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Thursday, 25.02.2010.

10:40

Argentina appeals to UN over Falklands

Washington “refused to support British claims on the sovereignty of the Falkland Islands”, reports Argentina's Momento24 website.

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ZMAJ

pre 14 godina

Britian will defend the Falklands with or without US help and if need be withdraw fron Afganistan, just remember American posters it was the UK who fully backed you in your hour of need after 9/11, its the UK who went to war with you in Iraq and still supports the war on terror.
(DAVE(uk), 27 February 2010 23:49)

This is the most stupid thing someone can say and achieve something in today's world. And you're ready to say this to the Chinese Empire- I believe! Aren't you?

Suicidal!!

ZMAJ

pre 14 godina

Greek why are you so anti British?
(DAVE(uk), 27 February 2010 23:49)

IT'S EASY!!


Because Greeks knows appreciate life and human values, they have style, warm blood.., and cuisine.

WHAT ABOUT MARBLES?!!

Is there a country you didn't commit criminal act??

DAVE(uk)

pre 14 godina

4) Britain is just a middle country without the assistance of the USA. If the americans hadn't helped UK drastically in the Falklands war in 1982, today Falklands would simply belong to Argentina. And nowdays they made it clear that they are not going to support you... so if Argentina decides to take them back, they will just do so...

Greek why are you so anti British? Right the USA was split on who to support, the US feared the soviet influence in South America and wanted to give some support to thee Argies, another thing they have a large LAtino population who were against helping Britian. Caspar Weinberger
on the other hand was very pro british and wanted to support the UK he thought the US should help another NATO country. Publically the US was neutral however some supplies were sold to the UK, lets not forget the Argentine forces had also been supplied with US and French arms.

To all those talking about Empire days, look Britian does not harp on about Empire days the Labour goverment constanly apologises for it. There are greater things at stake if we give up the Falklands, Spain will want Gibraltar back.

Back to the Falklands the Island was occupied by the British, French,Spanish and the united provinces of the river plate in 1764. From 1964 to 1833 there were disputes over the island some included the US and the united provinces (Argentina) having a naval battle this was due to the Argies taking US ships. In 1833 the British sent a task force and gained control of the Falklands. The British asked the Argies to leave which they did without firing a shot. The Falklands has never been under complete Argentine control and never will, lastely the Falkland goverment is indepenent to Britians goverment and it is the people of the Falklands who wish to be part of Britian although they have the right of self determination.

Britian will defend the Falklands with or without US help and if need be withdraw fron Afganistan, just remember American posters it was the UK who fully backed you in your hour of need after 9/11, its the UK who went to war with you in Iraq and still supports the war on terror.

Greek you are totally misguided if you think any of the South American armed foreces are capable of Beating the British armed forces.

Arigo

pre 14 godina

I feel sorry for this British guys on forum. You can not exploit other nations and their territories. Just look around, every trouble spot in the world was created by British. Afghanistan, Pakistan, Palestine, Iraq, Iran, just name it.

Poor old British, they can not get in their heads that they are not imperial power any more. They like to apply double standards whenever it suits them. It is year 2010, wake up!

guru

pre 14 godina

"Faukland islands sooner or later will be returned to their rightful owners. Argentinians these are. The time of "colonial imperialsim" has finished in the beggining of the 20th century."
(The Greek, 25 February 2010 14:08)

To The Greek and others who mention colonial stuff. What do you people think Argentinians themselves are? They are colonialists themselves, descendants of colonialists. They speak Spanish in case you did not know. The name Argentina itself has a meaning in Spanish. So, in reality, you are supporting one colonizer over another. Only the British found nobody there, when they went there.

ben

pre 14 godina

There are about 60bn barrels of oil there so Argentina says let me make some noise there and perhaps I can renegotiate better terms; perhaps I can get 10-20bn from the 60...

Mirub Jager

pre 14 godina

Because of high inflation and recession the Argentina economy is suffering. Together with that Ms Kirshner's popularity. In addition, the Kirchner's sudden fortune accumulated during their reign raised eyebrows among constituents. The only card left on her deck is the nationalist card. Argentinites know well that UK has been doing oil digging research in and around the islands for years now. They also realized (after the war) that people living on the islands fought on the British side. Besides, Argentina considered the British their defenders from Portugal, French, and Spanish influence during the ages.

I strongly believe that the whole situation is overblown at Ms. Kirshner's request to institute and stir national feelings to forgo and forget the economic crisis before it becomes her "legacy."

ZMAJ

pre 14 godina

"It is quite amusing reading the hypocritcal comments of the brits who squeal international law when it comes to the Falkland Islands but side with the theft and division of another country that is completely against numerous Helsinki Accords and thus totally against international law. But then again, that is the nature of power - to serves their own foreign policy ends..."
(Aleks, 25 February 2010 23:57)

The nature of your power is very well known, that's why you have that power lesser and lesser- every day!

OTHERS are ruling the future, are you blind??

Aleks

pre 14 godina

It is quite amusing reading the hypocritcal comments of the brits who squeal international law when it comes to the Falkland Islands but side with the theft and division of another country that is completely against numerous Helsinki Accords and thus totally against international law. But then again, that is the nature of power - to serves their own foreign policy ends.

Personally I don't think the Falklands belong to the Argentinians because it is not their population and well outside their exclusive economic zone and influence, though this is not really the issue. The Argentians want a piece of the oil pie if there is one and this is a means of strengthening their negotiating position.

Why then should the Serbian government not recognize Argentina's sovereignty over the Falklands and just say that it is 'Not a precedent' then?

The Brits should have no problem with that but we all know that they would take reprisals against Serbia in one way or another. Its not a precedent! Butter isn't made from cows milk! The earth isn't round!

BTW, I don't know if anyone was paying attention but Mexico and the rest of LatAm are forming a regional grouping excluding North America and Canada. Whilst it is still far from a LatAm version of the EU (considering the fate of MERCUSOR), it certainly expresses a rejection of north american interference in influence in the region. The developing world continues to rise and and challenge the first world (remember the Doha round of talks on globalization?) and holds no legacy of respect for it either, though that is hardly a surprise considering how the current economic crisis was created.

winston

pre 14 godina

Many Albanians here present things the way they would like them to be, as opposed to the way they actually are. Your handlers (US/UK/EU) are sliding into a deeper abyss by the day, what will be of the UDI once you have no support?

svojgazda

pre 14 godina

Adrian, if Greece is so economically pathetic, why did so many Albanians flock there to work? Why didn't they go to this financial Disneyland called the UK? As always, any topic, in this case the Falkland Islands, becomes an argument about Kosovo, i.e., who recognized and who didn't.

