Mauritania recognizes Kosovo

Mauri who?
(Peggy, 14 January 2010 10:27)

NUMBER 65 that is what matters

I wonder how much this recognition cost Pristina?
(Jason, 14 January 2010 10:24

Less then cost Serbia to block the reckognition and pay international experts to give lessons to ICJ

Thanx and more to come.

@Peggy

Mauri who or Mauri what it is still a country and just under half the Serbian population of nearly eight milion people and a UN country, that would do for us.

Thanx again, God bless.

Jason, Kosovo must be a dream for you. Get paid so you can paticipate in serbian website forums, I think someone was right couple of days ago when they said that you are only a pencil pusher, and I suspect that you probably work in court in northen Mitro.. (I meant you pretend to work).
Trully amazing

Mauri who?
(Peggy, 14 January 2010 10:27)

That Mauri Jeremic was talking about for a few months ago when he visited Mauri and said that he got Muris support and guaranty that they will never recognize Kosovo. :D

I wonder how much this recognition cost Pristina?

All i see is a bitternes here among anti-albanians :D, 65 thats pretty good, ICJ will not give negative opinion about Kosovo because there is NO law that forbits formation of independent country.

Another great day, :)

I wonder how much this recognition cost Pristina?
(Jason, 14 January 2010 10:24)

Jason, if “it was a bidding war” (as you speculate), Serbia should have put a higher bid then, shouldn’t they!!!
Just a though since I can see that you are no stranger to EBay.

"I feel sad when these countries recognize before the ICJ decision. Even if they will not honor the decision, it shows that International Law is disregarded. It would be better to wait for the decision and then either recognize or not.
The more contries that ignore this process in the ICJ (Whether they agree with the verdict or not) the more the ICJ and what it stands for gets margianilized.
If no one even waits for what they say, why even have the court at all. Without a court to keep international law relevant, there will be more injustices." (Kujon)
You have to keep in mind that the ICJ was nothing but Serbia's attempt to stop further recognitions, but Serbia was the first country in the world that declared that it will not respect ICJ's decission and it will never recognize KOSOVA. If Serbia who initiated this court session declares it is not going to respect their decission then why other countries should. I think that the damage that Serbia has caused to the internationla law will have consencuences for generations to come, I just do hope that ICJ does not fall into Russia's and Brazil's and alikes traps and damages it's reputation and what it stands for.

Not more than it costs Belgrade.

oh wow thank you mari That Mauri Jeremic was talking about for a few months ago when he visited Mauri and said that he got Muris support and guaranty that they will never recognize hahah jeremica only blah blah blah

Good start for the year 2010. By August the recognition will exceed 100 enough for UNSC GA to accept KOSOVA as the newest member.

Well I can sense that recognitions do good to all Balkans citizens for peace, stability and even expanding peoples' wisdom on geography .

I suspect the next islands that will recognise Kosovo is either Fiji or Papa New Guinea... $100 will do :)
Keep up the good work!
(AdamSRB, 14 January 2010 11:40)

AdamSRB, isn’t sad that Serbia cannot afford $101 to outbid us????

Mauri who?

2010 started good, we kicked bogdanovic out and got a recognition. Great times ahead: D

Go we!!

A big thank you and another sad for Jeremic and co.

am willing to bet 99% of Albanians did not even know that Mauritiana was a country prior to this recognition.
One would think that this recognition process is a interesting way of teaching Albanians some geography?
(Vuk, 14 January 2010 14:32)

...teaching Serbs some geography too!

Well, that's good company! Girls are force-fed a diet of up to 16,000 calories a day to become fat as that is a tradition and a form of beauty; child slavery is normal; 70% of female population illiterate; 3 coups against the government in the last 6 years; Around 25% is living under the UN poverty line of 1,25$ a day;
Three million inhabitants;
And they want to have a diplomat in Kosovo? For what, the important trade relations between Mauretaina and KosovO? Another useless country recognised. The main reason is to hurt Morocco as Mauretania supports the wish for the Western Sahara to become independent. So again a political decision that makes more problems then solutions.

