"Priština getting nervous over ICJ"

Firstly Andy, stop making us look like idiots - Gordon Brown and co are already doing a good job of that without YOUR feeble assistance.

And to all the pro-albanian (intentional small case usage - don't correct my grammar) commenters, try to get these few simple ideas into your woefully empty heads:

Point 1: The support of the the U.S and SOME E.U member states for this laughable declaration of independence is irrelevant. Resolution 1244 declares it to be so, and even the 'great Satan' and the E.U have to abide by international law.

Point 2: Know what a precedent is? Let's assume you do, and the ICJ DOES declare Kosovo's 'independence' to be legal. The resultant surge in Russian and Chinese member states also declaring their independence would result in a cataclysm to make World wars 1 and 2 combined look like a playground scuffle. Do you honestly think the ICJ would plunge us into World War 3 by supporting ALBANIA?? If you do, reach between your legs and extract your head from your rear immediately.

Point 3: My final point, and one you should hopefully understand with ease. Kosovo, like the English county of Yorkshire, contains a huge number of buildings, items, and places of historical significance to its constituent nation. Once, in the 8th to 10th centuries, the North of England was under Danish rule, and in effect a seperate country. So, at about the same time, was Kosovo. But guess what? It isn't anymore, and no matter how much you wish that it could be, it CAN'T be. Kosovo IS Serbia, it is the genesis and the heart of the nation, and this indepence is nothing more than albanian-islamic expansionism.

Illegal.

Immoral.

But not inevitable.

He's right - there is no alternative to talks to find a solution to suit both sides. Not just to break the stalemate but to also pave the way for a self-supporting hopeful future for all the people in Kosovo.

No wonder that he has said such nonsesne, this is intreview for Politika. We all know who reads Politika
(Olf, 28 January 2010 13:53)

Apparently Albanains like yourself, that's who.

I think it is Jeremic and Tadic getting nervous with Kostunica rising.

Mr Jeremic,

With your statements you are trying nothing else but to:

1. Keep your face in news because you love that kind of publicity
2. Keep trying to hide your nervousness before final verdict of ICJ in favour of the legality of Kosova’s declaration of independence

Well good luck with that. I am certainly not taking you statements seriously anymore.
(Simple Mind, 28 January 2010 10:01)

SimpleMind - ICJ is neutral, despite US or other pressure. They must looking only on the international law and Resolution 1244. International law and 1244 are clear - Kosovo is part of Serbia and UDI is illegal act. They can't legalize this illegal act, becouse they will open Pandora Box - and Thaci & Co know it very good.

No wonder that he has said such nonsesne, this is intreview for Politika. We all know who reads Politika

Great photo - he looks like The Count from the Muppets.

Indeed, Albanians seem very worried. What is this rubbish about if independence is illegal Kosovo will join Albania? If independence is illegal then how illegal is annexing Serbian territory into Albania. Even the US wouldn't support you with that.

Poor Jeremic. His days are certainly numbered, as his lies to Serbian public go far beyond accepable boundaries.

SHAME, not for him, but for those who appointed him. He could score high points in hypocritical audiences/land. This is NOT what Serbia deserves right now.

Rest assure that the entire Balkans is worried of the state of Serbia today.

Mr Jeremic,

With your statements you are trying nothing else but to:

1. Keep your face in news because you love that kind of publicity
2. Keep trying to hide your nervousness before final verdict of ICJ in favour of the legality of Kosova’s declaration of independence

Well good luck with that. I am certainly not taking you statements seriously anymore.

James, UK - Good comment, and you are absolutely right about the potential repercussions of the ICJ supporting the UDI.

What worries me is that the ICJ may fail in its courage of conviction and come up with some sort of third way fudge, instead of just coming out and stating the obvious: That UN Resolution 1244 states that Kosovo is part of Serbia and the UDI is illegal.

I am certain that Serbia has no intention to try and run the province as part of its administration; but proper talks (not bolstered with false promises from the US) could lead to a successful solution and future for all involved.

I would love to see a Kosovo inquiry for Bliar to face - shame that it wasn't so high on the cause celebre scale as Iraq (which is rightfully being exposed, despite the illegal attack on Serbia being completely ignored).

But I do think that you and MikeC are being a bit harsh on Andy for making a light comment about Vuk's photo.

"Great photo - he looks like The Count from the Muppets."
Andy UK

When you can't critiseze Vuk in any other way is this the best that you can do? Grow up! Even on a bad day Vuk looks far better than any albanian so called leader. You're not in a position to critisize anyone for his/her looks.

Lenard,
were not Milosevic and Karadzic Montenegrins???

LOL

Your knowledge of the former Yugoslav states amuses me.

Especially, your prior comments on how Serbia attacked Slovenia and started the wars.

"...one thing is for sure - NO Albanian will ever be part of Serbia, we dont need UN when we have IMF membership and have been recognized by the most powerful economies and at the end of the day dont push us too much as we may unite with Albania and become one."
"marko"

Those "powerful" economies you keep talking about seem helpless to help little tiny Kosovo from economic kolapse. Why are thoese "powerful" countries turning to Serbia asking it to help Kosovo by improving relations? A small territory like Kosovo that not even the most powerful countries on earth can help. Why do k-albas keep leaving Kosovo for a better life in Somalia and Afganistan if you have IMF?
You can unite with Albania as much as you want, just give back the territory of Kosovo which you are currently occupying.

I don't see Kosovo FM mr.Hyseni travelling round the world beging countrys to pick his side. That would make him a nervous man.
(Demi, 28 January 2010 14:38)
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Why don't you open your eyes Demi as see that Hyseni just got the boot out of Ethiopia and the African Union summit. It's not that he doesn't want to lobby governments, he in fact can't travel much with his "Kosova" passport. That's why he hangs around corridors at the UN, trying to meet people. It's not very dignifying, is it?

This is from an article on B92 today.
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Kosovo Albanian government Foreign Minister Skender Hyseni and other members of a delegation sent by the government in Priština could not attend the African Union gathering.

FoNet news agency learned from the Serbian embassy in Addis Ababa that this happened because they were denied entry visas.

The decision came after Serbia’s intervention, the agency added.

Jeremić thanked his Ethiopian counterpart Seyoum Mesfin on this principled gesture, the report said.

"I don't see Kosovo FM mr.Hyseni travelling round the world beging countrys to pick his side."
Demi

That's because he can't get a visa! No white schengen, no travel!

haha funny guy this jeremic
can you explain to my why kosovo schould be nervous? as you know kosovo has the backing of US and EU and the ICJ will not rule in serbias favour thats only a dream.but also if this ICJ rules in serbias favour kosovo will never negotiate with serbia.it is 1000% more possible that kosovo will unite with albania with is a NATO member than to negotiate with serbia

Well good luck with that. I am certainly not taking you statements seriously anymore.
(Simple Mind, 28 January 2010 10:01)

Did you ever?

Judging by all these posts from Albanians I can see that they are very nervous indeed.
They seem to have taken over this site of late. Why so many comments and proclamations about their "win" at the court?

Only nervous people repeat themselves this much.

Nervousness befalls upon you. Putting all your eggs into one basket is your doing. If there is a minimal chance that ICJ decides pro to UDI Serbia will have excruciating losses. If ICJ decides neutral, Serbia will have huge losses. If ICJ decides against UDI, Serbia still incurs losses for
1) Kosovars won't undue UDI.
2) ICJ decision not binding.
3) No country will recall its recognition to make a mockery of their own diplomacy.
4) More countries will recognize "just despite".
5) NATO will add more troops for disturbed situation will require (including put down violent protesting).

