He also guaranteed RS, which when joined with Serbia will make it the most powerful country in the region both economically and militarily"
Oh yes, the most powerful country in region: former-YU excluding Slovenia and Croatia...
hahahaha
(the reason)
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Then why is NATO, US and EU all trying to be-friend Serbia? Why don't they just shut Serbia out of the equation completely? Again you have missed "reasoning" in your point... good day :)
Maybe Milo Đukanović is Albanian because when he speaks they (Albanians) all synchronize his voice. It's all Albanian's fault,
right Pope?
(Hekuran, 10 March 2010 23:42)
Do not know, Milo Đukanović did not confess me all his sins yet. But he invited me for a cigarette and wanted to take a look at my car and fix somewhat underneath it. Milo seem to be a very nice guy and he seem to know a lot about cigarettes and how to convert regular cars to hot rods. But just in case I did not accept his offer.
Maybe Milo Đukanović is Albanian because when he speaks they (Albanians) all synchronize his voice. It's all Albanian's fault,
right Pope?
(Hekura)
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I dont think you see the point there claiming, try re-reading the comment if you don't fully understand the first time. :)
Mr. Jeremic would choose Kosovo? The fact that he would "choose" means that Kosovo is a lost cause for Serbia.
Serbia has a problem of accepting reality. The faster Serbia accepts reality, the better it is for the serbs.
Mr. Jeremic,
Nobody is asking you to give up! The only thing here is that simple society in ballcan region is suffering and living a poor life, you politicians all (Kosovo, Serbia, Montenegro, Albania, Macedonia...) are living a very good life, promissing everything and doing nothing, keeping nationalism high to realize your own interest and nothing for poor people! BTW you do politics as you want to do, but do not forget that you can not change the history. You say that you would fight for Kosovo, but you have no plans for Kosovo population, you speak about land and not about people, you forget that the ballcan land was there thousands of thausands of years before slavs comes there... So all these things you politicians forget and think only about your own single interest... Ballkan countries needs to consolidate is a need to see forward to the future and integration, otherwise turning back to history will make us ALL only to do wars and behave like animals in jungle as per Darvin theory: "the strongest win", but then we do not call our selves humans and we can not speak about civilization!!!
Peace to ALL!!!
You GO, Cedi. of course we all know that he doesn't represent the majority opinion inside serbia
roberto
frisco
(roberto, 9 March 2010 21:34)
The biggest problem with Чеда is not his views - many of them are worth to consider.
The problem is, that his views are "in line" with American politics on Balkan. And since the goals of that politics are EVIL: every support he gets is essentially supporting the Big Evil.
Thanks, we went through the "American benevolency" in Eastern Europe: it was nothing "benevolent".
The fact that some unholy forces are stronger in Russia is "thanks" to American (in general: Western) politics of 90-s. Without these "neo-liberals" or "neo-cons" the situation in Russia would be much more to your liking than it is today. America had a historic opportunity 10-15 years ago. It was lost pathetically.
Now deal with all the Davidovic and "Jobbik" and Putin, they are all your children.
I am sure you want more explanation.
The biggest problem is that at the time USSR was about to open/in opening process, that weakness was instantly abused to support America's strategic plan of dominating as much on the Planet Earth as possible.
To be more exact: under "America" I mean the American "Establishment" of course, not you or him or the country I otherwise value and like a lot.
Naturally the reaction was what it was. You know what the noble words like "democracy", "pluralism", "free market", "freedom" are associated with at this moment? With corruption, greed, oligarchs, chaos, poverty.
I am very pessimistic that I will convince you verbally. As much the people loving liberty and freedom were in opposition to the hard-line apparatchiks, so we remained in opposition. The situation is even worse: the establishment of America made us to be in opposition to EVERYTHING today. Luckily I have my profession. All I hope that the said establishment will self-destruct one day. The hope is dim because as much the Soviet nomenklatura did survive the change of the regime (was any change at all?), so will that establishment.
And of course the bitter enemies from yesterday (your much-hated nomenklatura) became the best friends of their kin in America. Did you see any serious critic to Saparmurat Niyazov, so-called "Turkmenbashi" ever? No? Maybe because he was friend of some you-know-where.
They are all rotten.
I am not that pessimistic or anarchist as the "Pink Pitbull" group... but they have some pieces of truth in their song called "death to all politicians". If you watch good, you will see many you know and some you do not.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f5pnAyVs-ao
Welcome to post-communist world, Roberto.
To others who did bother to read my rambling:
1) Some of the politicians you see in that pretty violent song (to be precise two) are on my "kinda OK maybe" list (Medvedyev and Lajos Bokros).
2) I have to apologize to pigs for the way they were insulted being compared with all the rest. Nice collection of leeches and gangsters (further apologies to leeches). Not my fault, some will recognize one or two of these criminals.
3) Of course, the "Pink Pitbull" group represents the feeling of losers. To a large degree we are the losers. To the rest who does not feel that, all I can say are the words of probably greatest Albanian about Americans
“The most terrible poverty is loneliness, and the feeling of being unloved.”
America's establishment essentially destroyed their biggest allies but did not gain ANYTHING. Thanks for nothing.
Back to Чеда again: much what he wants would perfectly make sense - if not being the pet idea of American Establishment. What they touch always magically becomes crap and fires back to us. Therefore I can't support Чеда, sorry.
Albanians are trying to steal Serbias territory and are now accusing Serbia of creating instability in the region by not accepting the theft of Serbian land.
Kosovo will never be albanian, no matter how many albanians chose to live there. Albanians already have a home, it's called Albania.
Actually our home is Illyria, at the moment slavic presence is impeding our plans for Balkan domination. :)
You choose Kosovo but unfortunately dear Vuk Kosovo DOESN’T choose you. And there is nothing you can do about that.
