The Russian MFA today in Moscow criticized the <a href="http://www.b92.net/eng/news/politics-article.php?yyyy=2010&mm=01&dd=25&nav_id=64747" class="text-link" target= "_blank">strategy for Kosovo’s north</a>, appraising that it falls outside the jurisdiction of the EU representative.
Russia showed how influencial it is in the 90's Peggy in many international arenas, including Kosovo. It's troops left Bosnia to occupy the Pristina airport and when the U.S. told it to leave, they obeyed. And yes Romania is now asking for the missle shield and so is Poland, what's Russia going to do. I will tell you...nothing, they do not have the means nor the will to do.
(Jack, 5 February 2010 04:07)
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Jack, don't live in the past.
Russia and China are both so much stronger now.
When Russia rolled their tanks into Georgia, what did the US do?
Whinge a little and nothing else. Why is that?
Is that because Russia is so weak or they have a different president?
"Peggy what you say is true--anything that comes up for a vote Russia has the power of a veto. However if they are unhappy with events in Kosovo being performed by those selected to make decisions then they must get an agreement in the UNSC to change course. The veto power flows both ways.
Does Russia have a say, yes.
Can Russia change the course of events in Kosovo, not without UNSC agreement.
(pss, 5 February 2010 14:18) "
well the Russian veto can do one thing -- keep "kosova" out of the UN forever.
I am under the impression that they have a very good say as they are one of the permanent members of the UNSC and hold a veto. That gives them plenty of say without going in, for now.
(Peggy, 4 February 2010 21:25)
Peggy what you say is true--anything that comes up for a vote Russia has the power of a veto. However if they are unhappy with events in Kosovo being performed by those selected to make decisions then they must get an agreement in the UNSC to change course. The veto power flows both ways.
Does Russia have a say, yes.
Can Russia change the course of events in Kosovo, not without UNSC agreement.
Jack wrote:
"even though I do not agree with their policy for Kosovo, they push forward and are not sitting at the wheel of their .."
Jack my friend...It's got nothing to do with initiative, and EVERYTHING to do with what's in the budget for this year..
Fortunately for the US defence department, the Balkans are cheap rent..
Otherwise, let's see how the future budgets hold out..It doesn't look pretty from here.
Russia showed how influencial it is in the 90's Peggy in many international arenas, including Kosovo. It's troops left Bosnia to occupy the Pristina airport and when the U.S. told it to leave, they obeyed. And yes Romania is now asking for the missle shield and so is Poland, what's Russia going to do. I will tell you...nothing, they do not have the means nor the will to do.
(Ron, 4 February 2010 18:43)
Actually it is you who is wrong here. Mandates are in place and actions take place. It is up to the UNSC to decide if actions taken are against the mandate of UNSC 1244. It was never meant that the UNSC was going to micromanage every development in Kosovo. The UNSC is not the working government framework of Kosovo.
It is up to the UNSC to decide if actions are against the mandate and to take action appropriately.
So all Russia has to do is get the US and UK and France to agree their initiatives are in violation of 1244.
. Russia has lost this game and should just shut up and allow Serbia to do what it must. Russia cowboy up or get off the horse !
(Jack, 4 February 2010 18:25)
I am a bit confused as to what you mean by this. Do you mean to say that Russia should go in and put their base in Kosovo just like the US did?
What should they do in order to have a say in what goes on there?
I am under the impression that they have a very good say as they are one of the permanent members of the UNSC and hold a veto. That gives them plenty of say without going in, for now.
My point exactly, Serbia and Russia are going to put pressure on anyone trying to stabilize Balkans. Conflict or a threat of it is beneficial to both. For Russia it means they count, for Serbia it means they also count. Fact is they don't!
(Bekim, 4 February 2010 18:22)
How will forcing 95% of a population to do something they don't want result in stabilizing the north? IT WON'T. Your argument is completely illogical - but one should expect that from someone that advocates for the destruction of ancient churches...
One thing wanted to remind that Serbia's understanding of UNSC is Russia's veto to anything that goes against Serbia's interest.
Russia should be the very last country to talk about Kosova since its "recognition" of South Ossetia and Abkhazia. The Russian diplomat is trying to test the intellegence of the Western countries.
Last thing what is really Serbia trying to achieve is purely and simply split Kosova/o territory as a sign of Serbia's "compromise" that "would be acceptable to everyone".
"My point exactly, Serbia and Russia are going to put pressure on anyone trying to stabilize Balkans."
Bekim
You think Serbs should sit and watch how their people get killed, harrased and how their land is being stolen while you demand stability? Think again! You can't have stability by taking and not giving. Kosovo is Serbia! As long as you and other albanians don't realize this there will never be stability!
The Russian diplomat described such approach as carrying great potential for conflict.
My point exactly, Serbia and Russia are going to put pressure on anyone trying to stabilize Balkans. Conflict or a threat of it is beneficial to both. For Russia it means they count, for Serbia it means they also count. Fact is they don't!
