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Sunday, 07.03.2010.

11:17

Ghana confirms stance on Kosovo

Ghana will not recognize Kosovo as independent, Foreign Minister Vuk Jeremić said in Accra, Ghana.

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UK

pre 14 godina

I'd like to add that we don't care if Ghana or Malawi recognizes Kosovo, more importatant are USA, UK, France, Russia, Germany, China.

But the MOST IMPORTANT thing is that we are free from Serbia and that's a fact!

Cheers
(Hekuran)

Be under no illusions that the general public here recognise your UDI. There was never a referendum to ask anyone, simply a few blind politicians who can do nothing other than follow like puppets the US. I wish that a referendum would be called and the public presented with the facts. In that scenario I think you might find the worthless acceptance starting to dwindle.

trudsaam

pre 14 godina

Niall O'Doherty,

I don't know where are you from but as a Kosovo citizen I invite you to visit and see everything with your own eyes.

I'd like to add that we don't care if Ghana or Malawi recognizes Kosovo, more importatant are USA, UK, France, Russia, Germany, China.

But the MOST IMPORTANT thing is that we are free from Serbia and that's a fact!

Cheers
(Hekuran)
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First off China does not recognize your so-called state. Secondly, your free from nobody, you are being violated from all corners of the world now, thanks to your so-called independance. And thirdly, untill you RECOGNIZE Serbia as your governement, then and only then will you see improvement in your community... Good day :)

Milan

pre 14 godina

Oh yes, it is the same situation with albaninas in Preshevo, Tetovo, Kumanovo ... we see albanian flags there but we don't have an foregin embassies there do we?
(Hekuran, 9 March 2010 16:57)
Hekuran - In Preševo citizens used serbian passports, pay in dinars, take power from EPS, are connected by Železnice Srbije, have on autos serbian licence plates, call by Telekom Srbija, used Pošta Srbije take school certificates from Ministry of Education of Serbia... Same like in Zvečan. These two regions are part of one state - Republic of Serbia :)

Michael R.

pre 14 godina

Fair enough, Serbs already got rid of Milosevic, you should get rid of warlords.

Ataman


Ataman,

With all due respect, although you seem to know something about llokum and Balkan cheeses, it is unfortunate, however, that your knowledge of Balkan politics is not up to snuff. I beg to differ, but it was not the Serbs that removed Milosevic from power, in fact it was NATO bombing that moved Slobo to the Hague. If you remember correctly, a large portion of the Serb people were trying to protect him from being extradited to the Hague and even voted for him in his last attempt to steal the election. Most informed people that followed the events in Jugoslavia of the last twenty years know this very well.
BTW, we do not consider Kosova's democratically elected officials "warlords" and neither does the UN, EU, NATO or the Hague.

Hekuran

pre 14 godina

But the MOST IMPORTANT thing is that we are free from Serbia and that's a fact!

Cheers
(Hekuran, 9 March 2010 12:34)

So - come to Zvečan and look the reality ;)
(Milan, 9 March 2010 16:35)

Oh yes, it is the same situation with albaninas in Preshevo, Tetovo, Kumanovo ... we see albanian flags there but we don't have an foregin embassies there do we?

Milan

pre 14 godina

But the MOST IMPORTANT thing is that we are free from Serbia and that's a fact!

Cheers
(Hekuran, 9 March 2010 12:34)

So - come to Zvečan and look the reality ;)

Hekuran

pre 14 godina

Niall O'Doherty,

I don't know where are you from but as a Kosovo citizen I invite you to visit and see everything with your own eyes.

I'd like to add that we don't care if Ghana or Malawi recognizes Kosovo, more importatant are USA, UK, France, Russia, Germany, China.

But the MOST IMPORTANT thing is that we are free from Serbia and that's a fact!

Cheers

pss

pre 14 godina

When an insignificant island like palau recognizes kosovo, they make a big fuss. When an African nation like Ghana refuses to recognize kosovo, they insult them. Shows you what a tiny people they are.
(JohnBoy, 7 March 2010 21:09)
Of course the opposite is true also.
Every nation that recognizes is deemed insignificant either because of size or "because their US masters told them to" but every little nation with less GDP than Kosovo that does not recognize is the most important country in the world. But I won't repeat the comment about "what tiny people they are"

merrycynic

pre 14 godina

Why doesn't this quote the Ghahanians? It's just Jeremic saying that they said something, which means he's the sole source and originator of this story. We may surmise he is not an entirely disinterested party, so it makes the credibility of the article questionable, to put it politely.

Niall O'Doherty

pre 14 godina

When an insignificant island like palau recognizes kosovo, they make a big fuss. When an African nation like Ghana refuses to recognize kosovo, they insult them. Shows you what a tiny people they are.
(JohnBoy, 7 March 2010 21:09)

Nail on the head there JohnBoy. What escapes the Albanian irredentists is that the big hitters in Africa - Nigeria, Ghana, DR Congo, Gabon, South Africa and the Maghreb (Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia, Libya, Egypt) have consistantly said no.

Indeed DR Congo President Joseph Kabila is on record for saying that he will not recognise Kosovo for as long as he lives.

Thats quite emphatic :)

1 recognition this year, only 2 further in the last 6 months.

Its clear who is being the most effective and it aint Mr. Hysterical.

Hekuran

pre 14 godina

I can see that only Vuk is talking.

I didn't read Ganinan or Pakistani President's or Prime Minister's say anything about Kosovo, becuase Vuk is more important and of course knows everything (remember Malaysia).

Cheers

ZMAJ

pre 14 godina

When an insignificant island like palau recognizes kosovo, they make a big fuss. When an African nation like Ghana refuses to recognize kosovo, they insult them. Shows you what a tiny people they are.
(JohnBoy, 7 March 2010 21:09)

They'll insult the US on the end. Don't you believe that?

Ataman

pre 14 godina

Again, thank you for your feedback, even though I believe that you have missed my point it was constructive and thus truly valid in that respect.
(Mr Rae, 7 March 2010 20:11)

Indeed. What I badly miss here is the cultural 1:1. Very rare is a post which reveals interesting facts about the "opponent". For instance, I was intrigued that in the community where Village-Bey lives they have llokum eating contest.