(A)
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Your attempt to rob Kosovo has failed, so your defence is "Kosovo doesn't choose you". Kosovo is and always has been, as it will always be a part of Serbia.
... Good day my people :)
Mr Jeremic's statements are no different from Kostunica's and Radiclas which unfortunately for Serbia and the region are very much resembling of those that Millosevic used to make during the 90's. We all know aht Millosevic did to Serbia and the whole region.
(Mr Q, 9 March 2010 12:46
Firstly it was Milosevic that kept Serbia proper intact, not the current political clowns. He also guaranteed RS, which when joined with Serbia will make it the most powerful country in the region both economically and militarily. If the current lot were in power in the 1990s there would be no Serbia today it would have been torn to pieces.
This is not the 1990s so let NATO try something and see how far it gets. The US would never have allowed Serbia to behave as now if this was 1999. It would have threatened bombing, but now Serbia just watches the US sink further and further into the dung pit.
The west is pulling its hair out because no sooner do they find a “cooperative politician” he/she later down the track turn out to be worse than the ultranationalist. Look at Milorad Dodik, the west thought they found a will stooge, but he played them off like a professional violinist plays a Stradivarius.
You GO, Cedi. of course we all know that he doesn't represent the majority opinion inside serbia, but he does provide thoughtful and principled leadership. which should never be taken for granted, esp. there.
jeremic is same old/ same old (nationalist demagogue) and speaks exactly to people's fears and knee-jerk "patriotism." meaning uncompromising nationalism. we all know where that leads, esp. in the balkans.
it is not true that all of cedi's fans are only "albanians" -- that group also includes members of other minorities and also numerous serb intellectuals and progressives.
in the face of so much nastiness and hostility (not to mention all of the many death threats) cedi has never given up, since at least the time of djindjic. keep it up, cedi, and never give up, never give in...
I am not surpised by Albanian
comments.They would support their muslim Turkish brothers.Wouldn't they?
(Leonidas, 9 March 2010 19:52)
I was surprised to learn, many Albanians actively dislike the memory of Ottoman Empire. After all, Ottomans devastated their territory, too. Before the Ottoman "brotherhood" the Albanians were divided roughly 50-50 between followers of Rome or being Orthodox. Most, like the Slavic-speaking population of Bosnia did chose the Muslim religion by convenience and to keep their sons safely away from Janissary draft.
The question arises that same can be said about the entire population of Anatolia. Janissary draft did change a lot to "convince" people re-think about the faith.
IMO, the Ottoman rule can be described as few sporadic decades of relative peace and centuries of brutal ethnic cleansing.
(LeDiplomat, 9 March 2010 13:15)
You are NOT a diplomat. I have been on 100s of meetings around the world and Serbias position about Kosovo has never been stronger than now. Were you in Brussels 2 weeks ago when we discussed that most probably ICJ will vote in Serbias favor and that there have to be further negotiations ?
ASK TO ANY Eu diplomat about the biggest mistake made in the last 20 years and the majority will respond...
CYPRUS....Where now Eu is stocked in and endless controversy with no solution..
(Luigi, 9 March 2010 15:46
I am not surpised by Albanian
comments.They would support their muslim Turkish brothers.Wouldn't they?
The fact is a settlement on the Cyprus problem was never a criterion required for Cyprus to become an EU member.
Turkish Cypriots made up only 18% of the population in 1974.Today Turkish settlers from anatolia exceed
the Turkish Cypriots by a ratio3:1 let alone the 40000 turkish troops stationed there.You don't have to be genious to see that Turkey has no intention of ever returning either the settlers or the military personell to Turkey.
I such a senario it would be advisable for the ROC to close the Green Line and stop all Turks coming to the South for employment and also withdraw all Greek Cypriot passports from all those Turkish Cypriots that show their allegiance to Turkey.
i'm sure even in pristina there are varied views on this issue..bravo serbian democracy..
(benzo, 9 March 2010 16:50)
Thanks and I think Serbia went lightyears compared with what was under Milosevic.
The view of people in Pristina - at least what I can say from few conversations - largely depends on their personal situation, what is more favorable and what the "independence" really means.
Being bossed around and intimidated by a Serbian mafiosi is not much different than having the same problem with Albanian mafiosi. The current problem #1 in Pristina seem to be the Drenica group, not what Jeremic tells in Tallin to his Estonian colleague.
Besides, the worse the outlook for the future and the bigger the mismanagement, the more people will turn to "big-lala-dream-country" ideas. Few years ago the number of hard-core nationalists where I live was well under 5%. Now, before the elections in April the number of people who think that salvation of Hungary is if it covers the whole Eurasia (Borneo included) is about 15-20% if not more, among the young probably 30-40%.
Ian, my good friend, it is Jovanovic who is living in his neo-liberal dream world.
(Niall O'Doherty, 9 March 2010 14:37)
I am not that familiar with Чеда and I don't think he did unfold completely. But thanks to use "neo-liberal" versus "liberal".
There is nothing wrong to be either "conservative" or "liberal". Besides, some are politically liberal while fiscally conservative or the other way. Both ideas are as old as the human civilization.
What is completely different is the "neo-liberal" and "neo-conservative". These are neither liberal nor conservative. I wonder sometimes, the "neo" isn't really just a Monica, I mean, sorry, moniker for an other ancient thing called "clepto". Than it's not new either, theft, too is as old as the civilization.
my dear Jeremic....weren't you told in Brussel that NO DIPLOMAT in EU, low or high-ranking, is even ready to discuss a second Cyprus !!!!!!!
Cyprus is the biggest mistake ever done by EU and will never be repeated...
