Monday, 15.02.2010.
17:20
The Kosovo Albanian government in Priština foreign minister says that Greece is "moving toward recognizing Kosovo's independence".
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pre 14 godina
I think you'll find Kosovari, that near enough every Balkan state is surrounded by enemies on all sides.
And like you say, if the Turks couldn't take Kosovo from Serbia, what chance do you have of making this stick?
pre 14 godina
Wow, I see... definitely we Albanians are surrounded with enemies from all sides. Remember that Israel was attacked from three sides, Syria, Egypt and Jordan, but in the end they all lost to Israel, and Israel took over almost half of Egypt, and highlands of Syria (still under Israel). So do be so sure about this, if you had accepted that deal from Milosevic, you would have now lived in your tiny islands. There is nothing during the history of mankind that managed to take the holy land of Albanians away, turks tried for 500 years, Romans tried that too, but they all lost.
We might be a tiny nation, but we will never give up an inch of our territory, Kosovo is a good example.
Any you can have a common border with Serbs once you meet each other in Russia, where you both came form.
(kosovari, 17 February 2010 17:39)
Sorry kosovari - You Albanians are not like Israel. Show me man, when Kosovo was part of ANY albanian state, and tell me what albanian ruler ruled in Kosovo 500 years ago.
Yes my friend - this is a brutal thruth - Kosovo was NEVER part of any independent albanian state (despite fascist italian puppet during WW II). Kosovo is not holy albanian land - but serbian holy land, where is masterpieces of serbian architecture, where are burned the most powerful rulers of Serbia and where is real religious soul of Serbia. This is serbian land.
Bravo Greece!!!!
pre 14 godina
I speak on behalf of the majority of Greek Australians who are more patriotic and as such nationalistic than the Greeks of Greece. We Greek Australians in principal do not wish the recognistion of Kosovo as an idependent country for the simple reason that Kosovo = Serbia and vis versa. The treachous sold out Greek government of PASOK supported by New Democracy and communist parties Syriza and KKE will eventually recognise Kosovo for political reasons.
However,the recognistion of Kosovo by the sold out Greek government won't be on the basis of because; Serbia was one of the first to recognise FYROM as Macedonia and there fore we the Greeks are returning you the favour - in truth, they couldn't care less but rather it is the Jewish Zionist who dictate the agenda for the Balkans.If Mitsotakis of New Democracy back in 1992 had taken up the offer from Milosivic win dividing up FYROM to the point where Grecece and Serbia would be sharing borders, then none of this problem of Kosovo and FYROM would exist and the Albanian UCK and Skopijan clowns would know very well that if they messed with Greece and or Serbia, they would be kicked up,real quick and smart.
(Constantinos Kyriakopoulos, 17 February 2010 05:38)
Wow, I see... definitely we Albanians are surrounded with enemies from all sides. Remember that Israel was attacked from three sides, Syria, Egypt and Jordan, but in the end they all lost to Israel, and Israel took over almost half of Egypt, and highlands of Syria (still under Israel). So do be so sure about this, if you had accepted that deal from Milosevic, you would have now lived in your tiny islands. There is nothing during the history of mankind that managed to take the holy land of Albanians away, turks tried for 500 years, Romans tried that too, but they all lost.
We might be a tiny nation, but we will never give up an inch of our territory, Kosovo is a good example.
Any you can have a common border with Serbs once you meet each other in Russia, where you both came form.
pre 14 godina
The treachous sold out Greek government of PASOK supported by New Democracy and communist parties Syriza and KKE will eventually recognise Kosovo for political reasons.
However,the recognistion of Kosovo by the sold out Greek government won't be on the basis of because; Serbia was one of the first to recognise FYROM as Macedonia and there fore we the Greeks are returning you the favour - in truth, they couldn't care less but rather it is the Jewish Zionist who dictate the agenda for the Balkans.If Mitsotakis of New Democracy back in 1992 had taken up the offer from Milosivic win dividing up FYROM to the point where Grecece and Serbia would be sharing borders, then none of this problem of Kosovo and FYROM would exist and the Albanian UCK and Skopijan clowns would know very well that if they messed with Greece and or Serbia, they would be kicked up,real quick and smart.
(Constantinos Kyriakopoulos, 17 February 2010 05:38)
Now before you mouth off any further nonsense, let me clarify a couple of things with you. 1) The KKE doesnt support the PASOK government of Papandreou, 2) The KKE does not support the US imperialist agenda in the Balkans, i.e. Pristina's UDD. In fact on many ocassions KKE MEPs have spoken out against Kosovo's UDD in the Euro Parliament and voted against the Christian Democrat/Liberal resolution which called on MEPs to support the Pristina's UDD.
3) Milosevic never offered any deal to Athens about partioning Macedonia. Yugoslavia recognised Macedonia's independence declaration in October 1991 and the JNA withdrew the following month.
pre 14 godina
Albanian posters here should watch what they say about the Greek debt issue. Just yesterday, there was an article about the West wanting Kosovo to start supporting itself instead of relying on foreign aid to run the government. There is no economy in this "country". Your government is begging for money because everyone avoids paying taxes. Walk into a store downtown and notice that the register is never running. Money is swapped out of a drawer below the register. And the majority of your corrupt politicians live opulent lifestyles with highly paid salaries. Sediju is paid more than any other president in the former Yugoslavia while the average government employee makes less than €300 a month! There will be some pressure, but on Kosovo, not Greece. Greece, a Euro zone member whose economy affects the value of the Euro, is in a better bargaining position than Kosovo, which is basically a beggar nation.
I wouldn’t listen to your politicians too much. Two years later, only 65 countries have recognized your “country”. And he can’t say that other EU countries are going to exert pressure when he isn’t an EU member or spokesperson. EU before 2020? The EU learned about what happens when you let countries with uncontrolled corruption into the EU when it let Romania and Bulgaria enter. Plus, no economy and failing to live up to EU standards will keep you out.
pre 14 godina
I speak on behalf of the majority of Greek Australians who are more patriotic and as such nationalistic than the Greeks of Greece. We Greek Australians in principal do not wish the recognistion of Kosovo as an idependent country for the simple reason that Kosovo = Serbia and vis versa. The treachous sold out Greek government of PASOK supported by New Democracy and communist parties Syriza and KKE will eventually recognise Kosovo for political reasons.
However,the recognistion of Kosovo by the sold out Greek government won't be on the basis of because; Serbia was one of the first to recognise FYROM as Macedonia and there fore we the Greeks are returning you the favour - in truth, they couldn't care less but rather it is the Jewish Zionist who dictate the agenda for the Balkans.If Mitsotakis of New Democracy back in 1992 had taken up the offer from Milosivic win dividing up FYROM to the point where Grecece and Serbia would be sharing borders, then none of this problem of Kosovo and FYROM would exist and the Albanian UCK and Skopijan clowns would know very well that if they messed with Greece and or Serbia, they would be kicked up,real quick and smart.
pre 14 godina
It seems that there is a bit of misunderstanding around here when we even mention the words "independence" and "succession". Let me make this very simple and clear:
To "succeed" successfully, you have to DO IT 110% ON YOUR OWN!!! If anyone else helps you, you are essentially tied to them to some degree and are therefore just that much less independent. In the case of Kosovo this alone strips it of most (if not all) of it's sovereignty.
Here is a good analogy. Let's pretend Serbia is a family composed of a husband, a wife, and two songs - one teenager, one adult. The teenage kid decides to move out and go solo as he is no longer happy staying with the family. Now that kid is a teenager, so he doesn't have really any income, very little protection and little connections... where will he go??
Now if that kid were to one day get food and shelter from another adult (USA and NATO) that kid feels he is really independent. He feels he is making it on his own but little does he know, nothing is free and this adult is going to want something in return for his troubles sooner or later. The kid still doesn't know what the price of this help is or could be.
