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Wednesday, 10.02.2010.

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"Southern Serbia ready to join Kosovo"

A Kosovo Albanian official says that if Serbs from northern Kosovo wish to "secede", then "Albanians in southern Serbia are ready to join Kosovo".

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Dimitrije

pre 14 godina

Albert who are you kidding? i honestly hope you're not trying to insinuate that you are Serbian??

I am seriosuly considering donating to schools in Serbia that have ehtnic albanian kids maybe somewhere in Pristina: Someone needs to give these kids a better education :( its painfull reading the comments of there mums and dads...

Albert

pre 14 godina

Southern Serbian Albanians are ready to join Kosovo someone said. Well, they don´t need to join anybody. What they need is more autonomy within Serbia. The same thing goes for the Serbs in North Kosovo. They should both have paralel Institutions, North Kosovo and Presevo Valley. And the moment, Serbia, Kosovo, and all Ballkans become members of EU, the only thing these tiny regions will serve is to collect some taxes, and you can imagine how much you can collect from Presevo walley or North Kosovo. As far as some of you living day by day to insult one another, I may add that this is the worst strategy to ever gain Kosovo back. Every insult you make, you will remind in this case Kosovo Albanians why they should never wish a union with Serbia. Continue if you want, but you do not represent the opinion of every Serb in your comments, certainly not mine!!!

Albert

pre 14 godina

Southern Serbian Albanians are ready to join Kosovo someone said. Well, they don´t need to join anybody. What they need is more autonomy within Serbia. The same thing goes for the Serbs in North Kosovo. They should both have paralel Institutions, North Kosovo and Presevo Valley. And the moment, Serbia, Kosovo, and all Ballkans become members of EU, the only thing these tiny regions will serve is to collect some taxes, and you can imagine how much you can collect from Presevo walley or North Kosovo. As far as some of you living day by day to insult one another, I may add that this is the worst strategy to ever gain Kosovo back. Every insult you make, you will remind in this case Kosovo Albanians why they should never wish a union with Serbia. Continue if you want, but you do not represent the opinion of every Serb in your comments, certainly not mine!!!

Jason Artur - UK

pre 14 godina

What is the country code to call Kosovo? I checked under listings and nothing is showing up. Oh I see ... Kosovo is listed as Serbia's country "381", I understand now :)
(trudsaam, 12 February 2010 18:19)

HAHA,, there is no country code for Kosovo. It ISN'T a country.

trudsaam

pre 14 godina

What is the country code to call Kosovo? I checked under listings and nothing is showing up. Oh I see ... Kosovo is listed as Serbia's country "381", I understand now :)

trudsaam

pre 14 godina

Thanks to all of you for the Milosevic style reality check. No need to spent your time with Milosevic propaganda anylonger.
All of the people that run the Institutions in the north are corrupt Milosevic leftovers, serbian mafia and some UNMIK loosers.

As for the flag, ordinary people have no reason to react different than normaly, since Kosovo and it's people have nothign to them. Their anger has started to shift towards the source of the problem, BELGRADE.
(Olf, 12 February 2010 09:38) ---

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No my friend, YOU are the problem. The mentality you Albanos in the provice of Kosovo is the problem. Time to modernise my friends, you dont live in the ancient times anymore. Arent you all concerned with the issues in Albania? When will they have their EU bid, or NATO affiliation? oo that's right , you gave up on this "love" of yours and moved to Serbia. Its fine tho, just proclaim yourselves as Serbian citizens and all will be fine :) good day

Jason

pre 14 godina

This could be a good obstacle to Serbia in EU bid.
Also this is a hard violation of UN resolution 1244 in which Serbian government is called that is violated from Kosovo government.
(4ever free, 12 February 2010 13:27)

When you say violation of 1244, how come you don't mention the part where it states Kosovo is part of Serbia? How come you don't mention the return of Serbian police and military to guard Serbian sacred sites and borders?

You sound a bit hypocritical to be asking about general services in the north when missing out on these major violations.

Jason

pre 14 godina

Thanks to all of you for the Milosevic style reality check. No need to spent your time with Milosevic propaganda anylonger.
All of the people that run the Institutions in the north are corrupt Milosevic leftovers, serbian mafia and some UNMIK loosers.

As for the flag, ordinary people have no reason to react different than normaly, since Kosovo and it's people have nothign to them. Their anger has started to shift towards the source of the problem, BELGRADE.
(Olf, 12 February 2010 09:38)

Milosevic style journalism? Is that the best comeback you have? No, buddy, I wrote facts. The institutions I mentioned are all easily verifiable. Sorry to shoot you down so swiftly.

As for your pathetic opinion that Serbian anger is turning towards Belgrade, I think it funny you claim to know this yet not know about what happens in the north. You should take Mike up on his suggestion to go fly a Kosovo flag on King Peter street.

Man you need a reality check, Fatmir...I mean, "Olf."

4ever free

pre 14 godina

Someone stated;
Local government: Serbian
School and Uni: Serbian
Train service to BG: Serbian
Fire Department: Serbian
Road Maintenance: Serbian
Currency: Serbian
Electricity: Serbian
Telephone/Internet: Serbian
Postal Service: Serbian
Hospital/Health Care: Serbian
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This could be a good obstacle to Serbia in EU bid.
Also this is a hard violation of UN resolution 1244 in which Serbian government is called that is violated from Kosovo government.

Olf

pre 14 godina

Thanks to all of you for the Milosevic style reality check. No need to spent your time with Milosevic propaganda anylonger.
All of the people that run the Institutions in the north are corrupt Milosevic leftovers, serbian mafia and some UNMIK loosers.

As for the flag, ordinary people have no reason to react different than normaly, since Kosovo and it's people have nothign to them. Their anger has started to shift towards the source of the problem, BELGRADE.

garasanin

pre 14 godina

I think the entire Republic of Serbia should join Kosovo...then we have a referendum to change the name of the new entity to Serbia...majority rules right?

The Swiss

pre 14 godina

believe? Go and fly the flag of Kosovo in downtown Mitrovica and see what reaction you get. Give my regards to the Pink Elephant next time you see him.
(Mike, 11 February 2010 17:04)

You really made me laugh :))))

Mike

pre 14 godina

"To be honest, Serbia pretends to support the north and the other Serb populated areas in Kosovo, but with no sucesss." (Olf)

-- Is this what you've actually convinced yourself to believe? Go and fly the flag of Kosovo in downtown Mitrovica and see what reaction you get. Give my regards to the Pink Elephant next time you see him.

Zoti

pre 14 godina

Why precisely the most violent nationalists can't spell properly and can't distinguish between "ç" and "q" in Albanian? You put your tongue forward if you say "ç" and put it back and slightly up if you say "q".

Because it is "Thaçi" correctly.

Falemenderit.
(Ataman)

Very well played Sir :)
Here's my explanation as to why:
1. It's hard to write "ç" since it's a special character and not on a QWERTY keyboard so people resort to using either "c" (especially those educated in Albania) or "ç", which in the end although very similar to each other are still not the same charaters so "c" is just as wrong as "q".
2. Many Gheg Albanians hold a grudge towards Tosk Albanians for Tosk being the dialect literary Albanian is based on. Ghegs were always more numerous than the Tosks and they fought the hardest for Albania but the Communists that took over after 1945 were mainly Tosks so naturally they were more inclined to use a Tosk based dialect (more specifically that of Elbasan) in creating literary Albanian.
Using "q" is a sign of defiance towards literary Tosk based Albanian.
Also many Kosovar Albanians blame the Albanian communists for striking a deal with their Yugoslav counterparts and leaving Kosova under Serbia.
I suspect the second reason is the real reason.

Jason

pre 14 godina

Mike, not poor, but PURE LOGIC.
Serbia has No control over the north of Kosovo as you know. North of Kosovo is, to some extent, being run by Milosevic leftovers that are extremely corrupted, Serbian Mafia and by UNMIK loosers. So, if you say that Serbia runs the North than Serbia has another problem, Mafia running the state.

(Olf, 11 February 2010 11:15)

Poor Olf, trying so hard to act like he knows anything about what goes on in the north. The only thing that is not representative of the Serbian government is KPS. This is a pity because MUP would actually police the area instead of ignoring criminal activity. Then again, for €215 a month, I don't blame KPS for doing nothing.

Since you know nothing about the north, let us have a look, Olfy-boy...

Local government: Serbian
School and Uni: Serbian
Train service to BG: Serbian
Fire Department: Serbian
Road Maintenance: Serbian
Currency: Serbian
Electricity: Serbian
Telephone/Internet: Serbian
Postal Service: Serbian
Hospital/Health Care: Serbian

These services are being run by everyday Serbs, and they work just fine. The problem alone lies with lack of Serbian police in the north. For you to call these hard-working men and women members of the mafia shows you know nothing about the people there.

Anyway, here is your reality check. You're welcome.

Jovan

pre 14 godina

albanian dreams...

he will have to adjust his expectations, when something completely different happens...

Serbia will prevail!

just a question of time...

HE WHO SPEAKS THE TRUTH

pre 14 godina

If there is another gurilla war, and Serbia is a part of NATO as they are a participating in partnership for peace do you all actually think NATO will side with Kosovo? Wrong answer because they don't want a wide war and that is why those fighters ran back to Kosovo after Serbia smoke them out from Presevo i guess those cheerleaders from pristini and presevo forgot that part.

CG

pre 14 godina

Krasniqi should have gone a step further and declared that Kosova will join Albania.
Perhaps we're a little late in realizing our national aspiration first declared at the Prizren League 132 years ago but better late than never.

It's useless trying to negotiate with Serbs.
(Zoti, 10 February 2010 19:46)

Go ahead as you want,you can declare Kosovo part of Alpha Centauri,that is your business,1244 and the world community thinks otherwise.
And to Sreten and other serbians who propose a deal with the Albanians.
No,no and no ,whole of Kosovo is Serbian and there will be no deal,never.
It was people like you(Sreten) that in 1945 and 1974 yielded to the"rightful aspirations of the brotherly Albanians(communist propaganda)"and created the groundwork for todays mess in the first place.
The Albanians,despite all off their blustering know very well that they will be in charge in our southern territory until the last American soldier leaves,and not one day longer.
That is why they are proposing such stuff,they need our defetistic elites to say :"Ok,we will hand it over to you and guarantee to never take back what is ours."
And with our corrupt elites in place today this is everything but unrealistic.
The crumbling of the American empire has begun,now it is only a matter of time when the day x comes and we will get our opportunity to solve this problem forever.
In the meantime make no concessions,the Albanians are isolated,we are not.
We can wait,they not.

MakSerb

pre 14 godina

The Albanians are not getting anything else. They can't secede from Presevo or anywhere else in Southern Serbia or Western Macedonia because none of those areas are provinces like Kosovo is. What are they going to do secede a city or a village? Good luck with that, especially in Western Macedonia where the cities in which ALbanians make up the majority the non-Albanians are only a minority by 2%. The 90% advantage they have in Kosovo was the first and the last time that will ever happen, especially now that Serbia and Macedonia have visa free travel in the Schengen Zone a lot of Albanians are going to go to Germany or Italy where they will stay and work to make enough money to bring the rest of their families there.

Albanians are hypocrites, they say that the borders of Kosovo must not change on ethnic (serbian ) lines, yet they want to change the borders of serbia and macedonia based on their own ethnic lines....

It's ok, let them try, Macedonia and Serbia and Greece and the rest of the Orthodox Balkans may have disputes over things, but no one will tolerate any more Greater Albanias.