Zoran

pre 14 godina

If you honestly believe that the UK’s economy is in a worse shape than Greece’s then you obviously have been fed with lies from Greek commies, insincere trade unions or probably a member of one of those hypocritical and extremist organisations.
(adrian kola, 25 February 2010 18:37)
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You forgot to mention the Telegraph. Check http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/financetopics/financialcrisis/7266097/Britain-at-risk-of-worse-deficit-crisis-than-Greece.html

adrian kola

pre 14 godina

@ Greek
If you honestly believe that the UK’s economy is in a worse shape than Greece’s then you obviously have been fed with lies from Greek commies, insincere trade unions or probably a member of one of those hypocritical and extremist organisations. Mate you need to understand the basics of supply and demand which is the backbone of the capitalist system. Britain does. Britian has oil, Britain has a sound services industry, Britain has a sound manufacturing industry and most importantly Britain controls its own monitory policy because it’s not a member of the ECB. Greece on the other hand borrows more than it can pay back and worse, it doesn’t produce anything at all (at least nothing meaningful), has a massive unemployment rate, and all analysts don’t see any meaningful recovery for Greece for at least another 10 years. Ultimately Greece doesn’t fulfil any of the Maastricht Treat’s clauses for a common monitory policy. In effect, Greece is relegated on the same country list as Croatia, Romania, Bulgaria, Cyprus and Portugal.
I’m annoyed that B92 hasn’t published my original piece to your first comment!

The Greek

pre 14 godina

To Ian, UK:

1) To have an industrial big country like UK, that has never been conquered by anyone to have larger dept than Greece (12.7 < 12.5) just shows how easily depts can actually be done. Your economy is in worse condition (theoretically) than Greece's.

2) You say your economy is in a better condition. Just yesterday the Euro MP's made fun of UK that can actually be the second country (after Greece) that could need bailing out by the EU! (please watch euro news, you might see the commnets and the MP's laughing about Britain..).

3) Nobody is going to sue Greece. You just say so for propaganda purposes or simply "wish" so. Simply because there are countries (like it was recently uncovered for UK and mostly Italy) which have larger depts as a percentage of their's GDP.

4) Britain is just a middle country without the assistance of the USA. If the americans hadn't helped UK drastically in the Falklands war in 1982, today Falklands would simply belong to Argentina. And nowdays they made it clear that they are not going to support you... so if Argentina decides to take them back, they will just do so...

5) And please enjoy the Greek marbles a little more. After all, Greek culture is a gift to those who don't have any by themselves. Even the ones who have stolen some part of it, like the British did.

6) And please don't talk like an Englishman. Just talk like an immigrant there who is even afraid to reveal his true nationality.....

winston

pre 14 godina

Ian, you are clearly Albanian, what is it with the we (British) stuff? The sovereignty of the Falklands is in dispute. Just because the colonizers stamp their foot and say it is their's, does not make it so. Like someone else mentioned, look at a map of the South Atlantic, and explain what the British are doing there. There are 1000 residents living there, the rest are soldiers, and half a million sheep. This is England's attempt to grabs natural resources for its crown. Just like in their historic days of barbarous colonization. It's the 21st century for God's sake, we cannot allow, as a just and free world, anymore "might is right" attitudes from resource sexploiting nations.

svojgazda

pre 14 godina

I really don't think the Argentine's care much about what the Albanians think on this matter. But, I do see that they (Albanians) are bitter towards this So. American nation because they respect international law, and did not recognize an independent Albanian Kosovo. For people like them (Albanians), everything revolves around their UDI in the Balkans. FYI, the oil fields in dispute are in international waters, not in Britain's waters. Take a look at a world map, and tell me what the British are doing there anyway. Does colonization and exploitation come to mind?

winston

pre 14 godina

You are wrong, John. The Argentine's has control of the Falkland's prior to the British exercising de facto sovereignty in 1833. Another case of might is right, in England's glorious history. English settlers were brought to the island for colonization - they obviously didn't swim there. So the issue of sovereignty has been is dispute for some time. Albanians must feel at home, arguing about disputed land grabs, and taking the side of the colonizer again. This is all about the oil, people. Even Thacther knew that. Do you think it's about the sheep there?

Zoran

pre 14 godina

Well, it seems obvious the "Empire" is falling and that is the reason the Falklands are back on the agenda. How much longer will people tolerate the declining "might" in the West?

ZMAJ

pre 14 godina

Use every floating object and supplies and bring half million people to the island.. Then bring the army to defend- people! You'll move them not from the island but from the hemisphere, also! "English pride" built in the Fokland War... Give us a brake! This is a new page- of the new age! You're past!

lowe

pre 14 godina

"I think we will keep the Falkland Islands, just like we will keep the Elgin Marbles. Who is going to stop us? The Argentinians? No. The Greeks? No. Russia? No. China? No. Brazil? No. Mexico? No? India? No. The US? No. The UN? No. The UN can't do anything it is weak and powerless. If they want to pass a UNSCR we will veto it. We have already said since the very beginning to the UN that we will refuse to co-operate with the UN regarding Overseas territories. I think there should be a referendum on the Falkland Islands and let the people decide their own future instead of Argentina demanding that we hand them over. There is nothing Argentinian about them.

Yes we might be in more debt, but our economy is in a better state than Greece's. And we are not the ones who are to be sued by the EU unlike Greece. I wonder if the UK had anything to do with that? Once again the UK has the right playing cards.
(Ian, UK, 25 February 2010 15:08) "

Yes, Britain has the veto ..... now oicture this ...... suppose Scotland and Wales were to bolt the union ...... and we use the Yugoslavia precedent ..... London not only will lose its UNSC seat, it will probably have to apply for UN membership ..... as an ordinary member .... subjected to the veto whims of Moscow and Beijing .... ouch!

