Belgrade to intl. community: Condemn warmongering

Krasnici is just trying to draw attention from domestic problems in Kosovo. He is aware of the beatdown the terrorists got last time, (with international approval) so this is just some attempt at distraction from the police strike, the correction officers protests yesterday, and the court officials protest today.

Anyway, he calls for violence from his office job knowing he is too cowardly to participate in it. He should put his money where his mouth is.

BUT what about if either car OR house is stolen (OR both stolen like Kosovo and Presevo valley stolen from Albania) and finally the rightful owner obatin the possession of his/her property (with neighbours acting as witness)....

WHAT THEN...????
(PRN, 11 February 2010, 10:34)
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PRN, if there is a dispute you check with the registration office to see who is the lawful owner. In this case, the UN says it's Serbia so Ivanović is correct.

I guess the problems in Kosovo are greater then anyone previously thougt. This is what happens when people don't have jobs. They become desprerate and illusional just like Krasniqi.

That's why we'll never hear politicians from the Preševo valley making similar announcements. This lie, that we hear so often, from Montenegro, Bulgaria, FYROM and others that "Kosova" is a stability factor in the Balkans will be exposed for what it is, a lie.
(Zoran, 11 February 2010, 10:33)

Bang on the button Zoran. If anything this new Kosova-Disneyland thingy has fuelled irridentist Albanian nationalism that in the medium term will prove to be an unstable force. It is clear that the current status quo is simply not feasable.

"The least we can expect is for the EU and KFOR and NATO representatives, for the representatives of UNMIK and EULEX, to condemn this and make it clear to Jakup Krasniqi and to everyone else, that these stories should not be placed in public that they are damaging and dangerous," said Ivanović.
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Exactly, my point yesterday. "Kosova" was supposed to bring stability to the region but if this continues, it will bring the complete opposite. What next, regions of FYROM and Montenegro to join up with "Greater Albania"?

That's why we'll never hear politicians from the Preševo valley making similar announcements. This lie, that we hear so often, from Montenegro, Bulgaria, FYROM and others that "Kosova" is a stability factor in the Balkans will be exposed for what it is, a lie.

Krasan krasniqi, i'm happy that krasniqi is helping the Serb media spread the albanian extremist ideas, it will get the Serbs even more upset.
It will be hard for US to defend the albanians when they are trying to brake up another legitimate country where they make up 0.1%
This sitation has the abilty to escalate to WW3 but would the West risk everything for albanians? I dont think so.

Kosovo and Presevo valley stolen from Albania) and finally the rightful owner obatin the possession of his/her property (with neighbours acting as witness)....

WHAT THEN...????
(PRN, 11 February 2010 10:34)

And in which century did it happen....

"Serbia will not exchange something that is hers for something else that is hers, nor is the concept of partition and exchange of territory on the table at all from our side. We have absolutely rejected that idea," he stated on Wednesday.

Calm down Olli. If you say is something that is 'ours' with something else that is 'ours'...then why do you get nervous.

Accoriding to your philosophy you cannot exchange your car with your house...I agree with you one this...BUT what about if either car OR house is stolen (OR both stolen like Kosovo and Presevo valley stolen from Albania) and finally the rightful owner obatin the possession of his/her property (with neighbours acting as witness)....

WHAT THEN...????

Serbs, as they have expressed, wish to be left the hell alone up there. It's rather simple.
(Jason, 12 February 2010 16:43)

Mister, why don't you leave us the hell alone too then?

@Jason: Call for violence? When, where? I didn't see or hear it. Did I miss it?
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(Jan Andersen (DK), 11 February 2010 11:22)

Violence is part and parcel of the Albanian gameplan. Look at the three terrorist uprisings in Macedonia, Presevo, and Kosovo. Have you ever seen any other way of them doing business? You cannot have secession and change of borders without violence, as they have shown three times in little over a decade.

@Jason: Call for violence? When, where? I didn't see or hear it. Did I miss it?
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@Jason: Call for violence? When, where? I didn't see or hear it. Did I miss it?

Jan Andersen (DK)

Albanians threaten stability in the area by suggesting they want seperation, despite the fact that Presevo has a mixed population. The threat is indirect but I guess you failed to see that.

(Zoran, 11 February 2010 13:05)

Who cares what UN says, does Israel ask for UN permission when they bombed Lebanon? Did Russia asked UN when they bombed Georgia? Did NATO ask UN when they bombed Serbia, when will you ppl understand UN has no power and I have yet to find any UN resolution which condems Kosovo's Independence, have you found a single one? Have you? Tell us Jason-UNMIK who work for them, is there any resoluation which condemns Kosovo's decleration of Independence?

"Violence is part and parcel of the Serbian gameplan. Look at the three wars in Croatia, Bosnia, and Kosovo. Have you ever seen any other way of them doing business?"
Pejoni

Serbs haven't forgotten how albanians, croats and bosnian muslims buthchered serbs during WW2. And you are actually surprised serbs took up arms agains our sworn enemies. You think we would allow for you to once again slaughter and bully us like you did during WW2?

Serbs might never get back control over all of Kosovo but we certainly won't give up the north and other serb controlled areas and we certainly won't let some criminals albanians take control of Presevo.

PRN wrote:

"The highest organ of the UN is the UNSC. The UNSC is in our favour (3:1 with Chine being neutral). We also have the neighbours as WITNESS which COUNT MUCH MORE ethically/morally than what Mongolia or Laos think about Kosovo. "

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How can you say that China is neutral when China did something they have not done before? They participated in the oral presentation of supporting Serbia at ICJ.
If you call this neutral then you really don't want to see what is right under your nose.

Anyway, it only take one veto but Serbia has two of them.
So go on, continue to be delusional. It doesn't hurt Serbia, only you.

@Jason: Call for violence? When, where? I didn't see or hear it. Did I miss it?
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(Jan Andersen (DK), 11 February 2010 11:22)

“If some of the Serbs are not ready to live in the northern part and think that they can separate from Kosovo, then the Albanians of the Preševo valley are ready to join Kosovo,” the Kosovo assembly president, Jakup Krasniqi said, according to media in Priština."

What do you call this? Invitation to peace?
Calling on the albanians in Presevo to separate, this would cause quiet an interesting atmosphere in the balkans. The 90's would be paradise to what would happen!

This is not warmongering but a reality check for Serbia and Serbs

Violence is part and parcel of the Albanian gameplan. Look at the three terrorist uprisings in Macedonia, Presevo, and Kosovo. Have you ever seen any other way of them doing business? You cannot have secession and change of borders without violence, as they have shown three times in little over a decade.
(Jason, 11 February 2010 12:33)

Violence is part and parcel of the Serbian gameplan. Look at the three wars in Croatia, Bosnia, and Kosovo. Have you ever seen any other way of them doing business? You cannot have secession and change of borders without violence, as they have shown three times in little over a decade.

Quite interesting dont you agree, I know IC would agree with me.

Zoran,

The highest organ of the UN is the UNSC. The UNSC is in our favour (3:1 with Chine being neutral). We also have the neighbours as WITNESS which COUNT MUCH MORE ethically/morally than what Mongolia or Laos think about Kosovo.

Remember since Russia realised that Serbia is unfaithful, Moscow recognition of KOsovo may be imminent, probaby this year.

WHAT NEXT for Serbia????

