Sarkozy says burka “not welcome” in France

I have to say iam with Sarcozy on this one.Burka is not a religious symbol but rather a sign of domination and subservience.It's the loss of women's identity imposed from fundamentalist men.

Forcing women to wear the Burka completely reflects medieval notions of womanhood as propagated by Islamic zealots it's barbaric, discriminatory and has no place in a 21st century Europe.

But it would be great on a bad hair day!

I agree with Leonidis on this one, but there are lots of practises which are supposedly religious which actually (at varying degrees) take away human rights.

Where do you draw the line?

In the UK, a major airline stopped an employee wearing a cross to work (around her neck, not on her back) and wouldn't accept that it was as important to her as a turban to a Sikh.

I would have thought that both should be acceptable in a multi-cultural society.

But then neither detract from human rights in the way that Leonidis rightly describes the Burka.

But, Leonidis, what would you say to a woman who said she wanted to wear a Burka and it was her right? Or to a man who would no longer allow his wife to leave the house because she was not wearing a Burka?

She wouldn't complain and her life would become even more subservient.

But, Leonidis, what would you say to a woman who said she wanted to wear a Burka and it was her right? Or to a man who would no longer allow his wife to leave the house because she was not wearing a Burka?

She wouldn't complain and her life would become even more subservient.
(kate, 14 January 2010 19:43)
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I would put it the same way as the Australian premier put
it recently.
"When you come to our
country you must integrate and respect the way of life of the Australian people.If you cannot integrate and you want to live the same way as in your mother country then you must go back home".

I guess France is looking for a another round of riots ,looting and burning if the law passes. Either way a great gulf is developing between French white-begets and Muslim crescent-croissants in France. All head to your respective ghettos when you see the smoke and fires. Come out swinging then "thinking" again what exactly are you fighting for. What is the real subconscious underlying pogroms in France between the two tribes.

Bra's were once considered extremely sexist, demeaning and many women burned them.

Somehow bra's don't seem so horrible anymore. Times change.

A Burka might come to be viewed as the great equalizer someday.

At least women would not be judged by their looks but by what they have to say. It’s a proven fact that more attractive people (men and women) make more money. That’s clearly discrimination based on being “Beautifully Challenged” and a Burka might solve all our problems, for men and women alike.

Where do I get mine?

(Ian, UK, 15 January 2010 02:15)

Aha,
look at these "democratic" Westerners a la Ian.
Helping and defending Muslim Albanians terrorists destroying and looting churches in Kosovo under the parol of "humanity" but at home they want to regulate clothing for Muslim people...
Something like that is actually done in Afghanistan,maybe the Westerners learned from their culture,could be a step forward for them..

Well done Sarkozy. I come from Bradford in West Yorkshire and I've seen Muslim women drive in Burkas, it is dangerous, it obscures your vision. Also if I were to drive wearing a mask I'm sure the Police would pull me over. I'm essentially doing the same thing, covering my face and hiding my identity. It is not religious dress at all, it is just oppression of women.
(Ian, UK, 15 January 2010 02:15)

Indeed, Ian. Back in the State we have had a problem of pulling women over wearing these costumes, and they do not want to remove them to let us identify that they are, in fact, the person pictured on the license. It is rather ironic that in places where the burka is mandatory, women are not even allowed to drive! Now it seems some want the best of both worlds... I applaud mr. Sarkozy in this matter as well.

Well done Sarkozy. I come from Bradford in West Yorkshire and I've seen Muslim women drive in Burkas, it is dangerous, it obscures your vision. Also if I were to drive wearing a mask I'm sure the Police would pull me over. I'm essentially doing the same thing, covering my face and hiding my identity. It is not religious dress at all, it is just oppression of women.

Well done Sarkozy. I come from Bradford in West Yorkshire and I've seen Muslim women drive in Burkas, it is dangerous, it obscures your vision. Also if I were to drive wearing a mask I'm sure the Police would pull me over. I'm essentially doing the same thing, covering my face and hiding my identity. It is not religious dress at all, it is just oppression of women.

I guess France is looking for a another round of riots ,looting and burning if the law passes. Either way a great gulf is developing between French white-begets and Muslim crescent-croissants in France. All head to your respective ghettos when you see the smoke and fires. Come out swinging then "thinking" again what exactly are you fighting for. What is the real subconscious underlying pogroms in France between the two tribes.

I have to say iam with Sarcozy on this one.Burka is not a religious symbol but rather a sign of domination and subservience.It's the loss of women's identity imposed from fundamentalist men.

Forcing women to wear the Burka completely reflects medieval notions of womanhood as propagated by Islamic zealots it's barbaric, discriminatory and has no place in a 21st century Europe.

But it would be great on a bad hair day!

I agree with Leonidis on this one, but there are lots of practises which are supposedly religious which actually (at varying degrees) take away human rights.

Where do you draw the line?

In the UK, a major airline stopped an employee wearing a cross to work (around her neck, not on her back) and wouldn't accept that it was as important to her as a turban to a Sikh.

I would have thought that both should be acceptable in a multi-cultural society.

But then neither detract from human rights in the way that Leonidis rightly describes the Burka.

But, Leonidis, what would you say to a woman who said she wanted to wear a Burka and it was her right? Or to a man who would no longer allow his wife to leave the house because she was not wearing a Burka?

She wouldn't complain and her life would become even more subservient.

Well done Sarkozy. I come from Bradford in West Yorkshire and I've seen Muslim women drive in Burkas, it is dangerous, it obscures your vision. Also if I were to drive wearing a mask I'm sure the Police would pull me over. I'm essentially doing the same thing, covering my face and hiding my identity. It is not religious dress at all, it is just oppression of women.
(Ian, UK, 15 January 2010 02:15)

Indeed, Ian. Back in the State we have had a problem of pulling women over wearing these costumes, and they do not want to remove them to let us identify that they are, in fact, the person pictured on the license. It is rather ironic that in places where the burka is mandatory, women are not even allowed to drive! Now it seems some want the best of both worlds... I applaud mr. Sarkozy in this matter as well.

But, Leonidis, what would you say to a woman who said she wanted to wear a Burka and it was her right? Or to a man who would no longer allow his wife to leave the house because she was not wearing a Burka?

She wouldn't complain and her life would become even more subservient.
(kate, 14 January 2010 19:43)
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I would put it the same way as the Australian premier put
it recently.
"When you come to our
country you must integrate and respect the way of life of the Australian people.If you cannot integrate and you want to live the same way as in your mother country then you must go back home".

Bra's were once considered extremely sexist, demeaning and many women burned them.

Somehow bra's don't seem so horrible anymore. Times change.

A Burka might come to be viewed as the great equalizer someday.

At least women would not be judged by their looks but by what they have to say. It’s a proven fact that more attractive people (men and women) make more money. That’s clearly discrimination based on being “Beautifully Challenged” and a Burka might solve all our problems, for men and women alike.

Where do I get mine?

(Ian, UK, 15 January 2010 02:15)

Aha,
look at these "democratic" Westerners a la Ian.
Helping and defending Muslim Albanians terrorists destroying and looting churches in Kosovo under the parol of "humanity" but at home they want to regulate clothing for Muslim people...
Something like that is actually done in Afghanistan,maybe the Westerners learned from their culture,could be a step forward for them..