a threat to security, terrorists, irredentists and so on; you all know the rest of the story. By the way, let us recall riots of 17 and 18 March of 2004 and 17 / 18/ 19/ …. March, April, May …of 1997, 1998, 1999 over the same Albanians, then qualified as a national threat etc…
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Now your want presevo valley too? You'll never get it :)
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Here we go again the Serb Camp makes an elementary mistake. Hashim Thaci is not President of Kosovo, he is the premier or the Prime Minister. Just last week you guys assumed FM Meta was from Kosovo.
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"We can negotiate for the Autonomy of Albanian region of Sanxhak"
-- Silly Albanian nationalist. If you're referring to Sandzak, the Muslim Slavs living there have nothing in common with Albanians, probably don't want to live with you, and really don't want to be sucked into Kosovo-UNMIK.
And when did homo albanicus ever settle there?
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"Tic Tak, Tic Tak, the clock is ticking for Serbia. Guess who is going to have the last laugh???" (Kosova-USA)
-- Certainly not Pristina.
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x1. Live in prison camp "Kosova"
2. War
3. Negotiate lasting peace and prosperity for the province
What will it be?
(Zoran, 18 March 2010 14:57)
WAR, CALAMITY, HELL ON EARTH BUT NEVER EVER NEGOTIATION.
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adić also stated Serbia and all its institutions are determined to fight organized crime, which along with groups of hooligans, and terrorist groups of ethnic Albanians in Kosovo, represents the greatest threat for the national security.
You call for compromise and yet don't miss a chance to call Albanians terrorists. How are you different from Milosevic?
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Tadic's message may not be warmly received in every corner, but he certainly knows what to say and how to say it.
Juxtapose Tadic's comment on the 2004 anti-Serb progroms with those of Kostunica yesterday. Rather than say it's an attempt to destroy anything and anyone not part of homo albanicus, Tadic's is simply saying the general propensity for violence is still apparent.
Calling for a "compromise" is exactly what the EUrocrats want to hear and the notion that Belgrade will be the reasonable one after the ICJ ruling recognizes the ambiguity of Kosovo-UNMIK's sovereignty, there stands to be a good chance for a reconfiguration of the mandate's internal administration. I really can't see why there should be any objection to Belgrade retaining authority over the now 9 Serbian municipalities while Pristina retains authority over the Albanian parts. You don't want to live with them and they don't want to live with you. This isn't rocket science. At the end of the day, Belgrade still makes the sacrifice of writing off large parts of Kosovo in order to retain what "reality" dictates is still their own.
Live and let live.
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Tic Tak, Tic Tak, the clock is ticking for Serbia. Guess who is going to have the last laugh???
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The president speaks about some kind of limited freedom for Serbs in Kosova while such thing does not appear in any report of interna. organisations operating in Kosova. NADA.
In the same time he speaks about compromise. The word compromise sounds as a call from a reasonable man for a reasonable solution.
And yet the same "reasonable" man invents inexistent things as endangered K-Serbs and "forgets" the obvious fact wich is repeated in ALL reports of UN Sec General:
in Kosova the freedom of movement is limited ONL to the Albanians in north Kosova where the "reasonable" man of above is keeping his hooligans.
P.S. Mike: it is obvious to everyone that to you Serbs one gives you finger you take the arm. We gaved you 9 municipalities. But the number is 3:3. Serbia takes the 3 Serbs municipalities in north and Kosova the 3 municipalities in the east.
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and here you have the reason why they are endangered:because of Serbia and its position toward independence..
(lili, 18 March 2010 16:53)
This position is constructed to dissolve your illusions about independence.
"The reason they're endangered.." what a rubbish from a "lady".
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Niall, interestingly you mentioned the Ulster Unionists. Apparantly, you don't know that they are fiercly on Serbs' side since they fought, just as the Royalist from Northern Ireland against Catholics (Croats), while Croats always support the Irish cause in the Northern Ireland conflict.
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-- Why should they? They own the three you want, and they control the three you think you have. They can easily keep the 9 and the 3 while writing off the rest in the name of "compromise". What can you offer that you *control* that they *want*?
