KSF to guard Serbian monuments?

'The Gazimestan monument was vandalised in the early hours of yesterday morning. The KPS said there are no suspects.' Just a guess at a future headline.

I do not see this as great news because of the fact that holy places need to be guarded at all! What does that say about the general population in Kosovo?

According to Annex 2 point 6 Resolution 1244 - for cover serbian national monuments should back Serbian security forces!!

Great news.

slowly slowly we are getting there
(Berat, 4 February 2010 12:39)
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Slowly getting where? Destroying the remaining Serbian monasteries and churches?

Great news.

slowly slowly we are getting there

Kind regards

Berat

so you get the wolf to guard the flock of sheep ......

No, see, here's the problem: Albanians have had a record of destroying Serbian monuments in the past. Unless the KSF are made up of Serbs, this is a bad thing.

Gjergj Fishta,

Way to fail to address the fact I made regarding the necessity to have these sites guarded against Albanians...

Trokia melb,

Comparing one or two major religious buildings is not the equivalent of haveing to protect things in Kosovo. Gazimestan should not have to be protected, nor should these monasteries. they are not protected in Serbia, Montenegro, or even north of the Ibar. Let's not kid oursleves here and pretend that Kosovo is just like any other place.

I really have a suggestion for Gazimestan, I hope in the near future Kosovo Government to change the name from Gazimestan to The Tomb of the Unknown Soldier,,,,

Why do these monuments need protection in a "democratic and prosperous" Kosovo?
This is just proof that Kosovo today is anything but democratic and free!

What does that say about the general population in Kosovo?
(Jason, 4 February 2010 13:16)


It must be frustrating for you to work with the people you don’t like, for the people you seem to hate (please do not try to deny this).
But on the other side Jason, apart from spending your days writing comments what have you done to help Serbs of Kosovo?
I say that taking in consideration that you seem to have free time in abundance to honour us with your input in every article about Kosovo.
Jason, you want to be really useful!!!!….. well, get of the chair then.

Time to send in the Zandarmerija! No more albanian terror!

I do not see this as great news because of the fact that holy places need to be guarded at all! What does that say about the general population in Kosovo?
(Jason, 4 February 2010 13:16)

This coming from a person who is getting paid in Kosova to protect the Albanian population from the Serb threat. O tempora o mores.
(Zoti, 4 February 2010 16:25)

Wrong. We, the international community, have been tasked with protecting non-Albanians FROM Albanians for quite some time. Sadly, as evidenced after the war and during March, 2004, we have failed miserably.

Jason,
It says a lot about the people who live there, their level of intolerance, and their lack of values. It also says more about Germany/UK/US, who are supporting this fake, illegal and immoral 'state'.

I doubt this will happen before the ICJ ruling. More propaganda. Just like when they said Russia will recognize them and the Russian FM asked what are they smoking.

"I do not see this as great news because of the fact that holy places need to be guarded at all!
(Jason"
NOw that you can fly to europe with the schengen, go visit the Vatican, Notre Dame, Cordobana. Pay atention to the great security that comes with it. Although the mentioned places did not harbour criminals and guns during recent conflicts.

Says a lot about you. ;)

Great work KPS. Trust is a must.

"Don't worry Serbian fellows!

The monastery's will remain there save under Kosovar guard as they did for century's!

The monasteries belong to everybody in Kosovo regardless their faith.

Kosovo belongs to all its citizens regardless origin.

Kosovo for all.

Peace
(Karuc, 4 February 2010 19:23)"

ALL Serbs do not want ONE SINGLE Albanian "guard" their cultural and historical buildings, period. They cannot be trusted, they do not care about Serbian culture and history. The Serbian herritage does not belong to Albanians and they would love to start using it for their own benefit due to lack of herritage. Serbian Orthodox monasteries do not belong to Muslim Albanians or Catholic Albanians or whatever their origins. Kosovo has a Serbian soul and heart and we will be back: better, stronger, tougher, meaner, and more determined than ever.

We have the right under 1244 to protect our own churches.

Let`s hope this is not true-they managed to burn and destroy so much with KFOR around,what makes them think that won`t happen again with KSF which i`m sure is 90% made of the same group that did burning and pogrom.
Tadic should protest this at UN right away-before it`s too late.

Don't worry Serbian fellows!

The monastery's will remain there save under Kosovar guard as they did for century's!

The monasteries belong to everybody in Kosovo regardless their faith.

Kosovo belongs to all its citizens regardless origin.


Kosovo for all.

Peace
(Karuc, 4 February 2010 19:23)

The monastery's will remain there save under Kosovar guard same like Patriarchate of Peć in 1981?? Or mayby same like Bogorodica Ljeviška in Prizren in 2004?? Or like Manastir Svetih Arhangela in 1999 and 2004?? Or like Manastir Devič in 1999 and 2004??