Wishfull thinking is as close to reality as chicken dreams.

Why would anyone be nervous, its a opinion they will decide, and even if they say Kosovo acted legally, you guys will still not recognize, will you then use the same statement made by ICJ for other International Organisation or will you use the opinion your Church has made? Some time I get confuse who has more influence, Tadic or the new Bishop? Its quite pitty what Serbia would had achived, but seems as you ppl still are asleep dreaming the big illusion Milosevic once demonstrated.

Fox's tail caught fire, when the fox ran around and screamed, the whole world on fire, then told his friends, it's your own tail, which does not burn the whole world ... So Mr. Jeremic, has made a fox, Prishtina has no reason to be nervous, let me guess who is nervous and desperate ..... NOT Prishtina

Cheers!

I have also noticed an increase in frustration coming from Priština lately.

The greatest problem is their plans are unrealistic. The US lied to them about independence and they find it necessary to take it out on Serbians. It's quite sad really.

The North is firmly under Serbian control and will remain that way. There are large pockets in the South firmly loyal to Serbia (Štrpce, Dragaš) and many other smaller pockets. There is no pressure on Serbia to recognise Kosovo but we do need to negotiate based on reality, not some rejected Attisari plan. The return of 250,000 Serbians also needs to be completed.

The sooner negotiations are completed the better. We can all then work towards peace and prosperity in the region.

I don't see Kosovo FM mr.Hyseni travelling round the world beging countrys to pick his side. That would make him a nervous man. Insteed the goverment in Prishtina is not rushing and seems to me very calm and profesional. They are just doing their job as a goverment of the territory of Kosovo(North included). Law and order is a must and right now the north city of Mitrovica is a lawless region wich criminal groups and illegal structures act wild. This is danger to our sociaty(serbs&albanians) and as a goverment Prishtina must act to protect the people of north from this danger.


As for the ICJ ruling there is nothing that sayes that it will be in favor of Serbia. Nothing at all! But whatever the outcome of the ruling will be it will not change much. Kosovo independence and the system of Kosovo is irreversble.

I cannot understand why anyone would be against a solution that is acceptable to both sides. In that event, no party would get everything it wants but both parties would get more than they have today. As it stands now, Kosovo is not a fully independent country; a country is not independent if less than a third of the world's nations recognize it. It doesn't matter if you have the backing of the US and most EU states, because that backing is meaningless without Bill Clinton and the old guard. They are not in power any more and one rarely if ever reads about Kosovo in the main US papers. We have much bigger concerns here than Kosovo. To you all and people like myself, this is an important issue. As for the rest of Americans, Kosovo means nothing, zero.
One point about the ICJ, any opinion with the exception of an unambiguous vote for the legality of the UDI is a victory for Serbia. Even if there is an ambiguous statement, that's a big victory for Serbia. Albanians believe that the whole world favors their UDI based on a bunch of lies such as Serbs would have exterminated Albanians if it weren't for NATO, and that it is impossible that the ICJ would disagree. Well, even if there is a slight disagreement, it's a loss for Kosovo and you WILL be back at the negotiating table. Make sure you bring plenty of water for the discussions.

To Simple Mind,

You can only envy a country with a foreign minister like Serbia's, young, handsome, energetic and above all clever and sharp like a razor.
Finaly, the law is on Serbia side and even birds on the trees know this. We shall beat you legaly and then stop your expansionist policy of land-grabing once and for all.
Enjoy while you can...

Firstly Andy, stop making us look like idiots - Gordon Brown and co are already doing a good job of that without YOUR feeble assistance.
(James, UK, 28 January 2010 12:55)
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Chilcot’s inquiry into the Iraq war has revealed that it was illegal. Check http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/iraq/7025672/Lord-Goldsmith-warned-ministers-that-Iraq-war-would-be-illegal.html

The UK is currently quite sensitive to accusations of illegal activity. I wonder what happens after the ICJ ruling?

What is funny is these alb posters who think they are so important that the world cares about them. Do they actually think the ICJ will risk throwing the world into more turmoil to please them? But seriously, I recommend this to the Serbian government: After you win the ICJ case and the us arrogantly refuses to withdraw recognition, humiliate the us at the next UN General Assembly: Call for a general vote to kick the us out of the Security Council since the us refuses to obey UN courts.

Serbia is never going to win the case at ICJ.

The new “democratic” government of Serbia has shown that it is not interested in the well being of Albanians in Kosovo by creating parallel structures that serve only the Serbs and not all the inhabitants of Kosovo.

Repeated statements made on behalf of Serbia by Kostunica, Dacic, Tadic, Jeremic about Albanians being back warded, criminals etc have also weakened the Serbian position. Last they have adopted a new constitution that does not give any negotiation room to the Serbian authorities in any talks with Albanians. In international law behave of the state is a very important source of law and will be emphasized by the court. No way Serbia will win the case, but they have slowed down the recognition in hope that something extraordinary would happen in the world that would make USA turn its back to the Albanians. This has not happened and Serbia is losing the battle once again.

"As it stands now, Kosovo is not a fully independent country; a country is not independent if less than a third of the world's nations recognize it."

Kosovo is recognised by 34% of the worlds countries, that is more than a third. So your theory makes no sense.

"Great photo - he looks like The Count from the Muppets."
Andy UK

When you can't critiseze Vuk in any other way is this the best that you can do? Grow up! Even on a bad day Vuk looks far better than any albanian so called leader. You're not in a position to critisize anyone for his/her looks.
(Mikael C, 28 January 2010 11:52)

It was merely an observation! I quite like the bloke and thinks he does a decent job in difficult circumstances.

The Count is one of the better looking muppets anyway. As for me, I could be a male model or have a face like a bag of spanners for all you know.

One point about the ICJ, any opinion with the exception of an unambiguous vote for the legality of the UDI is a victory for Serbia. Even if there is an ambiguous statement, that's a big victory for Serbia. Albanians believe that the whole world favors their UDI based on a bunch of lies such as Serbs would have exterminated Albanians if it weren't for NATO, and that it is impossible that the ICJ would disagree. Well, even if there is a slight disagreement, it's a loss for Kosovo and you WILL be back at the negotiating table. Make sure you bring plenty of water for the discussions.
(Daniel, 28 January 2010 12:43)
Well I like this view better than the other popular one-if the ICJ does not rule for Serbia it is corrupt.
It does seem that the Serbian side has accepted the fact that the ICJ is "not" going to give an overwhelming thumbs up for Serbia, so make the best of it you can.
I do not think anyone doubted that no matter what is said at the ICJ Serbia will spin it as a win for Serbia. Look how they have suddenly hailed a resolution that stripped them of any and all control over Kosovo with zero chance of ever regaining it, this is now a "proSerb" document.

"Great photo - he looks like The Count from the Muppets."
Andy UK

Good one Andy!

"According to him, what Serbia can do diplomatically is to protest strongly in a relevant international forum each time UNSCR 1244 is violated."
This is very interesting...It seems that the Serbian government picks and chooses what parts of the 1244 are violated. If Serbia is so worried about respecting 1244 what is it doing in Kosova with its parallel structures and elections, etc???

Thats a good picture of Foreign Minister Vuk Jeremić he is showing how the Albanians are scared boo boo. That will convince some Serbs for sure.