You couldn't take much worst example...
no matter who u think was right or wrong last night its further proof serbia is a true democracy!! we'll never see such a debate regarding kosovo's status from k albanians, though i'm sure even in pristina there are varied views on this issue..bravo serbian democracy..
ASK TO ANY Eu diplomat about the biggest mistake made in the last 20 years and the majority will respond...
CYPRUS....Where now Eu is stocked in and endless controversy with no solution..
Albanians are trying to steal Serbias territory and are now accusing Serbia of creating instability in the region by not accepting the theft of Serbian land.
Kosovo will never be albanian, no matter how many albanians chose to live there. Albanians already have a home, it's called Albania.
there's absolutely no comparaison between the Turkish part of Cyprus and Kosovo: Only Turkey recognised the Turkish part of Cyprus as an independant state ... Kosovo is recognised by 65 states, among those that recognised Kosovo there are USA, UK, Saudi Arabia, Turkey, France, ...
No member of the EU recgnises Turkish part of Cyprus, but 22 of these members recognise Kosovo !!! so the comparaison between the two situations is completely obsolete. Cyprus entered EU without any problem because no one of its members recognise Turkish part of Cyprus, but for Serbia ... the situation isn't exactly the same.
This guy really runs the Ministry of Innovative Dreams,...never mind Serbian tax payers like being entertained (in these difficult times), and Jeremic seems to be the right man.
"I watched this last night, and was amazed with Ceda. I am an Albanian and, I would even vote for him to be Kosovo's Preseident, So There. He was correct and cool in all counts, and I hope for the good of Serbian future that more people turn to his views, which are progressive and realistic, rather than Wolfs' alice in ''wonderland'' !
(ZagorTeNeJ, 9 March 2010 11:02) "
Why don't you petition your government then to grant him "Kosova" citizenship? I'm sure many in Belgrade will be happy to donate a one way ticket for him to Pristina - then he can stand for election there and you will get your wish to vote for him as your president.
Mr, Jeremic you would like to choose Kosovo but do you think 2milion albanian choose you, you have to ask befor you make any statement,,,thank you and have nice day
If not accepting the theft of Serbian land is bad for the region then so be it. Some countries believe that the Balkans would be safer if Serbia gives up its land and accepts the expulsion of its people. All other people can have their own territory accept for the Serbs who should be spread out all over the Balkans and live like second class citizens. NO THANKS! Serbia will never accept an independent Kosovo or a unified Bosnia so deal with it! Albanians are not even prepared to let go of the North even though they have stolen pretty much the rest of the territory. Not even this tiny Serbian pocket should be able to enjoy peace and prosperity. Talk about hypocricy!
Well done for your courage Mr.Jovanovic.There are a lot of serbian politicians and diplomats that know the truth that "Serbia has already lost Kosovo" and that it is impossible that"the whole region has to accept a stand that is acceptable only to Serbia and no one else".....They have not your courage to tell the truth to the Serbian people....
I watched their debate last night and got very impressed with Jeremic. Cedo is Americas puppet. No wonder no one wants to vote for him, exept for the albanians. Serbia needs to show the world that it will not recognize the theft of Serbian territory. The public had an oportunity to call in after the show and have their say and most, if not all, supported the stand of Jeremic.
Mr Jeremic's statements are no different from Kostunica's and Radiclas which unfortunately for Serbia and the region are very much resembling of those that Millosevic used to make during the 90's. We all know aht Millosevic did to Serbia and the whole region.
if you learned from Cypro this is the worst leson you ever had,Cypro will never ever be as one country as long there are to different nationals living there.
I watched this last night, and was amazed with Ceda. I am an Albanian and, I would even vote for him to be Kosovo's Preseident, So There. He was correct and cool in all counts, and I hope for the good of Serbian future that more people turn to his views, which are progressive and realistic, rather than Wolfs' alice in ''wonderland'' !
I watched their debate last night and got very impressed with Jeremic. Cedo is Americas puppet. No wonder no one wants to vote for him, exept for the albanians. Serbia needs to show the world that it will not recognize the theft of Serbian territory. The public had an oportunity to call in after the show and have their say and most, if not all, supported the stand of Jeremic.
I watched this last night, and was amazed with Ceda. I am an Albanian and, I would even vote for him to be Kosovo's Preseident, So There. He was correct and cool in all counts, and I hope for the good of Serbian future that more people turn to his views, which are progressive and realistic, rather than Wolfs' alice in ''wonderland'' !
Mr, Jeremic you would like to choose Kosovo but do you think 2milion albanian choose you, you have to ask befor you make any statement,,,thank you and have nice day
"I watched this last night, and was amazed with Ceda. I am an Albanian and, I would even vote for him to be Kosovo's Preseident, So There. He was correct and cool in all counts, and I hope for the good of Serbian future that more people turn to his views, which are progressive and realistic, rather than Wolfs' alice in ''wonderland'' !
(ZagorTeNeJ, 9 March 2010 11:02) "
Why don't you petition your government then to grant him "Kosova" citizenship? I'm sure many in Belgrade will be happy to donate a one way ticket for him to Pristina - then he can stand for election there and you will get your wish to vote for him as your president.
if you learned from Cypro this is the worst leson you ever had,Cypro will never ever be as one country as long there are to different nationals living there.
Mr Jeremic's statements are no different from Kostunica's and Radiclas which unfortunately for Serbia and the region are very much resembling of those that Millosevic used to make during the 90's. We all know aht Millosevic did to Serbia and the whole region.
