Tadić, Josipović meeting expected soon

Don't "rush" with that "meeting", please.

Leave them where they are: comfortable distance of ignoring their being and animosity is the only welcomed exchange.

Otherwise it looks like we are asked to adopt collective Alzheimer.

Serbia MUST understand that Croatia like other former constituive parts of former Yugoslavia are independent countries. "Will or against me" policy doesn't work in the modern world and in a democratic society.

"Serbia MUST...

(EA, 20 February 2010 16:25)..."


>>> For your kindest attention: SERBIA must NOTHING!

Leave your must-ing for your junk World.

Here is some info of dispute on the islands - Island of Šarengrad (Croatian: Šarengradska ada, Serbian: Шаренградска ада / Šarengradska ada) is a Danube river island situated close to the village of Šarengrad in Croatia. The island was formed in 1909 with the construction of the Mohovo-Šarengrad canal.

During the Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia the island was part of the Socialist Republic of Croatia. During the Croatian War of Independence, Yugoslav People's army aka Serbian army and Serbian militia occupied the island.

By decision of the Badinter Arbitration Committee the borders between republics became the borders between the countries, so Island of Šarengrad had officially become the territory of the Republic of Croatia, even if it was under Serbian occupation at the time.

In 1998 by a peace agreement Southern Baranja, Western Syrmia and Eastern Slavonia were rejoined with Croatia, but the Island of Šarengrad together with Island of Vukovar has stayed under Serbian military occupation.

In 2002 the Serbian army opened fire from the island on the president of the Vukovar-Syrmia County, Nikola Safer, and his escort which included four children in time when he was going for a meeting with his colleague from Serbia. This was despite the party having had formal consent from Serbian officials.

Serbia withdrew its army from the island, which has been replaced with Serbian police. Any citizen of Croatia can approach that island crossing the border Backa Palanka - Ilok, as any other foreign citizen can. Lawful landlords (croatian citizens) still can not reach a control over their land possessions on the island. Land registration books are managed by croatian authorities, but serbian side does not recognise these ownerships. In 2009, the island was opened up for recreational purposes after a temporary arrangement was established.

Official Serbian position is that because the Island of Šarengrad is nearer to east, Serbian coast of Danube, therefore it's a Serbian island. On the other side the official Croatian position is that the decision of the Badinter Arbitration Committee is final and without question so the island is a Croatian territory. From the perspective of international community, the island is part of Croatian state, according to internationally recognized border. Boris Tadić wants to return them then again he has to careful with the Serbian hot heads. Look what happened to Serbian President Zoran Đinđić when he wanted to rectify the disputes ,murdered by the Serb hot heads shame. Croatia will not wait for ever getting tired of the Serb nonsense.

"border dispute" between Croatia and Serbia.
this is news to me, can somebody help on this subject!

Some islands on the Danube that are Croatian occupied fist by the Serb military. Until their military started shooting at Croatians a couple years ago. Belgrade had to replace as usual the trigger happy army with Serb police but still occupied Croatian islands!

Lenard, 20 February 2010 22:08)
I’m sure that Serbia is shaking in their boots to hear that Croatia has limited patience. I know here is a chance to use that NATO trained Croatian army and through them off that island. You have NATO to back you up.
Like all good Croats your eyes are bigger than your stomachs – I have heard “everything is Croatian lands and we have history to prove it” so many times, claiming Vojvodina, Bosnia, and Montenegro. For a country of 3.5 million people they claim a greater history than the Roman and British empires together.
There is more than just these islands – this is a small part of a much larger dispute that Croatia has to settle and that includes reparations to Serb refugees. I keep telling you Croats that it’s not all that it appears on the surface, there are more issues if you dig deeper.

(sj, 21 February 2010 06:57)

The only thing serbs will find by digging deeper is....A BIG VETO !!

Not only Croatia will never hand over any sqm of its territory...but once it gets within EU (2011 or early 2012), Serbia will have to fullfil any of croatian desires, one by one....or risk seeing itself out of EU while all other balkan countries get in...and thus riskying other vetos...