"I suspect that you probably work in court in northen Mitro.. (I meant you pretend to work).
Trully amazing
(Agim,"

Hello agim,

at the end of the day this is an anonymous forum, "the pencil pusher job" its just substitute for substance and reality. with out that he would be just another "hank the tank"
congrats to Kosovo and all its people for keeping their head high even under rediculous pressure from people that have no connection to it, but still cant handle their prosperous times.

(kate, 14 January 2010 11:26)
Kate, you did an excellent post, however, if you cannot say that you will respect the majority opinion of the court whether you agree or not---they are just words on a page.

I don't think Serbia is looking to buy the votes unlike some. I guess cheating is they only way to win!
(AdamSRB, 14 January 2010 11:58)

There is always an excuse, isn’t there AdamSRB??!!!
Do not forget that excuses are simply the means of justifying incompetence.

I suspect the next islands that will recognise Kosovo is either Fiji or Papa New Guinea... $100 will do :)
Keep up the good work!
(AdamSRB, 14 January 2010 11:40)

I hope you're not implying that Mauritania is an Island nation? Also Kosovo doesn't need to buy recognitions unlike the Russians. Mauritania has been saying for a while that it will recognise Kosovo, so this recognition is not a surprise.

Also Fiji won't recognise Kosovo any time soon, they are not too friendly with the West since their Coup in 2006. Recently they just expelled Australia's and New Zealand's Ambassadors. Also PNG would have recognised Kosovo by now if Serbia hadn't of given PNG lots of "free military good" to stop them from recognising Kosovo.

kujon: "I feel sad when these countries recognize before the ICJ decision. Even if they will not honor the decision, it shows that International Law is disregarded. It would be better to wait for the decision and then either recognize or not.
The more contries that ignore this process in the ICJ (Whether they agree with the verdict or not) the more the ICJ and what it stands for gets margianilized."

I strongly agree with your sentiment and beautifully put.

I would go even further and say that if international law is not respected then the stability of all nations around the world are in immediate danger.

The UN would be replaced by another entity, just as the League of Nations was before it, but this time and in this climate goodness knows what sort of empirical monster may emerge.

International institutions may be riddled with ineptitude (see the film 'No Man's Land' http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0283509/ for a superb example!) but it's the best that we have and it is in all of our interests to protect it (or change it positively and not as a response to a crisis).

The actual laws and conventions are so valuable and important to everyone. How tragic if they can be spat on by a bunch of self-seeking politicians and lobbyists.

This recognition will not change the situation on the ground while the status quo continues. Only through negotiations can we conclude the status and follow the path to peace and prosperity.
(Zoran, 14 January 2010 11:22)

You are a little late sir. Why didn't you negotiate 15 years ago when we tried to negotiate under Rugova?

We have nothing to negotiate. And we have seen the peace and prosperity we experienced under Serbia.

You tried to kill and cleanse us first, and when you failed you want to negotiate?! Really!

In Albania we say "Brick by Brick, we build a castle". Things might not be changing fast enough but they are changing. Every recognition, every institution built, every police officer on duty, judge, etc is a sure step towards a solid and stable state. Of course with great help from EU and US.
We waited 100 years to free ourselves from Serbian oppression, we can be patient in building our state as well.


A new nation is building itself and I think there is nothing that will reverse that.

OMG -- and was i just writing about further recognitions, but had no idea so soon. this is great news, thanks so much! number 65, and continuing to grow. wonderful news.

on such days i have promised to stay insistently positive here, so...

when we reach #100, a major party should be planned...

excellent.

congratulations to the people of kosovo/a, and to our frnds around the world.

ciao!

roberto
frisco

Denis, so what happened to you leave us alone and we leave you alone. Looks like Pristina can't help itself but to interfere in Serbian controlled areas.
(Zoran, 14 January 2010 19:08)

Prishtina is wrong, I agree with you, if it was for me I would give you N-Mitrovica in exchange of Preshevo Valley or ask for a population exchange.Hell I would give you N-Mitrovica and ask you nothing in return, take it I don't care, just to get rid of Serbia.

