"You can deny the national aspiration of a people to unite for decades and even centuries but in the end the people's will will win out."
(Zoti)
-- Well you see it's not really living in denial, nor is it laughing at the "will of the people" or whatever you want to call it. It's basically looking at history and realizing that other attempts at creating a Greater "X" have all failed.
And if the international community has halted attempts at establishing Greater Bulgaria, Greater Greece, Greater Germany, Greater Croatia, and Greater Serbia, what gives you any idea the civilized world has even the slightest intention of allowing a Greater Albania?
"And if Albanians treat Serbs like they did in 2004?"
(mathew)
I believe that March 2004 should have not happened and I condemn it with my whole mind and heart, but, from 17 people killed during these violent protest 11 were Albanians, 5 unidentified and 1 roma, 1 Serb. Thus, you can't compare the issues.
"Mirub, just out of curiosity, what do you think the death toll in Kosovo was BEFORE the NATO bombing?"
(mathew)
If you're implying that most of the Albanians were killed by NATO; you must be calling the milk "Mleko".
"Actually we don’t really see a difference between Serbs, Montenegrins, Bosnian-Serbs etc. You’re the one making statements like we were all different. That’s what’s so comical."
(Matthew, 25 February 2010 17:56)
Mathew, I was merely agreeing with you and arguing with Another Canadian Serb who said:
"Mirub,
...now i clearly see that you don't know that Milosevic and Karadzic are truly ethnic Montenegrins and are not Serbs.
Tell me Mirub, why is Serbia being held ransom for Montenegrin citizens so called wrong doings...
In addition, i want you to know the Mladic is Bosnian." [look for the posting below] and this is truly "comical."
You asked;
"Is one Albanian life really worth 500 or 1,000 African lives to you?"
If that notion is rooted in your mind than it is your prorogative. I never looked at it that way nor I ever will. Trust me you picked a wrong straw.
Mirub,
"All North Amercians know the meaning of "timbuctoo".
Google it!"
I did and realized you meant TIMBUKTU. One true North American that you are.
"Secondly, i have been to Kosovo and all of Serbia numerous times."
When was your last time in Kosovo is the key question. 10 years ago, thus you don't know reality on the ground. Talk about an astronaut!?
"Lastly, what kind of Western Court takes 6 years to try and unsuccessfully convict Milosevic and Seselj."
A court that extends the opportunity to defend yourself until proven otherwise. Unlike the Iraqi kind of court which executes people without due process.
"Wasn't Saddam's trial only 282 days and then he was executed."
According to your principles Seselj should be executed since he passed the 282 days (your) deadline.
"It doesn't take a rocket scientist to conclude that Milosevic and Seselj are innocent"
Sam, I AM WRITING TO YOU IN AMERICAN – DO YOU UNDERSTAND?
Nice article, being Montenegrin myself with a Bosnian Serb wife, I’ll have no end to the fun of letting her know that what she’s speaking is actually Montenegrin and NOT Serb since she says “mlijeko” and not mleko.
Milo belongs in the waste bin of history. Njegos he aint!
“If Montenegro treats Albanians there as Serbia did in Kosovo, by all means they deserve protection and 'divorce’ (Mirub Jager, 24 February 2010 16:32)”
And if Albanians treat Serbs like they did in 2004 or Croatians treat Serbs like they did in 1995 or 1941?
Oh yeah, one rule for those who are Orthodox and another for everyone else eh Mirub?
Mirub, just out of curiosity, what do you think the death toll in Kosovo was BEFORE the NATO bombing?
Also, do you think its morally right for NATO to completely ignore the Genocide of Millions in Africa at the exact same time they are mobilizing for war in Kosovo over the deaths of just 2,000 people, mostly guerilla fighters?
Is one Albanian life really worth 500 or 1,000 African lives to you?
“According to your "principles" once these "backboned Serbs" get dis-credited then they will be Bosnians, too. (Mirub Jager, 25 February 2010 16:30)”
Actually we don’t really see a difference between Serbs, Montenegrins, Bosnian-Serbs etc. You’re the one making statements like we were all different. That’s what’s so comical.
Timbucto? Is that a Serb territory?
As if a Canadian would know more about Balkans.
All I'm saying is that your "sudden non-serb" former leaders were applauded on their campaigns as true Serbs, just as you consider Dodic and some others consider Tadic. According to your "principles" once these "backboned Serbs" get dis-credited then they will be Bosnians, too.
Additionaly, Mr. Seselj is another Serb who is next to be revealed that actually is from your place called "timbucto".
You may inform us in Europe about Winter Olympics some inside info that we are not aware but on Balkans, Europa's doorstep, please...
Serbia, Russia any many other countries are offering all kind of financial rewards to women to have children.Albanians do it for free because we love children.It is part of our culture.
(jesse, 25 February 2010 02:52)
or it could be the lack of sexual education and the unavailability of contraceptives... but no, you're probably right. who wouldn't want to bring as many children as possible into the world, especially if they live in kosovo!
If you can't extend your Lebensraum to Gracanica, how are you going to reach Ioannina?
(Mike, 24 February 2010)
It's very amusing seeing the Serbs take cheap shots at PRN's strategy. I can see the nervousness.
If you asked thess same Serbs ten years if Kosova would ever become independent they'd bet their last dollar that it wouldn't yet today there's a different reality.
I'm not saying Janina will ever become Albanian again but half of Macedonia is definitely within the realm of possibility. I'll take 3 of the 4 Albanian vilayets in a "new Albania" any day.
You guys are looking at the short term but we're thinking long-term. We got screwed once by the Ottomans and the Europeans, we are not going to repeat the same mistake again.
You can deny the national aspiration of a people to unite for decades and even centuries but in the end the people's will will win out.
