K. Albanian official against change of borders

Thanks Hyseni, keep it up!
Your rhetoric is Serbias best weapon!

PRN,

I believe majority of people come to this site to read serious stuff . Please stop with nonsense and wishful thanking.

"Our FM Hyseni is showing Serbs what Realpolitik is"

PRN, watching the current Kosovo administration is leaps and bounds away from 'realpolitik'.

It's more like watching a scary version of Bliar's New Labour, except the politicians actually speak before being given permission or lines from the stable of spinmeisters.

Substance will always rule over spin. Which is why I am becoming ever more hopeful that international law will prevail.

I get the distinct feeling that the heavyweights in the international administrations can see quite clearly that the Kosovo govt as it stands cannot run the province.

When this is all resolved through new status talks, I hope for all concerned that new leaders will emerge who are modern, realistic and professional.

actually wolverine jeremic is showing ALL albanian foreigners what realpolitics is when it comes to south-serbia.

skender whatever has a lot of words .... and nothing else ...

Our FM Hyseni is showing Serbs what Realpolitik is. Congratulations to our FM.

He left Tadic and Jeremic querelling not being able to answer him in last UN meeting in January.

Times of lies and propagandas is over. Serbs are realising that non-recognition of Kosovo is leaving them isolated everywhere. I am wondering whether they will get out WB and IMF meeting when Kosovo who is accepted as a Republic of Kosovo (a fully fledged country) will take a seat and speak on behalf of the developments in Kosovo and region?

Serbia is brought into her knees...and with this mentality the worse has yet to come.
(PRN, 4 February 2010 11:06)

PRN - Your interpretation is very wrong. Do You remember, that in 2008 USA, GB etc. terrorist states belived, that Serbia will soon recognize Kosovo?? Today - they dont expected any recognition from Serbia. So - Serbian politics is OK. Illegal psaeudostate created by western terrorists on the territory of Republic of Serbia - is blocked. Recognitions stopped. Kosovo have any chance to join UN and despite Thaci/Hayseni rhetoric - have any "european perspective". Thaci can nothing on the Western Balkan forum - Kosovo don't exists as member of Central European Initiative and is ignored in Central European Free Trade Agreement.

So - not Serbia, but rather pseudoindependent Kosovo is isolated.

Our FM Hyseni is showing Serbs what Realpolitik is. Congratulations to our FM.

He left Tadic and Jeremic querelling not being able to answer him in last UN meeting in January.

Times of lies and propagandas is over. Serbs are realising that non-recognition of Kosovo is leaving them isolated everywhere. I am wondering whether they will get out WB and IMF meeting when Kosovo who is accepted as a Republic of Kosovo (a fully fledged country) will take a seat and speak on behalf of the developments in Kosovo and region?

Serbia is brought into her knees...and with this mentality the worse has yet to come.

" K. Albanian politician against change of borders"

Good! Now we are getting somewhere. You see, the Serbs are also against the changing of its borders.

He talks about no border changes in the former Yugoslavia - does he realize how stupid he sounds? I guess he thinks that only Albanians have the right to change borders and steal land.

hahaha
they are against changing borders
why did they change the border of serbia by proclaiming independence in the first place!!
what a bunch of hypocrites.

"He talks about no border changes in the former Yugoslavia - does he realize how stupid he sounds? I guess he thinks that only Albanians have the right to change borders and steal land."
(winston)

-- That's because nationalists are always the biggest defenders of the status quo immediately after achieving all of their objectives as a way of consolidating their holdings.

It's a good thing I sometimes read comments before posting my own. I was about to say that Hysterical's comments sound much better when one listens to this in the background:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hmFD15m-2fg

But having read the posts, I think we can include PRN as someone who also lives in this happy, magical land.

Hyseni said-“Instead of changing the borders of any former Yugoslavia member-

Stop, Kosovo was always Serbia. Think about what you just said. Correct, we should not change the boarders. Kosovo is Serbia.

Serbs and all others!

Please know the international community is behind you. Never give up. And never accept illegal Kosovo independence!!

“I see no possibility that the court will conclude that Kosovo’s independence is not in line with international law, because there is no rule or norm that prohibits independence declaration by an entity. That’s why we’re so sure that in the end the court will conclude that our declaration of independence was not illegal.”

See...this unsupported logic is EXACTLY what the K-Albs are using as their defense for unilateral independence. Mr Hyseni- your statement is an outright lie. There ARE rules and norms which prevent groups of people within sovereign borders from unilaterally seceding and claiming independence- it's part of international law and logic that otherwise, without it, would negate all borders and nations. The real explanation why 65 countries have recognized Kosovo's UDI is simply because of corrupt politics, and the need of the West to "use" Kocobo for their own ambitions. I'm sorry Mr. Hyseni....logic built upon illogic will never stand by itself.

...Instead of changing the borders of any former Yugoslavia member... - Mr. Huseni, are you kidding?

WOW, an admission of failure by the K-albs - he admitted that Serbia has successfully blocked worldwide recognition. he also sounds worried about the ICJ. what a contradicting hypocrite too - he is against changing the borders of a republic of the former Yugoslavia but what are they trying to do? Kosovo was never a republic by itself in Yugoslavia - it is and was a part of Serbia. he is laying the groundwork for the day he announces status re-negotiations that america forces upon them after the ICJ ruling goes against the UDI. obama can't afford propping them up anymore. If he were smart, which I doubt, he should condition the "return" of Kosovo to Serbia with Serbia's immediate admission to the eu and Serbia's forced admission into HATO. Then his people are free to roam western europe. Western europe has to reap what it sowed in the Balkans. But neither they nor obama are clever enough for that.

wow how did he get that job???? he says entities may declare independence if they choose !!! lets ask scotland or northern ireland or quebec, canada how that worked out for them ?? or lets ask RS in bosnia what they hear regarding that possibilty !!! but of course south serbia is a special case ,, but yes of course !!!

the only change in the borders with kosovo is goin to be make GREAT ALBANIA

"...I get the distinct feeling that the heavyweights in the international administrations can see quite clearly that the Kosovo govt as it stands cannot run the province.
...
(kate, 4 February 2010 12:31)"

In case that you are implying it, you must know by now that there is no chance that any K-government will be run by Belgrade.
If current K-govt is not to your liking, we'll allow K-voters decide on the next election on the next government. Constructive criticism is always welcome in K-land.

Someone here said:
"There ARE rules and norms which prevent groups of people within sovereign borders from unilaterally seceding and claiming independence- it's part of international law and logic that otherwise, without it, would negate all borders and nations."