It's called a premature victory lap. Interesting that this "victory lap" is taking him all the way to Africa.
Vuk, Why don't you hang tight until the court actually makes a ruling?
If Jeremic believes half of what he says, he is seriously delusional.

Just wondering, did FM Jeremic called his counterpart FM Hyseni, to ask this question, if he nervous or not.

I am not sure where he is getting all this optimism but one thing is for sure - NO Albanian will ever be part of Serbia, we dont need UN when we have IMF membership and have been recognized by the most powerful economies and at the end of the day dont push us too much as we may unite with Albania and become one.

Seems that Vuk is getting nervous instead. Easy to understand...

Everyone understands Serbia has historical and political rights in Kosovo. Only Albanians are blinded by ambition to this reality. The Kalbs are starting to look more and more like an obstacle to peace in the region.

I would certainly also get very nervous knowing that I stole something that doesn't belong to me and the all world knows it!

An real independent country and independent people do not have to repeat day after day that they are independant.

My question is very simple, what are your trying to prove here on this site day after day if your are soooooooo convinced about the legality of your theft!

I can also imagine that you are getting very nervous not to say more when your muppet show govnt is being denied entry to an important conference (important if you would be admitted, irrelevant if your are not...) or some others being unable to travel for fear to be arrested!

Indeed a very interesting notion of independance! Indepedance made in USA, deja vu...

# Lenard,
were not Milosevic and Karadzic Montenegrins???

LOL

Your knowledge of the former Yugoslav states amuses me.

Especially, your prior comments on how Serbia attacked Slovenia and started the wars.
(Another Canadian Serb, 28 January 2010 12:21 What are you talking about Another Canadian Serb I never said anything about Slovenia or those two Serb wannabes. Unless you want me to comment.

It's amazing to see Serbs accusing the other side of arrogance. I'm startled by the obvious.

"Priština getting nervous over ICJ"
This coming from a person running around begging countries not to recognize. Does not sound like a display of confidence to me.

# Serbia is never going to win the case at ICJ.

The new “democratic” government of Serbia has shown that it is not interested in the well being of Albanians in Kosovo by creating parallel structures that serve only the Serbs and not all the inhabitants of Kosovo.

Repeated statements made on behalf of Serbia by Kostunica, Dacic, Tadic, Jeremic about Albanians being back warded, criminals etc have also weakened the Serbian position. Last they have adopted a new constitution that does not give any negotiation room to the Serbian authorities in any talks with Albanians. In international law behave of the state is a very important source of law and will be emphasized by the court. No way Serbia will win the case, but they have slowed down the recognition in hope that something extraordinary would happen in the world that would make USA turn its back to the Albanians. This has not happened and Serbia is losing the battle once again.
(A, 28 January 2010 11:46)

very good points. so thank you, A.

there has never been a chance that Serbia would win this case. i said that from the get-go. and explained why. people can ignore that, but they will see.

this "nervousness" is actually on the part of serbian politicians, and their nationalist fans. but that's rather obvious.

i really don't wish bad for anyone, but we (K-albs) have fought and died for this independence, not just ag. the milosevic regime, but for the better part of the century. it ain't going back to a colony -- ever. that is the one point that every kosovar albanian (who are close to 95%) agree on, and their global allies as well.

nevertheless we have to learn to live with one another, somehow, despite these never-ending provocations. negotiations are absolutely appropriate,

i can't imagine that with such non-stop belligerent pronouncements, the serbian politicians and elite think it will help their chances with the ICJ. but they can say whatever they want.

and so can we.

thank you.

roberto
frisco

Well, even if there is a slight disagreement, it's a loss for Kosovo and you WILL be back at the negotiating table. Make sure you bring plenty of water for the discussions.
(Daniel, 28 January 2010 12:43)

You gotta love the Serb negotiating tactics, it's worked like charm for a couple of decades now.

It is more than obvious that Kosovars do not want to have nothing in common with Serbia any more, except being good neighbors in the future. These kinds of individuals (politicians) are exactly model of the Serbia’s unchangeable policy towards Kosovo. Thus, no ICJ ruling will convince Albanians to sit together with Jeremic and seek for other solutions. Seems that main goal of his, is how to drive crazy the neighborhood! Mr. Jeremic, don’t worry, just recently (10 years ago) we have been so desperate, terrified, scared to death, nervous etc. So please sop terrifying us any more, we just want to live as other human beings or nations, let say as you are for example.

I have said it before and I say it again; Serbs, you should be very proud to have a foreign minister that many of the world leaders envy. Do not be mistaken, he will row the boat all the way to the harbour. As all seem to know, except very few, is that Kosovo have never been further away to be a country than now. Ask any EU diplomat, any Eulex international, any UN international if he or she thinks that Kosovo will be an own country some day. Ask ! The answear is a clear no. The thing is that all wants to keep the peace and thats a fact. BUT, they do not know how to proceed. Only to make it better for all people living in Kosovo, because the people will have a better life when all (or many) very high level gangsters have been put away. I have heard figures of about 10 years ahead but it will probably take longer. And for the ICJ, It will be in Serbias favor, no doubt since Kosovo is a part of that country since many years and ICJ dont want to draw new maps around the globe. Plus that this would be illegal. Wait and see. Print my comment, cut it out and put it away and you will see that my predictions were 100% true.

"...the potential repercussions of the ICJ supporting the UDI.

"What worries me is that the ICJ may fail in its courage of conviction and come up with some sort of third way fudge, instead of just coming out and stating the obvious: That UN Resolution 1244 states that Kosovo is part of Serbia and the UDI is illegal."

Kate,

Let me nail your argument there. You give yourself right to pre-judge the expected decision from the ICJ.
Why are you fearing when you know very well it was Serbia who approached the ICJ.

"I am certain that Serbia has no intention to try and run the province as part of its administration..."

Well that is pure speculation because the world knows the Serbia's background in not willing to run other nations....

"But I do think that you and MikeC are being a bit harsh on Andy for making a light comment about Vuk's photo.
(kate, 28 January 2010 17:17)

Don't worry about "Mike C". It doesn't bother me the individual. What concerns me is that Serbia is trying to dictate to ICJ. Serbia has never said that will accept any Opinion from ICJ. In other words it is not bother about the international law but purely its own interest. The funniest thing is that expect the Kosova's Albanians to talk again about the Status and on the other side trying very hard to undermine the Kosova's institution. We live in democracy....so we here these kind of stories.

'but we (K-albs) have fought and died for this independence, not just ag. the milosevic regime, but for the better part of the century.'

No, we (citizens of Jugoslavija, particularly Albanians) did pretty well thank you very much under Josip Broz Tito.

Some just LOVE the idea of being a victim right? So much so that nationality goes out of the window and all victims mould into one lifeform in emotive, passionate statehood. We are born.
We will be independent, and if we have to repress / torture others (Israel) then by God it doesn't matter - because WE WERE VICTIMS.

We didn't do it first, but by God if human rights have to suffer as a price for our liberty from victimhood then so be it....

And so the circle continues, because of damaged people and their damaged ideas.

Kosovo is recognised by 34% of the worlds countries, that is more than a third. So your theory makes no sense.
(Ian, UK, 28 January 2010 13:26)
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Since a third is 33.3% you're right. .7% is a huge difference.

One resolution HA HA HA.
We all know what resolution drives the K albanians nutty.

He added that Serbia is now “most likely only a few months away from the ICJ opinion” in the Kosovo case.