Olf

pre 14 godina

Mike, not poor, but PURE LOGIC.
Serbia has No control over the north of Kosovo as you know. North of Kosovo is, to some extent, being run by Milosevic leftovers that are extremely corrupted, Serbian Mafia and by UNMIK loosers. So, if you say that Serbia runs the North than Serbia has another problem, Mafia running the state.

To be honest, Serbia pretends to support the north and the other Serb populated areas in Kosovo, but with no sucesss. Even local Serbs have begun to turn their back to this Belgrade nonsense, since has produced no results.

JS

pre 14 godina

There you have it; any partition of any entity is only then possible when the Albanians of Kosovo can benefit from it. In a way, it is good thing this comes out; now everyone can see what the goal really is. Now it is just Presevo, one day it will be NW Macedonia, Ulcinj and let's say any part of any European city where a few Albanian families live together... Hold on Serbia, truth finally wins. Always...

Gossamer

pre 14 godina

“Albanians are from Albania. If Serbia is not to their liking they are free to return to their country of origin.”

That was the essence of the ideology of Serbian dictator Slobodan Milosevic during the 90’s.

Kosovo is populated by Albanian-speaking people for centuries, and until Milosevic took over in 1988 it was independent from Belgrade on every aspect. Independent Kosovo must reatin the same borders that it had since 1945.

Sreten

pre 14 godina

To Olf.
It's actually the other way around.
Serbia has effective control over both Presevo and norhtern Kosovo. And in this "generous" offer Pristina wants to give something that it doesn't control for something that it also doesn't control.
But, generally speaking proposal isn't a bad one, let's just bring RS in equation...

Ataman

pre 14 godina

so this is Serbias dream to exchange but no one is allowed to make deal in Kosovas name,Thaqi,Sejdiu or Krasiqi,if they do I will shoot them myself.
Kosovo is DARDANIA.
(Oso Kuka, 10 February 2010, 14:07)

As Ben (the Albanian regular who as I recall is living in Belgium) one said: why precisely the most violent nationalists can't spell properly and can't distinguish between "ç" and "q" in Albanian? You put your tongue forward if you say "ç" and put it back and slightly up if you say "q".

Because it is "Thaçi" correctly.

Falemenderit.

Peggy

pre 14 godina

Independence for everyone. Twice on Sundays!
--
(Jan Andersen (DK), 10 February 2010 20:33)

Independence for RS and Krajina as well.
Do you agree?

lowe

pre 14 godina

"The southern municipalities of central Serbia – Preševo, Bujanovac, and Medveđa – are home to the country's largest ethnic Albanian population outside of Kosovo."

Am I missing something here? I thought Serbs are an over 80% majority in Medveda and outnumber the Albanians in Bujanovac? So where is the justification for these regions to secede?

The Swiss

pre 14 godina

would be given to Kosovo. Never gonna happen, "Olf." Have you been drinking too much at some slavas lately?
(Jason, 10 February 2010 18:22)


Jason, Olf has not been drinking, he is like this!

Amazing, or better say, alarming, to see all these k-a nationalists threatening from left and right, but hardly surprising!!

At least they have learn something from their masters: "when you have mess at home, make sure that you create mess somewhere else and blame the others for your misery"

It's even becoming difficult to find an appropriate word to describe such a poor mentality!

You might be able to steal land, you might be able to bribe politicians, countries to "back" you, you might be able to distribute medals, statues, but one thing for sure YOU CAN'T BUY respect and with this attitude you will NEVER have any respect from commun people!

Write it in your hand, not to forget and remember the US campain motto "a pig with lipstick remains a pig"

Zoran

pre 14 godina

Keep dreaming about Greater Albania my fellow citizens. All I know is that no ethnic Albanian politician from Preševo would dare mention joining with "Kosova".

If that ever happened, you'll know the justification for independence bringing stability to the region has just been thrown out the window. I don't think the US will like that very much.

It's great to see my fellow citizens (of Albanian ethnicity) lining up for Serbian passports. The reality of prison camp "Kosova" is sinking in.

Jan Andersen (DK)

pre 14 godina

Milan wrote: "I think it is time to take away the citizenships of ALL Albanians in all of Serbia and declare them persona non grata (...)"

On what grounds?
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Mister

pre 14 godina

This guy's face will be red from being slapped about the stupidity of that statement.

The West is bending over backwards for K-Albanians and in return they want to threaten new disputes. Just great!

mms

pre 14 godina

While his statement is certainly a sign of frustration, is nationalistic, and extremist; it appears to be a sign that Thaci and co know that north of Ibar will always be out of their grasp, and finally are coming around to the idea of further negotiations.

Zoti

pre 14 godina

Krasniqi should have gone a step further and declared that Kosova will join Albania.
Perhaps we're a little late in realizing our national aspiration first declared at the Prizren League 132 years ago but better late than never.

It's useless trying to negotiate with Serbs.

Jason

pre 14 godina

Mr Krasniqis idea sounds very crazy. It seems as if he does not uneerstand the basis of Negitioation. Why give away something that you have(N-Kosovo) for something that will be your soon(Presheva, Medveda and Bujanovac.
(Olf, 10 February 2010 16:10)

Proof yet again "Olf" is a closet Albanian. No one working in any international organization even dreams that Presevo would be given to Kosovo. Never gonna happen, "Olf." Have you been drinking too much at some slavas lately?

The Swiss

pre 14 godina

Krasniqi have a new generation of pizza flippers in Brooklyn he can rely on? Maybe he can ask Mesic to send in the Croatian army just before he leaves. People are always willing to gamble for high stakes if they envision using other people's money and lives.
(Mike, 10 February 2010 16:12)

Or maaybe they have a different calender with only 1st of april as a date...

Actually I don't recall any place on earth that had to claim nearly every day for now nearly 2 years "we are an independant country", that says all and only proves, if necessary that this region with the number 1244 sticked to its back is simply not a country, but a protectorate or whatever you want to call it!

anonymous

pre 14 godina

Albanians dont seem to remember what happend in 2001 when Presevo valley tried to secede! Dud serbia could wipe them out in 24 hrs like last time and with the permission of NATO just like in 2001! Serbia did get the green light from NATO and UN in kosovo to attack the seperatists in the presevo valley! There are 6.5 million serbs in serbia against 50,000 albanians in presevo valley, ITS COMMON SENSE! Last but not least did anyone forget about that huge military base they built in bujanovac!!!! Albanians, i dont think its a good idea!

Mikael C

pre 14 godina

"You already tried that in 1999 when you massively deported almost 1 million of us from our homes, destroyed our property and documents so that we can never return."
Artan

If the Serbs wanted to deport albanians why didn't they do it before 1999? Instead Tito and even Milosevic allowed thousands of refugees from impovrished Albania to cross into Serbia. Why don't you admit that NATO bombing forced you to leave? Instead you blame the Serbs.

Micheal Breathnach

pre 14 godina

This (Kosovo) Albanian official needs to find a pharmacy asap to buy himself a lenghty course of 'Cop on' tablets.

MB,Ireland

svojgazda

pre 14 godina

Who will start the hell, Pejoni? Do you think the NATO will bomb Serbia again? Or maybe if Albanians start shooting again, KFOR will put that down in a heartbeat? Please explain, where will the hell come from?

Oink

pre 14 godina

Why is it that in this part of the world the only things people can think of is separation, war and hate? Answer: Too many unemployed losers on both sides with nothing better to do.
The sooner you guys start seriously working to make better societies over there the better off you'll be.

billy

pre 14 godina

the idea to divide kosovo in any part would be the most and comlicated situation in the region because all of you here know that then would be new borders for serbia,macedonia,montenegro,

vladimir gagic

pre 14 godina

This fine with me, and I suspect most Serbs as well, so long as Northern Kosovo, Republika Srpska, and the Krajina join Serbia.

John

pre 14 godina

Oh great, just read that comments. Serbs threatening around because an Albanian play the "Dodik" card on Serbia's soil. Well, that is nothing new. But believe me, there is no need for violence. Civil disobedience works quite well and will make sure to obstruct anything what Serbs are trying to achieve, there and also on the European political scene. And if this Serbia is really as "democratic" and "advanced" as your ministers claim, you have no chance to pacify that area. I'm sure that this defiance towards Belgrade will make it very hard to achieve anything, and when Serbia uses violence to stop that civil disobedience then we have them exactly there where we are used to see Serbia.

Mr Rae

pre 14 godina

I'm not sure how this twisted style of logic is able to persist as long as it has. This issue of trading part for parcel seems on the surface a fair and equitable idea, until one actually spends more than a moment to look.
On one hand we notice Kosovo Albanians (perhaps general Albanians) claiming that it's only fair if Northern Kosovo separates and joins Serbia, that southern Serbia should join Kosovo. Let me see if we're all on the same page. Kosovo, a primariliy Albanian populated (former, or not -- not up for debate in this thread) province of Serbia can no longer live with Serbia and has requested to be independent. Then Northern Kosovo applies the same argument to Kosovo as K-Albanians used. Now it seems that both sides have played the same card, "I can't live with you, let me go free". Now it seems that the K-Albanians want to play the card again. That would make it twice for Albanians once for Serbians. Is this fair?
Furthermore, to another point. If in fact Kosovo's case is unique then this logic, of appropriating more territory from Serbia, cannot fall under the same argument, otherwise it would negate its uniqueness, the characteristic that is singly keeping the Kosovo UDI issue alive. However, since Northern Kosovo is by definition within Kosovo it is still encompassed within this uniqueness argument and would be equivalently allowed using same pretence to follow path that Kosovo took leaving Serbia.

So by virtue of tit-for-tat or uniqueness the issue of Albanians in Southern Serbia (not Kosovo -- Pressevo) is fundamentally a non-issue, for any Albanian that truly wants peace in the region.

Mike

pre 14 godina

Question: who's going to do the fighting for Presevo? Certainly not the United States or NATO. Does Mr. Krasniqi have a new generation of pizza flippers in Brooklyn he can rely on? Maybe he can ask Mesic to send in the Croatian army just before he leaves. People are always willing to gamble for high stakes if they envision using other people's money and lives.

Basil Brush

pre 14 godina

Very easy to do: Start guerrilla fight against Serbia, Serbia will respond with disproportionate force, West intervenes, boom done deal.
(Yomasz, 10 February 2010, 14:59)

If the Albanian hypernationalists try that old game again they will be sent packing with their tails in between their legs.

BOOM! BOOM!

p2

pre 14 godina

The reality is that it’s you who are trying to divide Kosova that is one entity. The statement Kraniqi made was for you to reconsider what you are asking for, I’m sure that he is aware of the complex situation that WE ALL would find us in if northern part of Kosova was to be exchanged with the southern part of Serbia, that is prodomatly inhabited by Albanians. It’s you who are lacking in logics, you are claiming a part of Kosova because of the fact that the majority of the inhabitants are Serbs, but you neglect the fact that we could do the same with the southern part of Serbia with the same reason in mind, because the reality is that Kosova is independent but that fact hasn’t reacht your understanding yet, with this fact in mind I can understand why nothing makes sense for you. His statement also says that we also can fight back, radically if needed (as you do every single time), meaning that if you dare to claim northern Kosova then we also will truly wholehearted claim southern Serbia. In contrast of what I have said I’m convinced (regardless of what you Serbs think) that we Albanians truly want peace, I can guarantee you that the Serbs living in Kosova and who are not working in a way that is non-beneficial for Kosova will be treated with 100% respect. That’s a fact that Serbia never can offer me, the proof of this can be seen in southern Serbia where the rights of Albanians are neglected, where we in Kosova are offering far reaching rights and respect. You do as you want and as you see fit, but you are wrong my friends.