No there AREN'T. There IS NO LAW that states that declarations of Independence are illegal. NONE, ZILCH, NADA, NULL. Again there is no universal rule about how new states should come to fruition. The whole point is that borders of the nations as they stand currently are not set in stone. Nobody's borders are set in stone or regulated by a super-potent international law. A nation's borders as it stands currently depends purely on individual recognitions of other nations that those are indeed the borders. Indeed because such individual recognitions have changed through time a nation's border have changed. There have been a whole lot of cases where this has happened. So this simply a volunteer recognition of borders from other nation's; each of them doing it on an individual basis. That is how the vast majority of states that are independent today came to be independent. That is the theoretical part. Of course reality is that politics often dictates such decisions. So to sum up. No there ISN'T ANY super-potent UNIVERSAL INTERNATIONAL LAW that guides the creation of new states on earth, or that for that matter GUARANTEES eternal borders for a state entity. It has never been the case.

Actually Johnny, i think you're interpretation is flawed.

Alhtough i'm not a lawyer, i'm pretty sure that after 1948, the UN charter allowed for only colonies of far away powers to call for independence, incuding Republics of Federations.
Even then, it was an uphill battle. And unlike former Republics (which received immediate recognition), the status quo continues with Kosovo..

Unfortunately Johnny, the topics here get so poisoned with hatred, that the Albanian posters tend to overlook the obvious. It's not the K-Albanians ambitions that are so upsetting. It's the way the U.S. used the Albanians as proxies to bomb Serbia, and occupy via humvees and Camp Bondsteel...
I mean really, the US's actions were intrusive and blatant.

And as far as the washed down version of independence is concerned..
By your definition, I can claim to be the REAL Napolean, and hopefully my neighbours will recognize it..But in reality, they'd probably agree that I AM the REAL Napolean, and then ignore me...

Just like the situation is with Kosovo...

wow how did he get that job???? he says entities may declare independence if they choose !!! lets ask scotland or northern ireland or quebec, canada how that worked out for them ?? or lets ask RS in bosnia what they hear regarding that possibilty !!! but of course south serbia is a special case ,, but yes of course !!!
(benzo, 4 February 2010 20:29)

You seem to intentionally miss the point. Anyone can declare independence if they choose to. There is no international law out there that stops anybody from declaring independence. The declaration per se is not regulated under international law. Again there is no international law that regulates declarations of independence. So Scotlannd, N. Ireland, RS, Quebec or for that matter anyone else can declare independence if they chose too. It is up to them. A declaration of independence however does not necessarily all of a sudden mean you are independent or that you are a state. So RS,Quebec etc. are no hampered in becoming independent state entities because they cannot declare their independence. They can declare it tomorrow if they choose to. There is no international law that would prohibit the Declaration. What hampers them in becoming independent is how many other countries out there would recognize after that declaration that they are indeed independent. There is not any prohibition on the Declaration per se. Its the political process the follows it that determines whether one is independent or not. It is a process which takes time. The declaration does not instantly make you independent. Its what follows it that counts.

There IS NO LAW that states that declarations of Independence are illegal.

(johny, 4 February 2010 20:52)

Johny - tell Your speech to authorities of Georgia, Azerbaijan or Moldova.
And tell me - why ossetian, abkhazian, karabakhi or transnistrian declarations of independence are for USA and all Europe - illegal.

@johny~

anyone may scream and shout ridiculous fantasies..its when laws are broken and worse yet when others buy into their disregard for "rules of the civilized world" that it becomes a crime.

international laws are clearly written. it has to be that way large economies and militaries come and go if we let laws become manipulated by "whos on top" at that moment we are headed down a slippery slope !!

What I am wondering is where are the 100+ recognitions Hashish Thaci promised prior to declaring "independence"

Tough talk for a little man

Although it's nothing to do with Kosovo but I've got to correct a few points. First of all people in Quebec don't want independence. Secondly, Northern Ireland will have full autonomy in which the Catholics and Protestants share power from April. Thirdly, Scotland has a nationalist government which can hold a referendum on independence any time it wants. I wonder why it doesn't.

Needless to say, despite these poor examples, that does still leave the cases of Palestine, Kurdistan, South Ossetia, Abkhazia, Nagorno Karabakh, RS etc. Kosovo is no better than any of these.

'Instead of changing the borders of any former Yugoslavia member, the region should turn to the process of integrations and a common European future'

Couldn't agree more Mr Hyseni. Although I assume by members you mean former Yugoslav Republic, and I'm not sure what planet you're on if you think Kosovo was one of them.

@ johny~

1) Its not my job to educate you ...but for kicks..look up the british response to scotland's demand for independence

2) The Constitution of Serbia ...to which Kosovo still officially remains a part of ..makes it illegal ..if u break a german law in germany that is not an illegal act in france HAVE YOU BROKEN A LAW ??

Despite what some here may think his statement was mature and realistic, it takes guts to take responsability and inform people with the challenges that Kosova/o is facing, all we hear from Serb politians is myths and past history.
Bringing up Kosova/o anytime they want to fill their everyday agenda it's becoming trendy among them, sometime they blame Albanians because in the morning their coffe didn't have enough sugar.
As for the border quote from mr Hyseni I say that some comments here are either being naive or don't know about the history of Kosova/o , the Kosova/o borders are known for thousands of years and not only within Yougoslavia,of course no with the same name,cherry picking history doesn't work,in fact there are still territories outside Kosova/o borders that belong to,I'm sure Serbs are avare of that.

Pijetro and Benzo can you point me to the exact specific International Law that specifically states that autonomous regions are barred from declaring Independence and that the Declaration per se is illegal.
If there is no such law then there there is no law to break, then there is no question about legality or illegality. The Serb camp has failed to produce time and time again the specific international law that they claim has been broken that specifically states that Declarations of independence are illegal for entities such as Kosova.
(johny, 5 February 2010 19:49)
Johny - tell me why autonomous regions of ex Soviet Union (Autonomous Republics of Abkhazia, Ossetia or Karabakh) have no rights for independence??

I will tell You why - becouse first is Constitution. Constitutions of Georgia or Azerbaijan don't give right for "declaration of independence" of autonomous republics. Same in Republic of Serbia - Constitution of Republic of Serbia - don't give right to "independence" for any region of Republic of Serbia.

