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Monday, 15.03.2010.

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"Serbia goes only where 1244 is respected"

President Boris Tadić says Serbia will take part in all regional forums where Kosovo's presence is treated in line with the UN Resolution 1244.

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Milan

pre 14 godina

Zmaj - what standards are you talking about?
(Olf, 17 March 2010 05:15)

Same standards like for rest of Europe. If for USA, UK or Germany Abkhazia, Ossetia, Karabakh, Transnistria, Northern Cyprus, Srbska are not states and territorial integrity of Georgia, Azerbaijan, Moldova, Cyprus and Bosnia is defending by them - why same states refused to defend Serbia territorial integrity?? Serbia expecting nothing more, but same standards.

ZMAJ

pre 14 godina

Zmaj - what standards are you talking about?
(Olf, 17 March 2010 05:15)

Why don't you just return and read again- your own comments but mine, also. Even censured, with a sentences "not flowing" as it should you can conclude the essence.

Or you cannot?

Olf, I just know you're not bad guy and I believe you can try.

Standards? Out of standard in Germany is equal to rubbish.

Peggy

pre 14 godina

Wow, girl. Relax. This is an exchange of opinions. like it or not you have to show restrain and respect. If you ask Another Canadian Serb he thinks the opposite. Serbia is not Yugoslavia. Bash him over that.
(MJ, 16 March 2010 13:41)
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MJ, it is only an opinion in your mind nowhere else.
It is a fact which you and the rest of Albanians keep ignoring and writing here all the time which has become so irritating by now that respect is not warranted.
You will get respect when you deserve it, but by writing this garbage for the sole purpose of irritating here you will not get respect.

Respect is earned. When you write something sensinble you will get it.

trudsaam

pre 14 godina

@trudsaam

One of the characteristics of paranoiacs is jumping at conclusion when there is no or little evidence of a phenomenon.
Now you accused me of being ignorant, because YOU thought that I denied the existence of these so-called secret societies.
Where did I say that they do not exist. I merely dispute that any of these groups control what you read in the internet (or any group for that matter).
(Geni)
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What research have you come up with regarding these orgizations besides their homepage? Evidence is everywhere, not just the internet take some time and do some real reading. Good day :)

ZMAJ

pre 14 godina

There was never any dispute regarding Serbia's continuation of FRY.
(Zoran, 16 March 2010 16:46)

Nice.

This is the same information Olf is able to see on his screen but when he press "print" they print it from Pentagon. Read it here Olf.

ZMAJ

pre 14 godina

ZMAJ
I suggest you blog in IT sites since this is not IT site since you do not realise that.
Man 1244 is not an IP
(Olf, 16 March 2010 13:42)


1244 is the basic point of this argument. As obvious you do not know what it is, actually, who were the parties, their eventual and legal successors and you EVEN comment that!

If your comment was planned to be destructive and undermining to the subject.., than I'll be this what I am in my best. Otherwise, if I understand you're worth of commentating maybe I'll decide to reply fairly.

By now I saw you only undermining and itching, that's all. Well OK those are my waters, jump in if you like. There's no one Olf I'll leave alone here if He's obviously here to itch and than cry.

NO I'll not go to "the other site" but I'll stay here with you until you're "developed" under standards of this site.

REINSTALL YOUR "OPERATING", YOU'RE CONTROLLED MAN!

Zmaj,
You know the saying: he who holds a hammer sees solution to every problem through hammer. Buddy, world and life have more to it than just PC, IT...
(MJ, 16 March 2010 14:46)

MJ, you're the author of the most comment as of yesterday where you presented your personal version of "recognition map". You can always inform yourself using the same one computer you write your garbage. Here is the always accurate International Recognition Map of Kosovo Independence.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_recognition_of_Kosovo

As you can see it is dramatically different than poor tendency and partiality you "offered" us to swallow in your comment. Is there any possibility to be shallow like that?! Maybe I live with hummer but you're fishing with an empty hook! (you say- buddy)LOL. I'm not your buddy!

Zoran

pre 14 godina

Serbia is not the successor state to the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia (FRY) like Russia is to the USSR. Serbia created the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia with Montenegro in 1992.

UNSCR 1244 refers to FRY, which is now Serbia through a name change and the independence of Montenegro. There is no dispute here in legal circles. It is only the K-Albanian imagination that disputes it.

Here is a timeline of events:

1. The Federal Republic of Yugoslavia (FRY) was established on 28 April 1992 by Serbia and Montenegro.

2. UNSCR 1244 was adopted by the Security Council at its 4011th meeting, on 10 June 1999. This resolution refers to FRY (created 28 April 1992).

3. The Federal Republic of Yugoslavia, after applying for membership, was admitted to the UN on 1 November 2000.

4. On 4 February 2003, the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia had its official name changed to Serbia and Montenegro.

5. Montenegro declared itself independent from the Serbian and Montenegrin union on 3 June 2006.

6. On the same day, the President of Serbia informed the United Nations Secretary-General that the membership of Serbia and Montenegro in the UN was being continued by Serbia.

There was never any dispute regarding Serbia's continuation of FRY.

kate

pre 14 godina

MJ - It's not a point of view. It's a fact that Serbia is the legal successor state to Yugoslavia as confirmed by the UN. It's a legal issue.

MJ

pre 14 godina

Zmaj,
You know the saying: he who holds a hammer sees solution to every problem through hammer. Buddy, world and life have more to it than just PC, IT...

MJ

pre 14 godina

Seriously man, are you trying to annoy on purpose or are you just that ignorant? How many times do we have to point out to you and the rest of you who choose to ignore it, is that Serbia IS A SUCCESSOR TO YUGOSLAVIA! Why the heck do you keep writing the same garbage over and over?( Peggy, 16 March 2010 01:28)

Wow, girl. Relax. This is an exchange of opinions. like it or not you have to show restrain and respect. If you ask Another Canadian Serb he thinks the opposite. Serbia is not Yugoslavia. Bash him over that.

merlin

pre 14 godina

Well, Slovenia at the ICJ debate was on the side of those who said that 1244 was not violated by the declaration of independence, so from the point of view of Slovenia, 1244 is being respected. To be precise and not confuse people Tadic should have said "Serbia goes only where they think like Serbia about 1244". To be even more precise Tadic should have said: "we go wherever we feel like going".

NK

pre 14 godina

Still keep talking about is Kosovo that or this. Try to bring some facts both of you, because this is getting so boring.
Serbs get the idea that Kosovo is not a state, o well, let them live with it.
We all know is Kosovo a country or not.
If president won't attent any meeting where Kosovo goverment is present that is his wish. But I am affraid he won't be attending any meetings in Europe.

BBM

pre 14 godina

U.N is a big joke and should not be taken seriously, not that it ever has been. All of the sudden there is a trend to respect the "international law", when in reality none of the member or non-member nations do or ever did. U.N is all talk and no action.
"International laws" and the U.N are very good ideas but let's get real, they might as well not exist. These "laws" only exist in writing and are not implemented or enforced. On of the latest examples, Kosovo. And that's only the tip of the iceberg. So why would Kosovo government care if they are blocked by Russia or Serbia from joining this dysfunctional group?


Meanwhile, I hope Mr. Tadic enjoys his visits in Slovakia, Tanzania, Angola, Georgia, Argentina, Cyprus, Greece, Cuba, Russia, Bolivia, China, Belarus, Spain, Azerbaijan etc. Some of these places have nice beaches.

Peggy

pre 14 godina

Well Mr Tadic, Kosovo too goes only where its sovereignty is respected. (Pejoni, 15 March 2010 11:10)-

--…-- That doesn't leave you with many places to go then.( Peggy, 15 March 2010 12:33)

That is right. North America, Australia, 85% of Europe, some Latin countries, African and Asian. On the other hand Serbia gets to go all over Africa, Slovakia, Russia, Iran, North Korea, Venezuela, ...oh, I forgot Whateverstan.
(MJ, 15 March 2010 17:36)
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How about we simplify this. You get 1/3 of the world and Serbia gets the rest?

Peggy

pre 14 godina

I agree with the stance of Serbia diplomacy, but there is no more Yugoslavia and 1244 mentiones Yugoslavia not Serbia.
It is about time that Serbia starts identifying itself as Serbia not Yugoslavia.
(Olf, 15 March 2010 15:41)
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Seriously man, are you trying to annoy on purpose or are you just that ignorant?
How many times do we have to point out to you and the rest of you who choose to ignore it, is that Serbia IS A SUCCESSOR TO YUGOSLAVIA!

Why the heck do you keep writing the same garbage over and over?

Ron

pre 14 godina

Well Mr Tadic, Kosovo too goes only where its sovereignty is respected. (Pejoni, 15 March 2010 11:10)-

But Kosovo is a PROVINCE. Not a state. How come it is so hard to accept that reality!?

ZMAJ

pre 14 godina

Then it's done , you go visit Slovenia because Kosovo independence is fully legal.
(antekosova, 15 March 2010 19:11)

"Than it's done.." No one should be Graphologist and Psychologist to understand that even you're not sure my boy. How's that and why?

ZMAJ

pre 14 godina

Well Mr Tadic, Kosovo too goes only where its sovereignty is respected. (Pejoni, 15 March 2010 11:10)-

--…-- That doesn't leave you with many places to go then.( Peggy, 15 March 2010 12:33)

That is right. North America, Australia, 85% of Europe, some Latin countries, African and Asian. On the other hand Serbia gets to go all over Africa, Slovakia, Russia, Iran, North Korea, Venezuela, ...oh, I forgot Whateverstan.
(MJ, 15 March 2010 17:36)

You forgot a lot. You forgot so much that you should definitely defrag your memories. You were showing Ducks and the Elephant was behind your back. You failed!

Milan

pre 14 godina

That is right. North America, Australia, 85% of Europe, some Latin countries, African and Asian. On the other hand Serbia gets to go all over Africa, Slovakia, Russia, Iran, North Korea, Venezuela, ...oh, I forgot Whateverstan.
(MJ, 15 March 2010 17:36)
Is on the world some hypocrite states (USA, UK, Germany etc.). And some, who are under pressure of these hypocrites. But is doesn't matter. Serbia don't must be like these hypocrites and can defend their territorial integrity on the legal basis.