Olf

pre 14 godina

Mr Krasniqis idea sounds very crazy. It seems as if he does not uneerstand the basis of Negitioation. Why give away something that you have(N-Kosovo) for something that will be your soon(Presheva, Medveda and Bujanovac.

Mike

pre 14 godina

"Mr Krasniqis idea sounds very crazy. It seems as if he does not uneerstand the basis of Negitioation. Why give away something that you have(N-Kosovo) for something that will be your soon(Presheva, Medveda and Bujanovac."
(Olf)

-- Bad Olf. Poor logic. First, Kosovo doesn't have the north. You would like them to have it but they don't. It's under Belgrade's control. Second, you're not getting Presevo anymore than Belgrade's getting RS. No one will be doing the fighting for you.

Bad logic. Bad Olf. No cookie for you.

Artan

pre 14 godina

"I think it is time to take away the citizenships of ALL Albanians in all of Serbia and declare them persona non grata and send them to Albania [...]
(Milan, 10 February 2010, 15:25)"

You already tried that in 1999 when you massively deported almost 1 million of us from our homes, destroyed our property and documents so that we can never return.

Ratko

pre 14 godina

albans' goal from long time ago was to create greater albania and steal as mush territory as they can. The only negotiaion method albans understand is force, otherwise they will not stop to spread and steal more and more land. This is the truth. So NO SOFT POLICY with albans under no circumstances!

Milan

pre 14 godina

"You already tried that in 1999 when you massively deported almost 1 million of us from our homes, destroyed our property and documents so that we can never return.
(Artan, 10 February 2010, 16:24)"

You mean the hoax where "refugee" camps were already in place in Albania and FYROM for weeks and where CNN and the BBC had their crews ready to tape the NATO-created "humanitarian disaster" and then blame all on the Serbs. Or filming the orderly departure of Albanians from Pristina station by trains in such a way that it had to remind people of the trains of death that went to the Nazi concentration camps. Media is a powerful way of twisting the truth and no one is better at it than your US masters.

Ron

pre 14 godina

Well, maybe transferring some Serbian regions to the SERBIAN PROVINCE OF KOSOVO is a good idea!

Mind that Kosovo is not an independent state so how can regions join a state that does not exist!

Check 1244 please!

albi

pre 14 godina

VB, Serbs have always operated under the principle "that which we have is ours, we can negotiate about the rest." That principle however hasn't always served you well every time. Sometimes the earth can move from under your feet. Sometimes what you think is yours, just isn't.

I think it is useful to point out that it is the Serbs who are keeping the conflict with Albanians alive by not allowing regularization in Kosovo.

Milan

pre 14 godina

No I think Serbia is dreaming because Kosovo have its borderes and the risk of seciding PRESHEVA,MEDVEGJA AND BUJANOVCI are very real.
so this is Serbias dream to exchange but no one is allowed to make deal in Kosovas name,Thaqi,Sejdiu or Krasiqi,if they do I will shoot them myself.
Kosovo is DARDANIA.
(Oso Kuka, 10 February 2010, 14:07)

I think Krasniqi is dreaming, becouse recognition of failed state of Kosovo stopped, they have any chance to join UN or EU, so he need to bulldoze other states with vision of new conflict.

No way mr Krasniqi.

P.S. "Dardania" was Roman province, where lived peoples spoken latin language. Are You you consider yourself an Italian or Vlach?? ;)

Milan

pre 14 godina

I think it is time to take away the citizenships of ALL Albanians in all of Serbia and declare them persona non grata and send them to Albania (because that is what The West does with most of its illegals). It is clear that most Albanians do not want to live in Serbia and that they are a serious threat to Serbia's stability whether in the past, present or future. It sounds rude and bold, but considering many realities I do not see any other solution. And believe me that I am not some kind of radical nationalist so do not try to attack me on that one. If you are Albanian and not happy please feel free to move to any place of your liking.

Milan

pre 14 godina

"Very easy to do: Start guerrilla fight against Serbia, Serbia will respond with disproportionate force, West intervenes, boom done deal.
(Yomasz, 10 February 2010, 14:59)"

That is your dream scenario. This is how it will be: start guerrilla fight against Serbia, Serbia will respond with targeted and efficient force eliminating terrorists, West keeps very quiet, revolt starts in Kosovo, NATO turns against reemerged KLA (were they ever really gone?) and other Albanians, West realizes its mistake, UDI revoked, NATO leaves and Kosovo back to Serbia, Kosovo gets full autonomy and KLA terrorist finally go to trial in Belgrade, everybody happy and we can all move on to a better future.

Zoran

pre 14 godina

I have been saying all the time, if north think they can somehow secede, then southern Serbia should do aswell.
(Pejoni, 10 February 2010, 13:51)
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Pejoni, Kosovo is Southern Serbia so why would the North secede when everyone wants to remain in Serbia?

Now, for the first time an ethnic Albanian politician has admitted the plan to integrate the North is not working out very well otherwise why mention Preševo?

The time is coming to accept the reality on the ground and negotiate a peaceful and prosperous future for all. We need to remove the distrust between our people and learn to live side by side.

Ron

pre 14 godina

I have been saying all the time, if north think they can somehow secede, then southern Serbia should do aswell. The only real solution for Balkan stability is to agree the border which exist today or hell will break out.
(Pejoni, 10 February 2010, 13:51)

So finally you accept that Kosovo is still part of Serbia? This is great news!

tom

pre 14 godina

the problem is to you albanians is that Bujanovac, and Medveđa are a Serbian majority so the only town with a albanian majority is preshovo so keep dreaming and maybe use your brains next time before you speak.

Dragan

pre 14 godina

This Krasniqi is yet another comedian on the Gong Show that is currently performing in Kosovo.
Just how does he plan to take parts of southern Serbia when the Serbian army is waiting for him? :)

Yomasz

pre 14 godina

Very easy to do: Start guerrilla fight against Serbia, Serbia will respond with disproportionate force, West intervenes, boom done deal.

Hank the Tank

pre 14 godina

There is a difference in stealing someone elses territory and trying to hold on to what is legaly yours. The whole of Kosovo is still legaly part of Serbia even though some dissagree. Also I would love to see the Presevo Albanians try to gain independence. Based on what borders? Based on what else? Albanians are hardly a majority in any town/city. What if the other peoples in Presevo want independece from Presevo Albanians? Look at the problems Albanians have from trying to steal Kosovo. What makes any normal person think stealing Presevo will be any easier?
Albanians are from Albania. If Serbia is not to their liking they are free to return to their country of origin.

CG

pre 14 godina

Under no circumstances!
Not an inch of Serbian territory will be ceded to the enemy.
All of Kosovo and other historic regions will return to Serbia,this offer shows only the nervousness of the Albanians.
They know that like in WW1 and WW2 they will loose this time too.

Zoran

pre 14 godina

A Kosovo Albanian official says that if Serbs from northern Kosovo wish to "secede", then "Albanians in southern Serbia are ready to join Kosovo".
--
Where did this guy get the idea that Serbian's want to secede? They want to remain exactly where they are, within Serbia.

The Albanians in Preševo valley vote in Serbian elections and participate in our political life. They are already joined to Kosovo since they accept Serbia as their country.

Looks like some people in the South (including EULEX officers) are getting high on Thaci's supply.

Pejoni

pre 14 godina

I have been saying all the time, if north think they can somehow secede, then southern Serbia should do aswell. The only real solution for Balkan stability is to agree the border which exist today or hell will break out.

VB

pre 14 godina

Is this guy dreaming or what? How can he exchange the two when he does not control either of them. Both North Mitro and Preshevo are under firm control of Serbia.

Milan

pre 14 godina

"He said that Kosovo Serbs "must understand" that the Kosovo institutions “respect the law on the entire territory of Kosovo". "

Mr Krasniqi - maybe You should understand, that so called "independent Kosovo" - will never exist as real independent state.

Artan

pre 14 godina

"I think it is time to take away the citizenships of ALL Albanians in all of Serbia and declare them persona non grata and send them to Albania [...]
(Milan, 10 February 2010, 15:25)"

You already tried that in 1999 when you massively deported almost 1 million of us from our homes, destroyed our property and documents so that we can never return.

Milan

pre 14 godina

"Very easy to do: Start guerrilla fight against Serbia, Serbia will respond with disproportionate force, West intervenes, boom done deal.
(Yomasz, 10 February 2010, 14:59)"

That is your dream scenario. This is how it will be: start guerrilla fight against Serbia, Serbia will respond with targeted and efficient force eliminating terrorists, West keeps very quiet, revolt starts in Kosovo, NATO turns against reemerged KLA (were they ever really gone?) and other Albanians, West realizes its mistake, UDI revoked, NATO leaves and Kosovo back to Serbia, Kosovo gets full autonomy and KLA terrorist finally go to trial in Belgrade, everybody happy and we can all move on to a better future.

Mike

pre 14 godina

Question: who's going to do the fighting for Presevo? Certainly not the United States or NATO. Does Mr. Krasniqi have a new generation of pizza flippers in Brooklyn he can rely on? Maybe he can ask Mesic to send in the Croatian army just before he leaves. People are always willing to gamble for high stakes if they envision using other people's money and lives.

Basil Brush

pre 14 godina

Very easy to do: Start guerrilla fight against Serbia, Serbia will respond with disproportionate force, West intervenes, boom done deal.
(Yomasz, 10 February 2010, 14:59)

If the Albanian hypernationalists try that old game again they will be sent packing with their tails in between their legs.

BOOM! BOOM!

tom

pre 14 godina

the problem is to you albanians is that Bujanovac, and Medveđa are a Serbian majority so the only town with a albanian majority is preshovo so keep dreaming and maybe use your brains next time before you speak.

Milan

pre 14 godina

No I think Serbia is dreaming because Kosovo have its borderes and the risk of seciding PRESHEVA,MEDVEGJA AND BUJANOVCI are very real.
so this is Serbias dream to exchange but no one is allowed to make deal in Kosovas name,Thaqi,Sejdiu or Krasiqi,if they do I will shoot them myself.
Kosovo is DARDANIA.
(Oso Kuka, 10 February 2010, 14:07)

I think Krasniqi is dreaming, becouse recognition of failed state of Kosovo stopped, they have any chance to join UN or EU, so he need to bulldoze other states with vision of new conflict.

No way mr Krasniqi.

P.S. "Dardania" was Roman province, where lived peoples spoken latin language. Are You you consider yourself an Italian or Vlach?? ;)

Pejoni

pre 14 godina

I have been saying all the time, if north think they can somehow secede, then southern Serbia should do aswell. The only real solution for Balkan stability is to agree the border which exist today or hell will break out.

Hank the Tank

pre 14 godina

There is a difference in stealing someone elses territory and trying to hold on to what is legaly yours. The whole of Kosovo is still legaly part of Serbia even though some dissagree. Also I would love to see the Presevo Albanians try to gain independence. Based on what borders? Based on what else? Albanians are hardly a majority in any town/city. What if the other peoples in Presevo want independece from Presevo Albanians? Look at the problems Albanians have from trying to steal Kosovo. What makes any normal person think stealing Presevo will be any easier?
Albanians are from Albania. If Serbia is not to their liking they are free to return to their country of origin.

Ratko

pre 14 godina

albans' goal from long time ago was to create greater albania and steal as mush territory as they can. The only negotiaion method albans understand is force, otherwise they will not stop to spread and steal more and more land. This is the truth. So NO SOFT POLICY with albans under no circumstances!