Finally - International law gives priority to the principle of territorial integrity of states (in this case - territorial integrity of Republic of Serbia). Autonomous Province of Kosovo and Metohija - was any republic of ex-Yugo. Kosovo was only autonomous province on the territory of yugoslav republic of Serbia. Same status had autonomous republics of Ossetia and Abkhazia on the territory of Soviet Republic of Georgia or autonomous republic of Karabakh on the territory of Soviet Republic of Azerbaijan.

So - if according to West Abkhazia, Ossetia, Karabakh - have any right to independence - than Kosovo have too any legal right to independence.

Mr Rae, I don't want to have a big discussion about Quebec, because I don't really know that much about it and I don't want to side one way or another without knowing everything, but didn't the 1995 referendum reject independence, albeit controversially?

And surely since the special status was passed there must be more Quebecois supporting remaining in Canada, so long as they're rights are respected.

Johnny, even if there is no law there is 1244. I don't think any countries with separatist areas can do better than a UN resolution committing to their sovereignity and territorial integrity.

"O boy, here we go again. Again you fail to make a distinction between international law and local law."
(johny, 6 February 2010 00:49)

Johny boy... Do You know, that international law give right for self-determination ONLY if it complies with applicable local laws (such as the Constitution) considered the state in which you want to set up?? For example - Constitution of ex Soviet Union gave for Union Republics (but not for other autonomous territories!!) right for secession. Becouse that - Soviet Union can break without war.

"Albania and Serbia both became independent even though that broke the Ottoman law"
(johny, 6 February 2010 00:49)

Johny, Johny... it is not 19th century!! Today we have "United Nations Chart" - Chapter 1 Article 2: "All Members shall refrain in their international relations from the threat or use of force against the TERRITORIAL INTEGRITY or political independence of any state, or in any other manner inconsistent with the Purposes of the United Nations"

We have "Declaration of Principles of International Law Concerning Friendly Relations and Co-operation Among States in Accordance with the Charter of the United Nations" from 1970. "Declaration..." states, that any region may have the right of secession in the case of foreign occupation or if the region is a colony of another nation.

We have "Helsinki Final Act" from 1975:
Point III spoke about inviolability of frontiers
Point IV spoke about territorial integrity of States.

1244 - wrote about Sovereignty of FRY over Kosovo and about territorial integrity of FRY. And wrote only about "substantial autonomy" for Kosovo. Any words who can suggest, that Kosovo can be "independent".

The realist theory of international relations insists on the primacy of territorial sovereignty over national self-determination.

So - ICJ can gave only one sentence - UDI from February 17 2008 - was illegal act.

Johny - creation of republic of Cyprus - was part of process of DECOLONIZATION - it's completly different situation. Same like creation of states in Africa or Asia - parts of european ex colonial empires. Cyprus don't seceded from United Kingdom - it's independence was GRANTED by UK government.

About other Your argumments - all nations on the World should be should be treated equally. Any preference for one nation - like for K-Albanians. If ALL WORLD is against self determination movements of Abkhazians, Ossetians, Armenians, Bosnian or Croatian Serbs, Kurds, Tamils, Basques etc. etc. - why some hypocrite states preffer self determination movement of K-Albanians?? And ONLY their self determination movement - any other.
I will tell You why - becouse they are HYPOCRITES. Becouse they want to weaken only Balkan state who is not 100% pro-US or pro-NATO. Becouse these hypocrites once under the influence of Milosević action (at the time when Serbia was for all "bad" state) decided wrong and now defend this decision and plunging more and more. They know very good, that decision was wrong, but they must defend their decision and looking for loopholes to support its case (e.g. stupid so called "sui generis argument"), becouse otherwise they would be totally compromised.
So - i don't belive, that states like USA, UK, Germany will change their decision if ICJ will support Serbian point of view, becouse illegal false state of Kosovo is their "child", so - they will be defend their point of view "until death". And existence of this pseudoindependent creature will be based solely on military strength of NATO. Nothing more. Any local or international law, any international aggrement, any historical foundation - only brutal, military invasion against independent european country. This is only base of Kosovo's pseudoindependence. So - Serbia will never accept state created by military power on their territory.

P.S. I remember that first time Albanians from Kosovo declared independence in 80's. But NOBODY support this declaration (excluding communist regime from Albania). And this was only realistic point of view about separatist movement.

Pijetro and Benzo can you point me to the exact specific International Law that specifically states that autonomous regions are barred from declaring Independence and that the Declaration per se is illegal.
If there is no such law then there there is no law to break, then there is no question about legality or illegality. The Serb camp has failed to produce time and time again the specific international law that they claim has been broken that specifically states that Declarations of independence are illegal for entities such as Kosova.

I hear-by declare that I am independent. No law applies to me. I am my own law. There is no law that stops me declaring that I am independent.

Apart from the treason law.

Maybe they can execute me.

Um.

But if I am the law then maybe it is me that can make a treason law and I can execute them.

Um.

Sam UK,
Though I will not venture an argument about the UK states that you've mentioned, but the Quebec independence referendum, 1995 was just that, a referendum on independence.
Feel free to take a look at this link:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quebec_independence_referendum,_1995

You may have confused the 1995 referendum for independence with the 1980 referendum for sovereignty.

Either way, I'm being nit-picky but it needed to be clarified.

Otherwise I agree.

don´t worry Skender, there won´t be any border-changes... all of it is serbian territory!

ah... by the way, KiM was not a "member" of the former yugoslav state - it was and still is an integral part of Serbia!

watch out what you´re talking, it could be bad for you, when the times change...

BRAVO!! well said milan!! but dont be surprised if johny doesnt get it at all ..he thinks he's found a loop hole in the laws that govern our globe but is actually clueless to how it actually works ..if what he says is true i can declare i have a billion dollars in the bank and based on my declaration live a billionaire life style no questions asked !!! crazy i know

johny~

1) Its not my job to educate you ...but for kicks..look up the british response to scotland's demand for independence

2) The Constitution of Serbia ...to which Kosovo still officially remains a part of ..makes it illegal ..if u break a german law in germany that is not an illegal act in france HAVE YOU BROKEN A LAW ??
(benzo, 5 February 2010 20:54)

O boy, here we go again. Again you fail to make a distinction between international law and local law. As a matter of fact the vast majority of countries have become independent through a process that broke local law. You want an example? Albania and Serbia both became independent even though that broke the Ottoman law. The US became independent by breaking British law. Croatia and Slovenia, became independent by breaking Yugoslav law. Finland became independent by breaking Russian law. I'll be happy to provide you with more examples. The fact of the matter is that Serbia is not at ICJ to ask whether Kosova broke Serbia's laws when it declared its independence. As a matter of fact the Serbian team never attempted to even make that case. Serbia is at ICJ asking if Kosova by making that declaration broke the international law. Yet again there is no specific international law which states that declarations of independence per se are illegal. The Serbian team failed to produce such piece of international legislation. Again if there is no law, there is no legality or illegality issues. If there is no law barring it, nobody is prevented from declaring it. There is no international law that universally sets the standards on how territories become independent.