Mikael,
Albanians women sacrifice a lot to raise their children to be proud and hard working citizens not drug dealers.If you read the Serbian newspapers you would know by now that Serbia is infested by Mega drug cartels that import tons of narcotics from South America and sell it in EU. This same Serbian drug lords according to your media have penetrated you government officials in every level.Serbia, Russia any many other countries are offering all kind of financial rewards to women to have children.Albanians do it for free because we love children.It is part of our culture.
Mirub,
ar first i thought you were messing around. But now i clearly see that you don't know that Milosevic and Karadzic are truly ethnic Montenegrins and are not Serbs.
Tell me Mirub, why is Serbia being held ransom for Montenegrin citizens so called wrong doings. Why was Montenegro allowed to separate from Yugoslavia.
In addition, i want you to know the Mladic is Bosnian. Have you ever hear of Bosnia and Hercegovina.
I don't know what can of international organization you represent in Serbia, but you better start to google some ex Yugoslavian history.
You are always in such a hurry to berate Serbs. Clearly you are not qualified to make a just statement about anything in the Balkans.
You must be blogging from timbucto and not Serbia's province of Kosovo.
RE: Djukanovic denial of the founding nations of Serbia and Montenegro.
Djukanovic statement is a denial of the founding nations of Raska and Gora, Serbia and Montenegro, Kosovo and Metohija. Part of Metohija still exists in the current border of Montenegro. The Denial of Methohija is a denial of the nationality of Serbs and Montenegrins.
Are not Karadzic and Milosevic of Montenegrin ethnicity.
Your knowledge of the balkans is quite astounding.
I am assuming your're not compensated for your historical accuracy, now are you?
(Another Canadian Serb, 24 February 2010 19:13)
This is what your president Tadic sais today:
"values will be very important in the total transformation of our society into a civil society, and a condemnation of one horrible crime that became a symbol to the world for casualties in the war of the 1990s, and will be a distancing from the crime which was claimed to be done in the name of the Serb people."
I'm sure you are gonna say Tadic is Bosnian, Saric is Montenegrin, Karadzic ...
The most modern starfleet of the known universe is at your disposal.
[link]
(Ataman, 24 February 2010 15:10)
Cracking..... today Mike and yourself really deserves the top marks, can't stop laughing. Did you by chance got that stuff that drives the prn, k-usa and co?
Nevertheless, at the end only Mikael C is right, soon the albanians will represent 125% of the world population, so we better be carefull and get on the safe space ship....
very busy agenda you have there PRN. Little bit unrealistic if you ask me, because no Albanian political force that counts, from anywhere in the Balkans where Albanians live, supports that agenda as far as I know.
I have to copy and paste this to emphasize my argument made below:
“This step up in values [Srebrenica Resolution] will be very important in the total transformation of our society into a civil society, and a condemnation of one horrible crime that became a symbol to the world for casualties in the war of the 1990s, and will be a distancing from the crime which was claimed to be done in the name of the Serb people. Serbia is improving its image and regional credibility with this act,” Tadić said.
Responses such as Tadic does not represent Serbs are not valid for he is your elected President and a very good choice may I add.
"BTW, 52% of Macedonia and Janina region is also on the agenda (the latter region being delayed for a decade or see, until we join the EU)"
(PRN)
-- Haha, slow down there Adolf. Try to work with something simple like, oh I don't know, maintaing a steady flow of electricity for 24 hours and indoor plumbing to everyone. If you can't extend your Lebensraum to Gracanica, how are you going to reach Ioannina?
Ahhh, how sweet! Thank you Dukanovic for being a true friend of Serbia. With friends like you mr. Dukanovic Serbia doesn't need enemies. Hopefully Serbia can show Montenegro that it also considers you a true friend by recognizing the corner of Montenegro inhabited by albanians as independent.
(Mikael C, 24 February 2010 10:10)
If Montenegro treats Albanians there as Serbia did in Kosovo, by all means they deserve protection and 'divorce'. Then Serbia would have a chance to get even with Montenegro by recognizing the new entity as sovereign entity, but the Montenegrins are not that dumb to treat their own citizens in that manner.
By recognizing Kosovo his drug trade kartel had open door on all borders with Kosovo and albania.
Well that did not stop Serbia cutting on that suply for too long.
He and his croonies have to do some honest work from now on.
well then the 45% Serbs in montenegro want to split and join serbia so that's a lost cause for you because in the areas where there is a Serbian majority is 70-100% Serb population, so let the votes Begin and you could be president of little over half of montenegro until the albanians ay they want to join albania.
BTW, 52% of Macedonia and Janina region is also on the agenda
(PRN, 24 February 2010 11:10)
I agree - but why not go further and rename "Alabama" to "Alabamia"?
The rest 49 States + Russia is only a matter of time, too. Just add one head to American Eagle... and Russian one is two-headed so it sounds an even easier task. Don't stop till Andromeda is not yours again: it's name begins with "A", a reason well-justified to send there an invasion army. The most modern starfleet of the known universe is at your disposal.
Djukanovic is the modern day Vuk Brankovic. If you look at the posts here and see how much albanians love this cigarette smuggler, that tells you everything about what type of character this is.
Yeah Djukanovic is a great friend to Serbia. He even changed Montenegro's language from Serbian to the 'Montenegran language'. This being despite the fact that when the BBC asked a woman promoting the Montenegran language to find a word different in Montenegran to Serbian it took her about 5 minutes to do so. How petty can you get? There might as well be an Australian and American language as well.
PRN, did you miss Halimi saying about a week ago that Presevo Albanians do not want to leave Serbia? And why would they? We all know visa-free travel to western Europe is a far bigger prize for you Albanians than freedom ever will be.
PRN - The Eu talks a lot about integrating the Balkans, but they also talk a lot about integrating Turkey, but when push comes to shove they deny Turkey EU membership. Any Albanian "state", i.e. Abania, "Kosova" + any future pseudo albo states will similarly be denied EU membership for two reasons. 1) you're muslims and the EU is a Christian club. There is no way that the Vatican will allow you in. 2) you're unreliable. If by some miracle al qaedo tomorrow becames the worlds only superpower you'dbe like lapdogs beging to join them. that's the nature of albanian politics - opportunistic and devious.
no albanian state/peoples are EVER going to join Europe along wih BiH and Turkey. they'll throw you scraps, but never allow you in. NATO ally - yes, EU inclusion - NO. you're good as cannon fodder but nothing else.