Same peoples who burned these monasteries should today "cover" them?? No - thanks.

The Kosovo Security Force(KSF)is to guard Serbian monuments? Back in June 2009, municipal authorities in the Kosovo town of Gnjilane demolished a memorial dedicated to the knights of Tsar Lazar. The memorial was built along with a statute of Tsar Lazar Hrebeljanovic on the 600th anniversary of the Battle of Kosovo. In the Battle of Kosovo, the Ottoman Empire forces prevailed against the Serbian forces in 1389 on St.Vitus's Day, June 15th. The statute was destroyed in 1999 after the arrival of NATO troops in the province. If the Muslim controlled government of Kosovo is really concerned about the KSF to protect Serbian monuments, then Kosovo should allow the rebuilding of the memorial of the knights of Tsar Lazar and the rebuilding of the statute of Tsar Lazar to show good faith; build confidence among the Serbs.

KFOR will guard the monuments until they see a mob coming towards them. At that time they will make an orderly retreat. I am sure that their rules of engagement will are not public information so we will have to wait and see.

This is the joke of the century,but who is laughing?

Gazimestan monument vandalized today in the morning
Miles.

KSF haven't started to guard it yet. But let me ask you: Will you be more dissatisfied and disappointed than happy if the monuments are not vandalized when KSF take over guarding them?

Get it together, monuments are in Kosovo where they will remain, thus, it is Kosovo's responsibility to take care of them. I'm sure you claim how is this possible after all the churches were destroyed by Kosovars. Buddy, it happened all over Former Yugo Republic, even in central Belgrade when that mosque was burned.

We have the right under 1244 to protect our own churches.
(Matthew, 4 February 2010 18:02)

And we have the right under Kosovo constitution to tell you…. never again.

I do not see this as great news because of the fact that holy places need to be guarded at all! What does that say about the general population in Kosovo?
(Jason, 4 February 2010 13:16)

This coming from a person who is getting paid in Kosova to protect the Albanian population from the Serb threat. O tempora o mores.

Do they really need protection?

Yes , Kosovo Police need to protect the Serbs monasters.
You know why ,becasue the serbs will destroy them during night and during day will atack albanians for church destroying.
So this is a reason why Kosovo Police should guard all serbian churchs in Kosovo teritory.

Do they really need protection?
(Pejoni, 4 February 2010 13:28)

Where were you in 2004?

Wrong. We, the international community, have been tasked with protecting non-Albanians FROM Albanians for quite some time. Sadly, as evidenced after the war and during March, 2004, we have failed miserably.
(Jason, 4 February 2010 17:28)

Jason, you can argue semantics with me all you want but the primary purpose of the international force in Kosova, KFOR and EULEX, is to prevent a repeat of 1999 when the Serbs tried to expel the Albanians from Kosova. protecting the Serbs from the Albanains is a collateral issue.

Although judging from what you spew on this page I'd watch my back if you were in charge of protecting me, my family or my property.

No wonder Kurti is vehemently against the likes of you.

We have the right under 1244 to protect our own churches.
(Matthew, 4 February 2010 18:02)

And we have the right under Kosovo constitution to tell you…. never again.
(Gjergj Fishta, 4 February 2010 18:39)
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Except that most of the world does not recognise you or your constitution.

You don't have a legitimate constitution as provinces don't have that. Only countries have that.
You had someone draw up a set of rules which most of the world does not accept. How can you call that a constitution?
Serbia has a constitution, a legitimate one, and they will ultimately decide who looks after their monasteries.

Everyone knows that the Serbian church supported Millosevic's regime on all fronts during the Kosova war, and after Millosevics time, the Serbian Church has the same attitude about Kosova, so my dear neighbors, do not be surprised that it needed protection today. I thought the church was the house of God regardless of religion

God bless Kosova

Protection of holy places by the police, is it a sort of new development in a "democratic" process or the result of another US artificial created alien that went balistic !
Centuries away of any common sense!

Why do these monuments need protection in a "democratic and prosperous" Kosovo?
This is just proof that Kosovo today is anything but democratic and free!
(Mikael C, 4 February 2010 15:35)

Yes Serbia has a record of Democracy and stability in the region.

If no one protects them Serbs would start crying oh our monuments look in Center of prishtine thee is a church no on even cares they can destroy it no solders there.

In Djakovica there is a church you can burn it when you like no one cares.

It is true
there was destruction in 2004 but it was done to say we are here and if we dont get resolution soon we are not going to wait. not the best face forward but hey people got tiered.

I think Kosovo should let North go and move on without serbs even if it was all gold underneath just let it go and move on.

Serbs will save their face and no more problem. Lets see what will happen in 5 years

Question to the Albanian commentators..

A) WHY are the KSF there to protect the monuments/churches?

B) From WHOM are the KSF protecting the monuments FROM?

Once this is answered honestly, you can clearly see where the problem lies.