So you see this whole Kosovo succession business is nothing more than the same analogy of a teenage run-away. He is bound to return home either on his own or someone will return him to the parents. The key portion of the premise is the word "teenager" because Kosovo is simply too poor and immature to succeed on its own. Vojvodina is the adult kid - good income level, militarily sound and many connections.
pre 14 godina
Go ahead Papeandrou, recognise. If you want riots on every street. I think you'll find more Serbs that support Kosovo's independence than Greeks.
pre 14 godina
Yawn....I don't understand why anyone has to repeat they are independent every day for 2 years. I don't hear Montenegrins coming here proclaiming their independence on a daily basis. I wonder why that is?
(Zoran, 15 February 2010 17:49)
zoran,
they are not at the same thing and i'm pretty sure you realize it.
pre 14 godina
It the EU that is under pressure because the Greek economy could pull the European economy under.
Greece has always had good relations with Serbia and I hope that it will maintain its relationship in positive terms.
For Greece to recognise Kosovo as would be a sign of incredible political weakness and would be against the heart of what the Greek people would want.
I would think too that recognising Kosovo would help open up issues with Macedonia. Not something that Greece wants.
Finally, if the EU were to bring pressure on Greece it would be contrary to the spirit of Europe. Greece did not join the EU to be ruled from elsewhere. It joined a community of nations.
Bringing pressure (rather than behaving as a community) is what will likely eventually destroy the EU.
pre 14 godina
"He went on to WARN the five EU countries that have not recognized Kosovo – Greece, Spain, Cyprus, Slovakia, and Romania – that "they can expect friendly pressure to do so" from other member-states, and singled out Greece as "particularly moving in that direction"
LOL
One might think these are the words of a president of a great power and not a wannabee albanian thugster from our southern serbian province...
Greece will not submit to any pressure and the EU will not even exert pressure on Greece!
Why?
Because it would show everybody that the bigger EU countries like Germany want to pressure smaller countries in the EU by political motivated economic help.
This would undermind trust in the EU as an organization of equals and threaten to splinter it up into various fractions,and that is why the bigger countries will sustain from that bullying smaller ones.
I could cite various other examples with the Czech Republic and Poland.
Also it is noteworth to mention that the EU out of their own self naked interest will have to help Greece if it wants to avoid the Euro crashing totally.
pre 14 godina
i've said it before and i'll say it again..how did this guy get that job???
even a person who can't even point out the balkans on a map can tell you negotiations will need to be resumed .. as SHOCKING as that is to the big players, things havent gone as planned !!
pre 14 godina
During previous summer a famous chain of stores in kosovo had a pro Greek campaign bec they thought that Greece ll recognize kosovo or they had taken money to do so...How many times did the politicians in pristina announce that Kosovo ll be recognized by Greece?No matter what the result ll be the same one more time.NO RECOGNITION!
pre 14 godina
Keep on dreaming Hyseni!! It’s very much free. Greece will not fall for that just because the EU rescued their economy. Greece also knows that they are not like Macedonia.
pre 14 godina
"No kidding? Albanians wish bad things to Greeks, while greeks are all these loving and well-wishing people? Who are you kidding? You forgot how you expelled some 200,000 chams Alb in 1945 and killed 20,000 of them, while Albania fed and sheltered more than 250,000 greeks in the 50s while you were fighting each other to death. But what do you know of honor and respect. EU gave you billions you gave them the terrorist organization November 17 who was specialized in killing westeners.
You have been the parazites of Europe for now 30 years. You owe your well being to EU and the billions they gave you, as well as the cheap and productive labor of some 1 million albanians living in Greece that you still treat and pay like animals.
But don't worry, what goes around comes around.
(Denis, 15 February 2010 22:50)
Is that what you learn in school? Can i remind you here that in the greek civil war tito and albania took part ? Didn't kommunist hide across the albanian border and riged greek villages? didnt it came to an end after ussr bailed out of the conflict?
As for the cams you forget to metnion that with the nazis killing people and selected them for auswitz.
And for the money we took fro eu. hmm yes we did, but not for free.
And one last thing, you albanians can't say just thank you to greece? Who did feed you after your regime in the early 90's fell? Anyone? Wasn't it greece and italy mainly?
As for kosovo, well im not an expert but i know one thing: those greek politician to sign 1) intependece for kosovo, 2) recognition for republick macedonia 3) recognition of turkish cyprus, will gonna have to hide very very good in a big cave. Its a political suicide for any greek politician.
And yes we do like serbs better than albos no question here.
The albanians make bow to the europeans for money we never did and we never will.
pre 14 godina
"Greece made a pact with devil by cooking numbers with Goldman Sachs"
are you kidding?
how about you stop avoiding greece's responsibility for its own economic failures.... now followed closely by spain (ironically enough those havent recognized kosovo either)
both of whom resist the EU's Stability and Growth Pact wich would have kept them in line with a single economic track... it aint goldman sachs buddy, so long as you dance around inept economic leadership you are guarnteed to be weak links in eu economic chain and the EU overall, as they need handouts and tougher oversite by others, but will naturally be resisted by other eu states who dont want or more to the point NEED someone else to babysit their economic policies.
pre 14 godina
Since Greece is in a deep financial crisis and needs help,
there is room for EU to "persuade" Greece to recognize Kosovo.
(Poster, 15 February 2010 19:05)
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And you think with an economic crisis and the war in Afghanistan, the EU occupies its time lobbying for Kosovo recognition?
Get real man, please get real. Western European countries only recognized Kosovo because they were involved in the war in the 90's.
I hate to break it to you, Kosovo is not the capital of the EU, and it is not the number one thing on the minds of EU leaders.
... undemocratic enlargement and creating a superstate against the will of the people, is.
pre 14 godina
And in today's other news, Pope Benedict considering to take up Islamic religion...
This Hyseni guy reminds me of the Iraqi Information Minister.
http://www.welovetheiraqiinformationminister.com/images/07-minister.jpg
pre 14 godina
For all these reasons, Hyseni concluded, he expected "Kosovo to join the EU before 2020".
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This guy must be kidding. Even if Kosovo gets independent in a just manner (this independence is illegal and unjust), even if Serbia agrees... then this Kosovo state will not be ready for EU the coming 20, 30 years.
FIFTY (!) percent unemployment. Mind me: Western European tax payers are already fed up with paying for Eastern Europe!
pre 14 godina
Serbia can do as she pleases
pre 14 godina
Both Greek and Spain have said that when Kosova receives 100 recognitions that they would consider recognizing. I assume FM Hyseni has information from greece to go public and announce it. FM Hyseni doesn't want to be publicly taunted like Thaci was after his 100 in 1 year fiasco.
I'm sure he's been in close contact with the Government of Greece.
pre 14 godina
Frankly I'm more interested how Papua New Guinea is coming along than Greece.
pre 14 godina
>>"Serbia is behaving in a very European manner in Brussels, but in the Balkans it is acting not at all in a European way," said Hyseni. >>
i fully agree with hyseni, esp.ly about the belgrade regime's behavior. their actions and words in the balkans are very provocative, designed both for their own home audience and to keep tensions in the area high -- to keep the conflict "frozen." they think that's a great victory, that frozen conflict is preferable to accepting independence and moving on with life. of course what they do not seem to realize or care about: serbia also remains frozen in time. as long as the balkans stays so unstable, their people will continue to suffer as well. assuming they care about their own people, and not just themselves.
but hey,let them eat... rhetoric.
thank you, and looking forward to the 17th.
roberto
frisco
pre 14 godina
Just goes to prove everything albanians are saying is FALSE! Their so called claims for independence is based nothing more than who can bribe who and for how much money. International law means nothing since money makes right...right? Now the albanians are banking on Greece's recognition due to temporary economic challenges. I'm gonna guess Greece has more pride in themselves than the turncoat at the helm of Montenegro.
pre 14 godina
Greece made a pact with devil by cooking numbers with Goldman Sachs-and of course albanians think right away they will be pressured by US for their gain and recognition.It does not work that way-Greek diaspora can wipe that debt in days and there is Cypres to think about it.