"BTW, 52% of Macedonia and Janina region is also on the agenda (the latter region being delayed for a decade or see, until we join the EU)"
PRN
Actually I think that 125% of Macedonias territory belongs to albanians. The way albanian women are giving birth I wouldn't be surprised if you ask for the entire contingent of Europe and North Africa to belong to the new Albanian empire. What a joy to be part of a greter Albania. Albania today is poor and undeveloped. In the future half of Serbia, Montenegro and Macedonia will be as poor and undeveloped as Albania. Sounds like a disease spreading. Gee, I can't wait for herds of albanian to steal more territory that never belonged to them. Perhaps albanians should creat a better future for themselves rather than letting their mothers give birth to a whole kindergarten. Then again poor and uneducated people always had many children to work the fields and sell drugs.
BTW, 52% of Macedonia and Janina region is also on the agenda (the latter region being delayed for a decade or see, until we join the EU)
(PRN, 24 February 2010 11:10)
Geees, what a scary mentality..
As to Djukanovic, crimes in Montenegro, no kidding, are you going to put yourself behind bars? Already forgot what the Italian justice minister said yesterday?
I think Djukanovuc us really wise and pragmatic, who does NOT allow neighbours to live under illusions.
Mikael C said:
Hopefully Serbia can show Montenegro that it also considers you a true friend by recognizing the corner of Montenegro inhabited by albanians as independent.
(Mikael C, 24 February 2010 10:10)
Dear Mikael C,
Thank you for the concern of Albanians in MNG. However, we have not finished the job with Serbia YET, since Presevo valley and Nis ARE NOT YET, under Albanian control, but slowly we are getting there. Be patient...the MNG part of Albania is also high on the agenda, and in the meantime we want to thank that you are ready to recognise that part (which is obviously part and parcel of ALBANIA) just as the other parts mentioned above.
BTW, 52% of Macedonia and Janina region is also on the agenda (the latter region being delayed for a decade or see, until we join the EU)
LOL, I think soon someone will show him true LOVE.
I think the name Djukanovic will soon be the common expression for a true traitor all over Balkans..
This is an act by Đukanović and not by the will of Montenegro's citizens. He is one of the last remaining Milosević era "politicians". They also exist in "Kosova" and the Bosnian Federation. Once they are removed we have an opportunity to move forward.
The most promising steps towards reconciliation are in the hands of Serbia and Croatia. Lets hope they are successful and kickstart the process for the whole region.
Hopefully Serbia can show Montenegro that it also considers you a true friend by recognizing the corner of Montenegro inhabited by albanians as independent.
(Mikael C, 24 February 2010, 10:10)
========================
I hear you and it would be sweet to return the favour but having Albanians take more of Serbian land is unacceptable. If it was anyone else I would say do it tomorrow.
Djukanovic is only there temporarily. Once he and Tadic are gone it will be so different.
“In some places they think, 'we have a problem with war criminals, but Montenegro has problems with crimes,”
Right on the spot.
The Serbian negations approach to her own problems is known. We are dirty but lets through some mud on others as well. Just see the declarations of their leaders: they never refrain from qualifying others. It's like someone really cares about their judgment but they still do judge even that everyone knows that they are deeply biased and are for calming their own dirty conscious.
Pathetic.
One day you will have to grow up and face your crimes and ask yourselves what did I do to stop them? Denying that they exists is not an healthy exercise.
Ahhh, how sweet! Thank you Dukanovic for being a true friend of Serbia. With friends like you mr. Dukanovic Serbia doesn't need enemies. Hopefully Serbia can show Montenegro that it also considers you a true friend by recognizing the corner of Montenegro inhabited by albanians as independent.
Ahhh, how sweet! Thank you Dukanovic for being a true friend of Serbia. With friends like you mr. Dukanovic Serbia doesn't need enemies. Hopefully Serbia can show Montenegro that it also considers you a true friend by recognizing the corner of Montenegro inhabited by albanians as independent.
Hopefully Serbia can show Montenegro that it also considers you a true friend by recognizing the corner of Montenegro inhabited by albanians as independent.
(Mikael C, 24 February 2010, 10:10)
========================
I hear you and it would be sweet to return the favour but having Albanians take more of Serbian land is unacceptable. If it was anyone else I would say do it tomorrow.
Djukanovic is only there temporarily. Once he and Tadic are gone it will be so different.
LOL, I think soon someone will show him true LOVE.
I think the name Djukanovic will soon be the common expression for a true traitor all over Balkans..
BTW, 52% of Macedonia and Janina region is also on the agenda (the latter region being delayed for a decade or see, until we join the EU)
(PRN, 24 February 2010 11:10)
Geees, what a scary mentality..
As to Djukanovic, crimes in Montenegro, no kidding, are you going to put yourself behind bars? Already forgot what the Italian justice minister said yesterday?
"BTW, 52% of Macedonia and Janina region is also on the agenda (the latter region being delayed for a decade or see, until we join the EU)"
PRN
Actually I think that 125% of Macedonias territory belongs to albanians. The way albanian women are giving birth I wouldn't be surprised if you ask for the entire contingent of Europe and North Africa to belong to the new Albanian empire. What a joy to be part of a greter Albania. Albania today is poor and undeveloped. In the future half of Serbia, Montenegro and Macedonia will be as poor and undeveloped as Albania. Sounds like a disease spreading. Gee, I can't wait for herds of albanian to steal more territory that never belonged to them. Perhaps albanians should creat a better future for themselves rather than letting their mothers give birth to a whole kindergarten. Then again poor and uneducated people always had many children to work the fields and sell drugs.