Now follow my logic.

Serbs population is one of the fastest declining in the world, while K-Alb is one of the fastest growing. Long term Serbia has no interest in keeping Albanians within their state as they will become a majority in a near future. In 100 years K-Alb may become a majority and Serbs will loose control of their own homeland, democratically (Albanians will control the majority vote).

The fear is that Serbia naturally will not allow that (I woudn't). Instead Serbia will seek a way to cleanse Kosovo from the Albanians if Kosovo stays an integral part of Serbia, and war will start all over again this time even more brutal.

Kosovo independence will save everyone a lot of trouble in the future.

I am not surprised about that: a criminal islamic country (it is known that mauritania got al quaeda training camps on its territory) recognize another criminal country.
IT IS FUNNY!!!
(Luca, 14 January 2010 16:52)

Funnier than Iran,Egypt,Kongo(Kabila)supporting Serbia?

I feel sad when these countries recognize before the ICJ decision. Even if they will not honor the decision, it shows that International Law is disregarded. It would be better to wait for the decision and then either recognize or not.
The more contries that ignore this process in the ICJ (Whether they agree with the verdict or not) the more the ICJ and what it stands for gets margianilized.
If no one even waits for what they say, why even have the court at all. Without a court to keep international law relevant, there will be more injustices.

Mauri who?
(Peggy, 14 January 2010 10:27)
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I have to admit, I have discovered quite a few places I didn't know existed through these recognitions of "Kosova". Everyone will have to use Wikipedia now to discover some facts about this place.

This recognition will not change the situation on the ground while the status quo continues. Only through negotiations can we conclude the status and follow the path to peace and prosperity.

"In Albania we say "Brick by Brick, we build a castle". Things might not be changing fast enough but they are changing. Every recognition, every institution built, every police officer on duty, judge, etc is a sure step towards a solid and stable state. Of course with great help from EU and US.
We waited 100 years to free ourselves from Serbian oppression, we can be patient in building our state as well.
A new nation is building itself and I think there is nothing that will reverse that.
(Denis"
I bless Mauritania and her wise decision re: Kosova.
May the Force Be with Kosova and her people. And, you too Denis, for your superior and wise words. Peace and Love for all Balkan people, but especially the Albanian people, who have suffered unimaginably throughout her long ancient history.

I suspect the next islands that will recognise Kosovo is either Fiji or Papa New Guinea... $100 will do :)
Keep up the good work!

(Mr Q, 14 January 2010 11:50)
The true damage to the ICJ reputation came when it agreed to hear Serbia's request for an opinion, while saying they have no intention of accepting it if it is not to their liking.
This showed to the world that the opinion carries no weight.
Everyone who takes a case to court hopes that they will win, whether this is a court or arbitration etc. But usually there is some type of agreement that they will be bound by the decision.
So when Serbia says this, why should anyone wait for the final ruling to make a decision to recognize or not recognize.

I am willing to bet 99% of Albanians did not even know that Mauritiana was a country prior to this recognition.
One would think that this recognition process is a interesting way of teaching Albanians some geography?

Mr Q: "Serbia's attempt to stop further recognitions, but Serbia was the first country in the world that declared that it will not respect ICJ's decission and it will never recognize KOSOVA. If Serbia who initiated this court session declares it is not going to respect their decission then why other countries should."

This argument is a nonsense. You cannot equate the flouting of international law by those who attacked Serbia, unilaterally declared or recognised independence with Serbia's stance that it will not recognise Kosovo.

Serbia has never said that they won't recognise international law. In fact international law states quite clearly that Kosovo is still a province within the sovereign boundaries of Serbia.

The question before the court is whether the UDI was illegal. If the court did say that it was legal it only means that in their opinion there was no breach of international law.

It does not mean that Kosovo is therefore fully independent or that any nation (including Serbia) should recognise Kosovo in order to fulfill their legal obligations.