The highest organ of the UN is the UNSC. The UNSC is in our favour (3:1 with Chine being neutral).
(PRN, 11 February 2010 12:22)
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PRN, you don't understand the rules. The UNSC is not a "democracy" as each permanent member has the power to Veto. It only takes one to disagree but we have both Russia and China. Therefore PRN, based on the rules of the game (i.e International Law), Ivanović is still correct. The UN has not changed its opinion.

Come on, get that imagination working. What else can you think of?

Calling on the albanians in Presevo to separate, this would cause quiet an interesting atmosphere in the balkans. The 90's would be paradise to what would happen!
(AdamSRB)

But calling on Serbs North of Ibar to separate from Kosova (let's be real this is Serbia's ultimate goal) is not disruptive to regional peace?
It takes two to tango.

I'm not exactly sure "warmongering" is the operative word since Albanians can't "monger" a "war" on their own. Even the armchair generals in the pizzerias here speak of only *starting* a conflict in order to get Belgrade to respond, and then *hope* on the fact that the US and NATO will come to their rescue. Albanians don't fight wars on their own because they are incapable of fighting wars on their own. They are however capable of destabilizing the region to the point where larger powers must act.

But I suspect the muted response from the West has more to do with embarassment over trying to explain how Europe's "youngest democrats" or whatever they're called are still beating the drums of 1990s irredentism. At the end of the day, there's little Krasniqi and other neo-Illyrians can do except preach radicalism. It's a fantastic way of diverting attention away from dysfunctional infrastructures and a lack of improvement in the quality of life. Think of it: if Kosovo were that awesome, Serbs wouldn't be forced to join. If Kosovo were that productive, Albanians wouldn't be getting Serbian passports to leave. And if the US really cared about Kosovo, as Albanians like to think they do, Belgrade would have been pressured a long time ago to give up.

“Violence is part and parcel of the Albanian gameplan. Look at the three terrorist uprisings in Macedonia, Presevo, and Kosovo”.


Terrorist uprisings can not and will be never supported by the most developed democratic countries in the world. Such uprising in Kosovo, Macedonia and Presevo where fully supported by them and the bombs of NATO and Europe everywhere in Serbia just proved that. If you want to interpret it as it suits you better then u have a problem with yourself. Moreover you are in wrong place over there in Kosovo. People who work in KS are supposed to help and contribute positively in all aspect while extremists like you are just useless consumers of taxes. You better go in Serbia and you will find there the paradise including some girlfriend matters which you like most in Serbia.

“Have you ever seen any other way of them doing business? You cannot have secession and change of borders without violence, as they have shown three times in little over a decade.”

Had u ever seen in Europe a country where minorities comprising up to 40 % of population are treated as second class citizens without basic rights? Sorry but the Slavic dominated governments of Serbia and Macedonia had neither the will nor the interest to make this people rightfully citizens of their countries therefore the war was the only option to win their basic rights. Indeed that is what they actually understand otherwise the history has shown that no better choice is acceptable. Nobody wants war, neither is it the best variant but on the other side it is much better than being lackey of the government who wants only the territory but not the people. We have never seen better solution offered by Serbia expect force. That is exactly what Serbia got in response. I am sorry but this is the truth. We are looking forward now for better future and equal respect from both sides. However some rotten minds like you prefer more to bark the same old melody which some communists and dictators around the world still play. Good luck with them.

is there any resoluation which condemns Kosovo's decleration of Independence?
(Pejoni, 11 February 2010 15:12)
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Exactly, we understand your position very well. War, war, war, theft, war, theft.... who cares? What a lovely world you support.

Marinels

“You mister humanitarian worker have a problem of being more emotional than objective. I have a military background so let me explain you something. Such war tactic as UCPMB did have not the main goal to confront with the military face to face but rather to draw attention to the certain problem which was the rights of Albanian there. The safety zone didn’t allow Serbian military to fight face to face too although being superior against the fighters there.”

Thanks for the military advise but I served in the army and worked for years in the LE side of counter terrorism - I know a terrorist when I see one. You are correct, and everyone knows that Albanian terrorists could not take on the Serbian forces head-on. That is why they committed heinous atrocities against civilians to draw attention to their cause. Classic terrorism. Serb forces killed Albanians in reprisal attacks, sure, because you KLA were cowards who fled into the mountains and left the civilian population behind. Classy.

“As for Kosovo we saw what response did the Serbian military gave to the “terrorists”. 80 % of casualties were civilians despite the fact that Serbs were fighting KLA. I would rather speak about the terrorist state of Serbia more than individual terrorists. The way how Serbia responded to the Albanians ignited more hate and intervention of NATO. A well disciplined army would avoid civilian’s casualties in order to justify the actions against armed groups. But the Serbian mentality couldn’t be different that time as they always thought they could do whatever they wanted in Kosovo. End of the story was clear… “

WOW! “A well disciplined army would avoid civilian’s casualties in order to justify the actions against armed groups.” So I am guessing that NATO is not a well disciplined army wither considering the killing of civilians in 1999. I could also mention the hundreds of thousands of dead Iraqi and Afghan civilians. Germany is hardly a good example of this “well disciplined army. What do you say to that???

“In Macedonia the Lions were comprised of terrorists who afterward were indicated in Hague. A bunch of cowards who kill civilians (Luboten case) and pretend to be Special Forces don’t have much credibility. Even less could they keep the Macedonian state on foot. What I remember from those cowards was killing of some innocent Pakistani civilians in order to show the loyalty of Macedonians in war “against terrorisms”. I have learned, during my studies at the military academy in Germany, much about military capabilities of Balkan countries. Macedonia was the last in all aspects. I doubt very much that the Lions or whatever terrorists were, could stand against experienced fighters from Kosovo war and experienced military officers of ex Albanian people army.”

Germany. Now it all makes sense. You know, I must say my country and Germany are the biggest problems in Kosovo. Your clowns from the BND are running around here interfering in everything, including investigations, because they are using the very worst criminals as sources. As for your remarks about the “cowards who kill civilians (Luboten case) and pretend to be Special Forces don’t have much credibility.” This reminds me of the KLA perfectly... cowards who kill civilians.

I can't read anywhere that Kranici mentioned anything on ''war'' ! So to answer Oli; that's the reason why his comment did not meet with reaction from the international community.

I guess, '' warmongering'' is just a new phrase in Serbian politics, to show Serbs as victims. Tadic used it re: Mesic comments, and now Oli nicked it, how original!

Such uprising in Kosovo, Macedonia and Presevo where fully supported by them and the bombs of NATO and Europe everywhere in Serbia just proved that.

Marinels,

Proved that!?!?!?! Kosovo, yes. Macedonia and Presevo? Hell no. What were you smoking back then? Serbian forces gave the terrorists what they deserved in Presevo. In Macedonia, the Lions just started doing what needed to be done when a peace deal was brokered. In neither case did NATO bomb Serbia or Macedonia. Get a grip.

For the record, I do not hate Albanians, I simply find that they broke international law. Furthermore, some of my comments here can be harsh, but they are directed at the hatemongers like Bekim or Kosovo-USA. I can recognize that imternet forums can bring out the worst in people, myself included at times. Be it as it may, to try and lump me into the "I hate Albanians camp" is rather weak.