Yeah Djukanovic is a great friend to Serbia. He even changed Montenegro's language from Serbian to the 'Montenegran language'. This being despite the fact that when the BBC asked a woman promoting the Montenegran language to find a word different in Montenegran to Serbian it took her about 5 minutes to do so. How petty can you get? There might as well be an Australian and American language as well.
"BTW, 52% of Macedonia and Janina region is also on the agenda (the latter region being delayed for a decade or see, until we join the EU)"
(PRN)
-- Haha, slow down there Adolf. Try to work with something simple like, oh I don't know, maintaing a steady flow of electricity for 24 hours and indoor plumbing to everyone. If you can't extend your Lebensraum to Gracanica, how are you going to reach Ioannina?
Djukanovic is the modern day Vuk Brankovic. If you look at the posts here and see how much albanians love this cigarette smuggler, that tells you everything about what type of character this is.
BTW, 52% of Macedonia and Janina region is also on the agenda
(PRN, 24 February 2010 11:10)
I agree - but why not go further and rename "Alabama" to "Alabamia"?
The rest 49 States + Russia is only a matter of time, too. Just add one head to American Eagle... and Russian one is two-headed so it sounds an even easier task. Don't stop till Andromeda is not yours again: it's name begins with "A", a reason well-justified to send there an invasion army. The most modern starfleet of the known universe is at your disposal.
This is an act by Đukanović and not by the will of Montenegro's citizens. He is one of the last remaining Milosević era "politicians". They also exist in "Kosova" and the Bosnian Federation. Once they are removed we have an opportunity to move forward.
The most promising steps towards reconciliation are in the hands of Serbia and Croatia. Lets hope they are successful and kickstart the process for the whole region.
PRN, did you miss Halimi saying about a week ago that Presevo Albanians do not want to leave Serbia? And why would they? We all know visa-free travel to western Europe is a far bigger prize for you Albanians than freedom ever will be.
I think Djukanovuc us really wise and pragmatic, who does NOT allow neighbours to live under illusions.
Mikael C said:
Hopefully Serbia can show Montenegro that it also considers you a true friend by recognizing the corner of Montenegro inhabited by albanians as independent.
(Mikael C, 24 February 2010 10:10)
Dear Mikael C,
Thank you for the concern of Albanians in MNG. However, we have not finished the job with Serbia YET, since Presevo valley and Nis ARE NOT YET, under Albanian control, but slowly we are getting there. Be patient...the MNG part of Albania is also high on the agenda, and in the meantime we want to thank that you are ready to recognise that part (which is obviously part and parcel of ALBANIA) just as the other parts mentioned above.
BTW, 52% of Macedonia and Janina region is also on the agenda (the latter region being delayed for a decade or see, until we join the EU)
well then the 45% Serbs in montenegro want to split and join serbia so that's a lost cause for you because in the areas where there is a Serbian majority is 70-100% Serb population, so let the votes Begin and you could be president of little over half of montenegro until the albanians ay they want to join albania.
Ahhh, how sweet! Thank you Dukanovic for being a true friend of Serbia. With friends like you mr. Dukanovic Serbia doesn't need enemies. Hopefully Serbia can show Montenegro that it also considers you a true friend by recognizing the corner of Montenegro inhabited by albanians as independent.
(Mikael C, 24 February 2010 10:10)
If Montenegro treats Albanians there as Serbia did in Kosovo, by all means they deserve protection and 'divorce'. Then Serbia would have a chance to get even with Montenegro by recognizing the new entity as sovereign entity, but the Montenegrins are not that dumb to treat their own citizens in that manner.
The most modern starfleet of the known universe is at your disposal.
[link]
(Ataman, 24 February 2010 15:10)
Cracking..... today Mike and yourself really deserves the top marks, can't stop laughing. Did you by chance got that stuff that drives the prn, k-usa and co?
Nevertheless, at the end only Mikael C is right, soon the albanians will represent 125% of the world population, so we better be carefull and get on the safe space ship....
RE: Djukanovic denial of the founding nations of Serbia and Montenegro.
Djukanovic statement is a denial of the founding nations of Raska and Gora, Serbia and Montenegro, Kosovo and Metohija. Part of Metohija still exists in the current border of Montenegro. The Denial of Methohija is a denial of the nationality of Serbs and Montenegrins.
PRN - The Eu talks a lot about integrating the Balkans, but they also talk a lot about integrating Turkey, but when push comes to shove they deny Turkey EU membership. Any Albanian "state", i.e. Abania, "Kosova" + any future pseudo albo states will similarly be denied EU membership for two reasons. 1) you're muslims and the EU is a Christian club. There is no way that the Vatican will allow you in. 2) you're unreliable. If by some miracle al qaedo tomorrow becames the worlds only superpower you'dbe like lapdogs beging to join them. that's the nature of albanian politics - opportunistic and devious.
no albanian state/peoples are EVER going to join Europe along wih BiH and Turkey. they'll throw you scraps, but never allow you in. NATO ally - yes, EU inclusion - NO. you're good as cannon fodder but nothing else.
very busy agenda you have there PRN. Little bit unrealistic if you ask me, because no Albanian political force that counts, from anywhere in the Balkans where Albanians live, supports that agenda as far as I know.
“In some places they think, 'we have a problem with war criminals, but Montenegro has problems with crimes,”
Right on the spot.
The Serbian negations approach to her own problems is known. We are dirty but lets through some mud on others as well. Just see the declarations of their leaders: they never refrain from qualifying others. It's like someone really cares about their judgment but they still do judge even that everyone knows that they are deeply biased and are for calming their own dirty conscious.
Pathetic.
One day you will have to grow up and face your crimes and ask yourselves what did I do to stop them? Denying that they exists is not an healthy exercise.
By recognizing Kosovo his drug trade kartel had open door on all borders with Kosovo and albania.
Well that did not stop Serbia cutting on that suply for too long.
He and his croonies have to do some honest work from now on.