Olf

pre 14 godina

Mr Krasniqis idea sounds very crazy. It seems as if he does not uneerstand the basis of Negitioation. Why give away something that you have(N-Kosovo) for something that will be your soon(Presheva, Medveda and Bujanovac.

CG

pre 14 godina

Under no circumstances!
Not an inch of Serbian territory will be ceded to the enemy.
All of Kosovo and other historic regions will return to Serbia,this offer shows only the nervousness of the Albanians.
They know that like in WW1 and WW2 they will loose this time too.

Zoran

pre 14 godina

I have been saying all the time, if north think they can somehow secede, then southern Serbia should do aswell.
(Pejoni, 10 February 2010, 13:51)
--
Pejoni, Kosovo is Southern Serbia so why would the North secede when everyone wants to remain in Serbia?

Now, for the first time an ethnic Albanian politician has admitted the plan to integrate the North is not working out very well otherwise why mention Preševo?

The time is coming to accept the reality on the ground and negotiate a peaceful and prosperous future for all. We need to remove the distrust between our people and learn to live side by side.

Ron

pre 14 godina

I have been saying all the time, if north think they can somehow secede, then southern Serbia should do aswell. The only real solution for Balkan stability is to agree the border which exist today or hell will break out.
(Pejoni, 10 February 2010, 13:51)

So finally you accept that Kosovo is still part of Serbia? This is great news!

VB

pre 14 godina

Is this guy dreaming or what? How can he exchange the two when he does not control either of them. Both North Mitro and Preshevo are under firm control of Serbia.

Zoti

pre 14 godina

Krasniqi should have gone a step further and declared that Kosova will join Albania.
Perhaps we're a little late in realizing our national aspiration first declared at the Prizren League 132 years ago but better late than never.

It's useless trying to negotiate with Serbs.

Ron

pre 14 godina

Well, maybe transferring some Serbian regions to the SERBIAN PROVINCE OF KOSOVO is a good idea!

Mind that Kosovo is not an independent state so how can regions join a state that does not exist!

Check 1244 please!

Milan

pre 14 godina

I think it is time to take away the citizenships of ALL Albanians in all of Serbia and declare them persona non grata and send them to Albania (because that is what The West does with most of its illegals). It is clear that most Albanians do not want to live in Serbia and that they are a serious threat to Serbia's stability whether in the past, present or future. It sounds rude and bold, but considering many realities I do not see any other solution. And believe me that I am not some kind of radical nationalist so do not try to attack me on that one. If you are Albanian and not happy please feel free to move to any place of your liking.

Mike

pre 14 godina

"Mr Krasniqis idea sounds very crazy. It seems as if he does not uneerstand the basis of Negitioation. Why give away something that you have(N-Kosovo) for something that will be your soon(Presheva, Medveda and Bujanovac."
(Olf)

-- Bad Olf. Poor logic. First, Kosovo doesn't have the north. You would like them to have it but they don't. It's under Belgrade's control. Second, you're not getting Presevo anymore than Belgrade's getting RS. No one will be doing the fighting for you.

Bad logic. Bad Olf. No cookie for you.

Milan

pre 14 godina

"He said that Kosovo Serbs "must understand" that the Kosovo institutions “respect the law on the entire territory of Kosovo". "

Mr Krasniqi - maybe You should understand, that so called "independent Kosovo" - will never exist as real independent state.

Dragan

pre 14 godina

This Krasniqi is yet another comedian on the Gong Show that is currently performing in Kosovo.
Just how does he plan to take parts of southern Serbia when the Serbian army is waiting for him? :)

Mikael C

pre 14 godina

"You already tried that in 1999 when you massively deported almost 1 million of us from our homes, destroyed our property and documents so that we can never return."
Artan

If the Serbs wanted to deport albanians why didn't they do it before 1999? Instead Tito and even Milosevic allowed thousands of refugees from impovrished Albania to cross into Serbia. Why don't you admit that NATO bombing forced you to leave? Instead you blame the Serbs.

The Swiss

pre 14 godina

Krasniqi have a new generation of pizza flippers in Brooklyn he can rely on? Maybe he can ask Mesic to send in the Croatian army just before he leaves. People are always willing to gamble for high stakes if they envision using other people's money and lives.
(Mike, 10 February 2010 16:12)

Or maaybe they have a different calender with only 1st of april as a date...

Actually I don't recall any place on earth that had to claim nearly every day for now nearly 2 years "we are an independant country", that says all and only proves, if necessary that this region with the number 1244 sticked to its back is simply not a country, but a protectorate or whatever you want to call it!

Zoran

pre 14 godina

A Kosovo Albanian official says that if Serbs from northern Kosovo wish to "secede", then "Albanians in southern Serbia are ready to join Kosovo".
--
Where did this guy get the idea that Serbian's want to secede? They want to remain exactly where they are, within Serbia.

The Albanians in Preševo valley vote in Serbian elections and participate in our political life. They are already joined to Kosovo since they accept Serbia as their country.

Looks like some people in the South (including EULEX officers) are getting high on Thaci's supply.

albi

pre 14 godina

VB, Serbs have always operated under the principle "that which we have is ours, we can negotiate about the rest." That principle however hasn't always served you well every time. Sometimes the earth can move from under your feet. Sometimes what you think is yours, just isn't.

I think it is useful to point out that it is the Serbs who are keeping the conflict with Albanians alive by not allowing regularization in Kosovo.

anonymous

pre 14 godina

Albanians dont seem to remember what happend in 2001 when Presevo valley tried to secede! Dud serbia could wipe them out in 24 hrs like last time and with the permission of NATO just like in 2001! Serbia did get the green light from NATO and UN in kosovo to attack the seperatists in the presevo valley! There are 6.5 million serbs in serbia against 50,000 albanians in presevo valley, ITS COMMON SENSE! Last but not least did anyone forget about that huge military base they built in bujanovac!!!! Albanians, i dont think its a good idea!

Jason

pre 14 godina

Mr Krasniqis idea sounds very crazy. It seems as if he does not uneerstand the basis of Negitioation. Why give away something that you have(N-Kosovo) for something that will be your soon(Presheva, Medveda and Bujanovac.
(Olf, 10 February 2010 16:10)

Proof yet again "Olf" is a closet Albanian. No one working in any international organization even dreams that Presevo would be given to Kosovo. Never gonna happen, "Olf." Have you been drinking too much at some slavas lately?

Micheal Breathnach

pre 14 godina

This (Kosovo) Albanian official needs to find a pharmacy asap to buy himself a lenghty course of 'Cop on' tablets.

MB,Ireland

Milan

pre 14 godina

"You already tried that in 1999 when you massively deported almost 1 million of us from our homes, destroyed our property and documents so that we can never return.
(Artan, 10 February 2010, 16:24)"

You mean the hoax where "refugee" camps were already in place in Albania and FYROM for weeks and where CNN and the BBC had their crews ready to tape the NATO-created "humanitarian disaster" and then blame all on the Serbs. Or filming the orderly departure of Albanians from Pristina station by trains in such a way that it had to remind people of the trains of death that went to the Nazi concentration camps. Media is a powerful way of twisting the truth and no one is better at it than your US masters.

svojgazda

pre 14 godina

Who will start the hell, Pejoni? Do you think the NATO will bomb Serbia again? Or maybe if Albanians start shooting again, KFOR will put that down in a heartbeat? Please explain, where will the hell come from?

Oink

pre 14 godina

Why is it that in this part of the world the only things people can think of is separation, war and hate? Answer: Too many unemployed losers on both sides with nothing better to do.
The sooner you guys start seriously working to make better societies over there the better off you'll be.

Jan Andersen (DK)

pre 14 godina

Milan wrote: "I think it is time to take away the citizenships of ALL Albanians in all of Serbia and declare them persona non grata (...)"

On what grounds?
--

Mister

pre 14 godina

This guy's face will be red from being slapped about the stupidity of that statement.

The West is bending over backwards for K-Albanians and in return they want to threaten new disputes. Just great!

Yomasz

pre 14 godina

Very easy to do: Start guerrilla fight against Serbia, Serbia will respond with disproportionate force, West intervenes, boom done deal.

p2

pre 14 godina

The reality is that it’s you who are trying to divide Kosova that is one entity. The statement Kraniqi made was for you to reconsider what you are asking for, I’m sure that he is aware of the complex situation that WE ALL would find us in if northern part of Kosova was to be exchanged with the southern part of Serbia, that is prodomatly inhabited by Albanians. It’s you who are lacking in logics, you are claiming a part of Kosova because of the fact that the majority of the inhabitants are Serbs, but you neglect the fact that we could do the same with the southern part of Serbia with the same reason in mind, because the reality is that Kosova is independent but that fact hasn’t reacht your understanding yet, with this fact in mind I can understand why nothing makes sense for you. His statement also says that we also can fight back, radically if needed (as you do every single time), meaning that if you dare to claim northern Kosova then we also will truly wholehearted claim southern Serbia. In contrast of what I have said I’m convinced (regardless of what you Serbs think) that we Albanians truly want peace, I can guarantee you that the Serbs living in Kosova and who are not working in a way that is non-beneficial for Kosova will be treated with 100% respect. That’s a fact that Serbia never can offer me, the proof of this can be seen in southern Serbia where the rights of Albanians are neglected, where we in Kosova are offering far reaching rights and respect. You do as you want and as you see fit, but you are wrong my friends.

vladimir gagic

pre 14 godina

This fine with me, and I suspect most Serbs as well, so long as Northern Kosovo, Republika Srpska, and the Krajina join Serbia.

lowe

pre 14 godina

"The southern municipalities of central Serbia – Preševo, Bujanovac, and Medveđa – are home to the country's largest ethnic Albanian population outside of Kosovo."

Am I missing something here? I thought Serbs are an over 80% majority in Medveda and outnumber the Albanians in Bujanovac? So where is the justification for these regions to secede?

John

pre 14 godina

Oh great, just read that comments. Serbs threatening around because an Albanian play the "Dodik" card on Serbia's soil. Well, that is nothing new. But believe me, there is no need for violence. Civil disobedience works quite well and will make sure to obstruct anything what Serbs are trying to achieve, there and also on the European political scene. And if this Serbia is really as "democratic" and "advanced" as your ministers claim, you have no chance to pacify that area. I'm sure that this defiance towards Belgrade will make it very hard to achieve anything, and when Serbia uses violence to stop that civil disobedience then we have them exactly there where we are used to see Serbia.

Mr Rae

pre 14 godina

I'm not sure how this twisted style of logic is able to persist as long as it has. This issue of trading part for parcel seems on the surface a fair and equitable idea, until one actually spends more than a moment to look.
On one hand we notice Kosovo Albanians (perhaps general Albanians) claiming that it's only fair if Northern Kosovo separates and joins Serbia, that southern Serbia should join Kosovo. Let me see if we're all on the same page. Kosovo, a primariliy Albanian populated (former, or not -- not up for debate in this thread) province of Serbia can no longer live with Serbia and has requested to be independent. Then Northern Kosovo applies the same argument to Kosovo as K-Albanians used. Now it seems that both sides have played the same card, "I can't live with you, let me go free". Now it seems that the K-Albanians want to play the card again. That would make it twice for Albanians once for Serbians. Is this fair?
Furthermore, to another point. If in fact Kosovo's case is unique then this logic, of appropriating more territory from Serbia, cannot fall under the same argument, otherwise it would negate its uniqueness, the characteristic that is singly keeping the Kosovo UDI issue alive. However, since Northern Kosovo is by definition within Kosovo it is still encompassed within this uniqueness argument and would be equivalently allowed using same pretence to follow path that Kosovo took leaving Serbia.