Ian, UK

pre 14 godina

I think we will keep the Falkland Islands, just like we will keep the Elgin Marbles. Who is going to stop us? The Argentinians? No. The Greeks? No. Russia? No. China? No. Brazil? No. Mexico? No? India? No. The US? No. The UN? No. The UN can't do anything it is weak and powerless. If they want to pass a UNSCR we will veto it. We have already said since the very beginning to the UN that we will refuse to co-operate with the UN regarding Overseas territories. I think there should be a referendum on the Falkland Islands and let the people decide their own future instead of Argentina demanding that we hand them over. There is nothing Argentinian about them.

Yes we might be in more debt, but our economy is in a better state than Greece's. And we are not the ones who are to be sued by the EU unlike Greece. I wonder if the UK had anything to do with that? Once again the UK has the right playing cards.

The Truth

pre 14 godina

John,
"Whew! for a second there i thought i was going to read that the Falkland Islands belong to the Albanians."
Another Canadian Serb

Actually three billion light years ago the Falkland islands were part of Dardaninininia. And the ancient dardinitian king Krasniqi founded the island. So, yes, it belongs to Albania. The whole world belongs to Albanians, and the moon, Jupiter, Saturn and all the black holes in the universe.

John

pre 14 godina

@ The Greek

You made me laugh, seriously. What occupation? The British "occupation" of penguins? No Argentino (except for those invaders in 1982) set ever foot on this land. The British took control over it more than 200 years ago, when they were completely uninhabited and before Argentina was even created. The people there are 99,9% pure and loyal British citizens. This island never belonged to anyone except for the British. How on Earth Argentina can claim anything under those circumstances?

But I understand the Serbian/Greek reflexes taking side of a British enemy. But this not only confirms that we Albanians stand on right side, but that whole talk about International Law is just a scrap of talk, not serious taken. Argentina's "claim" on Falkland Islands as well as it's stance when it defended Serbia, and the Serbian support for Argentina vice versa, exposes the true nature of you all. Actually, we can be thankful for that, because you destroy the ground on which you claim to stand.

Regarding the Falkland Islands I have no doubt that the British will hold it without any problems. They have the population, the moral right and REAL international law on their side. But in the end, it is the mighty Royal Navy with (ultima ratio) its nuclear deterrent will make sure that no Latin American warmongerer will dare to attack this pure British soil again, and that oil and gas there will make us in the West again a little bit more less dependent, actually and amazingly more than 60 Billion liter oil can be found there. Overall, very good news.

Cheers!

PS: The British still have their own currency with which they can do whatever they want to do. It is their business and I'm sure that they will handle it, because they have an industry, unlike other countries which benefited over decades from European subsidies and lying and stealing into others currencies, costing the European and honest workers more money than a 100 years of Kosovo subsidies could do.

Rashan

pre 14 godina

John or Pe-johnny

"The Albanian people stands firmly on British's side on all that matters"

What matters to us is that they are there with you standing in whatever it is you are standing in and not here, so thanks.

The Greek

pre 14 godina

Yes, the Albanian people traditionally stand on every occupier's side! Like the are occupiers by themselves in a trully and totally Serbian land (kosovo).

Faukland islands sooner or later will be returned to their rightful owners. Argentinians these are. The time of "colonial imperialsim" has finished in the beggining of the 20th century.

PS: Britain can just worry about their financial trouble as just last week it was anounced that their dept is 12.7% of their GDP(slightly higher than Greece's..)!

Mike

pre 14 godina

"The Albanian people stands firmly on British's side on all that matters." (John)

-- Yes, provided they continue to support you, right? I mean based on your comment that's somewhere around 35 years out of date, let's not be under any pretense you have any standalone morals on this issue :)

adrian kola

pre 14 godina

to 'The Greek'

Oh and one more last thing. I think Greece is the last country on earth to point out another country's economic woes... please!! Your deficit has reached the monn and back and only the Brits and Germans can save your delapidated tourism industry and olive oil farms (what else does Greece produce again???. As a Greek you should at least know this!

John

pre 14 godina

The Argentino government really reminds me of the Serbian one. A democratic shape with an aggressive and warmongering agenda under it. No wonder why ties between those countries are so firm. But British souvereignty over Falkland is clear which tells us that Argentinos view of "International Law" is somewhat different. Again, reminds me of Serbia.

Anyway, Falkland Islands are British, just as South Cyprus and Gibraltar. The Albanian people stands firmly on British's side on all that matters.

Cheers!

The Greek

pre 14 godina

Yes, the Albanian people traditionally stand on every occupier's side! Like the are occupiers by themselves in a trully and totally Serbian land (kosovo).

Faukland islands sooner or later will be returned to their rightful owners. Argentinians these are. The time of "colonial imperialsim" has finished in the beggining of the 20th century.

PS: Britain can just worry about their financial trouble as just last week it was anounced that their dept is 12.7% of their GDP(slightly higher than Greece's..)!

Ian, UK

pre 14 godina

I think we will keep the Falkland Islands, just like we will keep the Elgin Marbles. Who is going to stop us? The Argentinians? No. The Greeks? No. Russia? No. China? No. Brazil? No. Mexico? No? India? No. The US? No. The UN? No. The UN can't do anything it is weak and powerless. If they want to pass a UNSCR we will veto it. We have already said since the very beginning to the UN that we will refuse to co-operate with the UN regarding Overseas territories. I think there should be a referendum on the Falkland Islands and let the people decide their own future instead of Argentina demanding that we hand them over. There is nothing Argentinian about them.

Yes we might be in more debt, but our economy is in a better state than Greece's. And we are not the ones who are to be sued by the EU unlike Greece. I wonder if the UK had anything to do with that? Once again the UK has the right playing cards.

John

pre 14 godina

The Argentino government really reminds me of the Serbian one. A democratic shape with an aggressive and warmongering agenda under it. No wonder why ties between those countries are so firm. But British souvereignty over Falkland is clear which tells us that Argentinos view of "International Law" is somewhat different. Again, reminds me of Serbia.

Anyway, Falkland Islands are British, just as South Cyprus and Gibraltar. The Albanian people stands firmly on British's side on all that matters.

Cheers!