Wishfull demise of Greece from albanians is nothing new.
(lids, 15 February 2010 18:23)
No kidding? Albanians wish bad things to Greeks, while greeks are all these loving and well-wishing people? Who are you kidding? You forgot how you expelled some 200,000 chams Alb in 1945 and killed 20,000 of them, while Albania fed and sheltered more than 250,000 greeks in the 50s while you were fighting each other to death. But what do you know of honor and respect. EU gave you billions you gave them the terrorist organization November 17 who was specialized in killing westeners.
You have been the parazites of Europe for now 30 years. You owe your well being to EU and the billions they gave you, as well as the cheap and productive labor of some 1 million albanians living in Greece that you still treat and pay like animals.
How many times have you mistreated them, and make them change their names and identity to fit your biggot way of life.
But don't worry, what goes around comes around.
pre 14 godina
I think ALL you people out there must have heard me laughing...
well this is biiiig time cinema, where is my popcorn...
if the albanians only would know, that it would take them about 500 years to take kosovo..
they would have left long time ago -too much work, effort and trouble -lets go home...
but even then, it´s not certain the serbs would give up, last time the turks needed 500 years to see it´s hopeless...
i think the albanians can do better...
pre 14 godina
There's a reason why I call this dude Hysterical. No wonder Thaci outsourced the job of purchasing recognitions to some marketing firm. He needs to keep this jester close to home in order to keep him laughing :)
pre 14 godina
Your first three Presidents were Albanians and your liberators were Albanians (as were the Pashas.)
So was Einstein .
(Cerkez, 15 February 2010 20:27
pre 14 godina
Hey guys,don't have to be such negative towards Kosova/o when it comes to Greece recognition, I don't think it would make things worse for greece anyway, being optimist it's not a bad thing ,it works for me,who knows maybe next month NASA choses a Greek to send in the moon in it's crew :).
pre 14 godina
... than Kosovo being recognised from Greece without reaching a negotiated
settlement with Serbia.
(Leonidas, 15 February 2010 18:31)
Indeed interesting point Leonidas.
After the ICJ ruling some kind of negotiations between the parties will take part to achieve what the EU is calling for: a sustainable coexistence between the two states, or entities. That'as the conditio sine qua non for Serbia to progress on towards EU. The Spanish ambassador, thanks to his privileged position in the pro-S camp, has been particularly clear on this issue.
A golden chance for those who advocate a negotiated settlement (and hold no longer their financial sovereignity).
pre 14 godina
Well i can confirm to my Albanian friends that i stand more chances of being the first Greek astronaut to the moon
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You are BANKRUPT and you must do what your masters want you to. Why this hostility to Albanians? Your first three Presidents were Albanians and your liberators were Albanians (as were the Pashas.)
Greece has to settle with FYROM too now, no real sovereignty left after cooking the books
pre 14 godina
Amazing how some irrelevant "politician" even dare to make such stupid comment which will certainly backfire!
Actually for the last 2 years they have been singing the same old boring song which am sure is now ripe enough to get the number 1 spot in the albovision contest...
By spiting on COUNTRIES that are EU members just because they do not want to accept this illegal UDI, these muppet show "politicians" just confirmed one more time, if necessary, that they are centuries away from a civilized and respectfull behavior.
60% or more unemployment rate, no developped economy, 0 investment, traffic of all sorts, harrasment of minorities, this is what these guys should address, but of course it is easier to go on flatering the nationalists than facing the extend of the reality of this black hole name 1244-kosovo!
pre 14 godina
The Germans?
They might have a new leader (Putin) by then.
Dont count on them...
just remember WWII who fought against who...
History repeats itself and i, pretty much soon, see the hordes of balkanians begging to join Yugoslavia again.
pre 14 godina
Since Greece is in a deep financial crisis and needs help,
there is room for EU to "persuade" Greece to recognize Kosovo.
pre 14 godina
When Greek recognition comes, its they, the Germans who we should thank.
pre 14 godina
My message for the pro-independence Albanians is that the more recognitions you receive the more happy I'll be.
pre 14 godina
Greece made a pact with devil by cooking numbers with Goldman Sachs-and of course albanians think right away they will be pressured by US for their gain and recognition.It does not work that way-Greek diaspora can wipe that debt in days and there is Cypres to think about it.
Wishfull demise of Greece from albanians is nothing new.
pre 14 godina
One cannot fail to see the pattern here.Albanians will start by telling us there will be more recognitions from Islamic or African countries and when they fail to get any they will try the same old re-heated stories about recognition from Greece is imminent.
Well i can confirm to my Albanian friends that i stand more chances of being the first Greek astronaut to the moon than Kosovo being recognised from Greece without reaching a negotiated
settlement with Serbia.
pre 14 godina
As for the article at hand, we'll see. Perhaps Kosovo may have been one of those conditions for Greece by Germany/EU.
pre 14 godina
Hyseni is on the Kool Aid again.
pre 14 godina
This guy reminds me of the old communist party spokesmen of the former Yugoslavia. They just make stuff up, usually a lie, and then present it like it's fact. Hisendiqi, your little land grab is the true un-European action in the region, and THE destabilizing action in the Balkans. Stop your dirty propaganda, and look to creating jobs for your people. Stealing Serbian land will not improve your lives, Hisdiniqi, but giving your people work, will.
pre 14 godina
"Kosovo's independence cannot be annulled by any kind of negotiations".
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Yawn....I don't understand why anyone has to repeat they are independent every day for 2 years. I don't hear Montenegrins coming here proclaiming their independence on a daily basis. I wonder why that is?
pre 14 godina
If I was president of Srbija, I would be handling these albanian terrorists in a very different manner! Lucky for them, I'm not president! These "people" terrorize elderly Serbs on a daily basis and yet nothing is mentioned on outside news sources! Enough is enough! Srbija needs a leader!!!
pre 14 godina
"Kosovo's independence cannot be annulled by any kind of negotiations".
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Yawn....I don't understand why anyone has to repeat they are independent every day for 2 years. I don't hear Montenegrins coming here proclaiming their independence on a daily basis. I wonder why that is?
pre 14 godina
This guy reminds me of the old communist party spokesmen of the former Yugoslavia. They just make stuff up, usually a lie, and then present it like it's fact. Hisendiqi, your little land grab is the true un-European action in the region, and THE destabilizing action in the Balkans. Stop your dirty propaganda, and look to creating jobs for your people. Stealing Serbian land will not improve your lives, Hisdiniqi, but giving your people work, will.
pre 14 godina
If I was president of Srbija, I would be handling these albanian terrorists in a very different manner! Lucky for them, I'm not president! These "people" terrorize elderly Serbs on a daily basis and yet nothing is mentioned on outside news sources! Enough is enough! Srbija needs a leader!!!
pre 14 godina
Hyseni is on the Kool Aid again.
pre 14 godina
One cannot fail to see the pattern here.Albanians will start by telling us there will be more recognitions from Islamic or African countries and when they fail to get any they will try the same old re-heated stories about recognition from Greece is imminent.
Well i can confirm to my Albanian friends that i stand more chances of being the first Greek astronaut to the moon than Kosovo being recognised from Greece without reaching a negotiated
settlement with Serbia.
pre 14 godina
Greece made a pact with devil by cooking numbers with Goldman Sachs-and of course albanians think right away they will be pressured by US for their gain and recognition.It does not work that way-Greek diaspora can wipe that debt in days and there is Cypres to think about it.
Wishfull demise of Greece from albanians is nothing new.
pre 14 godina
The Germans?
They might have a new leader (Putin) by then.
Dont count on them...
just remember WWII who fought against who...