So by virtue of tit-for-tat or uniqueness the issue of Albanians in Southern Serbia (not Kosovo -- Pressevo) is fundamentally a non-issue, for any Albanian that truly wants peace in the region.

The Swiss

pre 14 godina

would be given to Kosovo. Never gonna happen, "Olf." Have you been drinking too much at some slavas lately?
(Jason, 10 February 2010 18:22)


Jason, Olf has not been drinking, he is like this!

Amazing, or better say, alarming, to see all these k-a nationalists threatening from left and right, but hardly surprising!!

At least they have learn something from their masters: "when you have mess at home, make sure that you create mess somewhere else and blame the others for your misery"

It's even becoming difficult to find an appropriate word to describe such a poor mentality!

You might be able to steal land, you might be able to bribe politicians, countries to "back" you, you might be able to distribute medals, statues, but one thing for sure YOU CAN'T BUY respect and with this attitude you will NEVER have any respect from commun people!

Write it in your hand, not to forget and remember the US campain motto "a pig with lipstick remains a pig"

mms

pre 14 godina

While his statement is certainly a sign of frustration, is nationalistic, and extremist; it appears to be a sign that Thaci and co know that north of Ibar will always be out of their grasp, and finally are coming around to the idea of further negotiations.

Jason

pre 14 godina

Mike, not poor, but PURE LOGIC.
Serbia has No control over the north of Kosovo as you know. North of Kosovo is, to some extent, being run by Milosevic leftovers that are extremely corrupted, Serbian Mafia and by UNMIK loosers. So, if you say that Serbia runs the North than Serbia has another problem, Mafia running the state.

(Olf, 11 February 2010 11:15)

Poor Olf, trying so hard to act like he knows anything about what goes on in the north. The only thing that is not representative of the Serbian government is KPS. This is a pity because MUP would actually police the area instead of ignoring criminal activity. Then again, for €215 a month, I don't blame KPS for doing nothing.

Since you know nothing about the north, let us have a look, Olfy-boy...

Local government: Serbian
School and Uni: Serbian
Train service to BG: Serbian
Fire Department: Serbian
Road Maintenance: Serbian
Currency: Serbian
Electricity: Serbian
Telephone/Internet: Serbian
Postal Service: Serbian
Hospital/Health Care: Serbian

These services are being run by everyday Serbs, and they work just fine. The problem alone lies with lack of Serbian police in the north. For you to call these hard-working men and women members of the mafia shows you know nothing about the people there.

Anyway, here is your reality check. You're welcome.

billy

pre 14 godina

the idea to divide kosovo in any part would be the most and comlicated situation in the region because all of you here know that then would be new borders for serbia,macedonia,montenegro,

Zoran

pre 14 godina

Keep dreaming about Greater Albania my fellow citizens. All I know is that no ethnic Albanian politician from Preševo would dare mention joining with "Kosova".

If that ever happened, you'll know the justification for independence bringing stability to the region has just been thrown out the window. I don't think the US will like that very much.

It's great to see my fellow citizens (of Albanian ethnicity) lining up for Serbian passports. The reality of prison camp "Kosova" is sinking in.

Peggy

pre 14 godina

Independence for everyone. Twice on Sundays!
--
(Jan Andersen (DK), 10 February 2010 20:33)

Independence for RS and Krajina as well.
Do you agree?

Mike

pre 14 godina

"To be honest, Serbia pretends to support the north and the other Serb populated areas in Kosovo, but with no sucesss." (Olf)

-- Is this what you've actually convinced yourself to believe? Go and fly the flag of Kosovo in downtown Mitrovica and see what reaction you get. Give my regards to the Pink Elephant next time you see him.

Ataman

pre 14 godina

so this is Serbias dream to exchange but no one is allowed to make deal in Kosovas name,Thaqi,Sejdiu or Krasiqi,if they do I will shoot them myself.
Kosovo is DARDANIA.
(Oso Kuka, 10 February 2010, 14:07)

As Ben (the Albanian regular who as I recall is living in Belgium) one said: why precisely the most violent nationalists can't spell properly and can't distinguish between "ç" and "q" in Albanian? You put your tongue forward if you say "ç" and put it back and slightly up if you say "q".

Because it is "Thaçi" correctly.

Falemenderit.

Sreten

pre 14 godina

To Olf.
It's actually the other way around.
Serbia has effective control over both Presevo and norhtern Kosovo. And in this "generous" offer Pristina wants to give something that it doesn't control for something that it also doesn't control.
But, generally speaking proposal isn't a bad one, let's just bring RS in equation...

Gossamer

pre 14 godina

“Albanians are from Albania. If Serbia is not to their liking they are free to return to their country of origin.”

That was the essence of the ideology of Serbian dictator Slobodan Milosevic during the 90’s.

Kosovo is populated by Albanian-speaking people for centuries, and until Milosevic took over in 1988 it was independent from Belgrade on every aspect. Independent Kosovo must reatin the same borders that it had since 1945.

JS

pre 14 godina

There you have it; any partition of any entity is only then possible when the Albanians of Kosovo can benefit from it. In a way, it is good thing this comes out; now everyone can see what the goal really is. Now it is just Presevo, one day it will be NW Macedonia, Ulcinj and let's say any part of any European city where a few Albanian families live together... Hold on Serbia, truth finally wins. Always...

Olf

pre 14 godina

Mike, not poor, but PURE LOGIC.
Serbia has No control over the north of Kosovo as you know. North of Kosovo is, to some extent, being run by Milosevic leftovers that are extremely corrupted, Serbian Mafia and by UNMIK loosers. So, if you say that Serbia runs the North than Serbia has another problem, Mafia running the state.

To be honest, Serbia pretends to support the north and the other Serb populated areas in Kosovo, but with no sucesss. Even local Serbs have begun to turn their back to this Belgrade nonsense, since has produced no results.

MakSerb

pre 14 godina

The Albanians are not getting anything else. They can't secede from Presevo or anywhere else in Southern Serbia or Western Macedonia because none of those areas are provinces like Kosovo is. What are they going to do secede a city or a village? Good luck with that, especially in Western Macedonia where the cities in which ALbanians make up the majority the non-Albanians are only a minority by 2%. The 90% advantage they have in Kosovo was the first and the last time that will ever happen, especially now that Serbia and Macedonia have visa free travel in the Schengen Zone a lot of Albanians are going to go to Germany or Italy where they will stay and work to make enough money to bring the rest of their families there.

Albanians are hypocrites, they say that the borders of Kosovo must not change on ethnic (serbian ) lines, yet they want to change the borders of serbia and macedonia based on their own ethnic lines....

It's ok, let them try, Macedonia and Serbia and Greece and the rest of the Orthodox Balkans may have disputes over things, but no one will tolerate any more Greater Albanias.

CG

pre 14 godina

Krasniqi should have gone a step further and declared that Kosova will join Albania.
Perhaps we're a little late in realizing our national aspiration first declared at the Prizren League 132 years ago but better late than never.

It's useless trying to negotiate with Serbs.
(Zoti, 10 February 2010 19:46)

Go ahead as you want,you can declare Kosovo part of Alpha Centauri,that is your business,1244 and the world community thinks otherwise.
And to Sreten and other serbians who propose a deal with the Albanians.
No,no and no ,whole of Kosovo is Serbian and there will be no deal,never.
It was people like you(Sreten) that in 1945 and 1974 yielded to the"rightful aspirations of the brotherly Albanians(communist propaganda)"and created the groundwork for todays mess in the first place.
The Albanians,despite all off their blustering know very well that they will be in charge in our southern territory until the last American soldier leaves,and not one day longer.
That is why they are proposing such stuff,they need our defetistic elites to say :"Ok,we will hand it over to you and guarantee to never take back what is ours."
And with our corrupt elites in place today this is everything but unrealistic.
The crumbling of the American empire has begun,now it is only a matter of time when the day x comes and we will get our opportunity to solve this problem forever.
In the meantime make no concessions,the Albanians are isolated,we are not.
We can wait,they not.

Jovan

pre 14 godina

albanian dreams...

he will have to adjust his expectations, when something completely different happens...

Serbia will prevail!

just a question of time...

The Swiss

pre 14 godina

believe? Go and fly the flag of Kosovo in downtown Mitrovica and see what reaction you get. Give my regards to the Pink Elephant next time you see him.
(Mike, 11 February 2010 17:04)

You really made me laugh :))))

Jason

pre 14 godina

This could be a good obstacle to Serbia in EU bid.
Also this is a hard violation of UN resolution 1244 in which Serbian government is called that is violated from Kosovo government.
(4ever free, 12 February 2010 13:27)

When you say violation of 1244, how come you don't mention the part where it states Kosovo is part of Serbia? How come you don't mention the return of Serbian police and military to guard Serbian sacred sites and borders?

You sound a bit hypocritical to be asking about general services in the north when missing out on these major violations.

HE WHO SPEAKS THE TRUTH

pre 14 godina

If there is another gurilla war, and Serbia is a part of NATO as they are a participating in partnership for peace do you all actually think NATO will side with Kosovo? Wrong answer because they don't want a wide war and that is why those fighters ran back to Kosovo after Serbia smoke them out from Presevo i guess those cheerleaders from pristini and presevo forgot that part.

Jason Artur - UK

pre 14 godina

What is the country code to call Kosovo? I checked under listings and nothing is showing up. Oh I see ... Kosovo is listed as Serbia's country "381", I understand now :)
(trudsaam, 12 February 2010 18:19)

HAHA,, there is no country code for Kosovo. It ISN'T a country.

Zoti

pre 14 godina

Why precisely the most violent nationalists can't spell properly and can't distinguish between "ç" and "q" in Albanian? You put your tongue forward if you say "ç" and put it back and slightly up if you say "q".

Because it is "Thaçi" correctly.

Falemenderit.
(Ataman)

Very well played Sir :)
Here's my explanation as to why:
1. It's hard to write "ç" since it's a special character and not on a QWERTY keyboard so people resort to using either "c" (especially those educated in Albania) or "ç", which in the end although very similar to each other are still not the same charaters so "c" is just as wrong as "q".
2. Many Gheg Albanians hold a grudge towards Tosk Albanians for Tosk being the dialect literary Albanian is based on. Ghegs were always more numerous than the Tosks and they fought the hardest for Albania but the Communists that took over after 1945 were mainly Tosks so naturally they were more inclined to use a Tosk based dialect (more specifically that of Elbasan) in creating literary Albanian.
Using "q" is a sign of defiance towards literary Tosk based Albanian.
Also many Kosovar Albanians blame the Albanian communists for striking a deal with their Yugoslav counterparts and leaving Kosova under Serbia.
I suspect the second reason is the real reason.

garasanin

pre 14 godina

I think the entire Republic of Serbia should join Kosovo...then we have a referendum to change the name of the new entity to Serbia...majority rules right?

Jason

pre 14 godina

Thanks to all of you for the Milosevic style reality check. No need to spent your time with Milosevic propaganda anylonger.
All of the people that run the Institutions in the north are corrupt Milosevic leftovers, serbian mafia and some UNMIK loosers.

As for the flag, ordinary people have no reason to react different than normaly, since Kosovo and it's people have nothign to them. Their anger has started to shift towards the source of the problem, BELGRADE.
(Olf, 12 February 2010 09:38)

Milosevic style journalism? Is that the best comeback you have? No, buddy, I wrote facts. The institutions I mentioned are all easily verifiable. Sorry to shoot you down so swiftly.

As for your pathetic opinion that Serbian anger is turning towards Belgrade, I think it funny you claim to know this yet not know about what happens in the north. You should take Mike up on his suggestion to go fly a Kosovo flag on King Peter street.

