Friday, 19.02.2010.
11:35
The European Union cannot request Serbia to recognize Kosovo, says an Austrian MEP.
Izvor: Tanjug
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Some K-albanians are prepared to let the north on the basis that people don't want to be part of an independent kosovo.
Using the same argument they suggest that the presevo valley should form part of kosovo.
Using the same argument as them, shouldn't we exempt strpce from kosovo?
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We can all rest assured that all EU states recognise Serbia. Whereas Kosova is only partially recognised by some. Thaci has led Kosova and its supporters nowhere. If I were Albanian I would swap allegiance to Serbia
and look for autonomy and not independence. Lets face it Thaci has failed to deliver.
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These are classical diplomatic games. On one side he is says EU can't ask Serbia to recognize Kosovo but on the other he is saying that without soling the problem Serbia can't join EU. Which in other words means that we won't do it in a way that would frustrate anyone, but will do it in a more well though manner by giving you no other options and asking you to make gradual progress towards it.
Doesn't this tell you something: "He also clarified that the EU does not want to import problems but to export stability instead."
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'In his last week's address to the EO members in Strasbourg, Svoboda also said that “no one knows the formula for Serbia's accession in the EU without recognizing the independence of Kosovo” and “it will be a difficult diplomatic formula, which Serbia has to find.”'
Well, if anyone was ever in doubt about the crookedness and totalitarian bent of the EU, there you have it in a nutshell.
I know of no other international organisation to be as liary, conniving, corrupt and sinister as the EU.
It cannot possibly last.
MB,Ireland
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svojgazda, excellent comment! All people migrated north from Africa and evolved characteristics to help them fit into their climates/contexts. Nobody was in Europe as far as anthropology knows since the beginning of time.
Let's review a bit of history and see why Albanians are creating these fairy tales. In the beginning of this crisis, the world was already media driven and the Bosnians, Croats, and Albanians used it to their advantage to drive Americans and Western European idealists to their side. Bombarding the media with horrific sights, they played on emotions that ended up in calls for swift action. At that time anything would go. I remember reading about how Serbs were illiterate murderers who played soccer with the heads of children they decapitated. They also ran massive rape camps and killed hundreds of thousand of innocent civilians for the sake of it. Only bombing could stop them from murdering all ALbanians! How weird that they actually bombed Serbia on an assumption that if they didn't Serbia would kill everyone, even though the history of the Balkan wars had already proven that Serbia wouldn't murder everyone in their path. How can I say this? Well, if they could have, why didn't they? After all, Serbs were surrounding Sarajevo for a long time and didn't go in and murder everyone when they could have at any time. Also, before the intervention, Serbs were in position to murder all Albanians, but they didn't. At any rate, these claims were running around unchecked and believed by virtually anyone who prefers not to think.
As time has moved on, the world has changed. Many high intellectuals now agree that the Balkan wars were a farce and a crime to break up Jugoslavia for various political and economic reasons. Yet, Albanians still believe these fairy tales will help their cause. To help with their claims, they've attempted to erase all traces of Serbian culture in Kosovo. Unfortunately for them, media technology has progressed far beyond where it was in the 1990s. The vast power of the internet has allowed more information to be available than ever before, and more intellectuals to state their points of view. With this, it has become possible to challenge these Albanian claims and now people, even those whom prefer not to think, are starting to see the light. So, Albanians of the world, enjoy your fairy tales and read them to your vast number of children (20 per couple?) at bedtime.
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Me,I really don't know what eagle you are talking about.The only birds that I saw in Kosovo are the crows.And what do crows do?They feed on corpses and on trash.
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1,
Dardania,and Dardanian people are here on the land of eagle .
2,
I am free like an Eagle,and I am flying on my Dardanian land(not all,but soon I will fly on all the Illyrian Land).This is the dream I had for over 600 years,not asking for more.
3,
No,I can not live in Nish,because my house has been taken by serbs.Not just my house,but there are many others Albanians like me left with nothing.(and you know that very well).
(Me, 19 February 2010 21:24)
Me - are You Vlach?? Becouse Vlachs are descendants of Dardanians who were ROMANIZED during Roman Empire rule.
P.S. with which nation of ancient Dardania You identify yourself?? Romanized Illyrians, Thracians, Celts (Yes my friend - here lived Celts), Romans, Germans (Yes my friend - Dardania was conquered by germanic tribes like Goths)??
So - are You Albanian??
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PS now u did this with kosovo are u planning on soing the same in greece/macedonia/montenegro/italy??
(steven, 20 February 2010 00:02)
Well,the answer is yes.
Albania it will be one,there is no need for more than one Country with the same people on it.(Italy is out of it).
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(Mike, 20 February 2010 01:03)
I am not going to wast much time here with you,today in Dardania are a lot of people from Nish that had to leave there house,and everything they had just to save there lives.GUBETINI,MACASTENA,LLUMNICA..etc etc etc.
Jusjt GUBETINI are about 300 houses now from nish.
Someone are telling us Illyrians(Albanians) are from Tirana,what a joke.
(svojgazda, 20 February 2010 01:44)
For you short one, here is the bottom line, the people of the place where they live must and WILL decide with who they want to live with,thats how it is in 21st century.
No one can do anything against that.Some one may say,what about serbs on the north,well this goes for serbs as well.
On the end,B92,does not want to show you some of my coments.
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so long as serbia does not recognize kosovo... it will NEVER see EU admittance.
so long as it insists that it admittingly has no control or authority over a huge portion of its terriorty (kosovo) with millions that scoff at the idea that serbian govt. in any way represents them.
It is Guaranteed that Serbia simply does not qualify for EU membership.
the reality is, the eu has both fingers up serbias collective nose and is slowly drawing the problem child into civilization.... serbia will eventually recognize kosovo... all the "never" lipservice is being paid to keep in line the rabid nationalist minority in serbia.
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Come on B92 what's wrong with Anatolian buzzards anyway. In some parts of the world , like here, they can be called Dardanian eagles.
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Mr/Mrs Me, you come off as quite a troubled person. My family is from Nis, and I have never heard any of them ever mention the Dardanians, and they have been there for centuries. I am not quite sure what ancient civilizations have to do with modern geo-political situations anyway. All of us come from wondering tribes, that existed, inter-mingled, became extinct, or assimilated into other cultures. Are you trying to tell me that you, and your like, are pure Dardanians, that have been on the land of Southern Serbia since time began? There is not one ethnicity in the world that did not change lands, and at times drastically, in history. What is it with this Illyrian/Dardanian thing Albanians are trying to prove? Here is the bottom line, internationally recognized borders are that Kosovo belongs to the Serbian state. I know that is horrible for your ears, but that is what it is. The West is trying to pry Kosovo away from Serbian authority, and the Serbs are fighting to retain what is theirs ( I think Serbs have a little more recent history to this land, than some unproven tribal existence you imply). Let's all move into the 21st century where we live. It will make everything a lot easier to deal with and accept.
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1. Dardania,and Dardanian people are here on the land of eagle .
-- Where is that, next to the Land of Chocolate and Gumdrops?
2, I am free like an Eagle,and I am flying on my Dardanian land(not all,but soon I will fly on all the Illyrian Land).This is the dream I had for over 600 years,not asking for more.
-- How modest of you not to ask for anything more than the realization of a state that never existed. But on the other hand, if you're "free like an Eagle" or whatever that means, you should be able to go wherever you want. No one's stopping you except your own fantasies and prejudices. And possibly a passport. And money.
3. No,I can not live in Nish,because my house has been taken by serbs.Not just my house,but there are many others Albanians like me left with nothing.(and you know that very well).
-- But if you're "left with nothing", how can you be "free as an Eagle"? Maybe the Serbs did you a favor taking away your material possessions. Now you're free to spread your wings. Spread your Dardanian wings and FLYYYYYY!!!! (cue cheesy '80s montage music)
But seriously (and I am trying to be as serious as one can be given the comment I'm responding to), I don't recall Serbs ever needing to kick Albanians out of Nis. Maybe someone put an apartment bloc or a trafika on your spot while you were flying like an eagle and you have nowhere to land. Well, that’s what happens when one sits around for 600 years and dreams.