I am not saying Serbs are angels and Albanians devils, but in this PARTICULAR case in the north, the people advocating violence are Albanians. Serbs, as they have expressed, wish to be left the hell alone up there. It's rather simple.
(Jason, 12 February 2010 16:43)
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Reread your comments of late and say you do not hate Albanians. Americans who come to Kosovo to help usually side one way or the other --alot of times by the girl half their age that wants a green card, but I have never seen one pro Serb or pro Albanian that actually takes on the hatred for the other side like you have.
I have not heard any one official advocate violence in the north only some of the extremists on this site.
You paint this Utopia in the north. But who was it last year that caused the problem when Albanians began (re)building their homes. It is the same concept as 1999 we want peace without Albanians in sight.
Many in the KKK would always protest "we do not hate blacks" we are only protecting the rights of whites--do you think they were right?
I am just saying your posts have gone from being pro Serb to being anti Albanian and there is a difference.

Belgrade to intl. community: Condemn warmongering.
And who is Serbia trying here to full.

World knows who is the warmongerin machine in Balkans, and they are laughing at this call. or maybe, Serbia is being scared from Kosovo.
Anyhow, it is funny and nice joke.

Violence is part and parcel of the Albanian gameplan. Look at the three terrorist uprisings in Macedonia, Presevo, and Kosovo. Have you ever seen any other way of them doing business? You cannot have secession and change of borders without violence, as they have shown three times in little over a decade.
(Jason, 11 February 2010 12:33)

Violence is part and parcel of the Serbian gameplan. Look at the three wars in Croatia, Bosnia, and Kosovo. Have you ever seen any other way of them doing business? You cannot have secession and change of borders without violence, as they have shown three times in little over a decade.

Quite interesting dont you agree, I know IC would agree with me.
(Pejoni, 11 February 2010 14:54)

Yet somehow Pejoni, despite them using exactly the same tactics, the Albanians are always the good guys and the Serbs are always the bad guys.

"Serbia will not exchange something that is hers for something else that is hers…” said Ivanovic.

Correction: "Serbia will not exchange something that is hers for something else that is NOT hers…” should have said Ivanovic!

Admittedly Mr Jakupi shouldn’t have brought this issue at all up, but he just reminded Serbia that reciprocity is always valid procedure. So Serbia should stop trying to snatch Northern Kosova in order to avoid reciprocity with South Serbia.

But calling on Serbs North of Ibar to separate from Kosova
(Zoti, 11 February 2010 16:50)
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What do Serbs north of the Ibar have to do with an African tribe? Kosova is a Bantu tribe which inhabits the Kissii district in Nyanza, western Kenya.

Serbs, as they have expressed, wish to be left the hell alone up there. It's rather simple.
(Jason, 12 February 2010 16:43)

Mister, why don't you leave us the hell alone too then?
(miri, 12 February 2010 18:48)

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Get off our property then. :)

Moscow recognition of KOsovo may be imminent, probaby this year.

WHAT NEXT for Serbia????
(PRN, 11 February 2010 12:22)

What's next, what's next, good question, what's next on the employment agenda in kosovo??
50, 60 70% unemployed...., this is the reality that you have not been able to address for the last 12 years and that your nationalistic comments will not solve either!!

@Jason: Call for violence? When, where? I didn't see or hear it. Did I miss it?
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(Jan Andersen (DK), 11 February 2010 11:22)

Wear different glasses and read again...

But calling on Serbs North of Ibar to separate from Kosova (let's be real this is Serbia's ultimate goal) is not disruptive to regional peace?
It takes two to tango.

Yes Zoti, but the moves of Serbs North of the Ibar is only a reaction to the decleration of independence.

I know you won't agree with this but they (and Belgrade) would like Kosovo to remain whole - within Serbia. Since you won't ever agree to that, we have this impasse.

Thats why negotiations are necessary. Its better done at the table, you never get thanked for it because all those that have lost / lose their loved ones don't didn't know how bad it can get.

Way to miss the point. Serbs are not calling for violence - they simply wish to be left the hell alone. The only suggestion of violence comes from Albanians who want the north at all costs. You will have to come up with something better than this argument to try and work Milosevic into this discussion.
(Jason, 12 February 2010 07:24)
Actually you miss the point. You claim to be American, if this were so you would have no reason to have such blatant hatred for the Albanian people.
There is no way you can convince anyone but the other proSerb posters in here that it is purely the Albanians who want violence and the Serbians are only innocent peace loving souls.
(pss, 12 February 2010 14:32)

Oh, I see, the same old tired comeback - I cannot be an American because all Americans adore Albanians. Try finding some new material, eh?

For the record, I do not hate Albanians, I simply find that they broke international law. Furthermore, some of my comments here can be harsh, but they are directed at the hatemongers like Bekim or Kosovo-USA. I can recognize that imternet forums can bring out the worst in people, myself included at times. Be it as it may, to try and lump me into the "I hate Albanians camp" is rather weak.

I am not saying Serbs are angels and Albanians devils, but in this PARTICULAR case in the north, the people advocating violence are Albanians. Serbs, as they have expressed, wish to be left the hell alone up there. It's rather simple.

Way to miss the point. Serbs are not calling for violence - they simply wish to be left the hell alone. The only suggestion of violence comes from Albanians who want the north at all costs. You will have to come up with something better than this argument to try and work Milosevic into this discussion.
(Jason, 12 February 2010 07:24)
Actually you miss the point. You claim to be American, if this were so you would have no reason to have such blatant hatred for the Albanian people.
There is no way you can convince anyone but the other proSerb posters in here that it is purely the Albanians who want violence and the Serbians are only innocent peace loving souls.

I found the threats by Mesic over Bosnia much more serious. It is inevitable that Albanians will want to talk about Presevo when a split of Kosovo is discussed.

Violence is part and parcel of the Albanian gameplan. Look at the three terrorist uprisings in Macedonia, Presevo, and Kosovo. Have you ever seen any other way of them doing business? You cannot have secession and change of borders without violence, as they have shown three times in little over a decade.
(Jason, 11 February 2010 12:33)
Spoken by a true Serbian, the old gameplan in effect. The Albanians are a violent bunch so it is justified for Serbia to use force to put them in their place. Your last name would not be Milosevic, would it?
(pss, 11 February 2010 22:39)

Way to miss the point. Serbs are not calling for violence - they simply wish to be left the hell alone. The only suggestion of violence comes from Albanians who want the north at all costs. You will have to come up with something better than this argument to try and work Milosevic into this discussion.

Oaf said,

"Facts exist, and sooner or later they are going to face the justice."

Who is it that will "the justice?" The facts will face "the justice?" What are you trying to say here?

“Such uprising in Kosovo, Macedonia and Presevo where fully supported by them and the bombs of NATO and Europe everywhere in Serbia just proved that.

Marinels,

Proved that!?!?!?! Kosovo, yes. Macedonia and Presevo? Hell no. What were you smoking back then? Serbian forces gave the terrorists what they deserved in Presevo. In Macedonia, the Lions just started doing what needed to be done when a peace deal was brokered. In neither case did NATO bomb Serbia or Macedonia. Get a grip.”

The support for Albanian cause in Kosovo, Macedonia and Presevo proved that the uprising there were not terrorist activities as you like to portrait them. Otherwise the bombs of NATO would have hit the KLA, and UCPMB and not Serbia and Serbian military. In Macedonia even less, KLA forced the government with the fully support of international community to negotiate for more rights of ethnic Albanians.

You mister humanitarian worker have a problem of being more emotional than objective. I have a military background so let me explain you something. Such war tactic as UCPMB did have not the main goal to confront with the military face to face but rather to draw attention to the certain problem which was the rights of Albanian there. The safety zone didn’t allow Serbian military to fight face to face too although being superior against the fighters there.