Staff

pre 14 godina

Dont the abanians see that they have lost. Kosovo is no more independent than my back yard. Kosovo will always be in limbo and Serbia will continue to block and block. I have understood during the years that Serbia will never ever give up Kosovo and I have also learnt that Kosovo will never ever be a country.

ZMAJ

pre 14 godina

AH ZMAJ, "they control the internet"
That's hilarious!
Who they?

* 1001 Club
* Bilderberg Group
* Bohemian Grove[40][41]
* Committee of 300
* Common Purpose
* Council on Foreign Relations
* Freemasonry (see Masonic conspiracy theories)[42]
* The Illuminati—Thought of as a secret group attempting to control the world.
* Le Cercle
* Nine Unknown Men
* Pilgrims Society
* Royal Institute of International Affairs
* Skull & Bones—This Yale University fraternity is often thought of as being a secret society producing many financial and political leaders who have control or seek to gain control.
* Trilateral Commission

It is another thing to be a skeptic and another thing to be paranoid.
(Geni, 15 March 2010 17:58)


AH GENI!!

You've managed to number EXACTLY one third of the subjects "forbidden" to enter my house in any media form!

Nice try, anyway!

Internet? Internet is VERY controlled my dear. BUT, if you go back opening more your beautiful eyes you'll probably find I never wrote about controlled Internet but Olf's computer (network settings are the part of his computer connectivity). Poor Olf, hope he'll fix those security vulnerabilities!

AH GENI, I'm sure your remote registry or SSDP discovery are turned ON. On my computer even TIME is turned OFF. Comparison= Whale/Amoeba.

I know one Mason from England BTW, nice guy- his wife also. Being Mason there it's like being black in Africa.., I always told him it's better to leave that and become MetArt member, truth! His wife would appreciate better! LOL!

Geni

pre 14 godina

@trudsaam

One of the characteristics of paranoiacs is jumping at conclusion when there is no or little evidence of a phenomenon.
Now you accused me of being ignorant, because YOU thought that I denied the existence of these so-called secret societies.
Where did I say that they do not exist. I merely dispute that any of these groups control what you read in the internet (or any group for that matter).

pss

pre 14 godina

Then why is Serbia being withheld EU entry because Mladic has not been apprehended, when Mladic represented Yugoslavia.

This can also be said about the apprehended 58 out of the 60 wanted Hague Crime Suspects.

Or do you selectively pick and choose what suits your own needs.

You see Olf, it is people like you along with the EU that will not let Serbs separate from Yugoslavia.
(Another Canadian Serb, 15 March 2010 16:42)
The answer to that question is quite simple my friend, it is because the world and Serbia all believe Mladic is hiding in present day Serbia aided by present day Serbians not in a non existent Yugoslavia.

trudsaam

pre 14 godina

It is another thing to be a skeptic and another thing to be paranoid.
(Geni)
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Your ignorance is mirror of your paranoia, so be careful who you direct this statement to. You saying none of these organizations exist?

ZMAJ

pre 14 godina

If we would sing the song, we wouldnt declared our Independence in the first place.
(Pejoni, 15 March 2010 16:07)

Backwards, you'll sing that song- backwards!

Milan

pre 14 godina

I agree with the stance of Serbia diplomacy, but there is no more Yugoslavia and 1244 mentiones Yugoslavia not Serbia.
It is about time that Serbia starts identifying itself as Serbia not Yugoslavia.
(Olf, 15 March 2010 15:41)
Olf:
1. Serbia is Yugoslavia's succesor state.
2. In 1999 Kosovo was part of one of federal republics of Yugoslavia - Federal republic of Serbia. So - integrity of Yugoslavia = integrity of federal republic of Serbia.

1. 1244 does not allow Serbia to have any saying or rule Kosova/o.
2. You have violated 1244, over and over again since 1999.
3. Why so much love now for 1244???
(Kosova-USA, 15 March 2010 12:46)

1. 1244 saying about RETURN of serbian personnel to Kosovo - so - 1244 say that Kosovo is part of Serbia (if not - that can be any words about serbian personnel - including personnel on border points)
2. Violation of 1244 started from February 17 2008.
3. Because 1244 - is part of INTERNATIONAL LAW.

MJ

pre 14 godina

Well Mr Tadic, Kosovo too goes only where its sovereignty is respected. (Pejoni, 15 March 2010 11:10)-

--…-- That doesn't leave you with many places to go then.( Peggy, 15 March 2010 12:33)

That is right. North America, Australia, 85% of Europe, some Latin countries, African and Asian. On the other hand Serbia gets to go all over Africa, Slovakia, Russia, Iran, North Korea, Venezuela, ...oh, I forgot Whateverstan.

Geni

pre 14 godina

AH ZMAJ, "they control the internet"
That's hilarious!
Who they?

* 1001 Club
* Bilderberg Group
* Bohemian Grove[40][41]
* Committee of 300
* Common Purpose
* Council on Foreign Relations
* Freemasonry (see Masonic conspiracy theories)[42]
* The Illuminati—Thought of as a secret group attempting to control the world.
* Le Cercle
* Nine Unknown Men
* Pilgrims Society
* Royal Institute of International Affairs
* Skull & Bones—This Yale University fraternity is often thought of as being a secret society producing many financial and political leaders who have control or seek to gain control.
* Trilateral Commission

It is another thing to be a skeptic and another thing to be paranoid.

Another Canadian Serb

pre 14 godina

Olf, you said that
"It is about time that Serbia starts identifying itself as Serbia not Yugoslavia."
Then why is Serbia being withheld EU entry because Mladic has not been apprehended, when Mladic represented Yugoslavia.

This can also be said about the apprehended 58 out of the 60 wanted Hague Crime Suspects.

Or do you selectively pick and choose what suits your own needs.

You see Olf, it is people like you along with the EU that will not let Serbs separate from Yugoslavia.

trudsaam

pre 14 godina

I agree with the stance of Serbia diplomacy, but there is no more Yugoslavia and 1244 mentiones Yugoslavia not Serbia.
It is about time that Serbia starts identifying itself as Serbia not Yugoslavia.
(Olf)
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Serbia is the successor of Yugoslavia according to 1244. Read up on that.

ZMAJ

pre 14 godina

I agree with the stance of Serbia diplomacy, but there is no more Yugoslavia and 1244 mentiones Yugoslavia not Serbia.
It is about time that Serbia starts identifying itself as Serbia not Yugoslavia.
(Olf, 15 March 2010 15:41)

Hmm, you have that 1244 originally printed or you Googled using your computer again?

Olf, when you will realize that "they" control your computer?! How many times I must give you instructions to solve your OS problems??!! Is your printer attached to a network? Oh my God!!

Pejoni

pre 14 godina

That doesn't leave you with many places to go then.
(Peggy, 15 March 2010 12:33)

True, yet the most important and powerful countries. Its more likley you end up seeing a Serb immigrant in those 65 countries then the those who hasn't recognized reality yet.

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Ahh, come on, you will go and you will "sing the song".
(ZMAJ, 15 March 2010 12:53)

If we would sing the song, we wouldnt declared our Independence in the first place.

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If you were able to do this: [link]
Than, you're able for ANY political compromise! So you WILL go!

Ppl have different ways of showing their gratitude, some Serbs go as far asking Serbia to be ruled by Moscow.

Zoran

pre 14 godina

I agree with the stance of Serbia diplomacy, but there is no more Yugoslavia and 1244 mentiones Yugoslavia not Serbia.
(Olf, 15 March 2010 15:41)
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Olf, the Dayton accords refer to Yugoslavia and not Serbia also. By your flawed logic, Serbia has no obligations there and RS is free to merge with Serbia.

What I'd like to know is who will be missing "Kosova" if it doesn't attend regional conferences? There is no point even having them without Serbia, being the regional leader so the time will come for some countries to decide who is more impotant to them? An illegal entity run by criminals or Serbia. The choice is fairly obvious.

Olf

pre 14 godina

I agree with the stance of Serbia diplomacy, but there is no more Yugoslavia and 1244 mentiones Yugoslavia not Serbia.
It is about time that Serbia starts identifying itself as Serbia not Yugoslavia.

Red_Bandit

pre 14 godina

If you make another attempt to cleanse the area from its inhabitants, then the answer is YES. And it's not called "land grab" is human's right protection.
(miri, 15 March 2010 14:57)

so are you saying that one day Serbia just said "hey lets rid ourselves of the albanians" and they did it?? there was no provocation at all from the albanians?

trudsaam

pre 14 godina

If you were able to do this: [link]
Than, you're able for ANY political compromise! So you WILL go!
(ZMAJ)
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Indeed, their Lord and Master. LOL

ZMAJ

pre 14 godina

Serbia is right in this issue. Why the heck should they go to a conference where Kosova is a state when in its own territory Kosova has insitutions and organizations like EULEX, KFOR, UNMIK that do not recognize Kosova as a country. First Kosova must get rid of these organizations and then Kosova can claim to be a state.
(Bekim, 15 March 2010 14:20)

Until than you'll have our institutions and our organizations.

You're suspicious to me BTW!

trudsaam

pre 14 godina

1. 1244 does not allow Serbia to have any saying or rule Kosova/o.
2. You have violated 1244, over and over again since 1999.
3. Why so much love now for 1244???
(Kosova-USA)
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How has Serbia violated 1244? Explain yourself, or keep quiet.

The Truth

pre 14 godina

If you make another attempt to cleanse the area from its inhabitants, then the answer is YES. And it's not called "land grab" is human's right protection.
miri

What's the difference of albanians being expelled or serbs? Serbs have been expelled from Croatia, Bosnia and Kosovo. Does this mean they have the right to claim these territories? If not, why? You use this excuse to carve out a piece of Serbian land. You make up rules as you go along.

miri

pre 14 godina

One day, God forbid, when albanians become a majority in southern Serbia we should just accept another land grab and move on? ....
(Mikael C, 15 March 2010 13:05)


If you make another attempt to cleanse the area from its inhabitants, then the answer is YES. And it's not called "land grab" is human's right protection.