On another note, this is simply a "Make Work" project, and an example of Kosovo's economic stimulus package, of course at the American tax payer's expense this time, and not Serbia's thank goodness.

Well done State Department. Well done!!!

And we have the right under Kosovo constitution to tell you…. never again.
(Gjergj Fishta, 4 February 2010 18:39)

Kosovo constitution? I wouldn't even wipe my back side with that rubbish.

Reminds me of Monopoly money. If I had a stack of Monopoly money I couldn't go down to my local store and buy anything with it. Same thing with this so called "constitution", it's just a fictional piece of paper with worthless words on it.

Let's see who's words have more pull, a UN Security Council resolution or the "Kosovo constitution". Hmm, not a very tough decision is it?

Serbian sites protected by albanian police? I doubt it- Serbian religious sites held hostage more like. Looks like NATO can't wait to get out of there and the americans will be hiding in Bondsteel.

"that wouldn't be good if this was the case dear Lowe and all others that are concerned of this decision,these monuments have been there for quite long time now and never been damaged or atacked by anybody before 2004, even after Serbs did to our mosques in 1999, it was no better time to do it if we wanted to destroy them, but we didn't, what hapened in 2004 was a fruit of frustation among people in Kosova/o,like we Albanians say " the milk can't hold any more water and still be milk", as a reference to that I would sugest to read the latest speech from the new Serbian patriarche a week ago.
(arti, 4 February 2010 22:02)"

why don't you ask the K-Serbs what they think? I will bet you my last euro that most of them will want these monuments to be guarded by NON-Albanians!

Gazimestan is the monument honoring the Serb soldiers killed in the Battle of Kosovo in 1389.


I wonder what you're reffering to with this very sentence!.
How many Turks have died and they don't have a monument?.
In 1448 approximately 2/3 of Hungarian troops died at the same place and they don't have a monument(over 16.000 dead). It appears to me that Hungary and Turkey can claim Kosova as their land because the battle took place in Kosova.

According to a lot of Serbs, in 1389 it was only Serbs who died there, there was no single Albanian or Bulgarian involved in the battle, how stupid is that?. Thanks to European and World Historians for unfolding the truth.

One should read the article like this:
Where KFOR failed to protect the Serbian cultural and religious sites in 2004, now KSF has the opportunity to finish them off once and for all. The news regarding Kosovo and the protection of Serbs and minorities lately is not good. This article for example, or Peter Feith's plan, or the troop reduction of KFOR. Sounds to me like a "final solution" for Serbs and minorities is in the making. Don't be surprised that when there is another big event in the world, the "final solution" for Serbs and minorities in Kosovo will swing into action.

And that part reads "After withdrawal, an agreed number of Yugoslav and Serbian personnel will be permitted to return to perform the following functions: [...]
Maintaining a presence at Serb patrimonial sites"

Note the very important word ***AGREED*** (which, by the way, is not included in the resolution parts which discusse the status issue).

So you are right, Serbian forces should be back, but with an ***AGREED*** number. So we have to wait until that number is agreed upon.
(icj1, 5 February 2010 05:18)

So must be organized meeting with UNMIK for back of agreed number of serbian security personnel to Kosovo.

Kosovo has a Serbian soul and heart and we will be back: better, stronger, tougher, meaner, and more determined than ever.
(Milan, 4 February 2010 23:37)

Just pray there are still Serbs left in Kosova when we're done with you.

Serbs recognize and accept that during the Ottoman occupation groups of Serbs converted to Islam, either forced or voluntary. However, Islam is no part of general Serbian herritage and culture and Orthodox Serbs have no intention and interest to claim mosques or Catholic churches as their property. They also do not have to be guarded and the Islamic and Catholic communities in Serbia are free to practice their religions as long as possible extreme elements, either internal or external, do not jeopardize the stability of the state and the safety of all inhabitants.

Kosovo Security Forces should do the job to protect the monuments without politicizing as this force is a politicaly neutral and it is a multietnthic force.

so you get the wolf to guard the flock of sheep ......
(lowe, 4 February 2010 13:40)
that wouldn't be good if this was the case dear Lowe and all others that are concerned of this decision,these monuments have been there for quite long time now and never been damaged or atacked by anybody before 2004, even after Serbs did to our mosques in 1999, it was no better time to do it if we wanted to destroy them, but we didn't, what hapened in 2004 was a fruit of frustation among people in Kosova/o,like we Albanians say " the milk can't hold any more water and still be milk", as a reference to that I would sugest to read the latest speech from the new Serbian patriarche a week ago.

Why guard or even care about buildings that are being used to instigate war.

"Zero is also a number.
(kalimero, 5 February 2010 18:42)"

But it is not an AGREED number. Didn't you know that an agreement requires 2 sides to consent?