Man you need a reality check, Fatmir...I mean, "Olf."

trudsaam

pre 14 godina

Thanks to all of you for the Milosevic style reality check. No need to spent your time with Milosevic propaganda anylonger.
All of the people that run the Institutions in the north are corrupt Milosevic leftovers, serbian mafia and some UNMIK loosers.

As for the flag, ordinary people have no reason to react different than normaly, since Kosovo and it's people have nothign to them. Their anger has started to shift towards the source of the problem, BELGRADE.
(Olf, 12 February 2010 09:38) ---

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No my friend, YOU are the problem. The mentality you Albanos in the provice of Kosovo is the problem. Time to modernise my friends, you dont live in the ancient times anymore. Arent you all concerned with the issues in Albania? When will they have their EU bid, or NATO affiliation? oo that's right , you gave up on this "love" of yours and moved to Serbia. Its fine tho, just proclaim yourselves as Serbian citizens and all will be fine :) good day

Olf

pre 14 godina

Thanks to all of you for the Milosevic style reality check. No need to spent your time with Milosevic propaganda anylonger.
All of the people that run the Institutions in the north are corrupt Milosevic leftovers, serbian mafia and some UNMIK loosers.

As for the flag, ordinary people have no reason to react different than normaly, since Kosovo and it's people have nothign to them. Their anger has started to shift towards the source of the problem, BELGRADE.

trudsaam

pre 14 godina

What is the country code to call Kosovo? I checked under listings and nothing is showing up. Oh I see ... Kosovo is listed as Serbia's country "381", I understand now :)

4ever free

pre 14 godina

Someone stated;
Local government: Serbian
School and Uni: Serbian
Train service to BG: Serbian
Fire Department: Serbian
Road Maintenance: Serbian
Currency: Serbian
Electricity: Serbian
Telephone/Internet: Serbian
Postal Service: Serbian
Hospital/Health Care: Serbian
------------------------------------------------------------
This could be a good obstacle to Serbia in EU bid.
Also this is a hard violation of UN resolution 1244 in which Serbian government is called that is violated from Kosovo government.

Albert

pre 14 godina

Southern Serbian Albanians are ready to join Kosovo someone said. Well, they don´t need to join anybody. What they need is more autonomy within Serbia. The same thing goes for the Serbs in North Kosovo. They should both have paralel Institutions, North Kosovo and Presevo Valley. And the moment, Serbia, Kosovo, and all Ballkans become members of EU, the only thing these tiny regions will serve is to collect some taxes, and you can imagine how much you can collect from Presevo walley or North Kosovo. As far as some of you living day by day to insult one another, I may add that this is the worst strategy to ever gain Kosovo back. Every insult you make, you will remind in this case Kosovo Albanians why they should never wish a union with Serbia. Continue if you want, but you do not represent the opinion of every Serb in your comments, certainly not mine!!!

Albert

pre 14 godina

Southern Serbian Albanians are ready to join Kosovo someone said. Well, they don´t need to join anybody. What they need is more autonomy within Serbia. The same thing goes for the Serbs in North Kosovo. They should both have paralel Institutions, North Kosovo and Presevo Valley. And the moment, Serbia, Kosovo, and all Ballkans become members of EU, the only thing these tiny regions will serve is to collect some taxes, and you can imagine how much you can collect from Presevo walley or North Kosovo. As far as some of you living day by day to insult one another, I may add that this is the worst strategy to ever gain Kosovo back. Every insult you make, you will remind in this case Kosovo Albanians why they should never wish a union with Serbia. Continue if you want, but you do not represent the opinion of every Serb in your comments, certainly not mine!!!

Dimitrije

pre 14 godina

Albert who are you kidding? i honestly hope you're not trying to insinuate that you are Serbian??

I am seriosuly considering donating to schools in Serbia that have ehtnic albanian kids maybe somewhere in Pristina: Someone needs to give these kids a better education :( its painfull reading the comments of there mums and dads...

Milan

pre 14 godina

"Very easy to do: Start guerrilla fight against Serbia, Serbia will respond with disproportionate force, West intervenes, boom done deal.
(Yomasz, 10 February 2010, 14:59)"

That is your dream scenario. This is how it will be: start guerrilla fight against Serbia, Serbia will respond with targeted and efficient force eliminating terrorists, West keeps very quiet, revolt starts in Kosovo, NATO turns against reemerged KLA (were they ever really gone?) and other Albanians, West realizes its mistake, UDI revoked, NATO leaves and Kosovo back to Serbia, Kosovo gets full autonomy and KLA terrorist finally go to trial in Belgrade, everybody happy and we can all move on to a better future.

Artan

pre 14 godina

"I think it is time to take away the citizenships of ALL Albanians in all of Serbia and declare them persona non grata and send them to Albania [...]
(Milan, 10 February 2010, 15:25)"

You already tried that in 1999 when you massively deported almost 1 million of us from our homes, destroyed our property and documents so that we can never return.

VB

pre 14 godina

Is this guy dreaming or what? How can he exchange the two when he does not control either of them. Both North Mitro and Preshevo are under firm control of Serbia.

Yomasz

pre 14 godina

Very easy to do: Start guerrilla fight against Serbia, Serbia will respond with disproportionate force, West intervenes, boom done deal.

p2

pre 14 godina

The reality is that it’s you who are trying to divide Kosova that is one entity. The statement Kraniqi made was for you to reconsider what you are asking for, I’m sure that he is aware of the complex situation that WE ALL would find us in if northern part of Kosova was to be exchanged with the southern part of Serbia, that is prodomatly inhabited by Albanians. It’s you who are lacking in logics, you are claiming a part of Kosova because of the fact that the majority of the inhabitants are Serbs, but you neglect the fact that we could do the same with the southern part of Serbia with the same reason in mind, because the reality is that Kosova is independent but that fact hasn’t reacht your understanding yet, with this fact in mind I can understand why nothing makes sense for you. His statement also says that we also can fight back, radically if needed (as you do every single time), meaning that if you dare to claim northern Kosova then we also will truly wholehearted claim southern Serbia. In contrast of what I have said I’m convinced (regardless of what you Serbs think) that we Albanians truly want peace, I can guarantee you that the Serbs living in Kosova and who are not working in a way that is non-beneficial for Kosova will be treated with 100% respect. That’s a fact that Serbia never can offer me, the proof of this can be seen in southern Serbia where the rights of Albanians are neglected, where we in Kosova are offering far reaching rights and respect. You do as you want and as you see fit, but you are wrong my friends.

Zoran

pre 14 godina

A Kosovo Albanian official says that if Serbs from northern Kosovo wish to "secede", then "Albanians in southern Serbia are ready to join Kosovo".
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Where did this guy get the idea that Serbian's want to secede? They want to remain exactly where they are, within Serbia.

The Albanians in Preševo valley vote in Serbian elections and participate in our political life. They are already joined to Kosovo since they accept Serbia as their country.

Looks like some people in the South (including EULEX officers) are getting high on Thaci's supply.

CG

pre 14 godina

Under no circumstances!
Not an inch of Serbian territory will be ceded to the enemy.
All of Kosovo and other historic regions will return to Serbia,this offer shows only the nervousness of the Albanians.
They know that like in WW1 and WW2 they will loose this time too.

Ron

pre 14 godina

I have been saying all the time, if north think they can somehow secede, then southern Serbia should do aswell. The only real solution for Balkan stability is to agree the border which exist today or hell will break out.
(Pejoni, 10 February 2010, 13:51)

So finally you accept that Kosovo is still part of Serbia? This is great news!

Milan

pre 14 godina

I think it is time to take away the citizenships of ALL Albanians in all of Serbia and declare them persona non grata and send them to Albania (because that is what The West does with most of its illegals). It is clear that most Albanians do not want to live in Serbia and that they are a serious threat to Serbia's stability whether in the past, present or future. It sounds rude and bold, but considering many realities I do not see any other solution. And believe me that I am not some kind of radical nationalist so do not try to attack me on that one. If you are Albanian and not happy please feel free to move to any place of your liking.

Olf

pre 14 godina

Mr Krasniqis idea sounds very crazy. It seems as if he does not uneerstand the basis of Negitioation. Why give away something that you have(N-Kosovo) for something that will be your soon(Presheva, Medveda and Bujanovac.

Milan

pre 14 godina

"He said that Kosovo Serbs "must understand" that the Kosovo institutions “respect the law on the entire territory of Kosovo". "

Mr Krasniqi - maybe You should understand, that so called "independent Kosovo" - will never exist as real independent state.

Hank the Tank

pre 14 godina

There is a difference in stealing someone elses territory and trying to hold on to what is legaly yours. The whole of Kosovo is still legaly part of Serbia even though some dissagree. Also I would love to see the Presevo Albanians try to gain independence. Based on what borders? Based on what else? Albanians are hardly a majority in any town/city. What if the other peoples in Presevo want independece from Presevo Albanians? Look at the problems Albanians have from trying to steal Kosovo. What makes any normal person think stealing Presevo will be any easier?
Albanians are from Albania. If Serbia is not to their liking they are free to return to their country of origin.

Mike

pre 14 godina

Question: who's going to do the fighting for Presevo? Certainly not the United States or NATO. Does Mr. Krasniqi have a new generation of pizza flippers in Brooklyn he can rely on? Maybe he can ask Mesic to send in the Croatian army just before he leaves. People are always willing to gamble for high stakes if they envision using other people's money and lives.

Ratko

pre 14 godina

albans' goal from long time ago was to create greater albania and steal as mush territory as they can. The only negotiaion method albans understand is force, otherwise they will not stop to spread and steal more and more land. This is the truth. So NO SOFT POLICY with albans under no circumstances!

Pejoni

pre 14 godina

I have been saying all the time, if north think they can somehow secede, then southern Serbia should do aswell. The only real solution for Balkan stability is to agree the border which exist today or hell will break out.

Basil Brush

pre 14 godina

Very easy to do: Start guerrilla fight against Serbia, Serbia will respond with disproportionate force, West intervenes, boom done deal.
(Yomasz, 10 February 2010, 14:59)

If the Albanian hypernationalists try that old game again they will be sent packing with their tails in between their legs.

BOOM! BOOM!

albi

pre 14 godina

VB, Serbs have always operated under the principle "that which we have is ours, we can negotiate about the rest." That principle however hasn't always served you well every time. Sometimes the earth can move from under your feet. Sometimes what you think is yours, just isn't.

I think it is useful to point out that it is the Serbs who are keeping the conflict with Albanians alive by not allowing regularization in Kosovo.

John

pre 14 godina

Oh great, just read that comments. Serbs threatening around because an Albanian play the "Dodik" card on Serbia's soil. Well, that is nothing new. But believe me, there is no need for violence. Civil disobedience works quite well and will make sure to obstruct anything what Serbs are trying to achieve, there and also on the European political scene. And if this Serbia is really as "democratic" and "advanced" as your ministers claim, you have no chance to pacify that area. I'm sure that this defiance towards Belgrade will make it very hard to achieve anything, and when Serbia uses violence to stop that civil disobedience then we have them exactly there where we are used to see Serbia.

Ron

pre 14 godina

Well, maybe transferring some Serbian regions to the SERBIAN PROVINCE OF KOSOVO is a good idea!

Mind that Kosovo is not an independent state so how can regions join a state that does not exist!

Check 1244 please!