So who is nervous then? You will get just what you asked for. Twist it all you like but if the opinion doesn't clearly say that UDI is illegal you have lost a lot of maneuvring ground. The strategy of blackmailing other countries with seccesion problems will diminuish extensively if this opinion doesn't go on Serbia's favor. The words " special case" will be very important in the ICJ opinion if one is delivered.

Ken - You don't seem to understand the fact that Jeremic and Tadic are fighting to protect 15% of Serbian territory.

This is not some nationalistic ruse; Kosovo is still legally within the boundaries of Serbia according to international law. They have every right to protest against the illegal declaration of independence.

Speaking as a British person, and not a Serb, I am also very keen to see an inquiry about the attack on Serbia as well as Iraq. There were so many lies told and laws broken on the Nato stage, that it will certainly be exposed in years to come.

Jeremic: "There is no alternative to continued dialogue."

What dialogue??? Jeremic and Tadic are stirring up old Serbian provocations every time they talk about Kosovo in international settings. They are not inviting to any dialog, only conflict.

"Serbia has never said that will accept any Opinion from ICJ"

but have the Pristina authorities confirmed that THEY will recognise the court's verdict, whatever it is?

Or is this just double-standards?
(bored, 29 January 2010 08:14)
bored there is a huge difference--Serbia brought the suit, Kosovo had no part in this request.
To be forced to go to court and say you will not honor the opinion is a lot different than-
Requesting an opinion and (immediately) stating that you will not honor it if it is not to your liking, then flying around the globe telling people they should wait until the opinion is rendered, however, we still do not plan to honor it.
Big difference, HUGE difference.

What worries me is that the ICJ may fail in its courage of conviction and come up with some sort of third way fudge, instead of just coming out and stating the obvious: That UN Resolution 1244 states that Kosovo is part of Serbia and the UDI is illegal.

(kate, 28 January 2010 17:17)
Obvious for whom ? For you ?
Just asking because Serbia thinks the opposite is true. According to Serbia’s interpretation, resolution 1244 requests in practical terms that Serbia renounces a part of its sovereign territory.

K-Albanian posters are always making statements like

"Serbia has never said that will accept any Opinion from ICJ"

but have the Pristina authorities confirmed that THEY will recognise the court's verdict, whatever it is?

Or is this just double-standards?

# 'but we (K-albs) have fought and died for this independence, not just ag. the milosevic regime, but for the better part of the century.'

No, we (citizens of Jugoslavija, particularly Albanians) did pretty well thank you very much under Josip Broz Tito.

Some just LOVE the idea of being a victim right? So much so that nationality goes out of the window and all victims mould into one lifeform in emotive, passionate statehood. We are born.
We will be independent, and if we have to repress / torture others (Israel) then by God it doesn't matter - because WE WERE VICTIMS.

We didn't do it first, but by God if human rights have to suffer as a price for our liberty from victimhood then so be it....

And so the circle continues, because of damaged people and their damaged ideas.
(bganon, 28 January 2010 23:57)

that's just so bizarre not to mention intellectually dishonest on so many levels.

1- just because you come from ex-yugoslavia, you somehow speak for kosovar albanians?? you must be kidding!

2 -- i happen to have very fond memories, personally, of yugoslvia, from when i was growing up. on the other hand, many (not all) of my k-alb frnds do not. they speak of the years under rankovic, they speak of never feeling equal in the land of "southern slavs", they speak eloquently of the nightmare years that unfolded after the death of tito. the early years, of the "balkan wars" and the terror ag. alb native peoples are not actual memories but part of the collective consciousness of the people as well.

actually neither you nor i should be speaking "for" the k-alb people. personally i just got so sick of being "accused" (the other side's pov) of being alb., muslim, bla bla bla... i just started to use "we." but anyway, we should notice that each and every k-alb person does not feel the same about everything, which is perfectly normal and proper. except about indep. from yr beloved serbia -- on that there is near-unanimous agreement.

3-- about israel, that's a disingenuous bit of stooping. in case you actually have read my postings, of ALL people i have been consistently critical of israeli govt policies. not just about their little "fun" in gaza, and the settlements issue, but the whole pattern of their governing and refusal to compromise, and to facilitate a palestinian state. check some of my earlier postings just in case you don't believe me. and of course i am openly critical of the current israeli right-wing govt's "alliance" with the blgd regime which i find ethically indefensible. i've also sent such a critique to the israeli "liberal" press, but apparently they were not terribly open or interested.
(ring a bell?)

4-- how many times have i asked that the great intellectual dissidents of blgd NOT be marginalized here?! -- that i do not really feel up to the task of delivering their message and critique(s). but we can only do what we can do.

i'm sure that b-92 will print my response in the interest of fairness and free speech.

roberto
frisco

What dialogue??? Jeremic and Tadic are stirring up old Serbian provocations every time they talk about Kosovo in international settings. They are not inviting to any dialog, only conflict.
(Ken, 29 January 2010 10:58)
No my friend - provocation agains Serbia is creation by West on territory of Republic of Serbia illegal pseudostate.

K-Albanian posters are always making statements like

"Serbia has never said that will accept any Opinion from ICJ"

but have the Pristina authorities confirmed that THEY will recognise the court's verdict, whatever it is?

Or is this just double-standards?
(bored, 29 January 2010 08:14)

Prishtina did not seek ICJ's opinon on the matter Belgrade did and if they choose not to abide by a non desirable ICJ opinion they wouldn't look hypocritical like the Serbian side that brought the case to the ICJ only to later state that they weren't going to abide by the outcome.

Since a third is 33.3% you're right. .7% is a huge difference.
(Peggy, 29 January 2010 07:44)
But countries controlling 75% of the world economy recognizing Kosovo vs the 25% that doesn't is a huge difference. After all Ethiopia and Somalia are not going to contribute much to the success or failure of Kosovo.

Since a third is 33.3% you're right. .7% is a huge difference.
(Peggy, 29 January 2010 07:44)
But countries controlling 75% of the world economy recognizing Kosovo vs the 25% that doesn't is a huge difference. After all Ethiopia and Somalia are not going to contribute much to the success or failure of Kosovo.
(doodah, 29 January 2010 20:20)
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Nice try at trying to bail him out but we both know that this is not what he meant.

Now your views are really warped. Do you honestly agree that if you are rich you are worth more than the poor man and you can do anything you want to him?
By saying that the rich countries support Kosovo, that certainly looks like this is what you are saying.
If not please explain what has the wealth of countries got to do with what it just.

By saying that the rich countries support Kosovo, that certainly looks like this is what you are saying.
If not please explain what has the wealth of countries got to do with what it just.
(Peggy, 30 January 2010 04:08)

Peggy, would your prefer to have the support of Russia or Saint Lucia.

Or if you are a European country and attempting to enter the EU, would you prefer the support of Spain or Tonga.

Whose support would help you more to advance your interests ?

By saying that the rich countries support Kosovo, that certainly looks like this is what you are saying.
If not please explain what has the wealth of countries got to do with what it just.
(Peggy, 30 January 2010 04:08)
The wealthiest countries have alot more than money. They have stability and success.
The US has had the same constitution for 225 years to change anything in it is complicated and takes months if not years, not like some countries where a before lunch voting session can alter the basis of their country.

Success also has an element of power. For a country like Kosovo to survive especially when just across the border are those whose goal is to destroy it, it is necessary to be backed by successful and powerful allies.