"I think its a good example to see how state takes carr for its own citizens(serbs or albanians).FSK is neutral organisem.
(rozafat, 6 February 2010 11:30) "

You mean like what Zoti had in mind? You guys should get your game together and stop contradicting one another -- it seems funny at first, but it gets really pathetic after a while.

According to Annex 2 point 6 Resolution 1244 - for cover serbian national monuments should back Serbian security forces!!
(Milan, 4 February 2010 13:43)

And that part reads "After withdrawal, an agreed number of Yugoslav and Serbian personnel will be permitted to return to perform the following functions: [...]
Maintaining a presence at Serb patrimonial sites"

Note the very important word ***AGREED*** (which, by the way, is not included in the resolution parts which discusse the status issue).

So you are right, Serbian forces should be back, but with an ***AGREED*** number. So we have to wait until that number is agreed upon.

Just pray there are still Serbs left in Kosova when we're done with you.
(Zoti, 5 February 2010 15:54)

Yikes, what have you got planned?

Just a correction to you and myself since we both mentioned the word "Serbian forces"... Actually, the resolution says "Serbian personnel", so it may or may not be security forces.
(icj1, 7 February 2010 06:02)

"- marking clearing minefields
- maintaining presence at key border crossings"

Only security units can perform these functions. It is not work for civilians.

And that part reads "After withdrawal, an agreed number of Yugoslav and Serbian personnel will be permitted to return to perform the following functions: [...]
Maintaining a presence at Serb patrimonial sites"

Note the very important word ***AGREED*** (which, by the way, is not included in the resolution parts which discusse the status issue).

So you are right, Serbian forces should be back, but with an ***AGREED*** number. So we have to wait until that number is agreed upon.
(icj1, 5 February 2010 05:18)

Zero is also a number.

I think its a good example to see how state takes carr for its own citizens(serbs or albanians).FSK is neutral organisem.

Yes... I just wanted to make clear that there is no automatic return of X Serbian forces. The X needs to be agreed and so far it's not been agreed and there is no guarantee that it will be ever agreed.
(icj1, 6 February 2010 18:57)

icj1 - there is no words that serb security units "can be" or "should be" - but "WILL BE PERMITTED".

So - is very clear, that this is guarantee, that serbian security forces can come to Kosovo. Naturally - only in agreed number ;)

"Zero is also a number.
(kalimero, 5 February 2010 18:42)"

But it is not an AGREED number. Didn't you know that an agreement requires 2 sides to consent?
(lowe, 6 February 2010 05:43)

Kalimero can explain better this him/her self, but I think he/she meant that the result of the agreement (if and when is reached between the two sides as you say) can be zero, as it can be 1, 100 or 1000.

I think it's obvious to anybody that no agreement has been reached so far.

Serbia do not give up Kosovo. Nato not worth it.

And that part reads "After withdrawal, an agreed number of Yugoslav and Serbian personnel will be permitted to return to perform the following functions: [...]
Maintaining a presence at Serb patrimonial sites"

Note the very important word ***AGREED*** (which, by the way, is not included in the resolution parts which discusse the status issue).

So you are right, Serbian forces should be back, but with an ***AGREED*** number. So we have to wait until that number is agreed upon.
(icj1, 5 February 2010 05:18)

So must be organized meeting with UNMIK for back of agreed number of serbian security personnel to Kosovo.
(Milan, 5 February 2010 14:41)

Yes... I just wanted to make clear that there is no automatic return of X Serbian forces. The X needs to be agreed and so far it's not been agreed and there is no guarantee that it will be ever agreed.

You mean like what Zoti had in mind? You guys should get your game together and stop contradicting one another -- it seems funny at first, but it gets really pathetic after a while.
(lowe, 6 February 2010 15:52)

First of all my comment was a reply to a direct existential threat to Kosovar Albanians.
Second, there's such a thing as plurality of opinion amongst Albanians so not all do think the same.

icj1 - there is no words that serb security units "can be" or "should be" - but "WILL BE PERMITTED".

So - is very clear, that this is guarantee, that serbian security forces can come to Kosovo. Naturally - only in agreed number ;)
(Milan, 6 February 2010 22:59)

Just a correction to you and myself since we both mentioned the word "Serbian forces"... Actually, the resolution says "Serbian personnel", so it may or may not be security forces.

Only security units can perform these functions. It is not work for civilians.
(Milan, 7 February 2010 17:17)

I don't think the word "only" is justified... Assume for example that the EU sends some bureaucrats for presence at the Serbia's border posts to monitor Serbia's border checks to make sure they are in accordance with Shengen standards. They can be civil, police or military personel.

icj - "marking clearing minefields" - it's work for civilians or for security units??

icj - "marking clearing minefields" - it's work for civilians or for security units??
(Milan, 9 February 2010 12:58)

Either or in collaboration. For example Serbian civial personell can work with KFOR personel to clear up the minefields...

UNDP for example has projects where it's staff helps local staff to clear minefields. I don't think UNDP is a military organization.