Are not Karadzic and Milosevic of Montenegrin ethnicity.
Your knowledge of the balkans is quite astounding.
I am assuming your're not compensated for your historical accuracy, now are you?
(Another Canadian Serb, 24 February 2010 19:13)
This is what your president Tadic sais today:
"values will be very important in the total transformation of our society into a civil society, and a condemnation of one horrible crime that became a symbol to the world for casualties in the war of the 1990s, and will be a distancing from the crime which was claimed to be done in the name of the Serb people."
I'm sure you are gonna say Tadic is Bosnian, Saric is Montenegrin, Karadzic ...
Serbia, Russia any many other countries are offering all kind of financial rewards to women to have children.Albanians do it for free because we love children.It is part of our culture.
(jesse, 25 February 2010 02:52)
or it could be the lack of sexual education and the unavailability of contraceptives... but no, you're probably right. who wouldn't want to bring as many children as possible into the world, especially if they live in kosovo!
Mirub,
ar first i thought you were messing around. But now i clearly see that you don't know that Milosevic and Karadzic are truly ethnic Montenegrins and are not Serbs.
Tell me Mirub, why is Serbia being held ransom for Montenegrin citizens so called wrong doings. Why was Montenegro allowed to separate from Yugoslavia.
In addition, i want you to know the Mladic is Bosnian. Have you ever hear of Bosnia and Hercegovina.
I don't know what can of international organization you represent in Serbia, but you better start to google some ex Yugoslavian history.
You are always in such a hurry to berate Serbs. Clearly you are not qualified to make a just statement about anything in the Balkans.
You must be blogging from timbucto and not Serbia's province of Kosovo.
Sam, I AM WRITING TO YOU IN AMERICAN – DO YOU UNDERSTAND?
Nice article, being Montenegrin myself with a Bosnian Serb wife, I’ll have no end to the fun of letting her know that what she’s speaking is actually Montenegrin and NOT Serb since she says “mlijeko” and not mleko.
Milo belongs in the waste bin of history. Njegos he aint!
“If Montenegro treats Albanians there as Serbia did in Kosovo, by all means they deserve protection and 'divorce’ (Mirub Jager, 24 February 2010 16:32)”
And if Albanians treat Serbs like they did in 2004 or Croatians treat Serbs like they did in 1995 or 1941?
Oh yeah, one rule for those who are Orthodox and another for everyone else eh Mirub?
Mirub, just out of curiosity, what do you think the death toll in Kosovo was BEFORE the NATO bombing?
Also, do you think its morally right for NATO to completely ignore the Genocide of Millions in Africa at the exact same time they are mobilizing for war in Kosovo over the deaths of just 2,000 people, mostly guerilla fighters?
Is one Albanian life really worth 500 or 1,000 African lives to you?
“According to your "principles" once these "backboned Serbs" get dis-credited then they will be Bosnians, too. (Mirub Jager, 25 February 2010 16:30)”
Actually we don’t really see a difference between Serbs, Montenegrins, Bosnian-Serbs etc. You’re the one making statements like we were all different. That’s what’s so comical.
I have to copy and paste this to emphasize my argument made below:
“This step up in values [Srebrenica Resolution] will be very important in the total transformation of our society into a civil society, and a condemnation of one horrible crime that became a symbol to the world for casualties in the war of the 1990s, and will be a distancing from the crime which was claimed to be done in the name of the Serb people. Serbia is improving its image and regional credibility with this act,” Tadić said.
Responses such as Tadic does not represent Serbs are not valid for he is your elected President and a very good choice may I add.
"You can deny the national aspiration of a people to unite for decades and even centuries but in the end the people's will will win out."
(Zoti)
-- Well you see it's not really living in denial, nor is it laughing at the "will of the people" or whatever you want to call it. It's basically looking at history and realizing that other attempts at creating a Greater "X" have all failed.
And if the international community has halted attempts at establishing Greater Bulgaria, Greater Greece, Greater Germany, Greater Croatia, and Greater Serbia, what gives you any idea the civilized world has even the slightest intention of allowing a Greater Albania?
"And if Albanians treat Serbs like they did in 2004?"
(mathew)
I believe that March 2004 should have not happened and I condemn it with my whole mind and heart, but, from 17 people killed during these violent protest 11 were Albanians, 5 unidentified and 1 roma, 1 Serb. Thus, you can't compare the issues.
"Mirub, just out of curiosity, what do you think the death toll in Kosovo was BEFORE the NATO bombing?"
(mathew)
If you're implying that most of the Albanians were killed by NATO; you must be calling the milk "Mleko".
"Actually we don’t really see a difference between Serbs, Montenegrins, Bosnian-Serbs etc. You’re the one making statements like we were all different. That’s what’s so comical."
(Matthew, 25 February 2010 17:56)
Mathew, I was merely agreeing with you and arguing with Another Canadian Serb who said:
"Mirub,
...now i clearly see that you don't know that Milosevic and Karadzic are truly ethnic Montenegrins and are not Serbs.
Tell me Mirub, why is Serbia being held ransom for Montenegrin citizens so called wrong doings...
In addition, i want you to know the Mladic is Bosnian." [look for the posting below] and this is truly "comical."
You asked;
"Is one Albanian life really worth 500 or 1,000 African lives to you?"
If that notion is rooted in your mind than it is your prorogative. I never looked at it that way nor I ever will. Trust me you picked a wrong straw.
Timbucto? Is that a Serb territory?
As if a Canadian would know more about Balkans.
All I'm saying is that your "sudden non-serb" former leaders were applauded on their campaigns as true Serbs, just as you consider Dodic and some others consider Tadic. According to your "principles" once these "backboned Serbs" get dis-credited then they will be Bosnians, too.
Additionaly, Mr. Seselj is another Serb who is next to be revealed that actually is from your place called "timbucto".
You may inform us in Europe about Winter Olympics some inside info that we are not aware but on Balkans, Europa's doorstep, please...