Sam read 1244 again. It is a purposelessly written clusterf...k, which while it mentions Jugoslav sovereignity it also leaves the sovereignty at the hands of the People. In fact its because of 1244 that Serbia is at ICJ. If it was clear there wouldn't even need to be a discussion. For example there is no discussion if RS is independent or not based on the Dayton agreements, because they are so clear that they leave no room for any side to claim different things. So the way 1244 was written was so that nobody would veto it. Throw in the terms Jugoslav sovereignity and the countries on Serbia's side wouldn't veto it. Throw in the terms sovereignty to be decided by the people and the countries on the Albanian side wouldn't veto it. Those who voted for it where fully aware that the situation we're in now both from the Serb and Kosova's perspective was the most likely position but all could hide behind 1244 anyway.

Yes Johny - we will waiting for ICJ sentence.

Yes there are documents about self-determination of nations. So why self determination of Croatian and Bosnian Serbs are "bad"?? Why self determination movements of Abkhazians, Ossetians, Armenians - is against international law?? K-Albanians are not only minority in Europe. If every european minority would create an "independent" state like K-Albanians - we will have in Europe 500 small states. It's not good way for Europe. K-Albanians must realize that. Albanians have their own independent and recognized national state - Republic of Albania. They don't need to create new one - substantial autonomy is only way.

Serbia only asking ICJ about legality of UDI, becouse according constitution of Republic of Serbia - this is illegal act who violated Constitution and territorial integrity of Republic - very clear situation. Kosovo is integral part of Republic, but Serbia must show it for other, hypocrite states and their hypocrite governments, who support illegal act of UDI. So - if ICJ will sentence, that UDI was illegal act - all states who support this act will be on disagreeable position and Serbia will be moral victor.

This sentence will be not for Serbia (here situation is clear - UDI is illegal act) - but for World. This sentence will create real international law. Remember - every sentence supporting UDI - will open Pandora Box.

P.S. In similar situation Great Supporters of UDI (USA, UK, Germany etc.) sent an army against separatists. E.g. if state of Texas - who have tradition of existence as independent state will unilatery declare independence (for example, becouse Mexicans became majority and they would create to "Independent Mexican Republic of Texas") - president Obama 100% will send USArmy against secessionists.

Milan and Benzo again almost always independence movement are against local law; not international law. The difference is of great importance. This is not about loopholes. A loophole would exist if there was actually a specific law that guided and set the standards for the creation of new states. There are no such international laws. All we have on a global basis today are a set of documents that talk about the right of self-determination, and about sovereignty without specifically stating that there will not be any new states created and without specifying the manner of new state formation. There is no universal, global law which either guides new state formation, or prohibits new state formation. This is not about hypocritical countries or righteous countries. It is as it has always been about spheres of influence. About battles and wars by proxy. It has been like that for a long long time. Because of that there is no rigid, ever-lasting magical international law that guides new state formation or that for that matter eternally secures state borders as they are today. Those who wrote the international law foresaw the formation of new states simply because they themselves and together while in the process of writing such laws have made up new states and drawn new borders countless of times. Its time to stop being naive. You know this.

Now having said that: Milan the Greeks have Greece why should they have Cyprus as well. If Greeks can have two states why should we banned from having two states. Isn't that hypocritical (using your words here).

Benzo the point is that any little minority out there can indeed declare independence. There is no law, no global law that prevents them from doing that. There is a local law but not an international law that prevents them. However declaring independence as I said earlier does not make you independent. So while nobody can stop them from declaring their independence in an international level, they can stop this independence from being achieved by simply stating that you can declare it but we won't recognize it, we will ignore your act. Now you're bitter because some have recognized Kosova. I understand your point and I get your view but you can't get angry with us because others have recognized our declaration, which is not prevented in international law by the way. Who you need to get angry with are those that have recognized us, and with your own country or to better yet with your current and former leaders. Kosova has declared independence even before. You should think where did your country go wrong that brought such an abrupt change from some of the world's most powerful countries. Where did your country go wrong that brought such a huge change in spheres of influence. Our declaration is simply an act that could have been ignored like it was in the past. You should think what responsibilities your country has and where did your country go wrong that made it possible this time for a declaration not to be ignored. What were the policies and politics taken by Serbia that brought the western world against Serbia in less than a decade when prior to that it was the West's darling as far as eastern Europe was concerned? This is a drastic shift in foreign policies of the West for such a short period of time. What did Serbia do that brought such a change? You should be angry because your current politicians and the former ones have not come clean about it.

Milan all we can do is wait and see. Don't be so sure about it though. Because while there are documents speaking of sovereignty of a state there are also documents about the right of self determination of a people. Because while 1244 mentions Jugoslavia it also mentions the will of people. Because while Serbia wants to make this about Kosova being a state, it didn't even attempt to ask whether the state of Kosova is legal or illegal but rather if the act of Declaration per se is legal or illegal. Again there are no laws which set the standards and/or prevent anyone from declaring independence. So while your side claims that Declaration itself is illegal and is asking whether the declaration itself is illegal without producing any international law to back such claims; Serbia was careful enough to not even claim that Kosova is indeed a state which would directly undermine Serbia's case but at the same time would mean a recognition of existence of such a state. So based on the fact that Serbia itself thinks there is no state then Serbia itself is claiming that there has been no border violation even though there has been a Declaration of independence. Serbia's position is not simple because while it wants to use certain documents such as the Helsinki act, at the same time it is claiming that that act has not been violated because there is no Kosovar state. So all it can do is ask on the declaration itself, like it did, and not on the process that came after it. If it did it would first have to recognize that there is a Kosovar state, and second it would have to prove to the court the existence of such a state. Only after that it could make the claim that the existence of such state goes against such documents such as the Helsinki act or that Serbia's borders have been violated. Now when in your own Constitution Kosova is defined as an autonomous region, that simply states that according to Serbia there is no Kosovar state hence no borders have been broken hence Serbia cannot claim that any of those documents it wants to use have been violated. Things are a lot more complicated then what Jeremic or Tadic tell you guys.

