“Serbia has no authority in Kosovo”

“Serbia has no authority in Kosovo”

Thats right!

not only in northern Kosovo but through out all of our Serbian province,” Bogdanović said.

If that is the case, why you were kicked out of serbian province few days ago?

Is the U.S. emissary, Mr. Dell,to 'kosova' (sic) out of his mind?
Who is he or his Regime to talk about Serbian illegality?
Wasn't his Regime, two decades ago, that installed that tyrannical William Walker as covert OSCE head in Kosovo and who went on to connive and fabricate the entire 'Racak' farce?

I also think that Mr.Dell, in making such ridiculous comments, should worry about his reputation as a credible diplomat, should his government ever decide to post him to a country.

MB,Ireland

Serbia must understand once for all that it has lost Kosovo long time ago which was confirmed by UN, EU,NATO and Contact Group in 1999. It must understand that after hundred years of opression of Kosovo people and after taking care only of territory, power and politics, the period is over once for all. Serbia, if it really believes it does belong the EU family and not to the old concervative, socialist, oppresive team of countries, it must first apologize to all nations in the Western Balkans for its former Milosevic regime brutal traumas imposed on all, second, it must stop its propaganda and myths and to explain to its own people what it did wrong and why now it wants indeed the equal and friendly relations with all its neighbours, including Kosovo people. It must say that it will never act towards them as towards slaves, second class citizens and will respect them. The same Kosovo people will have to say as a reciprocial step. Only then Serbia has a chance to convince Europe that it does deserve to become one of them.

"If that is the case, why you were kicked out of serbian province few days ago"
Kosova-USA

That's because Serbian territory is currently occupied by albanians who have 10 children per family and are because of that a majority in the province. To gain control of Kosovo the albanians have promised the US to use the territory for military purposes. Once the military objectives of the americans and/or the next time the world is in chaos Serbs will return what is theirs.

Respect!! The WEST should respect Serbia’s territorial integrity and sovereignty. Don’t force the Serbs to be angry. Don’t let the Russians to be angry as well.

I think Mr. Bell is a little upset he wasn't asked to become an ambassador of a real country.

The Serbs of central and southern Kosovo are indeed put into a very difficult situation. They are isolated from the rest of Serbia. However North Kosovo will NEVER become integrated into Kosovo Albanian institutions. When the West realizes that, they will compare the Serbs of Kosovo to the Serbs of Republika Srpska and cite "destructive behavior". However there will be no land swap either, Serbia will have strong institutions in North Kosovo while claiming the whole province is theirs, even though they don't have control of all of it.

As for the Serbs of south and central Kosovo, my best advice would be for them to all move to North Kosovo. It's a shame that we cannot live peacefully in our own province but for time being this is reality. It would be a shame to give up Strpce and Gracanica, but without a link to Serbia, we are just isolated. And me being from Pristina, I would rather give it all up than willfully live in an Albanian society controlled by ex-KLA terrorists.

For now all we have is a strong link in Kosovo in the north, we will get the rest back in the next war (and yes, there will be another war). It may not happen soon, but there is no way we will let you keep it forever. Either Kosovo is Serbia, or Serbia takes the whole region down with it!

This was also true when the SS came to Serbia. Howthing change.

Dell needs to leave his little bubble and travel north of the Ibar for a little reality check now and again. Until he does, he just another French soldier from Monty Python and the Holy Grail.

"Dell said that all of Serbia’s authority in Kosovo ended in 1999, according to the UN Security Council Resolution 1244."

Mr Dell - mayby You must read Resolution 1244 before You speak. Do You see words:

"After withdrawal, an agreed number of Yogoslav and Serbian personnel will be permited to return to perform following functions:
- Liason with international civil mission and the international security presence
- Marking/clearing minefields
- Maintaining a presence at Serb patrimonial sities
- Maintaining a presence at key border crossings."

If You are so big Resolution 1244 defender - so Serb forces must back to kosovo.

It's time to send the VS into the border region. Why should Serbia respect the Kumanovo agreement when the west refuses to respect Resolution 1244. We can expect condemnation of the west next week in the Security Council. Maybe Serbia can buy nuclear weapons from Iran when Iran gets the bomb.