That tells me 1000 times more about the people and makes me respect their habits better than few dozens of pointless trolling about as mature as kindergarten.

Some few jokes about cheese from the same (very much respected) poster made me curious and I did buy it later. Just to learn, while it's similar to Serbian or Greek, there are differences I can taste. Tells much more about Albanians than few kindergarten-style outcries. I usually ignore these - but once in a while I can freak out, too, depending on the number of bugs I have to deal in the ASIC-s we have to support. The more the bugs, the less is my patience.

trudsaam

pre 14 godina

In plain English who cares what Ghana thinks about Kosovo/a. The FACT and the REALITY is that THERE WILL BE NO RETURN OF KOSOVO/A to Serbia. Can you people see/hear/understand that? Serbia with his current policy towards Kosovo/a is making Albanians as a nation a massive favour in speeding up their Integration and Unification. Milosevic disintegrated Yugoslavia. Current Serbia's position is helping in consolidating Albanians and making them more hostile towards Serbia. That is the hard REALITY.
(EA)
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Return what ? Kosovo still belongs to Serbia, only a few select nations don't agree BUT most of the free world sees Kosovo as Serbia's southern province. THIS IS THE HARD REALITY mate. So far everything happening is actually in Serbia's favor, the world is seeing the disfunctionality of the province. So my friend, continue being hostile to Serbia and its people, but remember one thing; As long as you live in Kosovo you live in Serbia.

Ataman

pre 14 godina

Current Serbia's position is helping in consolidating Albanians and making them more hostile towards Serbia. That is the hard REALITY.
(EA, 7 March 2010 18:32)

Incorrect. The hard reality is: the hostility towards Serbia is the form what frustration is coming out. The younger ones whom I met and who probably never even visited the "real" Serbia are more hostile than the older ones, in particular the ones who ever worked abroad.

The politics "West" is playing with Kosovo is pretty sickening and I expected much more professionalism.

I think, we can agree this will fail badly. What will come I do not know, all I know is that the both players of that conflict are there for millennia and that it became really bad during Ottoman era only.

Turks are no more the rulers there, so you have the opportunity to strike a deal. As much as you do not want to deal with Milosevic, so Serbs do not want to deal with all these snakes and warlords. Fair enough, Serbs already got rid of Milosevic, you should get rid of warlords.

It is very frustrating indeed to read endless "our warlords are the best" BS. I am not an expert but I can testify this does not reflect what people in Kosovo told me. If they are afraid to speak out loudly - than that's an other "sneaky" problem you have to address somehow because it's not normal.

Sam, UK

pre 14 godina

I'm on Serbia's side, but when I was the title of the article I did assume it would be a Ghanaian confirming their stance on Kosovo, not Jeremic confirming Ghana's stance on Kosovo.

winston

pre 14 godina

"Current Serbia's position is helping in consolidating Albanians and making them more hostile towards Serbia" - EA.
That's nice, EA. So nice to see that your agenda is just anything anti-Serb, and not what is good for the people's of Kosovo, and the Balkans. If people with your mentality disappeared from the world, it could move onto reconciliation and peace, but unfortunately, their are people with your mentality, and we must continue with guns, soldiers, barbed wire, and yes, hatred and revenge. Hope you are not a parent, and teaching future generations to hate too.

Mladen

pre 14 godina

Amazing how the Albanians here dont care if any country does not recognize them...
you can be a country with less than 1/3 of the world recognizing you.

Claiming it doesnt matter as long as the US recognizes you is a very bad argument

JohnBoy

pre 14 godina

When an insignificant island like palau recognizes kosovo, they make a big fuss. When an African nation like Ghana refuses to recognize kosovo, they insult them. Shows you what a tiny people they are.

Mr Rae

pre 14 godina

arti,
Thank you for your response. I'm somewhat surprised you'd consider my views communist, but that perhaps might be close enough, if you've been sold the rhetoric coming from the US at the moment. If in fact you are from the US, consider that many of your Founding Fathers and subsequent preseidents were very strong proponents of socialism. It was not until the Soviet Union, and thus the antithesis of capitalism that socialism in the US became a bad word.
Regarding my post, and the wish, to read or not to read other's posts I believe that you may have missed my point. A valid post is good. A pointless post is not. I'd rather not have to weed through piles of pointless posts, just so that some nationalist (on either, or any, side) can beat their chest with pure trash that gets nobody any further either understand, or reconciling.
Again, thank you for your feedback, even though I believe that you have missed my point it was constructive and thus truly valid in that respect.

Al Bundy

pre 14 godina

No doubt that if the partition happened today the US would never gather even 20% of those who recognized Kosovo as an independent state. Also I hate the reasons why most of the states recognize (or not) the ruaways. Most often it happens not because of the common sense or what is called International Law but because each side tries to use the crisis in it's own favor. And nobody cares of the entrapped Albanians and the Serbian refugees.
!

EA

pre 14 godina

In plain English who cares what Ghana thinks about Kosovo/a. The FACT and the REALITY is that THERE WILL BE NO RETURN OF KOSOVO/A to Serbia. Can you people see/hear/understand that? Serbia with his current policy towards Kosovo/a is making Albanians as a nation a massive favour in speeding up their Integration and Unification. Milosevic disintegrated Yugoslavia. Current Serbia's position is helping in consolidating Albanians and making them more hostile towards Serbia. That is the hard REALITY.

arti

pre 14 godina

(Mr Rae, 7 March 2010 15:12)
Mr Rae,I can see you don't have much info about the Balcas, there're many times somebody here sugest that other people ( usually if you're the opposite view ) but Serbs shouldn't comment here because B92 is a Serbian media outlet, that's the Balcan, similar to the bumper sticker you see here in the states " if you can't stand behind our troops stand in front of them ", myself even though I don't agree with some of your comunist views that doesn't mean I wouldn't want to hear what others have to say,that's the reason I visit here, don't take it personaly.