Well done for your courage Mr.Jovanovic.There are a lot of serbian politicians and diplomats that know the truth that "Serbia has already lost Kosovo" and that it is impossible that"the whole region has to accept a stand that is acceptable only to Serbia and no one else".....They have not your courage to tell the truth to the Serbian people....
there's absolutely no comparaison between the Turkish part of Cyprus and Kosovo: Only Turkey recognised the Turkish part of Cyprus as an independant state ... Kosovo is recognised by 65 states, among those that recognised Kosovo there are USA, UK, Saudi Arabia, Turkey, France, ...
No member of the EU recgnises Turkish part of Cyprus, but 22 of these members recognise Kosovo !!! so the comparaison between the two situations is completely obsolete. Cyprus entered EU without any problem because no one of its members recognise Turkish part of Cyprus, but for Serbia ... the situation isn't exactly the same.
If not accepting the theft of Serbian land is bad for the region then so be it. Some countries believe that the Balkans would be safer if Serbia gives up its land and accepts the expulsion of its people. All other people can have their own territory accept for the Serbs who should be spread out all over the Balkans and live like second class citizens. NO THANKS! Serbia will never accept an independent Kosovo or a unified Bosnia so deal with it! Albanians are not even prepared to let go of the North even though they have stolen pretty much the rest of the territory. Not even this tiny Serbian pocket should be able to enjoy peace and prosperity. Talk about hypocricy!
Albanians are trying to steal Serbias territory and are now accusing Serbia of creating instability in the region by not accepting the theft of Serbian land.
Kosovo will never be albanian, no matter how many albanians chose to live there. Albanians already have a home, it's called Albania.
This guy really runs the Ministry of Innovative Dreams,...never mind Serbian tax payers like being entertained (in these difficult times), and Jeremic seems to be the right man.
no matter who u think was right or wrong last night its further proof serbia is a true democracy!! we'll never see such a debate regarding kosovo's status from k albanians, though i'm sure even in pristina there are varied views on this issue..bravo serbian democracy..
my dear Jeremic....weren't you told in Brussel that NO DIPLOMAT in EU, low or high-ranking, is even ready to discuss a second Cyprus !!!!!!!
Cyprus is the biggest mistake ever done by EU and will never be repeated...
You couldn't take much worst example...
You GO, Cedi. of course we all know that he doesn't represent the majority opinion inside serbia, but he does provide thoughtful and principled leadership. which should never be taken for granted, esp. there.
jeremic is same old/ same old (nationalist demagogue) and speaks exactly to people's fears and knee-jerk "patriotism." meaning uncompromising nationalism. we all know where that leads, esp. in the balkans.
it is not true that all of cedi's fans are only "albanians" -- that group also includes members of other minorities and also numerous serb intellectuals and progressives.
in the face of so much nastiness and hostility (not to mention all of the many death threats) cedi has never given up, since at least the time of djindjic. keep it up, cedi, and never give up, never give in...
(LeDiplomat, 9 March 2010 13:15)
You are NOT a diplomat. I have been on 100s of meetings around the world and Serbias position about Kosovo has never been stronger than now. Were you in Brussels 2 weeks ago when we discussed that most probably ICJ will vote in Serbias favor and that there have to be further negotiations ?
ASK TO ANY Eu diplomat about the biggest mistake made in the last 20 years and the majority will respond...
CYPRUS....Where now Eu is stocked in and endless controversy with no solution..
(Luigi, 9 March 2010 15:46
I am not surpised by Albanian
comments.They would support their muslim Turkish brothers.Wouldn't they?
The fact is a settlement on the Cyprus problem was never a criterion required for Cyprus to become an EU member.
Turkish Cypriots made up only 18% of the population in 1974.Today Turkish settlers from anatolia exceed
the Turkish Cypriots by a ratio3:1 let alone the 40000 turkish troops stationed there.You don't have to be genious to see that Turkey has no intention of ever returning either the settlers or the military personell to Turkey.
I such a senario it would be advisable for the ROC to close the Green Line and stop all Turks coming to the South for employment and also withdraw all Greek Cypriot passports from all those Turkish Cypriots that show their allegiance to Turkey.
I am not surpised by Albanian
comments.They would support their muslim Turkish brothers.Wouldn't they?
(Leonidas, 9 March 2010 19:52)
I was surprised to learn, many Albanians actively dislike the memory of Ottoman Empire. After all, Ottomans devastated their territory, too. Before the Ottoman "brotherhood" the Albanians were divided roughly 50-50 between followers of Rome or being Orthodox. Most, like the Slavic-speaking population of Bosnia did chose the Muslim religion by convenience and to keep their sons safely away from Janissary draft.
The question arises that same can be said about the entire population of Anatolia. Janissary draft did change a lot to "convince" people re-think about the faith.
IMO, the Ottoman rule can be described as few sporadic decades of relative peace and centuries of brutal ethnic cleansing.
ASK TO ANY Eu diplomat about the biggest mistake made in the last 20 years and the majority will respond...
CYPRUS....Where now Eu is stocked in and endless controversy with no solution..
You choose Kosovo but unfortunately dear Vuk Kosovo DOESN’T choose you. And there is nothing you can do about that.
(A)
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Your attempt to rob Kosovo has failed, so your defence is "Kosovo doesn't choose you". Kosovo is and always has been, as it will always be a part of Serbia.
... Good day my people :)
Mr. Jeremic,
Nobody is asking you to give up! The only thing here is that simple society in ballcan region is suffering and living a poor life, you politicians all (Kosovo, Serbia, Montenegro, Albania, Macedonia...) are living a very good life, promissing everything and doing nothing, keeping nationalism high to realize your own interest and nothing for poor people! BTW you do politics as you want to do, but do not forget that you can not change the history. You say that you would fight for Kosovo, but you have no plans for Kosovo population, you speak about land and not about people, you forget that the ballcan land was there thousands of thausands of years before slavs comes there... So all these things you politicians forget and think only about your own single interest... Ballkan countries needs to consolidate is a need to see forward to the future and integration, otherwise turning back to history will make us ALL only to do wars and behave like animals in jungle as per Darvin theory: "the strongest win", but then we do not call our selves humans and we can not speak about civilization!!!