If however the UDI is found to have been illegal it means that no recognitions are therefore valid in international law, and while there will be no forced withdrawal of recognitions there will certainly be a lot of nations rethinking their approaches.

the happiness of the forum is making me happy ...

come on, it´s not like you have anything else to celebrate than mauretanias acknowledgment ...

usa - uk - bagdad green zone - mauretania ....

not just economically on an eye-level, but also from the ability to read an atlas ...

:-)

when will russia give in?

or china?

I salute the pro-independence Albanians for being proud of Kosovo's achievement.( in this case receiving recognition from Mauritania.)

NUMBER 65 that is what matters
(Une, 14 January 2010 11:33)
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And why does that matter? Palestine has over 100 and what good has that done? Until Palestinians and Israelis, Serbians and ethnic Albanians come to an agreement, these type of recognitions are meaningless.

Happy New Year to everyone!

'And why does that matter? Palestine has over 100 and what good has that done? Until Palestinians and Israelis, Serbians and ethnic Albanians come to an agreement, these type of recognitions are meaningless.

(Zoran, 14 January 2010 12:48) '

What good does it do? Well, the FIFA told Kosovo at their last meeting they could discuss membership when Kosovo got another 30 recognitions or so, and that was about 5 recognitions ago.

Mike, for being a non-Serb, you do seem to post here often.

Anyway looks like there's no incentive for negotiations when countries are recognizing the reality even before the ICJ gives its verdict. Looks like the ICJ will also delve in such reality.

Kosovo will move forward and will not stoop to the level of a bitter and stubborn "Minister for Kosovo".

Long live Kosovo, free and proud.

I wonder how much this recognition cost Pristina?
(Jason, 14 January 2010 10:24)

Jason, if “it was a bidding war” (as you speculate), Serbia should have put a higher bid then, shouldn’t they!!!
Just a though since I can see that you are no stranger to EBay.
(casual_visitor, 14 January 2010 11:30)

I don't think Serbia is looking to buy the votes unlike some. I guess cheating is they only way to win!

If however the UDI is found to have been illegal it means that no recognitions are therefore valid in international law, and while there will be no forced withdrawal of recognitions there will certainly be a lot of nations rethinking their approaches.
(kate, 14 January 2010 13:03)

Kate,

Sounds like double talk ot me.
First, if Serbia had the courage of its convictions that the ICJ opinion would be in its favor, why then didn't Serbia agree to a binding decision rather than just an advisory one? This alone shows that Serbia is wasting the Court's time.

Secondly, since Serbia has stated that it will NOT abide by the Court's ruling in the event of an adverse decision, how then can the International community take seriously any of Serbia's "complaints".

This is good news ! especially since Kosovo is in court more recognition is more welcomed! I hope soon South Africa recognizes because on the ground in S.Africa we really want to accept Kosovo as a country its the government that is divided anyways Good LUCK AT court Kosovo and i hope more good stuff come your way !

Also good luck Serbia , u gonna need it !

Serbs are so upset of every single recognition. Because you know very well, that with every single recognition Kosovo will be one step forward to a stable state. Some of you here claim that Kosovo is forever banned of international organization especially the UNO. Who you came to this conclusion? One year after declaring independence Kosovo became a member of two inter.organization where serbia is still also a member, if you would follow the logic of Tadic so you have to leave this organization.

Serbs should stop to compare themselves and their country with China, Russia or India. Serbia is and will never be a world power. China and Taiwan are one nation, with different views, Kosovo and Serbia are not a country and not a nation, only a world war and a military strong Serbia will bring Kosovo under his power,like 1912-14.

Kosovo could if it reached 2/3 of recognition from UNO member states to become a member state of the UNO without bringing this case on the table of the UNO-SC. This knows Belgrade, thats why it is so interested to stop new recognition.

Serbia should know that Kosovo of this day will never ever be a part of Serbia, expect it happens a big catastrophe.

America wanted 70 recognitions by September 2008, even if they get 5 more by March they're still 18 months behind. Looks like might doesn't always make right.