Mr Rae

pre 14 godina

I'm wondering if the Albanian fans here are pots or kettles. Since they're too black to actually see their shapes. Isn't it your group that flies off the handle when one of your sponsored mouthpieces declares a country will soon recognize -- countless Greece and Russia cases come to mind? Aren't you then relying on your FM, or PM, or some unsubstantiated source of information to perch up high on your soapboxes and yell to the mountaintops that you know something, that seems to eventually crash down as a total fabrication. Would you then consider that your insiders are playing the same game as the Serbian FM? and if you do (though you really should otherwise you really don't have any place discussing politics because it is in fact what their role is to a large degree) wouldn't your agree that the Serbian FM is doing a much better job than your own champion. Now, when one thinks of how adults (and some of this lot have even claimed to have procreated many years prior -- which classifies them as an adults according to standard census classifications) should behave versus how children do; by bashing an actor relentlessly for acting out their role effectively, while at the same time not considering the ineffectual way one's actor behaves, well that sounds more immature than mature behavior.
Furthermore belittling every other nation the world over, using various ill conceived logic further demonstrates lack of maturity on both arguing, understanding, and simple logic. One cannot deny the fact that the US is the sole remaining superpower (as of not too long ago). One cannot also deny the fact that the emerging economic and militaristic mini powers are a serious threat to US aspirations (which are frankly not so much those of the country as much as they are those of the banking elite -- but that's an altogether different issue, though it does have some degree of relevance to this issue). One cannot also deny the fact that international games are played by the power brokers and their fancies change with the winds.
Now, to be fair, it may have seemed like I've simply based one side of this argument, and I do realize that it looks like that, so the Pro-Serbian band must also recognize that though Ghana is a stronger African nation, it's role in global politics is mere a number in the list of 192 (or whatever the count is now). The powerful Western nations are not easily willing to give up their power (even though it is currently simply slipping away -- not to other nations, but to individuals who roam without need of a nation and hide behind governments), and the up and coming nations are weary of these older relics of powerful pasts (it must be noted that of these former colonial powers, their only known way of removing themselves from their current economic turmoil is to spend even more on wars -- and once the foreign mini powers that are the creditors to these wars can no longer, or simply choose to no longer finance these wars, the US currency as world reserve becomes a thing of the past, and those wars are no longer plausible in their current incarnation) for the old man still has fight in him and will not hesitate to take everyone down along side him as a last petty act of desperation, if it comes down to blows.

To be honest, I enjoy visiting this site to be informed, to learn about a situation that I didn't know much about not too long ago, but I find it ever more annoying to see pointless trash talk from both sides. I would make a request to the mediator to have two separate comment pools; one for well thought out comments that add to the discussion, and another one for the leaches that feed off of it. This way, we can all enjoy what it is we enjoy on this forum, but we can avoid what it is we wish to avoid. It might take a little bit more effort (not much as these comments are already being screened) to do that.
It is really annoying to watch the tennis match of "yes/no/yes/no" or "I'm super, you're crap/no, I'm super, and you're crap", or "your team is useless, mine is the best/again, you're wrong because my team is the best and yours is useless". It would be so much better to read more open, frank well thought out discussion points, arguments or not, simple adults conversing in an adult manner (perhaps make it forums for adults and children instead ;) ).
Apparently I've spent more than just 2 cents on this post.

ZMAJ

pre 14 godina

This is very important for Serbia.
PS.ALl these democratic countries: yesterday it was Pakistani.
(Beha Vushtrri, 7 March 2010 11:29)

And.., Albania should be democratic one, I assume??!

Kosova-USA

pre 14 godina

The rebel government must step up, all these news about non-recognition is getting boring. Surely there is an island out there that can be bought?
(AdamSRB, 7 March 2010 11:27)

Look like you smell it that;there is somthing on the wind coming towards Kosova/o.
Why does Vuk always speaks on behalf of others, rather than letting others speak for themselves?
Great PR for internal consumtion.

AdamSRB

pre 14 godina

The rebel government must step up, all these news about non-recognition is getting boring. Surely there is an island out there that can be bought?

antekosova

pre 14 godina

Who cares about Ghana with a median age of 20 years. First build your country up then you can talk about how other countries should do.

Mr Rae

pre 14 godina

I'm wondering if the Albanian fans here are pots or kettles. Since they're too black to actually see their shapes. Isn't it your group that flies off the handle when one of your sponsored mouthpieces declares a country will soon recognize -- countless Greece and Russia cases come to mind? Aren't you then relying on your FM, or PM, or some unsubstantiated source of information to perch up high on your soapboxes and yell to the mountaintops that you know something, that seems to eventually crash down as a total fabrication. Would you then consider that your insiders are playing the same game as the Serbian FM? and if you do (though you really should otherwise you really don't have any place discussing politics because it is in fact what their role is to a large degree) wouldn't your agree that the Serbian FM is doing a much better job than your own champion. Now, when one thinks of how adults (and some of this lot have even claimed to have procreated many years prior -- which classifies them as an adults according to standard census classifications) should behave versus how children do; by bashing an actor relentlessly for acting out their role effectively, while at the same time not considering the ineffectual way one's actor behaves, well that sounds more immature than mature behavior.
Furthermore belittling every other nation the world over, using various ill conceived logic further demonstrates lack of maturity on both arguing, understanding, and simple logic. One cannot deny the fact that the US is the sole remaining superpower (as of not too long ago). One cannot also deny the fact that the emerging economic and militaristic mini powers are a serious threat to US aspirations (which are frankly not so much those of the country as much as they are those of the banking elite -- but that's an altogether different issue, though it does have some degree of relevance to this issue). One cannot also deny the fact that international games are played by the power brokers and their fancies change with the winds.
Now, to be fair, it may have seemed like I've simply based one side of this argument, and I do realize that it looks like that, so the Pro-Serbian band must also recognize that though Ghana is a stronger African nation, it's role in global politics is mere a number in the list of 192 (or whatever the count is now). The powerful Western nations are not easily willing to give up their power (even though it is currently simply slipping away -- not to other nations, but to individuals who roam without need of a nation and hide behind governments), and the up and coming nations are weary of these older relics of powerful pasts (it must be noted that of these former colonial powers, their only known way of removing themselves from their current economic turmoil is to spend even more on wars -- and once the foreign mini powers that are the creditors to these wars can no longer, or simply choose to no longer finance these wars, the US currency as world reserve becomes a thing of the past, and those wars are no longer plausible in their current incarnation) for the old man still has fight in him and will not hesitate to take everyone down along side him as a last petty act of desperation, if it comes down to blows.