As for Kosovo we saw what response did the Serbian military gave to the “terrorists”. 80 % of casualties were civilians despite the fact that Serbs were fighting KLA. I would rather speak about the terrorist state of Serbia more than individual terrorists. The way how Serbia responded to the Albanians ignited more hate and intervention of NATO. A well disciplined army would avoid civilian’s casualties in order to justify the actions against armed groups. But the Serbian mentality couldn’t be different that time as they always thought they could do whatever they wanted in Kosovo. End of the story was clear…

In Macedonia the Lions were comprised of terrorists who afterward were indicated in Hague. A bunch of cowards who kill civilians (Luboten case) and pretend to be Special Forces don’t have much credibility. Even less could they keep the Macedonian state on foot. What I remember from those cowards was killing of some innocent Pakistani civilians in order to show the loyalty of Macedonians in war “against terrorisms”. I have learned, during my studies at the military academy in Germany, much about military capabilities of Balkan countries. Macedonia was the last in all aspects. I doubt very much that the Lions or whatever terrorists were, could stand against experienced fighters from Kosovo war and experienced military officers of ex Albanian people army.

Violence is part and parcel of the Albanian gameplan. Look at the three terrorist uprisings in Macedonia, Presevo, and Kosovo. Have you ever seen any other way of them doing business? You cannot have secession and change of borders without violence, as they have shown three times in little over a decade.
(Jason, 11 February 2010 12:33)
Spoken by a true Serbian, the old gameplan in effect. The Albanians are a violent bunch so it is justified for Serbia to use force to put them in their place. Your last name would not be Milosevic, would it?

How is saying Presheva might choose to separate if N.Mitrovica choses to separate any different from each other. How is N. Mitrovica choosing to separate not warmongering while Presheva choosing to separate is warmongering? How is one popullation choosing to go its own way not warmongering while another population choosing to go its way is warmongering? Only in Serbia can two equal things be not equal. If Presheva says they are now separate who is gonna do the warmogering? If N. Mitrovica says they are now separate who is gonna do the warmongering. Minister by your own logic Serbia claiming Kosova as her's IS WARMONGERING. That is why nobody buys what Serbia has to say anymore. Because while you ask for no double standards you yourself employ double standards.

Anyways What Krasniqi says was only a deterrent in case some in Serbia get strange ideas about an Abhazia like scenario on N.Mitrovica. There needs to be a reminder from time to time that as it has always been the plans made in Belgrade are never smooth like they want them to be.

"Serbia will not exchange something that is hers for something else that is hers, nor is the concept of partition and exchange of territory on the table at all from our side. We have absolutely rejected that idea," he stated on Wednesday.
B92

Sure thing mr minister,same thing we heard in 1981,1998 from your leadership, but things have change, have you tried visiting Kosova/o lately ?, who knows by mistake KPS wil ship you someplace else instead at Merdare checkpoint, If I was you I'd be careful within the buffer zone too.

PRN:
> The highest organ of the UN is the UNSC. The UNSC is in our favour (3:1 with Chine being neutral).

UN SC has 15 members of which only 6 have recognised trouble-making 'pseudo-state'.

Which means that SC has gone from an organ in which there was majority support for independence to one in which there isn't.

So the situation has changed from one where resolutions supporting 'fake-state' would be torpedoed by a russian or chinese veto, to one where resolutions supporting Serbia's claims would be scuppered by a US, british or french veto.

Prior to January 1, you could indeed have claimed that the SC was indeed 'in your favour'.

That is no longer the case.

Wlll said Marinels, and I totaly agree with you.
Milosevic propaganda machine is still trying to twist facts but with not sucess.
Facts exist, and sooner or later they are going to face the justice.
As it is, all those terrorist and Serbian war criminals that roam free streets of Serbia, or even EU now, are the worst representatives of Serbia together with their supporters in here and eleswhere.

Yes Zoti, but the moves of Serbs North of the Ibar is only a reaction to the decleration of independence.

I know you won't agree with this but they (and Belgrade) would like Kosovo to remain whole - within Serbia. Since you won't ever agree to that, we have this impasse.

Thats why negotiations are necessary. Its better done at the table, you never get thanked for it because all those that have lost / lose their loved ones don't didn't know how bad it can get.
(bganon, 11 February 2010)

Bganon with al due respect what is it that you are offering that we don't have?
As things stand the only thing the two parties can negotiate for is recognition of independence for the North of Ibar.

Even that may be a little farfetched since the Europeans seem hellbent on keeping the North within Kosova.

I have to add that I might be in the minority as many Kosovar Albanians are way more hardline than I am given what they've been through.

Many Serbs fail to realize that Kosova is the Cradle of Albanian nationalism, it is the place where modern day Albania as an independent nation was first envisioned. For all the talk that Kosova is Serbia's Jerusalem we have proven over the last century to which people Kosova means more and whose Jerusalem it is.

If we are to believe Serb statistics which show that Serbs were a majority in Kosova 100 years ago it speaks volumes that today they've dwindled to less than 10% even thouth Kosova was under Serb control for over 80 years.

Serbs like to believe in fairy tales like Kosovars are Albanian immigrants when the opposite is true. There are plenty of Kosovar Albanian immigrants who settled in Albania after being expelled by Serbia during the two wolrd wars. To this day their settlements in Durres and Fier are still easily distinguishable from the local population.

Jason I am still waiting for you to point out the specific international law we broke. This international law seems to be in the heads of the Serbs and their camp, and as each day passes the more convinced I become that Serbs and their camp really like believing in fictitious things. Be very specific Jason.

The question Serbia posed to the ICJ is a very specific one. "Is the declaration of independence illegal?"

All I am asking you and the Serb camp is to provide me with the international law that specifically states that declarations of independence of autonomous regions are indeed illegal under international law. Can you provide this piece of legislation?

Until you provide us with that legislation you can continue to be the defender knight of inexistent laws.

Fact of the matter is that as things are now in this world there is NO INTERNATIONAL LAW that regulates declarations of independence.

Warmongering got Serbia to enter Schengen white list, shouldn't others use it too.

On 11 February 2010 12:33, Jason wrote: "You cannot have secession and change of borders without violence, (...)"

Sure you can. In my experience, the violence is usually started by the people that wants to STOP the secession.

Why would the secessionist take to violence if nobody opposes them? Because they think violence is fun??
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Serbs, as they have expressed, wish to be left the hell alone up there. It's rather simple.
(Jason, 12 February 2010 16:43)

Mister, why don't you leave us the hell alone too then?
(miri, 12 February 2010 18:48)
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You lost that privilege when you broke the law by stealing a territory which is not yours.
Imagine a thief telling the cop to leave them alone.
This is really precious.

BTW, for those of you who are questioning Jason about his nationality because he is siding with Serbs I say that one people get to know what you do there, they don't have to be Serbian to develop the attitude Jason has.

Fact of the matter is that as things are now in this world there is NO INTERNATIONAL LAW that regulates declarations of independence.
(johny, 12 February 2010 20:48)

And it can't... It's a nonsense to claim otherwise.

1. By definition the int'l law is the inter-nation law; i.e. the law between states.

2. By definition, a declaration of independence is an act of a non-state entity

How could then (1) regulate (2) ?!!!

As far as I know Jakup Krasniqi said Kosovo should get the Presevo Valley ONLY IF the northern parts of Kosovo became part of Serbia.

The man who begin the process of violent annexation of lands beyond the 1945-1990 Yugoslav borders was the Serb dictator SLOBODAN MILOSEVIC.