Milan

pre 14 godina

No I think Serbia is dreaming because Kosovo have its borderes and the risk of seciding PRESHEVA,MEDVEGJA AND BUJANOVCI are very real.
so this is Serbias dream to exchange but no one is allowed to make deal in Kosovas name,Thaqi,Sejdiu or Krasiqi,if they do I will shoot them myself.
Kosovo is DARDANIA.
(Oso Kuka, 10 February 2010, 14:07)

I think Krasniqi is dreaming, becouse recognition of failed state of Kosovo stopped, they have any chance to join UN or EU, so he need to bulldoze other states with vision of new conflict.

No way mr Krasniqi.

P.S. "Dardania" was Roman province, where lived peoples spoken latin language. Are You you consider yourself an Italian or Vlach?? ;)

tom

pre 14 godina

the problem is to you albanians is that Bujanovac, and Medveđa are a Serbian majority so the only town with a albanian majority is preshovo so keep dreaming and maybe use your brains next time before you speak.

Zoran

pre 14 godina

I have been saying all the time, if north think they can somehow secede, then southern Serbia should do aswell.
(Pejoni, 10 February 2010, 13:51)
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Pejoni, Kosovo is Southern Serbia so why would the North secede when everyone wants to remain in Serbia?

Now, for the first time an ethnic Albanian politician has admitted the plan to integrate the North is not working out very well otherwise why mention Preševo?

The time is coming to accept the reality on the ground and negotiate a peaceful and prosperous future for all. We need to remove the distrust between our people and learn to live side by side.

Mikael C

pre 14 godina

"You already tried that in 1999 when you massively deported almost 1 million of us from our homes, destroyed our property and documents so that we can never return."
Artan

If the Serbs wanted to deport albanians why didn't they do it before 1999? Instead Tito and even Milosevic allowed thousands of refugees from impovrished Albania to cross into Serbia. Why don't you admit that NATO bombing forced you to leave? Instead you blame the Serbs.

Dragan

pre 14 godina

This Krasniqi is yet another comedian on the Gong Show that is currently performing in Kosovo.
Just how does he plan to take parts of southern Serbia when the Serbian army is waiting for him? :)

Zoti

pre 14 godina

Krasniqi should have gone a step further and declared that Kosova will join Albania.
Perhaps we're a little late in realizing our national aspiration first declared at the Prizren League 132 years ago but better late than never.

It's useless trying to negotiate with Serbs.

Milan

pre 14 godina

"You already tried that in 1999 when you massively deported almost 1 million of us from our homes, destroyed our property and documents so that we can never return.
(Artan, 10 February 2010, 16:24)"

You mean the hoax where "refugee" camps were already in place in Albania and FYROM for weeks and where CNN and the BBC had their crews ready to tape the NATO-created "humanitarian disaster" and then blame all on the Serbs. Or filming the orderly departure of Albanians from Pristina station by trains in such a way that it had to remind people of the trains of death that went to the Nazi concentration camps. Media is a powerful way of twisting the truth and no one is better at it than your US masters.

Mike

pre 14 godina

"Mr Krasniqis idea sounds very crazy. It seems as if he does not uneerstand the basis of Negitioation. Why give away something that you have(N-Kosovo) for something that will be your soon(Presheva, Medveda and Bujanovac."
(Olf)

-- Bad Olf. Poor logic. First, Kosovo doesn't have the north. You would like them to have it but they don't. It's under Belgrade's control. Second, you're not getting Presevo anymore than Belgrade's getting RS. No one will be doing the fighting for you.

Bad logic. Bad Olf. No cookie for you.

The Swiss

pre 14 godina

Krasniqi have a new generation of pizza flippers in Brooklyn he can rely on? Maybe he can ask Mesic to send in the Croatian army just before he leaves. People are always willing to gamble for high stakes if they envision using other people's money and lives.
(Mike, 10 February 2010 16:12)

Or maaybe they have a different calender with only 1st of april as a date...

Actually I don't recall any place on earth that had to claim nearly every day for now nearly 2 years "we are an independant country", that says all and only proves, if necessary that this region with the number 1244 sticked to its back is simply not a country, but a protectorate or whatever you want to call it!

Jan Andersen (DK)

pre 14 godina

Milan wrote: "I think it is time to take away the citizenships of ALL Albanians in all of Serbia and declare them persona non grata (...)"

On what grounds?
--

anonymous

pre 14 godina

Albanians dont seem to remember what happend in 2001 when Presevo valley tried to secede! Dud serbia could wipe them out in 24 hrs like last time and with the permission of NATO just like in 2001! Serbia did get the green light from NATO and UN in kosovo to attack the seperatists in the presevo valley! There are 6.5 million serbs in serbia against 50,000 albanians in presevo valley, ITS COMMON SENSE! Last but not least did anyone forget about that huge military base they built in bujanovac!!!! Albanians, i dont think its a good idea!

mms

pre 14 godina

While his statement is certainly a sign of frustration, is nationalistic, and extremist; it appears to be a sign that Thaci and co know that north of Ibar will always be out of their grasp, and finally are coming around to the idea of further negotiations.

Mister

pre 14 godina

This guy's face will be red from being slapped about the stupidity of that statement.

The West is bending over backwards for K-Albanians and in return they want to threaten new disputes. Just great!

Jason

pre 14 godina

Mr Krasniqis idea sounds very crazy. It seems as if he does not uneerstand the basis of Negitioation. Why give away something that you have(N-Kosovo) for something that will be your soon(Presheva, Medveda and Bujanovac.
(Olf, 10 February 2010 16:10)

Proof yet again "Olf" is a closet Albanian. No one working in any international organization even dreams that Presevo would be given to Kosovo. Never gonna happen, "Olf." Have you been drinking too much at some slavas lately?

Micheal Breathnach

pre 14 godina

This (Kosovo) Albanian official needs to find a pharmacy asap to buy himself a lenghty course of 'Cop on' tablets.

MB,Ireland

vladimir gagic

pre 14 godina

This fine with me, and I suspect most Serbs as well, so long as Northern Kosovo, Republika Srpska, and the Krajina join Serbia.

Olf

pre 14 godina

Mike, not poor, but PURE LOGIC.
Serbia has No control over the north of Kosovo as you know. North of Kosovo is, to some extent, being run by Milosevic leftovers that are extremely corrupted, Serbian Mafia and by UNMIK loosers. So, if you say that Serbia runs the North than Serbia has another problem, Mafia running the state.

To be honest, Serbia pretends to support the north and the other Serb populated areas in Kosovo, but with no sucesss. Even local Serbs have begun to turn their back to this Belgrade nonsense, since has produced no results.

svojgazda

pre 14 godina

Who will start the hell, Pejoni? Do you think the NATO will bomb Serbia again? Or maybe if Albanians start shooting again, KFOR will put that down in a heartbeat? Please explain, where will the hell come from?

The Swiss

pre 14 godina

would be given to Kosovo. Never gonna happen, "Olf." Have you been drinking too much at some slavas lately?
(Jason, 10 February 2010 18:22)


Jason, Olf has not been drinking, he is like this!

Amazing, or better say, alarming, to see all these k-a nationalists threatening from left and right, but hardly surprising!!

At least they have learn something from their masters: "when you have mess at home, make sure that you create mess somewhere else and blame the others for your misery"

It's even becoming difficult to find an appropriate word to describe such a poor mentality!

You might be able to steal land, you might be able to bribe politicians, countries to "back" you, you might be able to distribute medals, statues, but one thing for sure YOU CAN'T BUY respect and with this attitude you will NEVER have any respect from commun people!

Write it in your hand, not to forget and remember the US campain motto "a pig with lipstick remains a pig"

Gossamer

pre 14 godina

“Albanians are from Albania. If Serbia is not to their liking they are free to return to their country of origin.”

That was the essence of the ideology of Serbian dictator Slobodan Milosevic during the 90’s.

Kosovo is populated by Albanian-speaking people for centuries, and until Milosevic took over in 1988 it was independent from Belgrade on every aspect. Independent Kosovo must reatin the same borders that it had since 1945.

Zoran

pre 14 godina

Keep dreaming about Greater Albania my fellow citizens. All I know is that no ethnic Albanian politician from Preševo would dare mention joining with "Kosova".

If that ever happened, you'll know the justification for independence bringing stability to the region has just been thrown out the window. I don't think the US will like that very much.

It's great to see my fellow citizens (of Albanian ethnicity) lining up for Serbian passports. The reality of prison camp "Kosova" is sinking in.

Mr Rae

pre 14 godina

I'm not sure how this twisted style of logic is able to persist as long as it has. This issue of trading part for parcel seems on the surface a fair and equitable idea, until one actually spends more than a moment to look.
On one hand we notice Kosovo Albanians (perhaps general Albanians) claiming that it's only fair if Northern Kosovo separates and joins Serbia, that southern Serbia should join Kosovo. Let me see if we're all on the same page. Kosovo, a primariliy Albanian populated (former, or not -- not up for debate in this thread) province of Serbia can no longer live with Serbia and has requested to be independent. Then Northern Kosovo applies the same argument to Kosovo as K-Albanians used. Now it seems that both sides have played the same card, "I can't live with you, let me go free". Now it seems that the K-Albanians want to play the card again. That would make it twice for Albanians once for Serbians. Is this fair?
Furthermore, to another point. If in fact Kosovo's case is unique then this logic, of appropriating more territory from Serbia, cannot fall under the same argument, otherwise it would negate its uniqueness, the characteristic that is singly keeping the Kosovo UDI issue alive. However, since Northern Kosovo is by definition within Kosovo it is still encompassed within this uniqueness argument and would be equivalently allowed using same pretence to follow path that Kosovo took leaving Serbia.

So by virtue of tit-for-tat or uniqueness the issue of Albanians in Southern Serbia (not Kosovo -- Pressevo) is fundamentally a non-issue, for any Albanian that truly wants peace in the region.

billy

pre 14 godina

the idea to divide kosovo in any part would be the most and comlicated situation in the region because all of you here know that then would be new borders for serbia,macedonia,montenegro,

lowe

pre 14 godina

"The southern municipalities of central Serbia – Preševo, Bujanovac, and Medveđa – are home to the country's largest ethnic Albanian population outside of Kosovo."

Am I missing something here? I thought Serbs are an over 80% majority in Medveda and outnumber the Albanians in Bujanovac? So where is the justification for these regions to secede?

JS

pre 14 godina

There you have it; any partition of any entity is only then possible when the Albanians of Kosovo can benefit from it. In a way, it is good thing this comes out; now everyone can see what the goal really is. Now it is just Presevo, one day it will be NW Macedonia, Ulcinj and let's say any part of any European city where a few Albanian families live together... Hold on Serbia, truth finally wins. Always...

Zoti

pre 14 godina

Why precisely the most violent nationalists can't spell properly and can't distinguish between "ç" and "q" in Albanian? You put your tongue forward if you say "ç" and put it back and slightly up if you say "q".

Because it is "Thaçi" correctly.

Falemenderit.
(Ataman)

Very well played Sir :)
Here's my explanation as to why:
1. It's hard to write "ç" since it's a special character and not on a QWERTY keyboard so people resort to using either "c" (especially those educated in Albania) or "ç", which in the end although very similar to each other are still not the same charaters so "c" is just as wrong as "q".
2. Many Gheg Albanians hold a grudge towards Tosk Albanians for Tosk being the dialect literary Albanian is based on. Ghegs were always more numerous than the Tosks and they fought the hardest for Albania but the Communists that took over after 1945 were mainly Tosks so naturally they were more inclined to use a Tosk based dialect (more specifically that of Elbasan) in creating literary Albanian.
Using "q" is a sign of defiance towards literary Tosk based Albanian.
Also many Kosovar Albanians blame the Albanian communists for striking a deal with their Yugoslav counterparts and leaving Kosova under Serbia.
I suspect the second reason is the real reason.