History repeats itself and i, pretty much soon, see the hordes of balkanians begging to join Yugoslavia again.
pre 14 godina
My message for the pro-independence Albanians is that the more recognitions you receive the more happy I'll be.
pre 14 godina
Just goes to prove everything albanians are saying is FALSE! Their so called claims for independence is based nothing more than who can bribe who and for how much money. International law means nothing since money makes right...right? Now the albanians are banking on Greece's recognition due to temporary economic challenges. I'm gonna guess Greece has more pride in themselves than the turncoat at the helm of Montenegro.
pre 14 godina
There's a reason why I call this dude Hysterical. No wonder Thaci outsourced the job of purchasing recognitions to some marketing firm. He needs to keep this jester close to home in order to keep him laughing :)
pre 14 godina
Amazing how some irrelevant "politician" even dare to make such stupid comment which will certainly backfire!
Actually for the last 2 years they have been singing the same old boring song which am sure is now ripe enough to get the number 1 spot in the albovision contest...
By spiting on COUNTRIES that are EU members just because they do not want to accept this illegal UDI, these muppet show "politicians" just confirmed one more time, if necessary, that they are centuries away from a civilized and respectfull behavior.
60% or more unemployment rate, no developped economy, 0 investment, traffic of all sorts, harrasment of minorities, this is what these guys should address, but of course it is easier to go on flatering the nationalists than facing the extend of the reality of this black hole name 1244-kosovo!
pre 14 godina
Since Greece is in a deep financial crisis and needs help,
there is room for EU to "persuade" Greece to recognize Kosovo.
pre 14 godina
When Greek recognition comes, its they, the Germans who we should thank.
pre 14 godina
Greece made a pact with devil by cooking numbers with Goldman Sachs-and of course albanians think right away they will be pressured by US for their gain and recognition.It does not work that way-Greek diaspora can wipe that debt in days and there is Cypres to think about it.
Wishfull demise of Greece from albanians is nothing new.
(lids, 15 February 2010 18:23)
No kidding? Albanians wish bad things to Greeks, while greeks are all these loving and well-wishing people? Who are you kidding? You forgot how you expelled some 200,000 chams Alb in 1945 and killed 20,000 of them, while Albania fed and sheltered more than 250,000 greeks in the 50s while you were fighting each other to death. But what do you know of honor and respect. EU gave you billions you gave them the terrorist organization November 17 who was specialized in killing westeners.
You have been the parazites of Europe for now 30 years. You owe your well being to EU and the billions they gave you, as well as the cheap and productive labor of some 1 million albanians living in Greece that you still treat and pay like animals.
How many times have you mistreated them, and make them change their names and identity to fit your biggot way of life.
But don't worry, what goes around comes around.
pre 14 godina
As for the article at hand, we'll see. Perhaps Kosovo may have been one of those conditions for Greece by Germany/EU.
pre 14 godina
"No kidding? Albanians wish bad things to Greeks, while greeks are all these loving and well-wishing people? Who are you kidding? You forgot how you expelled some 200,000 chams Alb in 1945 and killed 20,000 of them, while Albania fed and sheltered more than 250,000 greeks in the 50s while you were fighting each other to death. But what do you know of honor and respect. EU gave you billions you gave them the terrorist organization November 17 who was specialized in killing westeners.
You have been the parazites of Europe for now 30 years. You owe your well being to EU and the billions they gave you, as well as the cheap and productive labor of some 1 million albanians living in Greece that you still treat and pay like animals.
But don't worry, what goes around comes around.
(Denis, 15 February 2010 22:50)
Is that what you learn in school? Can i remind you here that in the greek civil war tito and albania took part ? Didn't kommunist hide across the albanian border and riged greek villages? didnt it came to an end after ussr bailed out of the conflict?
As for the cams you forget to metnion that with the nazis killing people and selected them for auswitz.
And for the money we took fro eu. hmm yes we did, but not for free.
And one last thing, you albanians can't say just thank you to greece? Who did feed you after your regime in the early 90's fell? Anyone? Wasn't it greece and italy mainly?
As for kosovo, well im not an expert but i know one thing: those greek politician to sign 1) intependece for kosovo, 2) recognition for republick macedonia 3) recognition of turkish cyprus, will gonna have to hide very very good in a big cave. Its a political suicide for any greek politician.
And yes we do like serbs better than albos no question here.
The albanians make bow to the europeans for money we never did and we never will.
pre 14 godina
Well i can confirm to my Albanian friends that i stand more chances of being the first Greek astronaut to the moon
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You are BANKRUPT and you must do what your masters want you to. Why this hostility to Albanians? Your first three Presidents were Albanians and your liberators were Albanians (as were the Pashas.)
Greece has to settle with FYROM too now, no real sovereignty left after cooking the books
pre 14 godina
Your first three Presidents were Albanians and your liberators were Albanians (as were the Pashas.)
So was Einstein .
(Cerkez, 15 February 2010 20:27
pre 14 godina
Keep on dreaming Hyseni!! It’s very much free. Greece will not fall for that just because the EU rescued their economy. Greece also knows that they are not like Macedonia.
pre 14 godina
I think ALL you people out there must have heard me laughing...
well this is biiiig time cinema, where is my popcorn...
if the albanians only would know, that it would take them about 500 years to take kosovo..
they would have left long time ago -too much work, effort and trouble -lets go home...
but even then, it´s not certain the serbs would give up, last time the turks needed 500 years to see it´s hopeless...
i think the albanians can do better...
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Since Greece is in a deep financial crisis and needs help,
there is room for EU to "persuade" Greece to recognize Kosovo.
(Poster, 15 February 2010 19:05)
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And you think with an economic crisis and the war in Afghanistan, the EU occupies its time lobbying for Kosovo recognition?
Get real man, please get real. Western European countries only recognized Kosovo because they were involved in the war in the 90's.
I hate to break it to you, Kosovo is not the capital of the EU, and it is not the number one thing on the minds of EU leaders.
... undemocratic enlargement and creating a superstate against the will of the people, is.
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>>"Serbia is behaving in a very European manner in Brussels, but in the Balkans it is acting not at all in a European way," said Hyseni. >>
i fully agree with hyseni, esp.ly about the belgrade regime's behavior. their actions and words in the balkans are very provocative, designed both for their own home audience and to keep tensions in the area high -- to keep the conflict "frozen." they think that's a great victory, that frozen conflict is preferable to accepting independence and moving on with life. of course what they do not seem to realize or care about: serbia also remains frozen in time. as long as the balkans stays so unstable, their people will continue to suffer as well. assuming they care about their own people, and not just themselves.
but hey,let them eat... rhetoric.
thank you, and looking forward to the 17th.
roberto
frisco
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Both Greek and Spain have said that when Kosova receives 100 recognitions that they would consider recognizing. I assume FM Hyseni has information from greece to go public and announce it. FM Hyseni doesn't want to be publicly taunted like Thaci was after his 100 in 1 year fiasco.
I'm sure he's been in close contact with the Government of Greece.
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... than Kosovo being recognised from Greece without reaching a negotiated
settlement with Serbia.
(Leonidas, 15 February 2010 18:31)
Indeed interesting point Leonidas.
After the ICJ ruling some kind of negotiations between the parties will take part to achieve what the EU is calling for: a sustainable coexistence between the two states, or entities. That'as the conditio sine qua non for Serbia to progress on towards EU. The Spanish ambassador, thanks to his privileged position in the pro-S camp, has been particularly clear on this issue.
A golden chance for those who advocate a negotiated settlement (and hold no longer their financial sovereignity).
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And in today's other news, Pope Benedict considering to take up Islamic religion...
This Hyseni guy reminds me of the Iraqi Information Minister.
http://www.welovetheiraqiinformationminister.com/images/07-minister.jpg
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Go ahead Papeandrou, recognise. If you want riots on every street. I think you'll find more Serbs that support Kosovo's independence than Greeks.
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For all these reasons, Hyseni concluded, he expected "Kosovo to join the EU before 2020".
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This guy must be kidding. Even if Kosovo gets independent in a just manner (this independence is illegal and unjust), even if Serbia agrees... then this Kosovo state will not be ready for EU the coming 20, 30 years.
FIFTY (!) percent unemployment. Mind me: Western European tax payers are already fed up with paying for Eastern Europe!