And no point bothering us with your "who would listen to small Croatia ??", Slovenia, and microb Cyprus have proven that a small veto entails the same consequences as a big one...

The accompanying discussion on wiki where you got that info from Lenard:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Island_of_Vukovar#Original_research_and_POV

It seems that the Serbian position is that as the island is middle of the river Serbia has a claim to ownership.

Serbia might have a weaker argument and if so it is the smart thing to try to sort this out before Croatian EU membership, just in case. Maybe 'soft' Josipovic will let Serbia win this one!

On the other hand I don't see why those that live there can't declare independence :) Its a tried and tested method in the former Jugoslavija after all.

Because of changes brought on by the Lisbon treaty, a single veto can not impede Serbia's EU ambitions, the way it has for Croatia because of Slovenia.

Not only Croatia will never hand over any sqm of its territory...but once it gets within EU (2011 or early 2012), Serbia will have to fullfil any of croatian desires, one by one....or risk seeing itself out of EU while all other balkan countries get in.
(Stefan, 21 February 2010 14:27)

A message to a member of the Croatian branch of the international keyboard warrior community, Croatia is no position to issue any demands to Serbia not while 200,000 Krajina Serbs are stll in exile. When you let them back maybe then you can talk.

You talk about being let into the EU, well tovariš you need to tidy up your house first, I'm talking about those Thompson Ustasa fests that you guys regularly hold and all that Ustasa associated crap.

As for your Croatian hospitality, I went to Croatia last year to see a friend and for me I found the atmosphere a bit intimidating. The windscreen in my car was smashed and i was threathened by a group of idiots in a bar, not to mention been told in a number of places that I was not welcome. huh! what gives?

1 week in Croatia, total bliss.

Next time I bring Gordana.

And no point bothering us with your "who would listen to small Croatia ??", Slovenia, and microb Cyprus have proven that a small veto entails the same consequences as a big one...
(Stefan, 21 February 2010 14:27)
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Two different things entirely.
Nobody is going to allow Croatia to bully anyone. This is reserved strictly for Brussels and their mates.

Serbia MUST understand that Croatia like other former constituive parts of former Yugoslavia are independent countries. "Will or against me" policy doesn't work in the modern world and in a democratic society.

"border dispute" between Croatia and Serbia.
this is news to me, can somebody help on this subject!

Don't "rush" with that "meeting", please.

Leave them where they are: comfortable distance of ignoring their being and animosity is the only welcomed exchange.

Otherwise it looks like we are asked to adopt collective Alzheimer.

"Serbia MUST...

(EA, 20 February 2010 16:25)..."


>>> For your kindest attention: SERBIA must NOTHING!

Leave your must-ing for your junk World.

Some islands on the Danube that are Croatian occupied fist by the Serb military. Until their military started shooting at Croatians a couple years ago. Belgrade had to replace as usual the trigger happy army with Serb police but still occupied Croatian islands!

Here is some info of dispute on the islands - Island of Šarengrad (Croatian: Šarengradska ada, Serbian: Шаренградска ада / Šarengradska ada) is a Danube river island situated close to the village of Šarengrad in Croatia. The island was formed in 1909 with the construction of the Mohovo-Šarengrad canal.

During the Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia the island was part of the Socialist Republic of Croatia. During the Croatian War of Independence, Yugoslav People's army aka Serbian army and Serbian militia occupied the island.

By decision of the Badinter Arbitration Committee the borders between republics became the borders between the countries, so Island of Šarengrad had officially become the territory of the Republic of Croatia, even if it was under Serbian occupation at the time.

In 1998 by a peace agreement Southern Baranja, Western Syrmia and Eastern Slavonia were rejoined with Croatia, but the Island of Šarengrad together with Island of Vukovar has stayed under Serbian military occupation.

In 2002 the Serbian army opened fire from the island on the president of the Vukovar-Syrmia County, Nikola Safer, and his escort which included four children in time when he was going for a meeting with his colleague from Serbia. This was despite the party having had formal consent from Serbian officials.