Congratulations to the Albanians for thisone ,but remember,it is worthless,Un1244 is still in place saying Kosovo is Serbia and all organizations are blocked.
PRN,UN is blocked for our southern province even if 191 countries recognized it!
You know why,yep,because of a single veto of Russia!

BTW With Russia and Chinas might rising prepare for recognitions being revoked,remember Africa and Asia will in the future listen more and more to China and Russia and not to the US.
Remember the example of Taiwan.

Hahaha, wheeeeee something something something something democracy something something something something Jeremic is a jerk something something something something Illyrians :)

Michael R: "Sounds like double talk ot me."

That's because you haven't bothered to read it properly or think about it. It actually makes perfect sense if you read it properly.

The decision is non binding because of the setup of the court, not because of any decision by Serbia.

The only problem with your offer Dennis is that no part of Kosovo is yours to exchange for anything.
(Peggy, 14 January 2010 22:55)

Well this is a matter of opinion. I believe I can bring a lot of 3 party sources that differ from your beliefs, just like you can do the same thing I guess.

In any case one thing is for sure. Serbia got and held Kosovo among many contraversies now for 100 years. Throughout history Kosovo has been an open issue for Serbia since the moment it was rewarded to you, and Serbia never learned how to manage it responsibly.

I think one of the problems that brought us to this point, it's exactly this kind of mentality which is exclusive.

If Kosovo would have been promoted by Serbia as a place of co-existence, peace, harmony, common values, and common goals, things would have been way better and Kosovo would have been within Serbia today.

But Serbs want to exclude and make K-Alb feel as they are some kind of invaders in their own homes. Ask every common Serbs and they will talk to you about myths and tales of Kosovo, and how Albanians do not belong there. Than your beloved leaders send in the army to kill, murder and destroy en masse.

Now you are only reaping what you saw.

Russia, China, veto, UNSC!

Amer, you mean to say all this effort is just to get Kosovo into FIFA? I'm sure Serbia would offer that at the negotiating table. After all, Scotland, Wales and England each have a team but all live within the same country.

Denis, so what happened to you leave us alone and we leave you alone. Looks like Pristina can't help itself but to interfere in Serbian controlled areas.

Hahaha, wheeeeee something something something something democracy something something something something Jeremic is a jerk something something something something Illyrians :)
(Mike, 14 January 2010 16:23)

Are you under impression that you are impressing anyone with your "professorship"?

Another recognition in the bag. ; )

I am not surprised about that: a criminal islamic country (it is known that mauritania got al quaeda training camps on its territory) recognize another criminal country.
IT IS FUNNY!!!

Russia, China, veto, UNSC!
(Ron, 14 January 2010 17:40)

Albanian Federation, a reality sooner than you might think.

I don't think Serbia is looking to buy the votes unlike some. I guess cheating is they only way to win!
(AdamSRB, 14 January 2010 11:58)

There is always an excuse, isn’t there AdamSRB??!!!
Do not forget that excuses are simply the means of justifying incompetence.
(casual_visitor, 14 January 2010 13:30)

I don't think this was cheating Adam.
Mauritania is a small Islamic country with many different tribes and clans.
There are clans there of which the historians and anthropologists have no information. I'd say that it was easy pickings for the K/A historians--especially if they were able to establish
some sort of kinship, or discussed dinos.

albanians are exited about the 60 little countries that supported you hahaha and america and 4 other nations but you forget the biggest countries on earth say no which include CHINA,INDIA,RUSSIA BRAZIL THE REST OF THE WORLD but your happy with these little puny countries that mean nothing and got paid by Saudi Arabia

'Amer, you mean to say all this effort is just to get Kosovo into FIFA? I'm sure Serbia would offer that at the negotiating table. After all, Scotland, Wales and England each have a team but all live within the same
(Zoran, 14 January 2010 19:08) '

The problem isn't Serbia. When Gibraltar wanted to join, Spain pushed to change the membership rules so that UN membership was required - that's what has been holding things up. I have no idea how FIFA plans to get around this rule or whether they may simply do away with it. Membership would, apparently, mean a lot to Kosovo, so it's good to see a way opening towards achieving it. It makes every recognition all that much more valuable - only 25 to go! (Or so.)