To be honest, I enjoy visiting this site to be informed, to learn about a situation that I didn't know much about not too long ago, but I find it ever more annoying to see pointless trash talk from both sides. I would make a request to the mediator to have two separate comment pools; one for well thought out comments that add to the discussion, and another one for the leaches that feed off of it. This way, we can all enjoy what it is we enjoy on this forum, but we can avoid what it is we wish to avoid. It might take a little bit more effort (not much as these comments are already being screened) to do that.
It is really annoying to watch the tennis match of "yes/no/yes/no" or "I'm super, you're crap/no, I'm super, and you're crap", or "your team is useless, mine is the best/again, you're wrong because my team is the best and yours is useless". It would be so much better to read more open, frank well thought out discussion points, arguments or not, simple adults conversing in an adult manner (perhaps make it forums for adults and children instead ;) ).
Apparently I've spent more than just 2 cents on this post.

Al Bundy

pre 14 godina

No doubt that if the partition happened today the US would never gather even 20% of those who recognized Kosovo as an independent state. Also I hate the reasons why most of the states recognize (or not) the ruaways. Most often it happens not because of the common sense or what is called International Law but because each side tries to use the crisis in it's own favor. And nobody cares of the entrapped Albanians and the Serbian refugees.
!

ZMAJ

pre 14 godina

This is very important for Serbia.
PS.ALl these democratic countries: yesterday it was Pakistani.
(Beha Vushtrri, 7 March 2010 11:29)

And.., Albania should be democratic one, I assume??!

AdamSRB

pre 14 godina

The rebel government must step up, all these news about non-recognition is getting boring. Surely there is an island out there that can be bought?

JohnBoy

pre 14 godina

When an insignificant island like palau recognizes kosovo, they make a big fuss. When an African nation like Ghana refuses to recognize kosovo, they insult them. Shows you what a tiny people they are.

Mr Rae

pre 14 godina

arti,
Thank you for your response. I'm somewhat surprised you'd consider my views communist, but that perhaps might be close enough, if you've been sold the rhetoric coming from the US at the moment. If in fact you are from the US, consider that many of your Founding Fathers and subsequent preseidents were very strong proponents of socialism. It was not until the Soviet Union, and thus the antithesis of capitalism that socialism in the US became a bad word.
Regarding my post, and the wish, to read or not to read other's posts I believe that you may have missed my point. A valid post is good. A pointless post is not. I'd rather not have to weed through piles of pointless posts, just so that some nationalist (on either, or any, side) can beat their chest with pure trash that gets nobody any further either understand, or reconciling.
Again, thank you for your feedback, even though I believe that you have missed my point it was constructive and thus truly valid in that respect.

Kosova-USA

pre 14 godina

The rebel government must step up, all these news about non-recognition is getting boring. Surely there is an island out there that can be bought?
(AdamSRB, 7 March 2010 11:27)

Look like you smell it that;there is somthing on the wind coming towards Kosova/o.
Why does Vuk always speaks on behalf of others, rather than letting others speak for themselves?
Great PR for internal consumtion.

Ataman

pre 14 godina

Current Serbia's position is helping in consolidating Albanians and making them more hostile towards Serbia. That is the hard REALITY.
(EA, 7 March 2010 18:32)

Incorrect. The hard reality is: the hostility towards Serbia is the form what frustration is coming out. The younger ones whom I met and who probably never even visited the "real" Serbia are more hostile than the older ones, in particular the ones who ever worked abroad.

The politics "West" is playing with Kosovo is pretty sickening and I expected much more professionalism.

I think, we can agree this will fail badly. What will come I do not know, all I know is that the both players of that conflict are there for millennia and that it became really bad during Ottoman era only.

Turks are no more the rulers there, so you have the opportunity to strike a deal. As much as you do not want to deal with Milosevic, so Serbs do not want to deal with all these snakes and warlords. Fair enough, Serbs already got rid of Milosevic, you should get rid of warlords.

It is very frustrating indeed to read endless "our warlords are the best" BS. I am not an expert but I can testify this does not reflect what people in Kosovo told me. If they are afraid to speak out loudly - than that's an other "sneaky" problem you have to address somehow because it's not normal.

antekosova

pre 14 godina

Who cares about Ghana with a median age of 20 years. First build your country up then you can talk about how other countries should do.

Hekuran

pre 14 godina

I can see that only Vuk is talking.

I didn't read Ganinan or Pakistani President's or Prime Minister's say anything about Kosovo, becuase Vuk is more important and of course knows everything (remember Malaysia).

Cheers

trudsaam

pre 14 godina

In plain English who cares what Ghana thinks about Kosovo/a. The FACT and the REALITY is that THERE WILL BE NO RETURN OF KOSOVO/A to Serbia. Can you people see/hear/understand that? Serbia with his current policy towards Kosovo/a is making Albanians as a nation a massive favour in speeding up their Integration and Unification. Milosevic disintegrated Yugoslavia. Current Serbia's position is helping in consolidating Albanians and making them more hostile towards Serbia. That is the hard REALITY.
(EA)
-
Return what ? Kosovo still belongs to Serbia, only a few select nations don't agree BUT most of the free world sees Kosovo as Serbia's southern province. THIS IS THE HARD REALITY mate. So far everything happening is actually in Serbia's favor, the world is seeing the disfunctionality of the province. So my friend, continue being hostile to Serbia and its people, but remember one thing; As long as you live in Kosovo you live in Serbia.