Do yourself a favor kiddo, lay off the sauce. You're a hoot, but lay off the sauce.
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dardania or whatever never existed as a country it was
mayby 2000years ago when it was a part of the roman empire and part of the provinces:illiria/moesia and macedonia
also kosovo never existed as a country and albania never exisited before 1912 when it was created by the western powers to prevent serbia acces to the sea if serbia had good relations with austo-hungaria then albania wouldnt even exsit and mayby there wouldnt even be WO1
And albanias are not illirians if they are then we serbo-croats are also illirians because the balkan is ethnically mixed even all of europe based on genetics
PS now u did this with kosovo are u planning on soing the same in greece/macedonia/montenegro/italy??
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Zoran, if EU (and US) are classified as a sinking ship then you should look for your “Eastern” ship right by where Titanic is (rests) now.
(Gjergj Fishta, 19 February 2010 14:06)
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Who built the Titanic?
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Never mind,USA will ask them.
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Five failing countries are holding Kosova hostage in EU visa liberalization and becoming a member of WHO. Not allowing Kosova to become a member of a Health organization is beyond vile on the part of Spain,Slovakia, Romania, Greece and Cyprus. These five countries have declared war not only on Kosova's peace and prosperity but of all Albanians.
(Bekim, 19 February 2010 19:08)
So, when can we expect Albanian troops to attack these countries?
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(Mikael C
There is a lot of proof,but not for blind people like you.
(Mike,
1,
Dardania,and Dardanian people are here on the land of eagle .
2,
I am free like an Eagle,and I am flying on my Dardanian land(not all,but soon I will fly on all the Illyrian Land).This is the dream I had for over 600 years,not asking for more.
3,
No,I can not live in Nish,because my house has been taken by serbs.Not just my house,but there are many others Albanians like me left with nothing.(and you know that very well).
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Serbia needs to stand firm on this.
Serbia joining the EU is not a favour to Serbia - particularly if Serbia is expected to sacrifice its territory to get there.
Neither should it be asked to.
The EU needs Serbia to join and will have failed if it pushes Serbia into an unacceptable corner. Serbia is complying very (arguably too) well, but there are limits to what should be expected.
As for Kosovo - forget it. It will not be possible for both Kosovo as a udi and Serbia proper to be in the EU together. Serbia should not sit at the same tables or be asked to do so.
udi Kosovo will have to be represented by some other body that does its work for it. That is not so different from the current situation in all other respects.
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"The European Union cannot request Serbia to recognize Kosovo, says an Austrian MEP."
And this is reality.
Let me tell you this,I am from nish,YOU serbs have taken my house,land... by force.
It is funny,how come a serb like you tell us (Illyrians) where we are from!!!!
DARDANIA has never been,it is not and NEVER will be a part of serbia.
DARDANIA has been occupied by Yugoslavia.Now got it back, we are free again(like the Eagle on the sky)and so we will stay forever,flying flying on the sky,freeee.
(Me, 19 February 2010 17:00)
Me - "Dardania" was province of ROMAN EMPIRE. Before Romans - here lived thraco-illyrians (not Illyrians!!) who were romanized during roman rule (from here comes some LATIN SPEAKING Roman imperators).
Descendants of romanized Illyrians are VLACHS. So - Albanians DON'T LIVED ON THE TERRITORY OF ROMAN PROVINCE "DARDANIA"!!
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The EU will not ask Serbia to recognize Kosovo since Serbia already has secretly recognized Kosovo just to get on the white Shengen list. People that don't know that are just sheep.
(lav1daloca, 19 February 2010 18:00)
Tell that to the Serbs (all 40-60,000) that control the north.
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Five failing countries are holding Kosova hostage in EU visa liberalization and becoming a member of WHO. Not allowing Kosova to become a member of a Health organization is beyond vile on the part of Spain,Slovakia, Romania, Greece and Cyprus. These five countries have declared war not only on Kosova's peace and prosperity but of all Albanians.
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The EU will not ask Serbia to recognize Kosovo since Serbia already has secretly recognized Kosovo just to get on the white Shengen list. People that don't know that are just sheep.
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"DARDANIA has been occupied by Yugoslavia."
Me
Show some proof that daradia or what ever its called and its place in the Balkans? Surely there must be some articles about your ancient culture? Why aren't there any findings from that area? Because its a hoax! You use this excuse to steal someone elses land.
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"Apart from some influence in the north, Serbia has no control of Kosovo." (nikshala)
-- Apart from "some" influence? How about "complete" influence? That's like saying Albanians have "some" influence in Pristina. Serbs and Albanians have no control over their others' respective regions. Once both sides accept that as a starting point then perhaps a negotiated solution can manifest. Until that time, Pristina is just as guilty as Belgrade in thinking it can control that which it can't.
Me, wonderful chest thumping you've got there. Were you listening to Freebird when you were mashing out that comment? Tell me, where the Hell is Dardania? I've never seen it on any map, nor have I ever heard of it in history. Second, if you're that free, how come you guys can't move around without a visa? And no one's keeping you from living in Nis, but expect to speak Serbian when you're there. No one's going to take you seriously with that "Dardanian" silliness. I suspect you're just another little Diaspora nationalist with way too much time on his hands. The "Eagle" may fly, but if you're from the area, which I suspect you're not, you still need a Serbian biometric passport :)
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Albanians are immigrants to Kosovo and should be happy Serbs allowed you to stay there after your joining with the nazis. The entire territory of Kosovo is Serbian. It always has been and it always will be. Remember that! No peace without justice! Enjoy your banana republic while it lasts.
(Mikael C
Let me tell you this,I am from nish,YOU serbs have taken my house,land... by force.
It is funny,how come a serb like you tell us (Illyrians) where we are from!!!!
DARDANIA has never been,it is not and NEVER will be a part of serbia.
DARDANIA has been occupied by Yugoslavia.Now got it back, we are free again(like the Eagle on the sky)and so we will stay forever,flying flying on the sky,freeee.
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"EU can't ask Serbia to recognize Kosovo"
-- Then Kosovo's reason as an independent state is invalidated. This is the EU's and the US's problem for thinking carving up territory wouldn't be problematic. It's their problem and they should find a solution: Daytonization, cantonization, international mandate, partition, whatever. It's painfully obvious the current solutuion isn't working, and it's absolute insantity to continue with the same attempted policy over and over again when previous attempts have failed.
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""May not" also means "may".
(Michael R., 19 February 2010 12:35)
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Regardless, the answer will alway be the same - no recognition and no NATO. Who do these people think we Serbian's are? Why should we give Kosovo away for worthless EU membership? We'll keep it thank you very much!
(Zoran, 19 February 2010 14:31) "
Zoran, it is not really about giving anything away - Kosovo is already away. Apart from some influence in the north, Serbia has no control of Kosovo.
It is more about accepting reality and moving on.
Neither Kosovo or Serbia will enter EU until there is acceptance between both.
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Can you accept that those living in the north should have a right to remain under Serbian rule.
(Jim, 19 February 2010 13:43)
Definitively YES.
Same goes for the Presheva valley that is Albanian.
The sovreignity of a country doesn't come form the number of tank it comes from vox populi.
Said that I salute Obama's meeting with Dalai Lama.
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The Ukraine is now facing East, soon so will Georgia then Serbia, Montenegro, FYROM and BiH. How long will Romania and Bulgaria want to stay on a sinking ship?
Basic human nature is greed. We all want a better life for ourselves and the feast in the West is pretty much finished, however, it is just beginning in the East. Get in early and prosper! :)
(Zoran, 19 February 2010 12:57)
Zoran, if EU (and US) are classified as a sinking ship then you should look for your “Eastern” ship right by where Titanic is (rests) now.
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Jim>
I just want to say somthing on here,the north should have the right to decide,stay within serbia or Kosova,and Albanian people from Presheva,Bujanovc,Medvexha..
should have the right to decide as well,whether they want to stay within Serbia or Kosova.This is the only way to give the end to the problems.
