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Citizens seeking asylum in Sweden as well

After Belgium, Sweden is also warning that a large number of Serbian citizens have been seeking asylum in the country since the beginning of the year.

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Ataman

pre 14 godina

Just a link:

Hungary became the #1 source of refugee applicants in Canada.

http://hvg.hu/vilag/20100303_kanadai_vizum

In 2009 1350 refugees from Hungary did arrive.

The authorities suspect that the root cause is probably world's most liberal refugee program which "kicks in" even before the court decision is made.

While waiting for the refugee status the "refugees" usually simply withdraw the application because the Canadian government pays a bonus to anyone who does withdraw it. Even after the withdrawal they are still eligible for generous bonuses like free lodging, welfare, etc.

Me too, please. I am thinking to apply several times. That is cool, I can get triple welfare, triple withdrawal bonus and rent out the two flats I don't need out of three. I will patent the idea. One thing I am not sure - what to tell Canadians why I am applying? Probably will figure out later.

No need to look further, the country with rivers of milk and honey and garden fences made from salami is found.

The "one way ticket" link was funny, like the dialect, LOL

lakatos ernõ

pre 14 godina

BTW: don't come to experience that "goulash - Hungarian gypsy violinist - gucha festival - Boban Marković" romantic only. That's the upper class and it's NOT the reality on the ground. We do enjoy that fun with goulash, violin and Gucha too, but we know that underneath of it is poverty difficult to describe.
(Ataman, 6 March 2010 10:31)

Reading the article and the comment of our ultraliberal dannish poster one little song crossed my mind. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yYqQeDKcqrI And Coppenhagen is just within spitting distance from Malmö so one day maybe he will come round as well and forget about his childish ideas .It is always so easy to be clever when you are not familiar with the problem itself.

pss

pre 14 godina

Canadian Serb, that is my point, the near future is not promising for anyone in the balkans whether it be Serbia, Kosovo, Montenegro, B&H, Macedonia, and to a lesser extent Croatia. So why say anything negative about anyone who wishes for a better life elsewhere.
I do not know whether your parents came to Canada legally or illegally, to me it does not matter, Canada and the US are both made up of immigrants. People who came to the new world for a better life, my family came in the 1700's but I cannot condemn anyone who wants to come to the US to make a better life.
My problem is twofold, those who have left but wish to deny the ones left the ability to bring the opportunities of the West into the balkans. The perputuation of ethnic hatred by those who do not live or have never lived in the area.
You and I differ on the view of Kosovo's right to independence, I can respect that we do not agree. The thing I consider unacceptable is your comments toward the Albanian population simply because you have Serbian blood in your veins.

Danilo

pre 14 godina

None of these people who claim that Albanians are treated wonderfully in Serbia have witnessed an Albanian trying to get a Serbian ID card, I can guarantee it.

Ataman

pre 14 godina

Sounds strange to me, because as one poster wrote here recently: "Serbia is the economic power-house of the Balkans". Maybe that was not entirely true? Or is it a small house, too small for all its citizens? Unable to provide for its own citizens?
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(Jan Andersen (DK), 5 March 2010 22:27)

Nothing strange. While going to Sweden they passed countries where people can live wonderfully (either legally or half-legally) with Serbian passport. In particular, Czech Republic welcomes everyone from Serbia to settle there permanently. Or ever heard about American Green Card Lottery? All countries of exYU are eligible. Chances are not bad - and even doing it with attorney or agency costs a mere $50 extra, otherwise it's free.

What USA or Czech Republic does not offer are the rivers of milk and honey and the garden fences made of salami.
On the other hand some believe wrongly, Sweden does offer these benefits.

And a little secret: if one has a good telecommuting job, both Thailand and Goa is a wonderful place to telecommute from. Serbian passport is perfect for that. Even that Kosovo document is OK. Kosovars who have a good jobs and are tired of all pigeons, snakes, KEK, Tadic and other local headache can rent out their flat to EULEX, buy an airplane ticket and take off to Bangkok for the entire winter.

I suspect these unfortunate souls have other things in mind.... not sure they can hook up any computer to the Internet or are familiar how a lavatory does work. Ever looked at the scenery under the "Gazella" bridge in Belgrade?

The authorities try in vain to do "somewhat" here in Hungary, too. This is nearly mission impossible. Lucky are the kids who can finish 6 grades and girls who don't get pregnant at 12-13. Many land up being hookers and in general both girls and boys are in-and-out of "correctional institute" beginning with early age.

I just write here what I see, no criticism towards anyone. I can get very emotional because the situation here ( = East Europe) regarding Gypsies is absolutely hopeless and so far nothing seem to work out for whatever reason. It's horrible that they need to leave, even more horrible to send them back. A classic case when everyone is guilty. It is no fun and if you single out a target to finger-point at be it Serbia/KosMet, Macedonia, Hungary, Romania: fine, you are welcome to come here and find a better solution. So far no one was successful yet.

BTW: don't come to experience that "goulash - Hungarian gypsy violinist - gucha festival - Boban Marković" romantic only. That's the upper class and it's NOT the reality on the ground. We do enjoy that fun with goulash, violin and Gucha too, but we know that underneath of it is poverty difficult to describe.