EA

pre 14 godina

In plain English who cares what Ghana thinks about Kosovo/a. The FACT and the REALITY is that THERE WILL BE NO RETURN OF KOSOVO/A to Serbia. Can you people see/hear/understand that? Serbia with his current policy towards Kosovo/a is making Albanians as a nation a massive favour in speeding up their Integration and Unification. Milosevic disintegrated Yugoslavia. Current Serbia's position is helping in consolidating Albanians and making them more hostile towards Serbia. That is the hard REALITY.

Sam, UK

pre 14 godina

I'm on Serbia's side, but when I was the title of the article I did assume it would be a Ghanaian confirming their stance on Kosovo, not Jeremic confirming Ghana's stance on Kosovo.

ZMAJ

pre 14 godina

When an insignificant island like palau recognizes kosovo, they make a big fuss. When an African nation like Ghana refuses to recognize kosovo, they insult them. Shows you what a tiny people they are.
(JohnBoy, 7 March 2010 21:09)

They'll insult the US on the end. Don't you believe that?

Ataman

pre 14 godina

Again, thank you for your feedback, even though I believe that you have missed my point it was constructive and thus truly valid in that respect.
(Mr Rae, 7 March 2010 20:11)

Indeed. What I badly miss here is the cultural 1:1. Very rare is a post which reveals interesting facts about the "opponent". For instance, I was intrigued that in the community where Village-Bey lives they have llokum eating contest.

That tells me 1000 times more about the people and makes me respect their habits better than few dozens of pointless trolling about as mature as kindergarten.

Some few jokes about cheese from the same (very much respected) poster made me curious and I did buy it later. Just to learn, while it's similar to Serbian or Greek, there are differences I can taste. Tells much more about Albanians than few kindergarten-style outcries. I usually ignore these - but once in a while I can freak out, too, depending on the number of bugs I have to deal in the ASIC-s we have to support. The more the bugs, the less is my patience.

arti

pre 14 godina

(Mr Rae, 7 March 2010 15:12)
Mr Rae,I can see you don't have much info about the Balcas, there're many times somebody here sugest that other people ( usually if you're the opposite view ) but Serbs shouldn't comment here because B92 is a Serbian media outlet, that's the Balcan, similar to the bumper sticker you see here in the states " if you can't stand behind our troops stand in front of them ", myself even though I don't agree with some of your comunist views that doesn't mean I wouldn't want to hear what others have to say,that's the reason I visit here, don't take it personaly.

Mladen

pre 14 godina

Amazing how the Albanians here dont care if any country does not recognize them...
you can be a country with less than 1/3 of the world recognizing you.

Claiming it doesnt matter as long as the US recognizes you is a very bad argument

winston

pre 14 godina

"Current Serbia's position is helping in consolidating Albanians and making them more hostile towards Serbia" - EA.
That's nice, EA. So nice to see that your agenda is just anything anti-Serb, and not what is good for the people's of Kosovo, and the Balkans. If people with your mentality disappeared from the world, it could move onto reconciliation and peace, but unfortunately, their are people with your mentality, and we must continue with guns, soldiers, barbed wire, and yes, hatred and revenge. Hope you are not a parent, and teaching future generations to hate too.

Niall O'Doherty

pre 14 godina

When an insignificant island like palau recognizes kosovo, they make a big fuss. When an African nation like Ghana refuses to recognize kosovo, they insult them. Shows you what a tiny people they are.
(JohnBoy, 7 March 2010 21:09)

Nail on the head there JohnBoy. What escapes the Albanian irredentists is that the big hitters in Africa - Nigeria, Ghana, DR Congo, Gabon, South Africa and the Maghreb (Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia, Libya, Egypt) have consistantly said no.

Indeed DR Congo President Joseph Kabila is on record for saying that he will not recognise Kosovo for as long as he lives.

Thats quite emphatic :)

1 recognition this year, only 2 further in the last 6 months.

Its clear who is being the most effective and it aint Mr. Hysterical.

Hekuran

pre 14 godina

But the MOST IMPORTANT thing is that we are free from Serbia and that's a fact!

Cheers
(Hekuran, 9 March 2010 12:34)

So - come to Zvečan and look the reality ;)
(Milan, 9 March 2010 16:35)

Oh yes, it is the same situation with albaninas in Preshevo, Tetovo, Kumanovo ... we see albanian flags there but we don't have an foregin embassies there do we?

Hekuran

pre 14 godina

Niall O'Doherty,

I don't know where are you from but as a Kosovo citizen I invite you to visit and see everything with your own eyes.

I'd like to add that we don't care if Ghana or Malawi recognizes Kosovo, more importatant are USA, UK, France, Russia, Germany, China.

But the MOST IMPORTANT thing is that we are free from Serbia and that's a fact!

Cheers

pss

pre 14 godina

When an insignificant island like palau recognizes kosovo, they make a big fuss. When an African nation like Ghana refuses to recognize kosovo, they insult them. Shows you what a tiny people they are.
(JohnBoy, 7 March 2010 21:09)
Of course the opposite is true also.
Every nation that recognizes is deemed insignificant either because of size or "because their US masters told them to" but every little nation with less GDP than Kosovo that does not recognize is the most important country in the world. But I won't repeat the comment about "what tiny people they are"

Michael R.

pre 14 godina

Fair enough, Serbs already got rid of Milosevic, you should get rid of warlords.

Ataman


Ataman,

With all due respect, although you seem to know something about llokum and Balkan cheeses, it is unfortunate, however, that your knowledge of Balkan politics is not up to snuff. I beg to differ, but it was not the Serbs that removed Milosevic from power, in fact it was NATO bombing that moved Slobo to the Hague. If you remember correctly, a large portion of the Serb people were trying to protect him from being extradited to the Hague and even voted for him in his last attempt to steal the election. Most informed people that followed the events in Jugoslavia of the last twenty years know this very well.
BTW, we do not consider Kosova's democratically elected officials "warlords" and neither does the UN, EU, NATO or the Hague.

trudsaam

pre 14 godina

Niall O'Doherty,

I don't know where are you from but as a Kosovo citizen I invite you to visit and see everything with your own eyes.

