The intention behind the actions of Slobodan Milosevic and his henchmen Ratko Mladic and Radovan Karadzic was the complete wipe-out of non-Slavorthodox population from Bosnia and Kosovo.
The Bosnian Muslims and international community have been using the names of soldiers who died in the Srebrenica BEFORE the fall to increase their totals.
Soldiers who died fighting or went missing in 1993 are on the list of Srebrenica massacre victimes.
They do not have 8,000 bodies - they might have that many bones - as it was shown they will count parts, and even individual bones - MANY FOUND WELL OUTSIDE SREBRENICA IN SERB VILLAGES WHERE NASER ORIC'S 28th BRIGADE RAIDED - which are not identified as Muslims.
There is a reason why the media and the prosecution at the ICTY use the phrase 'men and boys', because they were NOT civilians, a legally recognized term. Most of them were also soldiers of the ArBiH etc. etc. Not even the prosecution has sought to challenge this.
So let's see, Srebrenica=Rwanda (~500k civilians)=Sudan (~100ks civilians). Oh, and according to the BBC and British government, the Turks DIDN"'t commit genocide against the armenians, so whilst representatives from Bosnia are invited to their holocaust memorial day, armenians are not. Or maybe Tudjman who wrote that the murder of 6 million jewish civilians during the Holocaust is a massive over estimate (amongst other things) being invited by Bill Clinton to the opening of the US holocaust memorial museum?
Political correctness is for cowards, wimps and the media who are into self-censorship (particularly when their own state goes to war).
So war crime, yes, genocide no.
Instead of just repeating what is written on some blog or peddled by lying politicians, the trial transcripts are there and the court's judgment that redefine's 'genocide' to fit the events of Srebrenica, because as people like Madeliene Albright have said, the 'bar is set too high for genocide'. The ICTY significantly lowered it and that is one of the many reasons that it is an institutionally racist institution that is designed to apportion blame on the Serbs for everything that has happened in the Balkans whilst refusing to investigate those (outside the Balkans) who also drove and pushed for the war, and when it came flooded it with weapons directly an via third parties to keep it going until the 'right side' won.
Where would the Croats have been without all those ex-GDR tanks or all the help Gotovina is getting from the US for his trial to keep their complicity in war crimes out?
The reason that the ICTY is being shut down soon is that no western head of state would ever put themselves anywhere near such a corrupt institution, preferring the ICC which is based on entirely different principles.
It is good enough for the 'barbarians' in the Balkans, but not good enough for the 'sophisticated' west which has the deaths of close to a million people due to their actions since 1989. It's amazing what you can get away with when you have got nukes.
"To deny that genocide took place in Srebrenica, is like denying the holocaust."
Terry,
One is not a denier if one calls Srebrenica a massacre instead of genocide. Proper use of terms and definitions is very important, although the area between them is gray and variable. I would like to remind you that Croatia is still denying the true genocide that was committed on Serbs and many other "undesirables" of the Nazis and their fascist allies. Serbs and many others were part of the Holocaust. So I think Serbs are in a reasonable position to use proper terms and judge their values and meanings.
We all know what happened in Srebrenica and we all know that awfull crimes were committed by Serbs, Muslims and Croats alike, during the Balkan wars of the 90's. To deny that genocide took place in Srebrenica, is like denying the holocaust.
The reason, I think, why the Serb government is reluctant to aknowledge that genocide was committed, by the forces that were commanded by Milosovic, Mladic and Karadzic, is because Serbia would have to pay damages to all the families, of those men, women and children, that were murdered. This is what they are trying to avoid.
Like so often, in life, it is simply a question of money.
What dictates that one crime is genocide when others aren't?
Genocide is a matter of law, not a question of rhetoric. Many crimes were committed in the Balkan wars of the 1990s, some of them quite horrendous. But until now only the crime committed at Srebrenica in July 1995 has been determined to be genocide, not just by the ICTY but also by the International Court of Justice - the World Court.
Anyone who really wants to know what qualified the crime at Srebrenica as genocide can read the World Court's decision, at
http://www.icj-cij.org/docket/files/91/13685.pdf
It would be dishonest and cowardly to call the crime at Srebrenica something other than genocide, which is what it was.
Without wishing to downplay what happened at Srebrenica, there are so many incidences of horrendous crimes on all sides in the Balkans. What dictates that one is genocide when others aren't?
Karadžić said that it is being said that a wide consensus on the resolution is important.
--
Mr Karadžić, haven't you seen the polls, Serbians do not support such a resolution. There is more support for a resolution condemning all crimes. Are we saying that Serbian victims are less important than Bosnian Muslims?