Bekim

pre 14 godina

Serbia is right in this issue. Why the heck should they go to a conference where Kosova is a state when in its own territory Kosova has insitutions and organizations like EULEX, KFOR, UNMIK that do not recognize Kosova as a country. First Kosova must get rid of these organizations and then Kosova can claim to be a state.

trudsaam

pre 14 godina

This really isn't news rather just a reminder: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/35868432/ns/world_news-washington_post . Good day my people :)

ZMAJ

pre 14 godina

Well Mr Tadic, Kosovo too goes only where its sovereignty is respected.
(Pejoni, 15 March 2010 11:10)

If you were able to do this: http://www.baksiden.net/bilder/kosovo3.jpg
Than, you're able for ANY political compromise! So you WILL go!

Bob

pre 14 godina

1244 was signed under duress by Serbia - and is substantially breached by the udi attempt.

It should be accepted as a good thing that Serbia is prepared to accept the legality of 1244 - it surprises me that Serbia does given how 1244 was deliberately abused by the US and others who intended a udi despite signing for the territorial integrity of Serbia.

Mikael C

pre 14 godina

"Kosovo will never be Serbia and it's time to move on."
Demi

Albanians have failed to destroy Serbian landmarks in Kosovo, which still stands as proof of whom Kosovo really belongs to.

Demi

One day, God forbid, when albanians become a majority in southern Serbia we should just accept another land grab and move on? The albanians and the world, who has broken international law, should realize that Serbia nor its people will ever recognize and accept the theft of our most sacret land. New negotiations need to take place since the last ones were a farce.

Kosova-USA

pre 14 godina

1. 1244 does not allow Serbia to have any saying or rule Kosova/o.
2. You have violated 1244, over and over again since 1999.
3. Why so much love now for 1244???

ben

pre 14 godina

Start respecting people instead of imposed political solutions.

1244 did not and will not bring you peace. The respect of the martyr Kosova will.

You are not welcomed in my house, in my land, in my life. Never was and never will. You were the bull and you still remain so.

The only difference is that today you cannot harm me so you cry the 1244 which you hope that it will allow you one day when you will be strong enough to come in my house, in my land, in my life and show your true face again.

It will never happen again Tadic- just dream on.

You had Kosova by force and you can have it again only by force.

No one ever loved you in Kosova no one ever will. You know this perfectly well but you are a bull, you are a rapist so you don’t care.

Peggy

pre 14 godina

Well Mr Tadic, Kosovo too goes only where its sovereignty is respected.
(Pejoni, 15 March 2010 11:10)
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That doesn't leave you with many places to go then.

ZMAJ

pre 14 godina

Well Mr Tadic, Kosovo too goes only where its sovereignty is respected.
(Pejoni, 15 March 2010 11:10)

Ahh, come on, you will go and you will "sing the song".

TITO

pre 14 godina

Damn right, and thats how its going to stay untill the time real negotiations start about our province status.
And to the Albanian camp here, I recommend sobbering up. You shall get your greater Albanian dream only when the fat lady sings.
Cheers

Demi

pre 14 godina

''but wants Kosovo's regional participation to be executed in a way that does not question Serbia's integrity.''


Com' on dude Serbia have no control over Kosovo and never will. Kosovo will never be Serbia and it's time to move on. The integrety of Serbia was questioned when Kosovo declared independence and 65 countrys recognized it.


But why do you ask for res 1244 to be respected only when it is a regional meeting ? When it comes to other important meetings you don't ask for it to be respected becaue big countrys dosen't care if serbs come or not. I bet Slovenia or Croatia dosen't care also but don't want Serbia to be left out for the sake of good neighborly relations.


But you cannot ask a country that have recognized Kosovo to not treat Kosovo as a state. Serbia is not in a position to put demands on countrys wich are EU members or a country wich is going to be a EU member vert soon

kate

pre 14 godina

Excellent statement from President 'Clooney' Tadic, and as Tom commented, it says it all very clearly.

Laki bani: "Patience has its limit as everything does: soon we will be most probably witnessing a case when no one will pay attention on Serbia’s is absence at int. forums."

Do you really, honestly believe that everyone in the region and further afield will just 'ignore' Serbia, a large landlocked established nation in the heart of the continent, with important trade routes and international/ regional relations?

All for the sake of Kosovo? A legally disputed province which relies entirely on international funding and which has underlying tensions and threats of violence? Not to mention the very real problems with corruption and crime.

I can honestly say that I don't wish any good people of any nationality anything bad, or to offend, but Kosovo has been spun way out of control. The province was used as an objective by the US and the EU, and none of them will do anything if it doesn't suit them.

It is all about money and power, and the support of various nations of the UDI, illegally announced once Kosovo was an international protectorate under Res. 1244, does not mean that Kosovo is independent.

The only way forward is to have proper longterm status negotiations to suit both sides.

malcolm x

pre 14 godina

Patience has its limit as everything does: soon we will be most probably witnessing a case when no one will pay attention on Serbia’s is absence at int. forums.
(laki bani, 15 March 2010 10:07)

you mean serbia will be isolated like in the 90's? not going to happen and it's not what serbia's neighbours should hope for. i do not see what's the purpose of a regional conference in which the biggest country isn't participating? can a region prosper if its biggest country isn't prosperous?

serbia has offered a compromise here. kosovo needs to be represented in a way acceptable to serbia. it can be represented however. serbia accepts it has no control of kosovo. it is kosovo that needs to accept that serbia is not recognising them and find a way to communicate with serbia. hoping that serbia will be bullied into recognising kosovo is not the right way to go.

laki bani

pre 14 godina

In that case Serbia goes nowhere, due to the fact that the resolution it asks for is no more solution. However, too many water has rolled down to …since R. 1244 was the rule and everything. I understand Serbia’s position; it is nostalgic about, nevertheless Kosovo at this stage is far off the UNMIK’s rule, Kosovo has proclaimed its independence, it was recognized by more than 60 countries, it is with no doubt inhabited by 90 % Albanians who don’t share their vision for the future with Mr. Tadic, and so on. I think that this stance of either Mr. Tadic or any one else’s is just loss of time, if not a planned strategy to adverting people’s attention off the real social difficulties.
Patience has its limit as everything does: soon we will be most probably witnessing a case when no one will pay attention on Serbia’s is absence at int. forums.

Tom O'Donoghue

pre 14 godina

"A regional forum cannot represent an implicit recognition of Kosovo's independence, because Serbia will neither implicitly nor explicitly recognize Kosovo's independence, either by its decisions or with its participation in regional forums and meetings," Tadić said.

Whether you like Tadic or not, you have to acknowledge that this statement of the bottom line says it all. Now he just has to live up to it.

PRN

pre 14 godina

"Serbia goes only where 1244 is respected"

IT IS NOT TRUE.
Serbia goes to USA, UK, Germany, France, etc...who BTW they dont respect territorial integrity of Serbia but ONLY THAT OF KOSOVO.

Is this another classical LIE

lowe

pre 14 godina

"Patience has its limit as everything does: soon we will be most probably witnessing a case when no one will pay attention on Serbia’s is absence at int. forums.
(laki bani, 15 March 2010 10:07) "

All the patience in the world will not enable "Kosova" to enter the UN. So you might as well lose it anyway.

kate

pre 14 godina

Excellent statement from President 'Clooney' Tadic, and as Tom commented, it says it all very clearly.

Laki bani: "Patience has its limit as everything does: soon we will be most probably witnessing a case when no one will pay attention on Serbia’s is absence at int. forums."

Do you really, honestly believe that everyone in the region and further afield will just 'ignore' Serbia, a large landlocked established nation in the heart of the continent, with important trade routes and international/ regional relations?

All for the sake of Kosovo? A legally disputed province which relies entirely on international funding and which has underlying tensions and threats of violence? Not to mention the very real problems with corruption and crime.

I can honestly say that I don't wish any good people of any nationality anything bad, or to offend, but Kosovo has been spun way out of control. The province was used as an objective by the US and the EU, and none of them will do anything if it doesn't suit them.

It is all about money and power, and the support of various nations of the UDI, illegally announced once Kosovo was an international protectorate under Res. 1244, does not mean that Kosovo is independent.

The only way forward is to have proper longterm status negotiations to suit both sides.

ZMAJ

pre 14 godina

Well Mr Tadic, Kosovo too goes only where its sovereignty is respected.
(Pejoni, 15 March 2010 11:10)

If you were able to do this: http://www.baksiden.net/bilder/kosovo3.jpg
Than, you're able for ANY political compromise! So you WILL go!

Tom O'Donoghue

pre 14 godina

"A regional forum cannot represent an implicit recognition of Kosovo's independence, because Serbia will neither implicitly nor explicitly recognize Kosovo's independence, either by its decisions or with its participation in regional forums and meetings," Tadić said.

Whether you like Tadic or not, you have to acknowledge that this statement of the bottom line says it all. Now he just has to live up to it.

Peggy

pre 14 godina

Well Mr Tadic, Kosovo too goes only where its sovereignty is respected.
(Pejoni, 15 March 2010 11:10)
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That doesn't leave you with many places to go then.

ZMAJ

pre 14 godina

Well Mr Tadic, Kosovo too goes only where its sovereignty is respected.
(Pejoni, 15 March 2010 11:10)

Ahh, come on, you will go and you will "sing the song".

malcolm x

pre 14 godina

Patience has its limit as everything does: soon we will be most probably witnessing a case when no one will pay attention on Serbia’s is absence at int. forums.
(laki bani, 15 March 2010 10:07)

you mean serbia will be isolated like in the 90's? not going to happen and it's not what serbia's neighbours should hope for. i do not see what's the purpose of a regional conference in which the biggest country isn't participating? can a region prosper if its biggest country isn't prosperous?

serbia has offered a compromise here. kosovo needs to be represented in a way acceptable to serbia. it can be represented however. serbia accepts it has no control of kosovo. it is kosovo that needs to accept that serbia is not recognising them and find a way to communicate with serbia. hoping that serbia will be bullied into recognising kosovo is not the right way to go.

PRN

pre 14 godina

"Serbia goes only where 1244 is respected"

IT IS NOT TRUE.
Serbia goes to USA, UK, Germany, France, etc...who BTW they dont respect territorial integrity of Serbia but ONLY THAT OF KOSOVO.