I'd like to add that we don't care if Ghana or Malawi recognizes Kosovo, more importatant are USA, UK, France, Russia, Germany, China.

But the MOST IMPORTANT thing is that we are free from Serbia and that's a fact!

Cheers
(Hekuran)
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First off China does not recognize your so-called state. Secondly, your free from nobody, you are being violated from all corners of the world now, thanks to your so-called independance. And thirdly, untill you RECOGNIZE Serbia as your governement, then and only then will you see improvement in your community... Good day :)

Milan

pre 14 godina

But the MOST IMPORTANT thing is that we are free from Serbia and that's a fact!

Cheers
(Hekuran, 9 March 2010 12:34)

So - come to Zvečan and look the reality ;)

merrycynic

pre 14 godina

Why doesn't this quote the Ghahanians? It's just Jeremic saying that they said something, which means he's the sole source and originator of this story. We may surmise he is not an entirely disinterested party, so it makes the credibility of the article questionable, to put it politely.

Milan

pre 14 godina

Oh yes, it is the same situation with albaninas in Preshevo, Tetovo, Kumanovo ... we see albanian flags there but we don't have an foregin embassies there do we?
(Hekuran, 9 March 2010 16:57)
Hekuran - In Preševo citizens used serbian passports, pay in dinars, take power from EPS, are connected by Železnice Srbije, have on autos serbian licence plates, call by Telekom Srbija, used Pošta Srbije take school certificates from Ministry of Education of Serbia... Same like in Zvečan. These two regions are part of one state - Republic of Serbia :)

UK

pre 14 godina

I'd like to add that we don't care if Ghana or Malawi recognizes Kosovo, more importatant are USA, UK, France, Russia, Germany, China.

But the MOST IMPORTANT thing is that we are free from Serbia and that's a fact!

Cheers
(Hekuran)

Be under no illusions that the general public here recognise your UDI. There was never a referendum to ask anyone, simply a few blind politicians who can do nothing other than follow like puppets the US. I wish that a referendum would be called and the public presented with the facts. In that scenario I think you might find the worthless acceptance starting to dwindle.

antekosova

pre 14 godina

Who cares about Ghana with a median age of 20 years. First build your country up then you can talk about how other countries should do.

Kosova-USA

pre 14 godina

The rebel government must step up, all these news about non-recognition is getting boring. Surely there is an island out there that can be bought?
(AdamSRB, 7 March 2010 11:27)

Look like you smell it that;there is somthing on the wind coming towards Kosova/o.
Why does Vuk always speaks on behalf of others, rather than letting others speak for themselves?
Great PR for internal consumtion.

EA

pre 14 godina

In plain English who cares what Ghana thinks about Kosovo/a. The FACT and the REALITY is that THERE WILL BE NO RETURN OF KOSOVO/A to Serbia. Can you people see/hear/understand that? Serbia with his current policy towards Kosovo/a is making Albanians as a nation a massive favour in speeding up their Integration and Unification. Milosevic disintegrated Yugoslavia. Current Serbia's position is helping in consolidating Albanians and making them more hostile towards Serbia. That is the hard REALITY.

AdamSRB

pre 14 godina

The rebel government must step up, all these news about non-recognition is getting boring. Surely there is an island out there that can be bought?

ZMAJ

pre 14 godina

This is very important for Serbia.
PS.ALl these democratic countries: yesterday it was Pakistani.
(Beha Vushtrri, 7 March 2010 11:29)

And.., Albania should be democratic one, I assume??!

arti

pre 14 godina

(Mr Rae, 7 March 2010 15:12)
Mr Rae,I can see you don't have much info about the Balcas, there're many times somebody here sugest that other people ( usually if you're the opposite view ) but Serbs shouldn't comment here because B92 is a Serbian media outlet, that's the Balcan, similar to the bumper sticker you see here in the states " if you can't stand behind our troops stand in front of them ", myself even though I don't agree with some of your comunist views that doesn't mean I wouldn't want to hear what others have to say,that's the reason I visit here, don't take it personaly.

Mr Rae

pre 14 godina

I'm wondering if the Albanian fans here are pots or kettles. Since they're too black to actually see their shapes. Isn't it your group that flies off the handle when one of your sponsored mouthpieces declares a country will soon recognize -- countless Greece and Russia cases come to mind? Aren't you then relying on your FM, or PM, or some unsubstantiated source of information to perch up high on your soapboxes and yell to the mountaintops that you know something, that seems to eventually crash down as a total fabrication. Would you then consider that your insiders are playing the same game as the Serbian FM? and if you do (though you really should otherwise you really don't have any place discussing politics because it is in fact what their role is to a large degree) wouldn't your agree that the Serbian FM is doing a much better job than your own champion. Now, when one thinks of how adults (and some of this lot have even claimed to have procreated many years prior -- which classifies them as an adults according to standard census classifications) should behave versus how children do; by bashing an actor relentlessly for acting out their role effectively, while at the same time not considering the ineffectual way one's actor behaves, well that sounds more immature than mature behavior.
Furthermore belittling every other nation the world over, using various ill conceived logic further demonstrates lack of maturity on both arguing, understanding, and simple logic. One cannot deny the fact that the US is the sole remaining superpower (as of not too long ago). One cannot also deny the fact that the emerging economic and militaristic mini powers are a serious threat to US aspirations (which are frankly not so much those of the country as much as they are those of the banking elite -- but that's an altogether different issue, though it does have some degree of relevance to this issue). One cannot also deny the fact that international games are played by the power brokers and their fancies change with the winds.
Now, to be fair, it may have seemed like I've simply based one side of this argument, and I do realize that it looks like that, so the Pro-Serbian band must also recognize that though Ghana is a stronger African nation, it's role in global politics is mere a number in the list of 192 (or whatever the count is now). The powerful Western nations are not easily willing to give up their power (even though it is currently simply slipping away -- not to other nations, but to individuals who roam without need of a nation and hide behind governments), and the up and coming nations are weary of these older relics of powerful pasts (it must be noted that of these former colonial powers, their only known way of removing themselves from their current economic turmoil is to spend even more on wars -- and once the foreign mini powers that are the creditors to these wars can no longer, or simply choose to no longer finance these wars, the US currency as world reserve becomes a thing of the past, and those wars are no longer plausible in their current incarnation) for the old man still has fight in him and will not hesitate to take everyone down along side him as a last petty act of desperation, if it comes down to blows.