Mikael C

pre 14 godina

Jan

I suggest you read the article next time. People are leaving for economic reasons. Both Romas and Albanians are not very educated and bright so its not difficult to dupe them into believing they can get a job in Sweden without even speaking the language. People in the West have always moved where there is work. I live in Sweden and it's comon to move to a different city to work. Now days it difficult to find work anywhere in this country so I thought about going back to the US. If I choose to do that it doesn't mean the conditions in Sweden are bad they are just better somewhere else.

Adrian, Timisoara

pre 14 godina

Serbia is no EU member, but Serbs can travel without visa. I think that`s fair enough and i see no reason to give them more rights.

Mark

pre 14 godina

"There is nothing wrong with anyone wanting to better their lives. I was born in Canada to Serbian parents. But ethnically I am still a Serbian. "

What a nice way to think... I am "ethnically" something... What does it really means ? You speak a language, you have relevant genetic difference from a neighbor "ethnicity"... come on.

bader

pre 14 godina

Jan:

alot of swedes move to Norway or Denmark, alot of germans move to Sweden. Does that mean Sweden is poor and germany poorer? no not really. Norway is richer yes, but as for Denmark, employers pay much less tax for their employees compared to Sweden so the wages are higher. You really shouldn't read too much into it. I'm not saying that the serbian economy is comparable to that of any nordic country but I don't like how you (again) seem to want to find blame for serbia when there is none, seemingly because of one comment you didn't like?

Also minorities enjoy more self-autonomy in serbia than in Denmark(where there is none, in fact racism from politicians is a huge problem that has annually been in international reports) so your point isn't valid anyway...

Ataman

pre 14 godina

"Albani", I presume you are a Serbian troll. Please do not give the impression that any Serb is welcome to come and work in Kosova.
(Flamur, 5 March 2010 13:52)

Both of you are terrific. I feel, the head of RPC does read your comments and you probably greatly contributed to his recently voiced opinion.

Still don't worry, he is a good man and has a friend, actually THREE friends (but you may regard them as one, nevermind, it's too complicated story) in a very high position - so you are probably set.

Jan Andersen (DK)

pre 14 godina

The article is about people with the new Serbian passports seeking asylum in Sweden, right?

People with Serbian passports = Serbian citizens, right? Or do the Serbian government hand out passports to everyone in the world? No? Good.

Some of these people happens to be of Albanian or Roma ethnicity. So what? They are still Serbian citizens, right?

And these Serbian citizens think their living conditions are so bad, that they will be better off in a faraway country, with a foreign language and an unknown culture?

Sounds strange to me, because as one poster wrote here recently: "Serbia is the economic power-house of the Balkans". Maybe that was not entirely true? Or is it a small house, too small for all its citizens? Unable to provide for its own citizens?
--

Mirub Jager

pre 14 godina

I'm not sure in Canada but in English language when someone says "mostly Albanians and Roma" does not necessarily mean majority is Albanians, it could mean majority is Roma.

Anyway, how embarrassing for Serbia to have citizens (especially minority) leave the country en masse.

Another Canadian Serb

pre 14 godina

pss,
There is nothing wrong with anyone wanting to better their lives. I was born in Canada to Serbian parents. But ethnically I am still a Serbian.

I guess the real question to this article would be why Sweden is sending these needy people back home.

Ultimately, the UDI acknowledgers represent these asylum seekers, but instead turn them back.

Zoran

pre 14 godina

many serbians come now to Kosova to live from serbia. In serbia no good so that many want to come to albanians in Kosova to work and make a lota money.
(Albani, 5 March 2010 11:13)
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The only people that may apply to that are criminals. Serbia is cracking down on these types and their safe haven will be "Kosova", where they can thrive!

Another Canadian Serb

pre 14 godina

toni and pss,
no you are both wrong. Do some research and you will find the majority asylum seekers are of Albanian ethnicity.
Following is another excerpt copied from an additional article in todays B92 news.

"In February alone, a total of 330 citizens from southern Serbia, mostly Albanians and Roma, sought political asylum in Belgium. In the first days of March, about 20 people a dayrequested this status."

However, if you still don't believe this, then GOOGLE it.

pss

pre 14 godina

(Another Canadian Serb, 5 March 2010 16:34
Does it not seem odd that someone who does not live in the motherland would criticize "anyone" who wants to leave???

Another Canadian Serb

pre 14 godina

Bganon,
I think you have a great master plan. Now if only you could be instrumental in the implementation.

If you need help, by all means please let me know!

winston

pre 14 godina

After reading Albani's post, I can't help but give the Albanian bloggers here less and less credibility. Albanians in Kosovo are trying to leave that black hole by the droves, where many live on 50 cents a day, and he/she says that Serbs are moving there for work. Do the Albanian trolls here see why you are laughed at?

Another Canadian Serb

pre 14 godina

Toni,
Just as the Albanians came to Yugoslavia for welfare, so did the Roma.

The Roma are the long lost Illyrian tribe and are indigenous to the region.