Is this another classical LIE

Kosova-USA

pre 14 godina

1. 1244 does not allow Serbia to have any saying or rule Kosova/o.
2. You have violated 1244, over and over again since 1999.
3. Why so much love now for 1244???

laki bani

pre 14 godina

In that case Serbia goes nowhere, due to the fact that the resolution it asks for is no more solution. However, too many water has rolled down to …since R. 1244 was the rule and everything. I understand Serbia’s position; it is nostalgic about, nevertheless Kosovo at this stage is far off the UNMIK’s rule, Kosovo has proclaimed its independence, it was recognized by more than 60 countries, it is with no doubt inhabited by 90 % Albanians who don’t share their vision for the future with Mr. Tadic, and so on. I think that this stance of either Mr. Tadic or any one else’s is just loss of time, if not a planned strategy to adverting people’s attention off the real social difficulties.
Patience has its limit as everything does: soon we will be most probably witnessing a case when no one will pay attention on Serbia’s is absence at int. forums.

Mikael C

pre 14 godina

"Kosovo will never be Serbia and it's time to move on."
Demi

Albanians have failed to destroy Serbian landmarks in Kosovo, which still stands as proof of whom Kosovo really belongs to.

Demi

One day, God forbid, when albanians become a majority in southern Serbia we should just accept another land grab and move on? The albanians and the world, who has broken international law, should realize that Serbia nor its people will ever recognize and accept the theft of our most sacret land. New negotiations need to take place since the last ones were a farce.

ZMAJ

pre 14 godina

I agree with the stance of Serbia diplomacy, but there is no more Yugoslavia and 1244 mentiones Yugoslavia not Serbia.
It is about time that Serbia starts identifying itself as Serbia not Yugoslavia.
(Olf, 15 March 2010 15:41)

Hmm, you have that 1244 originally printed or you Googled using your computer again?

Olf, when you will realize that "they" control your computer?! How many times I must give you instructions to solve your OS problems??!! Is your printer attached to a network? Oh my God!!

lowe

pre 14 godina

"Patience has its limit as everything does: soon we will be most probably witnessing a case when no one will pay attention on Serbia’s is absence at int. forums.
(laki bani, 15 March 2010 10:07) "

All the patience in the world will not enable "Kosova" to enter the UN. So you might as well lose it anyway.

TITO

pre 14 godina

Damn right, and thats how its going to stay untill the time real negotiations start about our province status.
And to the Albanian camp here, I recommend sobbering up. You shall get your greater Albanian dream only when the fat lady sings.
Cheers

Bob

pre 14 godina

1244 was signed under duress by Serbia - and is substantially breached by the udi attempt.

It should be accepted as a good thing that Serbia is prepared to accept the legality of 1244 - it surprises me that Serbia does given how 1244 was deliberately abused by the US and others who intended a udi despite signing for the territorial integrity of Serbia.

Olf

pre 14 godina

I agree with the stance of Serbia diplomacy, but there is no more Yugoslavia and 1244 mentiones Yugoslavia not Serbia.
It is about time that Serbia starts identifying itself as Serbia not Yugoslavia.

ZMAJ

pre 14 godina

Serbia is right in this issue. Why the heck should they go to a conference where Kosova is a state when in its own territory Kosova has insitutions and organizations like EULEX, KFOR, UNMIK that do not recognize Kosova as a country. First Kosova must get rid of these organizations and then Kosova can claim to be a state.
(Bekim, 15 March 2010 14:20)

Until than you'll have our institutions and our organizations.

You're suspicious to me BTW!

ben

pre 14 godina

Start respecting people instead of imposed political solutions.

1244 did not and will not bring you peace. The respect of the martyr Kosova will.

You are not welcomed in my house, in my land, in my life. Never was and never will. You were the bull and you still remain so.

The only difference is that today you cannot harm me so you cry the 1244 which you hope that it will allow you one day when you will be strong enough to come in my house, in my land, in my life and show your true face again.

It will never happen again Tadic- just dream on.

You had Kosova by force and you can have it again only by force.

No one ever loved you in Kosova no one ever will. You know this perfectly well but you are a bull, you are a rapist so you don’t care.

ZMAJ

pre 14 godina

If we would sing the song, we wouldnt declared our Independence in the first place.
(Pejoni, 15 March 2010 16:07)

Backwards, you'll sing that song- backwards!

MJ

pre 14 godina

Well Mr Tadic, Kosovo too goes only where its sovereignty is respected. (Pejoni, 15 March 2010 11:10)-

--…-- That doesn't leave you with many places to go then.( Peggy, 15 March 2010 12:33)

That is right. North America, Australia, 85% of Europe, some Latin countries, African and Asian. On the other hand Serbia gets to go all over Africa, Slovakia, Russia, Iran, North Korea, Venezuela, ...oh, I forgot Whateverstan.

miri

pre 14 godina

One day, God forbid, when albanians become a majority in southern Serbia we should just accept another land grab and move on? ....
(Mikael C, 15 March 2010 13:05)


If you make another attempt to cleanse the area from its inhabitants, then the answer is YES. And it's not called "land grab" is human's right protection.

trudsaam

pre 14 godina

If you were able to do this: [link]
Than, you're able for ANY political compromise! So you WILL go!
(ZMAJ)
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Indeed, their Lord and Master. LOL

Zoran

pre 14 godina

I agree with the stance of Serbia diplomacy, but there is no more Yugoslavia and 1244 mentiones Yugoslavia not Serbia.
(Olf, 15 March 2010 15:41)
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Olf, the Dayton accords refer to Yugoslavia and not Serbia also. By your flawed logic, Serbia has no obligations there and RS is free to merge with Serbia.

What I'd like to know is who will be missing "Kosova" if it doesn't attend regional conferences? There is no point even having them without Serbia, being the regional leader so the time will come for some countries to decide who is more impotant to them? An illegal entity run by criminals or Serbia. The choice is fairly obvious.

Red_Bandit

pre 14 godina

If you make another attempt to cleanse the area from its inhabitants, then the answer is YES. And it's not called "land grab" is human's right protection.
(miri, 15 March 2010 14:57)

so are you saying that one day Serbia just said "hey lets rid ourselves of the albanians" and they did it?? there was no provocation at all from the albanians?

Peggy

pre 14 godina

I agree with the stance of Serbia diplomacy, but there is no more Yugoslavia and 1244 mentiones Yugoslavia not Serbia.
It is about time that Serbia starts identifying itself as Serbia not Yugoslavia.
(Olf, 15 March 2010 15:41)
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Seriously man, are you trying to annoy on purpose or are you just that ignorant?
How many times do we have to point out to you and the rest of you who choose to ignore it, is that Serbia IS A SUCCESSOR TO YUGOSLAVIA!

Why the heck do you keep writing the same garbage over and over?

Demi

pre 14 godina

''but wants Kosovo's regional participation to be executed in a way that does not question Serbia's integrity.''


Com' on dude Serbia have no control over Kosovo and never will. Kosovo will never be Serbia and it's time to move on. The integrety of Serbia was questioned when Kosovo declared independence and 65 countrys recognized it.


But why do you ask for res 1244 to be respected only when it is a regional meeting ? When it comes to other important meetings you don't ask for it to be respected becaue big countrys dosen't care if serbs come or not. I bet Slovenia or Croatia dosen't care also but don't want Serbia to be left out for the sake of good neighborly relations.


But you cannot ask a country that have recognized Kosovo to not treat Kosovo as a state. Serbia is not in a position to put demands on countrys wich are EU members or a country wich is going to be a EU member vert soon

trudsaam

pre 14 godina

This really isn't news rather just a reminder: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/35868432/ns/world_news-washington_post . Good day my people :)

Milan

pre 14 godina

I agree with the stance of Serbia diplomacy, but there is no more Yugoslavia and 1244 mentiones Yugoslavia not Serbia.
It is about time that Serbia starts identifying itself as Serbia not Yugoslavia.
(Olf, 15 March 2010 15:41)
Olf:
1. Serbia is Yugoslavia's succesor state.
2. In 1999 Kosovo was part of one of federal republics of Yugoslavia - Federal republic of Serbia. So - integrity of Yugoslavia = integrity of federal republic of Serbia.

1. 1244 does not allow Serbia to have any saying or rule Kosova/o.
2. You have violated 1244, over and over again since 1999.
3. Why so much love now for 1244???
(Kosova-USA, 15 March 2010 12:46)

1. 1244 saying about RETURN of serbian personnel to Kosovo - so - 1244 say that Kosovo is part of Serbia (if not - that can be any words about serbian personnel - including personnel on border points)
2. Violation of 1244 started from February 17 2008.
3. Because 1244 - is part of INTERNATIONAL LAW.

trudsaam

pre 14 godina

I agree with the stance of Serbia diplomacy, but there is no more Yugoslavia and 1244 mentiones Yugoslavia not Serbia.
It is about time that Serbia starts identifying itself as Serbia not Yugoslavia.
(Olf)
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Serbia is the successor of Yugoslavia according to 1244. Read up on that.

Another Canadian Serb

pre 14 godina

Olf, you said that
"It is about time that Serbia starts identifying itself as Serbia not Yugoslavia."
Then why is Serbia being withheld EU entry because Mladic has not been apprehended, when Mladic represented Yugoslavia.

This can also be said about the apprehended 58 out of the 60 wanted Hague Crime Suspects.

Or do you selectively pick and choose what suits your own needs.

You see Olf, it is people like you along with the EU that will not let Serbs separate from Yugoslavia.

Peggy

pre 14 godina

Well Mr Tadic, Kosovo too goes only where its sovereignty is respected. (Pejoni, 15 March 2010 11:10)-

--…-- That doesn't leave you with many places to go then.( Peggy, 15 March 2010 12:33)

That is right. North America, Australia, 85% of Europe, some Latin countries, African and Asian. On the other hand Serbia gets to go all over Africa, Slovakia, Russia, Iran, North Korea, Venezuela, ...oh, I forgot Whateverstan.
(MJ, 15 March 2010 17:36)
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How about we simplify this. You get 1/3 of the world and Serbia gets the rest?

kate

pre 14 godina

MJ - It's not a point of view. It's a fact that Serbia is the legal successor state to Yugoslavia as confirmed by the UN. It's a legal issue.