Mr Jeremic,

With your statements you are trying nothing else but to:

1. Keep your face in news because you love that kind of publicity
2. Keep trying to hide your nervousness before final verdict of ICJ in favour of the legality of Kosova’s declaration of independence

Well good luck with that. I am certainly not taking you statements seriously anymore.

Poor Jeremic. His days are certainly numbered, as his lies to Serbian public go far beyond accepable boundaries.

SHAME, not for him, but for those who appointed him. He could score high points in hypocritical audiences/land. This is NOT what Serbia deserves right now.

Rest assure that the entire Balkans is worried of the state of Serbia today.

Great photo - he looks like The Count from the Muppets.

"As it stands now, Kosovo is not a fully independent country; a country is not independent if less than a third of the world's nations recognize it."

Kosovo is recognised by 34% of the worlds countries, that is more than a third. So your theory makes no sense.

Nervousness befalls upon you. Putting all your eggs into one basket is your doing. If there is a minimal chance that ICJ decides pro to UDI Serbia will have excruciating losses. If ICJ decides neutral, Serbia will have huge losses. If ICJ decides against UDI, Serbia still incurs losses for
1) Kosovars won't undue UDI.
2) ICJ decision not binding.
3) No country will recall its recognition to make a mockery of their own diplomacy.
4) More countries will recognize "just despite".
5) NATO will add more troops for disturbed situation will require (including put down violent protesting).

Wishfull thinking is as close to reality as chicken dreams.

No wonder that he has said such nonsesne, this is intreview for Politika. We all know who reads Politika

He's right - there is no alternative to talks to find a solution to suit both sides. Not just to break the stalemate but to also pave the way for a self-supporting hopeful future for all the people in Kosovo.

I am not sure where he is getting all this optimism but one thing is for sure - NO Albanian will ever be part of Serbia, we dont need UN when we have IMF membership and have been recognized by the most powerful economies and at the end of the day dont push us too much as we may unite with Albania and become one.

haha funny guy this jeremic
can you explain to my why kosovo schould be nervous? as you know kosovo has the backing of US and EU and the ICJ will not rule in serbias favour thats only a dream.but also if this ICJ rules in serbias favour kosovo will never negotiate with serbia.it is 1000% more possible that kosovo will unite with albania with is a NATO member than to negotiate with serbia

"Great photo - he looks like The Count from the Muppets."
Andy UK

When you can't critiseze Vuk in any other way is this the best that you can do? Grow up! Even on a bad day Vuk looks far better than any albanian so called leader. You're not in a position to critisize anyone for his/her looks.

Seems that Vuk is getting nervous instead. Easy to understand...

No wonder that he has said such nonsesne, this is intreview for Politika. We all know who reads Politika
(Olf, 28 January 2010 13:53)

Apparently Albanains like yourself, that's who.

To Simple Mind,

You can only envy a country with a foreign minister like Serbia's, young, handsome, energetic and above all clever and sharp like a razor.
Finaly, the law is on Serbia side and even birds on the trees know this. We shall beat you legaly and then stop your expansionist policy of land-grabing once and for all.
Enjoy while you can...

Mr Jeremic,

With your statements you are trying nothing else but to:

1. Keep your face in news because you love that kind of publicity
2. Keep trying to hide your nervousness before final verdict of ICJ in favour of the legality of Kosova’s declaration of independence

Well good luck with that. I am certainly not taking you statements seriously anymore.
(Simple Mind, 28 January 2010 10:01)

SimpleMind - ICJ is neutral, despite US or other pressure. They must looking only on the international law and Resolution 1244. International law and 1244 are clear - Kosovo is part of Serbia and UDI is illegal act. They can't legalize this illegal act, becouse they will open Pandora Box - and Thaci & Co know it very good.

Fox's tail caught fire, when the fox ran around and screamed, the whole world on fire, then told his friends, it's your own tail, which does not burn the whole world ... So Mr. Jeremic, has made a fox, Prishtina has no reason to be nervous, let me guess who is nervous and desperate ..... NOT Prishtina

Cheers!

Why would anyone be nervous, its a opinion they will decide, and even if they say Kosovo acted legally, you guys will still not recognize, will you then use the same statement made by ICJ for other International Organisation or will you use the opinion your Church has made? Some time I get confuse who has more influence, Tadic or the new Bishop? Its quite pitty what Serbia would had achived, but seems as you ppl still are asleep dreaming the big illusion Milosevic once demonstrated.

Serbia is never going to win the case at ICJ.

The new “democratic” government of Serbia has shown that it is not interested in the well being of Albanians in Kosovo by creating parallel structures that serve only the Serbs and not all the inhabitants of Kosovo.

Repeated statements made on behalf of Serbia by Kostunica, Dacic, Tadic, Jeremic about Albanians being back warded, criminals etc have also weakened the Serbian position. Last they have adopted a new constitution that does not give any negotiation room to the Serbian authorities in any talks with Albanians. In international law behave of the state is a very important source of law and will be emphasized by the court. No way Serbia will win the case, but they have slowed down the recognition in hope that something extraordinary would happen in the world that would make USA turn its back to the Albanians. This has not happened and Serbia is losing the battle once again.

# Serbia is never going to win the case at ICJ.

The new “democratic” government of Serbia has shown that it is not interested in the well being of Albanians in Kosovo by creating parallel structures that serve only the Serbs and not all the inhabitants of Kosovo.

Repeated statements made on behalf of Serbia by Kostunica, Dacic, Tadic, Jeremic about Albanians being back warded, criminals etc have also weakened the Serbian position. Last they have adopted a new constitution that does not give any negotiation room to the Serbian authorities in any talks with Albanians. In international law behave of the state is a very important source of law and will be emphasized by the court. No way Serbia will win the case, but they have slowed down the recognition in hope that something extraordinary would happen in the world that would make USA turn its back to the Albanians. This has not happened and Serbia is losing the battle once again.
(A, 28 January 2010 11:46)

very good points. so thank you, A.

there has never been a chance that Serbia would win this case. i said that from the get-go. and explained why. people can ignore that, but they will see.

this "nervousness" is actually on the part of serbian politicians, and their nationalist fans. but that's rather obvious.

i really don't wish bad for anyone, but we (K-albs) have fought and died for this independence, not just ag. the milosevic regime, but for the better part of the century. it ain't going back to a colony -- ever. that is the one point that every kosovar albanian (who are close to 95%) agree on, and their global allies as well.

nevertheless we have to learn to live with one another, somehow, despite these never-ending provocations. negotiations are absolutely appropriate,

i can't imagine that with such non-stop belligerent pronouncements, the serbian politicians and elite think it will help their chances with the ICJ. but they can say whatever they want.

and so can we.

thank you.

roberto
frisco

Firstly Andy, stop making us look like idiots - Gordon Brown and co are already doing a good job of that without YOUR feeble assistance.

And to all the pro-albanian (intentional small case usage - don't correct my grammar) commenters, try to get these few simple ideas into your woefully empty heads:

Point 1: The support of the the U.S and SOME E.U member states for this laughable declaration of independence is irrelevant. Resolution 1244 declares it to be so, and even the 'great Satan' and the E.U have to abide by international law.

Point 2: Know what a precedent is? Let's assume you do, and the ICJ DOES declare Kosovo's 'independence' to be legal. The resultant surge in Russian and Chinese member states also declaring their independence would result in a cataclysm to make World wars 1 and 2 combined look like a playground scuffle. Do you honestly think the ICJ would plunge us into World War 3 by supporting ALBANIA?? If you do, reach between your legs and extract your head from your rear immediately.