Therefore, Albania should take note and step up to the plate and take care of these people.

bganon

pre 14 godina

Wow it makes one wonder whether we should create a medium term Serbian master plan of joining the EU at all costs then once all the Kosovo Albanians have left for the EU we can organise a Serb vote for independence of Kosovo from Kosova!

On a more serious note I pity the Roma, time and again they are bottom of the heap in the priorities of the EU, Kosovo and Serbian socities. I think the EU as the supposedly 'enlightened, multicultural' authority should spend less time shipping Roma out of their borders and more time helping them, as they certainly have more resources than the Balkans.

Dragan

pre 14 godina

Flamer,

Who are you to tell Serbs if they are welcome in 'Kosova' or not? Kosova is a Bantu tribe which inhabits the Kissii district of western Kenya.
http://www.economicexpert.com/a/Bantu:Kosova.html
I don't think Serbs are really looking to move there, but if they want to, more power to them. As for Kosovo, well that is sovereign Serbian soil, which means it belongs to Serbs. Which means we don't need an invitation from anyone, we are here for the long haul, these foreign invaders are just temporarily, and illegaly, occupying our land, but they will not stay forever.
Cheers!!

ZagorTeNeJ

pre 14 godina

To Another Canadian Serb... please read it correctly '' About 80 percent of those seeking asylum are Roma,and some are Albanian'' this means that 20% could be Albanian of which some will be Serbian. Just, so there is no mix-up here. In any case aren't all these Serbian citizens, doen't that concern you?

toni

pre 14 godina

Another Canadian Serb. If you read the article it says "About 80 percent of those seeking asylum are Roma, and some are Albanian". So please don't read between lines as we can read too as is that a surprise too. Maybe you should ask yourself why do they need to ask for asylum? The answer is obvious don't you think. Because the Serbian governemnt does not invest in these people for them to be able to live a decent life in the beloved country called Serbia.. the list goes on...

pss

pre 14 godina

Has anyone else noticed that the numbers are always a high percentage majority of 80 % Kosovo Albanians seeking asylum?

What gives?
(Another Canadian Serb, 5 March 2010 12:29)
Maybe you should have read the Serbian translation, as you are havign some problem with the English one.
It says 80% are Roma, "some" are Albanian, and Kosovo is not mentioned at all.
Need to stand on another soap box, this one did not hold your weight.

Peter Sudyka

pre 14 godina

Huh? Why should Kosovo Albanians want asylum when they now technically have their own country?

So they fought for independence and their own country and now when they got it they are still trying to escape from it?

I don't understand how they could be classified as "asylum seekers".

Another Canadian Serb

pre 14 godina

Has anyone else noticed that the numbers are always a high percentage majority of 80 % Kosovo Albanians seeking asylum?

What gives?

I thought that Sweden being an UDI acknowledger and creator of paradise in Kosovo would support the Albanians.

Now I see it all, Sweden supports and endorses the land theft of Serbia and hands it to the Albanians. Are not such decisions great when it doesn't involve your own money?

I on the other hand believe that Sweden is responsible for any Albanians of Serbian citizenship's request for asylum. Sweden created this mess and is now obligated to provide for these Albanians welfare.

Albani

pre 14 godina

many serbians come now to Kosova to live from serbia. In serbia no good so that many want to come to albanians in Kosova to work and make a lota money.

The Truth

pre 14 godina

He said that he is very concerned and believes that the people who are coming to Sweden and seeking asylum are being scammed by someone.

Albanians are being scammed the same way in Kosovo by believing they are independent. Kurti is right! There is no independence that's why he is incharge of a self-determination movement.

Dragan

pre 14 godina

Flamer,

Who are you to tell Serbs if they are welcome in 'Kosova' or not? Kosova is a Bantu tribe which inhabits the Kissii district of western Kenya.
http://www.economicexpert.com/a/Bantu:Kosova.html
I don't think Serbs are really looking to move there, but if they want to, more power to them. As for Kosovo, well that is sovereign Serbian soil, which means it belongs to Serbs. Which means we don't need an invitation from anyone, we are here for the long haul, these foreign invaders are just temporarily, and illegaly, occupying our land, but they will not stay forever.
Cheers!!

Peter Sudyka

pre 14 godina

Huh? Why should Kosovo Albanians want asylum when they now technically have their own country?

So they fought for independence and their own country and now when they got it they are still trying to escape from it?

I don't understand how they could be classified as "asylum seekers".

The Truth

pre 14 godina

He said that he is very concerned and believes that the people who are coming to Sweden and seeking asylum are being scammed by someone.

Albanians are being scammed the same way in Kosovo by believing they are independent. Kurti is right! There is no independence that's why he is incharge of a self-determination movement.

bganon

pre 14 godina

Wow it makes one wonder whether we should create a medium term Serbian master plan of joining the EU at all costs then once all the Kosovo Albanians have left for the EU we can organise a Serb vote for independence of Kosovo from Kosova!

On a more serious note I pity the Roma, time and again they are bottom of the heap in the priorities of the EU, Kosovo and Serbian socities. I think the EU as the supposedly 'enlightened, multicultural' authority should spend less time shipping Roma out of their borders and more time helping them, as they certainly have more resources than the Balkans.