Our FM Hyseni is showing Serbs what Realpolitik is. Congratulations to our FM.

He left Tadic and Jeremic querelling not being able to answer him in last UN meeting in January.

Times of lies and propagandas is over. Serbs are realising that non-recognition of Kosovo is leaving them isolated everywhere. I am wondering whether they will get out WB and IMF meeting when Kosovo who is accepted as a Republic of Kosovo (a fully fledged country) will take a seat and speak on behalf of the developments in Kosovo and region?

Serbia is brought into her knees...and with this mentality the worse has yet to come.

the only change in the borders with kosovo is goin to be make GREAT ALBANIA

"...I get the distinct feeling that the heavyweights in the international administrations can see quite clearly that the Kosovo govt as it stands cannot run the province.
...
(kate, 4 February 2010 12:31)"

In case that you are implying it, you must know by now that there is no chance that any K-government will be run by Belgrade.
If current K-govt is not to your liking, we'll allow K-voters decide on the next election on the next government. Constructive criticism is always welcome in K-land.

PRN,

I believe majority of people come to this site to read serious stuff . Please stop with nonsense and wishful thanking.

hahaha
they are against changing borders
why did they change the border of serbia by proclaiming independence in the first place!!
what a bunch of hypocrites.

Serbs and all others!

Please know the international community is behind you. Never give up. And never accept illegal Kosovo independence!!

Our FM Hyseni is showing Serbs what Realpolitik is. Congratulations to our FM.

He left Tadic and Jeremic querelling not being able to answer him in last UN meeting in January.

Times of lies and propagandas is over. Serbs are realising that non-recognition of Kosovo is leaving them isolated everywhere. I am wondering whether they will get out WB and IMF meeting when Kosovo who is accepted as a Republic of Kosovo (a fully fledged country) will take a seat and speak on behalf of the developments in Kosovo and region?

Serbia is brought into her knees...and with this mentality the worse has yet to come.
(PRN, 4 February 2010 11:06)

PRN - Your interpretation is very wrong. Do You remember, that in 2008 USA, GB etc. terrorist states belived, that Serbia will soon recognize Kosovo?? Today - they dont expected any recognition from Serbia. So - Serbian politics is OK. Illegal psaeudostate created by western terrorists on the territory of Republic of Serbia - is blocked. Recognitions stopped. Kosovo have any chance to join UN and despite Thaci/Hayseni rhetoric - have any "european perspective". Thaci can nothing on the Western Balkan forum - Kosovo don't exists as member of Central European Initiative and is ignored in Central European Free Trade Agreement.

So - not Serbia, but rather pseudoindependent Kosovo is isolated.

Thanks Hyseni, keep it up!
Your rhetoric is Serbias best weapon!

"Our FM Hyseni is showing Serbs what Realpolitik is"

PRN, watching the current Kosovo administration is leaps and bounds away from 'realpolitik'.

It's more like watching a scary version of Bliar's New Labour, except the politicians actually speak before being given permission or lines from the stable of spinmeisters.

Substance will always rule over spin. Which is why I am becoming ever more hopeful that international law will prevail.

I get the distinct feeling that the heavyweights in the international administrations can see quite clearly that the Kosovo govt as it stands cannot run the province.

When this is all resolved through new status talks, I hope for all concerned that new leaders will emerge who are modern, realistic and professional.

He talks about no border changes in the former Yugoslavia - does he realize how stupid he sounds? I guess he thinks that only Albanians have the right to change borders and steal land.

Someone here said:
"There ARE rules and norms which prevent groups of people within sovereign borders from unilaterally seceding and claiming independence- it's part of international law and logic that otherwise, without it, would negate all borders and nations."

No there AREN'T. There IS NO LAW that states that declarations of Independence are illegal. NONE, ZILCH, NADA, NULL. Again there is no universal rule about how new states should come to fruition. The whole point is that borders of the nations as they stand currently are not set in stone. Nobody's borders are set in stone or regulated by a super-potent international law. A nation's borders as it stands currently depends purely on individual recognitions of other nations that those are indeed the borders. Indeed because such individual recognitions have changed through time a nation's border have changed. There have been a whole lot of cases where this has happened. So this simply a volunteer recognition of borders from other nation's; each of them doing it on an individual basis. That is how the vast majority of states that are independent today came to be independent. That is the theoretical part. Of course reality is that politics often dictates such decisions. So to sum up. No there ISN'T ANY super-potent UNIVERSAL INTERNATIONAL LAW that guides the creation of new states on earth, or that for that matter GUARANTEES eternal borders for a state entity. It has never been the case.

actually wolverine jeremic is showing ALL albanian foreigners what realpolitics is when it comes to south-serbia.

skender whatever has a lot of words .... and nothing else ...

...Instead of changing the borders of any former Yugoslavia member... - Mr. Huseni, are you kidding?

Hyseni said-“Instead of changing the borders of any former Yugoslavia member-

Stop, Kosovo was always Serbia. Think about what you just said. Correct, we should not change the boarders. Kosovo is Serbia.

WOW, an admission of failure by the K-albs - he admitted that Serbia has successfully blocked worldwide recognition. he also sounds worried about the ICJ. what a contradicting hypocrite too - he is against changing the borders of a republic of the former Yugoslavia but what are they trying to do? Kosovo was never a republic by itself in Yugoslavia - it is and was a part of Serbia. he is laying the groundwork for the day he announces status re-negotiations that america forces upon them after the ICJ ruling goes against the UDI. obama can't afford propping them up anymore. If he were smart, which I doubt, he should condition the "return" of Kosovo to Serbia with Serbia's immediate admission to the eu and Serbia's forced admission into HATO. Then his people are free to roam western europe. Western europe has to reap what it sowed in the Balkans. But neither they nor obama are clever enough for that.

“I see no possibility that the court will conclude that Kosovo’s independence is not in line with international law, because there is no rule or norm that prohibits independence declaration by an entity. That’s why we’re so sure that in the end the court will conclude that our declaration of independence was not illegal.”

See...this unsupported logic is EXACTLY what the K-Albs are using as their defense for unilateral independence. Mr Hyseni- your statement is an outright lie. There ARE rules and norms which prevent groups of people within sovereign borders from unilaterally seceding and claiming independence- it's part of international law and logic that otherwise, without it, would negate all borders and nations. The real explanation why 65 countries have recognized Kosovo's UDI is simply because of corrupt politics, and the need of the West to "use" Kocobo for their own ambitions. I'm sorry Mr. Hyseni....logic built upon illogic will never stand by itself.