To be honest, I enjoy visiting this site to be informed, to learn about a situation that I didn't know much about not too long ago, but I find it ever more annoying to see pointless trash talk from both sides. I would make a request to the mediator to have two separate comment pools; one for well thought out comments that add to the discussion, and another one for the leaches that feed off of it. This way, we can all enjoy what it is we enjoy on this forum, but we can avoid what it is we wish to avoid. It might take a little bit more effort (not much as these comments are already being screened) to do that.
It is really annoying to watch the tennis match of "yes/no/yes/no" or "I'm super, you're crap/no, I'm super, and you're crap", or "your team is useless, mine is the best/again, you're wrong because my team is the best and yours is useless". It would be so much better to read more open, frank well thought out discussion points, arguments or not, simple adults conversing in an adult manner (perhaps make it forums for adults and children instead ;) ).
Apparently I've spent more than just 2 cents on this post.

JohnBoy

pre 14 godina

When an insignificant island like palau recognizes kosovo, they make a big fuss. When an African nation like Ghana refuses to recognize kosovo, they insult them. Shows you what a tiny people they are.

trudsaam

pre 14 godina

In plain English who cares what Ghana thinks about Kosovo/a. The FACT and the REALITY is that THERE WILL BE NO RETURN OF KOSOVO/A to Serbia. Can you people see/hear/understand that? Serbia with his current policy towards Kosovo/a is making Albanians as a nation a massive favour in speeding up their Integration and Unification. Milosevic disintegrated Yugoslavia. Current Serbia's position is helping in consolidating Albanians and making them more hostile towards Serbia. That is the hard REALITY.
(EA)
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Return what ? Kosovo still belongs to Serbia, only a few select nations don't agree BUT most of the free world sees Kosovo as Serbia's southern province. THIS IS THE HARD REALITY mate. So far everything happening is actually in Serbia's favor, the world is seeing the disfunctionality of the province. So my friend, continue being hostile to Serbia and its people, but remember one thing; As long as you live in Kosovo you live in Serbia.

Niall O'Doherty

pre 14 godina

When an insignificant island like palau recognizes kosovo, they make a big fuss. When an African nation like Ghana refuses to recognize kosovo, they insult them. Shows you what a tiny people they are.
(JohnBoy, 7 March 2010 21:09)

Nail on the head there JohnBoy. What escapes the Albanian irredentists is that the big hitters in Africa - Nigeria, Ghana, DR Congo, Gabon, South Africa and the Maghreb (Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia, Libya, Egypt) have consistantly said no.

Indeed DR Congo President Joseph Kabila is on record for saying that he will not recognise Kosovo for as long as he lives.

Thats quite emphatic :)

1 recognition this year, only 2 further in the last 6 months.

Its clear who is being the most effective and it aint Mr. Hysterical.

Mladen

pre 14 godina

Amazing how the Albanians here dont care if any country does not recognize them...
you can be a country with less than 1/3 of the world recognizing you.

Claiming it doesnt matter as long as the US recognizes you is a very bad argument

Milan

pre 14 godina

But the MOST IMPORTANT thing is that we are free from Serbia and that's a fact!

Cheers
(Hekuran, 9 March 2010 12:34)

So - come to Zvečan and look the reality ;)

Milan

pre 14 godina

Oh yes, it is the same situation with albaninas in Preshevo, Tetovo, Kumanovo ... we see albanian flags there but we don't have an foregin embassies there do we?
(Hekuran, 9 March 2010 16:57)
Hekuran - In Preševo citizens used serbian passports, pay in dinars, take power from EPS, are connected by Železnice Srbije, have on autos serbian licence plates, call by Telekom Srbija, used Pošta Srbije take school certificates from Ministry of Education of Serbia... Same like in Zvečan. These two regions are part of one state - Republic of Serbia :)

winston

pre 14 godina

"Current Serbia's position is helping in consolidating Albanians and making them more hostile towards Serbia" - EA.
That's nice, EA. So nice to see that your agenda is just anything anti-Serb, and not what is good for the people's of Kosovo, and the Balkans. If people with your mentality disappeared from the world, it could move onto reconciliation and peace, but unfortunately, their are people with your mentality, and we must continue with guns, soldiers, barbed wire, and yes, hatred and revenge. Hope you are not a parent, and teaching future generations to hate too.

Ataman

pre 14 godina

Current Serbia's position is helping in consolidating Albanians and making them more hostile towards Serbia. That is the hard REALITY.
(EA, 7 March 2010 18:32)

Incorrect. The hard reality is: the hostility towards Serbia is the form what frustration is coming out. The younger ones whom I met and who probably never even visited the "real" Serbia are more hostile than the older ones, in particular the ones who ever worked abroad.

The politics "West" is playing with Kosovo is pretty sickening and I expected much more professionalism.

I think, we can agree this will fail badly. What will come I do not know, all I know is that the both players of that conflict are there for millennia and that it became really bad during Ottoman era only.

Turks are no more the rulers there, so you have the opportunity to strike a deal. As much as you do not want to deal with Milosevic, so Serbs do not want to deal with all these snakes and warlords. Fair enough, Serbs already got rid of Milosevic, you should get rid of warlords.

It is very frustrating indeed to read endless "our warlords are the best" BS. I am not an expert but I can testify this does not reflect what people in Kosovo told me. If they are afraid to speak out loudly - than that's an other "sneaky" problem you have to address somehow because it's not normal.

ZMAJ

pre 14 godina

When an insignificant island like palau recognizes kosovo, they make a big fuss. When an African nation like Ghana refuses to recognize kosovo, they insult them. Shows you what a tiny people they are.
(JohnBoy, 7 March 2010 21:09)

They'll insult the US on the end. Don't you believe that?

trudsaam

pre 14 godina

Niall O'Doherty,

I don't know where are you from but as a Kosovo citizen I invite you to visit and see everything with your own eyes.