Karadžić said that it is being said that a wide consensus on the resolution is important.
--
Mr Karadžić, haven't you seen the polls, Serbians do not support such a resolution. There is more support for a resolution condemning all crimes. Are we saying that Serbian victims are less important than Bosnian Muslims?
We all know what happened in Srebrenica and we all know that awfull crimes were committed by Serbs, Muslims and Croats alike, during the Balkan wars of the 90's. To deny that genocide took place in Srebrenica, is like denying the holocaust.
The reason, I think, why the Serb government is reluctant to aknowledge that genocide was committed, by the forces that were commanded by Milosovic, Mladic and Karadzic, is because Serbia would have to pay damages to all the families, of those men, women and children, that were murdered. This is what they are trying to avoid.
Like so often, in life, it is simply a question of money.
What dictates that one crime is genocide when others aren't?
Genocide is a matter of law, not a question of rhetoric. Many crimes were committed in the Balkan wars of the 1990s, some of them quite horrendous. But until now only the crime committed at Srebrenica in July 1995 has been determined to be genocide, not just by the ICTY but also by the International Court of Justice - the World Court.
Anyone who really wants to know what qualified the crime at Srebrenica as genocide can read the World Court's decision, at
http://www.icj-cij.org/docket/files/91/13685.pdf
It would be dishonest and cowardly to call the crime at Srebrenica something other than genocide, which is what it was.
There is a reason why the media and the prosecution at the ICTY use the phrase 'men and boys', because they were NOT civilians, a legally recognized term. Most of them were also soldiers of the ArBiH etc. etc. Not even the prosecution has sought to challenge this.
So let's see, Srebrenica=Rwanda (~500k civilians)=Sudan (~100ks civilians). Oh, and according to the BBC and British government, the Turks DIDN"'t commit genocide against the armenians, so whilst representatives from Bosnia are invited to their holocaust memorial day, armenians are not. Or maybe Tudjman who wrote that the murder of 6 million jewish civilians during the Holocaust is a massive over estimate (amongst other things) being invited by Bill Clinton to the opening of the US holocaust memorial museum?
Political correctness is for cowards, wimps and the media who are into self-censorship (particularly when their own state goes to war).
So war crime, yes, genocide no.
Instead of just repeating what is written on some blog or peddled by lying politicians, the trial transcripts are there and the court's judgment that redefine's 'genocide' to fit the events of Srebrenica, because as people like Madeliene Albright have said, the 'bar is set too high for genocide'. The ICTY significantly lowered it and that is one of the many reasons that it is an institutionally racist institution that is designed to apportion blame on the Serbs for everything that has happened in the Balkans whilst refusing to investigate those (outside the Balkans) who also drove and pushed for the war, and when it came flooded it with weapons directly an via third parties to keep it going until the 'right side' won.
Where would the Croats have been without all those ex-GDR tanks or all the help Gotovina is getting from the US for his trial to keep their complicity in war crimes out?
The reason that the ICTY is being shut down soon is that no western head of state would ever put themselves anywhere near such a corrupt institution, preferring the ICC which is based on entirely different principles.
It is good enough for the 'barbarians' in the Balkans, but not good enough for the 'sophisticated' west which has the deaths of close to a million people due to their actions since 1989. It's amazing what you can get away with when you have got nukes.
Without wishing to downplay what happened at Srebrenica, there are so many incidences of horrendous crimes on all sides in the Balkans. What dictates that one is genocide when others aren't?
"To deny that genocide took place in Srebrenica, is like denying the holocaust."
Terry,
One is not a denier if one calls Srebrenica a massacre instead of genocide. Proper use of terms and definitions is very important, although the area between them is gray and variable. I would like to remind you that Croatia is still denying the true genocide that was committed on Serbs and many other "undesirables" of the Nazis and their fascist allies. Serbs and many others were part of the Holocaust. So I think Serbs are in a reasonable position to use proper terms and judge their values and meanings.
The Bosnian Muslims and international community have been using the names of soldiers who died in the Srebrenica BEFORE the fall to increase their totals.
Soldiers who died fighting or went missing in 1993 are on the list of Srebrenica massacre victimes.
They do not have 8,000 bodies - they might have that many bones - as it was shown they will count parts, and even individual bones - MANY FOUND WELL OUTSIDE SREBRENICA IN SERB VILLAGES WHERE NASER ORIC'S 28th BRIGADE RAIDED - which are not identified as Muslims.
The intention behind the actions of Slobodan Milosevic and his henchmen Ratko Mladic and Radovan Karadzic was the complete wipe-out of non-Slavorthodox population from Bosnia and Kosovo.
Karadžić said that it is being said that a wide consensus on the resolution is important.