Despite what some here may think his statement was mature and realistic, it takes guts to take responsability and inform people with the challenges that Kosova/o is facing, all we hear from Serb politians is myths and past history.
Bringing up Kosova/o anytime they want to fill their everyday agenda it's becoming trendy among them, sometime they blame Albanians because in the morning their coffe didn't have enough sugar.
As for the border quote from mr Hyseni I say that some comments here are either being naive or don't know about the history of Kosova/o , the Kosova/o borders are known for thousands of years and not only within Yougoslavia,of course no with the same name,cherry picking history doesn't work,in fact there are still territories outside Kosova/o borders that belong to,I'm sure Serbs are avare of that.

" K. Albanian politician against change of borders"

Good! Now we are getting somewhere. You see, the Serbs are also against the changing of its borders.

There IS NO LAW that states that declarations of Independence are illegal.

(johny, 4 February 2010 20:52)

Johny - tell Your speech to authorities of Georgia, Azerbaijan or Moldova.
And tell me - why ossetian, abkhazian, karabakhi or transnistrian declarations of independence are for USA and all Europe - illegal.

wow how did he get that job???? he says entities may declare independence if they choose !!! lets ask scotland or northern ireland or quebec, canada how that worked out for them ?? or lets ask RS in bosnia what they hear regarding that possibilty !!! but of course south serbia is a special case ,, but yes of course !!!

What I am wondering is where are the 100+ recognitions Hashish Thaci promised prior to declaring "independence"

Tough talk for a little man

'Instead of changing the borders of any former Yugoslavia member, the region should turn to the process of integrations and a common European future'

Couldn't agree more Mr Hyseni. Although I assume by members you mean former Yugoslav Republic, and I'm not sure what planet you're on if you think Kosovo was one of them.

Pijetro and Benzo can you point me to the exact specific International Law that specifically states that autonomous regions are barred from declaring Independence and that the Declaration per se is illegal.
If there is no such law then there there is no law to break, then there is no question about legality or illegality. The Serb camp has failed to produce time and time again the specific international law that they claim has been broken that specifically states that Declarations of independence are illegal for entities such as Kosova.

It's a good thing I sometimes read comments before posting my own. I was about to say that Hysterical's comments sound much better when one listens to this in the background:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hmFD15m-2fg

But having read the posts, I think we can include PRN as someone who also lives in this happy, magical land.

"He talks about no border changes in the former Yugoslavia - does he realize how stupid he sounds? I guess he thinks that only Albanians have the right to change borders and steal land."
(winston)

-- That's because nationalists are always the biggest defenders of the status quo immediately after achieving all of their objectives as a way of consolidating their holdings.

wow how did he get that job???? he says entities may declare independence if they choose !!! lets ask scotland or northern ireland or quebec, canada how that worked out for them ?? or lets ask RS in bosnia what they hear regarding that possibilty !!! but of course south serbia is a special case ,, but yes of course !!!
(benzo, 4 February 2010 20:29)

You seem to intentionally miss the point. Anyone can declare independence if they choose to. There is no international law out there that stops anybody from declaring independence. The declaration per se is not regulated under international law. Again there is no international law that regulates declarations of independence. So Scotlannd, N. Ireland, RS, Quebec or for that matter anyone else can declare independence if they chose too. It is up to them. A declaration of independence however does not necessarily all of a sudden mean you are independent or that you are a state. So RS,Quebec etc. are no hampered in becoming independent state entities because they cannot declare their independence. They can declare it tomorrow if they choose to. There is no international law that would prohibit the Declaration. What hampers them in becoming independent is how many other countries out there would recognize after that declaration that they are indeed independent. There is not any prohibition on the Declaration per se. Its the political process the follows it that determines whether one is independent or not. It is a process which takes time. The declaration does not instantly make you independent. Its what follows it that counts.

Actually Johnny, i think you're interpretation is flawed.

Alhtough i'm not a lawyer, i'm pretty sure that after 1948, the UN charter allowed for only colonies of far away powers to call for independence, incuding Republics of Federations.
Even then, it was an uphill battle. And unlike former Republics (which received immediate recognition), the status quo continues with Kosovo..

Unfortunately Johnny, the topics here get so poisoned with hatred, that the Albanian posters tend to overlook the obvious. It's not the K-Albanians ambitions that are so upsetting. It's the way the U.S. used the Albanians as proxies to bomb Serbia, and occupy via humvees and Camp Bondsteel...
I mean really, the US's actions were intrusive and blatant.

And as far as the washed down version of independence is concerned..
By your definition, I can claim to be the REAL Napolean, and hopefully my neighbours will recognize it..But in reality, they'd probably agree that I AM the REAL Napolean, and then ignore me...

Just like the situation is with Kosovo...

johny~

1) Its not my job to educate you ...but for kicks..look up the british response to scotland's demand for independence

2) The Constitution of Serbia ...to which Kosovo still officially remains a part of ..makes it illegal ..if u break a german law in germany that is not an illegal act in france HAVE YOU BROKEN A LAW ??
(benzo, 5 February 2010 20:54)

O boy, here we go again. Again you fail to make a distinction between international law and local law. As a matter of fact the vast majority of countries have become independent through a process that broke local law. You want an example? Albania and Serbia both became independent even though that broke the Ottoman law. The US became independent by breaking British law. Croatia and Slovenia, became independent by breaking Yugoslav law. Finland became independent by breaking Russian law. I'll be happy to provide you with more examples. The fact of the matter is that Serbia is not at ICJ to ask whether Kosova broke Serbia's laws when it declared its independence. As a matter of fact the Serbian team never attempted to even make that case. Serbia is at ICJ asking if Kosova by making that declaration broke the international law. Yet again there is no specific international law which states that declarations of independence per se are illegal. The Serbian team failed to produce such piece of international legislation. Again if there is no law, there is no legality or illegality issues. If there is no law barring it, nobody is prevented from declaring it. There is no international law that universally sets the standards on how territories become independent.

Sam read 1244 again. It is a purposelessly written clusterf...k, which while it mentions Jugoslav sovereignity it also leaves the sovereignty at the hands of the People. In fact its because of 1244 that Serbia is at ICJ. If it was clear there wouldn't even need to be a discussion. For example there is no discussion if RS is independent or not based on the Dayton agreements, because they are so clear that they leave no room for any side to claim different things. So the way 1244 was written was so that nobody would veto it. Throw in the terms Jugoslav sovereignity and the countries on Serbia's side wouldn't veto it. Throw in the terms sovereignty to be decided by the people and the countries on the Albanian side wouldn't veto it. Those who voted for it where fully aware that the situation we're in now both from the Serb and Kosova's perspective was the most likely position but all could hide behind 1244 anyway.