(Mike, 18 March 2010 22:29)
You see Mike you Serbs always base your judgments on arrogance and force. You have the control so nothing to discuss. So to follow your logic we have control of Kosova in all 9-3 municipalities so why should we discus with you???
Well what is the most interesting thing is that you forget that entire Kosova WAS under your control but you lost it.
So you can lose Presheva valley also.
Everything what you Serbs are doing in the 3 (three) northern municip we Albanians can do it easily in the 3 municp. of Presheva valley.
Thus you Serbs must learn that the arrogance will bring you nothing good. And as someone said before if you want trouble you can get it very easily: we can support the nationalist in Sandzak for e.g. of course on the top of Presheva valley.
And last do you think that your chicken thieves from north Kosova are posing any serious military challenge to us???
Each time when you hear our leaders saying: we will not apply force in the north Kosova you take it as weakness instead of a mature democratic decision. But you never get it right anyhow.
You Serbs love to say never: you were saying that also for Kosova but look where we are now. You always play for ‘all or nothing’ but usually you get nothing: Kosova, Croatia, soon Bosnia.
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Seems mr.tadic is in serious troble..but at the same time is still the best option for EU...a real conudrum...
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WAR, CALAMITY, HELL ON EARTH BUT NEVER EVER NEGOTIATION.
(Bekim, 18 March 2010 17:49)
I take it you went to the Ulster Unionist-Rev Ian Paisley School of Diplomacy. Well in the end, the very good Reverend along with his flock had to conceed reality and say yes just like the man from Del Monte.
You lot will no doubt be forced reality and go back to the table with Messrs Tadic, Jeremic and Dacic.
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NK - again, a KA who is quite capable of stating that KAs cannot accept to live under Serb rule, but then demands in all seriousness that K Serbs must accept Albanian rule. Is the word irony even in your vocab?
Anyway, Tadic is offering a real chance to break the deadlock. Pristina should take it. Give up the north for full independence for the rest. This is as good a deal as it gets.
As for Presevo, forget it. The price of ensuring security for K Serbs living below the Ibar is an Albanian population in Serbia. The EU will want to also make sure that there is some fiction of multiethnicity.
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Mike if anyone moved to Sanxhak is the homo Srbs last 100 years.If you heard about History than look for a History book and you will find out that Sanxhak 100 years ago was pure Albanian.And the word itself mean nothing in serbian but means a lots of things in Albanian.You will taste the reality very soon.Almost 600 years of otoman empire and 100 years of serbian occupation and most of those places still speak Albanian.Dont do like you dont know because we are here to remind you.
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"We are ready to, after the ICJ decision (on the legality of the UDI), reach compromise through dialogue," Tadić told the news agency.
“Serbia does not accept and it does not recognize the independence of Kosovo, and it shall not recognize it, so there is no need for anyone to try to persuade us to do that, or blackmail us, because that is mission impossible,” the president stated.
-- Why would anyone believe anything you say when in the same speech you say two things, about the same topic, that are so diametrically opposed to each other?
I am collecting funds to buy Serb officials a dictionary that contains only the definition of the word COMPROMISE as the rest of the world understands it. Obviously in Belgrade compromise means something is called a compromise only if it contains all of Serbia's wishes.
To those claiming Albanians are destabilizing factor; have you noticed that since Serbia has been punished there has been no war in the Balkans while when it wasn't there were plenty of wars in the same decade? Doesn't then military isolation of Serbia equal peace? Its been equaling peace for at least 11 years now. Shouldn't then that be the formula for peace in the balkans? Peace = military containment of Serbia and military punishment when it doesn't follow the rules.
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Im not a big fan of Tadic but he is correctly playing the game.
EU is not for Serbia, we don't need to be governed by Germany!
Vojislav all the way!
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Serbia had a great chance to commpromise 15 yrs ago with Rugova but they chose to send in the tanks. What a smart move that proved to be.
Now it's too late Mr. Tadic. Too much blood was spilled and life was lost.
That's why there will never be any negotiations.
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“Tadić also stated Serbia and all its institutions are determined to fight organized crime, which along with groups of hooligans, and the ethnic Albanians in Kosovo, represents the greatest threat for the national security.”