Another Canadian Serb

pre 14 godina

Has anyone else noticed that the numbers are always a high percentage majority of 80 % Kosovo Albanians seeking asylum?

What gives?

I thought that Sweden being an UDI acknowledger and creator of paradise in Kosovo would support the Albanians.

Now I see it all, Sweden supports and endorses the land theft of Serbia and hands it to the Albanians. Are not such decisions great when it doesn't involve your own money?

I on the other hand believe that Sweden is responsible for any Albanians of Serbian citizenship's request for asylum. Sweden created this mess and is now obligated to provide for these Albanians welfare.

winston

pre 14 godina

After reading Albani's post, I can't help but give the Albanian bloggers here less and less credibility. Albanians in Kosovo are trying to leave that black hole by the droves, where many live on 50 cents a day, and he/she says that Serbs are moving there for work. Do the Albanian trolls here see why you are laughed at?

pss

pre 14 godina

Has anyone else noticed that the numbers are always a high percentage majority of 80 % Kosovo Albanians seeking asylum?

What gives?
(Another Canadian Serb, 5 March 2010 12:29)
Maybe you should have read the Serbian translation, as you are havign some problem with the English one.
It says 80% are Roma, "some" are Albanian, and Kosovo is not mentioned at all.
Need to stand on another soap box, this one did not hold your weight.

ZagorTeNeJ

pre 14 godina

To Another Canadian Serb... please read it correctly '' About 80 percent of those seeking asylum are Roma,and some are Albanian'' this means that 20% could be Albanian of which some will be Serbian. Just, so there is no mix-up here. In any case aren't all these Serbian citizens, doen't that concern you?

toni

pre 14 godina

Another Canadian Serb. If you read the article it says "About 80 percent of those seeking asylum are Roma, and some are Albanian". So please don't read between lines as we can read too as is that a surprise too. Maybe you should ask yourself why do they need to ask for asylum? The answer is obvious don't you think. Because the Serbian governemnt does not invest in these people for them to be able to live a decent life in the beloved country called Serbia.. the list goes on...

Another Canadian Serb

pre 14 godina

Bganon,
I think you have a great master plan. Now if only you could be instrumental in the implementation.

If you need help, by all means please let me know!

Another Canadian Serb

pre 14 godina

Toni,
Just as the Albanians came to Yugoslavia for welfare, so did the Roma.

The Roma are the long lost Illyrian tribe and are indigenous to the region.

Therefore, Albania should take note and step up to the plate and take care of these people.

Jan Andersen (DK)

pre 14 godina

The article is about people with the new Serbian passports seeking asylum in Sweden, right?

People with Serbian passports = Serbian citizens, right? Or do the Serbian government hand out passports to everyone in the world? No? Good.

Some of these people happens to be of Albanian or Roma ethnicity. So what? They are still Serbian citizens, right?

And these Serbian citizens think their living conditions are so bad, that they will be better off in a faraway country, with a foreign language and an unknown culture?

Sounds strange to me, because as one poster wrote here recently: "Serbia is the economic power-house of the Balkans". Maybe that was not entirely true? Or is it a small house, too small for all its citizens? Unable to provide for its own citizens?
--

Albani

pre 14 godina

many serbians come now to Kosova to live from serbia. In serbia no good so that many want to come to albanians in Kosova to work and make a lota money.

Mirub Jager

pre 14 godina

I'm not sure in Canada but in English language when someone says "mostly Albanians and Roma" does not necessarily mean majority is Albanians, it could mean majority is Roma.

Anyway, how embarrassing for Serbia to have citizens (especially minority) leave the country en masse.

pss

pre 14 godina

(Another Canadian Serb, 5 March 2010 16:34
Does it not seem odd that someone who does not live in the motherland would criticize "anyone" who wants to leave???

pss

pre 14 godina

Canadian Serb, that is my point, the near future is not promising for anyone in the balkans whether it be Serbia, Kosovo, Montenegro, B&H, Macedonia, and to a lesser extent Croatia. So why say anything negative about anyone who wishes for a better life elsewhere.
I do not know whether your parents came to Canada legally or illegally, to me it does not matter, Canada and the US are both made up of immigrants. People who came to the new world for a better life, my family came in the 1700's but I cannot condemn anyone who wants to come to the US to make a better life.
My problem is twofold, those who have left but wish to deny the ones left the ability to bring the opportunities of the West into the balkans. The perputuation of ethnic hatred by those who do not live or have never lived in the area.
You and I differ on the view of Kosovo's right to independence, I can respect that we do not agree. The thing I consider unacceptable is your comments toward the Albanian population simply because you have Serbian blood in your veins.

Another Canadian Serb

pre 14 godina

toni and pss,
no you are both wrong. Do some research and you will find the majority asylum seekers are of Albanian ethnicity.
Following is another excerpt copied from an additional article in todays B92 news.

"In February alone, a total of 330 citizens from southern Serbia, mostly Albanians and Roma, sought political asylum in Belgium. In the first days of March, about 20 people a dayrequested this status."

However, if you still don't believe this, then GOOGLE it.