@ johny~

1) Its not my job to educate you ...but for kicks..look up the british response to scotland's demand for independence

2) The Constitution of Serbia ...to which Kosovo still officially remains a part of ..makes it illegal ..if u break a german law in germany that is not an illegal act in france HAVE YOU BROKEN A LAW ??

Although it's nothing to do with Kosovo but I've got to correct a few points. First of all people in Quebec don't want independence. Secondly, Northern Ireland will have full autonomy in which the Catholics and Protestants share power from April. Thirdly, Scotland has a nationalist government which can hold a referendum on independence any time it wants. I wonder why it doesn't.

Needless to say, despite these poor examples, that does still leave the cases of Palestine, Kurdistan, South Ossetia, Abkhazia, Nagorno Karabakh, RS etc. Kosovo is no better than any of these.

Pijetro and Benzo can you point me to the exact specific International Law that specifically states that autonomous regions are barred from declaring Independence and that the Declaration per se is illegal.
If there is no such law then there there is no law to break, then there is no question about legality or illegality. The Serb camp has failed to produce time and time again the specific international law that they claim has been broken that specifically states that Declarations of independence are illegal for entities such as Kosova.
(johny, 5 February 2010 19:49)
Johny - tell me why autonomous regions of ex Soviet Union (Autonomous Republics of Abkhazia, Ossetia or Karabakh) have no rights for independence??

I will tell You why - becouse first is Constitution. Constitutions of Georgia or Azerbaijan don't give right for "declaration of independence" of autonomous republics. Same in Republic of Serbia - Constitution of Republic of Serbia - don't give right to "independence" for any region of Republic of Serbia.

Finally - International law gives priority to the principle of territorial integrity of states (in this case - territorial integrity of Republic of Serbia). Autonomous Province of Kosovo and Metohija - was any republic of ex-Yugo. Kosovo was only autonomous province on the territory of yugoslav republic of Serbia. Same status had autonomous republics of Ossetia and Abkhazia on the territory of Soviet Republic of Georgia or autonomous republic of Karabakh on the territory of Soviet Republic of Azerbaijan.

So - if according to West Abkhazia, Ossetia, Karabakh - have any right to independence - than Kosovo have too any legal right to independence.

Milan all we can do is wait and see. Don't be so sure about it though. Because while there are documents speaking of sovereignty of a state there are also documents about the right of self determination of a people. Because while 1244 mentions Jugoslavia it also mentions the will of people. Because while Serbia wants to make this about Kosova being a state, it didn't even attempt to ask whether the state of Kosova is legal or illegal but rather if the act of Declaration per se is legal or illegal. Again there are no laws which set the standards and/or prevent anyone from declaring independence. So while your side claims that Declaration itself is illegal and is asking whether the declaration itself is illegal without producing any international law to back such claims; Serbia was careful enough to not even claim that Kosova is indeed a state which would directly undermine Serbia's case but at the same time would mean a recognition of existence of such a state. So based on the fact that Serbia itself thinks there is no state then Serbia itself is claiming that there has been no border violation even though there has been a Declaration of independence. Serbia's position is not simple because while it wants to use certain documents such as the Helsinki act, at the same time it is claiming that that act has not been violated because there is no Kosovar state. So all it can do is ask on the declaration itself, like it did, and not on the process that came after it. If it did it would first have to recognize that there is a Kosovar state, and second it would have to prove to the court the existence of such a state. Only after that it could make the claim that the existence of such state goes against such documents such as the Helsinki act or that Serbia's borders have been violated. Now when in your own Constitution Kosova is defined as an autonomous region, that simply states that according to Serbia there is no Kosovar state hence no borders have been broken hence Serbia cannot claim that any of those documents it wants to use have been violated. Things are a lot more complicated then what Jeremic or Tadic tell you guys.

@johny~

anyone may scream and shout ridiculous fantasies..its when laws are broken and worse yet when others buy into their disregard for "rules of the civilized world" that it becomes a crime.

international laws are clearly written. it has to be that way large economies and militaries come and go if we let laws become manipulated by "whos on top" at that moment we are headed down a slippery slope !!

I hear-by declare that I am independent. No law applies to me. I am my own law. There is no law that stops me declaring that I am independent.

Apart from the treason law.

Maybe they can execute me.

Um.

But if I am the law then maybe it is me that can make a treason law and I can execute them.

Um.

Johnny, even if there is no law there is 1244. I don't think any countries with separatist areas can do better than a UN resolution committing to their sovereignity and territorial integrity.

"O boy, here we go again. Again you fail to make a distinction between international law and local law."
(johny, 6 February 2010 00:49)

Johny boy... Do You know, that international law give right for self-determination ONLY if it complies with applicable local laws (such as the Constitution) considered the state in which you want to set up?? For example - Constitution of ex Soviet Union gave for Union Republics (but not for other autonomous territories!!) right for secession. Becouse that - Soviet Union can break without war.

"Albania and Serbia both became independent even though that broke the Ottoman law"
(johny, 6 February 2010 00:49)

Johny, Johny... it is not 19th century!! Today we have "United Nations Chart" - Chapter 1 Article 2: "All Members shall refrain in their international relations from the threat or use of force against the TERRITORIAL INTEGRITY or political independence of any state, or in any other manner inconsistent with the Purposes of the United Nations"

We have "Declaration of Principles of International Law Concerning Friendly Relations and Co-operation Among States in Accordance with the Charter of the United Nations" from 1970. "Declaration..." states, that any region may have the right of secession in the case of foreign occupation or if the region is a colony of another nation.

We have "Helsinki Final Act" from 1975:
Point III spoke about inviolability of frontiers
Point IV spoke about territorial integrity of States.

1244 - wrote about Sovereignty of FRY over Kosovo and about territorial integrity of FRY. And wrote only about "substantial autonomy" for Kosovo. Any words who can suggest, that Kosovo can be "independent".

The realist theory of international relations insists on the primacy of territorial sovereignty over national self-determination.

So - ICJ can gave only one sentence - UDI from February 17 2008 - was illegal act.

don´t worry Skender, there won´t be any border-changes... all of it is serbian territory!

ah... by the way, KiM was not a "member" of the former yugoslav state - it was and still is an integral part of Serbia!

watch out what you´re talking, it could be bad for you, when the times change...

Sam UK,
Though I will not venture an argument about the UK states that you've mentioned, but the Quebec independence referendum, 1995 was just that, a referendum on independence.
Feel free to take a look at this link:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quebec_independence_referendum,_1995

You may have confused the 1995 referendum for independence with the 1980 referendum for sovereignty.

Either way, I'm being nit-picky but it needed to be clarified.

Otherwise I agree.

Mr Rae, I don't want to have a big discussion about Quebec, because I don't really know that much about it and I don't want to side one way or another without knowing everything, but didn't the 1995 referendum reject independence, albeit controversially?

And surely since the special status was passed there must be more Quebecois supporting remaining in Canada, so long as they're rights are respected.

BRAVO!! well said milan!! but dont be surprised if johny doesnt get it at all ..he thinks he's found a loop hole in the laws that govern our globe but is actually clueless to how it actually works ..if what he says is true i can declare i have a billion dollars in the bank and based on my declaration live a billionaire life style no questions asked !!! crazy i know

Yes Johny - we will waiting for ICJ sentence.

Yes there are documents about self-determination of nations. So why self determination of Croatian and Bosnian Serbs are "bad"?? Why self determination movements of Abkhazians, Ossetians, Armenians - is against international law?? K-Albanians are not only minority in Europe. If every european minority would create an "independent" state like K-Albanians - we will have in Europe 500 small states. It's not good way for Europe. K-Albanians must realize that. Albanians have their own independent and recognized national state - Republic of Albania. They don't need to create new one - substantial autonomy is only way.

Serbia only asking ICJ about legality of UDI, becouse according constitution of Republic of Serbia - this is illegal act who violated Constitution and territorial integrity of Republic - very clear situation. Kosovo is integral part of Republic, but Serbia must show it for other, hypocrite states and their hypocrite governments, who support illegal act of UDI. So - if ICJ will sentence, that UDI was illegal act - all states who support this act will be on disagreeable position and Serbia will be moral victor.

This sentence will be not for Serbia (here situation is clear - UDI is illegal act) - but for World. This sentence will create real international law. Remember - every sentence supporting UDI - will open Pandora Box.

P.S. In similar situation Great Supporters of UDI (USA, UK, Germany etc.) sent an army against separatists. E.g. if state of Texas - who have tradition of existence as independent state will unilatery declare independence (for example, becouse Mexicans became majority and they would create to "Independent Mexican Republic of Texas") - president Obama 100% will send USArmy against secessionists.

Milan and Benzo again almost always independence movement are against local law; not international law. The difference is of great importance. This is not about loopholes. A loophole would exist if there was actually a specific law that guided and set the standards for the creation of new states. There are no such international laws. All we have on a global basis today are a set of documents that talk about the right of self-determination, and about sovereignty without specifically stating that there will not be any new states created and without specifying the manner of new state formation. There is no universal, global law which either guides new state formation, or prohibits new state formation. This is not about hypocritical countries or righteous countries. It is as it has always been about spheres of influence. About battles and wars by proxy. It has been like that for a long long time. Because of that there is no rigid, ever-lasting magical international law that guides new state formation or that for that matter eternally secures state borders as they are today. Those who wrote the international law foresaw the formation of new states simply because they themselves and together while in the process of writing such laws have made up new states and drawn new borders countless of times. Its time to stop being naive. You know this.

Now having said that: Milan the Greeks have Greece why should they have Cyprus as well. If Greeks can have two states why should we banned from having two states. Isn't that hypocritical (using your words here).

Benzo the point is that any little minority out there can indeed declare independence. There is no law, no global law that prevents them from doing that. There is a local law but not an international law that prevents them. However declaring independence as I said earlier does not make you independent. So while nobody can stop them from declaring their independence in an international level, they can stop this independence from being achieved by simply stating that you can declare it but we won't recognize it, we will ignore your act. Now you're bitter because some have recognized Kosova. I understand your point and I get your view but you can't get angry with us because others have recognized our declaration, which is not prevented in international law by the way. Who you need to get angry with are those that have recognized us, and with your own country or to better yet with your current and former leaders. Kosova has declared independence even before. You should think where did your country go wrong that brought such an abrupt change from some of the world's most powerful countries. Where did your country go wrong that brought such a huge change in spheres of influence. Our declaration is simply an act that could have been ignored like it was in the past. You should think what responsibilities your country has and where did your country go wrong that made it possible this time for a declaration not to be ignored. What were the policies and politics taken by Serbia that brought the western world against Serbia in less than a decade when prior to that it was the West's darling as far as eastern Europe was concerned? This is a drastic shift in foreign policies of the West for such a short period of time. What did Serbia do that brought such a change? You should be angry because your current politicians and the former ones have not come clean about it.

Johny - creation of republic of Cyprus - was part of process of DECOLONIZATION - it's completly different situation. Same like creation of states in Africa or Asia - parts of european ex colonial empires. Cyprus don't seceded from United Kingdom - it's independence was GRANTED by UK government.

About other Your argumments - all nations on the World should be should be treated equally. Any preference for one nation - like for K-Albanians. If ALL WORLD is against self determination movements of Abkhazians, Ossetians, Armenians, Bosnian or Croatian Serbs, Kurds, Tamils, Basques etc. etc. - why some hypocrite states preffer self determination movement of K-Albanians?? And ONLY their self determination movement - any other.
I will tell You why - becouse they are HYPOCRITES. Becouse they want to weaken only Balkan state who is not 100% pro-US or pro-NATO. Becouse these hypocrites once under the influence of Milosević action (at the time when Serbia was for all "bad" state) decided wrong and now defend this decision and plunging more and more. They know very good, that decision was wrong, but they must defend their decision and looking for loopholes to support its case (e.g. stupid so called "sui generis argument"), becouse otherwise they would be totally compromised.
So - i don't belive, that states like USA, UK, Germany will change their decision if ICJ will support Serbian point of view, becouse illegal false state of Kosovo is their "child", so - they will be defend their point of view "until death". And existence of this pseudoindependent creature will be based solely on military strength of NATO. Nothing more. Any local or international law, any international aggrement, any historical foundation - only brutal, military invasion against independent european country. This is only base of Kosovo's pseudoindependence. So - Serbia will never accept state created by military power on their territory.

P.S. I remember that first time Albanians from Kosovo declared independence in 80's. But NOBODY support this declaration (excluding communist regime from Albania). And this was only realistic point of view about separatist movement.