Peace to ALL!!!
i'm sure even in pristina there are varied views on this issue..bravo serbian democracy..
(benzo, 9 March 2010 16:50)
Thanks and I think Serbia went lightyears compared with what was under Milosevic.
The view of people in Pristina - at least what I can say from few conversations - largely depends on their personal situation, what is more favorable and what the "independence" really means.
Being bossed around and intimidated by a Serbian mafiosi is not much different than having the same problem with Albanian mafiosi. The current problem #1 in Pristina seem to be the Drenica group, not what Jeremic tells in Tallin to his Estonian colleague.
Besides, the worse the outlook for the future and the bigger the mismanagement, the more people will turn to "big-lala-dream-country" ideas. Few years ago the number of hard-core nationalists where I live was well under 5%. Now, before the elections in April the number of people who think that salvation of Hungary is if it covers the whole Eurasia (Borneo included) is about 15-20% if not more, among the young probably 30-40%.
Mr. Jeremic would choose Kosovo? The fact that he would "choose" means that Kosovo is a lost cause for Serbia.
Serbia has a problem of accepting reality. The faster Serbia accepts reality, the better it is for the serbs.
Ian, my good friend, it is Jovanovic who is living in his neo-liberal dream world.
(Niall O'Doherty, 9 March 2010 14:37)
I am not that familiar with Чеда and I don't think he did unfold completely. But thanks to use "neo-liberal" versus "liberal".
There is nothing wrong to be either "conservative" or "liberal". Besides, some are politically liberal while fiscally conservative or the other way. Both ideas are as old as the human civilization.
What is completely different is the "neo-liberal" and "neo-conservative". These are neither liberal nor conservative. I wonder sometimes, the "neo" isn't really just a Monica, I mean, sorry, moniker for an other ancient thing called "clepto". Than it's not new either, theft, too is as old as the civilization.
Albanians are trying to steal Serbias territory and are now accusing Serbia of creating instability in the region by not accepting the theft of Serbian land.
Kosovo will never be albanian, no matter how many albanians chose to live there. Albanians already have a home, it's called Albania.
Actually our home is Illyria, at the moment slavic presence is impeding our plans for Balkan domination. :)
You GO, Cedi. of course we all know that he doesn't represent the majority opinion inside serbia
roberto
frisco
(roberto, 9 March 2010 21:34)
The biggest problem with Чеда is not his views - many of them are worth to consider.
The problem is, that his views are "in line" with American politics on Balkan. And since the goals of that politics are EVIL: every support he gets is essentially supporting the Big Evil.
Thanks, we went through the "American benevolency" in Eastern Europe: it was nothing "benevolent".
The fact that some unholy forces are stronger in Russia is "thanks" to American (in general: Western) politics of 90-s. Without these "neo-liberals" or "neo-cons" the situation in Russia would be much more to your liking than it is today. America had a historic opportunity 10-15 years ago. It was lost pathetically.
Now deal with all the Davidovic and "Jobbik" and Putin, they are all your children.
I am sure you want more explanation.
The biggest problem is that at the time USSR was about to open/in opening process, that weakness was instantly abused to support America's strategic plan of dominating as much on the Planet Earth as possible.
To be more exact: under "America" I mean the American "Establishment" of course, not you or him or the country I otherwise value and like a lot.
Naturally the reaction was what it was. You know what the noble words like "democracy", "pluralism", "free market", "freedom" are associated with at this moment? With corruption, greed, oligarchs, chaos, poverty.
I am very pessimistic that I will convince you verbally. As much the people loving liberty and freedom were in opposition to the hard-line apparatchiks, so we remained in opposition. The situation is even worse: the establishment of America made us to be in opposition to EVERYTHING today. Luckily I have my profession. All I hope that the said establishment will self-destruct one day. The hope is dim because as much the Soviet nomenklatura did survive the change of the regime (was any change at all?), so will that establishment.
And of course the bitter enemies from yesterday (your much-hated nomenklatura) became the best friends of their kin in America. Did you see any serious critic to Saparmurat Niyazov, so-called "Turkmenbashi" ever? No? Maybe because he was friend of some you-know-where.
They are all rotten.
I am not that pessimistic or anarchist as the "Pink Pitbull" group... but they have some pieces of truth in their song called "death to all politicians". If you watch good, you will see many you know and some you do not.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f5pnAyVs-ao
Welcome to post-communist world, Roberto.
To others who did bother to read my rambling:
1) Some of the politicians you see in that pretty violent song (to be precise two) are on my "kinda OK maybe" list (Medvedyev and Lajos Bokros).
2) I have to apologize to pigs for the way they were insulted being compared with all the rest. Nice collection of leeches and gangsters (further apologies to leeches). Not my fault, some will recognize one or two of these criminals.
3) Of course, the "Pink Pitbull" group represents the feeling of losers. To a large degree we are the losers. To the rest who does not feel that, all I can say are the words of probably greatest Albanian about Americans
“The most terrible poverty is loneliness, and the feeling of being unloved.”
America's establishment essentially destroyed their biggest allies but did not gain ANYTHING. Thanks for nothing.
Back to Чеда again: much what he wants would perfectly make sense - if not being the pet idea of American Establishment. What they touch always magically becomes crap and fires back to us. Therefore I can't support Чеда, sorry.
Mr Jeremic's statements are no different from Kostunica's and Radiclas which unfortunately for Serbia and the region are very much resembling of those that Millosevic used to make during the 90's. We all know aht Millosevic did to Serbia and the whole region.