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During previous summer a famous chain of stores in kosovo had a pro Greek campaign bec they thought that Greece ll recognize kosovo or they had taken money to do so...How many times did the politicians in pristina announce that Kosovo ll be recognized by Greece?No matter what the result ll be the same one more time.NO RECOGNITION!
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It the EU that is under pressure because the Greek economy could pull the European economy under.
Greece has always had good relations with Serbia and I hope that it will maintain its relationship in positive terms.
For Greece to recognise Kosovo as would be a sign of incredible political weakness and would be against the heart of what the Greek people would want.
I would think too that recognising Kosovo would help open up issues with Macedonia. Not something that Greece wants.
Finally, if the EU were to bring pressure on Greece it would be contrary to the spirit of Europe. Greece did not join the EU to be ruled from elsewhere. It joined a community of nations.
Bringing pressure (rather than behaving as a community) is what will likely eventually destroy the EU.
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Hey guys,don't have to be such negative towards Kosova/o when it comes to Greece recognition, I don't think it would make things worse for greece anyway, being optimist it's not a bad thing ,it works for me,who knows maybe next month NASA choses a Greek to send in the moon in it's crew :).
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Serbia can do as she pleases
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I speak on behalf of the majority of Greek Australians who are more patriotic and as such nationalistic than the Greeks of Greece. We Greek Australians in principal do not wish the recognistion of Kosovo as an idependent country for the simple reason that Kosovo = Serbia and vis versa. The treachous sold out Greek government of PASOK supported by New Democracy and communist parties Syriza and KKE will eventually recognise Kosovo for political reasons.
However,the recognistion of Kosovo by the sold out Greek government won't be on the basis of because; Serbia was one of the first to recognise FYROM as Macedonia and there fore we the Greeks are returning you the favour - in truth, they couldn't care less but rather it is the Jewish Zionist who dictate the agenda for the Balkans.If Mitsotakis of New Democracy back in 1992 had taken up the offer from Milosivic win dividing up FYROM to the point where Grecece and Serbia would be sharing borders, then none of this problem of Kosovo and FYROM would exist and the Albanian UCK and Skopijan clowns would know very well that if they messed with Greece and or Serbia, they would be kicked up,real quick and smart.
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Frankly I'm more interested how Papua New Guinea is coming along than Greece.
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"Greece made a pact with devil by cooking numbers with Goldman Sachs"
are you kidding?
how about you stop avoiding greece's responsibility for its own economic failures.... now followed closely by spain (ironically enough those havent recognized kosovo either)
both of whom resist the EU's Stability and Growth Pact wich would have kept them in line with a single economic track... it aint goldman sachs buddy, so long as you dance around inept economic leadership you are guarnteed to be weak links in eu economic chain and the EU overall, as they need handouts and tougher oversite by others, but will naturally be resisted by other eu states who dont want or more to the point NEED someone else to babysit their economic policies.
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"He went on to WARN the five EU countries that have not recognized Kosovo – Greece, Spain, Cyprus, Slovakia, and Romania – that "they can expect friendly pressure to do so" from other member-states, and singled out Greece as "particularly moving in that direction"
LOL
One might think these are the words of a president of a great power and not a wannabee albanian thugster from our southern serbian province...
Greece will not submit to any pressure and the EU will not even exert pressure on Greece!
Why?
Because it would show everybody that the bigger EU countries like Germany want to pressure smaller countries in the EU by political motivated economic help.
This would undermind trust in the EU as an organization of equals and threaten to splinter it up into various fractions,and that is why the bigger countries will sustain from that bullying smaller ones.
I could cite various other examples with the Czech Republic and Poland.
Also it is noteworth to mention that the EU out of their own self naked interest will have to help Greece if it wants to avoid the Euro crashing totally.
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Albanian posters here should watch what they say about the Greek debt issue. Just yesterday, there was an article about the West wanting Kosovo to start supporting itself instead of relying on foreign aid to run the government. There is no economy in this "country". Your government is begging for money because everyone avoids paying taxes. Walk into a store downtown and notice that the register is never running. Money is swapped out of a drawer below the register. And the majority of your corrupt politicians live opulent lifestyles with highly paid salaries. Sediju is paid more than any other president in the former Yugoslavia while the average government employee makes less than €300 a month! There will be some pressure, but on Kosovo, not Greece. Greece, a Euro zone member whose economy affects the value of the Euro, is in a better bargaining position than Kosovo, which is basically a beggar nation.
I wouldn’t listen to your politicians too much. Two years later, only 65 countries have recognized your “country”. And he can’t say that other EU countries are going to exert pressure when he isn’t an EU member or spokesperson. EU before 2020? The EU learned about what happens when you let countries with uncontrolled corruption into the EU when it let Romania and Bulgaria enter. Plus, no economy and failing to live up to EU standards will keep you out.
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Wow, I see... definitely we Albanians are surrounded with enemies from all sides. Remember that Israel was attacked from three sides, Syria, Egypt and Jordan, but in the end they all lost to Israel, and Israel took over almost half of Egypt, and highlands of Syria (still under Israel). So do be so sure about this, if you had accepted that deal from Milosevic, you would have now lived in your tiny islands. There is nothing during the history of mankind that managed to take the holy land of Albanians away, turks tried for 500 years, Romans tried that too, but they all lost.
We might be a tiny nation, but we will never give up an inch of our territory, Kosovo is a good example.
Any you can have a common border with Serbs once you meet each other in Russia, where you both came form.
(kosovari, 17 February 2010 17:39)
Sorry kosovari - You Albanians are not like Israel. Show me man, when Kosovo was part of ANY albanian state, and tell me what albanian ruler ruled in Kosovo 500 years ago.
Yes my friend - this is a brutal thruth - Kosovo was NEVER part of any independent albanian state (despite fascist italian puppet during WW II). Kosovo is not holy albanian land - but serbian holy land, where is masterpieces of serbian architecture, where are burned the most powerful rulers of Serbia and where is real religious soul of Serbia. This is serbian land.
Bravo Greece!!!!
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i've said it before and i'll say it again..how did this guy get that job???
even a person who can't even point out the balkans on a map can tell you negotiations will need to be resumed .. as SHOCKING as that is to the big players, things havent gone as planned !!
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Yawn....I don't understand why anyone has to repeat they are independent every day for 2 years. I don't hear Montenegrins coming here proclaiming their independence on a daily basis. I wonder why that is?
(Zoran, 15 February 2010 17:49)
zoran,
they are not at the same thing and i'm pretty sure you realize it.
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It seems that there is a bit of misunderstanding around here when we even mention the words "independence" and "succession". Let me make this very simple and clear:
To "succeed" successfully, you have to DO IT 110% ON YOUR OWN!!! If anyone else helps you, you are essentially tied to them to some degree and are therefore just that much less independent. In the case of Kosovo this alone strips it of most (if not all) of it's sovereignty.
Here is a good analogy. Let's pretend Serbia is a family composed of a husband, a wife, and two songs - one teenager, one adult. The teenage kid decides to move out and go solo as he is no longer happy staying with the family. Now that kid is a teenager, so he doesn't have really any income, very little protection and little connections... where will he go??
Now if that kid were to one day get food and shelter from another adult (USA and NATO) that kid feels he is really independent. He feels he is making it on his own but little does he know, nothing is free and this adult is going to want something in return for his troubles sooner or later. The kid still doesn't know what the price of this help is or could be.
So you see this whole Kosovo succession business is nothing more than the same analogy of a teenage run-away. He is bound to return home either on his own or someone will return him to the parents. The key portion of the premise is the word "teenager" because Kosovo is simply too poor and immature to succeed on its own. Vojvodina is the adult kid - good income level, militarily sound and many connections.
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I think you'll find Kosovari, that near enough every Balkan state is surrounded by enemies on all sides.
And like you say, if the Turks couldn't take Kosovo from Serbia, what chance do you have of making this stick?
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The treachous sold out Greek government of PASOK supported by New Democracy and communist parties Syriza and KKE will eventually recognise Kosovo for political reasons.