I'd like to add that we don't care if Ghana or Malawi recognizes Kosovo, more importatant are USA, UK, France, Russia, Germany, China.

But the MOST IMPORTANT thing is that we are free from Serbia and that's a fact!

Cheers
(Hekuran)
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First off China does not recognize your so-called state. Secondly, your free from nobody, you are being violated from all corners of the world now, thanks to your so-called independance. And thirdly, untill you RECOGNIZE Serbia as your governement, then and only then will you see improvement in your community... Good day :)

UK

pre 14 godina

I'd like to add that we don't care if Ghana or Malawi recognizes Kosovo, more importatant are USA, UK, France, Russia, Germany, China.

But the MOST IMPORTANT thing is that we are free from Serbia and that's a fact!

Cheers
(Hekuran)

Be under no illusions that the general public here recognise your UDI. There was never a referendum to ask anyone, simply a few blind politicians who can do nothing other than follow like puppets the US. I wish that a referendum would be called and the public presented with the facts. In that scenario I think you might find the worthless acceptance starting to dwindle.

Al Bundy

pre 14 godina

No doubt that if the partition happened today the US would never gather even 20% of those who recognized Kosovo as an independent state. Also I hate the reasons why most of the states recognize (or not) the ruaways. Most often it happens not because of the common sense or what is called International Law but because each side tries to use the crisis in it's own favor. And nobody cares of the entrapped Albanians and the Serbian refugees.
!

Ataman

pre 14 godina

Again, thank you for your feedback, even though I believe that you have missed my point it was constructive and thus truly valid in that respect.
(Mr Rae, 7 March 2010 20:11)

Indeed. What I badly miss here is the cultural 1:1. Very rare is a post which reveals interesting facts about the "opponent". For instance, I was intrigued that in the community where Village-Bey lives they have llokum eating contest.

That tells me 1000 times more about the people and makes me respect their habits better than few dozens of pointless trolling about as mature as kindergarten.

Some few jokes about cheese from the same (very much respected) poster made me curious and I did buy it later. Just to learn, while it's similar to Serbian or Greek, there are differences I can taste. Tells much more about Albanians than few kindergarten-style outcries. I usually ignore these - but once in a while I can freak out, too, depending on the number of bugs I have to deal in the ASIC-s we have to support. The more the bugs, the less is my patience.

Hekuran

pre 14 godina

I can see that only Vuk is talking.

I didn't read Ganinan or Pakistani President's or Prime Minister's say anything about Kosovo, becuase Vuk is more important and of course knows everything (remember Malaysia).

Cheers

pss

pre 14 godina

When an insignificant island like palau recognizes kosovo, they make a big fuss. When an African nation like Ghana refuses to recognize kosovo, they insult them. Shows you what a tiny people they are.
(JohnBoy, 7 March 2010 21:09)
Of course the opposite is true also.
Every nation that recognizes is deemed insignificant either because of size or "because their US masters told them to" but every little nation with less GDP than Kosovo that does not recognize is the most important country in the world. But I won't repeat the comment about "what tiny people they are"

Mr Rae

pre 14 godina

arti,
Thank you for your response. I'm somewhat surprised you'd consider my views communist, but that perhaps might be close enough, if you've been sold the rhetoric coming from the US at the moment. If in fact you are from the US, consider that many of your Founding Fathers and subsequent preseidents were very strong proponents of socialism. It was not until the Soviet Union, and thus the antithesis of capitalism that socialism in the US became a bad word.
Regarding my post, and the wish, to read or not to read other's posts I believe that you may have missed my point. A valid post is good. A pointless post is not. I'd rather not have to weed through piles of pointless posts, just so that some nationalist (on either, or any, side) can beat their chest with pure trash that gets nobody any further either understand, or reconciling.
Again, thank you for your feedback, even though I believe that you have missed my point it was constructive and thus truly valid in that respect.

Sam, UK

pre 14 godina

I'm on Serbia's side, but when I was the title of the article I did assume it would be a Ghanaian confirming their stance on Kosovo, not Jeremic confirming Ghana's stance on Kosovo.

Michael R.

pre 14 godina

Fair enough, Serbs already got rid of Milosevic, you should get rid of warlords.

Ataman


Ataman,

With all due respect, although you seem to know something about llokum and Balkan cheeses, it is unfortunate, however, that your knowledge of Balkan politics is not up to snuff. I beg to differ, but it was not the Serbs that removed Milosevic from power, in fact it was NATO bombing that moved Slobo to the Hague. If you remember correctly, a large portion of the Serb people were trying to protect him from being extradited to the Hague and even voted for him in his last attempt to steal the election. Most informed people that followed the events in Jugoslavia of the last twenty years know this very well.
BTW, we do not consider Kosova's democratically elected officials "warlords" and neither does the UN, EU, NATO or the Hague.

merrycynic

pre 14 godina

Why doesn't this quote the Ghahanians? It's just Jeremic saying that they said something, which means he's the sole source and originator of this story. We may surmise he is not an entirely disinterested party, so it makes the credibility of the article questionable, to put it politely.

Hekuran

pre 14 godina

Niall O'Doherty,

I don't know where are you from but as a Kosovo citizen I invite you to visit and see everything with your own eyes.

I'd like to add that we don't care if Ghana or Malawi recognizes Kosovo, more importatant are USA, UK, France, Russia, Germany, China.

But the MOST IMPORTANT thing is that we are free from Serbia and that's a fact!

Cheers

Hekuran

pre 14 godina

But the MOST IMPORTANT thing is that we are free from Serbia and that's a fact!

Cheers
(Hekuran, 9 March 2010 12:34)

So - come to Zvečan and look the reality ;)
(Milan, 9 March 2010 16:35)

Oh yes, it is the same situation with albaninas in Preshevo, Tetovo, Kumanovo ... we see albanian flags there but we don't have an foregin embassies there do we?