If the K albs had authority over Serbs they would have no need for "integration strategies".
Remember when the K albs called their UDI "reality on the ground". The reality on the ground is the K albs have no hope of controlling the Serb population.

well said mr. dell!

To MB:
As ridicule as it may seem Dell's statements are backed up by facts, power and will unlike your postings. As you show so much interest on the issues related to The Balkans I call upon you to get more informed by studying the other side of argument as this will lead you to make comprehensive and more reality checked comments.

I worked for four years in Kosovo after the war and visit there every three months on my gov't official affairs. I travel to the north and there I talk to the people directly and thus I see their concerns. Jobs, jobs, jobs that is what they require and nothing more. I am glad to announce that my gov't and other ruled participating countries very soon will announce a far reaching plan for development of the area just as Mr Faith had announced recently. Both gov'ts of Kosovo and Serbia will be required to participate in order to claim funds and credit. Mr Ban Ki Moon knows all this.
This is just to keep you better informed.

Mr.Dell should bear in mind that Tadic will not be forever Serbia´s pres.

he should choose his words more carefully.

Milan, newsflash we are not Kurds and this is Europe. Despite the same policies Serbia and Iraq had such things are less tolerable in Europe than in other continents. That is a fact whether you like it or not. I for one am all for a Kurdish state but that doesn't necessarily mean that no other ethnicity should be independent because the Kurds aren't independent. If that was the case there should be no East Timor and Eritrea either yet I don't see the Serbs here complaining why East Timor and Eritrea are independent while the Kurds or Tibet are not.

CG,

Giving us the Sudeten-Germans as an example do you think you will be able to expuls 2 million K-Albanians from their homes at a later date just as you already tried it in 1999 with 1 million?

Mirub,

If you've been to northern Kosovo as you say, it should be painfully obvious to you it is completely detached from the rest of Kosovo and almost completely integrated with the rest of Serbia. Yes everyone is talking jobs, jobs, and more jobs, but that does not equate to anything Pristina can offer them. Whatever government you work for can plan all they want for "reintegrating" the north, but it will come to nothing since Pristina *has* nothing up there. In the same fashion as Albanians argue that Belgrade can't give them anything they already don't have, Serbs, especially Serbs of northern Kosovo can argue that Pristina can't give them anything they're not getting from Belgrade. You can't claim to be that informed if you actually believe there's going to be any progress in extending Pristina's authority north of the Ibar. At best 99% of the population will simply ignore them.

(Mirub Jager, 16 January 2010 20:47)
If the US had the power to change the current status it would do it in a micro second, but it does’nt and so they make useless warm and fuzzy statements every so often to appease the Albanians – we are on the job of unifying “Kosova”, blah, blah. Let’s get one thing clear and that is Kosovo belongs to Serbia and this is your fear that this passion is not dying, but remains bubbling on. There is no letting Kosovo go and there is no recognising theft lead by the world’s greatest bandit, the US, and Dell knows and fear that this passion is not ending regardless of the number of “western leaning politicians in Belgrade”. The US attempted to steal Iraqi oil but have had their finger badly burnt on that front.
The EU tried to establish borders between Serbia and Kosovo and what happened there? The temporary building were burnt to the ground and no more borders. So tell me how is Feith going to establish this grand plan? Like the US the EU have turned into windbags of the greatest order.
If you don’t understand, well here it is: no one will invest a cent in Kosovo until Belgrade gives it the green light. What funds will Serbia or “govt of Kosovo” access? If you’re that naïve I’m sorry for you but the wallet is empty and there are no funds left unless Serbia borrows or guarantees Kosovo’s borrowings.
Why hasn’t the great US/EU provided this “money” soon after “recognising Kosovo” because there is none and I keep repeating on this forum again and again, forget this “special money” and get the US to open a GM or Ford factory. For the US purist that see this as communism, get the US to pay any GM or Ford losses as foreign aid. There will be only deadly silence on this front.