The Truth

pre 14 godina

If you make another attempt to cleanse the area from its inhabitants, then the answer is YES. And it's not called "land grab" is human's right protection.
miri

What's the difference of albanians being expelled or serbs? Serbs have been expelled from Croatia, Bosnia and Kosovo. Does this mean they have the right to claim these territories? If not, why? You use this excuse to carve out a piece of Serbian land. You make up rules as you go along.

pss

pre 14 godina

Then why is Serbia being withheld EU entry because Mladic has not been apprehended, when Mladic represented Yugoslavia.

This can also be said about the apprehended 58 out of the 60 wanted Hague Crime Suspects.

Or do you selectively pick and choose what suits your own needs.

You see Olf, it is people like you along with the EU that will not let Serbs separate from Yugoslavia.
(Another Canadian Serb, 15 March 2010 16:42)
The answer to that question is quite simple my friend, it is because the world and Serbia all believe Mladic is hiding in present day Serbia aided by present day Serbians not in a non existent Yugoslavia.

Staff

pre 14 godina

Dont the abanians see that they have lost. Kosovo is no more independent than my back yard. Kosovo will always be in limbo and Serbia will continue to block and block. I have understood during the years that Serbia will never ever give up Kosovo and I have also learnt that Kosovo will never ever be a country.

ZMAJ

pre 14 godina

There was never any dispute regarding Serbia's continuation of FRY.
(Zoran, 16 March 2010 16:46)

Nice.

This is the same information Olf is able to see on his screen but when he press "print" they print it from Pentagon. Read it here Olf.

trudsaam

pre 14 godina

1. 1244 does not allow Serbia to have any saying or rule Kosova/o.
2. You have violated 1244, over and over again since 1999.
3. Why so much love now for 1244???
(Kosova-USA)
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How has Serbia violated 1244? Explain yourself, or keep quiet.

ZMAJ

pre 14 godina

Well Mr Tadic, Kosovo too goes only where its sovereignty is respected. (Pejoni, 15 March 2010 11:10)-

--…-- That doesn't leave you with many places to go then.( Peggy, 15 March 2010 12:33)

That is right. North America, Australia, 85% of Europe, some Latin countries, African and Asian. On the other hand Serbia gets to go all over Africa, Slovakia, Russia, Iran, North Korea, Venezuela, ...oh, I forgot Whateverstan.
(MJ, 15 March 2010 17:36)

You forgot a lot. You forgot so much that you should definitely defrag your memories. You were showing Ducks and the Elephant was behind your back. You failed!

Ron

pre 14 godina

Well Mr Tadic, Kosovo too goes only where its sovereignty is respected. (Pejoni, 15 March 2010 11:10)-

But Kosovo is a PROVINCE. Not a state. How come it is so hard to accept that reality!?

ZMAJ

pre 14 godina

ZMAJ
I suggest you blog in IT sites since this is not IT site since you do not realise that.
Man 1244 is not an IP
(Olf, 16 March 2010 13:42)


1244 is the basic point of this argument. As obvious you do not know what it is, actually, who were the parties, their eventual and legal successors and you EVEN comment that!

If your comment was planned to be destructive and undermining to the subject.., than I'll be this what I am in my best. Otherwise, if I understand you're worth of commentating maybe I'll decide to reply fairly.

By now I saw you only undermining and itching, that's all. Well OK those are my waters, jump in if you like. There's no one Olf I'll leave alone here if He's obviously here to itch and than cry.

NO I'll not go to "the other site" but I'll stay here with you until you're "developed" under standards of this site.

REINSTALL YOUR "OPERATING", YOU'RE CONTROLLED MAN!

Zmaj,
You know the saying: he who holds a hammer sees solution to every problem through hammer. Buddy, world and life have more to it than just PC, IT...
(MJ, 16 March 2010 14:46)

MJ, you're the author of the most comment as of yesterday where you presented your personal version of "recognition map". You can always inform yourself using the same one computer you write your garbage. Here is the always accurate International Recognition Map of Kosovo Independence.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_recognition_of_Kosovo

As you can see it is dramatically different than poor tendency and partiality you "offered" us to swallow in your comment. Is there any possibility to be shallow like that?! Maybe I live with hummer but you're fishing with an empty hook! (you say- buddy)LOL. I'm not your buddy!

Bekim

pre 14 godina

Serbia is right in this issue. Why the heck should they go to a conference where Kosova is a state when in its own territory Kosova has insitutions and organizations like EULEX, KFOR, UNMIK that do not recognize Kosova as a country. First Kosova must get rid of these organizations and then Kosova can claim to be a state.

Pejoni

pre 14 godina

That doesn't leave you with many places to go then.
(Peggy, 15 March 2010 12:33)

True, yet the most important and powerful countries. Its more likley you end up seeing a Serb immigrant in those 65 countries then the those who hasn't recognized reality yet.

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Ahh, come on, you will go and you will "sing the song".
(ZMAJ, 15 March 2010 12:53)

If we would sing the song, we wouldnt declared our Independence in the first place.

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If you were able to do this: [link]
Than, you're able for ANY political compromise! So you WILL go!

Ppl have different ways of showing their gratitude, some Serbs go as far asking Serbia to be ruled by Moscow.

Milan

pre 14 godina

That is right. North America, Australia, 85% of Europe, some Latin countries, African and Asian. On the other hand Serbia gets to go all over Africa, Slovakia, Russia, Iran, North Korea, Venezuela, ...oh, I forgot Whateverstan.
(MJ, 15 March 2010 17:36)
Is on the world some hypocrite states (USA, UK, Germany etc.). And some, who are under pressure of these hypocrites. But is doesn't matter. Serbia don't must be like these hypocrites and can defend their territorial integrity on the legal basis.

Geni

pre 14 godina

AH ZMAJ, "they control the internet"
That's hilarious!
Who they?

* 1001 Club
* Bilderberg Group
* Bohemian Grove[40][41]
* Committee of 300
* Common Purpose
* Council on Foreign Relations
* Freemasonry (see Masonic conspiracy theories)[42]
* The Illuminati—Thought of as a secret group attempting to control the world.
* Le Cercle
* Nine Unknown Men
* Pilgrims Society
* Royal Institute of International Affairs
* Skull & Bones—This Yale University fraternity is often thought of as being a secret society producing many financial and political leaders who have control or seek to gain control.
* Trilateral Commission

It is another thing to be a skeptic and another thing to be paranoid.

trudsaam

pre 14 godina

It is another thing to be a skeptic and another thing to be paranoid.
(Geni)
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Your ignorance is mirror of your paranoia, so be careful who you direct this statement to. You saying none of these organizations exist?

MJ

pre 14 godina

Seriously man, are you trying to annoy on purpose or are you just that ignorant? How many times do we have to point out to you and the rest of you who choose to ignore it, is that Serbia IS A SUCCESSOR TO YUGOSLAVIA! Why the heck do you keep writing the same garbage over and over?( Peggy, 16 March 2010 01:28)

Wow, girl. Relax. This is an exchange of opinions. like it or not you have to show restrain and respect. If you ask Another Canadian Serb he thinks the opposite. Serbia is not Yugoslavia. Bash him over that.

Zoran

pre 14 godina

Serbia is not the successor state to the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia (FRY) like Russia is to the USSR. Serbia created the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia with Montenegro in 1992.

UNSCR 1244 refers to FRY, which is now Serbia through a name change and the independence of Montenegro. There is no dispute here in legal circles. It is only the K-Albanian imagination that disputes it.

Here is a timeline of events:

1. The Federal Republic of Yugoslavia (FRY) was established on 28 April 1992 by Serbia and Montenegro.

2. UNSCR 1244 was adopted by the Security Council at its 4011th meeting, on 10 June 1999. This resolution refers to FRY (created 28 April 1992).

3. The Federal Republic of Yugoslavia, after applying for membership, was admitted to the UN on 1 November 2000.

4. On 4 February 2003, the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia had its official name changed to Serbia and Montenegro.

5. Montenegro declared itself independent from the Serbian and Montenegrin union on 3 June 2006.

6. On the same day, the President of Serbia informed the United Nations Secretary-General that the membership of Serbia and Montenegro in the UN was being continued by Serbia.

There was never any dispute regarding Serbia's continuation of FRY.

ZMAJ

pre 14 godina

AH ZMAJ, "they control the internet"
That's hilarious!
Who they?

* 1001 Club
* Bilderberg Group
* Bohemian Grove[40][41]
* Committee of 300
* Common Purpose
* Council on Foreign Relations
* Freemasonry (see Masonic conspiracy theories)[42]
* The Illuminati—Thought of as a secret group attempting to control the world.
* Le Cercle
* Nine Unknown Men
* Pilgrims Society
* Royal Institute of International Affairs
* Skull & Bones—This Yale University fraternity is often thought of as being a secret society producing many financial and political leaders who have control or seek to gain control.
* Trilateral Commission

It is another thing to be a skeptic and another thing to be paranoid.
(Geni, 15 March 2010 17:58)


AH GENI!!

You've managed to number EXACTLY one third of the subjects "forbidden" to enter my house in any media form!

Nice try, anyway!

Internet? Internet is VERY controlled my dear. BUT, if you go back opening more your beautiful eyes you'll probably find I never wrote about controlled Internet but Olf's computer (network settings are the part of his computer connectivity). Poor Olf, hope he'll fix those security vulnerabilities!

AH GENI, I'm sure your remote registry or SSDP discovery are turned ON. On my computer even TIME is turned OFF. Comparison= Whale/Amoeba.

I know one Mason from England BTW, nice guy- his wife also. Being Mason there it's like being black in Africa.., I always told him it's better to leave that and become MetArt member, truth! His wife would appreciate better! LOL!

ZMAJ

pre 14 godina

Then it's done , you go visit Slovenia because Kosovo independence is fully legal.
(antekosova, 15 March 2010 19:11)

"Than it's done.." No one should be Graphologist and Psychologist to understand that even you're not sure my boy. How's that and why?

Geni

pre 14 godina

@trudsaam

One of the characteristics of paranoiacs is jumping at conclusion when there is no or little evidence of a phenomenon.
Now you accused me of being ignorant, because YOU thought that I denied the existence of these so-called secret societies.
Where did I say that they do not exist. I merely dispute that any of these groups control what you read in the internet (or any group for that matter).