"Serbia will not exchange something that is hers for something else that is hers, nor is the concept of partition and exchange of territory on the table at all from our side. We have absolutely rejected that idea," he stated on Wednesday.

Calm down Olli. If you say is something that is 'ours' with something else that is 'ours'...then why do you get nervous.

Accoriding to your philosophy you cannot exchange your car with your house...I agree with you one this...BUT what about if either car OR house is stolen (OR both stolen like Kosovo and Presevo valley stolen from Albania) and finally the rightful owner obatin the possession of his/her property (with neighbours acting as witness)....

WHAT THEN...????

Zoran,

The highest organ of the UN is the UNSC. The UNSC is in our favour (3:1 with Chine being neutral). We also have the neighbours as WITNESS which COUNT MUCH MORE ethically/morally than what Mongolia or Laos think about Kosovo.

Remember since Russia realised that Serbia is unfaithful, Moscow recognition of KOsovo may be imminent, probaby this year.

WHAT NEXT for Serbia????

Krasnici is just trying to draw attention from domestic problems in Kosovo. He is aware of the beatdown the terrorists got last time, (with international approval) so this is just some attempt at distraction from the police strike, the correction officers protests yesterday, and the court officials protest today.

Anyway, he calls for violence from his office job knowing he is too cowardly to participate in it. He should put his money where his mouth is.

@Jason: Call for violence? When, where? I didn't see or hear it. Did I miss it?
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@Jason: Call for violence? When, where? I didn't see or hear it. Did I miss it?
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(Jan Andersen (DK), 11 February 2010 11:22)

Violence is part and parcel of the Albanian gameplan. Look at the three terrorist uprisings in Macedonia, Presevo, and Kosovo. Have you ever seen any other way of them doing business? You cannot have secession and change of borders without violence, as they have shown three times in little over a decade.

BUT what about if either car OR house is stolen (OR both stolen like Kosovo and Presevo valley stolen from Albania) and finally the rightful owner obatin the possession of his/her property (with neighbours acting as witness)....

WHAT THEN...????
(PRN, 11 February 2010, 10:34)
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PRN, if there is a dispute you check with the registration office to see who is the lawful owner. In this case, the UN says it's Serbia so Ivanović is correct.

is there any resoluation which condemns Kosovo's decleration of Independence?
(Pejoni, 11 February 2010 15:12)
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Exactly, we understand your position very well. War, war, war, theft, war, theft.... who cares? What a lovely world you support.

I guess the problems in Kosovo are greater then anyone previously thougt. This is what happens when people don't have jobs. They become desprerate and illusional just like Krasniqi.

That's why we'll never hear politicians from the Preševo valley making similar announcements. This lie, that we hear so often, from Montenegro, Bulgaria, FYROM and others that "Kosova" is a stability factor in the Balkans will be exposed for what it is, a lie.
(Zoran, 11 February 2010, 10:33)

Bang on the button Zoran. If anything this new Kosova-Disneyland thingy has fuelled irridentist Albanian nationalism that in the medium term will prove to be an unstable force. It is clear that the current status quo is simply not feasable.

Kosovo and Presevo valley stolen from Albania) and finally the rightful owner obatin the possession of his/her property (with neighbours acting as witness)....

WHAT THEN...????
(PRN, 11 February 2010 10:34)

And in which century did it happen....

"Violence is part and parcel of the Serbian gameplan. Look at the three wars in Croatia, Bosnia, and Kosovo. Have you ever seen any other way of them doing business?"
Pejoni

Serbs haven't forgotten how albanians, croats and bosnian muslims buthchered serbs during WW2. And you are actually surprised serbs took up arms agains our sworn enemies. You think we would allow for you to once again slaughter and bully us like you did during WW2?

Serbs might never get back control over all of Kosovo but we certainly won't give up the north and other serb controlled areas and we certainly won't let some criminals albanians take control of Presevo.

The highest organ of the UN is the UNSC. The UNSC is in our favour (3:1 with Chine being neutral).
(PRN, 11 February 2010 12:22)
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PRN, you don't understand the rules. The UNSC is not a "democracy" as each permanent member has the power to Veto. It only takes one to disagree but we have both Russia and China. Therefore PRN, based on the rules of the game (i.e International Law), Ivanović is still correct. The UN has not changed its opinion.

Come on, get that imagination working. What else can you think of?

"The least we can expect is for the EU and KFOR and NATO representatives, for the representatives of UNMIK and EULEX, to condemn this and make it clear to Jakup Krasniqi and to everyone else, that these stories should not be placed in public that they are damaging and dangerous," said Ivanović.
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Exactly, my point yesterday. "Kosova" was supposed to bring stability to the region but if this continues, it will bring the complete opposite. What next, regions of FYROM and Montenegro to join up with "Greater Albania"?

That's why we'll never hear politicians from the Preševo valley making similar announcements. This lie, that we hear so often, from Montenegro, Bulgaria, FYROM and others that "Kosova" is a stability factor in the Balkans will be exposed for what it is, a lie.

Krasan krasniqi, i'm happy that krasniqi is helping the Serb media spread the albanian extremist ideas, it will get the Serbs even more upset.
It will be hard for US to defend the albanians when they are trying to brake up another legitimate country where they make up 0.1%
This sitation has the abilty to escalate to WW3 but would the West risk everything for albanians? I dont think so.

This is not warmongering but a reality check for Serbia and Serbs

PRN wrote:

"The highest organ of the UN is the UNSC. The UNSC is in our favour (3:1 with Chine being neutral). We also have the neighbours as WITNESS which COUNT MUCH MORE ethically/morally than what Mongolia or Laos think about Kosovo. "

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How can you say that China is neutral when China did something they have not done before? They participated in the oral presentation of supporting Serbia at ICJ.
If you call this neutral then you really don't want to see what is right under your nose.

Anyway, it only take one veto but Serbia has two of them.
So go on, continue to be delusional. It doesn't hurt Serbia, only you.

Belgrade to intl. community: Condemn warmongering.
And who is Serbia trying here to full.

World knows who is the warmongerin machine in Balkans, and they are laughing at this call. or maybe, Serbia is being scared from Kosovo.
Anyhow, it is funny and nice joke.

I'm not exactly sure "warmongering" is the operative word since Albanians can't "monger" a "war" on their own. Even the armchair generals in the pizzerias here speak of only *starting* a conflict in order to get Belgrade to respond, and then *hope* on the fact that the US and NATO will come to their rescue. Albanians don't fight wars on their own because they are incapable of fighting wars on their own. They are however capable of destabilizing the region to the point where larger powers must act.

But I suspect the muted response from the West has more to do with embarassment over trying to explain how Europe's "youngest democrats" or whatever they're called are still beating the drums of 1990s irredentism. At the end of the day, there's little Krasniqi and other neo-Illyrians can do except preach radicalism. It's a fantastic way of diverting attention away from dysfunctional infrastructures and a lack of improvement in the quality of life. Think of it: if Kosovo were that awesome, Serbs wouldn't be forced to join. If Kosovo were that productive, Albanians wouldn't be getting Serbian passports to leave. And if the US really cared about Kosovo, as Albanians like to think they do, Belgrade would have been pressured a long time ago to give up.

@Jason: Call for violence? When, where? I didn't see or hear it. Did I miss it?
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(Jan Andersen (DK), 11 February 2010 11:22)

“If some of the Serbs are not ready to live in the northern part and think that they can separate from Kosovo, then the Albanians of the Preševo valley are ready to join Kosovo,” the Kosovo assembly president, Jakup Krasniqi said, according to media in Priština."