Great news.

slowly slowly we are getting there

Kind regards

Berat

Do they really need protection?

What does that say about the general population in Kosovo?
(Jason, 4 February 2010 13:16)


It must be frustrating for you to work with the people you don’t like, for the people you seem to hate (please do not try to deny this).
But on the other side Jason, apart from spending your days writing comments what have you done to help Serbs of Kosovo?
I say that taking in consideration that you seem to have free time in abundance to honour us with your input in every article about Kosovo.
Jason, you want to be really useful!!!!….. well, get of the chair then.

I do not see this as great news because of the fact that holy places need to be guarded at all! What does that say about the general population in Kosovo?
(Jason, 4 February 2010 13:16)

This coming from a person who is getting paid in Kosova to protect the Albanian population from the Serb threat. O tempora o mores.

"I do not see this as great news because of the fact that holy places need to be guarded at all!
(Jason"
NOw that you can fly to europe with the schengen, go visit the Vatican, Notre Dame, Cordobana. Pay atention to the great security that comes with it. Although the mentioned places did not harbour criminals and guns during recent conflicts.

Says a lot about you. ;)

Great work KPS. Trust is a must.

Why do these monuments need protection in a "democratic and prosperous" Kosovo?
This is just proof that Kosovo today is anything but democratic and free!
(Mikael C, 4 February 2010 15:35)

Yes Serbia has a record of Democracy and stability in the region.

If no one protects them Serbs would start crying oh our monuments look in Center of prishtine thee is a church no on even cares they can destroy it no solders there.

In Djakovica there is a church you can burn it when you like no one cares.

It is true
there was destruction in 2004 but it was done to say we are here and if we dont get resolution soon we are not going to wait. not the best face forward but hey people got tiered.

I think Kosovo should let North go and move on without serbs even if it was all gold underneath just let it go and move on.

Serbs will save their face and no more problem. Lets see what will happen in 5 years

I do not see this as great news because of the fact that holy places need to be guarded at all! What does that say about the general population in Kosovo?

Yes , Kosovo Police need to protect the Serbs monasters.
You know why ,becasue the serbs will destroy them during night and during day will atack albanians for church destroying.
So this is a reason why Kosovo Police should guard all serbian churchs in Kosovo teritory.

We have the right under 1244 to protect our own churches.
(Matthew, 4 February 2010 18:02)

And we have the right under Kosovo constitution to tell you…. never again.

Gjergj Fishta,

Way to fail to address the fact I made regarding the necessity to have these sites guarded against Albanians...

Trokia melb,

Comparing one or two major religious buildings is not the equivalent of haveing to protect things in Kosovo. Gazimestan should not have to be protected, nor should these monasteries. they are not protected in Serbia, Montenegro, or even north of the Ibar. Let's not kid oursleves here and pretend that Kosovo is just like any other place.

Gazimestan monument vandalized today in the morning
Miles.

KSF haven't started to guard it yet. But let me ask you: Will you be more dissatisfied and disappointed than happy if the monuments are not vandalized when KSF take over guarding them?

Get it together, monuments are in Kosovo where they will remain, thus, it is Kosovo's responsibility to take care of them. I'm sure you claim how is this possible after all the churches were destroyed by Kosovars. Buddy, it happened all over Former Yugo Republic, even in central Belgrade when that mosque was burned.

'The Gazimestan monument was vandalised in the early hours of yesterday morning. The KPS said there are no suspects.' Just a guess at a future headline.

No, see, here's the problem: Albanians have had a record of destroying Serbian monuments in the past. Unless the KSF are made up of Serbs, this is a bad thing.

Wrong. We, the international community, have been tasked with protecting non-Albanians FROM Albanians for quite some time. Sadly, as evidenced after the war and during March, 2004, we have failed miserably.
(Jason, 4 February 2010 17:28)

Jason, you can argue semantics with me all you want but the primary purpose of the international force in Kosova, KFOR and EULEX, is to prevent a repeat of 1999 when the Serbs tried to expel the Albanians from Kosova. protecting the Serbs from the Albanains is a collateral issue.

Although judging from what you spew on this page I'd watch my back if you were in charge of protecting me, my family or my property.

No wonder Kurti is vehemently against the likes of you.

so you get the wolf to guard the flock of sheep ......

According to Annex 2 point 6 Resolution 1244 - for cover serbian national monuments should back Serbian security forces!!

Great news.

slowly slowly we are getting there
(Berat, 4 February 2010 12:39)
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Slowly getting where? Destroying the remaining Serbian monasteries and churches?

Time to send in the Zandarmerija! No more albanian terror!

I doubt this will happen before the ICJ ruling. More propaganda. Just like when they said Russia will recognize them and the Russian FM asked what are they smoking.

