"KFOR won't interfere in political processes"

"Not militarely , that's for SURE. VS is no match for K-Albanians and its allies(NATO)." (Kosova-USA)

-- VS may be no match for NATO, but they are more than a match for K Albanians. Otherwise, you wouldn't need NATO there to keep the peace, and you certainly wouldn't have needed NATO to bail you out in 1999. If you're going to flex your nationalism, make sure you can do it without cowering behind someone else's military.

The way things are unfolding, ALbanian Army (after Turkish Army) will able to flex it muscles with any countries' army. This is WHAT NATO is doing at the moment.
(PRN, 22 February 2010, 16:02)

Again a post from PRN who is living in Fantasy Land. Mighty Albanian and Kosovo armies? This is purely an emotional argument based solely upon one (silly) opinion

"Not militarely , that's for SURE. VS is no match for K-Albanians and its allies(NATO).
(Kosova-USA, 22 February 2010 13:51) "

Oh, come on! Get real! K-Albanians are in reality hiding behind Nato's coat tails. More accurate to state that VS is no match for Nato fullstop. Moreover you should stop pretending that Nato are your buddies. The truth is that they together with Eulex are ruling you guys.

Not militarely , that's for SURE. VS is no match for K-Albanians and its allies(NATO).
Kosovo-USA

We witnessed how "powerful" the albanian were during the war. Hiding in the hills and kiddnapping people in their homes. Yeah, very powerful and brave! How come it took 78 days for the mightiest military alliance to force Serbia to give up?
Yeah, you are so brave! Making threats cowering behind KFOR. During all the wars between Serbs and albanians you are yet to win one without assistance.
By the way, what happend when MUP took back occupied areas in the 3 km buffer zone around Kosovo? The terrorists uck were no match for 18 year old Serb soldiers.

Asked whether the recent opening of a military base in southern Serbia could trigger tensions in the region, Bentler said that "Serbia does not represent a danger for Kosovo".

Not militarely , that's for SURE. VS is no match for K-Albanians and its allies(NATO).

How come it took 78 days for the mightiest military alliance to force Serbia to give up?
(Mikael C, 22 February 2010 14:29)
--
Mike, Serbia didn't give up after 78 days. In fact, it was NATO. It took them that long to finally remove two clauses out of the Rambouillet Agreement that were impossible to agree on.

NATO agreed not to insist on the occupation of all of Yugoslavia by NATO troops and to forget about insisting on a referendum in Kosovo within three years.

If they had removed those two clauses out of the original agreement then there wouldn't be a war anyway.

I wouldn't be too concerned about NATO's performance. A bunch of cave men are kicking their backside in Afghanistan but I have to give NATO some credit, they are highly sophisticated killing machine of innocent civilians and civilian infrustructure.

PRN & Pejoni,

Only logic or defense to support your previous posts about strength and readiness of A-Army is if you're kids with access to Net and Internet games.

But if you're adults then you have a problem.

The way things are unfolding, ALbanian Army (after Turkish Army) will able to flex it muscles with any countries' army. This is WHAT NATO is doing at the moment.

"With estimated 400.000 weapons in Kosovo, 50& unmemployment, youngest population in all of Europe, now do the math how it will end for VS when it enters Kosovo."
Pejoni

You make it sound like it was 200 years ago since Serbias army was in Kosovo. Kosovo had the same population 15 years ago. How come they didn't fight back then?

400.000 weapons in Kosovo! You do the math and you will realize that both children and old people carry arms in Serbia southern province. However, keep those guns. You will need them in the future.

-- VS may be no match for NATO, but they are more than a match for K Albanians. Otherwise, you wouldn't need NATO there to keep the peace, and you certainly wouldn't have needed NATO to bail you out in 1999. If you're going to flex your nationalism, make sure you can do it without cowering behind someone else's military.
(Mike, 22 February 2010 14:51)

We need NATO since they made it clear in the begining they will take care of our security, hence why Kosovo doesnt have an army (yet). But if you think VS has any chance to take north, let alone all of Kosovo today you ppl are heading towards an early disappointment.