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So if EU wants to export stability should make to Serbia this simple question: Are you loved in Kosova??? ben
The territory of Kosovo and its churches are loved by Serbs. Not the people who are trying to destroy it. Albanians are immigrants to Kosovo and should be happy Serbs allowed you to stay there after your joining with the nazis. The entire territory of Kosovo is Serbian. It always has been and it always will be. Remember that! No peace without justice! Enjoy your banana republic while it lasts.
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So far Serbia has come a long way without being a EU member. Kosovo however will not last much longer without the feeling of being a real state. EU/America thought the Kosovo issue would go away quickly however now that they are pumping in billions of dollars into a black hole they will get irritated and worried that it is draging on. Joining the EU on behalf of giving away its most sactret land to immigrants should never be accepted. The EU needs Serbia more than the other way around. The EU are tired of hostile arab muslims so they would rather have Serbs amongst them then fanatical muslims. I was never for EU membership so if Serbia stays out of the EU is fine with me. When Serbs realize the pressure put on them for EU membership they will turn to mother Russia once again.
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(Jim, 19 February 2010 13:43)
Jim, why can’t we extend that right to Albanians in Presheve, Medvegje and Bujanoc then?
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"May not" also means "may".
(Michael R., 19 February 2010 12:35)
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Regardless, the answer will alway be the same - no recognition and no NATO. Who do these people think we Serbian's are? Why should we give Kosovo away for worthless EU membership? We'll keep it thank you very much!
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Ben - All well and good, but I take it that you would be willing then to extend the same understanding to those Serbs who don't wish to live under KA rule. Can you accept that those living in the north should have a right to remain under Serbian rule.
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"May not" also means "may".
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"He also clarified that the EU does not want to import problems but to export stability instead."
in the same 2 min discourse you read also:
[more or less] We will not ask from Serbia to recognize Kosova.
Now this should be very clear to everyone:
This is also confirmed by Serbs (I think for now it is the only thing in which Serbs and Albanians agree):
Albanians in Kosova have never been loyal to Yugo/Serbia.
The Prizren League Govt liberated entire Kosova and Macedonia from the Turks and got stabbed in the back by the west and Serbia.
During the 20s and 30s many many wars/fights between Albanians and Serbia.
The 2WW ended in Kosova in 1952/3.
The first demonstration for more autonomy (read independence) were organized during the mid 60s.
The Yugo constitution of 1974 relaxed somewhat the atmosphere but yet in the 70s the situation was tense and many demonstration took place.
In 1981 the great "intifada" in entire Kosova.
In 1989 other demonstrations and protests.
In 1991 declaration of independence.
In 1998/9 the big scale war
Now does this looks to you as ppl in Kosova want to live within Serbia???
Do you think that there was at least one period one generation that wanted to live within Serbia???
Do you think that this nation is passive and accepts the rule of Serbia passively without any resistance???
Do you think that tomorrow it will be different???
No way!
So if EU wants to export stability should make to Serbia this simple question: Are you loved in Kosova???
We all know the answer: NO.
So leave them alone- mind your own business.
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It starting to get clear to Serbia that without recognizing Kosovo there is no EU but we knew this all along. I just hope Serbia accepts Kosovos independence and we move forward looking to the future. I wish Serbia will look forward to go towards West not East but that's Serbias choice.
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"Maybe"....
What an exact term...
But read this:
"He also clarified that the EU does not want to import problems but to export stability instead."
And here he is exact. There will be no import of problems. So if Serbia cannot solve that issue (no matter how), there will be no EU. So, Belgrad must find a solution which is really acceptable for both sides. Well, for Albanians only independence, even when conditioned, is acceptable. Belgrad can't accept that? Well, then byebye EU. That's it.
I know that Radical Serbs will be happy and urge closer ties with other, but the truth is that this is only a sharade. Most of Serbs want to be in EU, even when some might not admit it. In the end, they want to live in peace and prosperity. There will be none of them as long as we have that tense situation in the Balkans.
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do I not properly remember comments not so long ago stating the the Kosovo issue and Serbia's EU aspirations were two completely different issues. I seem to remember numerous assurances that Serbia would never be asked to recognise before being allowed into EU. That being the case, this statement is a completely moot point, surely? Besides this, and notwithstanding the fact that the declaration is illegal anyway, the fact that there are current EU members that have not and will not recognise tells me that the EU can never request Serbia to recognise. If they make it a pre requisite for membership they will have to revoke membership of all those current members who have not recognised. This will never be acceptable. Is it not time for everyone concerned to read and understand the legalities of the "declaration of independance" and start to act accordingly? It will be interesting to see how, in the coming months, my own countries government seeks to reconcile its stance against Argentina and the Falklands with its stance on Albania and Kosovo. I wait with interest.
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The EU want countries to grovel for membership, when countries already in the club are deeply dissatisfied with their performance. They couldn't organise a piss up in a brewery.
And what if Serbia joins the EU and then at some point Kosovo is accepted as a separate member, even though the EU has not as a body recognised the UDI? I wouldn't put such attempts past the architects of the Kosovo project.
There have to be guarantees that this will not happen unless the status is negotiated with Serbia's approval.
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The more obstacles we have for joining the EU the better. The free trade agreement and visa free travel are enough. What other benefits can membership offer that justifies handing over our sovereignty?
Lets keep the balance between East and West just right. Unfortunately, this government leans too far to the West and we need the balance restored.
The Ukraine is now facing East, soon so will Georgia then Serbia, Montenegro, FYROM and BiH. How long will Romania and Bulgaria want to stay on a sinking ship?
Basic human nature is greed. We all want a better life for ourselves and the feast in the West is pretty much finished, however, it is just beginning in the East. Get in early and prosper! :)
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"He also clarified that the EU does not want to import problems but to export stability instead."
in the same 2 min discourse you read also:
[more or less] We will not ask from Serbia to recognize Kosova.
Now this should be very clear to everyone:
This is also confirmed by Serbs (I think for now it is the only thing in which Serbs and Albanians agree):
Albanians in Kosova have never been loyal to Yugo/Serbia.
The Prizren League Govt liberated entire Kosova and Macedonia from the Turks and got stabbed in the back by the west and Serbia.
During the 20s and 30s many many wars/fights between Albanians and Serbia.
The 2WW ended in Kosova in 1952/3.
The first demonstration for more autonomy (read independence) were organized during the mid 60s.
The Yugo constitution of 1974 relaxed somewhat the atmosphere but yet in the 70s the situation was tense and many demonstration took place.
In 1981 the great "intifada" in entire Kosova.
In 1989 other demonstrations and protests.
In 1991 declaration of independence.
In 1998/9 the big scale war
Now does this looks to you as ppl in Kosova want to live within Serbia???
Do you think that there was at least one period one generation that wanted to live within Serbia???
Do you think that this nation is passive and accepts the rule of Serbia passively without any resistance???
Do you think that tomorrow it will be different???
No way!
So if EU wants to export stability should make to Serbia this simple question: Are you loved in Kosova???
We all know the answer: NO.
So leave them alone- mind your own business.
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""May not" also means "may".
(Michael R., 19 February 2010 12:35)
--
Regardless, the answer will alway be the same - no recognition and no NATO. Who do these people think we Serbian's are? Why should we give Kosovo away for worthless EU membership? We'll keep it thank you very much!
(Zoran, 19 February 2010 14:31) "
Zoran, it is not really about giving anything away - Kosovo is already away. Apart from some influence in the north, Serbia has no control of Kosovo.
It is more about accepting reality and moving on.
Neither Kosovo or Serbia will enter EU until there is acceptance between both.
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The Ukraine is now facing East, soon so will Georgia then Serbia, Montenegro, FYROM and BiH. How long will Romania and Bulgaria want to stay on a sinking ship?
Basic human nature is greed. We all want a better life for ourselves and the feast in the West is pretty much finished, however, it is just beginning in the East. Get in early and prosper! :)
(Zoran, 19 February 2010 12:57)
Zoran, if EU (and US) are classified as a sinking ship then you should look for your “Eastern” ship right by where Titanic is (rests) now.
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Jim>
I just want to say somthing on here,the north should have the right to decide,stay within serbia or Kosova,and Albanian people from Presheva,Bujanovc,Medvexha..
should have the right to decide as well,whether they want to stay within Serbia or Kosova.This is the only way to give the end to the problems.