(Klara, 16 January 2010 17:39)
Who cares about the UE family? I don’t consider a thief a member of my family, maybe Albanians are different.
You talk of oppression of Albanians, well if they were so oppressed why did they leave Albania? There were no Albanians in large numbers in Kosovo prior to WW2, but started to leave Albania because living conditions were better in Yugoslavia in the 1950s. The vast majority of Albanians are either immigrants or first generation children of those immigrants.
The Albanians were so oppressed by Serbs that Serbia had factories such as Zastava manufacturing car parts and they had free services that was not available anywhere else in Serbia, then they had workers in Serbia “donating” a day’s pay for the improvement of Kosovo for many years. Now all that’s gone and Kosovo is a desolate place without a future for its young people.
Kosovo will remain like this forever and ever, if necessary – no jobs, no investment and nothing year in year out!

(Klara, 16 January 2010 17:39)

Klara - tell me how brutal was Saddam Hussein regime?? Tell me how many thousands of Kurds was killed by Saddam forces?? Tell me how many of Kurdish peoples was victims of gas attacks?? And finally tell me, why after these brutal events, after tens of years Kurdish genocide US president said "NO" to kurdish attemps for create independent Kurdish state in Northern Iraq?? Kurds have any their own national state. And were under oppresion of all states where they live. But US president offered them only autonomy in Northern Iraq.
Why USA created SECOND Albanian pseudostate on territory of Serbia if Kurds can have NONE?? Only becouse Milosević?? No way my friend. They have their own interests - they need to create their own puppet state, US base on the Balkan Peninsula.

Klara and Mirub

Kosovo is blocked everywhere and de jure still Serbian.
That is the reason why you come to Serbian sites to "convince" us.
Klara,you Germans also thought that the reality on the ground in 1939 said that Sudetenland is part of Germany and that the Czechs ought to accept ot.
Go figure what happened 6 years later...
Make no mistake,we will improve pur economic and politic position and wait until the right time comes for us,Russia and China are stronger every day while the US might is fading away...

Mr Dell - mayby You must read Resolution 1244 before You speak. Do You see words:

"After withdrawal, an agreed number of Yogoslav and Serbian personnel will be permited to return to perform following functions:
- Liason with international civil mission and the international security presence
- Marking/clearing minefields
- Maintaining a presence at Serb patrimonial sities
- Maintaining a presence at key border crossings."

If You are so big Resolution 1244 defender - so Serb forces must back to kosovo.
(Milan, 16 January 2010 17:29)
Milan, I notice that you conveniently omitted the following footnote to 1244,
Return of personnel for the four functions specified above will be under the supervision of the international security presence and will be limited to a small agreed number (hundreds, not thousands);
Not only would any forces returning have to be approved by the international presence but they would have to be under the supervision of the international presence, and the 4 tasks listed are menial tasks that carry no authority,
So if you want to send them, say "please may I"

"Serbia must understand once for all that it has lost Kosovo long time ago which was confirmed by UN, EU,NATO and Contact Group in 1999. (Klara, 16 January 2010 17:39) "

Serbia lost Kosovo? The north is still overwhelmingly pro-Belgrade. It would be more accurate for you to say that actually Prisitna never had north Kosovo. Also don't forget that 1244 recognizes Serbia's sovereignty over Kosovo (the whole, not just the north)

“Serbia has no authority in Kosovo”

True, 1244 transfer authority to administer Kosovo from Serbia to the UN. But 1244 also recognizes Belgrade's sovereignty over the province -- this little bit of info which Dell conveniently overlooked.

Morub Jager wrote:

To MB:
As ridicule as it may seem Dell's statements are backed up by facts, power and will unlike your postings. As you show so much interest on the issues related to The Balkans I call upon you to get more informed by studying the other side of argument as this will lead you to make comprehensive and more reality checked comments.

What makes you think that he doesn't know the other side and that's precisely why he backs the Serbs?

I seem to always hear how if someone back the Serbs they cannot possibly know the argument from the other side. Nothing can be further from the truth because we were bombarded with "facts" from the other side during the entire 90s. The only thing in the media was how Serbs bad/Albanians good etc.

Rest assured we all know the other side very well. Some of us just choose to use our own brains and decide for ourselves what we see as the complete truth.