With estimated 400.000 weapons in Kosovo, 50& unmemployment, youngest population in all of Europe, now do the math how it will end for VS when it enters Kosovo. Of course this time we wouldnt settle with Kosovo only, Presheva valley would be integrated into Kosovo aswell, then you can scream you'll never recognize us, atleast then you have a reason.

With estimated 400.000 weapons in Kosovo, 50& unmemployment, youngest population in all of Europe, now do the math how it will end for VS when it enters Kosovo. Of course this time we wouldnt settle with Kosovo only, Presheva valley would be integrated into Kosovo aswell, then you can scream you'll never recognize us, atleast then you have a reason.
(Pejoni, 22 February 2010 16:10)

The way things are unfolding, ALbanian Army (after Turkish Army) will able to flex it muscles with any countries' army. This is WHAT NATO is doing at the moment.
(PRN, 22 February 2010 16:02)


The Albanian Army is barely an army in the true sense of the word and like the Turkish Army they rely on handouts from NATO countries otherwise they would not have enough uniforms let alone equipment.

The Turkish Army did not fare too well in northern Iraq against the Kurds – they thrashed the Turks. The US had to step in and provide an excuse for the Turks to withdraw and save face.

Pejoni,

Who said anything about VS re-entering Kosovo? I doubt that's even a remote chance. But in all honesty, if VS wanted to, it could reach the northern banks of the Ibar in less than 24 hours with hardly any resistance. The only country that could retaliate would be the US and I highly doubt they're willing to start another war. Is it feasible? Yes. Is it wise? Hardly. But that's all conjecture. As for your statement of 400,000 weapons in Kosovo (which I'm glad you admit) and an apparent surplus of young nationalists with nothing to do, such a scenario assumes that a) these kids will be properly trained to go up against a seasoned army and b) they won't run. Giving kids with guns an army does not make. Certainly not a professional army.

But again, you know as well as I that none of this matters because these scenarios will not play out.

pss, KFOR seems to make it clear Kosovo will never have a professional army. So if there's anyone to blame for the continued lack of such a force, lay blame with the Albanian leaders in Pristina who signed away such security in exchange for international involvement. As for Serbia vs. Albania, that's even less likely that the above-mentioned scenarios.

Stability > Status > Standards seems to be the rule of thumb in Kosovo.

-- VS may be no match for NATO, but they are more than a match for K Albanians. Otherwise, you wouldn't need NATO there to keep the peace, and you certainly wouldn't have needed NATO to bail you out in 1999. If you're going to flex your nationalism, make sure you can do it without cowering behind someone else's military.
(Mike, 22 February 2010 14:51)
While I don't agree with the posts that Kosovo or Albania for that matter is of any military match to Serbia, your post is just as crazy.
You cannot put down Kosovo when they have never had a chance to develop a true military.
And as far as Serbia vs Albania that is the reason for joining NATO, you are never alone.

pss, KFOR seems to make it clear Kosovo will never have a professional army. So if there's anyone to blame for the continued lack of such a force, lay blame with the Albanian leaders in Pristina who signed away such security in exchange for international involvement. As for Serbia vs. Albania, that's even less likely that the above-mentioned scenarios.

Stability > Status > Standards seems to be the rule of thumb in Kosovo.
(Mike, 22 February 2010 23:35)
I would not agree that Kfor does not intend for Kosovo to never have a professional military, just not yet. The plan of supervised independence was never meant to be permanent just as it was never meant for Kosovo to remain a UN protectorate forever.
It is way too early to develop such a situation. The last thing the west wants is to go 180 degrees.
No matter which side you may be on one would have to admit that there are those on the Albanian side who wish to payback the Serbian scourge of the 90s, just the same as there are Serbians who want to finish the job.
I think the goal is to create a future for all and not just perpetuate centuries of violence. Whether they are successful or not, the future will tell.