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Can you accept that those living in the north should have a right to remain under Serbian rule.
(Jim, 19 February 2010 13:43)
Definitively YES.
Same goes for the Presheva valley that is Albanian.
The sovreignity of a country doesn't come form the number of tank it comes from vox populi.
Said that I salute Obama's meeting with Dalai Lama.
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Albanians are immigrants to Kosovo and should be happy Serbs allowed you to stay there after your joining with the nazis. The entire territory of Kosovo is Serbian. It always has been and it always will be. Remember that! No peace without justice! Enjoy your banana republic while it lasts.
(Mikael C
Let me tell you this,I am from nish,YOU serbs have taken my house,land... by force.
It is funny,how come a serb like you tell us (Illyrians) where we are from!!!!
DARDANIA has never been,it is not and NEVER will be a part of serbia.
DARDANIA has been occupied by Yugoslavia.Now got it back, we are free again(like the Eagle on the sky)and so we will stay forever,flying flying on the sky,freeee.
pre 14 godina
The EU want countries to grovel for membership, when countries already in the club are deeply dissatisfied with their performance. They couldn't organise a piss up in a brewery.
And what if Serbia joins the EU and then at some point Kosovo is accepted as a separate member, even though the EU has not as a body recognised the UDI? I wouldn't put such attempts past the architects of the Kosovo project.
There have to be guarantees that this will not happen unless the status is negotiated with Serbia's approval.
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do I not properly remember comments not so long ago stating the the Kosovo issue and Serbia's EU aspirations were two completely different issues. I seem to remember numerous assurances that Serbia would never be asked to recognise before being allowed into EU. That being the case, this statement is a completely moot point, surely? Besides this, and notwithstanding the fact that the declaration is illegal anyway, the fact that there are current EU members that have not and will not recognise tells me that the EU can never request Serbia to recognise. If they make it a pre requisite for membership they will have to revoke membership of all those current members who have not recognised. This will never be acceptable. Is it not time for everyone concerned to read and understand the legalities of the "declaration of independance" and start to act accordingly? It will be interesting to see how, in the coming months, my own countries government seeks to reconcile its stance against Argentina and the Falklands with its stance on Albania and Kosovo. I wait with interest.
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It starting to get clear to Serbia that without recognizing Kosovo there is no EU but we knew this all along. I just hope Serbia accepts Kosovos independence and we move forward looking to the future. I wish Serbia will look forward to go towards West not East but that's Serbias choice.
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The more obstacles we have for joining the EU the better. The free trade agreement and visa free travel are enough. What other benefits can membership offer that justifies handing over our sovereignty?
Lets keep the balance between East and West just right. Unfortunately, this government leans too far to the West and we need the balance restored.
The Ukraine is now facing East, soon so will Georgia then Serbia, Montenegro, FYROM and BiH. How long will Romania and Bulgaria want to stay on a sinking ship?
Basic human nature is greed. We all want a better life for ourselves and the feast in the West is pretty much finished, however, it is just beginning in the East. Get in early and prosper! :)
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"Maybe"....
What an exact term...
But read this:
"He also clarified that the EU does not want to import problems but to export stability instead."
And here he is exact. There will be no import of problems. So if Serbia cannot solve that issue (no matter how), there will be no EU. So, Belgrad must find a solution which is really acceptable for both sides. Well, for Albanians only independence, even when conditioned, is acceptable. Belgrad can't accept that? Well, then byebye EU. That's it.
I know that Radical Serbs will be happy and urge closer ties with other, but the truth is that this is only a sharade. Most of Serbs want to be in EU, even when some might not admit it. In the end, they want to live in peace and prosperity. There will be none of them as long as we have that tense situation in the Balkans.
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Ben - All well and good, but I take it that you would be willing then to extend the same understanding to those Serbs who don't wish to live under KA rule. Can you accept that those living in the north should have a right to remain under Serbian rule.
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(Jim, 19 February 2010 13:43)
Jim, why can’t we extend that right to Albanians in Presheve, Medvegje and Bujanoc then?
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The EU will not ask Serbia to recognize Kosovo since Serbia already has secretly recognized Kosovo just to get on the white Shengen list. People that don't know that are just sheep.
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So far Serbia has come a long way without being a EU member. Kosovo however will not last much longer without the feeling of being a real state. EU/America thought the Kosovo issue would go away quickly however now that they are pumping in billions of dollars into a black hole they will get irritated and worried that it is draging on. Joining the EU on behalf of giving away its most sactret land to immigrants should never be accepted. The EU needs Serbia more than the other way around. The EU are tired of hostile arab muslims so they would rather have Serbs amongst them then fanatical muslims. I was never for EU membership so if Serbia stays out of the EU is fine with me. When Serbs realize the pressure put on them for EU membership they will turn to mother Russia once again.
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So if EU wants to export stability should make to Serbia this simple question: Are you loved in Kosova??? ben
The territory of Kosovo and its churches are loved by Serbs. Not the people who are trying to destroy it. Albanians are immigrants to Kosovo and should be happy Serbs allowed you to stay there after your joining with the nazis. The entire territory of Kosovo is Serbian. It always has been and it always will be. Remember that! No peace without justice! Enjoy your banana republic while it lasts.
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Five failing countries are holding Kosova hostage in EU visa liberalization and becoming a member of WHO. Not allowing Kosova to become a member of a Health organization is beyond vile on the part of Spain,Slovakia, Romania, Greece and Cyprus. These five countries have declared war not only on Kosova's peace and prosperity but of all Albanians.
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"May not" also means "may".
(Michael R., 19 February 2010 12:35)
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Regardless, the answer will alway be the same - no recognition and no NATO. Who do these people think we Serbian's are? Why should we give Kosovo away for worthless EU membership? We'll keep it thank you very much!
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"May not" also means "may".
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Five failing countries are holding Kosova hostage in EU visa liberalization and becoming a member of WHO. Not allowing Kosova to become a member of a Health organization is beyond vile on the part of Spain,Slovakia, Romania, Greece and Cyprus. These five countries have declared war not only on Kosova's peace and prosperity but of all Albanians.
(Bekim, 19 February 2010 19:08)
So, when can we expect Albanian troops to attack these countries?
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"DARDANIA has been occupied by Yugoslavia."
Me
Show some proof that daradia or what ever its called and its place in the Balkans? Surely there must be some articles about your ancient culture? Why aren't there any findings from that area? Because its a hoax! You use this excuse to steal someone elses land.
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"The European Union cannot request Serbia to recognize Kosovo, says an Austrian MEP."
And this is reality.
Let me tell you this,I am from nish,YOU serbs have taken my house,land... by force.
It is funny,how come a serb like you tell us (Illyrians) where we are from!!!!
DARDANIA has never been,it is not and NEVER will be a part of serbia.
DARDANIA has been occupied by Yugoslavia.Now got it back, we are free again(like the Eagle on the sky)and so we will stay forever,flying flying on the sky,freeee.
(Me, 19 February 2010 17:00)
Me - "Dardania" was province of ROMAN EMPIRE. Before Romans - here lived thraco-illyrians (not Illyrians!!) who were romanized during roman rule (from here comes some LATIN SPEAKING Roman imperators).
Descendants of romanized Illyrians are VLACHS. So - Albanians DON'T LIVED ON THE TERRITORY OF ROMAN PROVINCE "DARDANIA"!!
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1. Dardania,and Dardanian people are here on the land of eagle .
-- Where is that, next to the Land of Chocolate and Gumdrops?
2, I am free like an Eagle,and I am flying on my Dardanian land(not all,but soon I will fly on all the Illyrian Land).This is the dream I had for over 600 years,not asking for more.
-- How modest of you not to ask for anything more than the realization of a state that never existed. But on the other hand, if you're "free like an Eagle" or whatever that means, you should be able to go wherever you want. No one's stopping you except your own fantasies and prejudices. And possibly a passport. And money.
3. No,I can not live in Nish,because my house has been taken by serbs.Not just my house,but there are many others Albanians like me left with nothing.(and you know that very well).