Mike

pre 14 godina

"The Albanian people stands firmly on British's side on all that matters." (John)

-- Yes, provided they continue to support you, right? I mean based on your comment that's somewhere around 35 years out of date, let's not be under any pretense you have any standalone morals on this issue :)

ZMAJ

pre 14 godina

Use every floating object and supplies and bring half million people to the island.. Then bring the army to defend- people! You'll move them not from the island but from the hemisphere, also! "English pride" built in the Fokland War... Give us a brake! This is a new page- of the new age! You're past!

The Truth

pre 14 godina

John,
"Whew! for a second there i thought i was going to read that the Falkland Islands belong to the Albanians."
Another Canadian Serb

Actually three billion light years ago the Falkland islands were part of Dardaninininia. And the ancient dardinitian king Krasniqi founded the island. So, yes, it belongs to Albania. The whole world belongs to Albanians, and the moon, Jupiter, Saturn and all the black holes in the universe.

lowe

pre 14 godina

"I think we will keep the Falkland Islands, just like we will keep the Elgin Marbles. Who is going to stop us? The Argentinians? No. The Greeks? No. Russia? No. China? No. Brazil? No. Mexico? No? India? No. The US? No. The UN? No. The UN can't do anything it is weak and powerless. If they want to pass a UNSCR we will veto it. We have already said since the very beginning to the UN that we will refuse to co-operate with the UN regarding Overseas territories. I think there should be a referendum on the Falkland Islands and let the people decide their own future instead of Argentina demanding that we hand them over. There is nothing Argentinian about them.

Yes we might be in more debt, but our economy is in a better state than Greece's. And we are not the ones who are to be sued by the EU unlike Greece. I wonder if the UK had anything to do with that? Once again the UK has the right playing cards.
(Ian, UK, 25 February 2010 15:08) "

Yes, Britain has the veto ..... now oicture this ...... suppose Scotland and Wales were to bolt the union ...... and we use the Yugoslavia precedent ..... London not only will lose its UNSC seat, it will probably have to apply for UN membership ..... as an ordinary member .... subjected to the veto whims of Moscow and Beijing .... ouch!

John

pre 14 godina

@ The Greek

You made me laugh, seriously. What occupation? The British "occupation" of penguins? No Argentino (except for those invaders in 1982) set ever foot on this land. The British took control over it more than 200 years ago, when they were completely uninhabited and before Argentina was even created. The people there are 99,9% pure and loyal British citizens. This island never belonged to anyone except for the British. How on Earth Argentina can claim anything under those circumstances?

But I understand the Serbian/Greek reflexes taking side of a British enemy. But this not only confirms that we Albanians stand on right side, but that whole talk about International Law is just a scrap of talk, not serious taken. Argentina's "claim" on Falkland Islands as well as it's stance when it defended Serbia, and the Serbian support for Argentina vice versa, exposes the true nature of you all. Actually, we can be thankful for that, because you destroy the ground on which you claim to stand.

Regarding the Falkland Islands I have no doubt that the British will hold it without any problems. They have the population, the moral right and REAL international law on their side. But in the end, it is the mighty Royal Navy with (ultima ratio) its nuclear deterrent will make sure that no Latin American warmongerer will dare to attack this pure British soil again, and that oil and gas there will make us in the West again a little bit more less dependent, actually and amazingly more than 60 Billion liter oil can be found there. Overall, very good news.

Cheers!

PS: The British still have their own currency with which they can do whatever they want to do. It is their business and I'm sure that they will handle it, because they have an industry, unlike other countries which benefited over decades from European subsidies and lying and stealing into others currencies, costing the European and honest workers more money than a 100 years of Kosovo subsidies could do.

The Greek

pre 14 godina

To Ian, UK:

1) To have an industrial big country like UK, that has never been conquered by anyone to have larger dept than Greece (12.7 < 12.5) just shows how easily depts can actually be done. Your economy is in worse condition (theoretically) than Greece's.

2) You say your economy is in a better condition. Just yesterday the Euro MP's made fun of UK that can actually be the second country (after Greece) that could need bailing out by the EU! (please watch euro news, you might see the commnets and the MP's laughing about Britain..).

3) Nobody is going to sue Greece. You just say so for propaganda purposes or simply "wish" so. Simply because there are countries (like it was recently uncovered for UK and mostly Italy) which have larger depts as a percentage of their's GDP.

4) Britain is just a middle country without the assistance of the USA. If the americans hadn't helped UK drastically in the Falklands war in 1982, today Falklands would simply belong to Argentina. And nowdays they made it clear that they are not going to support you... so if Argentina decides to take them back, they will just do so...

5) And please enjoy the Greek marbles a little more. After all, Greek culture is a gift to those who don't have any by themselves. Even the ones who have stolen some part of it, like the British did.

6) And please don't talk like an Englishman. Just talk like an immigrant there who is even afraid to reveal his true nationality.....

Rashan

pre 14 godina

John or Pe-johnny

"The Albanian people stands firmly on British's side on all that matters"

What matters to us is that they are there with you standing in whatever it is you are standing in and not here, so thanks.

Zoran

pre 14 godina

Well, it seems obvious the "Empire" is falling and that is the reason the Falklands are back on the agenda. How much longer will people tolerate the declining "might" in the West?

winston

pre 14 godina

Ian, you are clearly Albanian, what is it with the we (British) stuff? The sovereignty of the Falklands is in dispute. Just because the colonizers stamp their foot and say it is their's, does not make it so. Like someone else mentioned, look at a map of the South Atlantic, and explain what the British are doing there. There are 1000 residents living there, the rest are soldiers, and half a million sheep. This is England's attempt to grabs natural resources for its crown. Just like in their historic days of barbarous colonization. It's the 21st century for God's sake, we cannot allow, as a just and free world, anymore "might is right" attitudes from resource sexploiting nations.

winston

pre 14 godina

You are wrong, John. The Argentine's has control of the Falkland's prior to the British exercising de facto sovereignty in 1833. Another case of might is right, in England's glorious history. English settlers were brought to the island for colonization - they obviously didn't swim there. So the issue of sovereignty has been is dispute for some time. Albanians must feel at home, arguing about disputed land grabs, and taking the side of the colonizer again. This is all about the oil, people. Even Thacther knew that. Do you think it's about the sheep there?