Asked whether the recent opening of a military base in southern Serbia could trigger tensions in the region, Bentler said that "Serbia does not represent a danger for Kosovo".

Not militarely , that's for SURE. VS is no match for K-Albanians and its allies(NATO).

-- VS may be no match for NATO, but they are more than a match for K Albanians. Otherwise, you wouldn't need NATO there to keep the peace, and you certainly wouldn't have needed NATO to bail you out in 1999. If you're going to flex your nationalism, make sure you can do it without cowering behind someone else's military.
(Mike, 22 February 2010 14:51)

We need NATO since they made it clear in the begining they will take care of our security, hence why Kosovo doesnt have an army (yet). But if you think VS has any chance to take north, let alone all of Kosovo today you ppl are heading towards an early disappointment.

With estimated 400.000 weapons in Kosovo, 50& unmemployment, youngest population in all of Europe, now do the math how it will end for VS when it enters Kosovo. Of course this time we wouldnt settle with Kosovo only, Presheva valley would be integrated into Kosovo aswell, then you can scream you'll never recognize us, atleast then you have a reason.

The way things are unfolding, ALbanian Army (after Turkish Army) will able to flex it muscles with any countries' army. This is WHAT NATO is doing at the moment.

Not militarely , that's for SURE. VS is no match for K-Albanians and its allies(NATO).
Kosovo-USA

We witnessed how "powerful" the albanian were during the war. Hiding in the hills and kiddnapping people in their homes. Yeah, very powerful and brave! How come it took 78 days for the mightiest military alliance to force Serbia to give up?
Yeah, you are so brave! Making threats cowering behind KFOR. During all the wars between Serbs and albanians you are yet to win one without assistance.
By the way, what happend when MUP took back occupied areas in the 3 km buffer zone around Kosovo? The terrorists uck were no match for 18 year old Serb soldiers.

-- VS may be no match for NATO, but they are more than a match for K Albanians. Otherwise, you wouldn't need NATO there to keep the peace, and you certainly wouldn't have needed NATO to bail you out in 1999. If you're going to flex your nationalism, make sure you can do it without cowering behind someone else's military.
(Mike, 22 February 2010 14:51)
While I don't agree with the posts that Kosovo or Albania for that matter is of any military match to Serbia, your post is just as crazy.
You cannot put down Kosovo when they have never had a chance to develop a true military.
And as far as Serbia vs Albania that is the reason for joining NATO, you are never alone.

"Not militarely , that's for SURE. VS is no match for K-Albanians and its allies(NATO)." (Kosova-USA)

-- VS may be no match for NATO, but they are more than a match for K Albanians. Otherwise, you wouldn't need NATO there to keep the peace, and you certainly wouldn't have needed NATO to bail you out in 1999. If you're going to flex your nationalism, make sure you can do it without cowering behind someone else's military.

"Not militarely , that's for SURE. VS is no match for K-Albanians and its allies(NATO).
(Kosova-USA, 22 February 2010 13:51) "

Oh, come on! Get real! K-Albanians are in reality hiding behind Nato's coat tails. More accurate to state that VS is no match for Nato fullstop. Moreover you should stop pretending that Nato are your buddies. The truth is that they together with Eulex are ruling you guys.

How come it took 78 days for the mightiest military alliance to force Serbia to give up?
(Mikael C, 22 February 2010 14:29)
--
Mike, Serbia didn't give up after 78 days. In fact, it was NATO. It took them that long to finally remove two clauses out of the Rambouillet Agreement that were impossible to agree on.

NATO agreed not to insist on the occupation of all of Yugoslavia by NATO troops and to forget about insisting on a referendum in Kosovo within three years.

If they had removed those two clauses out of the original agreement then there wouldn't be a war anyway.

I wouldn't be too concerned about NATO's performance. A bunch of cave men are kicking their backside in Afghanistan but I have to give NATO some credit, they are highly sophisticated killing machine of innocent civilians and civilian infrustructure.