I really have a suggestion for Gazimestan, I hope in the near future Kosovo Government to change the name from Gazimestan to The Tomb of the Unknown Soldier,,,,

Jason,
It says a lot about the people who live there, their level of intolerance, and their lack of values. It also says more about Germany/UK/US, who are supporting this fake, illegal and immoral 'state'.

We have the right under 1244 to protect our own churches.

"Don't worry Serbian fellows!

The monastery's will remain there save under Kosovar guard as they did for century's!

The monasteries belong to everybody in Kosovo regardless their faith.

Kosovo belongs to all its citizens regardless origin.

Kosovo for all.

Peace
(Karuc, 4 February 2010 19:23)"

ALL Serbs do not want ONE SINGLE Albanian "guard" their cultural and historical buildings, period. They cannot be trusted, they do not care about Serbian culture and history. The Serbian herritage does not belong to Albanians and they would love to start using it for their own benefit due to lack of herritage. Serbian Orthodox monasteries do not belong to Muslim Albanians or Catholic Albanians or whatever their origins. Kosovo has a Serbian soul and heart and we will be back: better, stronger, tougher, meaner, and more determined than ever.

so you get the wolf to guard the flock of sheep ......
(lowe, 4 February 2010 13:40)
that wouldn't be good if this was the case dear Lowe and all others that are concerned of this decision,these monuments have been there for quite long time now and never been damaged or atacked by anybody before 2004, even after Serbs did to our mosques in 1999, it was no better time to do it if we wanted to destroy them, but we didn't, what hapened in 2004 was a fruit of frustation among people in Kosova/o,like we Albanians say " the milk can't hold any more water and still be milk", as a reference to that I would sugest to read the latest speech from the new Serbian patriarche a week ago.

Gazimestan is the monument honoring the Serb soldiers killed in the Battle of Kosovo in 1389.


I wonder what you're reffering to with this very sentence!.
How many Turks have died and they don't have a monument?.
In 1448 approximately 2/3 of Hungarian troops died at the same place and they don't have a monument(over 16.000 dead). It appears to me that Hungary and Turkey can claim Kosova as their land because the battle took place in Kosova.

According to a lot of Serbs, in 1389 it was only Serbs who died there, there was no single Albanian or Bulgarian involved in the battle, how stupid is that?. Thanks to European and World Historians for unfolding the truth.

Kosovo has a Serbian soul and heart and we will be back: better, stronger, tougher, meaner, and more determined than ever.
(Milan, 4 February 2010 23:37)

Just pray there are still Serbs left in Kosova when we're done with you.

Why do these monuments need protection in a "democratic and prosperous" Kosovo?
This is just proof that Kosovo today is anything but democratic and free!

I do not see this as great news because of the fact that holy places need to be guarded at all! What does that say about the general population in Kosovo?
(Jason, 4 February 2010 13:16)

This coming from a person who is getting paid in Kosova to protect the Albanian population from the Serb threat. O tempora o mores.
(Zoti, 4 February 2010 16:25)

Wrong. We, the international community, have been tasked with protecting non-Albanians FROM Albanians for quite some time. Sadly, as evidenced after the war and during March, 2004, we have failed miserably.

According to Annex 2 point 6 Resolution 1244 - for cover serbian national monuments should back Serbian security forces!!
(Milan, 4 February 2010 13:43)

And that part reads "After withdrawal, an agreed number of Yugoslav and Serbian personnel will be permitted to return to perform the following functions: [...]
Maintaining a presence at Serb patrimonial sites"

Note the very important word ***AGREED*** (which, by the way, is not included in the resolution parts which discusse the status issue).

So you are right, Serbian forces should be back, but with an ***AGREED*** number. So we have to wait until that number is agreed upon.

Let`s hope this is not true-they managed to burn and destroy so much with KFOR around,what makes them think that won`t happen again with KSF which i`m sure is 90% made of the same group that did burning and pogrom.
Tadic should protest this at UN right away-before it`s too late.

Don't worry Serbian fellows!

The monastery's will remain there save under Kosovar guard as they did for century's!

The monasteries belong to everybody in Kosovo regardless their faith.

Kosovo belongs to all its citizens regardless origin.


Kosovo for all.

Peace
(Karuc, 4 February 2010 19:23)

The monastery's will remain there save under Kosovar guard same like Patriarchate of Peć in 1981?? Or mayby same like Bogorodica Ljeviška in Prizren in 2004?? Or like Manastir Svetih Arhangela in 1999 and 2004?? Or like Manastir Devič in 1999 and 2004??

Same peoples who burned these monasteries should today "cover" them?? No - thanks.

Everyone knows that the Serbian church supported Millosevic's regime on all fronts during the Kosova war, and after Millosevics time, the Serbian Church has the same attitude about Kosova, so my dear neighbors, do not be surprised that it needed protection today. I thought the church was the house of God regardless of religion

God bless Kosova

Why guard or even care about buildings that are being used to instigate war.

