“Decision on diplomatic ties this week”

I'm glad most of the region understand the reality on the ground.

'I'm glad most of the region understand the reality on the ground.'
(Mendo)

We all know what's on the ground, don't we? - Dirt!

I wonder if all of these "chest beating" K-Albs ever stop to REALLY think why it's so difficult for other countries to recognise or establish diplomatic ties with them??? In reality, this "independent" Kosovo is simply a facade held together by international interests and there are a lot of smoke and mirrors coming from Pristina to give the K-Albs a false sense of reality. Eventually, like all mirages, true reality will set in when the mirrors are broken and the smoke lifts. Kosovo will never be independent....your "government" is presently on life support, and the global economic crisis will soon "cut you off".

"Reality on the ground or not, what is the benefit to Montenegro of proceeding in this direction.

Its rational policies that the Balkans seems to lack. Everybody always appears suprised later when something blows up in their face..

From a Montenegrin perspective what is the need to hurry, how does it benefit us?"
(bganon, 14 January 2010 15:30)

Montenegro has recognized Kosovo. It means that it will look to Pristina, not Belgrade when it has issues/concerns/proposals in Kosovo. Issues/concerns/proposals are highly likely to come up, since the two countries (or country and region if you like, doesn't matter) are neighbors. This means that ambassadors are needed. They are being pragmatic, for their own interests and good, that is normal. I don't agree with you about the hurrying part. I don't think they are hurrying. They are late, they waited and waited, apparently because of Serbia. Now, either somebody has given them the green light from Serbia, or just Serbia doesn't hold much leverage with respect to this important issue for Montenegro (=establish normal contact with the representatives of two million people who live across the border)

no, the decission was made yesterday (you still can klick it on B92) with the strong western "promise" that the little dictator milo won´t end up in italian jail ...

that much about the mind he made for the "montenegrin minority" in the socalled "republic kosovo" ...

Reality on the ground or not, what is the benefit to Montenegro of proceeding in this direction.

Its rational policies that the Balkans seems to lack. Everybody always appears suprised later when something blows up in their face..

From a Montenegrin perspective what is the need to hurry, how does it benefit us?

From a Montenegrin perspective what is the need to hurry, how does it benefit us?
(bganon, 14 January 2010 15:30)

Right you are, but somebody is pulling the ears so strontly that the interest of the country is already of a second or third importance.

"Right you are, but somebody is pulling the ears so strontly that the interest of the country is already of a second or third importance."
(The Swiss, 14 January 2010 21:52)

Let's try to see this from Montenegrin point of view. Here we are, Serbia in our northeast, and something which some call a state, some don't, in our southeast. Let's see, that something in our southeast border has a couple million people, and some of us Montenegrins inside. Is it important to us to know what is going on right across our southeastern border? I guess yes. Is it important to us to know and protect(if need may be) or maintain contacts with our Montenegrin people there? I guess yes. Is it important to us to offer our businessmen opportunities there? How do we go about all these issues, and others which concern all neighbors in the world? Do we talk to them directly, or do we wait, because Serbia has a problem with them. Do we have to talk with Serbia, for instance, about their villagers in our southeastern borders who were cutting some wood inside our border some time ago? How is Serbia going to stop those villagers? Let's ask Serbia:
"Hey Jeremic, these people are cutting our wood, and they're not going to listen to you if you tell them not to, do you mind if we talk to their government directly?
Jeremic: wait for the ICJ.
Hey Jeremic, Croatian and Slovene businessmen are getting business licenses there, it might be a good market of two million people for our businessmen, do you mind if we try too?
Jeremic: We won't boycott your businessmen in Serbia, because of our trade agreements with you, but please wait for the ICJ. After the ICJ, we'll ask you to wait a bit more.
Hey Jeremic, we kinda need to have somebody on the ground, to know what is going on there, to prepare the ground if we want to send our businessmen, to advertise our tourism, to send or receive notes of protest if something bad happens. Do you mind if we talk with our neighbors?
Jeremic: wait for the ICJ.
The Swiss: it is not in your country's interest to talk to your neighbors, because I don't like them. " Etc etc etc.