-- But if you're "left with nothing", how can you be "free as an Eagle"? Maybe the Serbs did you a favor taking away your material possessions. Now you're free to spread your wings. Spread your Dardanian wings and FLYYYYYY!!!! (cue cheesy '80s montage music)
But seriously (and I am trying to be as serious as one can be given the comment I'm responding to), I don't recall Serbs ever needing to kick Albanians out of Nis. Maybe someone put an apartment bloc or a trafika on your spot while you were flying like an eagle and you have nowhere to land. Well, that’s what happens when one sits around for 600 years and dreams.
Do yourself a favor kiddo, lay off the sauce. You're a hoot, but lay off the sauce.
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"Apart from some influence in the north, Serbia has no control of Kosovo." (nikshala)
-- Apart from "some" influence? How about "complete" influence? That's like saying Albanians have "some" influence in Pristina. Serbs and Albanians have no control over their others' respective regions. Once both sides accept that as a starting point then perhaps a negotiated solution can manifest. Until that time, Pristina is just as guilty as Belgrade in thinking it can control that which it can't.
Me, wonderful chest thumping you've got there. Were you listening to Freebird when you were mashing out that comment? Tell me, where the Hell is Dardania? I've never seen it on any map, nor have I ever heard of it in history. Second, if you're that free, how come you guys can't move around without a visa? And no one's keeping you from living in Nis, but expect to speak Serbian when you're there. No one's going to take you seriously with that "Dardanian" silliness. I suspect you're just another little Diaspora nationalist with way too much time on his hands. The "Eagle" may fly, but if you're from the area, which I suspect you're not, you still need a Serbian biometric passport :)
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"EU can't ask Serbia to recognize Kosovo"
-- Then Kosovo's reason as an independent state is invalidated. This is the EU's and the US's problem for thinking carving up territory wouldn't be problematic. It's their problem and they should find a solution: Daytonization, cantonization, international mandate, partition, whatever. It's painfully obvious the current solutuion isn't working, and it's absolute insantity to continue with the same attempted policy over and over again when previous attempts have failed.
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The EU will not ask Serbia to recognize Kosovo since Serbia already has secretly recognized Kosovo just to get on the white Shengen list. People that don't know that are just sheep.
(lav1daloca, 19 February 2010 18:00)
Tell that to the Serbs (all 40-60,000) that control the north.
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Mr/Mrs Me, you come off as quite a troubled person. My family is from Nis, and I have never heard any of them ever mention the Dardanians, and they have been there for centuries. I am not quite sure what ancient civilizations have to do with modern geo-political situations anyway. All of us come from wondering tribes, that existed, inter-mingled, became extinct, or assimilated into other cultures. Are you trying to tell me that you, and your like, are pure Dardanians, that have been on the land of Southern Serbia since time began? There is not one ethnicity in the world that did not change lands, and at times drastically, in history. What is it with this Illyrian/Dardanian thing Albanians are trying to prove? Here is the bottom line, internationally recognized borders are that Kosovo belongs to the Serbian state. I know that is horrible for your ears, but that is what it is. The West is trying to pry Kosovo away from Serbian authority, and the Serbs are fighting to retain what is theirs ( I think Serbs have a little more recent history to this land, than some unproven tribal existence you imply). Let's all move into the 21st century where we live. It will make everything a lot easier to deal with and accept.
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dardania or whatever never existed as a country it was
mayby 2000years ago when it was a part of the roman empire and part of the provinces:illiria/moesia and macedonia
also kosovo never existed as a country and albania never exisited before 1912 when it was created by the western powers to prevent serbia acces to the sea if serbia had good relations with austo-hungaria then albania wouldnt even exsit and mayby there wouldnt even be WO1
And albanias are not illirians if they are then we serbo-croats are also illirians because the balkan is ethnically mixed even all of europe based on genetics
PS now u did this with kosovo are u planning on soing the same in greece/macedonia/montenegro/italy??
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(Mikael C
There is a lot of proof,but not for blind people like you.
(Mike,
1,
Dardania,and Dardanian people are here on the land of eagle .
2,
I am free like an Eagle,and I am flying on my Dardanian land(not all,but soon I will fly on all the Illyrian Land).This is the dream I had for over 600 years,not asking for more.
3,
No,I can not live in Nish,because my house has been taken by serbs.Not just my house,but there are many others Albanians like me left with nothing.(and you know that very well).
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Zoran, if EU (and US) are classified as a sinking ship then you should look for your “Eastern” ship right by where Titanic is (rests) now.
(Gjergj Fishta, 19 February 2010 14:06)
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Who built the Titanic?
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PS now u did this with kosovo are u planning on soing the same in greece/macedonia/montenegro/italy??
(steven, 20 February 2010 00:02)
Well,the answer is yes.
Albania it will be one,there is no need for more than one Country with the same people on it.(Italy is out of it).
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(Mike, 20 February 2010 01:03)
I am not going to wast much time here with you,today in Dardania are a lot of people from Nish that had to leave there house,and everything they had just to save there lives.GUBETINI,MACASTENA,LLUMNICA..etc etc etc.
Jusjt GUBETINI are about 300 houses now from nish.
Someone are telling us Illyrians(Albanians) are from Tirana,what a joke.
(svojgazda, 20 February 2010 01:44)
For you short one, here is the bottom line, the people of the place where they live must and WILL decide with who they want to live with,thats how it is in 21st century.
No one can do anything against that.Some one may say,what about serbs on the north,well this goes for serbs as well.
On the end,B92,does not want to show you some of my coments.
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svojgazda, excellent comment! All people migrated north from Africa and evolved characteristics to help them fit into their climates/contexts. Nobody was in Europe as far as anthropology knows since the beginning of time.
Let's review a bit of history and see why Albanians are creating these fairy tales. In the beginning of this crisis, the world was already media driven and the Bosnians, Croats, and Albanians used it to their advantage to drive Americans and Western European idealists to their side. Bombarding the media with horrific sights, they played on emotions that ended up in calls for swift action. At that time anything would go. I remember reading about how Serbs were illiterate murderers who played soccer with the heads of children they decapitated. They also ran massive rape camps and killed hundreds of thousand of innocent civilians for the sake of it. Only bombing could stop them from murdering all ALbanians! How weird that they actually bombed Serbia on an assumption that if they didn't Serbia would kill everyone, even though the history of the Balkan wars had already proven that Serbia wouldn't murder everyone in their path. How can I say this? Well, if they could have, why didn't they? After all, Serbs were surrounding Sarajevo for a long time and didn't go in and murder everyone when they could have at any time. Also, before the intervention, Serbs were in position to murder all Albanians, but they didn't. At any rate, these claims were running around unchecked and believed by virtually anyone who prefers not to think.
As time has moved on, the world has changed. Many high intellectuals now agree that the Balkan wars were a farce and a crime to break up Jugoslavia for various political and economic reasons. Yet, Albanians still believe these fairy tales will help their cause. To help with their claims, they've attempted to erase all traces of Serbian culture in Kosovo. Unfortunately for them, media technology has progressed far beyond where it was in the 1990s. The vast power of the internet has allowed more information to be available than ever before, and more intellectuals to state their points of view. With this, it has become possible to challenge these Albanian claims and now people, even those whom prefer not to think, are starting to see the light. So, Albanians of the world, enjoy your fairy tales and read them to your vast number of children (20 per couple?) at bedtime.
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Never mind,USA will ask them.
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1,
Dardania,and Dardanian people are here on the land of eagle .
2,
I am free like an Eagle,and I am flying on my Dardanian land(not all,but soon I will fly on all the Illyrian Land).This is the dream I had for over 600 years,not asking for more.
3,
No,I can not live in Nish,because my house has been taken by serbs.Not just my house,but there are many others Albanians like me left with nothing.(and you know that very well).
(Me, 19 February 2010 21:24)
Me - are You Vlach?? Becouse Vlachs are descendants of Dardanians who were ROMANIZED during Roman Empire rule.
P.S. with which nation of ancient Dardania You identify yourself?? Romanized Illyrians, Thracians, Celts (Yes my friend - here lived Celts), Romans, Germans (Yes my friend - Dardania was conquered by germanic tribes like Goths)??
So - are You Albanian??