And we have the right under Kosovo constitution to tell you…. never again.
(Gjergj Fishta, 4 February 2010 18:39)

Kosovo constitution? I wouldn't even wipe my back side with that rubbish.

Reminds me of Monopoly money. If I had a stack of Monopoly money I couldn't go down to my local store and buy anything with it. Same thing with this so called "constitution", it's just a fictional piece of paper with worthless words on it.

Let's see who's words have more pull, a UN Security Council resolution or the "Kosovo constitution". Hmm, not a very tough decision is it?

Do they really need protection?
(Pejoni, 4 February 2010 13:28)

Where were you in 2004?

Question to the Albanian commentators..

A) WHY are the KSF there to protect the monuments/churches?

B) From WHOM are the KSF protecting the monuments FROM?

Once this is answered honestly, you can clearly see where the problem lies.

On another note, this is simply a "Make Work" project, and an example of Kosovo's economic stimulus package, of course at the American tax payer's expense this time, and not Serbia's thank goodness.

Well done State Department. Well done!!!

Kosovo Security Forces should do the job to protect the monuments without politicizing as this force is a politicaly neutral and it is a multietnthic force.

Protection of holy places by the police, is it a sort of new development in a "democratic" process or the result of another US artificial created alien that went balistic !
Centuries away of any common sense!

This is the joke of the century,but who is laughing?

The Kosovo Security Force(KSF)is to guard Serbian monuments? Back in June 2009, municipal authorities in the Kosovo town of Gnjilane demolished a memorial dedicated to the knights of Tsar Lazar. The memorial was built along with a statute of Tsar Lazar Hrebeljanovic on the 600th anniversary of the Battle of Kosovo. In the Battle of Kosovo, the Ottoman Empire forces prevailed against the Serbian forces in 1389 on St.Vitus's Day, June 15th. The statute was destroyed in 1999 after the arrival of NATO troops in the province. If the Muslim controlled government of Kosovo is really concerned about the KSF to protect Serbian monuments, then Kosovo should allow the rebuilding of the memorial of the knights of Tsar Lazar and the rebuilding of the statute of Tsar Lazar to show good faith; build confidence among the Serbs.

We have the right under 1244 to protect our own churches.
(Matthew, 4 February 2010 18:02)

And we have the right under Kosovo constitution to tell you…. never again.
(Gjergj Fishta, 4 February 2010 18:39)
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Except that most of the world does not recognise you or your constitution.

You don't have a legitimate constitution as provinces don't have that. Only countries have that.
You had someone draw up a set of rules which most of the world does not accept. How can you call that a constitution?
Serbia has a constitution, a legitimate one, and they will ultimately decide who looks after their monasteries.

Serbs recognize and accept that during the Ottoman occupation groups of Serbs converted to Islam, either forced or voluntary. However, Islam is no part of general Serbian herritage and culture and Orthodox Serbs have no intention and interest to claim mosques or Catholic churches as their property. They also do not have to be guarded and the Islamic and Catholic communities in Serbia are free to practice their religions as long as possible extreme elements, either internal or external, do not jeopardize the stability of the state and the safety of all inhabitants.

And that part reads "After withdrawal, an agreed number of Yugoslav and Serbian personnel will be permitted to return to perform the following functions: [...]
Maintaining a presence at Serb patrimonial sites"

Note the very important word ***AGREED*** (which, by the way, is not included in the resolution parts which discusse the status issue).

So you are right, Serbian forces should be back, but with an ***AGREED*** number. So we have to wait until that number is agreed upon.
(icj1, 5 February 2010 05:18)

Zero is also a number.

Serbian sites protected by albanian police? I doubt it- Serbian religious sites held hostage more like. Looks like NATO can't wait to get out of there and the americans will be hiding in Bondsteel.

And that part reads "After withdrawal, an agreed number of Yugoslav and Serbian personnel will be permitted to return to perform the following functions: [...]
Maintaining a presence at Serb patrimonial sites"

Note the very important word ***AGREED*** (which, by the way, is not included in the resolution parts which discusse the status issue).

So you are right, Serbian forces should be back, but with an ***AGREED*** number. So we have to wait until that number is agreed upon.
(icj1, 5 February 2010 05:18)

So must be organized meeting with UNMIK for back of agreed number of serbian security personnel to Kosovo.

"that wouldn't be good if this was the case dear Lowe and all others that are concerned of this decision,these monuments have been there for quite long time now and never been damaged or atacked by anybody before 2004, even after Serbs did to our mosques in 1999, it was no better time to do it if we wanted to destroy them, but we didn't, what hapened in 2004 was a fruit of frustation among people in Kosova/o,like we Albanians say " the milk can't hold any more water and still be milk", as a reference to that I would sugest to read the latest speech from the new Serbian patriarche a week ago.
(arti, 4 February 2010 22:02)"

why don't you ask the K-Serbs what they think? I will bet you my last euro that most of them will want these monuments to be guarded by NON-Albanians!