'If however the UDI is found to have been illegal it means that no recognitions are therefore valid in international law....


(kate, 14 January 2010 13:03)'

What are you basing the idea of an "illegal recognition" on?

BTW With Russia and Chinas might rising prepare for recognitions being revoked,remember Africa and Asia will in the future listen more and more to China and Russia and not to the US.
Remember the example of Taiwan.
(CG, 14 January 2010 15:51)

If Russia has such a big influence...I don't get why nobody wants to recognise its 2 microb states in Caucasus hahahaahaah neither China nor India...I understand they insist in paying Nauru hahahahaha

Never forget that neither China nor India are friends of Russia (Russia is not even a junior partner for China)...nor are China and India firends...
This precisely will preserve the West strength....we, EU and US, are historically and culturally linked and RICH....and together we total more than 1 billion people...so, personnaly I'm absolutely not pesimistic for the future of our block....
We just have to follow our road and watch China and India clash against each other...

Albanian Federation, a reality sooner than you might think.
(Zoti, 14 January 2010 20:47)

Even if Kosovo becomes a state then the Kosovo constitution says it cannot merge with another state!

Another one done, and weels on the bus go round and round

I am squirming with embarrassment at your public display of ignorance about UN entry and the veto.

Why don't you ask the UN or any bona fide political science professor where you live before you shoot off more inaccuracies or wishful thinking about UN membership?
(lowe, 15 January 2010 08:24)

Wrong again,
Yes, the matter goes first to UNSC, and if there is a veto, then any UNSC Permanent member has the right to file a motion to take the matter to UNGA. If it goes there, all you need is 2/3 majority and you become a UN member.

How much was the bribe used to pay off the Mauritanian military junta?
(Niall O'Doherty, 15 January 2010 11:11)

Actually the former leader of the Junta stepped down from the military to run for President. OCSE, EU, OIC, Arab League etc all said that the election was democratic. Besides Mauritania has been saying for 8 months now that it would recognise Kosovo because of KSA's recognition. Also Kosovo doesn't bribe countries, it is not required; that is Russian trick. Lobbying works just fine. This recognition was always going to happen.

I am willing to bet 99% of Albanians did not even know that Mauritiana was a country prior to this recognition.
One would think that this recognition process is a interesting way of teaching Albanians some geography?
(Vuk, 14 January 2010 14:32)

Yes, MR VUK, beacause of the lack and knowledge, us Albanians live now on an an Independent country.
Guess what;Vuce, Things have changed drastically nowadays. Albanians are multilingual and know what is best for them.

Denis, so what happened to you leave us alone and we leave you alone. Looks like Pristina can't help itself but to interfere in Serbian controlled areas.
(Zoran, 14 January 2010 19:08)

Prishtina is wrong, I agree with you, if it was for me I would give you N-Mitrovica in exchange of Preshevo Valley or ask for a population exchange.Hell I would give you N-Mitrovica and ask you nothing in return, take it I don't care, just to get rid of Serbia.
========================

The only problem with your offer Dennis is that no part of Kosovo is yours to exchange for anything.

If Kosovo gets just over half of the UN member states to recognise it, it can become a UN Observer. This cannot be blocked with Security Council veto. Observer status will be used as a stepping stone for full membership.

Why do K-Albs call it "Kosova"? Does it mean something in Albanian because it does in Serbian!
I guess if you give it a nick name of your own that makes it legally yours.

Only through negotiations can we conclude the status and follow the path to peace and prosperity.
(Zoran, 14 January 2010 11:22)

No thanks. We're good.

Everything has a price :)

I cannot understand all this excitement regarding Mauritania's recognition of the UDI in Kosovo.

Whether Mauritania or Timbuktu recognise Kosovo is
totally irrelevant.What matters is the position which
the US creditors-China & Russia-will take.

Since both countries have minority issues i cannot see
them ever giving their blessing to kosovo's UDI.

