CoE organ trade investigator in “secret” Kosovo visit

Path to yellow house came from kla,uck and hardinaj and thaci,and voices of dead and tortured are finaly going to be heard.
(lids, 19 January 2010 14:55)

Mr Marty wasn't impressed by CIA and MI5, let alone be by criminals like thaci.

Good luck to him in finally uncovering the truth!

Ignoring thachi and co.only proves there are some who are not going to be intimidated or bought with blood money.
Path to yellow house came from kla,uck and hardinaj and thaci,and voices of dead and tortured are finaly going to be heard.

It will be good to have this investigation finally completed. If there are perpetrators, they should face justice. But, as President Tadic keeps reminding the world, responsibility is individual. Just as the Yugoslav army was not treated as a criminal organization because of the behavior of some of its officers and troops, and just as the Serb people cannot be treated as criminal because of what happened at Srebrenica, so too what may have happened at this Yellow House should have no consequences for the people of Kosovo or its government. And I emphasize, we're still talking about what "may" have happened.

Here is what the BBC have to say about it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aeEE4uzWgPA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UlYuTpos6AQ

“Serb people cannot be treated as criminal because of what happened at…(Amer, 19 January 2010 16:18)”
But we are Amer, even decades later, even for things that were proven 100% not to have happened.

Zoran,

Do you really believe that the Kosovo Albanians and Western politicians will or want to watch the BBC video? Even if they do they will deny it anyway. It is time for the Serbian special forces to locate and eliminate the ones responsible no matter where they are and no matter how old they are. You blink you you will loose forever and the Albanians and their accomplices will laugh for a long time.

I call this a "wild goose chase". Dick Marty can take Carla's book and shove it where sun don't shine.
(Kosova-USA, 19 January 2010 15:46)
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If you're angry now, just because there is some investigation, how angry are you going to be when the finding come out?

Why are you againt the investiation? What can it do to discredit Albanians if nothing wrong was done?

Why is an innocent man afraid of an investigation?

An innocent man would welcome an investigation if only to clear his name.

Ignoring thachi and co.only proves there are some who are not going to be intimidated or bought with blood money.
Path to yellow house came from kla,uck and hardinaj and thaci,and voices of dead and tortured are finaly going to be heard.
(lids, 19 January 2010 14:55)

I call this a "wild goose chase". Dick Marty can take Carla's book and shove it where sun don't shine.

has just done, but no one ever takes the lead. i personally have some specific leads from various interviews we've conducted, but no one seems to care. and naturally on this subject the blgd regime is utterly and completely silent.

so does that mean that we all bear some responsibility?

thank you.

roberto
frisco
(roberto, 19 January 2010 19:32)

If you are so convinced about your leads, I suggest that you contact Mr Marty, he is a very serious person and will certainly have a follow up like he is doing now with the organ trading, like he did with the CIA and MI5 secret prisons in EU like he did with the Italian Mafia together with Del Ponte!
If there is one person that doesn't bow under pressure it's him, so was Del Ponte for a long time until the US broke her back because she was getting too curious in enlarging her investigation not only in Serbia but in the all region.
They tried to do the same with Mr Marty but they had to back off and admit that secret prisons were indeed existing.

So, again, I would suggest to get in touch with him!

Good luck to the all truth

Secret ? which means: without asking so called officials of the so called state "KosovO" ?
"Kosovo Justice Ministry" MUAAAHAHAHAHA

>...what may have happened at this Yellow House should have no consequences for the people of Kosovo or its government. And I emphasize, we're still talking about what "may" have happened.>
(Amer, 19 January 2010 16:18

Amer: i both agree and differ with what you are writing here. on the one hand, i have always said that ALL serious war crimes allegations merit investigation. incl this one. whatever i may personally think of del ponte, her "tell-all" book, or the main parties pushing this investigation. we -- at least some of us -- are always trying to accurately reflect the historical record, and that won't happen if we just stop investigating crimes and criminals.

as for the issues of responsibility -- that, i'm afraid, is quite a bit more complicated. in this case it probably has to do w/structures w/in the KLA, with individual actors, with command responsibility (assuming they find crimes.) it is complicated, and we cannot be sure where it will lead, or stop.

from the oher side, it is quite a bit more complicated. the state of serbia (under the guise of yugoslavia/JNA) made war ag. its neighbors for the better part of 10 years. in that time, a great many war crimes were committed, often systematically, often by the same EXACT actors. so on the one hand you have the individual responsibility, but you also have the STATE responsibility. direct state responsibility. they are always tellng us that serbia is THE successor state to yugoslavia (a half-truth), but then never accepting responsibility for the crimes of the milosevic era, which were horrific and ubiquitous. the records of the hague make very clear the links with belgrade, despite the many attempts by post-milosevic govt.s to keep them "confidential" -- which is supposedly why the ICJ was unable to declare serbia DIRECTly responsible for the genocide at srebrenica, altho we all knew it and know it.

it is the area of broad responsibility of the Serb people that is still most troubling for me. i detest the idea that an entire nation should be held responsible for its govt leaders, for its criminals -- and yet there was a great deal of popular support for these crimes; still is. that is one reason i have included stacey sullivan's "Milosevic's Willing Executioners" articles in our own text. it is thought provoking and disturbing, and well worth reading, and discussing.

and finally (yes, war and peace...) comes the question of the remaining mass graves of albanians inside serbia proper. i have alluded to this more than once, as Dibrani has just done, but no one ever takes the lead. i personally have some specific leads from various interviews we've conducted, but no one seems to care. and naturally on this subject the blgd regime is utterly and completely silent.

so does that mean that we all bear some responsibility?

thank you.

roberto
frisco

If only this much time and effort were spent locating mass grave sites in and around Serbia and not diverting attention from the hideous mass crimes committed by Serbs in the 90's.

thank you, swiss. i think i'll follow yr suggestion.

we don't appear to agree on much, but every so often...

roberto
frisco
(roberto, 20 January 2010 00:08)

There can't be any disagreement when it comes to finding out the truth....,

for the rest, yes we disagree on the UDI, or at least on the way it was done and time will certainly show what was right or not!

Dick Marty's case is a desperate attempt by some to spread the blame to all.

How is so secret ,if every prime time news reports Marty's visit tonight???

So, again, I would suggest to get in touch with him!

Good luck to the all truth
(The Swiss, 19 January 2010 22:58)

thank you, swiss. i think i'll follow yr suggestion.

we don't appear to agree on much, but every so often...

roberto
frisco

It will be good to have this investigation finally completed. If there are perpetrators, they should face justice. But, as President Tadic keeps reminding the world, responsibility is individual. Just as the Yugoslav army was not treated as a criminal organization because of the behavior of some of its officers and troops, and just as the Serb people cannot be treated as criminal because of what happened at Srebrenica, so too what may have happened at this Yellow House should have no consequences for the people of Kosovo or its government. And I emphasize, we're still talking about what "may" have happened.
(Amer, 19 January 2010 16:18)
deny,deny,deny.As for srebrenica whay would serbs and the Serb army be branded criminals.3800 Serbian civilians slaughtered in and around srebrenica.God bless my brothers in Bosna who fought tooth and nail against overwhelming odds.Please stop bringing up same old hateful lies and propaganda.The freezer truck story was a natasa kandic specialty.The trepca mine genocide pit was debunked by spanish forensic team.Racak was a william "Priest Killer"walker invention.The story was also proven false by numerous forensics teams.The list goes on and on.The only story that seems to have any merit is the yellow house one.Why would delponte make this up when she hated Serbs,doesnt make sense.

and as always,we have a distraction when an UN meeting is scheduled!

strange no?
Not that much,because serbia will talk of the yellow house in order to forget UN decision...

Ignoring thachi and co.only proves there are some who are not going to be intimidated or bought with blood money.
Path to yellow house came from kla,uck and hardinaj and thaci,and voices of dead and tortured are finaly going to be heard.
(lids, 19 January 2010 14:55)

I call this a "wild goose chase". Dick Marty can take Carla's book and shove it where sun don't shine.

If only this much time and effort were spent locating mass grave sites in and around Serbia and not diverting attention from the hideous mass crimes committed by Serbs in the 90's.

It will be good to have this investigation finally completed. If there are perpetrators, they should face justice. But, as President Tadic keeps reminding the world, responsibility is individual. Just as the Yugoslav army was not treated as a criminal organization because of the behavior of some of its officers and troops, and just as the Serb people cannot be treated as criminal because of what happened at Srebrenica, so too what may have happened at this Yellow House should have no consequences for the people of Kosovo or its government. And I emphasize, we're still talking about what "may" have happened.

Ignoring thachi and co.only proves there are some who are not going to be intimidated or bought with blood money.
Path to yellow house came from kla,uck and hardinaj and thaci,and voices of dead and tortured are finaly going to be heard.

Path to yellow house came from kla,uck and hardinaj and thaci,and voices of dead and tortured are finaly going to be heard.
(lids, 19 January 2010 14:55)

Mr Marty wasn't impressed by CIA and MI5, let alone be by criminals like thaci.

Good luck to him in finally uncovering the truth!

Zoran,

Do you really believe that the Kosovo Albanians and Western politicians will or want to watch the BBC video? Even if they do they will deny it anyway. It is time for the Serbian special forces to locate and eliminate the ones responsible no matter where they are and no matter how old they are. You blink you you will loose forever and the Albanians and their accomplices will laugh for a long time.

How is so secret ,if every prime time news reports Marty's visit tonight???

>...what may have happened at this Yellow House should have no consequences for the people of Kosovo or its government. And I emphasize, we're still talking about what "may" have happened.>
(Amer, 19 January 2010 16:18

Amer: i both agree and differ with what you are writing here. on the one hand, i have always said that ALL serious war crimes allegations merit investigation. incl this one. whatever i may personally think of del ponte, her "tell-all" book, or the main parties pushing this investigation. we -- at least some of us -- are always trying to accurately reflect the historical record, and that won't happen if we just stop investigating crimes and criminals.

as for the issues of responsibility -- that, i'm afraid, is quite a bit more complicated. in this case it probably has to do w/structures w/in the KLA, with individual actors, with command responsibility (assuming they find crimes.) it is complicated, and we cannot be sure where it will lead, or stop.

from the oher side, it is quite a bit more complicated. the state of serbia (under the guise of yugoslavia/JNA) made war ag. its neighbors for the better part of 10 years. in that time, a great many war crimes were committed, often systematically, often by the same EXACT actors. so on the one hand you have the individual responsibility, but you also have the STATE responsibility. direct state responsibility. they are always tellng us that serbia is THE successor state to yugoslavia (a half-truth), but then never accepting responsibility for the crimes of the milosevic era, which were horrific and ubiquitous. the records of the hague make very clear the links with belgrade, despite the many attempts by post-milosevic govt.s to keep them "confidential" -- which is supposedly why the ICJ was unable to declare serbia DIRECTly responsible for the genocide at srebrenica, altho we all knew it and know it.

it is the area of broad responsibility of the Serb people that is still most troubling for me. i detest the idea that an entire nation should be held responsible for its govt leaders, for its criminals -- and yet there was a great deal of popular support for these crimes; still is. that is one reason i have included stacey sullivan's "Milosevic's Willing Executioners" articles in our own text. it is thought provoking and disturbing, and well worth reading, and discussing.

and finally (yes, war and peace...) comes the question of the remaining mass graves of albanians inside serbia proper. i have alluded to this more than once, as Dibrani has just done, but no one ever takes the lead. i personally have some specific leads from various interviews we've conducted, but no one seems to care. and naturally on this subject the blgd regime is utterly and completely silent.

so does that mean that we all bear some responsibility?

thank you.

roberto
frisco

Dick Marty's case is a desperate attempt by some to spread the blame to all.

“Serb people cannot be treated as criminal because of what happened at…(Amer, 19 January 2010 16:18)”
But we are Amer, even decades later, even for things that were proven 100% not to have happened.

Secret ? which means: without asking so called officials of the so called state "KosovO" ?
"Kosovo Justice Ministry" MUAAAHAHAHAHA

So, again, I would suggest to get in touch with him!

Good luck to the all truth
(The Swiss, 19 January 2010 22:58)

thank you, swiss. i think i'll follow yr suggestion.

we don't appear to agree on much, but every so often...

roberto
frisco

Here is what the BBC have to say about it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aeEE4uzWgPA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UlYuTpos6AQ

and as always,we have a distraction when an UN meeting is scheduled!

strange no?
Not that much,because serbia will talk of the yellow house in order to forget UN decision...

I call this a "wild goose chase". Dick Marty can take Carla's book and shove it where sun don't shine.
(Kosova-USA, 19 January 2010 15:46)
=====================

If you're angry now, just because there is some investigation, how angry are you going to be when the finding come out?

Why are you againt the investiation? What can it do to discredit Albanians if nothing wrong was done?

Why is an innocent man afraid of an investigation?

An innocent man would welcome an investigation if only to clear his name.

has just done, but no one ever takes the lead. i personally have some specific leads from various interviews we've conducted, but no one seems to care. and naturally on this subject the blgd regime is utterly and completely silent.

so does that mean that we all bear some responsibility?

thank you.

roberto
frisco
(roberto, 19 January 2010 19:32)

If you are so convinced about your leads, I suggest that you contact Mr Marty, he is a very serious person and will certainly have a follow up like he is doing now with the organ trading, like he did with the CIA and MI5 secret prisons in EU like he did with the Italian Mafia together with Del Ponte!
If there is one person that doesn't bow under pressure it's him, so was Del Ponte for a long time until the US broke her back because she was getting too curious in enlarging her investigation not only in Serbia but in the all region.
They tried to do the same with Mr Marty but they had to back off and admit that secret prisons were indeed existing.

So, again, I would suggest to get in touch with him!

Good luck to the all truth

thank you, swiss. i think i'll follow yr suggestion.

we don't appear to agree on much, but every so often...

roberto
frisco
(roberto, 20 January 2010 00:08)

There can't be any disagreement when it comes to finding out the truth....,

for the rest, yes we disagree on the UDI, or at least on the way it was done and time will certainly show what was right or not!

It will be good to have this investigation finally completed. If there are perpetrators, they should face justice. But, as President Tadic keeps reminding the world, responsibility is individual. Just as the Yugoslav army was not treated as a criminal organization because of the behavior of some of its officers and troops, and just as the Serb people cannot be treated as criminal because of what happened at Srebrenica, so too what may have happened at this Yellow House should have no consequences for the people of Kosovo or its government. And I emphasize, we're still talking about what "may" have happened.
(Amer, 19 January 2010 16:18)
deny,deny,deny.As for srebrenica whay would serbs and the Serb army be branded criminals.3800 Serbian civilians slaughtered in and around srebrenica.God bless my brothers in Bosna who fought tooth and nail against overwhelming odds.Please stop bringing up same old hateful lies and propaganda.The freezer truck story was a natasa kandic specialty.The trepca mine genocide pit was debunked by spanish forensic team.Racak was a william "Priest Killer"walker invention.The story was also proven false by numerous forensics teams.The list goes on and on.The only story that seems to have any merit is the yellow house one.Why would delponte make this up when she hated Serbs,doesnt make sense.