Ataman

pre 14 godina

"Albani", I presume you are a Serbian troll. Please do not give the impression that any Serb is welcome to come and work in Kosova.
(Flamur, 5 March 2010 13:52)

Both of you are terrific. I feel, the head of RPC does read your comments and you probably greatly contributed to his recently voiced opinion.

Still don't worry, he is a good man and has a friend, actually THREE friends (but you may regard them as one, nevermind, it's too complicated story) in a very high position - so you are probably set.

bader

pre 14 godina

Jan:

alot of swedes move to Norway or Denmark, alot of germans move to Sweden. Does that mean Sweden is poor and germany poorer? no not really. Norway is richer yes, but as for Denmark, employers pay much less tax for their employees compared to Sweden so the wages are higher. You really shouldn't read too much into it. I'm not saying that the serbian economy is comparable to that of any nordic country but I don't like how you (again) seem to want to find blame for serbia when there is none, seemingly because of one comment you didn't like?

Also minorities enjoy more self-autonomy in serbia than in Denmark(where there is none, in fact racism from politicians is a huge problem that has annually been in international reports) so your point isn't valid anyway...

Another Canadian Serb

pre 14 godina

pss,
There is nothing wrong with anyone wanting to better their lives. I was born in Canada to Serbian parents. But ethnically I am still a Serbian.

I guess the real question to this article would be why Sweden is sending these needy people back home.

Ultimately, the UDI acknowledgers represent these asylum seekers, but instead turn them back.

Zoran

pre 14 godina

many serbians come now to Kosova to live from serbia. In serbia no good so that many want to come to albanians in Kosova to work and make a lota money.
(Albani, 5 March 2010 11:13)
--
The only people that may apply to that are criminals. Serbia is cracking down on these types and their safe haven will be "Kosova", where they can thrive!

Mikael C

pre 14 godina

Jan

I suggest you read the article next time. People are leaving for economic reasons. Both Romas and Albanians are not very educated and bright so its not difficult to dupe them into believing they can get a job in Sweden without even speaking the language. People in the West have always moved where there is work. I live in Sweden and it's comon to move to a different city to work. Now days it difficult to find work anywhere in this country so I thought about going back to the US. If I choose to do that it doesn't mean the conditions in Sweden are bad they are just better somewhere else.

Ataman

pre 14 godina

Sounds strange to me, because as one poster wrote here recently: "Serbia is the economic power-house of the Balkans". Maybe that was not entirely true? Or is it a small house, too small for all its citizens? Unable to provide for its own citizens?
--
(Jan Andersen (DK), 5 March 2010 22:27)

Nothing strange. While going to Sweden they passed countries where people can live wonderfully (either legally or half-legally) with Serbian passport. In particular, Czech Republic welcomes everyone from Serbia to settle there permanently. Or ever heard about American Green Card Lottery? All countries of exYU are eligible. Chances are not bad - and even doing it with attorney or agency costs a mere $50 extra, otherwise it's free.

What USA or Czech Republic does not offer are the rivers of milk and honey and the garden fences made of salami.
On the other hand some believe wrongly, Sweden does offer these benefits.

And a little secret: if one has a good telecommuting job, both Thailand and Goa is a wonderful place to telecommute from. Serbian passport is perfect for that. Even that Kosovo document is OK. Kosovars who have a good jobs and are tired of all pigeons, snakes, KEK, Tadic and other local headache can rent out their flat to EULEX, buy an airplane ticket and take off to Bangkok for the entire winter.

I suspect these unfortunate souls have other things in mind.... not sure they can hook up any computer to the Internet or are familiar how a lavatory does work. Ever looked at the scenery under the "Gazella" bridge in Belgrade?

The authorities try in vain to do "somewhat" here in Hungary, too. This is nearly mission impossible. Lucky are the kids who can finish 6 grades and girls who don't get pregnant at 12-13. Many land up being hookers and in general both girls and boys are in-and-out of "correctional institute" beginning with early age.

I just write here what I see, no criticism towards anyone. I can get very emotional because the situation here ( = East Europe) regarding Gypsies is absolutely hopeless and so far nothing seem to work out for whatever reason. It's horrible that they need to leave, even more horrible to send them back. A classic case when everyone is guilty. It is no fun and if you single out a target to finger-point at be it Serbia/KosMet, Macedonia, Hungary, Romania: fine, you are welcome to come here and find a better solution. So far no one was successful yet.

BTW: don't come to experience that "goulash - Hungarian gypsy violinist - gucha festival - Boban Marković" romantic only. That's the upper class and it's NOT the reality on the ground. We do enjoy that fun with goulash, violin and Gucha too, but we know that underneath of it is poverty difficult to describe.

Adrian, Timisoara

pre 14 godina

Serbia is no EU member, but Serbs can travel without visa. I think that`s fair enough and i see no reason to give them more rights.