BBM

pre 14 godina

U.N is a big joke and should not be taken seriously, not that it ever has been. All of the sudden there is a trend to respect the "international law", when in reality none of the member or non-member nations do or ever did. U.N is all talk and no action.
"International laws" and the U.N are very good ideas but let's get real, they might as well not exist. These "laws" only exist in writing and are not implemented or enforced. On of the latest examples, Kosovo. And that's only the tip of the iceberg. So why would Kosovo government care if they are blocked by Russia or Serbia from joining this dysfunctional group?


Meanwhile, I hope Mr. Tadic enjoys his visits in Slovakia, Tanzania, Angola, Georgia, Argentina, Cyprus, Greece, Cuba, Russia, Bolivia, China, Belarus, Spain, Azerbaijan etc. Some of these places have nice beaches.

ZMAJ

pre 14 godina

Zmaj - what standards are you talking about?
(Olf, 17 March 2010 05:15)

Why don't you just return and read again- your own comments but mine, also. Even censured, with a sentences "not flowing" as it should you can conclude the essence.

Or you cannot?

Olf, I just know you're not bad guy and I believe you can try.

Standards? Out of standard in Germany is equal to rubbish.

merlin

pre 14 godina

Well, Slovenia at the ICJ debate was on the side of those who said that 1244 was not violated by the declaration of independence, so from the point of view of Slovenia, 1244 is being respected. To be precise and not confuse people Tadic should have said "Serbia goes only where they think like Serbia about 1244". To be even more precise Tadic should have said: "we go wherever we feel like going".

trudsaam

pre 14 godina

@trudsaam

One of the characteristics of paranoiacs is jumping at conclusion when there is no or little evidence of a phenomenon.
Now you accused me of being ignorant, because YOU thought that I denied the existence of these so-called secret societies.
Where did I say that they do not exist. I merely dispute that any of these groups control what you read in the internet (or any group for that matter).
(Geni)
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What research have you come up with regarding these orgizations besides their homepage? Evidence is everywhere, not just the internet take some time and do some real reading. Good day :)

MJ

pre 14 godina

Zmaj,
You know the saying: he who holds a hammer sees solution to every problem through hammer. Buddy, world and life have more to it than just PC, IT...

Peggy

pre 14 godina

Wow, girl. Relax. This is an exchange of opinions. like it or not you have to show restrain and respect. If you ask Another Canadian Serb he thinks the opposite. Serbia is not Yugoslavia. Bash him over that.
(MJ, 16 March 2010 13:41)
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MJ, it is only an opinion in your mind nowhere else.
It is a fact which you and the rest of Albanians keep ignoring and writing here all the time which has become so irritating by now that respect is not warranted.
You will get respect when you deserve it, but by writing this garbage for the sole purpose of irritating here you will not get respect.

Respect is earned. When you write something sensinble you will get it.

NK

pre 14 godina

Still keep talking about is Kosovo that or this. Try to bring some facts both of you, because this is getting so boring.
Serbs get the idea that Kosovo is not a state, o well, let them live with it.
We all know is Kosovo a country or not.
If president won't attent any meeting where Kosovo goverment is present that is his wish. But I am affraid he won't be attending any meetings in Europe.

Milan

pre 14 godina

Zmaj - what standards are you talking about?
(Olf, 17 March 2010 05:15)

Same standards like for rest of Europe. If for USA, UK or Germany Abkhazia, Ossetia, Karabakh, Transnistria, Northern Cyprus, Srbska are not states and territorial integrity of Georgia, Azerbaijan, Moldova, Cyprus and Bosnia is defending by them - why same states refused to defend Serbia territorial integrity?? Serbia expecting nothing more, but same standards.

PRN

pre 14 godina

"Serbia goes only where 1244 is respected"

IT IS NOT TRUE.
Serbia goes to USA, UK, Germany, France, etc...who BTW they dont respect territorial integrity of Serbia but ONLY THAT OF KOSOVO.

Is this another classical LIE

Olf

pre 14 godina

I agree with the stance of Serbia diplomacy, but there is no more Yugoslavia and 1244 mentiones Yugoslavia not Serbia.
It is about time that Serbia starts identifying itself as Serbia not Yugoslavia.

Peggy

pre 14 godina

Well Mr Tadic, Kosovo too goes only where its sovereignty is respected.
(Pejoni, 15 March 2010 11:10)
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That doesn't leave you with many places to go then.

laki bani

pre 14 godina

In that case Serbia goes nowhere, due to the fact that the resolution it asks for is no more solution. However, too many water has rolled down to …since R. 1244 was the rule and everything. I understand Serbia’s position; it is nostalgic about, nevertheless Kosovo at this stage is far off the UNMIK’s rule, Kosovo has proclaimed its independence, it was recognized by more than 60 countries, it is with no doubt inhabited by 90 % Albanians who don’t share their vision for the future with Mr. Tadic, and so on. I think that this stance of either Mr. Tadic or any one else’s is just loss of time, if not a planned strategy to adverting people’s attention off the real social difficulties.
Patience has its limit as everything does: soon we will be most probably witnessing a case when no one will pay attention on Serbia’s is absence at int. forums.

Demi

pre 14 godina

''but wants Kosovo's regional participation to be executed in a way that does not question Serbia's integrity.''


Com' on dude Serbia have no control over Kosovo and never will. Kosovo will never be Serbia and it's time to move on. The integrety of Serbia was questioned when Kosovo declared independence and 65 countrys recognized it.


But why do you ask for res 1244 to be respected only when it is a regional meeting ? When it comes to other important meetings you don't ask for it to be respected becaue big countrys dosen't care if serbs come or not. I bet Slovenia or Croatia dosen't care also but don't want Serbia to be left out for the sake of good neighborly relations.


But you cannot ask a country that have recognized Kosovo to not treat Kosovo as a state. Serbia is not in a position to put demands on countrys wich are EU members or a country wich is going to be a EU member vert soon

ben

pre 14 godina

Start respecting people instead of imposed political solutions.

1244 did not and will not bring you peace. The respect of the martyr Kosova will.

You are not welcomed in my house, in my land, in my life. Never was and never will. You were the bull and you still remain so.

The only difference is that today you cannot harm me so you cry the 1244 which you hope that it will allow you one day when you will be strong enough to come in my house, in my land, in my life and show your true face again.

It will never happen again Tadic- just dream on.

You had Kosova by force and you can have it again only by force.

No one ever loved you in Kosova no one ever will. You know this perfectly well but you are a bull, you are a rapist so you don’t care.

Kosova-USA

pre 14 godina

1. 1244 does not allow Serbia to have any saying or rule Kosova/o.
2. You have violated 1244, over and over again since 1999.
3. Why so much love now for 1244???

Bekim

pre 14 godina

Serbia is right in this issue. Why the heck should they go to a conference where Kosova is a state when in its own territory Kosova has insitutions and organizations like EULEX, KFOR, UNMIK that do not recognize Kosova as a country. First Kosova must get rid of these organizations and then Kosova can claim to be a state.

lowe

pre 14 godina

"Patience has its limit as everything does: soon we will be most probably witnessing a case when no one will pay attention on Serbia’s is absence at int. forums.
(laki bani, 15 March 2010 10:07) "

All the patience in the world will not enable "Kosova" to enter the UN. So you might as well lose it anyway.

kate

pre 14 godina

Excellent statement from President 'Clooney' Tadic, and as Tom commented, it says it all very clearly.

Laki bani: "Patience has its limit as everything does: soon we will be most probably witnessing a case when no one will pay attention on Serbia’s is absence at int. forums."

Do you really, honestly believe that everyone in the region and further afield will just 'ignore' Serbia, a large landlocked established nation in the heart of the continent, with important trade routes and international/ regional relations?

All for the sake of Kosovo? A legally disputed province which relies entirely on international funding and which has underlying tensions and threats of violence? Not to mention the very real problems with corruption and crime.

I can honestly say that I don't wish any good people of any nationality anything bad, or to offend, but Kosovo has been spun way out of control. The province was used as an objective by the US and the EU, and none of them will do anything if it doesn't suit them.

It is all about money and power, and the support of various nations of the UDI, illegally announced once Kosovo was an international protectorate under Res. 1244, does not mean that Kosovo is independent.

The only way forward is to have proper longterm status negotiations to suit both sides.

Pejoni

pre 14 godina

That doesn't leave you with many places to go then.
(Peggy, 15 March 2010 12:33)

True, yet the most important and powerful countries. Its more likley you end up seeing a Serb immigrant in those 65 countries then the those who hasn't recognized reality yet.

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Ahh, come on, you will go and you will "sing the song".
(ZMAJ, 15 March 2010 12:53)

If we would sing the song, we wouldnt declared our Independence in the first place.

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If you were able to do this: [link]
Than, you're able for ANY political compromise! So you WILL go!

Ppl have different ways of showing their gratitude, some Serbs go as far asking Serbia to be ruled by Moscow.

malcolm x

pre 14 godina

Patience has its limit as everything does: soon we will be most probably witnessing a case when no one will pay attention on Serbia’s is absence at int. forums.
(laki bani, 15 March 2010 10:07)

you mean serbia will be isolated like in the 90's? not going to happen and it's not what serbia's neighbours should hope for. i do not see what's the purpose of a regional conference in which the biggest country isn't participating? can a region prosper if its biggest country isn't prosperous?

serbia has offered a compromise here. kosovo needs to be represented in a way acceptable to serbia. it can be represented however. serbia accepts it has no control of kosovo. it is kosovo that needs to accept that serbia is not recognising them and find a way to communicate with serbia. hoping that serbia will be bullied into recognising kosovo is not the right way to go.

TITO

pre 14 godina

Damn right, and thats how its going to stay untill the time real negotiations start about our province status.
And to the Albanian camp here, I recommend sobbering up. You shall get your greater Albanian dream only when the fat lady sings.
Cheers

MJ

pre 14 godina

Well Mr Tadic, Kosovo too goes only where its sovereignty is respected. (Pejoni, 15 March 2010 11:10)-

--…-- That doesn't leave you with many places to go then.( Peggy, 15 March 2010 12:33)

That is right. North America, Australia, 85% of Europe, some Latin countries, African and Asian. On the other hand Serbia gets to go all over Africa, Slovakia, Russia, Iran, North Korea, Venezuela, ...oh, I forgot Whateverstan.