What do you call this? Invitation to peace?
Calling on the albanians in Presevo to separate, this would cause quiet an interesting atmosphere in the balkans. The 90's would be paradise to what would happen!

But calling on Serbs North of Ibar to separate from Kosova
(Zoti, 11 February 2010 16:50)
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What do Serbs north of the Ibar have to do with an African tribe? Kosova is a Bantu tribe which inhabits the Kissii district in Nyanza, western Kenya.

Violence is part and parcel of the Albanian gameplan. Look at the three terrorist uprisings in Macedonia, Presevo, and Kosovo. Have you ever seen any other way of them doing business? You cannot have secession and change of borders without violence, as they have shown three times in little over a decade.
(Jason, 11 February 2010 12:33)

Violence is part and parcel of the Serbian gameplan. Look at the three wars in Croatia, Bosnia, and Kosovo. Have you ever seen any other way of them doing business? You cannot have secession and change of borders without violence, as they have shown three times in little over a decade.

Quite interesting dont you agree, I know IC would agree with me.
(Pejoni, 11 February 2010 14:54)

Yet somehow Pejoni, despite them using exactly the same tactics, the Albanians are always the good guys and the Serbs are always the bad guys.

Violence is part and parcel of the Albanian gameplan. Look at the three terrorist uprisings in Macedonia, Presevo, and Kosovo. Have you ever seen any other way of them doing business? You cannot have secession and change of borders without violence, as they have shown three times in little over a decade.
(Jason, 11 February 2010 12:33)
Spoken by a true Serbian, the old gameplan in effect. The Albanians are a violent bunch so it is justified for Serbia to use force to put them in their place. Your last name would not be Milosevic, would it?

@Jason: Call for violence? When, where? I didn't see or hear it. Did I miss it?

Jan Andersen (DK)

Albanians threaten stability in the area by suggesting they want seperation, despite the fact that Presevo has a mixed population. The threat is indirect but I guess you failed to see that.

Calling on the albanians in Presevo to separate, this would cause quiet an interesting atmosphere in the balkans. The 90's would be paradise to what would happen!
(AdamSRB)

But calling on Serbs North of Ibar to separate from Kosova (let's be real this is Serbia's ultimate goal) is not disruptive to regional peace?
It takes two to tango.

Such uprising in Kosovo, Macedonia and Presevo where fully supported by them and the bombs of NATO and Europe everywhere in Serbia just proved that.

Marinels,

Proved that!?!?!?! Kosovo, yes. Macedonia and Presevo? Hell no. What were you smoking back then? Serbian forces gave the terrorists what they deserved in Presevo. In Macedonia, the Lions just started doing what needed to be done when a peace deal was brokered. In neither case did NATO bomb Serbia or Macedonia. Get a grip.

"Serbia will not exchange something that is hers for something else that is hers, nor is the concept of partition and exchange of territory on the table at all from our side. We have absolutely rejected that idea," he stated on Wednesday.
B92

Sure thing mr minister,same thing we heard in 1981,1998 from your leadership, but things have change, have you tried visiting Kosova/o lately ?, who knows by mistake KPS wil ship you someplace else instead at Merdare checkpoint, If I was you I'd be careful within the buffer zone too.

Serbs, as they have expressed, wish to be left the hell alone up there. It's rather simple.
(Jason, 12 February 2010 16:43)

Mister, why don't you leave us the hell alone too then?

"Serbia will not exchange something that is hers for something else that is hers…” said Ivanovic.

Correction: "Serbia will not exchange something that is hers for something else that is NOT hers…” should have said Ivanovic!

Admittedly Mr Jakupi shouldn’t have brought this issue at all up, but he just reminded Serbia that reciprocity is always valid procedure. So Serbia should stop trying to snatch Northern Kosova in order to avoid reciprocity with South Serbia.

“Violence is part and parcel of the Albanian gameplan. Look at the three terrorist uprisings in Macedonia, Presevo, and Kosovo”.


Terrorist uprisings can not and will be never supported by the most developed democratic countries in the world. Such uprising in Kosovo, Macedonia and Presevo where fully supported by them and the bombs of NATO and Europe everywhere in Serbia just proved that. If you want to interpret it as it suits you better then u have a problem with yourself. Moreover you are in wrong place over there in Kosovo. People who work in KS are supposed to help and contribute positively in all aspect while extremists like you are just useless consumers of taxes. You better go in Serbia and you will find there the paradise including some girlfriend matters which you like most in Serbia.

“Have you ever seen any other way of them doing business? You cannot have secession and change of borders without violence, as they have shown three times in little over a decade.”

Had u ever seen in Europe a country where minorities comprising up to 40 % of population are treated as second class citizens without basic rights? Sorry but the Slavic dominated governments of Serbia and Macedonia had neither the will nor the interest to make this people rightfully citizens of their countries therefore the war was the only option to win their basic rights. Indeed that is what they actually understand otherwise the history has shown that no better choice is acceptable. Nobody wants war, neither is it the best variant but on the other side it is much better than being lackey of the government who wants only the territory but not the people. We have never seen better solution offered by Serbia expect force. That is exactly what Serbia got in response. I am sorry but this is the truth. We are looking forward now for better future and equal respect from both sides. However some rotten minds like you prefer more to bark the same old melody which some communists and dictators around the world still play. Good luck with them.

Wlll said Marinels, and I totaly agree with you.
Milosevic propaganda machine is still trying to twist facts but with not sucess.
Facts exist, and sooner or later they are going to face the justice.
As it is, all those terrorist and Serbian war criminals that roam free streets of Serbia, or even EU now, are the worst representatives of Serbia together with their supporters in here and eleswhere.

Jason I am still waiting for you to point out the specific international law we broke. This international law seems to be in the heads of the Serbs and their camp, and as each day passes the more convinced I become that Serbs and their camp really like believing in fictitious things. Be very specific Jason.

The question Serbia posed to the ICJ is a very specific one. "Is the declaration of independence illegal?"

All I am asking you and the Serb camp is to provide me with the international law that specifically states that declarations of independence of autonomous regions are indeed illegal under international law. Can you provide this piece of legislation?

Until you provide us with that legislation you can continue to be the defender knight of inexistent laws.

Fact of the matter is that as things are now in this world there is NO INTERNATIONAL LAW that regulates declarations of independence.

Violence is part and parcel of the Albanian gameplan. Look at the three terrorist uprisings in Macedonia, Presevo, and Kosovo. Have you ever seen any other way of them doing business? You cannot have secession and change of borders without violence, as they have shown three times in little over a decade.
(Jason, 11 February 2010 12:33)

Violence is part and parcel of the Serbian gameplan. Look at the three wars in Croatia, Bosnia, and Kosovo. Have you ever seen any other way of them doing business? You cannot have secession and change of borders without violence, as they have shown three times in little over a decade.

Quite interesting dont you agree, I know IC would agree with me.

“Such uprising in Kosovo, Macedonia and Presevo where fully supported by them and the bombs of NATO and Europe everywhere in Serbia just proved that.

Marinels,

Proved that!?!?!?! Kosovo, yes. Macedonia and Presevo? Hell no. What were you smoking back then? Serbian forces gave the terrorists what they deserved in Presevo. In Macedonia, the Lions just started doing what needed to be done when a peace deal was brokered. In neither case did NATO bomb Serbia or Macedonia. Get a grip.”