Zoran

pre 14 godina

If you honestly believe that the UK’s economy is in a worse shape than Greece’s then you obviously have been fed with lies from Greek commies, insincere trade unions or probably a member of one of those hypocritical and extremist organisations.
(adrian kola, 25 February 2010 18:37)
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You forgot to mention the Telegraph. Check http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/financetopics/financialcrisis/7266097/Britain-at-risk-of-worse-deficit-crisis-than-Greece.html

adrian kola

pre 14 godina

to 'The Greek'

Oh and one more last thing. I think Greece is the last country on earth to point out another country's economic woes... please!! Your deficit has reached the monn and back and only the Brits and Germans can save your delapidated tourism industry and olive oil farms (what else does Greece produce again???. As a Greek you should at least know this!

svojgazda

pre 14 godina

Adrian, if Greece is so economically pathetic, why did so many Albanians flock there to work? Why didn't they go to this financial Disneyland called the UK? As always, any topic, in this case the Falkland Islands, becomes an argument about Kosovo, i.e., who recognized and who didn't.

svojgazda

pre 14 godina

I really don't think the Argentine's care much about what the Albanians think on this matter. But, I do see that they (Albanians) are bitter towards this So. American nation because they respect international law, and did not recognize an independent Albanian Kosovo. For people like them (Albanians), everything revolves around their UDI in the Balkans. FYI, the oil fields in dispute are in international waters, not in Britain's waters. Take a look at a world map, and tell me what the British are doing there anyway. Does colonization and exploitation come to mind?

winston

pre 14 godina

Many Albanians here present things the way they would like them to be, as opposed to the way they actually are. Your handlers (US/UK/EU) are sliding into a deeper abyss by the day, what will be of the UDI once you have no support?

Aleks

pre 14 godina

It is quite amusing reading the hypocritcal comments of the brits who squeal international law when it comes to the Falkland Islands but side with the theft and division of another country that is completely against numerous Helsinki Accords and thus totally against international law. But then again, that is the nature of power - to serves their own foreign policy ends.

Personally I don't think the Falklands belong to the Argentinians because it is not their population and well outside their exclusive economic zone and influence, though this is not really the issue. The Argentians want a piece of the oil pie if there is one and this is a means of strengthening their negotiating position.

Why then should the Serbian government not recognize Argentina's sovereignty over the Falklands and just say that it is 'Not a precedent' then?

The Brits should have no problem with that but we all know that they would take reprisals against Serbia in one way or another. Its not a precedent! Butter isn't made from cows milk! The earth isn't round!

BTW, I don't know if anyone was paying attention but Mexico and the rest of LatAm are forming a regional grouping excluding North America and Canada. Whilst it is still far from a LatAm version of the EU (considering the fate of MERCUSOR), it certainly expresses a rejection of north american interference in influence in the region. The developing world continues to rise and and challenge the first world (remember the Doha round of talks on globalization?) and holds no legacy of respect for it either, though that is hardly a surprise considering how the current economic crisis was created.

adrian kola

pre 14 godina

@ Greek
If you honestly believe that the UK’s economy is in a worse shape than Greece’s then you obviously have been fed with lies from Greek commies, insincere trade unions or probably a member of one of those hypocritical and extremist organisations. Mate you need to understand the basics of supply and demand which is the backbone of the capitalist system. Britain does. Britian has oil, Britain has a sound services industry, Britain has a sound manufacturing industry and most importantly Britain controls its own monitory policy because it’s not a member of the ECB. Greece on the other hand borrows more than it can pay back and worse, it doesn’t produce anything at all (at least nothing meaningful), has a massive unemployment rate, and all analysts don’t see any meaningful recovery for Greece for at least another 10 years. Ultimately Greece doesn’t fulfil any of the Maastricht Treat’s clauses for a common monitory policy. In effect, Greece is relegated on the same country list as Croatia, Romania, Bulgaria, Cyprus and Portugal.
I’m annoyed that B92 hasn’t published my original piece to your first comment!

ZMAJ

pre 14 godina

"It is quite amusing reading the hypocritcal comments of the brits who squeal international law when it comes to the Falkland Islands but side with the theft and division of another country that is completely against numerous Helsinki Accords and thus totally against international law. But then again, that is the nature of power - to serves their own foreign policy ends..."
(Aleks, 25 February 2010 23:57)

The nature of your power is very well known, that's why you have that power lesser and lesser- every day!

OTHERS are ruling the future, are you blind??

ben

pre 14 godina

There are about 60bn barrels of oil there so Argentina says let me make some noise there and perhaps I can renegotiate better terms; perhaps I can get 10-20bn from the 60...

guru

pre 14 godina

"Faukland islands sooner or later will be returned to their rightful owners. Argentinians these are. The time of "colonial imperialsim" has finished in the beggining of the 20th century."
(The Greek, 25 February 2010 14:08)

To The Greek and others who mention colonial stuff. What do you people think Argentinians themselves are? They are colonialists themselves, descendants of colonialists. They speak Spanish in case you did not know. The name Argentina itself has a meaning in Spanish. So, in reality, you are supporting one colonizer over another. Only the British found nobody there, when they went there.

DAVE(uk)

pre 14 godina

4) Britain is just a middle country without the assistance of the USA. If the americans hadn't helped UK drastically in the Falklands war in 1982, today Falklands would simply belong to Argentina. And nowdays they made it clear that they are not going to support you... so if Argentina decides to take them back, they will just do so...

Greek why are you so anti British? Right the USA was split on who to support, the US feared the soviet influence in South America and wanted to give some support to thee Argies, another thing they have a large LAtino population who were against helping Britian. Caspar Weinberger
on the other hand was very pro british and wanted to support the UK he thought the US should help another NATO country. Publically the US was neutral however some supplies were sold to the UK, lets not forget the Argentine forces had also been supplied with US and French arms.

To all those talking about Empire days, look Britian does not harp on about Empire days the Labour goverment constanly apologises for it. There are greater things at stake if we give up the Falklands, Spain will want Gibraltar back.

Back to the Falklands the Island was occupied by the British, French,Spanish and the united provinces of the river plate in 1764. From 1964 to 1833 there were disputes over the island some included the US and the united provinces (Argentina) having a naval battle this was due to the Argies taking US ships. In 1833 the British sent a task force and gained control of the Falklands. The British asked the Argies to leave which they did without firing a shot. The Falklands has never been under complete Argentine control and never will, lastely the Falkland goverment is indepenent to Britians goverment and it is the people of the Falklands who wish to be part of Britian although they have the right of self determination.