Respect!! The WEST should respect Serbia’s territorial integrity and sovereignty. Don’t force the Serbs to be angry. Don’t let the Russians to be angry as well.

“Serbia has no authority in Kosovo”

Thats right!

not only in northern Kosovo but through out all of our Serbian province,” Bogdanović said.

If that is the case, why you were kicked out of serbian province few days ago?

I think Mr. Bell is a little upset he wasn't asked to become an ambassador of a real country.

The Serbs of central and southern Kosovo are indeed put into a very difficult situation. They are isolated from the rest of Serbia. However North Kosovo will NEVER become integrated into Kosovo Albanian institutions. When the West realizes that, they will compare the Serbs of Kosovo to the Serbs of Republika Srpska and cite "destructive behavior". However there will be no land swap either, Serbia will have strong institutions in North Kosovo while claiming the whole province is theirs, even though they don't have control of all of it.

As for the Serbs of south and central Kosovo, my best advice would be for them to all move to North Kosovo. It's a shame that we cannot live peacefully in our own province but for time being this is reality. It would be a shame to give up Strpce and Gracanica, but without a link to Serbia, we are just isolated. And me being from Pristina, I would rather give it all up than willfully live in an Albanian society controlled by ex-KLA terrorists.

For now all we have is a strong link in Kosovo in the north, we will get the rest back in the next war (and yes, there will be another war). It may not happen soon, but there is no way we will let you keep it forever. Either Kosovo is Serbia, or Serbia takes the whole region down with it!

Is the U.S. emissary, Mr. Dell,to 'kosova' (sic) out of his mind?
Who is he or his Regime to talk about Serbian illegality?
Wasn't his Regime, two decades ago, that installed that tyrannical William Walker as covert OSCE head in Kosovo and who went on to connive and fabricate the entire 'Racak' farce?

I also think that Mr.Dell, in making such ridiculous comments, should worry about his reputation as a credible diplomat, should his government ever decide to post him to a country.

MB,Ireland

Serbia must understand once for all that it has lost Kosovo long time ago which was confirmed by UN, EU,NATO and Contact Group in 1999. It must understand that after hundred years of opression of Kosovo people and after taking care only of territory, power and politics, the period is over once for all. Serbia, if it really believes it does belong the EU family and not to the old concervative, socialist, oppresive team of countries, it must first apologize to all nations in the Western Balkans for its former Milosevic regime brutal traumas imposed on all, second, it must stop its propaganda and myths and to explain to its own people what it did wrong and why now it wants indeed the equal and friendly relations with all its neighbours, including Kosovo people. It must say that it will never act towards them as towards slaves, second class citizens and will respect them. The same Kosovo people will have to say as a reciprocial step. Only then Serbia has a chance to convince Europe that it does deserve to become one of them.

"If that is the case, why you were kicked out of serbian province few days ago"
Kosova-USA

That's because Serbian territory is currently occupied by albanians who have 10 children per family and are because of that a majority in the province. To gain control of Kosovo the albanians have promised the US to use the territory for military purposes. Once the military objectives of the americans and/or the next time the world is in chaos Serbs will return what is theirs.

It's time to send the VS into the border region. Why should Serbia respect the Kumanovo agreement when the west refuses to respect Resolution 1244. We can expect condemnation of the west next week in the Security Council. Maybe Serbia can buy nuclear weapons from Iran when Iran gets the bomb.

well said mr. dell!

This was also true when the SS came to Serbia. Howthing change.

"Dell said that all of Serbia’s authority in Kosovo ended in 1999, according to the UN Security Council Resolution 1244."

Mr Dell - mayby You must read Resolution 1244 before You speak. Do You see words:

"After withdrawal, an agreed number of Yogoslav and Serbian personnel will be permited to return to perform following functions:
- Liason with international civil mission and the international security presence
- Marking/clearing minefields
- Maintaining a presence at Serb patrimonial sities
- Maintaining a presence at key border crossings."

If You are so big Resolution 1244 defender - so Serb forces must back to kosovo.

Dell needs to leave his little bubble and travel north of the Ibar for a little reality check now and again. Until he does, he just another French soldier from Monty Python and the Holy Grail.