The support for Albanian cause in Kosovo, Macedonia and Presevo proved that the uprising there were not terrorist activities as you like to portrait them. Otherwise the bombs of NATO would have hit the KLA, and UCPMB and not Serbia and Serbian military. In Macedonia even less, KLA forced the government with the fully support of international community to negotiate for more rights of ethnic Albanians.

You mister humanitarian worker have a problem of being more emotional than objective. I have a military background so let me explain you something. Such war tactic as UCPMB did have not the main goal to confront with the military face to face but rather to draw attention to the certain problem which was the rights of Albanian there. The safety zone didn’t allow Serbian military to fight face to face too although being superior against the fighters there.

As for Kosovo we saw what response did the Serbian military gave to the “terrorists”. 80 % of casualties were civilians despite the fact that Serbs were fighting KLA. I would rather speak about the terrorist state of Serbia more than individual terrorists. The way how Serbia responded to the Albanians ignited more hate and intervention of NATO. A well disciplined army would avoid civilian’s casualties in order to justify the actions against armed groups. But the Serbian mentality couldn’t be different that time as they always thought they could do whatever they wanted in Kosovo. End of the story was clear…

In Macedonia the Lions were comprised of terrorists who afterward were indicated in Hague. A bunch of cowards who kill civilians (Luboten case) and pretend to be Special Forces don’t have much credibility. Even less could they keep the Macedonian state on foot. What I remember from those cowards was killing of some innocent Pakistani civilians in order to show the loyalty of Macedonians in war “against terrorisms”. I have learned, during my studies at the military academy in Germany, much about military capabilities of Balkan countries. Macedonia was the last in all aspects. I doubt very much that the Lions or whatever terrorists were, could stand against experienced fighters from Kosovo war and experienced military officers of ex Albanian people army.

(Zoran, 11 February 2010 13:05)

Who cares what UN says, does Israel ask for UN permission when they bombed Lebanon? Did Russia asked UN when they bombed Georgia? Did NATO ask UN when they bombed Serbia, when will you ppl understand UN has no power and I have yet to find any UN resolution which condems Kosovo's Independence, have you found a single one? Have you? Tell us Jason-UNMIK who work for them, is there any resoluation which condemns Kosovo's decleration of Independence?

Warmongering got Serbia to enter Schengen white list, shouldn't others use it too.

On 11 February 2010 12:33, Jason wrote: "You cannot have secession and change of borders without violence, (...)"

Sure you can. In my experience, the violence is usually started by the people that wants to STOP the secession.

Why would the secessionist take to violence if nobody opposes them? Because they think violence is fun??
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Way to miss the point. Serbs are not calling for violence - they simply wish to be left the hell alone. The only suggestion of violence comes from Albanians who want the north at all costs. You will have to come up with something better than this argument to try and work Milosevic into this discussion.
(Jason, 12 February 2010 07:24)
Actually you miss the point. You claim to be American, if this were so you would have no reason to have such blatant hatred for the Albanian people.
There is no way you can convince anyone but the other proSerb posters in here that it is purely the Albanians who want violence and the Serbians are only innocent peace loving souls.

I can't read anywhere that Kranici mentioned anything on ''war'' ! So to answer Oli; that's the reason why his comment did not meet with reaction from the international community.

I guess, '' warmongering'' is just a new phrase in Serbian politics, to show Serbs as victims. Tadic used it re: Mesic comments, and now Oli nicked it, how original!

Yes Zoti, but the moves of Serbs North of the Ibar is only a reaction to the decleration of independence.

I know you won't agree with this but they (and Belgrade) would like Kosovo to remain whole - within Serbia. Since you won't ever agree to that, we have this impasse.

Thats why negotiations are necessary. Its better done at the table, you never get thanked for it because all those that have lost / lose their loved ones don't didn't know how bad it can get.
(bganon, 11 February 2010)

Bganon with al due respect what is it that you are offering that we don't have?
As things stand the only thing the two parties can negotiate for is recognition of independence for the North of Ibar.

Even that may be a little farfetched since the Europeans seem hellbent on keeping the North within Kosova.

I have to add that I might be in the minority as many Kosovar Albanians are way more hardline than I am given what they've been through.

Many Serbs fail to realize that Kosova is the Cradle of Albanian nationalism, it is the place where modern day Albania as an independent nation was first envisioned. For all the talk that Kosova is Serbia's Jerusalem we have proven over the last century to which people Kosova means more and whose Jerusalem it is.

If we are to believe Serb statistics which show that Serbs were a majority in Kosova 100 years ago it speaks volumes that today they've dwindled to less than 10% even thouth Kosova was under Serb control for over 80 years.

Serbs like to believe in fairy tales like Kosovars are Albanian immigrants when the opposite is true. There are plenty of Kosovar Albanian immigrants who settled in Albania after being expelled by Serbia during the two wolrd wars. To this day their settlements in Durres and Fier are still easily distinguishable from the local population.

How is saying Presheva might choose to separate if N.Mitrovica choses to separate any different from each other. How is N. Mitrovica choosing to separate not warmongering while Presheva choosing to separate is warmongering? How is one popullation choosing to go its own way not warmongering while another population choosing to go its way is warmongering? Only in Serbia can two equal things be not equal. If Presheva says they are now separate who is gonna do the warmogering? If N. Mitrovica says they are now separate who is gonna do the warmongering. Minister by your own logic Serbia claiming Kosova as her's IS WARMONGERING. That is why nobody buys what Serbia has to say anymore. Because while you ask for no double standards you yourself employ double standards.

Anyways What Krasniqi says was only a deterrent in case some in Serbia get strange ideas about an Abhazia like scenario on N.Mitrovica. There needs to be a reminder from time to time that as it has always been the plans made in Belgrade are never smooth like they want them to be.

I found the threats by Mesic over Bosnia much more serious. It is inevitable that Albanians will want to talk about Presevo when a split of Kosovo is discussed.

PRN:
> The highest organ of the UN is the UNSC. The UNSC is in our favour (3:1 with Chine being neutral).

UN SC has 15 members of which only 6 have recognised trouble-making 'pseudo-state'.

Which means that SC has gone from an organ in which there was majority support for independence to one in which there isn't.

So the situation has changed from one where resolutions supporting 'fake-state' would be torpedoed by a russian or chinese veto, to one where resolutions supporting Serbia's claims would be scuppered by a US, british or french veto.

Prior to January 1, you could indeed have claimed that the SC was indeed 'in your favour'.

That is no longer the case.

Moscow recognition of KOsovo may be imminent, probaby this year.

WHAT NEXT for Serbia????
(PRN, 11 February 2010 12:22)

What's next, what's next, good question, what's next on the employment agenda in kosovo??
50, 60 70% unemployed...., this is the reality that you have not been able to address for the last 12 years and that your nationalistic comments will not solve either!!

For the record, I do not hate Albanians, I simply find that they broke international law. Furthermore, some of my comments here can be harsh, but they are directed at the hatemongers like Bekim or Kosovo-USA. I can recognize that imternet forums can bring out the worst in people, myself included at times. Be it as it may, to try and lump me into the "I hate Albanians camp" is rather weak.