Britian will defend the Falklands with or without US help and if need be withdraw fron Afganistan, just remember American posters it was the UK who fully backed you in your hour of need after 9/11, its the UK who went to war with you in Iraq and still supports the war on terror.

Greek you are totally misguided if you think any of the South American armed foreces are capable of Beating the British armed forces.

Mirub Jager

pre 14 godina

Because of high inflation and recession the Argentina economy is suffering. Together with that Ms Kirshner's popularity. In addition, the Kirchner's sudden fortune accumulated during their reign raised eyebrows among constituents. The only card left on her deck is the nationalist card. Argentinites know well that UK has been doing oil digging research in and around the islands for years now. They also realized (after the war) that people living on the islands fought on the British side. Besides, Argentina considered the British their defenders from Portugal, French, and Spanish influence during the ages.

I strongly believe that the whole situation is overblown at Ms. Kirshner's request to institute and stir national feelings to forgo and forget the economic crisis before it becomes her "legacy."

Arigo

pre 14 godina

I feel sorry for this British guys on forum. You can not exploit other nations and their territories. Just look around, every trouble spot in the world was created by British. Afghanistan, Pakistan, Palestine, Iraq, Iran, just name it.

Poor old British, they can not get in their heads that they are not imperial power any more. They like to apply double standards whenever it suits them. It is year 2010, wake up!

ZMAJ

pre 14 godina

Greek why are you so anti British?
(DAVE(uk), 27 February 2010 23:49)

IT'S EASY!!


Because Greeks knows appreciate life and human values, they have style, warm blood.., and cuisine.

WHAT ABOUT MARBLES?!!

Is there a country you didn't commit criminal act??

ZMAJ

pre 14 godina

Britian will defend the Falklands with or without US help and if need be withdraw fron Afganistan, just remember American posters it was the UK who fully backed you in your hour of need after 9/11, its the UK who went to war with you in Iraq and still supports the war on terror.
(DAVE(uk), 27 February 2010 23:49)

This is the most stupid thing someone can say and achieve something in today's world. And you're ready to say this to the Chinese Empire- I believe! Aren't you?

Suicidal!!

John

pre 14 godina

The Argentino government really reminds me of the Serbian one. A democratic shape with an aggressive and warmongering agenda under it. No wonder why ties between those countries are so firm. But British souvereignty over Falkland is clear which tells us that Argentinos view of "International Law" is somewhat different. Again, reminds me of Serbia.

Anyway, Falkland Islands are British, just as South Cyprus and Gibraltar. The Albanian people stands firmly on British's side on all that matters.

Cheers!

Ian, UK

pre 14 godina

I think we will keep the Falkland Islands, just like we will keep the Elgin Marbles. Who is going to stop us? The Argentinians? No. The Greeks? No. Russia? No. China? No. Brazil? No. Mexico? No? India? No. The US? No. The UN? No. The UN can't do anything it is weak and powerless. If they want to pass a UNSCR we will veto it. We have already said since the very beginning to the UN that we will refuse to co-operate with the UN regarding Overseas territories. I think there should be a referendum on the Falkland Islands and let the people decide their own future instead of Argentina demanding that we hand them over. There is nothing Argentinian about them.

Yes we might be in more debt, but our economy is in a better state than Greece's. And we are not the ones who are to be sued by the EU unlike Greece. I wonder if the UK had anything to do with that? Once again the UK has the right playing cards.

adrian kola

pre 14 godina

to 'The Greek'

Oh and one more last thing. I think Greece is the last country on earth to point out another country's economic woes... please!! Your deficit has reached the monn and back and only the Brits and Germans can save your delapidated tourism industry and olive oil farms (what else does Greece produce again???. As a Greek you should at least know this!

The Greek

pre 14 godina

Yes, the Albanian people traditionally stand on every occupier's side! Like the are occupiers by themselves in a trully and totally Serbian land (kosovo).

Faukland islands sooner or later will be returned to their rightful owners. Argentinians these are. The time of "colonial imperialsim" has finished in the beggining of the 20th century.

PS: Britain can just worry about their financial trouble as just last week it was anounced that their dept is 12.7% of their GDP(slightly higher than Greece's..)!

lowe

pre 14 godina

"I think we will keep the Falkland Islands, just like we will keep the Elgin Marbles. Who is going to stop us? The Argentinians? No. The Greeks? No. Russia? No. China? No. Brazil? No. Mexico? No? India? No. The US? No. The UN? No. The UN can't do anything it is weak and powerless. If they want to pass a UNSCR we will veto it. We have already said since the very beginning to the UN that we will refuse to co-operate with the UN regarding Overseas territories. I think there should be a referendum on the Falkland Islands and let the people decide their own future instead of Argentina demanding that we hand them over. There is nothing Argentinian about them.

Yes we might be in more debt, but our economy is in a better state than Greece's. And we are not the ones who are to be sued by the EU unlike Greece. I wonder if the UK had anything to do with that? Once again the UK has the right playing cards.
(Ian, UK, 25 February 2010 15:08) "

Yes, Britain has the veto ..... now oicture this ...... suppose Scotland and Wales were to bolt the union ...... and we use the Yugoslavia precedent ..... London not only will lose its UNSC seat, it will probably have to apply for UN membership ..... as an ordinary member .... subjected to the veto whims of Moscow and Beijing .... ouch!

John

pre 14 godina

@ The Greek

You made me laugh, seriously. What occupation? The British "occupation" of penguins? No Argentino (except for those invaders in 1982) set ever foot on this land. The British took control over it more than 200 years ago, when they were completely uninhabited and before Argentina was even created. The people there are 99,9% pure and loyal British citizens. This island never belonged to anyone except for the British. How on Earth Argentina can claim anything under those circumstances?

But I understand the Serbian/Greek reflexes taking side of a British enemy. But this not only confirms that we Albanians stand on right side, but that whole talk about International Law is just a scrap of talk, not serious taken. Argentina's "claim" on Falkland Islands as well as it's stance when it defended Serbia, and the Serbian support for Argentina vice versa, exposes the true nature of you all. Actually, we can be thankful for that, because you destroy the ground on which you claim to stand.