--
Mr Karadžić, haven't you seen the polls, Serbians do not support such a resolution. There is more support for a resolution condemning all crimes. Are we saying that Serbian victims are less important than Bosnian Muslims?
Without wishing to downplay what happened at Srebrenica, there are so many incidences of horrendous crimes on all sides in the Balkans. What dictates that one is genocide when others aren't?
We all know what happened in Srebrenica and we all know that awfull crimes were committed by Serbs, Muslims and Croats alike, during the Balkan wars of the 90's. To deny that genocide took place in Srebrenica, is like denying the holocaust.
The reason, I think, why the Serb government is reluctant to aknowledge that genocide was committed, by the forces that were commanded by Milosovic, Mladic and Karadzic, is because Serbia would have to pay damages to all the families, of those men, women and children, that were murdered. This is what they are trying to avoid.
Like so often, in life, it is simply a question of money.
What dictates that one crime is genocide when others aren't?
Genocide is a matter of law, not a question of rhetoric. Many crimes were committed in the Balkan wars of the 1990s, some of them quite horrendous. But until now only the crime committed at Srebrenica in July 1995 has been determined to be genocide, not just by the ICTY but also by the International Court of Justice - the World Court.
Anyone who really wants to know what qualified the crime at Srebrenica as genocide can read the World Court's decision, at
http://www.icj-cij.org/docket/files/91/13685.pdf
It would be dishonest and cowardly to call the crime at Srebrenica something other than genocide, which is what it was.
There is a reason why the media and the prosecution at the ICTY use the phrase 'men and boys', because they were NOT civilians, a legally recognized term. Most of them were also soldiers of the ArBiH etc. etc. Not even the prosecution has sought to challenge this.
So let's see, Srebrenica=Rwanda (~500k civilians)=Sudan (~100ks civilians). Oh, and according to the BBC and British government, the Turks DIDN"'t commit genocide against the armenians, so whilst representatives from Bosnia are invited to their holocaust memorial day, armenians are not. Or maybe Tudjman who wrote that the murder of 6 million jewish civilians during the Holocaust is a massive over estimate (amongst other things) being invited by Bill Clinton to the opening of the US holocaust memorial museum?
Political correctness is for cowards, wimps and the media who are into self-censorship (particularly when their own state goes to war).
So war crime, yes, genocide no.
Instead of just repeating what is written on some blog or peddled by lying politicians, the trial transcripts are there and the court's judgment that redefine's 'genocide' to fit the events of Srebrenica, because as people like Madeliene Albright have said, the 'bar is set too high for genocide'. The ICTY significantly lowered it and that is one of the many reasons that it is an institutionally racist institution that is designed to apportion blame on the Serbs for everything that has happened in the Balkans whilst refusing to investigate those (outside the Balkans) who also drove and pushed for the war, and when it came flooded it with weapons directly an via third parties to keep it going until the 'right side' won.
Where would the Croats have been without all those ex-GDR tanks or all the help Gotovina is getting from the US for his trial to keep their complicity in war crimes out?
The reason that the ICTY is being shut down soon is that no western head of state would ever put themselves anywhere near such a corrupt institution, preferring the ICC which is based on entirely different principles.
It is good enough for the 'barbarians' in the Balkans, but not good enough for the 'sophisticated' west which has the deaths of close to a million people due to their actions since 1989. It's amazing what you can get away with when you have got nukes.
"To deny that genocide took place in Srebrenica, is like denying the holocaust."
Terry,
One is not a denier if one calls Srebrenica a massacre instead of genocide. Proper use of terms and definitions is very important, although the area between them is gray and variable. I would like to remind you that Croatia is still denying the true genocide that was committed on Serbs and many other "undesirables" of the Nazis and their fascist allies. Serbs and many others were part of the Holocaust. So I think Serbs are in a reasonable position to use proper terms and judge their values and meanings.
The intention behind the actions of Slobodan Milosevic and his henchmen Ratko Mladic and Radovan Karadzic was the complete wipe-out of non-Slavorthodox population from Bosnia and Kosovo.
The Bosnian Muslims and international community have been using the names of soldiers who died in the Srebrenica BEFORE the fall to increase their totals.
Soldiers who died fighting or went missing in 1993 are on the list of Srebrenica massacre victimes.
They do not have 8,000 bodies - they might have that many bones - as it was shown they will count parts, and even individual bones - MANY FOUND WELL OUTSIDE SREBRENICA IN SERB VILLAGES WHERE NASER ORIC'S 28th BRIGADE RAIDED - which are not identified as Muslims.
IMAGE SOURCE
11 Komentari
Sortiraj po: