So France is perfectly willing to bomb Serbs to force them to live under the stridently Islamic SDA but is not willing to grant basic and harmless religious freedom to French Muslims?
Leonidas - I am playing Devil's Advocate here because of course I agree with what you say.
But as I asked you before, what would you say to a woman who chose to wear the full veil, or who had her freedom even more limited by this ban because without it her husband wouldn't allow her out of the home.
What then?
(kate, 3 February 2010 15:35
Hello kate
Every society has its own rules on what people can wear.In Western societies people are required to cover certain parts of their body.You are also required to wear a helmet when you ride a bike or visit a building site.
A woman cannot be allowed to wear the veil in public places hiding her identity for security reasons.
You'would probably recall that in UK two years ago a teaching assistant insisting on wearing the veil in the classroom lost not only her job but also her appeal.
If a woman is forced to wear the veil by her husband there're human rights legislation in place in most of the countries to deal with it.In some countries the authorities will interpret any attempts by husbands to forbid wives from venturing out without the veil as plain imprisonment and be subject to criminal law.
My guess is that both veil and the niqab are the ultimate manifestations of separatist political islam.
Kate said:[..But as I asked you before, what would you say to a woman who chose to wear the full veil, or who had her freedom even more limited by this ban because without it her husband wouldn't allow her out of the home.]
Kate, which woman, in their right mind, would want to marry a guy, who demands the veil or forces his wife to stay home if she doesn't wear one?
I think this whole veil business is ridiculous and those that choose to wear it should, in my opinion, do so at their own peril and bear the consequenses that come with their choice. Same goes for women that "fall in love" and marry a tirant.
Terry: "Kate, which woman, in their right mind, would want to marry a guy, who demands the veil or forces his wife to stay home if she doesn't wear one?"
You are extremely out of touch with these issues.
Women in these cultures don't 'fall in love with and marry a tyrant' (although women often do in 'civilised' or 'free' societies).
Marriages are often arranged or expected of them, and they are bound to their religion, family and culture. It is easy to look from the outside and speak about them liberating themselves, but it's farm more complicated.
In the UK there have been many cases of 'honour' killings of young women by their family if they tried to stray off the path or just simply fell in love with the wrong person.
Rightly or wrongly, women in the stricter segments of these cultures are brought up to feel that this is their role, which is why you even see young girls covered head to toe in burkha.
Some women really believe and have it entrenched in them that this is right.
There are tyrants in marriages in every society (mostly men, but sometimes women too).
If religion is, yet again, used as a tool to oppress you can't improve things by simply banning one of the symptoms. It's far more complex than that, and needs to be addressed by experienced and modern thinking community leaders, governments and human rights experts.
I am against the oppression of women and girls in these ways, but badly handling issues such as this can create more and worse problems.
Leonidas - I am playing Devil's Advocate here because of course I agree with what you say.
But as I asked you before, what would you say to a woman who chose to wear the full veil, or who had her freedom even more limited by this ban because without it her husband wouldn't allow her out of the home.
You can hide a bomb under a shirt strapped to your chest but terrorist have used the full veil to do the same.
We read that people (both male and female) have used the full veil to hide their true identity.
When you use the veil as a means to deceive and commit mass murder, you should expect people to oppose its use.
It’s unfortunate that Islamic extremists acting as mass murderers have used the veil for their heinous crimes.
I think the French are right in their fight to maintain the secularity of their state.
The Burka or veil are not religious symbols.They are just symbols of male domination over females.
It's men who are drawing their mindset from themiddle ages by covering up their wives to protect supposedely
their honour.
Burkas and veils should be totally banned from Europe and once this is done women my find the confidence to fight for their emancipation against other forms of control.
I think the French are right in their fight to maintain the secularity of their state.
The Burka or veil are not religious symbols.They are just symbols of male domination over females.
It's men who are drawing their mindset from themiddle ages by covering up their wives to protect supposedely
their honour.
Burkas and veils should be totally banned from Europe and once this is done women my find the confidence to fight for their emancipation against other forms of control.
So France is perfectly willing to bomb Serbs to force them to live under the stridently Islamic SDA but is not willing to grant basic and harmless religious freedom to French Muslims?
Kate said:[..But as I asked you before, what would you say to a woman who chose to wear the full veil, or who had her freedom even more limited by this ban because without it her husband wouldn't allow her out of the home.]
Kate, which woman, in their right mind, would want to marry a guy, who demands the veil or forces his wife to stay home if she doesn't wear one?
I think this whole veil business is ridiculous and those that choose to wear it should, in my opinion, do so at their own peril and bear the consequenses that come with their choice. Same goes for women that "fall in love" and marry a tirant.
Leonidas - I am playing Devil's Advocate here because of course I agree with what you say.
But as I asked you before, what would you say to a woman who chose to wear the full veil, or who had her freedom even more limited by this ban because without it her husband wouldn't allow her out of the home.
What then?
(kate, 3 February 2010 15:35
Hello kate
Every society has its own rules on what people can wear.In Western societies people are required to cover certain parts of their body.You are also required to wear a helmet when you ride a bike or visit a building site.
A woman cannot be allowed to wear the veil in public places hiding her identity for security reasons.
You'would probably recall that in UK two years ago a teaching assistant insisting on wearing the veil in the classroom lost not only her job but also her appeal.
If a woman is forced to wear the veil by her husband there're human rights legislation in place in most of the countries to deal with it.In some countries the authorities will interpret any attempts by husbands to forbid wives from venturing out without the veil as plain imprisonment and be subject to criminal law.