Point 3: My final point, and one you should hopefully understand with ease. Kosovo, like the English county of Yorkshire, contains a huge number of buildings, items, and places of historical significance to its constituent nation. Once, in the 8th to 10th centuries, the North of England was under Danish rule, and in effect a seperate country. So, at about the same time, was Kosovo. But guess what? It isn't anymore, and no matter how much you wish that it could be, it CAN'T be. Kosovo IS Serbia, it is the genesis and the heart of the nation, and this indepence is nothing more than albanian-islamic expansionism.

Illegal.

Immoral.

But not inevitable.

"According to him, what Serbia can do diplomatically is to protest strongly in a relevant international forum each time UNSCR 1244 is violated."
This is very interesting...It seems that the Serbian government picks and chooses what parts of the 1244 are violated. If Serbia is so worried about respecting 1244 what is it doing in Kosova with its parallel structures and elections, etc???

Lenard,
were not Milosevic and Karadzic Montenegrins???

LOL

Your knowledge of the former Yugoslav states amuses me.

Especially, your prior comments on how Serbia attacked Slovenia and started the wars.

I have also noticed an increase in frustration coming from Priština lately.

The greatest problem is their plans are unrealistic. The US lied to them about independence and they find it necessary to take it out on Serbians. It's quite sad really.

The North is firmly under Serbian control and will remain that way. There are large pockets in the South firmly loyal to Serbia (Štrpce, Dragaš) and many other smaller pockets. There is no pressure on Serbia to recognise Kosovo but we do need to negotiate based on reality, not some rejected Attisari plan. The return of 250,000 Serbians also needs to be completed.

The sooner negotiations are completed the better. We can all then work towards peace and prosperity in the region.

I cannot understand why anyone would be against a solution that is acceptable to both sides. In that event, no party would get everything it wants but both parties would get more than they have today. As it stands now, Kosovo is not a fully independent country; a country is not independent if less than a third of the world's nations recognize it. It doesn't matter if you have the backing of the US and most EU states, because that backing is meaningless without Bill Clinton and the old guard. They are not in power any more and one rarely if ever reads about Kosovo in the main US papers. We have much bigger concerns here than Kosovo. To you all and people like myself, this is an important issue. As for the rest of Americans, Kosovo means nothing, zero.
One point about the ICJ, any opinion with the exception of an unambiguous vote for the legality of the UDI is a victory for Serbia. Even if there is an ambiguous statement, that's a big victory for Serbia. Albanians believe that the whole world favors their UDI based on a bunch of lies such as Serbs would have exterminated Albanians if it weren't for NATO, and that it is impossible that the ICJ would disagree. Well, even if there is a slight disagreement, it's a loss for Kosovo and you WILL be back at the negotiating table. Make sure you bring plenty of water for the discussions.

"...one thing is for sure - NO Albanian will ever be part of Serbia, we dont need UN when we have IMF membership and have been recognized by the most powerful economies and at the end of the day dont push us too much as we may unite with Albania and become one."
"marko"

Those "powerful" economies you keep talking about seem helpless to help little tiny Kosovo from economic kolapse. Why are thoese "powerful" countries turning to Serbia asking it to help Kosovo by improving relations? A small territory like Kosovo that not even the most powerful countries on earth can help. Why do k-albas keep leaving Kosovo for a better life in Somalia and Afganistan if you have IMF?
You can unite with Albania as much as you want, just give back the territory of Kosovo which you are currently occupying.

"Priština getting nervous over ICJ"
This coming from a person running around begging countries not to recognize. Does not sound like a display of confidence to me.

I think it is Jeremic and Tadic getting nervous with Kostunica rising.

Well good luck with that. I am certainly not taking you statements seriously anymore.
(Simple Mind, 28 January 2010 10:01)

Did you ever?

Judging by all these posts from Albanians I can see that they are very nervous indeed.
They seem to have taken over this site of late. Why so many comments and proclamations about their "win" at the court?

Only nervous people repeat themselves this much.

I don't see Kosovo FM mr.Hyseni travelling round the world beging countrys to pick his side. That would make him a nervous man. Insteed the goverment in Prishtina is not rushing and seems to me very calm and profesional. They are just doing their job as a goverment of the territory of Kosovo(North included). Law and order is a must and right now the north city of Mitrovica is a lawless region wich criminal groups and illegal structures act wild. This is danger to our sociaty(serbs&albanians) and as a goverment Prishtina must act to protect the people of north from this danger.


As for the ICJ ruling there is nothing that sayes that it will be in favor of Serbia. Nothing at all! But whatever the outcome of the ruling will be it will not change much. Kosovo independence and the system of Kosovo is irreversble.

One point about the ICJ, any opinion with the exception of an unambiguous vote for the legality of the UDI is a victory for Serbia. Even if there is an ambiguous statement, that's a big victory for Serbia. Albanians believe that the whole world favors their UDI based on a bunch of lies such as Serbs would have exterminated Albanians if it weren't for NATO, and that it is impossible that the ICJ would disagree. Well, even if there is a slight disagreement, it's a loss for Kosovo and you WILL be back at the negotiating table. Make sure you bring plenty of water for the discussions.
(Daniel, 28 January 2010 12:43)
Well I like this view better than the other popular one-if the ICJ does not rule for Serbia it is corrupt.
It does seem that the Serbian side has accepted the fact that the ICJ is "not" going to give an overwhelming thumbs up for Serbia, so make the best of it you can.
I do not think anyone doubted that no matter what is said at the ICJ Serbia will spin it as a win for Serbia. Look how they have suddenly hailed a resolution that stripped them of any and all control over Kosovo with zero chance of ever regaining it, this is now a "proSerb" document.

"I don't see Kosovo FM mr.Hyseni travelling round the world beging countrys to pick his side."
Demi

That's because he can't get a visa! No white schengen, no travel!

It's called a premature victory lap. Interesting that this "victory lap" is taking him all the way to Africa.
Vuk, Why don't you hang tight until the court actually makes a ruling?
If Jeremic believes half of what he says, he is seriously delusional.

It's amazing to see Serbs accusing the other side of arrogance. I'm startled by the obvious.

Just wondering, did FM Jeremic called his counterpart FM Hyseni, to ask this question, if he nervous or not.

Indeed, Albanians seem very worried. What is this rubbish about if independence is illegal Kosovo will join Albania? If independence is illegal then how illegal is annexing Serbian territory into Albania. Even the US wouldn't support you with that.

Thats a good picture of Foreign Minister Vuk Jeremić he is showing how the Albanians are scared boo boo. That will convince some Serbs for sure.

"Great photo - he looks like The Count from the Muppets."
Andy UK

When you can't critiseze Vuk in any other way is this the best that you can do? Grow up! Even on a bad day Vuk looks far better than any albanian so called leader. You're not in a position to critisize anyone for his/her looks.
(Mikael C, 28 January 2010 11:52)

It was merely an observation! I quite like the bloke and thinks he does a decent job in difficult circumstances.

The Count is one of the better looking muppets anyway. As for me, I could be a male model or have a face like a bag of spanners for all you know.

James, UK - Good comment, and you are absolutely right about the potential repercussions of the ICJ supporting the UDI.