Regarding the Falkland Islands I have no doubt that the British will hold it without any problems. They have the population, the moral right and REAL international law on their side. But in the end, it is the mighty Royal Navy with (ultima ratio) its nuclear deterrent will make sure that no Latin American warmongerer will dare to attack this pure British soil again, and that oil and gas there will make us in the West again a little bit more less dependent, actually and amazingly more than 60 Billion liter oil can be found there. Overall, very good news.

Cheers!

PS: The British still have their own currency with which they can do whatever they want to do. It is their business and I'm sure that they will handle it, because they have an industry, unlike other countries which benefited over decades from European subsidies and lying and stealing into others currencies, costing the European and honest workers more money than a 100 years of Kosovo subsidies could do.

Mike

pre 14 godina

"The Albanian people stands firmly on British's side on all that matters." (John)

-- Yes, provided they continue to support you, right? I mean based on your comment that's somewhere around 35 years out of date, let's not be under any pretense you have any standalone morals on this issue :)

adrian kola

pre 14 godina

@ Greek
If you honestly believe that the UK’s economy is in a worse shape than Greece’s then you obviously have been fed with lies from Greek commies, insincere trade unions or probably a member of one of those hypocritical and extremist organisations. Mate you need to understand the basics of supply and demand which is the backbone of the capitalist system. Britain does. Britian has oil, Britain has a sound services industry, Britain has a sound manufacturing industry and most importantly Britain controls its own monitory policy because it’s not a member of the ECB. Greece on the other hand borrows more than it can pay back and worse, it doesn’t produce anything at all (at least nothing meaningful), has a massive unemployment rate, and all analysts don’t see any meaningful recovery for Greece for at least another 10 years. Ultimately Greece doesn’t fulfil any of the Maastricht Treat’s clauses for a common monitory policy. In effect, Greece is relegated on the same country list as Croatia, Romania, Bulgaria, Cyprus and Portugal.
I’m annoyed that B92 hasn’t published my original piece to your first comment!

The Truth

pre 14 godina

John,
"Whew! for a second there i thought i was going to read that the Falkland Islands belong to the Albanians."
Another Canadian Serb

Actually three billion light years ago the Falkland islands were part of Dardaninininia. And the ancient dardinitian king Krasniqi founded the island. So, yes, it belongs to Albania. The whole world belongs to Albanians, and the moon, Jupiter, Saturn and all the black holes in the universe.

The Greek

pre 14 godina

To Ian, UK:

1) To have an industrial big country like UK, that has never been conquered by anyone to have larger dept than Greece (12.7 < 12.5) just shows how easily depts can actually be done. Your economy is in worse condition (theoretically) than Greece's.

2) You say your economy is in a better condition. Just yesterday the Euro MP's made fun of UK that can actually be the second country (after Greece) that could need bailing out by the EU! (please watch euro news, you might see the commnets and the MP's laughing about Britain..).

3) Nobody is going to sue Greece. You just say so for propaganda purposes or simply "wish" so. Simply because there are countries (like it was recently uncovered for UK and mostly Italy) which have larger depts as a percentage of their's GDP.

4) Britain is just a middle country without the assistance of the USA. If the americans hadn't helped UK drastically in the Falklands war in 1982, today Falklands would simply belong to Argentina. And nowdays they made it clear that they are not going to support you... so if Argentina decides to take them back, they will just do so...

5) And please enjoy the Greek marbles a little more. After all, Greek culture is a gift to those who don't have any by themselves. Even the ones who have stolen some part of it, like the British did.

6) And please don't talk like an Englishman. Just talk like an immigrant there who is even afraid to reveal his true nationality.....

winston

pre 14 godina

Ian, you are clearly Albanian, what is it with the we (British) stuff? The sovereignty of the Falklands is in dispute. Just because the colonizers stamp their foot and say it is their's, does not make it so. Like someone else mentioned, look at a map of the South Atlantic, and explain what the British are doing there. There are 1000 residents living there, the rest are soldiers, and half a million sheep. This is England's attempt to grabs natural resources for its crown. Just like in their historic days of barbarous colonization. It's the 21st century for God's sake, we cannot allow, as a just and free world, anymore "might is right" attitudes from resource sexploiting nations.

winston

pre 14 godina

You are wrong, John. The Argentine's has control of the Falkland's prior to the British exercising de facto sovereignty in 1833. Another case of might is right, in England's glorious history. English settlers were brought to the island for colonization - they obviously didn't swim there. So the issue of sovereignty has been is dispute for some time. Albanians must feel at home, arguing about disputed land grabs, and taking the side of the colonizer again. This is all about the oil, people. Even Thacther knew that. Do you think it's about the sheep there?

Rashan

pre 14 godina

John or Pe-johnny

"The Albanian people stands firmly on British's side on all that matters"

What matters to us is that they are there with you standing in whatever it is you are standing in and not here, so thanks.

ZMAJ

pre 14 godina

Use every floating object and supplies and bring half million people to the island.. Then bring the army to defend- people! You'll move them not from the island but from the hemisphere, also! "English pride" built in the Fokland War... Give us a brake! This is a new page- of the new age! You're past!

svojgazda

pre 14 godina

I really don't think the Argentine's care much about what the Albanians think on this matter. But, I do see that they (Albanians) are bitter towards this So. American nation because they respect international law, and did not recognize an independent Albanian Kosovo. For people like them (Albanians), everything revolves around their UDI in the Balkans. FYI, the oil fields in dispute are in international waters, not in Britain's waters. Take a look at a world map, and tell me what the British are doing there anyway. Does colonization and exploitation come to mind?

winston

pre 14 godina

Many Albanians here present things the way they would like them to be, as opposed to the way they actually are. Your handlers (US/UK/EU) are sliding into a deeper abyss by the day, what will be of the UDI once you have no support?

Zoran

pre 14 godina

Well, it seems obvious the "Empire" is falling and that is the reason the Falklands are back on the agenda. How much longer will people tolerate the declining "might" in the West?

Zoran

pre 14 godina

If you honestly believe that the UK’s economy is in a worse shape than Greece’s then you obviously have been fed with lies from Greek commies, insincere trade unions or probably a member of one of those hypocritical and extremist organisations.
(adrian kola, 25 February 2010 18:37)
--
You forgot to mention the Telegraph. Check http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/financetopics/financialcrisis/7266097/Britain-at-risk-of-worse-deficit-crisis-than-Greece.html

svojgazda

pre 14 godina

Adrian, if Greece is so economically pathetic, why did so many Albanians flock there to work? Why didn't they go to this financial Disneyland called the UK? As always, any topic, in this case the Falkland Islands, becomes an argument about Kosovo, i.e., who recognized and who didn't.