Danilo

pre 14 godina

None of these people who claim that Albanians are treated wonderfully in Serbia have witnessed an Albanian trying to get a Serbian ID card, I can guarantee it.

lakatos ernõ

pre 14 godina

BTW: don't come to experience that "goulash - Hungarian gypsy violinist - gucha festival - Boban Marković" romantic only. That's the upper class and it's NOT the reality on the ground. We do enjoy that fun with goulash, violin and Gucha too, but we know that underneath of it is poverty difficult to describe.
(Ataman, 6 March 2010 10:31)

Reading the article and the comment of our ultraliberal dannish poster one little song crossed my mind. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yYqQeDKcqrI And Coppenhagen is just within spitting distance from Malmö so one day maybe he will come round as well and forget about his childish ideas .It is always so easy to be clever when you are not familiar with the problem itself.

Ataman

pre 14 godina

Just a link:

Hungary became the #1 source of refugee applicants in Canada.

http://hvg.hu/vilag/20100303_kanadai_vizum

In 2009 1350 refugees from Hungary did arrive.

The authorities suspect that the root cause is probably world's most liberal refugee program which "kicks in" even before the court decision is made.

While waiting for the refugee status the "refugees" usually simply withdraw the application because the Canadian government pays a bonus to anyone who does withdraw it. Even after the withdrawal they are still eligible for generous bonuses like free lodging, welfare, etc.

Me too, please. I am thinking to apply several times. That is cool, I can get triple welfare, triple withdrawal bonus and rent out the two flats I don't need out of three. I will patent the idea. One thing I am not sure - what to tell Canadians why I am applying? Probably will figure out later.

No need to look further, the country with rivers of milk and honey and garden fences made from salami is found.

The "one way ticket" link was funny, like the dialect, LOL

Mark

pre 14 godina

"There is nothing wrong with anyone wanting to better their lives. I was born in Canada to Serbian parents. But ethnically I am still a Serbian. "

What a nice way to think... I am "ethnically" something... What does it really means ? You speak a language, you have relevant genetic difference from a neighbor "ethnicity"... come on.

Albani

pre 14 godina

many serbians come now to Kosova to live from serbia. In serbia no good so that many want to come to albanians in Kosova to work and make a lota money.

toni

pre 14 godina

Another Canadian Serb. If you read the article it says "About 80 percent of those seeking asylum are Roma, and some are Albanian". So please don't read between lines as we can read too as is that a surprise too. Maybe you should ask yourself why do they need to ask for asylum? The answer is obvious don't you think. Because the Serbian governemnt does not invest in these people for them to be able to live a decent life in the beloved country called Serbia.. the list goes on...

pss

pre 14 godina

Has anyone else noticed that the numbers are always a high percentage majority of 80 % Kosovo Albanians seeking asylum?

What gives?
(Another Canadian Serb, 5 March 2010 12:29)
Maybe you should have read the Serbian translation, as you are havign some problem with the English one.
It says 80% are Roma, "some" are Albanian, and Kosovo is not mentioned at all.
Need to stand on another soap box, this one did not hold your weight.

ZagorTeNeJ

pre 14 godina

To Another Canadian Serb... please read it correctly '' About 80 percent of those seeking asylum are Roma,and some are Albanian'' this means that 20% could be Albanian of which some will be Serbian. Just, so there is no mix-up here. In any case aren't all these Serbian citizens, doen't that concern you?

Another Canadian Serb

pre 14 godina

Has anyone else noticed that the numbers are always a high percentage majority of 80 % Kosovo Albanians seeking asylum?

What gives?

I thought that Sweden being an UDI acknowledger and creator of paradise in Kosovo would support the Albanians.

Now I see it all, Sweden supports and endorses the land theft of Serbia and hands it to the Albanians. Are not such decisions great when it doesn't involve your own money?

I on the other hand believe that Sweden is responsible for any Albanians of Serbian citizenship's request for asylum. Sweden created this mess and is now obligated to provide for these Albanians welfare.

The Truth

pre 14 godina

He said that he is very concerned and believes that the people who are coming to Sweden and seeking asylum are being scammed by someone.

Albanians are being scammed the same way in Kosovo by believing they are independent. Kurti is right! There is no independence that's why he is incharge of a self-determination movement.

Another Canadian Serb

pre 14 godina

Toni,
Just as the Albanians came to Yugoslavia for welfare, so did the Roma.

The Roma are the long lost Illyrian tribe and are indigenous to the region.

Therefore, Albania should take note and step up to the plate and take care of these people.

Dragan

pre 14 godina

Flamer,

Who are you to tell Serbs if they are welcome in 'Kosova' or not? Kosova is a Bantu tribe which inhabits the Kissii district of western Kenya.
http://www.economicexpert.com/a/Bantu:Kosova.html
I don't think Serbs are really looking to move there, but if they want to, more power to them. As for Kosovo, well that is sovereign Serbian soil, which means it belongs to Serbs. Which means we don't need an invitation from anyone, we are here for the long haul, these foreign invaders are just temporarily, and illegaly, occupying our land, but they will not stay forever.
Cheers!!

bganon

pre 14 godina

Wow it makes one wonder whether we should create a medium term Serbian master plan of joining the EU at all costs then once all the Kosovo Albanians have left for the EU we can organise a Serb vote for independence of Kosovo from Kosova!