What worries me is that the ICJ may fail in its courage of conviction and come up with some sort of third way fudge, instead of just coming out and stating the obvious: That UN Resolution 1244 states that Kosovo is part of Serbia and the UDI is illegal.

I am certain that Serbia has no intention to try and run the province as part of its administration; but proper talks (not bolstered with false promises from the US) could lead to a successful solution and future for all involved.

I would love to see a Kosovo inquiry for Bliar to face - shame that it wasn't so high on the cause celebre scale as Iraq (which is rightfully being exposed, despite the illegal attack on Serbia being completely ignored).

But I do think that you and MikeC are being a bit harsh on Andy for making a light comment about Vuk's photo.

"...the potential repercussions of the ICJ supporting the UDI.

"What worries me is that the ICJ may fail in its courage of conviction and come up with some sort of third way fudge, instead of just coming out and stating the obvious: That UN Resolution 1244 states that Kosovo is part of Serbia and the UDI is illegal."

Kate,

Let me nail your argument there. You give yourself right to pre-judge the expected decision from the ICJ.
Why are you fearing when you know very well it was Serbia who approached the ICJ.

"I am certain that Serbia has no intention to try and run the province as part of its administration..."

Well that is pure speculation because the world knows the Serbia's background in not willing to run other nations....

"But I do think that you and MikeC are being a bit harsh on Andy for making a light comment about Vuk's photo.
(kate, 28 January 2010 17:17)

Don't worry about "Mike C". It doesn't bother me the individual. What concerns me is that Serbia is trying to dictate to ICJ. Serbia has never said that will accept any Opinion from ICJ. In other words it is not bother about the international law but purely its own interest. The funniest thing is that expect the Kosova's Albanians to talk again about the Status and on the other side trying very hard to undermine the Kosova's institution. We live in democracy....so we here these kind of stories.

I would certainly also get very nervous knowing that I stole something that doesn't belong to me and the all world knows it!

An real independent country and independent people do not have to repeat day after day that they are independant.

My question is very simple, what are your trying to prove here on this site day after day if your are soooooooo convinced about the legality of your theft!

I can also imagine that you are getting very nervous not to say more when your muppet show govnt is being denied entry to an important conference (important if you would be admitted, irrelevant if your are not...) or some others being unable to travel for fear to be arrested!

Indeed a very interesting notion of independance! Indepedance made in USA, deja vu...

What is funny is these alb posters who think they are so important that the world cares about them. Do they actually think the ICJ will risk throwing the world into more turmoil to please them? But seriously, I recommend this to the Serbian government: After you win the ICJ case and the us arrogantly refuses to withdraw recognition, humiliate the us at the next UN General Assembly: Call for a general vote to kick the us out of the Security Council since the us refuses to obey UN courts.

I have said it before and I say it again; Serbs, you should be very proud to have a foreign minister that many of the world leaders envy. Do not be mistaken, he will row the boat all the way to the harbour. As all seem to know, except very few, is that Kosovo have never been further away to be a country than now. Ask any EU diplomat, any Eulex international, any UN international if he or she thinks that Kosovo will be an own country some day. Ask ! The answear is a clear no. The thing is that all wants to keep the peace and thats a fact. BUT, they do not know how to proceed. Only to make it better for all people living in Kosovo, because the people will have a better life when all (or many) very high level gangsters have been put away. I have heard figures of about 10 years ahead but it will probably take longer. And for the ICJ, It will be in Serbias favor, no doubt since Kosovo is a part of that country since many years and ICJ dont want to draw new maps around the globe. Plus that this would be illegal. Wait and see. Print my comment, cut it out and put it away and you will see that my predictions were 100% true.

# Lenard,
were not Milosevic and Karadzic Montenegrins???

LOL

Your knowledge of the former Yugoslav states amuses me.

Especially, your prior comments on how Serbia attacked Slovenia and started the wars.
(Another Canadian Serb, 28 January 2010 12:21 What are you talking about Another Canadian Serb I never said anything about Slovenia or those two Serb wannabes. Unless you want me to comment.

It is more than obvious that Kosovars do not want to have nothing in common with Serbia any more, except being good neighbors in the future. These kinds of individuals (politicians) are exactly model of the Serbia’s unchangeable policy towards Kosovo. Thus, no ICJ ruling will convince Albanians to sit together with Jeremic and seek for other solutions. Seems that main goal of his, is how to drive crazy the neighborhood! Mr. Jeremic, don’t worry, just recently (10 years ago) we have been so desperate, terrified, scared to death, nervous etc. So please sop terrifying us any more, we just want to live as other human beings or nations, let say as you are for example.

He added that Serbia is now “most likely only a few months away from the ICJ opinion” in the Kosovo case.

So who is nervous then? You will get just what you asked for. Twist it all you like but if the opinion doesn't clearly say that UDI is illegal you have lost a lot of maneuvring ground. The strategy of blackmailing other countries with seccesion problems will diminuish extensively if this opinion doesn't go on Serbia's favor. The words " special case" will be very important in the ICJ opinion if one is delivered.

I don't see Kosovo FM mr.Hyseni travelling round the world beging countrys to pick his side. That would make him a nervous man.
(Demi, 28 January 2010 14:38)
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Why don't you open your eyes Demi as see that Hyseni just got the boot out of Ethiopia and the African Union summit. It's not that he doesn't want to lobby governments, he in fact can't travel much with his "Kosova" passport. That's why he hangs around corridors at the UN, trying to meet people. It's not very dignifying, is it?

This is from an article on B92 today.
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Kosovo Albanian government Foreign Minister Skender Hyseni and other members of a delegation sent by the government in Priština could not attend the African Union gathering.

FoNet news agency learned from the Serbian embassy in Addis Ababa that this happened because they were denied entry visas.

The decision came after Serbia’s intervention, the agency added.

Jeremić thanked his Ethiopian counterpart Seyoum Mesfin on this principled gesture, the report said.

K-Albanian posters are always making statements like

"Serbia has never said that will accept any Opinion from ICJ"

but have the Pristina authorities confirmed that THEY will recognise the court's verdict, whatever it is?

Or is this just double-standards?

"Great photo - he looks like The Count from the Muppets."
Andy UK

Good one Andy!

Ken - You don't seem to understand the fact that Jeremic and Tadic are fighting to protect 15% of Serbian territory.

This is not some nationalistic ruse; Kosovo is still legally within the boundaries of Serbia according to international law. They have every right to protest against the illegal declaration of independence.

Speaking as a British person, and not a Serb, I am also very keen to see an inquiry about the attack on Serbia as well as Iraq. There were so many lies told and laws broken on the Nato stage, that it will certainly be exposed in years to come.

What worries me is that the ICJ may fail in its courage of conviction and come up with some sort of third way fudge, instead of just coming out and stating the obvious: That UN Resolution 1244 states that Kosovo is part of Serbia and the UDI is illegal.

(kate, 28 January 2010 17:17)
Obvious for whom ? For you ?
Just asking because Serbia thinks the opposite is true. According to Serbia’s interpretation, resolution 1244 requests in practical terms that Serbia renounces a part of its sovereign territory.

Firstly Andy, stop making us look like idiots - Gordon Brown and co are already doing a good job of that without YOUR feeble assistance.
(James, UK, 28 January 2010 12:55)
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Chilcot’s inquiry into the Iraq war has revealed that it was illegal. Check http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/iraq/7025672/Lord-Goldsmith-warned-ministers-that-Iraq-war-would-be-illegal.html

The UK is currently quite sensitive to accusations of illegal activity. I wonder what happens after the ICJ ruling?