However,the recognistion of Kosovo by the sold out Greek government won't be on the basis of because; Serbia was one of the first to recognise FYROM as Macedonia and there fore we the Greeks are returning you the favour - in truth, they couldn't care less but rather it is the Jewish Zionist who dictate the agenda for the Balkans.If Mitsotakis of New Democracy back in 1992 had taken up the offer from Milosivic win dividing up FYROM to the point where Grecece and Serbia would be sharing borders, then none of this problem of Kosovo and FYROM would exist and the Albanian UCK and Skopijan clowns would know very well that if they messed with Greece and or Serbia, they would be kicked up,real quick and smart.
(Constantinos Kyriakopoulos, 17 February 2010 05:38)
Now before you mouth off any further nonsense, let me clarify a couple of things with you. 1) The KKE doesnt support the PASOK government of Papandreou, 2) The KKE does not support the US imperialist agenda in the Balkans, i.e. Pristina's UDD. In fact on many ocassions KKE MEPs have spoken out against Kosovo's UDD in the Euro Parliament and voted against the Christian Democrat/Liberal resolution which called on MEPs to support the Pristina's UDD.
3) Milosevic never offered any deal to Athens about partioning Macedonia. Yugoslavia recognised Macedonia's independence declaration in October 1991 and the JNA withdrew the following month.
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I speak on behalf of the majority of Greek Australians who are more patriotic and as such nationalistic than the Greeks of Greece. We Greek Australians in principal do not wish the recognistion of Kosovo as an idependent country for the simple reason that Kosovo = Serbia and vis versa. The treachous sold out Greek government of PASOK supported by New Democracy and communist parties Syriza and KKE will eventually recognise Kosovo for political reasons.
However,the recognistion of Kosovo by the sold out Greek government won't be on the basis of because; Serbia was one of the first to recognise FYROM as Macedonia and there fore we the Greeks are returning you the favour - in truth, they couldn't care less but rather it is the Jewish Zionist who dictate the agenda for the Balkans.If Mitsotakis of New Democracy back in 1992 had taken up the offer from Milosivic win dividing up FYROM to the point where Grecece and Serbia would be sharing borders, then none of this problem of Kosovo and FYROM would exist and the Albanian UCK and Skopijan clowns would know very well that if they messed with Greece and or Serbia, they would be kicked up,real quick and smart.
(Constantinos Kyriakopoulos, 17 February 2010 05:38)
Wow, I see... definitely we Albanians are surrounded with enemies from all sides. Remember that Israel was attacked from three sides, Syria, Egypt and Jordan, but in the end they all lost to Israel, and Israel took over almost half of Egypt, and highlands of Syria (still under Israel). So do be so sure about this, if you had accepted that deal from Milosevic, you would have now lived in your tiny islands. There is nothing during the history of mankind that managed to take the holy land of Albanians away, turks tried for 500 years, Romans tried that too, but they all lost.
We might be a tiny nation, but we will never give up an inch of our territory, Kosovo is a good example.
Any you can have a common border with Serbs once you meet each other in Russia, where you both came form.
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If I was president of Srbija, I would be handling these albanian terrorists in a very different manner! Lucky for them, I'm not president! These "people" terrorize elderly Serbs on a daily basis and yet nothing is mentioned on outside news sources! Enough is enough! Srbija needs a leader!!!
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"Kosovo's independence cannot be annulled by any kind of negotiations".
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Yawn....I don't understand why anyone has to repeat they are independent every day for 2 years. I don't hear Montenegrins coming here proclaiming their independence on a daily basis. I wonder why that is?
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This guy reminds me of the old communist party spokesmen of the former Yugoslavia. They just make stuff up, usually a lie, and then present it like it's fact. Hisendiqi, your little land grab is the true un-European action in the region, and THE destabilizing action in the Balkans. Stop your dirty propaganda, and look to creating jobs for your people. Stealing Serbian land will not improve your lives, Hisdiniqi, but giving your people work, will.
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Since Greece is in a deep financial crisis and needs help,
there is room for EU to "persuade" Greece to recognize Kosovo.
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My message for the pro-independence Albanians is that the more recognitions you receive the more happy I'll be.
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Greece made a pact with devil by cooking numbers with Goldman Sachs-and of course albanians think right away they will be pressured by US for their gain and recognition.It does not work that way-Greek diaspora can wipe that debt in days and there is Cypres to think about it.
Wishfull demise of Greece from albanians is nothing new.
(lids, 15 February 2010 18:23)
No kidding? Albanians wish bad things to Greeks, while greeks are all these loving and well-wishing people? Who are you kidding? You forgot how you expelled some 200,000 chams Alb in 1945 and killed 20,000 of them, while Albania fed and sheltered more than 250,000 greeks in the 50s while you were fighting each other to death. But what do you know of honor and respect. EU gave you billions you gave them the terrorist organization November 17 who was specialized in killing westeners.
You have been the parazites of Europe for now 30 years. You owe your well being to EU and the billions they gave you, as well as the cheap and productive labor of some 1 million albanians living in Greece that you still treat and pay like animals.
How many times have you mistreated them, and make them change their names and identity to fit your biggot way of life.
But don't worry, what goes around comes around.
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Hyseni is on the Kool Aid again.
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Well i can confirm to my Albanian friends that i stand more chances of being the first Greek astronaut to the moon
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You are BANKRUPT and you must do what your masters want you to. Why this hostility to Albanians? Your first three Presidents were Albanians and your liberators were Albanians (as were the Pashas.)
Greece has to settle with FYROM too now, no real sovereignty left after cooking the books
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When Greek recognition comes, its they, the Germans who we should thank.
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>>"Serbia is behaving in a very European manner in Brussels, but in the Balkans it is acting not at all in a European way," said Hyseni. >>
i fully agree with hyseni, esp.ly about the belgrade regime's behavior. their actions and words in the balkans are very provocative, designed both for their own home audience and to keep tensions in the area high -- to keep the conflict "frozen." they think that's a great victory, that frozen conflict is preferable to accepting independence and moving on with life. of course what they do not seem to realize or care about: serbia also remains frozen in time. as long as the balkans stays so unstable, their people will continue to suffer as well. assuming they care about their own people, and not just themselves.
but hey,let them eat... rhetoric.
thank you, and looking forward to the 17th.
roberto
frisco
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Both Greek and Spain have said that when Kosova receives 100 recognitions that they would consider recognizing. I assume FM Hyseni has information from greece to go public and announce it. FM Hyseni doesn't want to be publicly taunted like Thaci was after his 100 in 1 year fiasco.
I'm sure he's been in close contact with the Government of Greece.
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One cannot fail to see the pattern here.Albanians will start by telling us there will be more recognitions from Islamic or African countries and when they fail to get any they will try the same old re-heated stories about recognition from Greece is imminent.
Well i can confirm to my Albanian friends that i stand more chances of being the first Greek astronaut to the moon than Kosovo being recognised from Greece without reaching a negotiated
settlement with Serbia.
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Greece made a pact with devil by cooking numbers with Goldman Sachs-and of course albanians think right away they will be pressured by US for their gain and recognition.It does not work that way-Greek diaspora can wipe that debt in days and there is Cypres to think about it.
Wishfull demise of Greece from albanians is nothing new.
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As for the article at hand, we'll see. Perhaps Kosovo may have been one of those conditions for Greece by Germany/EU.
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The Germans?
They might have a new leader (Putin) by then.
Dont count on them...
just remember WWII who fought against who...
History repeats itself and i, pretty much soon, see the hordes of balkanians begging to join Yugoslavia again.
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Hey guys,don't have to be such negative towards Kosova/o when it comes to Greece recognition, I don't think it would make things worse for greece anyway, being optimist it's not a bad thing ,it works for me,who knows maybe next month NASA choses a Greek to send in the moon in it's crew :).