"I think its a good example to see how state takes carr for its own citizens(serbs or albanians).FSK is neutral organisem.
(rozafat, 6 February 2010 11:30) "

You mean like what Zoti had in mind? You guys should get your game together and stop contradicting one another -- it seems funny at first, but it gets really pathetic after a while.

KFOR will guard the monuments until they see a mob coming towards them. At that time they will make an orderly retreat. I am sure that their rules of engagement will are not public information so we will have to wait and see.

One should read the article like this:
Where KFOR failed to protect the Serbian cultural and religious sites in 2004, now KSF has the opportunity to finish them off once and for all. The news regarding Kosovo and the protection of Serbs and minorities lately is not good. This article for example, or Peter Feith's plan, or the troop reduction of KFOR. Sounds to me like a "final solution" for Serbs and minorities is in the making. Don't be surprised that when there is another big event in the world, the "final solution" for Serbs and minorities in Kosovo will swing into action.

"Zero is also a number.
(kalimero, 5 February 2010 18:42)"

But it is not an AGREED number. Didn't you know that an agreement requires 2 sides to consent?

I think its a good example to see how state takes carr for its own citizens(serbs or albanians).FSK is neutral organisem.

Just pray there are still Serbs left in Kosova when we're done with you.
(Zoti, 5 February 2010 15:54)

Yikes, what have you got planned?

And that part reads "After withdrawal, an agreed number of Yugoslav and Serbian personnel will be permitted to return to perform the following functions: [...]
Maintaining a presence at Serb patrimonial sites"

Note the very important word ***AGREED*** (which, by the way, is not included in the resolution parts which discusse the status issue).

So you are right, Serbian forces should be back, but with an ***AGREED*** number. So we have to wait until that number is agreed upon.
(icj1, 5 February 2010 05:18)

So must be organized meeting with UNMIK for back of agreed number of serbian security personnel to Kosovo.
(Milan, 5 February 2010 14:41)

Yes... I just wanted to make clear that there is no automatic return of X Serbian forces. The X needs to be agreed and so far it's not been agreed and there is no guarantee that it will be ever agreed.

"Zero is also a number.
(kalimero, 5 February 2010 18:42)"

But it is not an AGREED number. Didn't you know that an agreement requires 2 sides to consent?
(lowe, 6 February 2010 05:43)

Kalimero can explain better this him/her self, but I think he/she meant that the result of the agreement (if and when is reached between the two sides as you say) can be zero, as it can be 1, 100 or 1000.

I think it's obvious to anybody that no agreement has been reached so far.

You mean like what Zoti had in mind? You guys should get your game together and stop contradicting one another -- it seems funny at first, but it gets really pathetic after a while.
(lowe, 6 February 2010 15:52)

First of all my comment was a reply to a direct existential threat to Kosovar Albanians.
Second, there's such a thing as plurality of opinion amongst Albanians so not all do think the same.

icj1 - there is no words that serb security units "can be" or "should be" - but "WILL BE PERMITTED".

So - is very clear, that this is guarantee, that serbian security forces can come to Kosovo. Naturally - only in agreed number ;)
(Milan, 6 February 2010 22:59)

Just a correction to you and myself since we both mentioned the word "Serbian forces"... Actually, the resolution says "Serbian personnel", so it may or may not be security forces.

Serbia do not give up Kosovo. Nato not worth it.

Just a correction to you and myself since we both mentioned the word "Serbian forces"... Actually, the resolution says "Serbian personnel", so it may or may not be security forces.
(icj1, 7 February 2010 06:02)

"- marking clearing minefields
- maintaining presence at key border crossings"

Only security units can perform these functions. It is not work for civilians.

Yes... I just wanted to make clear that there is no automatic return of X Serbian forces. The X needs to be agreed and so far it's not been agreed and there is no guarantee that it will be ever agreed.
(icj1, 6 February 2010 18:57)

icj1 - there is no words that serb security units "can be" or "should be" - but "WILL BE PERMITTED".

So - is very clear, that this is guarantee, that serbian security forces can come to Kosovo. Naturally - only in agreed number ;)

Only security units can perform these functions. It is not work for civilians.
(Milan, 7 February 2010 17:17)

I don't think the word "only" is justified... Assume for example that the EU sends some bureaucrats for presence at the Serbia's border posts to monitor Serbia's border checks to make sure they are in accordance with Shengen standards. They can be civil, police or military personel.

icj - "marking clearing minefields" - it's work for civilians or for security units??

icj - "marking clearing minefields" - it's work for civilians or for security units??
(Milan, 9 February 2010 12:58)

Either or in collaboration. For example Serbian civial personell can work with KFOR personel to clear up the minefields...

UNDP for example has projects where it's staff helps local staff to clear minefields. I don't think UNDP is a military organization.