So, Mr. Tadic, what are you going to do about it? You can fight the organized crime and hooliganism, imprison the criminals and hooligans, but can you do the same with the ethnic Albanians in Kosovo? If you consider Albanians in Kosovo as one of the biggest threats for the national security, how do you think you can make them live under your rule??!!
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while Croats always support the Irish cause in the Northern Ireland conflict.
(Kim, 18 March 2010 21:25)
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Are you sure about that? As a Serbian, I support a united Ireland.
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Serbia's "compromise" solution would be spliting Kosovo/a first and recognise Kosovo/a after.
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We all know that what you want is partition: 'let's grab as much as we can'.
But the key word is exchange. And you have a deal.
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Albanians and Serb used to live like brothers. They would get married with each-other. Even St Angelina of Serbia is from Albania. Let's live in peace.
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k-usa said..."Tic Tak, Tic Tak, the clock is ticking for Serbia. Guess who is going to have the last laugh???"
Tic Tak?
http://www.twikeodream.com/images/7910567tictac_mint_1.jpg
Tick Tock?
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_rvaAL1L_55s/SQ9WOLpPjiI/AAAAAAAAF1w/SKM0fNz6_5o/s400/tick+tock+clock.jpg
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"P.S. Mike: it is obvious to everyone that to you Serbs one gives you finger you take the arm. We gaved you 9 municipalities. But the number is 3:3. Serbia takes the 3 Serbs municipalities in north and Kosova the 3 municipalities in the east."
-- Why should they? They own the three you want, and they control the three you think you have. They can easily keep the 9 and the 3 while writing off the rest in the name of "compromise". What can you offer that you *control* that they *want*?
(ben)
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I think that the best solution would be Serbia to recognize Kosovo and Kosovo to guarantee all the rights for Serbs living in Kosovo.
I just don't think that there is other way around. No Albanians want to live in one country with Serbia. We all know what happened on 98-99, I am sure no one wants that to happen ever again.
Let's move on with our lives.
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Niall, interestingly you mentioned the Ulster Unionists. Apparantly, you don't know that they are fiercly on Serbs' side since they fought, just as the Royalist from Northern Ireland against Catholics (Croats), while Croats always support the Irish cause in the Northern Ireland conflict.
(Kim, 18 March 2010 21:25)
Hi Kim, Ulster Unionists are the most loyal and supportive of the UK armed forces that they give them unquestionable allegiance no matter what war they fight in. They never organised any anti war protests for the wars in YU and Iraq. Your kin also support and received support from numerous and odious right wing regimes like Israel and the old apartheid South Africa.
As for the Croats, well it is well known that they do support Irish nationalists but the support I can assure you is not reciprocated especially amoungst Irish Republican Socialists like myself who regard Croatian nationalism with nothing but the contempt it deserves.
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Albanians and Serb used to live like brothers. They would get married with each-other. Even St Angelina of Serbia is from Albania. Let's live in peace.
(Drini, 18 March 2010 20:34)
===…==
Yes, yes, under the Serbian flag of course.
(Peggy, 19 March 2010 02:53)
Excellent post Peggy.
it simply makes it clear why the independence Kosova is the only solution.
Why should Kosovars take your arrogance anymore??? Nice that you make that clear again and again :)
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I admire Mr Tadic's stubbornness in hitting the head against the wall. Mr Tadic will eventually leave, and maybe the successor will be more rational and decide to open the Serbian embassy in Pristina. That's how I see the future of these beloved neighbors. Mr Tadic will also go to Brdo as the President of Serbia as will Mr Fatmir Sejdiu go to Brdo as the President of Kosovo. Aren't you people fed up with this! Cut the blah blah! How many more years to go? 10, 20, 100. Kosovo will never again become part of Serbia. It's done. Period. Thank you!
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President Tadiç is right: a sustainable solution must be found. I push the envelope: the day Serbia will recognize Kosovo the situation of Serbs in Kosovo will immediately be excellent. Paying Kosovo's Serbs just not to cooperate with the Kosovo's authorities is the best way to worsen their situation. As clear as it gets.
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Presevo is part of Serbia and if the inhabitants don't want to be part of Serbia, then they are free to move to another country.