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There's a reason why I call this dude Hysterical. No wonder Thaci outsourced the job of purchasing recognitions to some marketing firm. He needs to keep this jester close to home in order to keep him laughing :)
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Your first three Presidents were Albanians and your liberators were Albanians (as were the Pashas.)
So was Einstein .
(Cerkez, 15 February 2010 20:27
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Just goes to prove everything albanians are saying is FALSE! Their so called claims for independence is based nothing more than who can bribe who and for how much money. International law means nothing since money makes right...right? Now the albanians are banking on Greece's recognition due to temporary economic challenges. I'm gonna guess Greece has more pride in themselves than the turncoat at the helm of Montenegro.
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Amazing how some irrelevant "politician" even dare to make such stupid comment which will certainly backfire!
Actually for the last 2 years they have been singing the same old boring song which am sure is now ripe enough to get the number 1 spot in the albovision contest...
By spiting on COUNTRIES that are EU members just because they do not want to accept this illegal UDI, these muppet show "politicians" just confirmed one more time, if necessary, that they are centuries away from a civilized and respectfull behavior.
60% or more unemployment rate, no developped economy, 0 investment, traffic of all sorts, harrasment of minorities, this is what these guys should address, but of course it is easier to go on flatering the nationalists than facing the extend of the reality of this black hole name 1244-kosovo!
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For all these reasons, Hyseni concluded, he expected "Kosovo to join the EU before 2020".
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This guy must be kidding. Even if Kosovo gets independent in a just manner (this independence is illegal and unjust), even if Serbia agrees... then this Kosovo state will not be ready for EU the coming 20, 30 years.
FIFTY (!) percent unemployment. Mind me: Western European tax payers are already fed up with paying for Eastern Europe!
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Since Greece is in a deep financial crisis and needs help,
there is room for EU to "persuade" Greece to recognize Kosovo.
(Poster, 15 February 2010 19:05)
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And you think with an economic crisis and the war in Afghanistan, the EU occupies its time lobbying for Kosovo recognition?
Get real man, please get real. Western European countries only recognized Kosovo because they were involved in the war in the 90's.
I hate to break it to you, Kosovo is not the capital of the EU, and it is not the number one thing on the minds of EU leaders.
... undemocratic enlargement and creating a superstate against the will of the people, is.
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And in today's other news, Pope Benedict considering to take up Islamic religion...
This Hyseni guy reminds me of the Iraqi Information Minister.
http://www.welovetheiraqiinformationminister.com/images/07-minister.jpg
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Frankly I'm more interested how Papua New Guinea is coming along than Greece.
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... than Kosovo being recognised from Greece without reaching a negotiated
settlement with Serbia.
(Leonidas, 15 February 2010 18:31)
Indeed interesting point Leonidas.
After the ICJ ruling some kind of negotiations between the parties will take part to achieve what the EU is calling for: a sustainable coexistence between the two states, or entities. That'as the conditio sine qua non for Serbia to progress on towards EU. The Spanish ambassador, thanks to his privileged position in the pro-S camp, has been particularly clear on this issue.
A golden chance for those who advocate a negotiated settlement (and hold no longer their financial sovereignity).
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"No kidding? Albanians wish bad things to Greeks, while greeks are all these loving and well-wishing people? Who are you kidding? You forgot how you expelled some 200,000 chams Alb in 1945 and killed 20,000 of them, while Albania fed and sheltered more than 250,000 greeks in the 50s while you were fighting each other to death. But what do you know of honor and respect. EU gave you billions you gave them the terrorist organization November 17 who was specialized in killing westeners.
You have been the parazites of Europe for now 30 years. You owe your well being to EU and the billions they gave you, as well as the cheap and productive labor of some 1 million albanians living in Greece that you still treat and pay like animals.
But don't worry, what goes around comes around.
(Denis, 15 February 2010 22:50)
Is that what you learn in school? Can i remind you here that in the greek civil war tito and albania took part ? Didn't kommunist hide across the albanian border and riged greek villages? didnt it came to an end after ussr bailed out of the conflict?
As for the cams you forget to metnion that with the nazis killing people and selected them for auswitz.
And for the money we took fro eu. hmm yes we did, but not for free.
And one last thing, you albanians can't say just thank you to greece? Who did feed you after your regime in the early 90's fell? Anyone? Wasn't it greece and italy mainly?
As for kosovo, well im not an expert but i know one thing: those greek politician to sign 1) intependece for kosovo, 2) recognition for republick macedonia 3) recognition of turkish cyprus, will gonna have to hide very very good in a big cave. Its a political suicide for any greek politician.
And yes we do like serbs better than albos no question here.
The albanians make bow to the europeans for money we never did and we never will.
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I think ALL you people out there must have heard me laughing...
well this is biiiig time cinema, where is my popcorn...
if the albanians only would know, that it would take them about 500 years to take kosovo..
they would have left long time ago -too much work, effort and trouble -lets go home...
but even then, it´s not certain the serbs would give up, last time the turks needed 500 years to see it´s hopeless...
i think the albanians can do better...
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I speak on behalf of the majority of Greek Australians who are more patriotic and as such nationalistic than the Greeks of Greece. We Greek Australians in principal do not wish the recognistion of Kosovo as an idependent country for the simple reason that Kosovo = Serbia and vis versa. The treachous sold out Greek government of PASOK supported by New Democracy and communist parties Syriza and KKE will eventually recognise Kosovo for political reasons.
However,the recognistion of Kosovo by the sold out Greek government won't be on the basis of because; Serbia was one of the first to recognise FYROM as Macedonia and there fore we the Greeks are returning you the favour - in truth, they couldn't care less but rather it is the Jewish Zionist who dictate the agenda for the Balkans.If Mitsotakis of New Democracy back in 1992 had taken up the offer from Milosivic win dividing up FYROM to the point where Grecece and Serbia would be sharing borders, then none of this problem of Kosovo and FYROM would exist and the Albanian UCK and Skopijan clowns would know very well that if they messed with Greece and or Serbia, they would be kicked up,real quick and smart.
(Constantinos Kyriakopoulos, 17 February 2010 05:38)
Wow, I see... definitely we Albanians are surrounded with enemies from all sides. Remember that Israel was attacked from three sides, Syria, Egypt and Jordan, but in the end they all lost to Israel, and Israel took over almost half of Egypt, and highlands of Syria (still under Israel). So do be so sure about this, if you had accepted that deal from Milosevic, you would have now lived in your tiny islands. There is nothing during the history of mankind that managed to take the holy land of Albanians away, turks tried for 500 years, Romans tried that too, but they all lost.
We might be a tiny nation, but we will never give up an inch of our territory, Kosovo is a good example.
Any you can have a common border with Serbs once you meet each other in Russia, where you both came form.
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"Greece made a pact with devil by cooking numbers with Goldman Sachs"
are you kidding?
how about you stop avoiding greece's responsibility for its own economic failures.... now followed closely by spain (ironically enough those havent recognized kosovo either)
both of whom resist the EU's Stability and Growth Pact wich would have kept them in line with a single economic track... it aint goldman sachs buddy, so long as you dance around inept economic leadership you are guarnteed to be weak links in eu economic chain and the EU overall, as they need handouts and tougher oversite by others, but will naturally be resisted by other eu states who dont want or more to the point NEED someone else to babysit their economic policies.
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Keep on dreaming Hyseni!! It’s very much free. Greece will not fall for that just because the EU rescued their economy. Greece also knows that they are not like Macedonia.
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During previous summer a famous chain of stores in kosovo had a pro Greek campaign bec they thought that Greece ll recognize kosovo or they had taken money to do so...How many times did the politicians in pristina announce that Kosovo ll be recognized by Greece?No matter what the result ll be the same one more time.NO RECOGNITION!
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Serbia can do as she pleases
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i've said it before and i'll say it again..how did this guy get that job???
even a person who can't even point out the balkans on a map can tell you negotiations will need to be resumed .. as SHOCKING as that is to the big players, things havent gone as planned !!
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It the EU that is under pressure because the Greek economy could pull the European economy under.