As much as I would like to respect what Russia has to say about Kosovo it's difficult for me to take them seriously. The United States deserves the respect , even though I do not agree with their policy for Kosovo, they push forward and are not sitting at the wheel of their ambitious goal of European / Americans hemogeny. Russia has lost this game and should just shut up and allow Serbia to do what it must. Russia cowboy up or get off the horse !
My point exactly, Serbia and Russia are going to put pressure on anyone trying to stabilize Balkans. Conflict or a threat of it is beneficial to both. For Russia it means they count, for Serbia it means they also count. Fact is they don't!
(Bekim, 4 February 2010 18:22)
How will forcing 95% of a population to do something they don't want result in stabilizing the north? IT WON'T. Your argument is completely illogical - but one should expect that from someone that advocates for the destruction of ancient churches...
The Russian diplomat described such approach as carrying great potential for conflict.
My point exactly, Serbia and Russia are going to put pressure on anyone trying to stabilize Balkans. Conflict or a threat of it is beneficial to both. For Russia it means they count, for Serbia it means they also count. Fact is they don't!
"My point exactly, Serbia and Russia are going to put pressure on anyone trying to stabilize Balkans."
Bekim
You think Serbs should sit and watch how their people get killed, harrased and how their land is being stolen while you demand stability? Think again! You can't have stability by taking and not giving. Kosovo is Serbia! As long as you and other albanians don't realize this there will never be stability!
One thing wanted to remind that Serbia's understanding of UNSC is Russia's veto to anything that goes against Serbia's interest.
Russia should be the very last country to talk about Kosova since its "recognition" of South Ossetia and Abkhazia. The Russian diplomat is trying to test the intellegence of the Western countries.
Last thing what is really Serbia trying to achieve is purely and simply split Kosova/o territory as a sign of Serbia's "compromise" that "would be acceptable to everyone".
. Russia has lost this game and should just shut up and allow Serbia to do what it must. Russia cowboy up or get off the horse !
(Jack, 4 February 2010 18:25)
I am a bit confused as to what you mean by this. Do you mean to say that Russia should go in and put their base in Kosovo just like the US did?
What should they do in order to have a say in what goes on there?
I am under the impression that they have a very good say as they are one of the permanent members of the UNSC and hold a veto. That gives them plenty of say without going in, for now.
As much as I would like to respect what Russia has to say about Kosovo it's difficult for me to take them seriously. The United States deserves the respect , even though I do not agree with their policy for Kosovo, they push forward and are not sitting at the wheel of their ambitious goal of European / Americans hemogeny. Russia has lost this game and should just shut up and allow Serbia to do what it must. Russia cowboy up or get off the horse !
"Peggy what you say is true--anything that comes up for a vote Russia has the power of a veto. However if they are unhappy with events in Kosovo being performed by those selected to make decisions then they must get an agreement in the UNSC to change course. The veto power flows both ways.
Does Russia have a say, yes.
Can Russia change the course of events in Kosovo, not without UNSC agreement.
(pss, 5 February 2010 14:18) "
well the Russian veto can do one thing -- keep "kosova" out of the UN forever.
Russia showed how influencial it is in the 90's Peggy in many international arenas, including Kosovo. It's troops left Bosnia to occupy the Pristina airport and when the U.S. told it to leave, they obeyed. And yes Romania is now asking for the missle shield and so is Poland, what's Russia going to do. I will tell you...nothing, they do not have the means nor the will to do.
(Jack, 5 February 2010 04:07)
====================
Jack, don't live in the past.
Russia and China are both so much stronger now.
When Russia rolled their tanks into Georgia, what did the US do?
Whinge a little and nothing else. Why is that?
Is that because Russia is so weak or they have a different president?
Russia showed how influencial it is in the 90's Peggy in many international arenas, including Kosovo. It's troops left Bosnia to occupy the Pristina airport and when the U.S. told it to leave, they obeyed. And yes Romania is now asking for the missle shield and so is Poland, what's Russia going to do. I will tell you...nothing, they do not have the means nor the will to do.
Jack wrote:
"even though I do not agree with their policy for Kosovo, they push forward and are not sitting at the wheel of their .."
Jack my friend...It's got nothing to do with initiative, and EVERYTHING to do with what's in the budget for this year..
Fortunately for the US defence department, the Balkans are cheap rent..
Otherwise, let's see how the future budgets hold out..It doesn't look pretty from here.
(Ron, 4 February 2010 18:43)
Actually it is you who is wrong here. Mandates are in place and actions take place. It is up to the UNSC to decide if actions taken are against the mandate of UNSC 1244. It was never meant that the UNSC was going to micromanage every development in Kosovo. The UNSC is not the working government framework of Kosovo.
It is up to the UNSC to decide if actions are against the mandate and to take action appropriately.
So all Russia has to do is get the US and UK and France to agree their initiatives are in violation of 1244.
I am under the impression that they have a very good say as they are one of the permanent members of the UNSC and hold a veto. That gives them plenty of say without going in, for now.
(Peggy, 4 February 2010 21:25)
Peggy what you say is true--anything that comes up for a vote Russia has the power of a veto. However if they are unhappy with events in Kosovo being performed by those selected to make decisions then they must get an agreement in the UNSC to change course. The veto power flows both ways.