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Serbia needs to stand firm on this.
Serbia joining the EU is not a favour to Serbia - particularly if Serbia is expected to sacrifice its territory to get there.
Neither should it be asked to.
The EU needs Serbia to join and will have failed if it pushes Serbia into an unacceptable corner. Serbia is complying very (arguably too) well, but there are limits to what should be expected.
As for Kosovo - forget it. It will not be possible for both Kosovo as a udi and Serbia proper to be in the EU together. Serbia should not sit at the same tables or be asked to do so.
udi Kosovo will have to be represented by some other body that does its work for it. That is not so different from the current situation in all other respects.
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so long as serbia does not recognize kosovo... it will NEVER see EU admittance.
so long as it insists that it admittingly has no control or authority over a huge portion of its terriorty (kosovo) with millions that scoff at the idea that serbian govt. in any way represents them.
It is Guaranteed that Serbia simply does not qualify for EU membership.
the reality is, the eu has both fingers up serbias collective nose and is slowly drawing the problem child into civilization.... serbia will eventually recognize kosovo... all the "never" lipservice is being paid to keep in line the rabid nationalist minority in serbia.
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Me,I really don't know what eagle you are talking about.The only birds that I saw in Kosovo are the crows.And what do crows do?They feed on corpses and on trash.
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Come on B92 what's wrong with Anatolian buzzards anyway. In some parts of the world , like here, they can be called Dardanian eagles.
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'In his last week's address to the EO members in Strasbourg, Svoboda also said that “no one knows the formula for Serbia's accession in the EU without recognizing the independence of Kosovo” and “it will be a difficult diplomatic formula, which Serbia has to find.”'
Well, if anyone was ever in doubt about the crookedness and totalitarian bent of the EU, there you have it in a nutshell.
I know of no other international organisation to be as liary, conniving, corrupt and sinister as the EU.
It cannot possibly last.
MB,Ireland
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These are classical diplomatic games. On one side he is says EU can't ask Serbia to recognize Kosovo but on the other he is saying that without soling the problem Serbia can't join EU. Which in other words means that we won't do it in a way that would frustrate anyone, but will do it in a more well though manner by giving you no other options and asking you to make gradual progress towards it.
Doesn't this tell you something: "He also clarified that the EU does not want to import problems but to export stability instead."
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We can all rest assured that all EU states recognise Serbia. Whereas Kosova is only partially recognised by some. Thaci has led Kosova and its supporters nowhere. If I were Albanian I would swap allegiance to Serbia
and look for autonomy and not independence. Lets face it Thaci has failed to deliver.
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Some K-albanians are prepared to let the north on the basis that people don't want to be part of an independent kosovo.
Using the same argument they suggest that the presevo valley should form part of kosovo.
Using the same argument as them, shouldn't we exempt strpce from kosovo?
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So if EU wants to export stability should make to Serbia this simple question: Are you loved in Kosova??? ben
The territory of Kosovo and its churches are loved by Serbs. Not the people who are trying to destroy it. Albanians are immigrants to Kosovo and should be happy Serbs allowed you to stay there after your joining with the nazis. The entire territory of Kosovo is Serbian. It always has been and it always will be. Remember that! No peace without justice! Enjoy your banana republic while it lasts.
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"He also clarified that the EU does not want to import problems but to export stability instead."
in the same 2 min discourse you read also:
[more or less] We will not ask from Serbia to recognize Kosova.
Now this should be very clear to everyone:
This is also confirmed by Serbs (I think for now it is the only thing in which Serbs and Albanians agree):
Albanians in Kosova have never been loyal to Yugo/Serbia.
The Prizren League Govt liberated entire Kosova and Macedonia from the Turks and got stabbed in the back by the west and Serbia.
During the 20s and 30s many many wars/fights between Albanians and Serbia.
The 2WW ended in Kosova in 1952/3.
The first demonstration for more autonomy (read independence) were organized during the mid 60s.
The Yugo constitution of 1974 relaxed somewhat the atmosphere but yet in the 70s the situation was tense and many demonstration took place.
In 1981 the great "intifada" in entire Kosova.
In 1989 other demonstrations and protests.
In 1991 declaration of independence.
In 1998/9 the big scale war
Now does this looks to you as ppl in Kosova want to live within Serbia???
Do you think that there was at least one period one generation that wanted to live within Serbia???
Do you think that this nation is passive and accepts the rule of Serbia passively without any resistance???
Do you think that tomorrow it will be different???
No way!
So if EU wants to export stability should make to Serbia this simple question: Are you loved in Kosova???
We all know the answer: NO.
So leave them alone- mind your own business.
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"The European Union cannot request Serbia to recognize Kosovo, says an Austrian MEP."
And this is reality.
Let me tell you this,I am from nish,YOU serbs have taken my house,land... by force.
It is funny,how come a serb like you tell us (Illyrians) where we are from!!!!
DARDANIA has never been,it is not and NEVER will be a part of serbia.
DARDANIA has been occupied by Yugoslavia.Now got it back, we are free again(like the Eagle on the sky)and so we will stay forever,flying flying on the sky,freeee.
(Me, 19 February 2010 17:00)
Me - "Dardania" was province of ROMAN EMPIRE. Before Romans - here lived thraco-illyrians (not Illyrians!!) who were romanized during roman rule (from here comes some LATIN SPEAKING Roman imperators).
Descendants of romanized Illyrians are VLACHS. So - Albanians DON'T LIVED ON THE TERRITORY OF ROMAN PROVINCE "DARDANIA"!!
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So far Serbia has come a long way without being a EU member. Kosovo however will not last much longer without the feeling of being a real state. EU/America thought the Kosovo issue would go away quickly however now that they are pumping in billions of dollars into a black hole they will get irritated and worried that it is draging on. Joining the EU on behalf of giving away its most sactret land to immigrants should never be accepted. The EU needs Serbia more than the other way around. The EU are tired of hostile arab muslims so they would rather have Serbs amongst them then fanatical muslims. I was never for EU membership so if Serbia stays out of the EU is fine with me. When Serbs realize the pressure put on them for EU membership they will turn to mother Russia once again.
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It starting to get clear to Serbia that without recognizing Kosovo there is no EU but we knew this all along. I just hope Serbia accepts Kosovos independence and we move forward looking to the future. I wish Serbia will look forward to go towards West not East but that's Serbias choice.
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The more obstacles we have for joining the EU the better. The free trade agreement and visa free travel are enough. What other benefits can membership offer that justifies handing over our sovereignty?
Lets keep the balance between East and West just right. Unfortunately, this government leans too far to the West and we need the balance restored.
The Ukraine is now facing East, soon so will Georgia then Serbia, Montenegro, FYROM and BiH. How long will Romania and Bulgaria want to stay on a sinking ship?
Basic human nature is greed. We all want a better life for ourselves and the feast in the West is pretty much finished, however, it is just beginning in the East. Get in early and prosper! :)
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"Maybe"....
What an exact term...
But read this:
"He also clarified that the EU does not want to import problems but to export stability instead."
And here he is exact. There will be no import of problems. So if Serbia cannot solve that issue (no matter how), there will be no EU. So, Belgrad must find a solution which is really acceptable for both sides. Well, for Albanians only independence, even when conditioned, is acceptable. Belgrad can't accept that? Well, then byebye EU. That's it.
I know that Radical Serbs will be happy and urge closer ties with other, but the truth is that this is only a sharade. Most of Serbs want to be in EU, even when some might not admit it. In the end, they want to live in peace and prosperity. There will be none of them as long as we have that tense situation in the Balkans.
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"May not" also means "may".
(Michael R., 19 February 2010 12:35)
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Regardless, the answer will alway be the same - no recognition and no NATO. Who do these people think we Serbian's are? Why should we give Kosovo away for worthless EU membership? We'll keep it thank you very much!
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"DARDANIA has been occupied by Yugoslavia."
Me
Show some proof that daradia or what ever its called and its place in the Balkans? Surely there must be some articles about your ancient culture? Why aren't there any findings from that area? Because its a hoax! You use this excuse to steal someone elses land.