Serbia withdrew its army from the island, which has been replaced with Serbian police. Any citizen of Croatia can approach that island crossing the border Backa Palanka - Ilok, as any other foreign citizen can. Lawful landlords (croatian citizens) still can not reach a control over their land possessions on the island. Land registration books are managed by croatian authorities, but serbian side does not recognise these ownerships. In 2009, the island was opened up for recreational purposes after a temporary arrangement was established.

Official Serbian position is that because the Island of Šarengrad is nearer to east, Serbian coast of Danube, therefore it's a Serbian island. On the other side the official Croatian position is that the decision of the Badinter Arbitration Committee is final and without question so the island is a Croatian territory. From the perspective of international community, the island is part of Croatian state, according to internationally recognized border. Boris Tadić wants to return them then again he has to careful with the Serbian hot heads. Look what happened to Serbian President Zoran Đinđić when he wanted to rectify the disputes ,murdered by the Serb hot heads shame. Croatia will not wait for ever getting tired of the Serb nonsense.

Lenard, 20 February 2010 22:08)
I’m sure that Serbia is shaking in their boots to hear that Croatia has limited patience. I know here is a chance to use that NATO trained Croatian army and through them off that island. You have NATO to back you up.
Like all good Croats your eyes are bigger than your stomachs – I have heard “everything is Croatian lands and we have history to prove it” so many times, claiming Vojvodina, Bosnia, and Montenegro. For a country of 3.5 million people they claim a greater history than the Roman and British empires together.
There is more than just these islands – this is a small part of a much larger dispute that Croatia has to settle and that includes reparations to Serb refugees. I keep telling you Croats that it’s not all that it appears on the surface, there are more issues if you dig deeper.

(sj, 21 February 2010 06:57)

The only thing serbs will find by digging deeper is....A BIG VETO !!

Not only Croatia will never hand over any sqm of its territory...but once it gets within EU (2011 or early 2012), Serbia will have to fullfil any of croatian desires, one by one....or risk seeing itself out of EU while all other balkan countries get in...and thus riskying other vetos...

And no point bothering us with your "who would listen to small Croatia ??", Slovenia, and microb Cyprus have proven that a small veto entails the same consequences as a big one...

Not only Croatia will never hand over any sqm of its territory...but once it gets within EU (2011 or early 2012), Serbia will have to fullfil any of croatian desires, one by one....or risk seeing itself out of EU while all other balkan countries get in.
(Stefan, 21 February 2010 14:27)

A message to a member of the Croatian branch of the international keyboard warrior community, Croatia is no position to issue any demands to Serbia not while 200,000 Krajina Serbs are stll in exile. When you let them back maybe then you can talk.

You talk about being let into the EU, well tovariš you need to tidy up your house first, I'm talking about those Thompson Ustasa fests that you guys regularly hold and all that Ustasa associated crap.

As for your Croatian hospitality, I went to Croatia last year to see a friend and for me I found the atmosphere a bit intimidating. The windscreen in my car was smashed and i was threathened by a group of idiots in a bar, not to mention been told in a number of places that I was not welcome. huh! what gives?

1 week in Croatia, total bliss.

Next time I bring Gordana.

And no point bothering us with your "who would listen to small Croatia ??", Slovenia, and microb Cyprus have proven that a small veto entails the same consequences as a big one...
(Stefan, 21 February 2010 14:27)
======================

Two different things entirely.
Nobody is going to allow Croatia to bully anyone. This is reserved strictly for Brussels and their mates.

The accompanying discussion on wiki where you got that info from Lenard:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Island_of_Vukovar#Original_research_and_POV

It seems that the Serbian position is that as the island is middle of the river Serbia has a claim to ownership.

Serbia might have a weaker argument and if so it is the smart thing to try to sort this out before Croatian EU membership, just in case. Maybe 'soft' Josipovic will let Serbia win this one!

On the other hand I don't see why those that live there can't declare independence :) Its a tried and tested method in the former Jugoslavija after all.

Because of changes brought on by the Lisbon treaty, a single veto can not impede Serbia's EU ambitions, the way it has for Croatia because of Slovenia.