Does Russia have a say, yes.
Can Russia change the course of events in Kosovo, not without UNSC agreement.
As much as I would like to respect what Russia has to say about Kosovo it's difficult for me to take them seriously. The United States deserves the respect , even though I do not agree with their policy for Kosovo, they push forward and are not sitting at the wheel of their ambitious goal of European / Americans hemogeny. Russia has lost this game and should just shut up and allow Serbia to do what it must. Russia cowboy up or get off the horse !
The Russian diplomat described such approach as carrying great potential for conflict.
My point exactly, Serbia and Russia are going to put pressure on anyone trying to stabilize Balkans. Conflict or a threat of it is beneficial to both. For Russia it means they count, for Serbia it means they also count. Fact is they don't!
One thing wanted to remind that Serbia's understanding of UNSC is Russia's veto to anything that goes against Serbia's interest.
Russia should be the very last country to talk about Kosova since its "recognition" of South Ossetia and Abkhazia. The Russian diplomat is trying to test the intellegence of the Western countries.
Last thing what is really Serbia trying to achieve is purely and simply split Kosova/o territory as a sign of Serbia's "compromise" that "would be acceptable to everyone".
. Russia has lost this game and should just shut up and allow Serbia to do what it must. Russia cowboy up or get off the horse !
(Jack, 4 February 2010 18:25)
I am a bit confused as to what you mean by this. Do you mean to say that Russia should go in and put their base in Kosovo just like the US did?
What should they do in order to have a say in what goes on there?
I am under the impression that they have a very good say as they are one of the permanent members of the UNSC and hold a veto. That gives them plenty of say without going in, for now.
"My point exactly, Serbia and Russia are going to put pressure on anyone trying to stabilize Balkans."
Bekim
You think Serbs should sit and watch how their people get killed, harrased and how their land is being stolen while you demand stability? Think again! You can't have stability by taking and not giving. Kosovo is Serbia! As long as you and other albanians don't realize this there will never be stability!
My point exactly, Serbia and Russia are going to put pressure on anyone trying to stabilize Balkans. Conflict or a threat of it is beneficial to both. For Russia it means they count, for Serbia it means they also count. Fact is they don't!
(Bekim, 4 February 2010 18:22)
How will forcing 95% of a population to do something they don't want result in stabilizing the north? IT WON'T. Your argument is completely illogical - but one should expect that from someone that advocates for the destruction of ancient churches...
I am under the impression that they have a very good say as they are one of the permanent members of the UNSC and hold a veto. That gives them plenty of say without going in, for now.
(Peggy, 4 February 2010 21:25)
Peggy what you say is true--anything that comes up for a vote Russia has the power of a veto. However if they are unhappy with events in Kosovo being performed by those selected to make decisions then they must get an agreement in the UNSC to change course. The veto power flows both ways.
Does Russia have a say, yes.
Can Russia change the course of events in Kosovo, not without UNSC agreement.
Russia showed how influencial it is in the 90's Peggy in many international arenas, including Kosovo. It's troops left Bosnia to occupy the Pristina airport and when the U.S. told it to leave, they obeyed. And yes Romania is now asking for the missle shield and so is Poland, what's Russia going to do. I will tell you...nothing, they do not have the means nor the will to do.
Jack wrote:
"even though I do not agree with their policy for Kosovo, they push forward and are not sitting at the wheel of their .."
Jack my friend...It's got nothing to do with initiative, and EVERYTHING to do with what's in the budget for this year..
Fortunately for the US defence department, the Balkans are cheap rent..
Otherwise, let's see how the future budgets hold out..It doesn't look pretty from here.
"Peggy what you say is true--anything that comes up for a vote Russia has the power of a veto. However if they are unhappy with events in Kosovo being performed by those selected to make decisions then they must get an agreement in the UNSC to change course. The veto power flows both ways.
Does Russia have a say, yes.
Can Russia change the course of events in Kosovo, not without UNSC agreement.
(pss, 5 February 2010 14:18) "
well the Russian veto can do one thing -- keep "kosova" out of the UN forever.
Russia showed how influencial it is in the 90's Peggy in many international arenas, including Kosovo. It's troops left Bosnia to occupy the Pristina airport and when the U.S. told it to leave, they obeyed. And yes Romania is now asking for the missle shield and so is Poland, what's Russia going to do. I will tell you...nothing, they do not have the means nor the will to do.
(Jack, 5 February 2010 04:07)
====================
Jack, don't live in the past.
Russia and China are both so much stronger now.
When Russia rolled their tanks into Georgia, what did the US do?
Whinge a little and nothing else. Why is that?
Is that because Russia is so weak or they have a different president?
(Ron, 4 February 2010 18:43)
Actually it is you who is wrong here. Mandates are in place and actions take place. It is up to the UNSC to decide if actions taken are against the mandate of UNSC 1244. It was never meant that the UNSC was going to micromanage every development in Kosovo. The UNSC is not the working government framework of Kosovo.
It is up to the UNSC to decide if actions are against the mandate and to take action appropriately.
So all Russia has to do is get the US and UK and France to agree their initiatives are in violation of 1244.
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