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"EU can't ask Serbia to recognize Kosovo"
-- Then Kosovo's reason as an independent state is invalidated. This is the EU's and the US's problem for thinking carving up territory wouldn't be problematic. It's their problem and they should find a solution: Daytonization, cantonization, international mandate, partition, whatever. It's painfully obvious the current solutuion isn't working, and it's absolute insantity to continue with the same attempted policy over and over again when previous attempts have failed.
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"Apart from some influence in the north, Serbia has no control of Kosovo." (nikshala)
-- Apart from "some" influence? How about "complete" influence? That's like saying Albanians have "some" influence in Pristina. Serbs and Albanians have no control over their others' respective regions. Once both sides accept that as a starting point then perhaps a negotiated solution can manifest. Until that time, Pristina is just as guilty as Belgrade in thinking it can control that which it can't.
Me, wonderful chest thumping you've got there. Were you listening to Freebird when you were mashing out that comment? Tell me, where the Hell is Dardania? I've never seen it on any map, nor have I ever heard of it in history. Second, if you're that free, how come you guys can't move around without a visa? And no one's keeping you from living in Nis, but expect to speak Serbian when you're there. No one's going to take you seriously with that "Dardanian" silliness. I suspect you're just another little Diaspora nationalist with way too much time on his hands. The "Eagle" may fly, but if you're from the area, which I suspect you're not, you still need a Serbian biometric passport :)
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The EU want countries to grovel for membership, when countries already in the club are deeply dissatisfied with their performance. They couldn't organise a piss up in a brewery.
And what if Serbia joins the EU and then at some point Kosovo is accepted as a separate member, even though the EU has not as a body recognised the UDI? I wouldn't put such attempts past the architects of the Kosovo project.
There have to be guarantees that this will not happen unless the status is negotiated with Serbia's approval.
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The EU will not ask Serbia to recognize Kosovo since Serbia already has secretly recognized Kosovo just to get on the white Shengen list. People that don't know that are just sheep.
(lav1daloca, 19 February 2010 18:00)
Tell that to the Serbs (all 40-60,000) that control the north.
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(Jim, 19 February 2010 13:43)
Jim, why can’t we extend that right to Albanians in Presheve, Medvegje and Bujanoc then?
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Jim>
I just want to say somthing on here,the north should have the right to decide,stay within serbia or Kosova,and Albanian people from Presheva,Bujanovc,Medvexha..
should have the right to decide as well,whether they want to stay within Serbia or Kosova.This is the only way to give the end to the problems.
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The Ukraine is now facing East, soon so will Georgia then Serbia, Montenegro, FYROM and BiH. How long will Romania and Bulgaria want to stay on a sinking ship?
Basic human nature is greed. We all want a better life for ourselves and the feast in the West is pretty much finished, however, it is just beginning in the East. Get in early and prosper! :)
(Zoran, 19 February 2010 12:57)
Zoran, if EU (and US) are classified as a sinking ship then you should look for your “Eastern” ship right by where Titanic is (rests) now.
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""May not" also means "may".
(Michael R., 19 February 2010 12:35)
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Regardless, the answer will alway be the same - no recognition and no NATO. Who do these people think we Serbian's are? Why should we give Kosovo away for worthless EU membership? We'll keep it thank you very much!
(Zoran, 19 February 2010 14:31) "
Zoran, it is not really about giving anything away - Kosovo is already away. Apart from some influence in the north, Serbia has no control of Kosovo.
It is more about accepting reality and moving on.
Neither Kosovo or Serbia will enter EU until there is acceptance between both.
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Albanians are immigrants to Kosovo and should be happy Serbs allowed you to stay there after your joining with the nazis. The entire territory of Kosovo is Serbian. It always has been and it always will be. Remember that! No peace without justice! Enjoy your banana republic while it lasts.
(Mikael C
Let me tell you this,I am from nish,YOU serbs have taken my house,land... by force.
It is funny,how come a serb like you tell us (Illyrians) where we are from!!!!
DARDANIA has never been,it is not and NEVER will be a part of serbia.
DARDANIA has been occupied by Yugoslavia.Now got it back, we are free again(like the Eagle on the sky)and so we will stay forever,flying flying on the sky,freeee.
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do I not properly remember comments not so long ago stating the the Kosovo issue and Serbia's EU aspirations were two completely different issues. I seem to remember numerous assurances that Serbia would never be asked to recognise before being allowed into EU. That being the case, this statement is a completely moot point, surely? Besides this, and notwithstanding the fact that the declaration is illegal anyway, the fact that there are current EU members that have not and will not recognise tells me that the EU can never request Serbia to recognise. If they make it a pre requisite for membership they will have to revoke membership of all those current members who have not recognised. This will never be acceptable. Is it not time for everyone concerned to read and understand the legalities of the "declaration of independance" and start to act accordingly? It will be interesting to see how, in the coming months, my own countries government seeks to reconcile its stance against Argentina and the Falklands with its stance on Albania and Kosovo. I wait with interest.
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Can you accept that those living in the north should have a right to remain under Serbian rule.
(Jim, 19 February 2010 13:43)
Definitively YES.
Same goes for the Presheva valley that is Albanian.
The sovreignity of a country doesn't come form the number of tank it comes from vox populi.
Said that I salute Obama's meeting with Dalai Lama.
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Five failing countries are holding Kosova hostage in EU visa liberalization and becoming a member of WHO. Not allowing Kosova to become a member of a Health organization is beyond vile on the part of Spain,Slovakia, Romania, Greece and Cyprus. These five countries have declared war not only on Kosova's peace and prosperity but of all Albanians.
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Ben - All well and good, but I take it that you would be willing then to extend the same understanding to those Serbs who don't wish to live under KA rule. Can you accept that those living in the north should have a right to remain under Serbian rule.
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Five failing countries are holding Kosova hostage in EU visa liberalization and becoming a member of WHO. Not allowing Kosova to become a member of a Health organization is beyond vile on the part of Spain,Slovakia, Romania, Greece and Cyprus. These five countries have declared war not only on Kosova's peace and prosperity but of all Albanians.
(Bekim, 19 February 2010 19:08)
So, when can we expect Albanian troops to attack these countries?
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1. Dardania,and Dardanian people are here on the land of eagle .
-- Where is that, next to the Land of Chocolate and Gumdrops?
2, I am free like an Eagle,and I am flying on my Dardanian land(not all,but soon I will fly on all the Illyrian Land).This is the dream I had for over 600 years,not asking for more.
-- How modest of you not to ask for anything more than the realization of a state that never existed. But on the other hand, if you're "free like an Eagle" or whatever that means, you should be able to go wherever you want. No one's stopping you except your own fantasies and prejudices. And possibly a passport. And money.
3. No,I can not live in Nish,because my house has been taken by serbs.Not just my house,but there are many others Albanians like me left with nothing.(and you know that very well).
-- But if you're "left with nothing", how can you be "free as an Eagle"? Maybe the Serbs did you a favor taking away your material possessions. Now you're free to spread your wings. Spread your Dardanian wings and FLYYYYYY!!!! (cue cheesy '80s montage music)
But seriously (and I am trying to be as serious as one can be given the comment I'm responding to), I don't recall Serbs ever needing to kick Albanians out of Nis. Maybe someone put an apartment bloc or a trafika on your spot while you were flying like an eagle and you have nowhere to land. Well, that’s what happens when one sits around for 600 years and dreams.
Do yourself a favor kiddo, lay off the sauce. You're a hoot, but lay off the sauce.
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svojgazda, excellent comment! All people migrated north from Africa and evolved characteristics to help them fit into their climates/contexts. Nobody was in Europe as far as anthropology knows since the beginning of time.
Let's review a bit of history and see why Albanians are creating these fairy tales. In the beginning of this crisis, the world was already media driven and the Bosnians, Croats, and Albanians used it to their advantage to drive Americans and Western European idealists to their side. Bombarding the media with horrific sights, they played on emotions that ended up in calls for swift action. At that time anything would go. I remember reading about how Serbs were illiterate murderers who played soccer with the heads of children they decapitated. They also ran massive rape camps and killed hundreds of thousand of innocent civilians for the sake of it. Only bombing could stop them from murdering all ALbanians! How weird that they actually bombed Serbia on an assumption that if they didn't Serbia would kill everyone, even though the history of the Balkan wars had already proven that Serbia wouldn't murder everyone in their path. How can I say this? Well, if they could have, why didn't they? After all, Serbs were surrounding Sarajevo for a long time and didn't go in and murder everyone when they could have at any time. Also, before the intervention, Serbs were in position to murder all Albanians, but they didn't. At any rate, these claims were running around unchecked and believed by virtually anyone who prefers not to think.