Greece has always had good relations with Serbia and I hope that it will maintain its relationship in positive terms.
For Greece to recognise Kosovo as would be a sign of incredible political weakness and would be against the heart of what the Greek people would want.
I would think too that recognising Kosovo would help open up issues with Macedonia. Not something that Greece wants.
Finally, if the EU were to bring pressure on Greece it would be contrary to the spirit of Europe. Greece did not join the EU to be ruled from elsewhere. It joined a community of nations.
Bringing pressure (rather than behaving as a community) is what will likely eventually destroy the EU.
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Go ahead Papeandrou, recognise. If you want riots on every street. I think you'll find more Serbs that support Kosovo's independence than Greeks.
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"He went on to WARN the five EU countries that have not recognized Kosovo – Greece, Spain, Cyprus, Slovakia, and Romania – that "they can expect friendly pressure to do so" from other member-states, and singled out Greece as "particularly moving in that direction"
LOL
One might think these are the words of a president of a great power and not a wannabee albanian thugster from our southern serbian province...
Greece will not submit to any pressure and the EU will not even exert pressure on Greece!
Why?
Because it would show everybody that the bigger EU countries like Germany want to pressure smaller countries in the EU by political motivated economic help.
This would undermind trust in the EU as an organization of equals and threaten to splinter it up into various fractions,and that is why the bigger countries will sustain from that bullying smaller ones.
I could cite various other examples with the Czech Republic and Poland.
Also it is noteworth to mention that the EU out of their own self naked interest will have to help Greece if it wants to avoid the Euro crashing totally.
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Yawn....I don't understand why anyone has to repeat they are independent every day for 2 years. I don't hear Montenegrins coming here proclaiming their independence on a daily basis. I wonder why that is?
(Zoran, 15 February 2010 17:49)
zoran,
they are not at the same thing and i'm pretty sure you realize it.
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I speak on behalf of the majority of Greek Australians who are more patriotic and as such nationalistic than the Greeks of Greece. We Greek Australians in principal do not wish the recognistion of Kosovo as an idependent country for the simple reason that Kosovo = Serbia and vis versa. The treachous sold out Greek government of PASOK supported by New Democracy and communist parties Syriza and KKE will eventually recognise Kosovo for political reasons.
However,the recognistion of Kosovo by the sold out Greek government won't be on the basis of because; Serbia was one of the first to recognise FYROM as Macedonia and there fore we the Greeks are returning you the favour - in truth, they couldn't care less but rather it is the Jewish Zionist who dictate the agenda for the Balkans.If Mitsotakis of New Democracy back in 1992 had taken up the offer from Milosivic win dividing up FYROM to the point where Grecece and Serbia would be sharing borders, then none of this problem of Kosovo and FYROM would exist and the Albanian UCK and Skopijan clowns would know very well that if they messed with Greece and or Serbia, they would be kicked up,real quick and smart.
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The treachous sold out Greek government of PASOK supported by New Democracy and communist parties Syriza and KKE will eventually recognise Kosovo for political reasons.
However,the recognistion of Kosovo by the sold out Greek government won't be on the basis of because; Serbia was one of the first to recognise FYROM as Macedonia and there fore we the Greeks are returning you the favour - in truth, they couldn't care less but rather it is the Jewish Zionist who dictate the agenda for the Balkans.If Mitsotakis of New Democracy back in 1992 had taken up the offer from Milosivic win dividing up FYROM to the point where Grecece and Serbia would be sharing borders, then none of this problem of Kosovo and FYROM would exist and the Albanian UCK and Skopijan clowns would know very well that if they messed with Greece and or Serbia, they would be kicked up,real quick and smart.
(Constantinos Kyriakopoulos, 17 February 2010 05:38)
Now before you mouth off any further nonsense, let me clarify a couple of things with you. 1) The KKE doesnt support the PASOK government of Papandreou, 2) The KKE does not support the US imperialist agenda in the Balkans, i.e. Pristina's UDD. In fact on many ocassions KKE MEPs have spoken out against Kosovo's UDD in the Euro Parliament and voted against the Christian Democrat/Liberal resolution which called on MEPs to support the Pristina's UDD.
3) Milosevic never offered any deal to Athens about partioning Macedonia. Yugoslavia recognised Macedonia's independence declaration in October 1991 and the JNA withdrew the following month.
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Wow, I see... definitely we Albanians are surrounded with enemies from all sides. Remember that Israel was attacked from three sides, Syria, Egypt and Jordan, but in the end they all lost to Israel, and Israel took over almost half of Egypt, and highlands of Syria (still under Israel). So do be so sure about this, if you had accepted that deal from Milosevic, you would have now lived in your tiny islands. There is nothing during the history of mankind that managed to take the holy land of Albanians away, turks tried for 500 years, Romans tried that too, but they all lost.
We might be a tiny nation, but we will never give up an inch of our territory, Kosovo is a good example.
Any you can have a common border with Serbs once you meet each other in Russia, where you both came form.
(kosovari, 17 February 2010 17:39)
Sorry kosovari - You Albanians are not like Israel. Show me man, when Kosovo was part of ANY albanian state, and tell me what albanian ruler ruled in Kosovo 500 years ago.
Yes my friend - this is a brutal thruth - Kosovo was NEVER part of any independent albanian state (despite fascist italian puppet during WW II). Kosovo is not holy albanian land - but serbian holy land, where is masterpieces of serbian architecture, where are burned the most powerful rulers of Serbia and where is real religious soul of Serbia. This is serbian land.
Bravo Greece!!!!
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It seems that there is a bit of misunderstanding around here when we even mention the words "independence" and "succession". Let me make this very simple and clear:
To "succeed" successfully, you have to DO IT 110% ON YOUR OWN!!! If anyone else helps you, you are essentially tied to them to some degree and are therefore just that much less independent. In the case of Kosovo this alone strips it of most (if not all) of it's sovereignty.
Here is a good analogy. Let's pretend Serbia is a family composed of a husband, a wife, and two songs - one teenager, one adult. The teenage kid decides to move out and go solo as he is no longer happy staying with the family. Now that kid is a teenager, so he doesn't have really any income, very little protection and little connections... where will he go??
Now if that kid were to one day get food and shelter from another adult (USA and NATO) that kid feels he is really independent. He feels he is making it on his own but little does he know, nothing is free and this adult is going to want something in return for his troubles sooner or later. The kid still doesn't know what the price of this help is or could be.
So you see this whole Kosovo succession business is nothing more than the same analogy of a teenage run-away. He is bound to return home either on his own or someone will return him to the parents. The key portion of the premise is the word "teenager" because Kosovo is simply too poor and immature to succeed on its own. Vojvodina is the adult kid - good income level, militarily sound and many connections.
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Albanian posters here should watch what they say about the Greek debt issue. Just yesterday, there was an article about the West wanting Kosovo to start supporting itself instead of relying on foreign aid to run the government. There is no economy in this "country". Your government is begging for money because everyone avoids paying taxes. Walk into a store downtown and notice that the register is never running. Money is swapped out of a drawer below the register. And the majority of your corrupt politicians live opulent lifestyles with highly paid salaries. Sediju is paid more than any other president in the former Yugoslavia while the average government employee makes less than €300 a month! There will be some pressure, but on Kosovo, not Greece. Greece, a Euro zone member whose economy affects the value of the Euro, is in a better bargaining position than Kosovo, which is basically a beggar nation.
I wouldn’t listen to your politicians too much. Two years later, only 65 countries have recognized your “country”. And he can’t say that other EU countries are going to exert pressure when he isn’t an EU member or spokesperson. EU before 2020? The EU learned about what happens when you let countries with uncontrolled corruption into the EU when it let Romania and Bulgaria enter. Plus, no economy and failing to live up to EU standards will keep you out.
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I think you'll find Kosovari, that near enough every Balkan state is surrounded by enemies on all sides.
And like you say, if the Turks couldn't take Kosovo from Serbia, what chance do you have of making this stick?
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