(Mr Q, 9 March 2010 12:46
Firstly it was Milosevic that kept Serbia proper intact, not the current political clowns. He also guaranteed RS, which when joined with Serbia will make it the most powerful country in the region both economically and militarily. If the current lot were in power in the 1990s there would be no Serbia today it would have been torn to pieces.
This is not the 1990s so let NATO try something and see how far it gets. The US would never have allowed Serbia to behave as now if this was 1999. It would have threatened bombing, but now Serbia just watches the US sink further and further into the dung pit.
The west is pulling its hair out because no sooner do they find a “cooperative politician” he/she later down the track turn out to be worse than the ultranationalist. Look at Milorad Dodik, the west thought they found a will stooge, but he played them off like a professional violinist plays a Stradivarius.
Maybe Milo Đukanović is Albanian because when he speaks they (Albanians) all synchronize his voice. It's all Albanian's fault,
right Pope?
(Hekuran, 10 March 2010 23:42)
Do not know, Milo Đukanović did not confess me all his sins yet. But he invited me for a cigarette and wanted to take a look at my car and fix somewhat underneath it. Milo seem to be a very nice guy and he seem to know a lot about cigarettes and how to convert regular cars to hot rods. But just in case I did not accept his offer.
Maybe Milo Đukanović is Albanian because when he speaks they (Albanians) all synchronize his voice. It's all Albanian's fault,
right Pope?
(Hekura)
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I dont think you see the point there claiming, try re-reading the comment if you don't fully understand the first time. :)
He also guaranteed RS, which when joined with Serbia will make it the most powerful country in the region both economically and militarily"
Oh yes, the most powerful country in region: former-YU excluding Slovenia and Croatia...
hahahaha
(the reason)
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Then why is NATO, US and EU all trying to be-friend Serbia? Why don't they just shut Serbia out of the equation completely? Again you have missed "reasoning" in your point... good day :)
I watched this last night, and was amazed with Ceda. I am an Albanian and, I would even vote for him to be Kosovo's Preseident, So There. He was correct and cool in all counts, and I hope for the good of Serbian future that more people turn to his views, which are progressive and realistic, rather than Wolfs' alice in ''wonderland'' !
Well done for your courage Mr.Jovanovic.There are a lot of serbian politicians and diplomats that know the truth that "Serbia has already lost Kosovo" and that it is impossible that"the whole region has to accept a stand that is acceptable only to Serbia and no one else".....They have not your courage to tell the truth to the Serbian people....
Mr Jeremic's statements are no different from Kostunica's and Radiclas which unfortunately for Serbia and the region are very much resembling of those that Millosevic used to make during the 90's. We all know aht Millosevic did to Serbia and the whole region.
Albanians are trying to steal Serbias territory and are now accusing Serbia of creating instability in the region by not accepting the theft of Serbian land.
Kosovo will never be albanian, no matter how many albanians chose to live there. Albanians already have a home, it's called Albania.
Mr, Jeremic you would like to choose Kosovo but do you think 2milion albanian choose you, you have to ask befor you make any statement,,,thank you and have nice day
I watched their debate last night and got very impressed with Jeremic. Cedo is Americas puppet. No wonder no one wants to vote for him, exept for the albanians. Serbia needs to show the world that it will not recognize the theft of Serbian territory. The public had an oportunity to call in after the show and have their say and most, if not all, supported the stand of Jeremic.
This guy really runs the Ministry of Innovative Dreams,...never mind Serbian tax payers like being entertained (in these difficult times), and Jeremic seems to be the right man.
If not accepting the theft of Serbian land is bad for the region then so be it. Some countries believe that the Balkans would be safer if Serbia gives up its land and accepts the expulsion of its people. All other people can have their own territory accept for the Serbs who should be spread out all over the Balkans and live like second class citizens. NO THANKS! Serbia will never accept an independent Kosovo or a unified Bosnia so deal with it! Albanians are not even prepared to let go of the North even though they have stolen pretty much the rest of the territory. Not even this tiny Serbian pocket should be able to enjoy peace and prosperity. Talk about hypocricy!
"I watched this last night, and was amazed with Ceda. I am an Albanian and, I would even vote for him to be Kosovo's Preseident, So There. He was correct and cool in all counts, and I hope for the good of Serbian future that more people turn to his views, which are progressive and realistic, rather than Wolfs' alice in ''wonderland'' !
(ZagorTeNeJ, 9 March 2010 11:02) "
Why don't you petition your government then to grant him "Kosova" citizenship? I'm sure many in Belgrade will be happy to donate a one way ticket for him to Pristina - then he can stand for election there and you will get your wish to vote for him as your president.
there's absolutely no comparaison between the Turkish part of Cyprus and Kosovo: Only Turkey recognised the Turkish part of Cyprus as an independant state ... Kosovo is recognised by 65 states, among those that recognised Kosovo there are USA, UK, Saudi Arabia, Turkey, France, ...
No member of the EU recgnises Turkish part of Cyprus, but 22 of these members recognise Kosovo !!! so the comparaison between the two situations is completely obsolete. Cyprus entered EU without any problem because no one of its members recognise Turkish part of Cyprus, but for Serbia ... the situation isn't exactly the same.
my dear Jeremic....weren't you told in Brussel that NO DIPLOMAT in EU, low or high-ranking, is even ready to discuss a second Cyprus !!!!!!!
Cyprus is the biggest mistake ever done by EU and will never be repeated...
You couldn't take much worst example...
(LeDiplomat, 9 March 2010 13:15)
You are NOT a diplomat. I have been on 100s of meetings around the world and Serbias position about Kosovo has never been stronger than now. Were you in Brussels 2 weeks ago when we discussed that most probably ICJ will vote in Serbias favor and that there have to be further negotiations ?
if you learned from Cypro this is the worst leson you ever had,Cypro will never ever be as one country as long there are to different nationals living there.