On a more serious note I pity the Roma, time and again they are bottom of the heap in the priorities of the EU, Kosovo and Serbian socities. I think the EU as the supposedly 'enlightened, multicultural' authority should spend less time shipping Roma out of their borders and more time helping them, as they certainly have more resources than the Balkans.

Jan Andersen (DK)

pre 14 godina

The article is about people with the new Serbian passports seeking asylum in Sweden, right?

People with Serbian passports = Serbian citizens, right? Or do the Serbian government hand out passports to everyone in the world? No? Good.

Some of these people happens to be of Albanian or Roma ethnicity. So what? They are still Serbian citizens, right?

And these Serbian citizens think their living conditions are so bad, that they will be better off in a faraway country, with a foreign language and an unknown culture?

Sounds strange to me, because as one poster wrote here recently: "Serbia is the economic power-house of the Balkans". Maybe that was not entirely true? Or is it a small house, too small for all its citizens? Unable to provide for its own citizens?
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Mirub Jager

pre 14 godina

I'm not sure in Canada but in English language when someone says "mostly Albanians and Roma" does not necessarily mean majority is Albanians, it could mean majority is Roma.

Anyway, how embarrassing for Serbia to have citizens (especially minority) leave the country en masse.

winston

pre 14 godina

After reading Albani's post, I can't help but give the Albanian bloggers here less and less credibility. Albanians in Kosovo are trying to leave that black hole by the droves, where many live on 50 cents a day, and he/she says that Serbs are moving there for work. Do the Albanian trolls here see why you are laughed at?

Peter Sudyka

pre 14 godina

Huh? Why should Kosovo Albanians want asylum when they now technically have their own country?

So they fought for independence and their own country and now when they got it they are still trying to escape from it?

I don't understand how they could be classified as "asylum seekers".

Another Canadian Serb

pre 14 godina

Bganon,
I think you have a great master plan. Now if only you could be instrumental in the implementation.

If you need help, by all means please let me know!

pss

pre 14 godina

(Another Canadian Serb, 5 March 2010 16:34
Does it not seem odd that someone who does not live in the motherland would criticize "anyone" who wants to leave???

Danilo

pre 14 godina

None of these people who claim that Albanians are treated wonderfully in Serbia have witnessed an Albanian trying to get a Serbian ID card, I can guarantee it.

Another Canadian Serb

pre 14 godina

pss,
There is nothing wrong with anyone wanting to better their lives. I was born in Canada to Serbian parents. But ethnically I am still a Serbian.

I guess the real question to this article would be why Sweden is sending these needy people back home.

Ultimately, the UDI acknowledgers represent these asylum seekers, but instead turn them back.

Another Canadian Serb

pre 14 godina

toni and pss,
no you are both wrong. Do some research and you will find the majority asylum seekers are of Albanian ethnicity.
Following is another excerpt copied from an additional article in todays B92 news.

"In February alone, a total of 330 citizens from southern Serbia, mostly Albanians and Roma, sought political asylum in Belgium. In the first days of March, about 20 people a dayrequested this status."

However, if you still don't believe this, then GOOGLE it.

Zoran

pre 14 godina

many serbians come now to Kosova to live from serbia. In serbia no good so that many want to come to albanians in Kosova to work and make a lota money.
(Albani, 5 March 2010 11:13)
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The only people that may apply to that are criminals. Serbia is cracking down on these types and their safe haven will be "Kosova", where they can thrive!

Ataman

pre 14 godina

"Albani", I presume you are a Serbian troll. Please do not give the impression that any Serb is welcome to come and work in Kosova.
(Flamur, 5 March 2010 13:52)

Both of you are terrific. I feel, the head of RPC does read your comments and you probably greatly contributed to his recently voiced opinion.

Still don't worry, he is a good man and has a friend, actually THREE friends (but you may regard them as one, nevermind, it's too complicated story) in a very high position - so you are probably set.

Mark

pre 14 godina

"There is nothing wrong with anyone wanting to better their lives. I was born in Canada to Serbian parents. But ethnically I am still a Serbian. "

What a nice way to think... I am "ethnically" something... What does it really means ? You speak a language, you have relevant genetic difference from a neighbor "ethnicity"... come on.

Ataman

pre 14 godina

Just a link:

Hungary became the #1 source of refugee applicants in Canada.

http://hvg.hu/vilag/20100303_kanadai_vizum

In 2009 1350 refugees from Hungary did arrive.

The authorities suspect that the root cause is probably world's most liberal refugee program which "kicks in" even before the court decision is made.

While waiting for the refugee status the "refugees" usually simply withdraw the application because the Canadian government pays a bonus to anyone who does withdraw it. Even after the withdrawal they are still eligible for generous bonuses like free lodging, welfare, etc.

Me too, please. I am thinking to apply several times. That is cool, I can get triple welfare, triple withdrawal bonus and rent out the two flats I don't need out of three. I will patent the idea. One thing I am not sure - what to tell Canadians why I am applying? Probably will figure out later.

No need to look further, the country with rivers of milk and honey and garden fences made from salami is found.