I'm glad most of the region understand the reality on the ground.

I wonder if all of these "chest beating" K-Albs ever stop to REALLY think why it's so difficult for other countries to recognise or establish diplomatic ties with them??? In reality, this "independent" Kosovo is simply a facade held together by international interests and there are a lot of smoke and mirrors coming from Pristina to give the K-Albs a false sense of reality. Eventually, like all mirages, true reality will set in when the mirrors are broken and the smoke lifts. Kosovo will never be independent....your "government" is presently on life support, and the global economic crisis will soon "cut you off".

"Reality on the ground or not, what is the benefit to Montenegro of proceeding in this direction.

Its rational policies that the Balkans seems to lack. Everybody always appears suprised later when something blows up in their face..

From a Montenegrin perspective what is the need to hurry, how does it benefit us?"
(bganon, 14 January 2010 15:30)

Montenegro has recognized Kosovo. It means that it will look to Pristina, not Belgrade when it has issues/concerns/proposals in Kosovo. Issues/concerns/proposals are highly likely to come up, since the two countries (or country and region if you like, doesn't matter) are neighbors. This means that ambassadors are needed. They are being pragmatic, for their own interests and good, that is normal. I don't agree with you about the hurrying part. I don't think they are hurrying. They are late, they waited and waited, apparently because of Serbia. Now, either somebody has given them the green light from Serbia, or just Serbia doesn't hold much leverage with respect to this important issue for Montenegro (=establish normal contact with the representatives of two million people who live across the border)

'I'm glad most of the region understand the reality on the ground.'
(Mendo)

We all know what's on the ground, don't we? - Dirt!

Reality on the ground or not, what is the benefit to Montenegro of proceeding in this direction.

Its rational policies that the Balkans seems to lack. Everybody always appears suprised later when something blows up in their face..

From a Montenegrin perspective what is the need to hurry, how does it benefit us?

no, the decission was made yesterday (you still can klick it on B92) with the strong western "promise" that the little dictator milo won´t end up in italian jail ...

that much about the mind he made for the "montenegrin minority" in the socalled "republic kosovo" ...

From a Montenegrin perspective what is the need to hurry, how does it benefit us?
(bganon, 14 January 2010 15:30)

Right you are, but somebody is pulling the ears so strontly that the interest of the country is already of a second or third importance.

"Right you are, but somebody is pulling the ears so strontly that the interest of the country is already of a second or third importance."
(The Swiss, 14 January 2010 21:52)

Let's try to see this from Montenegrin point of view. Here we are, Serbia in our northeast, and something which some call a state, some don't, in our southeast. Let's see, that something in our southeast border has a couple million people, and some of us Montenegrins inside. Is it important to us to know what is going on right across our southeastern border? I guess yes. Is it important to us to know and protect(if need may be) or maintain contacts with our Montenegrin people there? I guess yes. Is it important to us to offer our businessmen opportunities there? How do we go about all these issues, and others which concern all neighbors in the world? Do we talk to them directly, or do we wait, because Serbia has a problem with them. Do we have to talk with Serbia, for instance, about their villagers in our southeastern borders who were cutting some wood inside our border some time ago? How is Serbia going to stop those villagers? Let's ask Serbia:
"Hey Jeremic, these people are cutting our wood, and they're not going to listen to you if you tell them not to, do you mind if we talk to their government directly?
Jeremic: wait for the ICJ.
Hey Jeremic, Croatian and Slovene businessmen are getting business licenses there, it might be a good market of two million people for our businessmen, do you mind if we try too?
Jeremic: We won't boycott your businessmen in Serbia, because of our trade agreements with you, but please wait for the ICJ. After the ICJ, we'll ask you to wait a bit more.
Hey Jeremic, we kinda need to have somebody on the ground, to know what is going on there, to prepare the ground if we want to send our businessmen, to advertise our tourism, to send or receive notes of protest if something bad happens. Do you mind if we talk with our neighbors?
Jeremic: wait for the ICJ.
The Swiss: it is not in your country's interest to talk to your neighbors, because I don't like them. " Etc etc etc.