Mirub,
"All North Amercians know the meaning of "timbuctoo".
Google it!"
I did and realized you meant TIMBUKTU. One true North American that you are.
"Secondly, i have been to Kosovo and all of Serbia numerous times."
When was your last time in Kosovo is the key question. 10 years ago, thus you don't know reality on the ground. Talk about an astronaut!?
"Lastly, what kind of Western Court takes 6 years to try and unsuccessfully convict Milosevic and Seselj."
A court that extends the opportunity to defend yourself until proven otherwise. Unlike the Iraqi kind of court which executes people without due process.
"Wasn't Saddam's trial only 282 days and then he was executed."
According to your principles Seselj should be executed since he passed the 282 days (your) deadline.
"It doesn't take a rocket scientist to conclude that Milosevic and Seselj are innocent"
Mikael,
Albanians women sacrifice a lot to raise their children to be proud and hard working citizens not drug dealers.If you read the Serbian newspapers you would know by now that Serbia is infested by Mega drug cartels that import tons of narcotics from South America and sell it in EU. This same Serbian drug lords according to your media have penetrated you government officials in every level.Serbia, Russia any many other countries are offering all kind of financial rewards to women to have children.Albanians do it for free because we love children.It is part of our culture.
If you can't extend your Lebensraum to Gracanica, how are you going to reach Ioannina?
(Mike, 24 February 2010)
It's very amusing seeing the Serbs take cheap shots at PRN's strategy. I can see the nervousness.
If you asked thess same Serbs ten years if Kosova would ever become independent they'd bet their last dollar that it wouldn't yet today there's a different reality.
I'm not saying Janina will ever become Albanian again but half of Macedonia is definitely within the realm of possibility. I'll take 3 of the 4 Albanian vilayets in a "new Albania" any day.
You guys are looking at the short term but we're thinking long-term. We got screwed once by the Ottomans and the Europeans, we are not going to repeat the same mistake again.
You can deny the national aspiration of a people to unite for decades and even centuries but in the end the people's will will win out.
I think Djukanovuc us really wise and pragmatic, who does NOT allow neighbours to live under illusions.
Mikael C said:
Hopefully Serbia can show Montenegro that it also considers you a true friend by recognizing the corner of Montenegro inhabited by albanians as independent.
(Mikael C, 24 February 2010 10:10)
Dear Mikael C,
Thank you for the concern of Albanians in MNG. However, we have not finished the job with Serbia YET, since Presevo valley and Nis ARE NOT YET, under Albanian control, but slowly we are getting there. Be patient...the MNG part of Albania is also high on the agenda, and in the meantime we want to thank that you are ready to recognise that part (which is obviously part and parcel of ALBANIA) just as the other parts mentioned above.
BTW, 52% of Macedonia and Janina region is also on the agenda (the latter region being delayed for a decade or see, until we join the EU)
“In some places they think, 'we have a problem with war criminals, but Montenegro has problems with crimes,”
Right on the spot.
The Serbian negations approach to her own problems is known. We are dirty but lets through some mud on others as well. Just see the declarations of their leaders: they never refrain from qualifying others. It's like someone really cares about their judgment but they still do judge even that everyone knows that they are deeply biased and are for calming their own dirty conscious.
Pathetic.
One day you will have to grow up and face your crimes and ask yourselves what did I do to stop them? Denying that they exists is not an healthy exercise.
Hopefully Serbia can show Montenegro that it also considers you a true friend by recognizing the corner of Montenegro inhabited by albanians as independent.
(Mikael C, 24 February 2010, 10:10)
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I hear you and it would be sweet to return the favour but having Albanians take more of Serbian land is unacceptable. If it was anyone else I would say do it tomorrow.
Djukanovic is only there temporarily. Once he and Tadic are gone it will be so different.
"BTW, 52% of Macedonia and Janina region is also on the agenda (the latter region being delayed for a decade or see, until we join the EU)"
PRN
Actually I think that 125% of Macedonias territory belongs to albanians. The way albanian women are giving birth I wouldn't be surprised if you ask for the entire contingent of Europe and North Africa to belong to the new Albanian empire. What a joy to be part of a greter Albania. Albania today is poor and undeveloped. In the future half of Serbia, Montenegro and Macedonia will be as poor and undeveloped as Albania. Sounds like a disease spreading. Gee, I can't wait for herds of albanian to steal more territory that never belonged to them. Perhaps albanians should creat a better future for themselves rather than letting their mothers give birth to a whole kindergarten. Then again poor and uneducated people always had many children to work the fields and sell drugs.
PRN - The Eu talks a lot about integrating the Balkans, but they also talk a lot about integrating Turkey, but when push comes to shove they deny Turkey EU membership. Any Albanian "state", i.e. Abania, "Kosova" + any future pseudo albo states will similarly be denied EU membership for two reasons. 1) you're muslims and the EU is a Christian club. There is no way that the Vatican will allow you in. 2) you're unreliable. If by some miracle al qaedo tomorrow becames the worlds only superpower you'dbe like lapdogs beging to join them. that's the nature of albanian politics - opportunistic and devious.
no albanian state/peoples are EVER going to join Europe along wih BiH and Turkey. they'll throw you scraps, but never allow you in. NATO ally - yes, EU inclusion - NO. you're good as cannon fodder but nothing else.
Ahhh, how sweet! Thank you Dukanovic for being a true friend of Serbia. With friends like you mr. Dukanovic Serbia doesn't need enemies. Hopefully Serbia can show Montenegro that it also considers you a true friend by recognizing the corner of Montenegro inhabited by albanians as independent.
This is an act by Đukanović and not by the will of Montenegro's citizens. He is one of the last remaining Milosević era "politicians". They also exist in "Kosova" and the Bosnian Federation. Once they are removed we have an opportunity to move forward.
The most promising steps towards reconciliation are in the hands of Serbia and Croatia. Lets hope they are successful and kickstart the process for the whole region.