The "one way ticket" link was funny, like the dialect, LOL

Adrian, Timisoara

pre 14 godina

Serbia is no EU member, but Serbs can travel without visa. I think that`s fair enough and i see no reason to give them more rights.

pss

pre 14 godina

Canadian Serb, that is my point, the near future is not promising for anyone in the balkans whether it be Serbia, Kosovo, Montenegro, B&H, Macedonia, and to a lesser extent Croatia. So why say anything negative about anyone who wishes for a better life elsewhere.
I do not know whether your parents came to Canada legally or illegally, to me it does not matter, Canada and the US are both made up of immigrants. People who came to the new world for a better life, my family came in the 1700's but I cannot condemn anyone who wants to come to the US to make a better life.
My problem is twofold, those who have left but wish to deny the ones left the ability to bring the opportunities of the West into the balkans. The perputuation of ethnic hatred by those who do not live or have never lived in the area.
You and I differ on the view of Kosovo's right to independence, I can respect that we do not agree. The thing I consider unacceptable is your comments toward the Albanian population simply because you have Serbian blood in your veins.

Mikael C

pre 14 godina

Jan

I suggest you read the article next time. People are leaving for economic reasons. Both Romas and Albanians are not very educated and bright so its not difficult to dupe them into believing they can get a job in Sweden without even speaking the language. People in the West have always moved where there is work. I live in Sweden and it's comon to move to a different city to work. Now days it difficult to find work anywhere in this country so I thought about going back to the US. If I choose to do that it doesn't mean the conditions in Sweden are bad they are just better somewhere else.

Ataman

pre 14 godina

Sounds strange to me, because as one poster wrote here recently: "Serbia is the economic power-house of the Balkans". Maybe that was not entirely true? Or is it a small house, too small for all its citizens? Unable to provide for its own citizens?
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(Jan Andersen (DK), 5 March 2010 22:27)

Nothing strange. While going to Sweden they passed countries where people can live wonderfully (either legally or half-legally) with Serbian passport. In particular, Czech Republic welcomes everyone from Serbia to settle there permanently. Or ever heard about American Green Card Lottery? All countries of exYU are eligible. Chances are not bad - and even doing it with attorney or agency costs a mere $50 extra, otherwise it's free.

What USA or Czech Republic does not offer are the rivers of milk and honey and the garden fences made of salami.
On the other hand some believe wrongly, Sweden does offer these benefits.

And a little secret: if one has a good telecommuting job, both Thailand and Goa is a wonderful place to telecommute from. Serbian passport is perfect for that. Even that Kosovo document is OK. Kosovars who have a good jobs and are tired of all pigeons, snakes, KEK, Tadic and other local headache can rent out their flat to EULEX, buy an airplane ticket and take off to Bangkok for the entire winter.

I suspect these unfortunate souls have other things in mind.... not sure they can hook up any computer to the Internet or are familiar how a lavatory does work. Ever looked at the scenery under the "Gazella" bridge in Belgrade?

The authorities try in vain to do "somewhat" here in Hungary, too. This is nearly mission impossible. Lucky are the kids who can finish 6 grades and girls who don't get pregnant at 12-13. Many land up being hookers and in general both girls and boys are in-and-out of "correctional institute" beginning with early age.

I just write here what I see, no criticism towards anyone. I can get very emotional because the situation here ( = East Europe) regarding Gypsies is absolutely hopeless and so far nothing seem to work out for whatever reason. It's horrible that they need to leave, even more horrible to send them back. A classic case when everyone is guilty. It is no fun and if you single out a target to finger-point at be it Serbia/KosMet, Macedonia, Hungary, Romania: fine, you are welcome to come here and find a better solution. So far no one was successful yet.

BTW: don't come to experience that "goulash - Hungarian gypsy violinist - gucha festival - Boban Marković" romantic only. That's the upper class and it's NOT the reality on the ground. We do enjoy that fun with goulash, violin and Gucha too, but we know that underneath of it is poverty difficult to describe.

bader

pre 14 godina

Jan:

alot of swedes move to Norway or Denmark, alot of germans move to Sweden. Does that mean Sweden is poor and germany poorer? no not really. Norway is richer yes, but as for Denmark, employers pay much less tax for their employees compared to Sweden so the wages are higher. You really shouldn't read too much into it. I'm not saying that the serbian economy is comparable to that of any nordic country but I don't like how you (again) seem to want to find blame for serbia when there is none, seemingly because of one comment you didn't like?

Also minorities enjoy more self-autonomy in serbia than in Denmark(where there is none, in fact racism from politicians is a huge problem that has annually been in international reports) so your point isn't valid anyway...

lakatos ernõ

pre 14 godina

BTW: don't come to experience that "goulash - Hungarian gypsy violinist - gucha festival - Boban Marković" romantic only. That's the upper class and it's NOT the reality on the ground. We do enjoy that fun with goulash, violin and Gucha too, but we know that underneath of it is poverty difficult to describe.
(Ataman, 6 March 2010 10:31)

Reading the article and the comment of our ultraliberal dannish poster one little song crossed my mind. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yYqQeDKcqrI And Coppenhagen is just within spitting distance from Malmö so one day maybe he will come round as well and forget about his childish ideas .It is always so easy to be clever when you are not familiar with the problem itself.