My guess is that both veil and the niqab are the ultimate manifestations of separatist political islam.
You can hide a bomb under a shirt strapped to your chest but terrorist have used the full veil to do the same.
We read that people (both male and female) have used the full veil to hide their true identity.
When you use the veil as a means to deceive and commit mass murder, you should expect people to oppose its use.
It’s unfortunate that Islamic extremists acting as mass murderers have used the veil for their heinous crimes.
Leonidas - I am playing Devil's Advocate here because of course I agree with what you say.
But as I asked you before, what would you say to a woman who chose to wear the full veil, or who had her freedom even more limited by this ban because without it her husband wouldn't allow her out of the home.
Terry: "Kate, which woman, in their right mind, would want to marry a guy, who demands the veil or forces his wife to stay home if she doesn't wear one?"
You are extremely out of touch with these issues.
Women in these cultures don't 'fall in love with and marry a tyrant' (although women often do in 'civilised' or 'free' societies).
Marriages are often arranged or expected of them, and they are bound to their religion, family and culture. It is easy to look from the outside and speak about them liberating themselves, but it's farm more complicated.
In the UK there have been many cases of 'honour' killings of young women by their family if they tried to stray off the path or just simply fell in love with the wrong person.
Rightly or wrongly, women in the stricter segments of these cultures are brought up to feel that this is their role, which is why you even see young girls covered head to toe in burkha.
Some women really believe and have it entrenched in them that this is right.
There are tyrants in marriages in every society (mostly men, but sometimes women too).
If religion is, yet again, used as a tool to oppress you can't improve things by simply banning one of the symptoms. It's far more complex than that, and needs to be addressed by experienced and modern thinking community leaders, governments and human rights experts.
I am against the oppression of women and girls in these ways, but badly handling issues such as this can create more and worse problems.
So France is perfectly willing to bomb Serbs to force them to live under the stridently Islamic SDA but is not willing to grant basic and harmless religious freedom to French Muslims?
Kate said:[..But as I asked you before, what would you say to a woman who chose to wear the full veil, or who had her freedom even more limited by this ban because without it her husband wouldn't allow her out of the home.]
Kate, which woman, in their right mind, would want to marry a guy, who demands the veil or forces his wife to stay home if she doesn't wear one?
I think this whole veil business is ridiculous and those that choose to wear it should, in my opinion, do so at their own peril and bear the consequenses that come with their choice. Same goes for women that "fall in love" and marry a tirant.
Terry: "Kate, which woman, in their right mind, would want to marry a guy, who demands the veil or forces his wife to stay home if she doesn't wear one?"
You are extremely out of touch with these issues.
Women in these cultures don't 'fall in love with and marry a tyrant' (although women often do in 'civilised' or 'free' societies).
Marriages are often arranged or expected of them, and they are bound to their religion, family and culture. It is easy to look from the outside and speak about them liberating themselves, but it's farm more complicated.
In the UK there have been many cases of 'honour' killings of young women by their family if they tried to stray off the path or just simply fell in love with the wrong person.
Rightly or wrongly, women in the stricter segments of these cultures are brought up to feel that this is their role, which is why you even see young girls covered head to toe in burkha.
Some women really believe and have it entrenched in them that this is right.
There are tyrants in marriages in every society (mostly men, but sometimes women too).
If religion is, yet again, used as a tool to oppress you can't improve things by simply banning one of the symptoms. It's far more complex than that, and needs to be addressed by experienced and modern thinking community leaders, governments and human rights experts.
I am against the oppression of women and girls in these ways, but badly handling issues such as this can create more and worse problems.
I think the French are right in their fight to maintain the secularity of their state.
The Burka or veil are not religious symbols.They are just symbols of male domination over females.
It's men who are drawing their mindset from themiddle ages by covering up their wives to protect supposedely
their honour.
Burkas and veils should be totally banned from Europe and once this is done women my find the confidence to fight for their emancipation against other forms of control.
You can hide a bomb under a shirt strapped to your chest but terrorist have used the full veil to do the same.
We read that people (both male and female) have used the full veil to hide their true identity.
When you use the veil as a means to deceive and commit mass murder, you should expect people to oppose its use.
It’s unfortunate that Islamic extremists acting as mass murderers have used the veil for their heinous crimes.
Leonidas - I am playing Devil's Advocate here because of course I agree with what you say.
But as I asked you before, what would you say to a woman who chose to wear the full veil, or who had her freedom even more limited by this ban because without it her husband wouldn't allow her out of the home.
Leonidas - I am playing Devil's Advocate here because of course I agree with what you say.
But as I asked you before, what would you say to a woman who chose to wear the full veil, or who had her freedom even more limited by this ban because without it her husband wouldn't allow her out of the home.
What then?
(kate, 3 February 2010 15:35
Hello kate
Every society has its own rules on what people can wear.In Western societies people are required to cover certain parts of their body.You are also required to wear a helmet when you ride a bike or visit a building site.
A woman cannot be allowed to wear the veil in public places hiding her identity for security reasons.
You'would probably recall that in UK two years ago a teaching assistant insisting on wearing the veil in the classroom lost not only her job but also her appeal.
If a woman is forced to wear the veil by her husband there're human rights legislation in place in most of the countries to deal with it.In some countries the authorities will interpret any attempts by husbands to forbid wives from venturing out without the veil as plain imprisonment and be subject to criminal law.
My guess is that both veil and the niqab are the ultimate manifestations of separatist political islam.
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