If the K albs had authority over Serbs they would have no need for "integration strategies".
Remember when the K albs called their UDI "reality on the ground". The reality on the ground is the K albs have no hope of controlling the Serb population.

Mr.Dell should bear in mind that Tadic will not be forever Serbia´s pres.

he should choose his words more carefully.

Klara and Mirub

Kosovo is blocked everywhere and de jure still Serbian.
That is the reason why you come to Serbian sites to "convince" us.
Klara,you Germans also thought that the reality on the ground in 1939 said that Sudetenland is part of Germany and that the Czechs ought to accept ot.
Go figure what happened 6 years later...
Make no mistake,we will improve pur economic and politic position and wait until the right time comes for us,Russia and China are stronger every day while the US might is fading away...

(Klara, 16 January 2010 17:39)

Klara - tell me how brutal was Saddam Hussein regime?? Tell me how many thousands of Kurds was killed by Saddam forces?? Tell me how many of Kurdish peoples was victims of gas attacks?? And finally tell me, why after these brutal events, after tens of years Kurdish genocide US president said "NO" to kurdish attemps for create independent Kurdish state in Northern Iraq?? Kurds have any their own national state. And were under oppresion of all states where they live. But US president offered them only autonomy in Northern Iraq.
Why USA created SECOND Albanian pseudostate on territory of Serbia if Kurds can have NONE?? Only becouse Milosević?? No way my friend. They have their own interests - they need to create their own puppet state, US base on the Balkan Peninsula.

To MB:
As ridicule as it may seem Dell's statements are backed up by facts, power and will unlike your postings. As you show so much interest on the issues related to The Balkans I call upon you to get more informed by studying the other side of argument as this will lead you to make comprehensive and more reality checked comments.

I worked for four years in Kosovo after the war and visit there every three months on my gov't official affairs. I travel to the north and there I talk to the people directly and thus I see their concerns. Jobs, jobs, jobs that is what they require and nothing more. I am glad to announce that my gov't and other ruled participating countries very soon will announce a far reaching plan for development of the area just as Mr Faith had announced recently. Both gov'ts of Kosovo and Serbia will be required to participate in order to claim funds and credit. Mr Ban Ki Moon knows all this.
This is just to keep you better informed.

CG,

Giving us the Sudeten-Germans as an example do you think you will be able to expuls 2 million K-Albanians from their homes at a later date just as you already tried it in 1999 with 1 million?

(Mirub Jager, 16 January 2010 20:47)
If the US had the power to change the current status it would do it in a micro second, but it does’nt and so they make useless warm and fuzzy statements every so often to appease the Albanians – we are on the job of unifying “Kosova”, blah, blah. Let’s get one thing clear and that is Kosovo belongs to Serbia and this is your fear that this passion is not dying, but remains bubbling on. There is no letting Kosovo go and there is no recognising theft lead by the world’s greatest bandit, the US, and Dell knows and fear that this passion is not ending regardless of the number of “western leaning politicians in Belgrade”. The US attempted to steal Iraqi oil but have had their finger badly burnt on that front.
The EU tried to establish borders between Serbia and Kosovo and what happened there? The temporary building were burnt to the ground and no more borders. So tell me how is Feith going to establish this grand plan? Like the US the EU have turned into windbags of the greatest order.
If you don’t understand, well here it is: no one will invest a cent in Kosovo until Belgrade gives it the green light. What funds will Serbia or “govt of Kosovo” access? If you’re that naïve I’m sorry for you but the wallet is empty and there are no funds left unless Serbia borrows or guarantees Kosovo’s borrowings.
Why hasn’t the great US/EU provided this “money” soon after “recognising Kosovo” because there is none and I keep repeating on this forum again and again, forget this “special money” and get the US to open a GM or Ford factory. For the US purist that see this as communism, get the US to pay any GM or Ford losses as foreign aid. There will be only deadly silence on this front.