ASK TO ANY Eu diplomat about the biggest mistake made in the last 20 years and the majority will respond...
CYPRUS....Where now Eu is stocked in and endless controversy with no solution..
You choose Kosovo but unfortunately dear Vuk Kosovo DOESN’T choose you. And there is nothing you can do about that.
(A)
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Your attempt to rob Kosovo has failed, so your defence is "Kosovo doesn't choose you". Kosovo is and always has been, as it will always be a part of Serbia.
... Good day my people :)
Albanians are trying to steal Serbias territory and are now accusing Serbia of creating instability in the region by not accepting the theft of Serbian land.
Kosovo will never be albanian, no matter how many albanians chose to live there. Albanians already have a home, it's called Albania.
Actually our home is Illyria, at the moment slavic presence is impeding our plans for Balkan domination. :)
no matter who u think was right or wrong last night its further proof serbia is a true democracy!! we'll never see such a debate regarding kosovo's status from k albanians, though i'm sure even in pristina there are varied views on this issue..bravo serbian democracy..
You GO, Cedi. of course we all know that he doesn't represent the majority opinion inside serbia, but he does provide thoughtful and principled leadership. which should never be taken for granted, esp. there.
jeremic is same old/ same old (nationalist demagogue) and speaks exactly to people's fears and knee-jerk "patriotism." meaning uncompromising nationalism. we all know where that leads, esp. in the balkans.
it is not true that all of cedi's fans are only "albanians" -- that group also includes members of other minorities and also numerous serb intellectuals and progressives.
in the face of so much nastiness and hostility (not to mention all of the many death threats) cedi has never given up, since at least the time of djindjic. keep it up, cedi, and never give up, never give in...
Mr Jeremic's statements are no different from Kostunica's and Radiclas which unfortunately for Serbia and the region are very much resembling of those that Millosevic used to make during the 90's. We all know aht Millosevic did to Serbia and the whole region.
(Mr Q, 9 March 2010 12:46
Firstly it was Milosevic that kept Serbia proper intact, not the current political clowns. He also guaranteed RS, which when joined with Serbia will make it the most powerful country in the region both economically and militarily. If the current lot were in power in the 1990s there would be no Serbia today it would have been torn to pieces.
This is not the 1990s so let NATO try something and see how far it gets. The US would never have allowed Serbia to behave as now if this was 1999. It would have threatened bombing, but now Serbia just watches the US sink further and further into the dung pit.
The west is pulling its hair out because no sooner do they find a “cooperative politician” he/she later down the track turn out to be worse than the ultranationalist. Look at Milorad Dodik, the west thought they found a will stooge, but he played them off like a professional violinist plays a Stradivarius.
You GO, Cedi. of course we all know that he doesn't represent the majority opinion inside serbia
roberto
frisco
(roberto, 9 March 2010 21:34)
The biggest problem with Чеда is not his views - many of them are worth to consider.
The problem is, that his views are "in line" with American politics on Balkan. And since the goals of that politics are EVIL: every support he gets is essentially supporting the Big Evil.
Thanks, we went through the "American benevolency" in Eastern Europe: it was nothing "benevolent".
The fact that some unholy forces are stronger in Russia is "thanks" to American (in general: Western) politics of 90-s. Without these "neo-liberals" or "neo-cons" the situation in Russia would be much more to your liking than it is today. America had a historic opportunity 10-15 years ago. It was lost pathetically.
Now deal with all the Davidovic and "Jobbik" and Putin, they are all your children.
I am sure you want more explanation.
The biggest problem is that at the time USSR was about to open/in opening process, that weakness was instantly abused to support America's strategic plan of dominating as much on the Planet Earth as possible.
To be more exact: under "America" I mean the American "Establishment" of course, not you or him or the country I otherwise value and like a lot.
Naturally the reaction was what it was. You know what the noble words like "democracy", "pluralism", "free market", "freedom" are associated with at this moment? With corruption, greed, oligarchs, chaos, poverty.
I am very pessimistic that I will convince you verbally. As much the people loving liberty and freedom were in opposition to the hard-line apparatchiks, so we remained in opposition. The situation is even worse: the establishment of America made us to be in opposition to EVERYTHING today. Luckily I have my profession. All I hope that the said establishment will self-destruct one day. The hope is dim because as much the Soviet nomenklatura did survive the change of the regime (was any change at all?), so will that establishment.
And of course the bitter enemies from yesterday (your much-hated nomenklatura) became the best friends of their kin in America. Did you see any serious critic to Saparmurat Niyazov, so-called "Turkmenbashi" ever? No? Maybe because he was friend of some you-know-where.
They are all rotten.
I am not that pessimistic or anarchist as the "Pink Pitbull" group... but they have some pieces of truth in their song called "death to all politicians". If you watch good, you will see many you know and some you do not.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f5pnAyVs-ao
Welcome to post-communist world, Roberto.
To others who did bother to read my rambling:
1) Some of the politicians you see in that pretty violent song (to be precise two) are on my "kinda OK maybe" list (Medvedyev and Lajos Bokros).
2) I have to apologize to pigs for the way they were insulted being compared with all the rest. Nice collection of leeches and gangsters (further apologies to leeches). Not my fault, some will recognize one or two of these criminals.
3) Of course, the "Pink Pitbull" group represents the feeling of losers. To a large degree we are the losers. To the rest who does not feel that, all I can say are the words of probably greatest Albanian about Americans
“The most terrible poverty is loneliness, and the feeling of being unloved.”