Djukanovic is the modern day Vuk Brankovic. If you look at the posts here and see how much albanians love this cigarette smuggler, that tells you everything about what type of character this is.
Mikael,
Albanians women sacrifice a lot to raise their children to be proud and hard working citizens not drug dealers.If you read the Serbian newspapers you would know by now that Serbia is infested by Mega drug cartels that import tons of narcotics from South America and sell it in EU. This same Serbian drug lords according to your media have penetrated you government officials in every level.Serbia, Russia any many other countries are offering all kind of financial rewards to women to have children.Albanians do it for free because we love children.It is part of our culture.
BTW, 52% of Macedonia and Janina region is also on the agenda (the latter region being delayed for a decade or see, until we join the EU)
(PRN, 24 February 2010 11:10)
Geees, what a scary mentality..
As to Djukanovic, crimes in Montenegro, no kidding, are you going to put yourself behind bars? Already forgot what the Italian justice minister said yesterday?
Are not Karadzic and Milosevic of Montenegrin ethnicity.
Your knowledge of the balkans is quite astounding.
I am assuming your're not compensated for your historical accuracy, now are you?
(Another Canadian Serb, 24 February 2010 19:13)
This is what your president Tadic sais today:
"values will be very important in the total transformation of our society into a civil society, and a condemnation of one horrible crime that became a symbol to the world for casualties in the war of the 1990s, and will be a distancing from the crime which was claimed to be done in the name of the Serb people."
I'm sure you are gonna say Tadic is Bosnian, Saric is Montenegrin, Karadzic ...
BTW, 52% of Macedonia and Janina region is also on the agenda
(PRN, 24 February 2010 11:10)
I agree - but why not go further and rename "Alabama" to "Alabamia"?
The rest 49 States + Russia is only a matter of time, too. Just add one head to American Eagle... and Russian one is two-headed so it sounds an even easier task. Don't stop till Andromeda is not yours again: it's name begins with "A", a reason well-justified to send there an invasion army. The most modern starfleet of the known universe is at your disposal.
Ahhh, how sweet! Thank you Dukanovic for being a true friend of Serbia. With friends like you mr. Dukanovic Serbia doesn't need enemies. Hopefully Serbia can show Montenegro that it also considers you a true friend by recognizing the corner of Montenegro inhabited by albanians as independent.
(Mikael C, 24 February 2010 10:10)
If Montenegro treats Albanians there as Serbia did in Kosovo, by all means they deserve protection and 'divorce'. Then Serbia would have a chance to get even with Montenegro by recognizing the new entity as sovereign entity, but the Montenegrins are not that dumb to treat their own citizens in that manner.
I have to copy and paste this to emphasize my argument made below:
“This step up in values [Srebrenica Resolution] will be very important in the total transformation of our society into a civil society, and a condemnation of one horrible crime that became a symbol to the world for casualties in the war of the 1990s, and will be a distancing from the crime which was claimed to be done in the name of the Serb people. Serbia is improving its image and regional credibility with this act,” Tadić said.
Responses such as Tadic does not represent Serbs are not valid for he is your elected President and a very good choice may I add.
Timbucto? Is that a Serb territory?
As if a Canadian would know more about Balkans.
All I'm saying is that your "sudden non-serb" former leaders were applauded on their campaigns as true Serbs, just as you consider Dodic and some others consider Tadic. According to your "principles" once these "backboned Serbs" get dis-credited then they will be Bosnians, too.
Additionaly, Mr. Seselj is another Serb who is next to be revealed that actually is from your place called "timbucto".
You may inform us in Europe about Winter Olympics some inside info that we are not aware but on Balkans, Europa's doorstep, please...
"And if Albanians treat Serbs like they did in 2004?"
(mathew)
I believe that March 2004 should have not happened and I condemn it with my whole mind and heart, but, from 17 people killed during these violent protest 11 were Albanians, 5 unidentified and 1 roma, 1 Serb. Thus, you can't compare the issues.
"Mirub, just out of curiosity, what do you think the death toll in Kosovo was BEFORE the NATO bombing?"
(mathew)
If you're implying that most of the Albanians were killed by NATO; you must be calling the milk "Mleko".
"Actually we don’t really see a difference between Serbs, Montenegrins, Bosnian-Serbs etc. You’re the one making statements like we were all different. That’s what’s so comical."
(Matthew, 25 February 2010 17:56)
Mathew, I was merely agreeing with you and arguing with Another Canadian Serb who said:
"Mirub,
...now i clearly see that you don't know that Milosevic and Karadzic are truly ethnic Montenegrins and are not Serbs.
Tell me Mirub, why is Serbia being held ransom for Montenegrin citizens so called wrong doings...
In addition, i want you to know the Mladic is Bosnian." [look for the posting below] and this is truly "comical."
You asked;
"Is one Albanian life really worth 500 or 1,000 African lives to you?"
If that notion is rooted in your mind than it is your prorogative. I never looked at it that way nor I ever will. Trust me you picked a wrong straw.
PRN, did you miss Halimi saying about a week ago that Presevo Albanians do not want to leave Serbia? And why would they? We all know visa-free travel to western Europe is a far bigger prize for you Albanians than freedom ever will be.
"BTW, 52% of Macedonia and Janina region is also on the agenda (the latter region being delayed for a decade or see, until we join the EU)"
(PRN)
-- Haha, slow down there Adolf. Try to work with something simple like, oh I don't know, maintaing a steady flow of electricity for 24 hours and indoor plumbing to everyone. If you can't extend your Lebensraum to Gracanica, how are you going to reach Ioannina?
If you can't extend your Lebensraum to Gracanica, how are you going to reach Ioannina?
(Mike, 24 February 2010)
It's very amusing seeing the Serbs take cheap shots at PRN's strategy. I can see the nervousness.
If you asked thess same Serbs ten years if Kosova would ever become independent they'd bet their last dollar that it wouldn't yet today there's a different reality.