The way things are unfolding, ALbanian Army (after Turkish Army) will able to flex it muscles with any countries' army. This is WHAT NATO is doing at the moment.
(PRN, 22 February 2010, 16:02)

Again a post from PRN who is living in Fantasy Land. Mighty Albanian and Kosovo armies? This is purely an emotional argument based solely upon one (silly) opinion

PRN & Pejoni,

Only logic or defense to support your previous posts about strength and readiness of A-Army is if you're kids with access to Net and Internet games.

But if you're adults then you have a problem.

Pejoni,

Who said anything about VS re-entering Kosovo? I doubt that's even a remote chance. But in all honesty, if VS wanted to, it could reach the northern banks of the Ibar in less than 24 hours with hardly any resistance. The only country that could retaliate would be the US and I highly doubt they're willing to start another war. Is it feasible? Yes. Is it wise? Hardly. But that's all conjecture. As for your statement of 400,000 weapons in Kosovo (which I'm glad you admit) and an apparent surplus of young nationalists with nothing to do, such a scenario assumes that a) these kids will be properly trained to go up against a seasoned army and b) they won't run. Giving kids with guns an army does not make. Certainly not a professional army.

But again, you know as well as I that none of this matters because these scenarios will not play out.

pss, KFOR seems to make it clear Kosovo will never have a professional army. So if there's anyone to blame for the continued lack of such a force, lay blame with the Albanian leaders in Pristina who signed away such security in exchange for international involvement. As for Serbia vs. Albania, that's even less likely that the above-mentioned scenarios.

Stability > Status > Standards seems to be the rule of thumb in Kosovo.

"With estimated 400.000 weapons in Kosovo, 50& unmemployment, youngest population in all of Europe, now do the math how it will end for VS when it enters Kosovo."
Pejoni

You make it sound like it was 200 years ago since Serbias army was in Kosovo. Kosovo had the same population 15 years ago. How come they didn't fight back then?

400.000 weapons in Kosovo! You do the math and you will realize that both children and old people carry arms in Serbia southern province. However, keep those guns. You will need them in the future.

With estimated 400.000 weapons in Kosovo, 50& unmemployment, youngest population in all of Europe, now do the math how it will end for VS when it enters Kosovo. Of course this time we wouldnt settle with Kosovo only, Presheva valley would be integrated into Kosovo aswell, then you can scream you'll never recognize us, atleast then you have a reason.
(Pejoni, 22 February 2010 16:10)

The way things are unfolding, ALbanian Army (after Turkish Army) will able to flex it muscles with any countries' army. This is WHAT NATO is doing at the moment.
(PRN, 22 February 2010 16:02)


The Albanian Army is barely an army in the true sense of the word and like the Turkish Army they rely on handouts from NATO countries otherwise they would not have enough uniforms let alone equipment.

The Turkish Army did not fare too well in northern Iraq against the Kurds – they thrashed the Turks. The US had to step in and provide an excuse for the Turks to withdraw and save face.

pss, KFOR seems to make it clear Kosovo will never have a professional army. So if there's anyone to blame for the continued lack of such a force, lay blame with the Albanian leaders in Pristina who signed away such security in exchange for international involvement. As for Serbia vs. Albania, that's even less likely that the above-mentioned scenarios.

Stability > Status > Standards seems to be the rule of thumb in Kosovo.
(Mike, 22 February 2010 23:35)
I would not agree that Kfor does not intend for Kosovo to never have a professional military, just not yet. The plan of supervised independence was never meant to be permanent just as it was never meant for Kosovo to remain a UN protectorate forever.
It is way too early to develop such a situation. The last thing the west wants is to go 180 degrees.
No matter which side you may be on one would have to admit that there are those on the Albanian side who wish to payback the Serbian scourge of the 90s, just the same as there are Serbians who want to finish the job.
I think the goal is to create a future for all and not just perpetuate centuries of violence. Whether they are successful or not, the future will tell.