Aleks

pre 14 godina

It is quite amusing reading the hypocritcal comments of the brits who squeal international law when it comes to the Falkland Islands but side with the theft and division of another country that is completely against numerous Helsinki Accords and thus totally against international law. But then again, that is the nature of power - to serves their own foreign policy ends.

Personally I don't think the Falklands belong to the Argentinians because it is not their population and well outside their exclusive economic zone and influence, though this is not really the issue. The Argentians want a piece of the oil pie if there is one and this is a means of strengthening their negotiating position.

Why then should the Serbian government not recognize Argentina's sovereignty over the Falklands and just say that it is 'Not a precedent' then?

The Brits should have no problem with that but we all know that they would take reprisals against Serbia in one way or another. Its not a precedent! Butter isn't made from cows milk! The earth isn't round!

BTW, I don't know if anyone was paying attention but Mexico and the rest of LatAm are forming a regional grouping excluding North America and Canada. Whilst it is still far from a LatAm version of the EU (considering the fate of MERCUSOR), it certainly expresses a rejection of north american interference in influence in the region. The developing world continues to rise and and challenge the first world (remember the Doha round of talks on globalization?) and holds no legacy of respect for it either, though that is hardly a surprise considering how the current economic crisis was created.

ZMAJ

pre 14 godina

"It is quite amusing reading the hypocritcal comments of the brits who squeal international law when it comes to the Falkland Islands but side with the theft and division of another country that is completely against numerous Helsinki Accords and thus totally against international law. But then again, that is the nature of power - to serves their own foreign policy ends..."
(Aleks, 25 February 2010 23:57)

The nature of your power is very well known, that's why you have that power lesser and lesser- every day!

OTHERS are ruling the future, are you blind??

Mirub Jager

pre 14 godina

Because of high inflation and recession the Argentina economy is suffering. Together with that Ms Kirshner's popularity. In addition, the Kirchner's sudden fortune accumulated during their reign raised eyebrows among constituents. The only card left on her deck is the nationalist card. Argentinites know well that UK has been doing oil digging research in and around the islands for years now. They also realized (after the war) that people living on the islands fought on the British side. Besides, Argentina considered the British their defenders from Portugal, French, and Spanish influence during the ages.

I strongly believe that the whole situation is overblown at Ms. Kirshner's request to institute and stir national feelings to forgo and forget the economic crisis before it becomes her "legacy."

ben

pre 14 godina

There are about 60bn barrels of oil there so Argentina says let me make some noise there and perhaps I can renegotiate better terms; perhaps I can get 10-20bn from the 60...

guru

pre 14 godina

"Faukland islands sooner or later will be returned to their rightful owners. Argentinians these are. The time of "colonial imperialsim" has finished in the beggining of the 20th century."
(The Greek, 25 February 2010 14:08)

To The Greek and others who mention colonial stuff. What do you people think Argentinians themselves are? They are colonialists themselves, descendants of colonialists. They speak Spanish in case you did not know. The name Argentina itself has a meaning in Spanish. So, in reality, you are supporting one colonizer over another. Only the British found nobody there, when they went there.

Arigo

pre 14 godina

I feel sorry for this British guys on forum. You can not exploit other nations and their territories. Just look around, every trouble spot in the world was created by British. Afghanistan, Pakistan, Palestine, Iraq, Iran, just name it.

Poor old British, they can not get in their heads that they are not imperial power any more. They like to apply double standards whenever it suits them. It is year 2010, wake up!

DAVE(uk)

pre 14 godina

4) Britain is just a middle country without the assistance of the USA. If the americans hadn't helped UK drastically in the Falklands war in 1982, today Falklands would simply belong to Argentina. And nowdays they made it clear that they are not going to support you... so if Argentina decides to take them back, they will just do so...

Greek why are you so anti British? Right the USA was split on who to support, the US feared the soviet influence in South America and wanted to give some support to thee Argies, another thing they have a large LAtino population who were against helping Britian. Caspar Weinberger
on the other hand was very pro british and wanted to support the UK he thought the US should help another NATO country. Publically the US was neutral however some supplies were sold to the UK, lets not forget the Argentine forces had also been supplied with US and French arms.

To all those talking about Empire days, look Britian does not harp on about Empire days the Labour goverment constanly apologises for it. There are greater things at stake if we give up the Falklands, Spain will want Gibraltar back.

Back to the Falklands the Island was occupied by the British, French,Spanish and the united provinces of the river plate in 1764. From 1964 to 1833 there were disputes over the island some included the US and the united provinces (Argentina) having a naval battle this was due to the Argies taking US ships. In 1833 the British sent a task force and gained control of the Falklands. The British asked the Argies to leave which they did without firing a shot. The Falklands has never been under complete Argentine control and never will, lastely the Falkland goverment is indepenent to Britians goverment and it is the people of the Falklands who wish to be part of Britian although they have the right of self determination.

Britian will defend the Falklands with or without US help and if need be withdraw fron Afganistan, just remember American posters it was the UK who fully backed you in your hour of need after 9/11, its the UK who went to war with you in Iraq and still supports the war on terror.

Greek you are totally misguided if you think any of the South American armed foreces are capable of Beating the British armed forces.

ZMAJ

pre 14 godina

Greek why are you so anti British?
(DAVE(uk), 27 February 2010 23:49)

IT'S EASY!!


Because Greeks knows appreciate life and human values, they have style, warm blood.., and cuisine.

WHAT ABOUT MARBLES?!!

Is there a country you didn't commit criminal act??

ZMAJ

pre 14 godina

Britian will defend the Falklands with or without US help and if need be withdraw fron Afganistan, just remember American posters it was the UK who fully backed you in your hour of need after 9/11, its the UK who went to war with you in Iraq and still supports the war on terror.
(DAVE(uk), 27 February 2010 23:49)

This is the most stupid thing someone can say and achieve something in today's world. And you're ready to say this to the Chinese Empire- I believe! Aren't you?

Suicidal!!