(Another Canadian Serb, 18 March 2010 15:00)
Maybe Canada???
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“You see Mike you Serbs always base your judgments on arrogance and force. You have the control so nothing to discuss. So to follow your logic we have control of Kosova in all 9-3 municipalities so why should we discus with you???” (ben)
-- Who’s the one using arrogance and force? You’re the one calling for a land swap for something you don’t have but want, with something you don’t want and don’t have and then following it up with threats of additional irredentist movements if you don’t get your Diaspora way. “Arrogance and force” on my part would have been warranted had I called for the forceful taking back of all of Kosovo. I never said that. You’re going to have to learn to live with the fact that Preševo is out of your control, just as Serbia is going to have to learn to live with the fact RS (and large parts of Kosovo) is out of theirs, and the international community is just going to keep it that way. What’s the attachment to Preševo anyway? You from there? And I would have thought by now you realize I’m NOT Serbian, but American. Not even Serbian-American. Sad but true, there’s not a drop of blood of that noble race in me.
”Thus you Serbs must learn that the arrogance will bring you nothing good. And as someone said before if you want trouble you can get it very easily: we can support the nationalist in Sandzak for e.g. of course on the top of Presheva valley.” (ben)
-- So it’s interesting you spend all this time mashing out some hastily crafted comment about Serbian arrogance and then throw out empty threats of secessionist movements in Preševo and now in Sandžak as well. Kosovo can’t even control its own territory, so calling for additional irredentist movements is sort of premature, don’t you think? Besides, Washington wouldn't really like that tone coming from Pristina.
”And last do you think that your chicken thieves from north Kosova are posing any serious military challenge to us???” (ben)
-- See, now you’re just losing it. Calm down Ben. Serbs in the north don’t need to steal anything since they can get all their stuff from the rest of Serbia. Northern Kosovo is posing no “threat” to you, yet for whatever reason the dog wagers in Priština like to create this illusion it’s the sole reason for Kosovo’s instability and diaspora Albanian that love to play soldier dream about storming areas they claim for their own but have never been there. Any normal K Albanian WHO LIVES THERE couldn’t care less about northern Kosovo. You’re fantasizing about an Albanian “force” that not only doesn’t exist, but has no capability of getting what you want. If you read my comment carefully, you’d see that I was trying to rationalize the cantonization of the region in an effort to let everyone live their own lives without the threat of someone else screwing it up for them. That’s what “compromise” is all about. Instead of trying to go for the whole pie, accept what you currently have and share. Apparently, this is a new thing for lots of Albanians. Or at least the hyper nationalists of the Diaspora.
I really can’t understand what’s so horrible for you to accept: Serbs mind their own affairs while Albanians mind theirs in Kosovo. What’s wrong with that? Mashing out empty statements about how Albanians are so awesome and Serbs are so stupid doesn’t do anything for me, and certainly doesn’t do anything for your argument.
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WAR, CALAMITY, HELL ON EARTH BUT NEVER EVER NEGOTIATION.
(Bekim, 18 March 2010 17:49)
You would write this with even bigger letters if it was possible, wouldn't you!
I know all of you very well.. You would not be able to have a war with us, never. Never!
It would be a single sided intervention like it was before. We've never been in war with you and previously was just an intervention and 1999 NATO bombing of Yugoslavia. War is something else and you don't want war with us. Deep inside you know that very well.
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"Almost 600 years of otoman empire and 100 years of serbian occupation and most of those places [in Sandzak]still speak Albanian.Dont do like you dont know because we are here to remind you." (ProAlb)
-- Checking the map, I can now totally understand how the Slavic populations are ready to drown in a sea of Albanian blue. Which is in Montenegro.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/48/Raska02i03.png
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Albanians and Serb used to live like brothers. They would get married with each-other. Even St Angelina of Serbia is from Albania. Let's live in peace.
(Drini, 18 March 2010 20:34)
Very nice comment Drini, respect.
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Tadic said: "“Serbia does not accept and it does not recognize the independence of Kosovo, and it shall not recognize it, so there is no need for anyone to try to persuade us to do that, or blackmail us, because that is mission impossible,”
Oh dear!Why cry "compromise" then?