As time has moved on, the world has changed. Many high intellectuals now agree that the Balkan wars were a farce and a crime to break up Jugoslavia for various political and economic reasons. Yet, Albanians still believe these fairy tales will help their cause. To help with their claims, they've attempted to erase all traces of Serbian culture in Kosovo. Unfortunately for them, media technology has progressed far beyond where it was in the 1990s. The vast power of the internet has allowed more information to be available than ever before, and more intellectuals to state their points of view. With this, it has become possible to challenge these Albanian claims and now people, even those whom prefer not to think, are starting to see the light. So, Albanians of the world, enjoy your fairy tales and read them to your vast number of children (20 per couple?) at bedtime.
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"May not" also means "may".
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The EU will not ask Serbia to recognize Kosovo since Serbia already has secretly recognized Kosovo just to get on the white Shengen list. People that don't know that are just sheep.
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(Mikael C
There is a lot of proof,but not for blind people like you.
(Mike,
1,
Dardania,and Dardanian people are here on the land of eagle .
2,
I am free like an Eagle,and I am flying on my Dardanian land(not all,but soon I will fly on all the Illyrian Land).This is the dream I had for over 600 years,not asking for more.
3,
No,I can not live in Nish,because my house has been taken by serbs.Not just my house,but there are many others Albanians like me left with nothing.(and you know that very well).
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Zoran, if EU (and US) are classified as a sinking ship then you should look for your “Eastern” ship right by where Titanic is (rests) now.
(Gjergj Fishta, 19 February 2010 14:06)
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Who built the Titanic?
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dardania or whatever never existed as a country it was
mayby 2000years ago when it was a part of the roman empire and part of the provinces:illiria/moesia and macedonia
also kosovo never existed as a country and albania never exisited before 1912 when it was created by the western powers to prevent serbia acces to the sea if serbia had good relations with austo-hungaria then albania wouldnt even exsit and mayby there wouldnt even be WO1
And albanias are not illirians if they are then we serbo-croats are also illirians because the balkan is ethnically mixed even all of europe based on genetics
PS now u did this with kosovo are u planning on soing the same in greece/macedonia/montenegro/italy??
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1,
Dardania,and Dardanian people are here on the land of eagle .
2,
I am free like an Eagle,and I am flying on my Dardanian land(not all,but soon I will fly on all the Illyrian Land).This is the dream I had for over 600 years,not asking for more.
3,
No,I can not live in Nish,because my house has been taken by serbs.Not just my house,but there are many others Albanians like me left with nothing.(and you know that very well).
(Me, 19 February 2010 21:24)
Me - are You Vlach?? Becouse Vlachs are descendants of Dardanians who were ROMANIZED during Roman Empire rule.
P.S. with which nation of ancient Dardania You identify yourself?? Romanized Illyrians, Thracians, Celts (Yes my friend - here lived Celts), Romans, Germans (Yes my friend - Dardania was conquered by germanic tribes like Goths)??
So - are You Albanian??
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Serbia needs to stand firm on this.
Serbia joining the EU is not a favour to Serbia - particularly if Serbia is expected to sacrifice its territory to get there.
Neither should it be asked to.
The EU needs Serbia to join and will have failed if it pushes Serbia into an unacceptable corner. Serbia is complying very (arguably too) well, but there are limits to what should be expected.
As for Kosovo - forget it. It will not be possible for both Kosovo as a udi and Serbia proper to be in the EU together. Serbia should not sit at the same tables or be asked to do so.
udi Kosovo will have to be represented by some other body that does its work for it. That is not so different from the current situation in all other respects.
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Me,I really don't know what eagle you are talking about.The only birds that I saw in Kosovo are the crows.And what do crows do?They feed on corpses and on trash.
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Mr/Mrs Me, you come off as quite a troubled person. My family is from Nis, and I have never heard any of them ever mention the Dardanians, and they have been there for centuries. I am not quite sure what ancient civilizations have to do with modern geo-political situations anyway. All of us come from wondering tribes, that existed, inter-mingled, became extinct, or assimilated into other cultures. Are you trying to tell me that you, and your like, are pure Dardanians, that have been on the land of Southern Serbia since time began? There is not one ethnicity in the world that did not change lands, and at times drastically, in history. What is it with this Illyrian/Dardanian thing Albanians are trying to prove? Here is the bottom line, internationally recognized borders are that Kosovo belongs to the Serbian state. I know that is horrible for your ears, but that is what it is. The West is trying to pry Kosovo away from Serbian authority, and the Serbs are fighting to retain what is theirs ( I think Serbs have a little more recent history to this land, than some unproven tribal existence you imply). Let's all move into the 21st century where we live. It will make everything a lot easier to deal with and accept.
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so long as serbia does not recognize kosovo... it will NEVER see EU admittance.
so long as it insists that it admittingly has no control or authority over a huge portion of its terriorty (kosovo) with millions that scoff at the idea that serbian govt. in any way represents them.
It is Guaranteed that Serbia simply does not qualify for EU membership.
the reality is, the eu has both fingers up serbias collective nose and is slowly drawing the problem child into civilization.... serbia will eventually recognize kosovo... all the "never" lipservice is being paid to keep in line the rabid nationalist minority in serbia.
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Never mind,USA will ask them.
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Come on B92 what's wrong with Anatolian buzzards anyway. In some parts of the world , like here, they can be called Dardanian eagles.
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(Mike, 20 February 2010 01:03)
I am not going to wast much time here with you,today in Dardania are a lot of people from Nish that had to leave there house,and everything they had just to save there lives.GUBETINI,MACASTENA,LLUMNICA..etc etc etc.
Jusjt GUBETINI are about 300 houses now from nish.
Someone are telling us Illyrians(Albanians) are from Tirana,what a joke.
(svojgazda, 20 February 2010 01:44)
For you short one, here is the bottom line, the people of the place where they live must and WILL decide with who they want to live with,thats how it is in 21st century.
No one can do anything against that.Some one may say,what about serbs on the north,well this goes for serbs as well.
On the end,B92,does not want to show you some of my coments.
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PS now u did this with kosovo are u planning on soing the same in greece/macedonia/montenegro/italy??
(steven, 20 February 2010 00:02)
Well,the answer is yes.
Albania it will be one,there is no need for more than one Country with the same people on it.(Italy is out of it).
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We can all rest assured that all EU states recognise Serbia. Whereas Kosova is only partially recognised by some. Thaci has led Kosova and its supporters nowhere. If I were Albanian I would swap allegiance to Serbia
and look for autonomy and not independence. Lets face it Thaci has failed to deliver.
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'In his last week's address to the EO members in Strasbourg, Svoboda also said that “no one knows the formula for Serbia's accession in the EU without recognizing the independence of Kosovo” and “it will be a difficult diplomatic formula, which Serbia has to find.”'
Well, if anyone was ever in doubt about the crookedness and totalitarian bent of the EU, there you have it in a nutshell.
I know of no other international organisation to be as liary, conniving, corrupt and sinister as the EU.
It cannot possibly last.
MB,Ireland
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Some K-albanians are prepared to let the north on the basis that people don't want to be part of an independent kosovo.
Using the same argument they suggest that the presevo valley should form part of kosovo.
Using the same argument as them, shouldn't we exempt strpce from kosovo?
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These are classical diplomatic games. On one side he is says EU can't ask Serbia to recognize Kosovo but on the other he is saying that without soling the problem Serbia can't join EU. Which in other words means that we won't do it in a way that would frustrate anyone, but will do it in a more well though manner by giving you no other options and asking you to make gradual progress towards it.
Doesn't this tell you something: "He also clarified that the EU does not want to import problems but to export stability instead."
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