Mikael C

pre 14 godina

"Kosovo will never be Serbia and it's time to move on."
Demi

Albanians have failed to destroy Serbian landmarks in Kosovo, which still stands as proof of whom Kosovo really belongs to.

Demi

One day, God forbid, when albanians become a majority in southern Serbia we should just accept another land grab and move on? The albanians and the world, who has broken international law, should realize that Serbia nor its people will ever recognize and accept the theft of our most sacret land. New negotiations need to take place since the last ones were a farce.

miri

pre 14 godina

One day, God forbid, when albanians become a majority in southern Serbia we should just accept another land grab and move on? ....
(Mikael C, 15 March 2010 13:05)


If you make another attempt to cleanse the area from its inhabitants, then the answer is YES. And it's not called "land grab" is human's right protection.

ZMAJ

pre 14 godina

I agree with the stance of Serbia diplomacy, but there is no more Yugoslavia and 1244 mentiones Yugoslavia not Serbia.
It is about time that Serbia starts identifying itself as Serbia not Yugoslavia.
(Olf, 15 March 2010 15:41)

Hmm, you have that 1244 originally printed or you Googled using your computer again?

Olf, when you will realize that "they" control your computer?! How many times I must give you instructions to solve your OS problems??!! Is your printer attached to a network? Oh my God!!

Tom O'Donoghue

pre 14 godina

"A regional forum cannot represent an implicit recognition of Kosovo's independence, because Serbia will neither implicitly nor explicitly recognize Kosovo's independence, either by its decisions or with its participation in regional forums and meetings," Tadić said.

Whether you like Tadic or not, you have to acknowledge that this statement of the bottom line says it all. Now he just has to live up to it.

ZMAJ

pre 14 godina

Well Mr Tadic, Kosovo too goes only where its sovereignty is respected.
(Pejoni, 15 March 2010 11:10)

If you were able to do this: http://www.baksiden.net/bilder/kosovo3.jpg
Than, you're able for ANY political compromise! So you WILL go!

Another Canadian Serb

pre 14 godina

Olf, you said that
"It is about time that Serbia starts identifying itself as Serbia not Yugoslavia."
Then why is Serbia being withheld EU entry because Mladic has not been apprehended, when Mladic represented Yugoslavia.

This can also be said about the apprehended 58 out of the 60 wanted Hague Crime Suspects.

Or do you selectively pick and choose what suits your own needs.

You see Olf, it is people like you along with the EU that will not let Serbs separate from Yugoslavia.

Milan

pre 14 godina

I agree with the stance of Serbia diplomacy, but there is no more Yugoslavia and 1244 mentiones Yugoslavia not Serbia.
It is about time that Serbia starts identifying itself as Serbia not Yugoslavia.
(Olf, 15 March 2010 15:41)
Olf:
1. Serbia is Yugoslavia's succesor state.
2. In 1999 Kosovo was part of one of federal republics of Yugoslavia - Federal republic of Serbia. So - integrity of Yugoslavia = integrity of federal republic of Serbia.

1. 1244 does not allow Serbia to have any saying or rule Kosova/o.
2. You have violated 1244, over and over again since 1999.
3. Why so much love now for 1244???
(Kosova-USA, 15 March 2010 12:46)

1. 1244 saying about RETURN of serbian personnel to Kosovo - so - 1244 say that Kosovo is part of Serbia (if not - that can be any words about serbian personnel - including personnel on border points)
2. Violation of 1244 started from February 17 2008.
3. Because 1244 - is part of INTERNATIONAL LAW.

Geni

pre 14 godina

AH ZMAJ, "they control the internet"
That's hilarious!
Who they?

* 1001 Club
* Bilderberg Group
* Bohemian Grove[40][41]
* Committee of 300
* Common Purpose
* Council on Foreign Relations
* Freemasonry (see Masonic conspiracy theories)[42]
* The Illuminati—Thought of as a secret group attempting to control the world.
* Le Cercle
* Nine Unknown Men
* Pilgrims Society
* Royal Institute of International Affairs
* Skull & Bones—This Yale University fraternity is often thought of as being a secret society producing many financial and political leaders who have control or seek to gain control.
* Trilateral Commission

It is another thing to be a skeptic and another thing to be paranoid.

ZMAJ

pre 14 godina

Well Mr Tadic, Kosovo too goes only where its sovereignty is respected. (Pejoni, 15 March 2010 11:10)-

--…-- That doesn't leave you with many places to go then.( Peggy, 15 March 2010 12:33)

That is right. North America, Australia, 85% of Europe, some Latin countries, African and Asian. On the other hand Serbia gets to go all over Africa, Slovakia, Russia, Iran, North Korea, Venezuela, ...oh, I forgot Whateverstan.
(MJ, 15 March 2010 17:36)

You forgot a lot. You forgot so much that you should definitely defrag your memories. You were showing Ducks and the Elephant was behind your back. You failed!

trudsaam

pre 14 godina

It is another thing to be a skeptic and another thing to be paranoid.
(Geni)
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Your ignorance is mirror of your paranoia, so be careful who you direct this statement to. You saying none of these organizations exist?

trudsaam

pre 14 godina

1. 1244 does not allow Serbia to have any saying or rule Kosova/o.
2. You have violated 1244, over and over again since 1999.
3. Why so much love now for 1244???
(Kosova-USA)
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How has Serbia violated 1244? Explain yourself, or keep quiet.

ZMAJ

pre 14 godina

If we would sing the song, we wouldnt declared our Independence in the first place.
(Pejoni, 15 March 2010 16:07)

Backwards, you'll sing that song- backwards!

Milan

pre 14 godina

That is right. North America, Australia, 85% of Europe, some Latin countries, African and Asian. On the other hand Serbia gets to go all over Africa, Slovakia, Russia, Iran, North Korea, Venezuela, ...oh, I forgot Whateverstan.
(MJ, 15 March 2010 17:36)
Is on the world some hypocrite states (USA, UK, Germany etc.). And some, who are under pressure of these hypocrites. But is doesn't matter. Serbia don't must be like these hypocrites and can defend their territorial integrity on the legal basis.

ZMAJ

pre 14 godina

Well Mr Tadic, Kosovo too goes only where its sovereignty is respected.
(Pejoni, 15 March 2010 11:10)

Ahh, come on, you will go and you will "sing the song".

Bob

pre 14 godina

1244 was signed under duress by Serbia - and is substantially breached by the udi attempt.

It should be accepted as a good thing that Serbia is prepared to accept the legality of 1244 - it surprises me that Serbia does given how 1244 was deliberately abused by the US and others who intended a udi despite signing for the territorial integrity of Serbia.

Zoran

pre 14 godina

I agree with the stance of Serbia diplomacy, but there is no more Yugoslavia and 1244 mentiones Yugoslavia not Serbia.
(Olf, 15 March 2010 15:41)
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Olf, the Dayton accords refer to Yugoslavia and not Serbia also. By your flawed logic, Serbia has no obligations there and RS is free to merge with Serbia.

What I'd like to know is who will be missing "Kosova" if it doesn't attend regional conferences? There is no point even having them without Serbia, being the regional leader so the time will come for some countries to decide who is more impotant to them? An illegal entity run by criminals or Serbia. The choice is fairly obvious.

trudsaam

pre 14 godina

I agree with the stance of Serbia diplomacy, but there is no more Yugoslavia and 1244 mentiones Yugoslavia not Serbia.
It is about time that Serbia starts identifying itself as Serbia not Yugoslavia.
(Olf)
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Serbia is the successor of Yugoslavia according to 1244. Read up on that.

NK

pre 14 godina

Still keep talking about is Kosovo that or this. Try to bring some facts both of you, because this is getting so boring.
Serbs get the idea that Kosovo is not a state, o well, let them live with it.
We all know is Kosovo a country or not.
If president won't attent any meeting where Kosovo goverment is present that is his wish. But I am affraid he won't be attending any meetings in Europe.

Red_Bandit

pre 14 godina

If you make another attempt to cleanse the area from its inhabitants, then the answer is YES. And it's not called "land grab" is human's right protection.
(miri, 15 March 2010 14:57)

so are you saying that one day Serbia just said "hey lets rid ourselves of the albanians" and they did it?? there was no provocation at all from the albanians?

ZMAJ

pre 14 godina

Serbia is right in this issue. Why the heck should they go to a conference where Kosova is a state when in its own territory Kosova has insitutions and organizations like EULEX, KFOR, UNMIK that do not recognize Kosova as a country. First Kosova must get rid of these organizations and then Kosova can claim to be a state.
(Bekim, 15 March 2010 14:20)

Until than you'll have our institutions and our organizations.

You're suspicious to me BTW!

Staff

pre 14 godina

Dont the abanians see that they have lost. Kosovo is no more independent than my back yard. Kosovo will always be in limbo and Serbia will continue to block and block. I have understood during the years that Serbia will never ever give up Kosovo and I have also learnt that Kosovo will never ever be a country.

trudsaam

pre 14 godina

If you were able to do this: [link]
Than, you're able for ANY political compromise! So you WILL go!
(ZMAJ)
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Indeed, their Lord and Master. LOL

The Truth

pre 14 godina

If you make another attempt to cleanse the area from its inhabitants, then the answer is YES. And it's not called "land grab" is human's right protection.
miri

What's the difference of albanians being expelled or serbs? Serbs have been expelled from Croatia, Bosnia and Kosovo. Does this mean they have the right to claim these territories? If not, why? You use this excuse to carve out a piece of Serbian land. You make up rules as you go along.

ZMAJ

pre 14 godina

Then it's done , you go visit Slovenia because Kosovo independence is fully legal.
(antekosova, 15 March 2010 19:11)

"Than it's done.." No one should be Graphologist and Psychologist to understand that even you're not sure my boy. How's that and why?

Peggy

pre 14 godina

I agree with the stance of Serbia diplomacy, but there is no more Yugoslavia and 1244 mentiones Yugoslavia not Serbia.
It is about time that Serbia starts identifying itself as Serbia not Yugoslavia.
(Olf, 15 March 2010 15:41)
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Seriously man, are you trying to annoy on purpose or are you just that ignorant?
How many times do we have to point out to you and the rest of you who choose to ignore it, is that Serbia IS A SUCCESSOR TO YUGOSLAVIA!