I am not saying Serbs are angels and Albanians devils, but in this PARTICULAR case in the north, the people advocating violence are Albanians. Serbs, as they have expressed, wish to be left the hell alone up there. It's rather simple.
(Jason, 12 February 2010 16:43)
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Reread your comments of late and say you do not hate Albanians. Americans who come to Kosovo to help usually side one way or the other --alot of times by the girl half their age that wants a green card, but I have never seen one pro Serb or pro Albanian that actually takes on the hatred for the other side like you have.
I have not heard any one official advocate violence in the north only some of the extremists on this site.
You paint this Utopia in the north. But who was it last year that caused the problem when Albanians began (re)building their homes. It is the same concept as 1999 we want peace without Albanians in sight.
Many in the KKK would always protest "we do not hate blacks" we are only protecting the rights of whites--do you think they were right?
I am just saying your posts have gone from being pro Serb to being anti Albanian and there is a difference.

@Jason: Call for violence? When, where? I didn't see or hear it. Did I miss it?
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(Jan Andersen (DK), 11 February 2010 11:22)

Wear different glasses and read again...

Violence is part and parcel of the Albanian gameplan. Look at the three terrorist uprisings in Macedonia, Presevo, and Kosovo. Have you ever seen any other way of them doing business? You cannot have secession and change of borders without violence, as they have shown three times in little over a decade.
(Jason, 11 February 2010 12:33)
Spoken by a true Serbian, the old gameplan in effect. The Albanians are a violent bunch so it is justified for Serbia to use force to put them in their place. Your last name would not be Milosevic, would it?
(pss, 11 February 2010 22:39)

Way to miss the point. Serbs are not calling for violence - they simply wish to be left the hell alone. The only suggestion of violence comes from Albanians who want the north at all costs. You will have to come up with something better than this argument to try and work Milosevic into this discussion.

Marinels

“You mister humanitarian worker have a problem of being more emotional than objective. I have a military background so let me explain you something. Such war tactic as UCPMB did have not the main goal to confront with the military face to face but rather to draw attention to the certain problem which was the rights of Albanian there. The safety zone didn’t allow Serbian military to fight face to face too although being superior against the fighters there.”

Thanks for the military advise but I served in the army and worked for years in the LE side of counter terrorism - I know a terrorist when I see one. You are correct, and everyone knows that Albanian terrorists could not take on the Serbian forces head-on. That is why they committed heinous atrocities against civilians to draw attention to their cause. Classic terrorism. Serb forces killed Albanians in reprisal attacks, sure, because you KLA were cowards who fled into the mountains and left the civilian population behind. Classy.

“As for Kosovo we saw what response did the Serbian military gave to the “terrorists”. 80 % of casualties were civilians despite the fact that Serbs were fighting KLA. I would rather speak about the terrorist state of Serbia more than individual terrorists. The way how Serbia responded to the Albanians ignited more hate and intervention of NATO. A well disciplined army would avoid civilian’s casualties in order to justify the actions against armed groups. But the Serbian mentality couldn’t be different that time as they always thought they could do whatever they wanted in Kosovo. End of the story was clear… “

WOW! “A well disciplined army would avoid civilian’s casualties in order to justify the actions against armed groups.” So I am guessing that NATO is not a well disciplined army wither considering the killing of civilians in 1999. I could also mention the hundreds of thousands of dead Iraqi and Afghan civilians. Germany is hardly a good example of this “well disciplined army. What do you say to that???

“In Macedonia the Lions were comprised of terrorists who afterward were indicated in Hague. A bunch of cowards who kill civilians (Luboten case) and pretend to be Special Forces don’t have much credibility. Even less could they keep the Macedonian state on foot. What I remember from those cowards was killing of some innocent Pakistani civilians in order to show the loyalty of Macedonians in war “against terrorisms”. I have learned, during my studies at the military academy in Germany, much about military capabilities of Balkan countries. Macedonia was the last in all aspects. I doubt very much that the Lions or whatever terrorists were, could stand against experienced fighters from Kosovo war and experienced military officers of ex Albanian people army.”

Germany. Now it all makes sense. You know, I must say my country and Germany are the biggest problems in Kosovo. Your clowns from the BND are running around here interfering in everything, including investigations, because they are using the very worst criminals as sources. As for your remarks about the “cowards who kill civilians (Luboten case) and pretend to be Special Forces don’t have much credibility.” This reminds me of the KLA perfectly... cowards who kill civilians.

But calling on Serbs North of Ibar to separate from Kosova (let's be real this is Serbia's ultimate goal) is not disruptive to regional peace?
It takes two to tango.

Yes Zoti, but the moves of Serbs North of the Ibar is only a reaction to the decleration of independence.

I know you won't agree with this but they (and Belgrade) would like Kosovo to remain whole - within Serbia. Since you won't ever agree to that, we have this impasse.

Thats why negotiations are necessary. Its better done at the table, you never get thanked for it because all those that have lost / lose their loved ones don't didn't know how bad it can get.

Fact of the matter is that as things are now in this world there is NO INTERNATIONAL LAW that regulates declarations of independence.
(johny, 12 February 2010 20:48)

And it can't... It's a nonsense to claim otherwise.

1. By definition the int'l law is the inter-nation law; i.e. the law between states.

2. By definition, a declaration of independence is an act of a non-state entity

How could then (1) regulate (2) ?!!!

Way to miss the point. Serbs are not calling for violence - they simply wish to be left the hell alone. The only suggestion of violence comes from Albanians who want the north at all costs. You will have to come up with something better than this argument to try and work Milosevic into this discussion.
(Jason, 12 February 2010 07:24)
Actually you miss the point. You claim to be American, if this were so you would have no reason to have such blatant hatred for the Albanian people.
There is no way you can convince anyone but the other proSerb posters in here that it is purely the Albanians who want violence and the Serbians are only innocent peace loving souls.
(pss, 12 February 2010 14:32)

Oh, I see, the same old tired comeback - I cannot be an American because all Americans adore Albanians. Try finding some new material, eh?

For the record, I do not hate Albanians, I simply find that they broke international law. Furthermore, some of my comments here can be harsh, but they are directed at the hatemongers like Bekim or Kosovo-USA. I can recognize that imternet forums can bring out the worst in people, myself included at times. Be it as it may, to try and lump me into the "I hate Albanians camp" is rather weak.

I am not saying Serbs are angels and Albanians devils, but in this PARTICULAR case in the north, the people advocating violence are Albanians. Serbs, as they have expressed, wish to be left the hell alone up there. It's rather simple.

Oaf said,

"Facts exist, and sooner or later they are going to face the justice."

Who is it that will "the justice?" The facts will face "the justice?" What are you trying to say here?

Serbs, as they have expressed, wish to be left the hell alone up there. It's rather simple.
(Jason, 12 February 2010 16:43)

Mister, why don't you leave us the hell alone too then?
(miri, 12 February 2010 18:48)

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Get off our property then. :)

Serbs, as they have expressed, wish to be left the hell alone up there. It's rather simple.
(Jason, 12 February 2010 16:43)

Mister, why don't you leave us the hell alone too then?
(miri, 12 February 2010 18:48)
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You lost that privilege when you broke the law by stealing a territory which is not yours.
Imagine a thief telling the cop to leave them alone.
This is really precious.

BTW, for those of you who are questioning Jason about his nationality because he is siding with Serbs I say that one people get to know what you do there, they don't have to be Serbian to develop the attitude Jason has.

As far as I know Jakup Krasniqi said Kosovo should get the Presevo Valley ONLY IF the northern parts of Kosovo became part of Serbia.

The man who begin the process of violent annexation of lands beyond the 1945-1990 Yugoslav borders was the Serb dictator SLOBODAN MILOSEVIC.