America's establishment essentially destroyed their biggest allies but did not gain ANYTHING. Thanks for nothing.
Back to Чеда again: much what he wants would perfectly make sense - if not being the pet idea of American Establishment. What they touch always magically becomes crap and fires back to us. Therefore I can't support Чеда, sorry.
ASK TO ANY Eu diplomat about the biggest mistake made in the last 20 years and the majority will respond...
CYPRUS....Where now Eu is stocked in and endless controversy with no solution..
(Luigi, 9 March 2010 15:46
I am not surpised by Albanian
comments.They would support their muslim Turkish brothers.Wouldn't they?
The fact is a settlement on the Cyprus problem was never a criterion required for Cyprus to become an EU member.
Turkish Cypriots made up only 18% of the population in 1974.Today Turkish settlers from anatolia exceed
the Turkish Cypriots by a ratio3:1 let alone the 40000 turkish troops stationed there.You don't have to be genious to see that Turkey has no intention of ever returning either the settlers or the military personell to Turkey.
I such a senario it would be advisable for the ROC to close the Green Line and stop all Turks coming to the South for employment and also withdraw all Greek Cypriot passports from all those Turkish Cypriots that show their allegiance to Turkey.
Mr. Jeremic would choose Kosovo? The fact that he would "choose" means that Kosovo is a lost cause for Serbia.
Serbia has a problem of accepting reality. The faster Serbia accepts reality, the better it is for the serbs.
Ian, my good friend, it is Jovanovic who is living in his neo-liberal dream world.
(Niall O'Doherty, 9 March 2010 14:37)
I am not that familiar with Чеда and I don't think he did unfold completely. But thanks to use "neo-liberal" versus "liberal".
There is nothing wrong to be either "conservative" or "liberal". Besides, some are politically liberal while fiscally conservative or the other way. Both ideas are as old as the human civilization.
What is completely different is the "neo-liberal" and "neo-conservative". These are neither liberal nor conservative. I wonder sometimes, the "neo" isn't really just a Monica, I mean, sorry, moniker for an other ancient thing called "clepto". Than it's not new either, theft, too is as old as the civilization.
i'm sure even in pristina there are varied views on this issue..bravo serbian democracy..
(benzo, 9 March 2010 16:50)
Thanks and I think Serbia went lightyears compared with what was under Milosevic.
The view of people in Pristina - at least what I can say from few conversations - largely depends on their personal situation, what is more favorable and what the "independence" really means.
Being bossed around and intimidated by a Serbian mafiosi is not much different than having the same problem with Albanian mafiosi. The current problem #1 in Pristina seem to be the Drenica group, not what Jeremic tells in Tallin to his Estonian colleague.
Besides, the worse the outlook for the future and the bigger the mismanagement, the more people will turn to "big-lala-dream-country" ideas. Few years ago the number of hard-core nationalists where I live was well under 5%. Now, before the elections in April the number of people who think that salvation of Hungary is if it covers the whole Eurasia (Borneo included) is about 15-20% if not more, among the young probably 30-40%.
I am not surpised by Albanian
comments.They would support their muslim Turkish brothers.Wouldn't they?
(Leonidas, 9 March 2010 19:52)
I was surprised to learn, many Albanians actively dislike the memory of Ottoman Empire. After all, Ottomans devastated their territory, too. Before the Ottoman "brotherhood" the Albanians were divided roughly 50-50 between followers of Rome or being Orthodox. Most, like the Slavic-speaking population of Bosnia did chose the Muslim religion by convenience and to keep their sons safely away from Janissary draft.
The question arises that same can be said about the entire population of Anatolia. Janissary draft did change a lot to "convince" people re-think about the faith.
IMO, the Ottoman rule can be described as few sporadic decades of relative peace and centuries of brutal ethnic cleansing.
Maybe Milo Đukanović is Albanian because when he speaks they (Albanians) all synchronize his voice. It's all Albanian's fault,
right Pope?
(Hekura)
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I dont think you see the point there claiming, try re-reading the comment if you don't fully understand the first time. :)
Mr. Jeremic,
Nobody is asking you to give up! The only thing here is that simple society in ballcan region is suffering and living a poor life, you politicians all (Kosovo, Serbia, Montenegro, Albania, Macedonia...) are living a very good life, promissing everything and doing nothing, keeping nationalism high to realize your own interest and nothing for poor people! BTW you do politics as you want to do, but do not forget that you can not change the history. You say that you would fight for Kosovo, but you have no plans for Kosovo population, you speak about land and not about people, you forget that the ballcan land was there thousands of thausands of years before slavs comes there... So all these things you politicians forget and think only about your own single interest... Ballkan countries needs to consolidate is a need to see forward to the future and integration, otherwise turning back to history will make us ALL only to do wars and behave like animals in jungle as per Darvin theory: "the strongest win", but then we do not call our selves humans and we can not speak about civilization!!!
Peace to ALL!!!
He also guaranteed RS, which when joined with Serbia will make it the most powerful country in the region both economically and militarily"
Oh yes, the most powerful country in region: former-YU excluding Slovenia and Croatia...
hahahaha
(the reason)
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Then why is NATO, US and EU all trying to be-friend Serbia? Why don't they just shut Serbia out of the equation completely? Again you have missed "reasoning" in your point... good day :)
Maybe Milo Đukanović is Albanian because when he speaks they (Albanians) all synchronize his voice. It's all Albanian's fault,
right Pope?
(Hekuran, 10 March 2010 23:42)
Do not know, Milo Đukanović did not confess me all his sins yet. But he invited me for a cigarette and wanted to take a look at my car and fix somewhat underneath it. Milo seem to be a very nice guy and he seem to know a lot about cigarettes and how to convert regular cars to hot rods. But just in case I did not accept his offer.
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