I'm not saying Janina will ever become Albanian again but half of Macedonia is definitely within the realm of possibility. I'll take 3 of the 4 Albanian vilayets in a "new Albania" any day.
You guys are looking at the short term but we're thinking long-term. We got screwed once by the Ottomans and the Europeans, we are not going to repeat the same mistake again.
You can deny the national aspiration of a people to unite for decades and even centuries but in the end the people's will will win out.
RE: Djukanovic denial of the founding nations of Serbia and Montenegro.
Djukanovic statement is a denial of the founding nations of Raska and Gora, Serbia and Montenegro, Kosovo and Metohija. Part of Metohija still exists in the current border of Montenegro. The Denial of Methohija is a denial of the nationality of Serbs and Montenegrins.
LOL, I think soon someone will show him true LOVE.
I think the name Djukanovic will soon be the common expression for a true traitor all over Balkans..
Yeah Djukanovic is a great friend to Serbia. He even changed Montenegro's language from Serbian to the 'Montenegran language'. This being despite the fact that when the BBC asked a woman promoting the Montenegran language to find a word different in Montenegran to Serbian it took her about 5 minutes to do so. How petty can you get? There might as well be an Australian and American language as well.
By recognizing Kosovo his drug trade kartel had open door on all borders with Kosovo and albania.
Well that did not stop Serbia cutting on that suply for too long.
He and his croonies have to do some honest work from now on.
Mirub,
ar first i thought you were messing around. But now i clearly see that you don't know that Milosevic and Karadzic are truly ethnic Montenegrins and are not Serbs.
Tell me Mirub, why is Serbia being held ransom for Montenegrin citizens so called wrong doings. Why was Montenegro allowed to separate from Yugoslavia.
In addition, i want you to know the Mladic is Bosnian. Have you ever hear of Bosnia and Hercegovina.
I don't know what can of international organization you represent in Serbia, but you better start to google some ex Yugoslavian history.
You are always in such a hurry to berate Serbs. Clearly you are not qualified to make a just statement about anything in the Balkans.
You must be blogging from timbucto and not Serbia's province of Kosovo.
The most modern starfleet of the known universe is at your disposal.
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(Ataman, 24 February 2010 15:10)
Cracking..... today Mike and yourself really deserves the top marks, can't stop laughing. Did you by chance got that stuff that drives the prn, k-usa and co?
Nevertheless, at the end only Mikael C is right, soon the albanians will represent 125% of the world population, so we better be carefull and get on the safe space ship....
well then the 45% Serbs in montenegro want to split and join serbia so that's a lost cause for you because in the areas where there is a Serbian majority is 70-100% Serb population, so let the votes Begin and you could be president of little over half of montenegro until the albanians ay they want to join albania.
Serbia, Russia any many other countries are offering all kind of financial rewards to women to have children.Albanians do it for free because we love children.It is part of our culture.
(jesse, 25 February 2010 02:52)
or it could be the lack of sexual education and the unavailability of contraceptives... but no, you're probably right. who wouldn't want to bring as many children as possible into the world, especially if they live in kosovo!
Sam, I AM WRITING TO YOU IN AMERICAN – DO YOU UNDERSTAND?
Nice article, being Montenegrin myself with a Bosnian Serb wife, I’ll have no end to the fun of letting her know that what she’s speaking is actually Montenegrin and NOT Serb since she says “mlijeko” and not mleko.
Milo belongs in the waste bin of history. Njegos he aint!
“If Montenegro treats Albanians there as Serbia did in Kosovo, by all means they deserve protection and 'divorce’ (Mirub Jager, 24 February 2010 16:32)”
And if Albanians treat Serbs like they did in 2004 or Croatians treat Serbs like they did in 1995 or 1941?
Oh yeah, one rule for those who are Orthodox and another for everyone else eh Mirub?
Mirub, just out of curiosity, what do you think the death toll in Kosovo was BEFORE the NATO bombing?
Also, do you think its morally right for NATO to completely ignore the Genocide of Millions in Africa at the exact same time they are mobilizing for war in Kosovo over the deaths of just 2,000 people, mostly guerilla fighters?
Is one Albanian life really worth 500 or 1,000 African lives to you?
“According to your "principles" once these "backboned Serbs" get dis-credited then they will be Bosnians, too. (Mirub Jager, 25 February 2010 16:30)”
Actually we don’t really see a difference between Serbs, Montenegrins, Bosnian-Serbs etc. You’re the one making statements like we were all different. That’s what’s so comical.
Mirub,
"All North Amercians know the meaning of "timbuctoo".
Google it!"
I did and realized you meant TIMBUKTU. One true North American that you are.
"Secondly, i have been to Kosovo and all of Serbia numerous times."
When was your last time in Kosovo is the key question. 10 years ago, thus you don't know reality on the ground. Talk about an astronaut!?
"Lastly, what kind of Western Court takes 6 years to try and unsuccessfully convict Milosevic and Seselj."
A court that extends the opportunity to defend yourself until proven otherwise. Unlike the Iraqi kind of court which executes people without due process.
"Wasn't Saddam's trial only 282 days and then he was executed."
According to your principles Seselj should be executed since he passed the 282 days (your) deadline.
"It doesn't take a rocket scientist to conclude that Milosevic and Seselj are innocent"
very busy agenda you have there PRN. Little bit unrealistic if you ask me, because no Albanian political force that counts, from anywhere in the Balkans where Albanians live, supports that agenda as far as I know.
"You can deny the national aspiration of a people to unite for decades and even centuries but in the end the people's will will win out."
(Zoti)
-- Well you see it's not really living in denial, nor is it laughing at the "will of the people" or whatever you want to call it. It's basically looking at history and realizing that other attempts at creating a Greater "X" have all failed.
And if the international community has halted attempts at establishing Greater Bulgaria, Greater Greece, Greater Germany, Greater Croatia, and Greater Serbia, what gives you any idea the civilized world has even the slightest intention of allowing a Greater Albania?
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