Why the heck do you keep writing the same garbage over and over?

pss

pre 14 godina

Then why is Serbia being withheld EU entry because Mladic has not been apprehended, when Mladic represented Yugoslavia.

This can also be said about the apprehended 58 out of the 60 wanted Hague Crime Suspects.

Or do you selectively pick and choose what suits your own needs.

You see Olf, it is people like you along with the EU that will not let Serbs separate from Yugoslavia.
(Another Canadian Serb, 15 March 2010 16:42)
The answer to that question is quite simple my friend, it is because the world and Serbia all believe Mladic is hiding in present day Serbia aided by present day Serbians not in a non existent Yugoslavia.

BBM

pre 14 godina

U.N is a big joke and should not be taken seriously, not that it ever has been. All of the sudden there is a trend to respect the "international law", when in reality none of the member or non-member nations do or ever did. U.N is all talk and no action.
"International laws" and the U.N are very good ideas but let's get real, they might as well not exist. These "laws" only exist in writing and are not implemented or enforced. On of the latest examples, Kosovo. And that's only the tip of the iceberg. So why would Kosovo government care if they are blocked by Russia or Serbia from joining this dysfunctional group?


Meanwhile, I hope Mr. Tadic enjoys his visits in Slovakia, Tanzania, Angola, Georgia, Argentina, Cyprus, Greece, Cuba, Russia, Bolivia, China, Belarus, Spain, Azerbaijan etc. Some of these places have nice beaches.

Peggy

pre 14 godina

Well Mr Tadic, Kosovo too goes only where its sovereignty is respected. (Pejoni, 15 March 2010 11:10)-

--…-- That doesn't leave you with many places to go then.( Peggy, 15 March 2010 12:33)

That is right. North America, Australia, 85% of Europe, some Latin countries, African and Asian. On the other hand Serbia gets to go all over Africa, Slovakia, Russia, Iran, North Korea, Venezuela, ...oh, I forgot Whateverstan.
(MJ, 15 March 2010 17:36)
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How about we simplify this. You get 1/3 of the world and Serbia gets the rest?

MJ

pre 14 godina

Zmaj,
You know the saying: he who holds a hammer sees solution to every problem through hammer. Buddy, world and life have more to it than just PC, IT...

Ron

pre 14 godina

Well Mr Tadic, Kosovo too goes only where its sovereignty is respected. (Pejoni, 15 March 2010 11:10)-

But Kosovo is a PROVINCE. Not a state. How come it is so hard to accept that reality!?

MJ

pre 14 godina

Seriously man, are you trying to annoy on purpose or are you just that ignorant? How many times do we have to point out to you and the rest of you who choose to ignore it, is that Serbia IS A SUCCESSOR TO YUGOSLAVIA! Why the heck do you keep writing the same garbage over and over?( Peggy, 16 March 2010 01:28)

Wow, girl. Relax. This is an exchange of opinions. like it or not you have to show restrain and respect. If you ask Another Canadian Serb he thinks the opposite. Serbia is not Yugoslavia. Bash him over that.

trudsaam

pre 14 godina

This really isn't news rather just a reminder: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/35868432/ns/world_news-washington_post . Good day my people :)

ZMAJ

pre 14 godina

AH ZMAJ, "they control the internet"
That's hilarious!
Who they?

* 1001 Club
* Bilderberg Group
* Bohemian Grove[40][41]
* Committee of 300
* Common Purpose
* Council on Foreign Relations
* Freemasonry (see Masonic conspiracy theories)[42]
* The Illuminati—Thought of as a secret group attempting to control the world.
* Le Cercle
* Nine Unknown Men
* Pilgrims Society
* Royal Institute of International Affairs
* Skull & Bones—This Yale University fraternity is often thought of as being a secret society producing many financial and political leaders who have control or seek to gain control.
* Trilateral Commission

It is another thing to be a skeptic and another thing to be paranoid.
(Geni, 15 March 2010 17:58)


AH GENI!!

You've managed to number EXACTLY one third of the subjects "forbidden" to enter my house in any media form!

Nice try, anyway!

Internet? Internet is VERY controlled my dear. BUT, if you go back opening more your beautiful eyes you'll probably find I never wrote about controlled Internet but Olf's computer (network settings are the part of his computer connectivity). Poor Olf, hope he'll fix those security vulnerabilities!

AH GENI, I'm sure your remote registry or SSDP discovery are turned ON. On my computer even TIME is turned OFF. Comparison= Whale/Amoeba.

I know one Mason from England BTW, nice guy- his wife also. Being Mason there it's like being black in Africa.., I always told him it's better to leave that and become MetArt member, truth! His wife would appreciate better! LOL!

merlin

pre 14 godina

Well, Slovenia at the ICJ debate was on the side of those who said that 1244 was not violated by the declaration of independence, so from the point of view of Slovenia, 1244 is being respected. To be precise and not confuse people Tadic should have said "Serbia goes only where they think like Serbia about 1244". To be even more precise Tadic should have said: "we go wherever we feel like going".

Geni

pre 14 godina

@trudsaam

One of the characteristics of paranoiacs is jumping at conclusion when there is no or little evidence of a phenomenon.
Now you accused me of being ignorant, because YOU thought that I denied the existence of these so-called secret societies.
Where did I say that they do not exist. I merely dispute that any of these groups control what you read in the internet (or any group for that matter).

kate

pre 14 godina

MJ - It's not a point of view. It's a fact that Serbia is the legal successor state to Yugoslavia as confirmed by the UN. It's a legal issue.

ZMAJ

pre 14 godina

There was never any dispute regarding Serbia's continuation of FRY.
(Zoran, 16 March 2010 16:46)

Nice.

This is the same information Olf is able to see on his screen but when he press "print" they print it from Pentagon. Read it here Olf.

Peggy

pre 14 godina

Wow, girl. Relax. This is an exchange of opinions. like it or not you have to show restrain and respect. If you ask Another Canadian Serb he thinks the opposite. Serbia is not Yugoslavia. Bash him over that.
(MJ, 16 March 2010 13:41)
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MJ, it is only an opinion in your mind nowhere else.
It is a fact which you and the rest of Albanians keep ignoring and writing here all the time which has become so irritating by now that respect is not warranted.
You will get respect when you deserve it, but by writing this garbage for the sole purpose of irritating here you will not get respect.

Respect is earned. When you write something sensinble you will get it.

Zoran

pre 14 godina

Serbia is not the successor state to the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia (FRY) like Russia is to the USSR. Serbia created the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia with Montenegro in 1992.

UNSCR 1244 refers to FRY, which is now Serbia through a name change and the independence of Montenegro. There is no dispute here in legal circles. It is only the K-Albanian imagination that disputes it.

Here is a timeline of events:

1. The Federal Republic of Yugoslavia (FRY) was established on 28 April 1992 by Serbia and Montenegro.

2. UNSCR 1244 was adopted by the Security Council at its 4011th meeting, on 10 June 1999. This resolution refers to FRY (created 28 April 1992).

3. The Federal Republic of Yugoslavia, after applying for membership, was admitted to the UN on 1 November 2000.

4. On 4 February 2003, the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia had its official name changed to Serbia and Montenegro.

5. Montenegro declared itself independent from the Serbian and Montenegrin union on 3 June 2006.

6. On the same day, the President of Serbia informed the United Nations Secretary-General that the membership of Serbia and Montenegro in the UN was being continued by Serbia.

There was never any dispute regarding Serbia's continuation of FRY.

ZMAJ

pre 14 godina

ZMAJ
I suggest you blog in IT sites since this is not IT site since you do not realise that.
Man 1244 is not an IP
(Olf, 16 March 2010 13:42)


1244 is the basic point of this argument. As obvious you do not know what it is, actually, who were the parties, their eventual and legal successors and you EVEN comment that!

If your comment was planned to be destructive and undermining to the subject.., than I'll be this what I am in my best. Otherwise, if I understand you're worth of commentating maybe I'll decide to reply fairly.

By now I saw you only undermining and itching, that's all. Well OK those are my waters, jump in if you like. There's no one Olf I'll leave alone here if He's obviously here to itch and than cry.

NO I'll not go to "the other site" but I'll stay here with you until you're "developed" under standards of this site.

REINSTALL YOUR "OPERATING", YOU'RE CONTROLLED MAN!

Zmaj,
You know the saying: he who holds a hammer sees solution to every problem through hammer. Buddy, world and life have more to it than just PC, IT...
(MJ, 16 March 2010 14:46)

MJ, you're the author of the most comment as of yesterday where you presented your personal version of "recognition map". You can always inform yourself using the same one computer you write your garbage. Here is the always accurate International Recognition Map of Kosovo Independence.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_recognition_of_Kosovo

As you can see it is dramatically different than poor tendency and partiality you "offered" us to swallow in your comment. Is there any possibility to be shallow like that?! Maybe I live with hummer but you're fishing with an empty hook! (you say- buddy)LOL. I'm not your buddy!

Milan

pre 14 godina

Zmaj - what standards are you talking about?
(Olf, 17 March 2010 05:15)

Same standards like for rest of Europe. If for USA, UK or Germany Abkhazia, Ossetia, Karabakh, Transnistria, Northern Cyprus, Srbska are not states and territorial integrity of Georgia, Azerbaijan, Moldova, Cyprus and Bosnia is defending by them - why same states refused to defend Serbia territorial integrity?? Serbia expecting nothing more, but same standards.

trudsaam

pre 14 godina

@trudsaam

One of the characteristics of paranoiacs is jumping at conclusion when there is no or little evidence of a phenomenon.
Now you accused me of being ignorant, because YOU thought that I denied the existence of these so-called secret societies.
Where did I say that they do not exist. I merely dispute that any of these groups control what you read in the internet (or any group for that matter).
(Geni)
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What research have you come up with regarding these orgizations besides their homepage? Evidence is everywhere, not just the internet take some time and do some real reading. Good day :)

ZMAJ

pre 14 godina

Zmaj - what standards are you talking about?
(Olf, 17 March 2010 05:15)

Why don't you just return and read again- your own comments but mine, also. Even censured, with a sentences "not flowing" as it should you can conclude the essence.

Or you cannot?

Olf, I just know you're not bad guy and I believe you can try.

Standards? Out of standard in Germany is equal to rubbish.