Peggy

pre 14 godina

Independence for everyone. Twice on Sundays!
--
(Jan Andersen (DK), 10 February 2010 20:33)

Independence for RS and Krajina as well.
Do you agree?

Sreten

pre 14 godina

To Olf.
It's actually the other way around.
Serbia has effective control over both Presevo and norhtern Kosovo. And in this "generous" offer Pristina wants to give something that it doesn't control for something that it also doesn't control.
But, generally speaking proposal isn't a bad one, let's just bring RS in equation...

MakSerb

pre 14 godina

The Albanians are not getting anything else. They can't secede from Presevo or anywhere else in Southern Serbia or Western Macedonia because none of those areas are provinces like Kosovo is. What are they going to do secede a city or a village? Good luck with that, especially in Western Macedonia where the cities in which ALbanians make up the majority the non-Albanians are only a minority by 2%. The 90% advantage they have in Kosovo was the first and the last time that will ever happen, especially now that Serbia and Macedonia have visa free travel in the Schengen Zone a lot of Albanians are going to go to Germany or Italy where they will stay and work to make enough money to bring the rest of their families there.

Albanians are hypocrites, they say that the borders of Kosovo must not change on ethnic (serbian ) lines, yet they want to change the borders of serbia and macedonia based on their own ethnic lines....

It's ok, let them try, Macedonia and Serbia and Greece and the rest of the Orthodox Balkans may have disputes over things, but no one will tolerate any more Greater Albanias.

CG

pre 14 godina

Krasniqi should have gone a step further and declared that Kosova will join Albania.
Perhaps we're a little late in realizing our national aspiration first declared at the Prizren League 132 years ago but better late than never.

It's useless trying to negotiate with Serbs.
(Zoti, 10 February 2010 19:46)

Go ahead as you want,you can declare Kosovo part of Alpha Centauri,that is your business,1244 and the world community thinks otherwise.
And to Sreten and other serbians who propose a deal with the Albanians.
No,no and no ,whole of Kosovo is Serbian and there will be no deal,never.
It was people like you(Sreten) that in 1945 and 1974 yielded to the"rightful aspirations of the brotherly Albanians(communist propaganda)"and created the groundwork for todays mess in the first place.
The Albanians,despite all off their blustering know very well that they will be in charge in our southern territory until the last American soldier leaves,and not one day longer.
That is why they are proposing such stuff,they need our defetistic elites to say :"Ok,we will hand it over to you and guarantee to never take back what is ours."
And with our corrupt elites in place today this is everything but unrealistic.
The crumbling of the American empire has begun,now it is only a matter of time when the day x comes and we will get our opportunity to solve this problem forever.
In the meantime make no concessions,the Albanians are isolated,we are not.
We can wait,they not.

Oink

pre 14 godina

Why is it that in this part of the world the only things people can think of is separation, war and hate? Answer: Too many unemployed losers on both sides with nothing better to do.
The sooner you guys start seriously working to make better societies over there the better off you'll be.

Olf

pre 14 godina

Thanks to all of you for the Milosevic style reality check. No need to spent your time with Milosevic propaganda anylonger.
All of the people that run the Institutions in the north are corrupt Milosevic leftovers, serbian mafia and some UNMIK loosers.

As for the flag, ordinary people have no reason to react different than normaly, since Kosovo and it's people have nothign to them. Their anger has started to shift towards the source of the problem, BELGRADE.

Jovan

pre 14 godina

albanian dreams...

he will have to adjust his expectations, when something completely different happens...

Serbia will prevail!

just a question of time...

Jason

pre 14 godina

Mike, not poor, but PURE LOGIC.
Serbia has No control over the north of Kosovo as you know. North of Kosovo is, to some extent, being run by Milosevic leftovers that are extremely corrupted, Serbian Mafia and by UNMIK loosers. So, if you say that Serbia runs the North than Serbia has another problem, Mafia running the state.

(Olf, 11 February 2010 11:15)

Poor Olf, trying so hard to act like he knows anything about what goes on in the north. The only thing that is not representative of the Serbian government is KPS. This is a pity because MUP would actually police the area instead of ignoring criminal activity. Then again, for €215 a month, I don't blame KPS for doing nothing.

Since you know nothing about the north, let us have a look, Olfy-boy...

Local government: Serbian
School and Uni: Serbian
Train service to BG: Serbian
Fire Department: Serbian
Road Maintenance: Serbian
Currency: Serbian
Electricity: Serbian
Telephone/Internet: Serbian
Postal Service: Serbian
Hospital/Health Care: Serbian

These services are being run by everyday Serbs, and they work just fine. The problem alone lies with lack of Serbian police in the north. For you to call these hard-working men and women members of the mafia shows you know nothing about the people there.

Anyway, here is your reality check. You're welcome.

Mike

pre 14 godina

"To be honest, Serbia pretends to support the north and the other Serb populated areas in Kosovo, but with no sucesss." (Olf)

-- Is this what you've actually convinced yourself to believe? Go and fly the flag of Kosovo in downtown Mitrovica and see what reaction you get. Give my regards to the Pink Elephant next time you see him.

The Swiss

pre 14 godina

believe? Go and fly the flag of Kosovo in downtown Mitrovica and see what reaction you get. Give my regards to the Pink Elephant next time you see him.
(Mike, 11 February 2010 17:04)

You really made me laugh :))))

4ever free

pre 14 godina

Someone stated;
Local government: Serbian
School and Uni: Serbian
Train service to BG: Serbian
Fire Department: Serbian
Road Maintenance: Serbian
Currency: Serbian
Electricity: Serbian
Telephone/Internet: Serbian
Postal Service: Serbian
Hospital/Health Care: Serbian
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This could be a good obstacle to Serbia in EU bid.
Also this is a hard violation of UN resolution 1244 in which Serbian government is called that is violated from Kosovo government.

Jason

pre 14 godina

Thanks to all of you for the Milosevic style reality check. No need to spent your time with Milosevic propaganda anylonger.
All of the people that run the Institutions in the north are corrupt Milosevic leftovers, serbian mafia and some UNMIK loosers.

As for the flag, ordinary people have no reason to react different than normaly, since Kosovo and it's people have nothign to them. Their anger has started to shift towards the source of the problem, BELGRADE.
(Olf, 12 February 2010 09:38)

Milosevic style journalism? Is that the best comeback you have? No, buddy, I wrote facts. The institutions I mentioned are all easily verifiable. Sorry to shoot you down so swiftly.

As for your pathetic opinion that Serbian anger is turning towards Belgrade, I think it funny you claim to know this yet not know about what happens in the north. You should take Mike up on his suggestion to go fly a Kosovo flag on King Peter street.

Man you need a reality check, Fatmir...I mean, "Olf."

trudsaam

pre 14 godina

Thanks to all of you for the Milosevic style reality check. No need to spent your time with Milosevic propaganda anylonger.
All of the people that run the Institutions in the north are corrupt Milosevic leftovers, serbian mafia and some UNMIK loosers.

As for the flag, ordinary people have no reason to react different than normaly, since Kosovo and it's people have nothign to them. Their anger has started to shift towards the source of the problem, BELGRADE.
(Olf, 12 February 2010 09:38) ---

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No my friend, YOU are the problem. The mentality you Albanos in the provice of Kosovo is the problem. Time to modernise my friends, you dont live in the ancient times anymore. Arent you all concerned with the issues in Albania? When will they have their EU bid, or NATO affiliation? oo that's right , you gave up on this "love" of yours and moved to Serbia. Its fine tho, just proclaim yourselves as Serbian citizens and all will be fine :) good day

HE WHO SPEAKS THE TRUTH

pre 14 godina

If there is another gurilla war, and Serbia is a part of NATO as they are a participating in partnership for peace do you all actually think NATO will side with Kosovo? Wrong answer because they don't want a wide war and that is why those fighters ran back to Kosovo after Serbia smoke them out from Presevo i guess those cheerleaders from pristini and presevo forgot that part.

Jason

pre 14 godina

This could be a good obstacle to Serbia in EU bid.
Also this is a hard violation of UN resolution 1244 in which Serbian government is called that is violated from Kosovo government.
(4ever free, 12 February 2010 13:27)

When you say violation of 1244, how come you don't mention the part where it states Kosovo is part of Serbia? How come you don't mention the return of Serbian police and military to guard Serbian sacred sites and borders?

You sound a bit hypocritical to be asking about general services in the north when missing out on these major violations.

garasanin

pre 14 godina

I think the entire Republic of Serbia should join Kosovo...then we have a referendum to change the name of the new entity to Serbia...majority rules right?

trudsaam

pre 14 godina

What is the country code to call Kosovo? I checked under listings and nothing is showing up. Oh I see ... Kosovo is listed as Serbia's country "381", I understand now :)

Jason Artur - UK

pre 14 godina

What is the country code to call Kosovo? I checked under listings and nothing is showing up. Oh I see ... Kosovo is listed as Serbia's country "381", I understand now :)
(trudsaam, 12 February 2010 18:19)

HAHA,, there is no country code for Kosovo. It ISN'T a country.

Ataman

pre 14 godina

so this is Serbias dream to exchange but no one is allowed to make deal in Kosovas name,Thaqi,Sejdiu or Krasiqi,if they do I will shoot them myself.
Kosovo is DARDANIA.
(Oso Kuka, 10 February 2010, 14:07)

As Ben (the Albanian regular who as I recall is living in Belgium) one said: why precisely the most violent nationalists can't spell properly and can't distinguish between "ç" and "q" in Albanian? You put your tongue forward if you say "ç" and put it back and slightly up if you say "q".

Because it is "Thaçi" correctly.

Falemenderit.

Dimitrije

pre 14 godina

Albert who are you kidding? i honestly hope you're not trying to insinuate that you are Serbian??

I am seriosuly considering donating to schools in Serbia that have ehtnic albanian kids maybe somewhere in Pristina: Someone needs to give these kids a better education :( its painfull reading the comments of there mums and dads...

Albert

pre 14 godina

Southern Serbian Albanians are ready to join Kosovo someone said. Well, they don´t need to join anybody. What they need is more autonomy within Serbia. The same thing goes for the Serbs in North Kosovo. They should both have paralel Institutions, North Kosovo and Presevo Valley. And the moment, Serbia, Kosovo, and all Ballkans become members of EU, the only thing these tiny regions will serve is to collect some taxes, and you can imagine how much you can collect from Presevo walley or North Kosovo. As far as some of you living day by day to insult one another, I may add that this is the worst strategy to ever gain Kosovo back. Every insult you make, you will remind in this case Kosovo Albanians why they should never wish a union with Serbia. Continue if you want, but you do not represent the opinion of every Serb in your comments, certainly not mine!!!

Albert

pre 14 godina

Southern Serbian Albanians are ready to join Kosovo someone said. Well, they don´t need to join anybody. What they need is more autonomy within Serbia. The same thing goes for the Serbs in North Kosovo. They should both have paralel Institutions, North Kosovo and Presevo Valley. And the moment, Serbia, Kosovo, and all Ballkans become members of EU, the only thing these tiny regions will serve is to collect some taxes, and you can imagine how much you can collect from Presevo walley or North Kosovo. As far as some of you living day by day to insult one another, I may add that this is the worst strategy to ever gain Kosovo back. Every insult you make, you will remind in this case Kosovo Albanians why they should never wish a union with Serbia. Continue if you want, but you do not represent the opinion of every Serb in your comments, certainly not mine!!!