Well, even if there is a slight disagreement, it's a loss for Kosovo and you WILL be back at the negotiating table. Make sure you bring plenty of water for the discussions.
(Daniel, 28 January 2010 12:43)

You gotta love the Serb negotiating tactics, it's worked like charm for a couple of decades now.

# 'but we (K-albs) have fought and died for this independence, not just ag. the milosevic regime, but for the better part of the century.'

No, we (citizens of Jugoslavija, particularly Albanians) did pretty well thank you very much under Josip Broz Tito.

Some just LOVE the idea of being a victim right? So much so that nationality goes out of the window and all victims mould into one lifeform in emotive, passionate statehood. We are born.
We will be independent, and if we have to repress / torture others (Israel) then by God it doesn't matter - because WE WERE VICTIMS.

We didn't do it first, but by God if human rights have to suffer as a price for our liberty from victimhood then so be it....

And so the circle continues, because of damaged people and their damaged ideas.
(bganon, 28 January 2010 23:57)

that's just so bizarre not to mention intellectually dishonest on so many levels.

1- just because you come from ex-yugoslavia, you somehow speak for kosovar albanians?? you must be kidding!

2 -- i happen to have very fond memories, personally, of yugoslvia, from when i was growing up. on the other hand, many (not all) of my k-alb frnds do not. they speak of the years under rankovic, they speak of never feeling equal in the land of "southern slavs", they speak eloquently of the nightmare years that unfolded after the death of tito. the early years, of the "balkan wars" and the terror ag. alb native peoples are not actual memories but part of the collective consciousness of the people as well.

actually neither you nor i should be speaking "for" the k-alb people. personally i just got so sick of being "accused" (the other side's pov) of being alb., muslim, bla bla bla... i just started to use "we." but anyway, we should notice that each and every k-alb person does not feel the same about everything, which is perfectly normal and proper. except about indep. from yr beloved serbia -- on that there is near-unanimous agreement.

3-- about israel, that's a disingenuous bit of stooping. in case you actually have read my postings, of ALL people i have been consistently critical of israeli govt policies. not just about their little "fun" in gaza, and the settlements issue, but the whole pattern of their governing and refusal to compromise, and to facilitate a palestinian state. check some of my earlier postings just in case you don't believe me. and of course i am openly critical of the current israeli right-wing govt's "alliance" with the blgd regime which i find ethically indefensible. i've also sent such a critique to the israeli "liberal" press, but apparently they were not terribly open or interested.
(ring a bell?)

4-- how many times have i asked that the great intellectual dissidents of blgd NOT be marginalized here?! -- that i do not really feel up to the task of delivering their message and critique(s). but we can only do what we can do.

i'm sure that b-92 will print my response in the interest of fairness and free speech.

roberto
frisco

Jeremic: "There is no alternative to continued dialogue."

What dialogue??? Jeremic and Tadic are stirring up old Serbian provocations every time they talk about Kosovo in international settings. They are not inviting to any dialog, only conflict.

Kosovo is recognised by 34% of the worlds countries, that is more than a third. So your theory makes no sense.
(Ian, UK, 28 January 2010 13:26)
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Since a third is 33.3% you're right. .7% is a huge difference.

'but we (K-albs) have fought and died for this independence, not just ag. the milosevic regime, but for the better part of the century.'

No, we (citizens of Jugoslavija, particularly Albanians) did pretty well thank you very much under Josip Broz Tito.

Some just LOVE the idea of being a victim right? So much so that nationality goes out of the window and all victims mould into one lifeform in emotive, passionate statehood. We are born.
We will be independent, and if we have to repress / torture others (Israel) then by God it doesn't matter - because WE WERE VICTIMS.

We didn't do it first, but by God if human rights have to suffer as a price for our liberty from victimhood then so be it....

And so the circle continues, because of damaged people and their damaged ideas.

Everyone understands Serbia has historical and political rights in Kosovo. Only Albanians are blinded by ambition to this reality. The Kalbs are starting to look more and more like an obstacle to peace in the region.

One resolution HA HA HA.
We all know what resolution drives the K albanians nutty.

K-Albanian posters are always making statements like

"Serbia has never said that will accept any Opinion from ICJ"

but have the Pristina authorities confirmed that THEY will recognise the court's verdict, whatever it is?

Or is this just double-standards?
(bored, 29 January 2010 08:14)

Prishtina did not seek ICJ's opinon on the matter Belgrade did and if they choose not to abide by a non desirable ICJ opinion they wouldn't look hypocritical like the Serbian side that brought the case to the ICJ only to later state that they weren't going to abide by the outcome.

What dialogue??? Jeremic and Tadic are stirring up old Serbian provocations every time they talk about Kosovo in international settings. They are not inviting to any dialog, only conflict.
(Ken, 29 January 2010 10:58)
No my friend - provocation agains Serbia is creation by West on territory of Republic of Serbia illegal pseudostate.

"Serbia has never said that will accept any Opinion from ICJ"

but have the Pristina authorities confirmed that THEY will recognise the court's verdict, whatever it is?

Or is this just double-standards?
(bored, 29 January 2010 08:14)
bored there is a huge difference--Serbia brought the suit, Kosovo had no part in this request.
To be forced to go to court and say you will not honor the opinion is a lot different than-
Requesting an opinion and (immediately) stating that you will not honor it if it is not to your liking, then flying around the globe telling people they should wait until the opinion is rendered, however, we still do not plan to honor it.
Big difference, HUGE difference.

Since a third is 33.3% you're right. .7% is a huge difference.
(Peggy, 29 January 2010 07:44)
But countries controlling 75% of the world economy recognizing Kosovo vs the 25% that doesn't is a huge difference. After all Ethiopia and Somalia are not going to contribute much to the success or failure of Kosovo.

Since a third is 33.3% you're right. .7% is a huge difference.
(Peggy, 29 January 2010 07:44)
But countries controlling 75% of the world economy recognizing Kosovo vs the 25% that doesn't is a huge difference. After all Ethiopia and Somalia are not going to contribute much to the success or failure of Kosovo.
(doodah, 29 January 2010 20:20)
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Nice try at trying to bail him out but we both know that this is not what he meant.

Now your views are really warped. Do you honestly agree that if you are rich you are worth more than the poor man and you can do anything you want to him?
By saying that the rich countries support Kosovo, that certainly looks like this is what you are saying.
If not please explain what has the wealth of countries got to do with what it just.

By saying that the rich countries support Kosovo, that certainly looks like this is what you are saying.
If not please explain what has the wealth of countries got to do with what it just.
(Peggy, 30 January 2010 04:08)

Peggy, would your prefer to have the support of Russia or Saint Lucia.

Or if you are a European country and attempting to enter the EU, would you prefer the support of Spain or Tonga.

Whose support would help you more to advance your interests ?

By saying that the rich countries support Kosovo, that certainly looks like this is what you are saying.
If not please explain what has the wealth of countries got to do with what it just.
(Peggy, 30 January 2010 04:08)
The wealthiest countries have alot more than money. They have stability and success.
The US has had the same constitution for 225 years to change anything in it is complicated and takes months if not years, not like some countries where a before lunch voting session can alter the basis of their country.

Success also has an element of power. For a country like Kosovo to survive especially when just across the border are those whose goal is to destroy it, it is necessary to be backed by successful and powerful allies.