(miri)
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To bring realization to you guys that Belgrade is your government. :)
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(Mike, 19 March 2010 16:41)
you write a long theatrical post of the "noble" nation style and yet you finish with saying:
1. if K-A don't want to live within Serbia that’s OK but
2. If K-Serbs of THE NORTH (3 municps NOT 9 ok????) do not want to live within Kosova then they should be respected too.
And I say fine with 1 and 2 BUT
you must respect that Albanian in Presheva valley do not want to live in Serbia just as K-S in Kosova.
So it is a question of principals and fairness that you simply lack. You need to put the point 3: Presheva valley so you can have some credibility when you cry for K-S.
The fact who controls what is not an issue when you discuss about: compromise, values, fairness, moral etc. OK??? is it so hard to get it???
But it seams you don't understand this: you prefer the arrogance and prgamaticity of the force. Said but true as you would say.
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No ben. What I'm trying to say is that while I understand what you're saying, Presevo NOT IN KOSOVO. We are talking about KOSOVO only because that's the entity that's under the spotlight for "compromise". Presevo Valley, like RS, northwestern Macedonia and anyplace else are all pie in the sky ideas too many people have without any pragmatic merit. Were Presevo part of Kosovo then yes, I'd say by all means keep at least the Presevo municipality in Kosovo. But it's not and therefore doesn't fall into the equation.
So if we're dealing with Kosovo only, then we go municipality by municipality and decide. Serb municipalities remain under Belgrade with the guarantee of Pristina's non-interference. Albanian municipalities stay under Pristina with the guarantee of Belgrade's non-interference (which is pretty much what it is now). Agree to behave, keep EULEX as the nanny chaperone, and we all remain happy (or at least put on a good game face). Presevo remains in Serbia, just as RS remains in Bosnia. If this deal actually produces something good, there's always the possibility of Presevo and RS strenthening their ties to their respective "countries" at some later point.
The minute we screw with Presevo, the Albanians of Macedonia will want in on the deal, as well as the Serbs of RS. Keep it in Kosovo since that's the area under scrutiny.
I hope that clears up any misunderstandings.
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"If you heard about History than look for a History book and you will find out that Sanxhak 100 years ago was pure Albanian." (ProAlb)
-- I've heard lots about history, and nothing was ever mentioned anything about homo albanicus settling in Sandzak. But since you probably also hold to the belief that homo albanicus is as old as protoplasm, I’m sure at one point some Dardanian got lost and died in what is now Sandzak, leading a number of Albanian archaeologists to definitively conclude the region, along with most of Europe west of the Urals is occupied Albanian land that’s ready to be liberated by a bunch of angry pizza flippers from Brooklyn.
"And the word itself mean nothing in serbian but means a lots of things in Albanian."
-- Like what? And I always thought Sandzak was a Turkish word, which the Serbs do not dispute. But since you're making this all up, where are the Albanian monuments in Sandzak to testify to your presence there? Let me guess. Xenu took them back to the Galactic Confederacy along with all the Dardanian palaces in Kosovo.
"You will taste the reality very soon."
-- Yawn. How goes the effort to liberate Ioannia? You making any headroads in Niš as well?
"Almost 600 years of otoman empire and 100 years of serbian occupation and most of those places still speak Albanian."
-- So you're trying to say that 700 years ago, homo albanicus roamed the praries and mountains of Sandzak. Shouldn't that be time to get over its loss? Even if they did, they did a poor job defending it. If there are any Albanians in Sandzak, they comprise less than 5%. I doubt you've ever been there. What do you call Novi Pazar? No one speaks Albanian there.
"Dont do like you dont know because we are here to remind you."
-- I'm sure you are. But sadly no one cares to hear about a history you concocted over a video game. Now run along like a good little boy and play outside. Your parents probably want their computer back.
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"Almost 600 years of otoman empire and 100 years of serbian occupation and most of those places [in Sandzak]still speak Albanian.Dont do like you dont know because we are here to remind you." (ProAlb)
Not "still", but "becouse" 600 years of Ottoman occupation of serbian lands, here live Albanians, who comes on the place of expelled Serbs. If You check old Ottoman censuses - You will see, that region was SERBIAN SPEAKING!!
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