(Klara, 16 January 2010 17:39)
Who cares about the UE family? I don’t consider a thief a member of my family, maybe Albanians are different.
You talk of oppression of Albanians, well if they were so oppressed why did they leave Albania? There were no Albanians in large numbers in Kosovo prior to WW2, but started to leave Albania because living conditions were better in Yugoslavia in the 1950s. The vast majority of Albanians are either immigrants or first generation children of those immigrants.
The Albanians were so oppressed by Serbs that Serbia had factories such as Zastava manufacturing car parts and they had free services that was not available anywhere else in Serbia, then they had workers in Serbia “donating” a day’s pay for the improvement of Kosovo for many years. Now all that’s gone and Kosovo is a desolate place without a future for its young people.
Kosovo will remain like this forever and ever, if necessary – no jobs, no investment and nothing year in year out!

Morub Jager wrote:

To MB:
As ridicule as it may seem Dell's statements are backed up by facts, power and will unlike your postings. As you show so much interest on the issues related to The Balkans I call upon you to get more informed by studying the other side of argument as this will lead you to make comprehensive and more reality checked comments.

What makes you think that he doesn't know the other side and that's precisely why he backs the Serbs?

I seem to always hear how if someone back the Serbs they cannot possibly know the argument from the other side. Nothing can be further from the truth because we were bombarded with "facts" from the other side during the entire 90s. The only thing in the media was how Serbs bad/Albanians good etc.

Rest assured we all know the other side very well. Some of us just choose to use our own brains and decide for ourselves what we see as the complete truth.

Mr Dell - mayby You must read Resolution 1244 before You speak. Do You see words:

"After withdrawal, an agreed number of Yogoslav and Serbian personnel will be permited to return to perform following functions:
- Liason with international civil mission and the international security presence
- Marking/clearing minefields
- Maintaining a presence at Serb patrimonial sities
- Maintaining a presence at key border crossings."

If You are so big Resolution 1244 defender - so Serb forces must back to kosovo.
(Milan, 16 January 2010 17:29)
Milan, I notice that you conveniently omitted the following footnote to 1244,
Return of personnel for the four functions specified above will be under the supervision of the international security presence and will be limited to a small agreed number (hundreds, not thousands);
Not only would any forces returning have to be approved by the international presence but they would have to be under the supervision of the international presence, and the 4 tasks listed are menial tasks that carry no authority,
So if you want to send them, say "please may I"

Mirub,

If you've been to northern Kosovo as you say, it should be painfully obvious to you it is completely detached from the rest of Kosovo and almost completely integrated with the rest of Serbia. Yes everyone is talking jobs, jobs, and more jobs, but that does not equate to anything Pristina can offer them. Whatever government you work for can plan all they want for "reintegrating" the north, but it will come to nothing since Pristina *has* nothing up there. In the same fashion as Albanians argue that Belgrade can't give them anything they already don't have, Serbs, especially Serbs of northern Kosovo can argue that Pristina can't give them anything they're not getting from Belgrade. You can't claim to be that informed if you actually believe there's going to be any progress in extending Pristina's authority north of the Ibar. At best 99% of the population will simply ignore them.

“Serbia has no authority in Kosovo”

True, 1244 transfer authority to administer Kosovo from Serbia to the UN. But 1244 also recognizes Belgrade's sovereignty over the province -- this little bit of info which Dell conveniently overlooked.

Milan, newsflash we are not Kurds and this is Europe. Despite the same policies Serbia and Iraq had such things are less tolerable in Europe than in other continents. That is a fact whether you like it or not. I for one am all for a Kurdish state but that doesn't necessarily mean that no other ethnicity should be independent because the Kurds aren't independent. If that was the case there should be no East Timor and Eritrea either yet I don't see the Serbs here complaining why East Timor and Eritrea are independent while the Kurds or Tibet are not.

"Serbia must understand once for all that it has lost Kosovo long time ago which was confirmed by UN, EU,NATO and Contact Group in 1999. (Klara, 16 January 2010 17:39) "

Serbia lost Kosovo? The north is still overwhelmingly pro-Belgrade. It would be more accurate for you to say that actually Prisitna never had north Kosovo. Also don't forget that 1244 recognizes Serbia's sovereignty over Kosovo (the whole, not just the north)