Why Russia - with the cooperation of Chilna will/will not take over the world:

"Maybe because it has the world biggest nuclear arsenal(40.000 warheads)?"

>> This is almost irrelevant - even a war between second-tier nuclear countries would be enough to produce a world-wide nuclear winter: 10 years of sunlight blocked by the resulting particulate matter in the stratosphere (too high to be washed out by precipitation). The January issue of Scientific American has a story on this - a summary is available at http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=local-nuclear-war. If you have trouble generating nightmares on your own, this will help. (On the other hand, it would certainly lower global temperatures enough so we could forget about global warming for a while.)

"Maybe because it has the things that China desperetaly wants? (resources)"

See Russian bloggers - there are other ways of getting these than making Russia a partner. For example, http://grani.ru/opinion/piontkovsky/m.173037.html

"Maybe because it has the Eurpoean industry completely by its with its gas monopoly?"

But for how long? http://gazeta.ru/business/2010/01/13/3311096.shtml

http://nohotair.typepad.co.uk/no_hot_air/2009/12/poland-shale-gas-again.html - I've got more links, but this is the Mauritania page after all. Just Google "shale gas" if you want more on how American engineering is saving the world from Russian energy domination.

"Maybe it has due to its size contact with Europe,the Middle East,Far East and America and therefore is a big player in all of these regions?"

China is perfectly capable of dealing with these areas on its own.

"BTW The Russian population is rising again,due to a 1 million ruble check for every ethnic Russian newborn child.
That is what I call family policies,the Russians are a very tough race. "

The population bulge in the Russian demographic python has been almost digested - they're entering 10-20 year period of a shortage of potential mothers. Especially of "ethnic Russians."

Well Mike impressed me with his "professorship"!

'We have Amer here claiming that the Secretary General and Attisari have higher powers than the UNSC and they alone can determine the end of the interim period as set in UNSCR1244. '

Where the SC is blocked, somebody has to act.

(CG, 15 January 2010 00:24)

Why don't you send your analysis along to the Russian Ministry of Defense? They'll be glad to know they don't have to worry about that little problem to their East, after all.

As for the SCO, Russia and Germany had an alliance before WWII - when it came time, Hitler ignored it. As Stalin would have, if he'd been stronger. Think about it - why would China, with its population of 1.3 billion, offer to share world domination with Russia, with its population of 141 million and falling?

Another recognition in the bag. ; )
(KOSOVARi, 14 January 2010 23:23)

How much was the bribe used to pay off the Mauritanian military junta?

Russia, China, veto, UNSC!
(Ron, 14 January 2010 17:40)

REALITY

Albanian Federation, a reality sooner than you might think.
(Zoti, 14 January 2010
20:47)

FANTASY.

Mauretania...
That was a strong card! I wonder how Belgrade is going to survive this Tsunami of recognitions that Maruetania are a part of...

(Amer, 15 January 2010 02:05)

Maybe because it has the world biggest nuclear arsenal(40.000 warheads)?
Maybe because it has the things that China desperetaly wants?
(resources)
Maybe because it has the Eurpoean industry completely by its with its gas monopoly?
Maybe it has due to its size contact with Europe,the Middle East,Far East and America and therefore is a big player in all of these regions?

BTW The Russian population is rising again,due to a 1 million ruble check for every ethnic Russian newborn child.
That is what I call family policies,the Russians are a very tough race.

China and Russia are going to control Asias economy and will control the world.
Just wait until the dollar is dumped,yesterday Iran and Turkey decided to trade with China and Russia in rubles and yuan.
The ground is being set.
Step by step they are building their castle!

Wrong again,
Yes, the matter goes first to UNSC, and if there is a veto, then any UNSC Permanent member has the right to file a motion to take the matter to UNGA. If it goes there, all you need is 2/3 majority and you become a UN member.
(Kosova-USA, 15 January 2010 11:17)

You are wrong ,my friend,to obtain membership the vote goes to the UN General Session,if it passes it goes to the UN Security Council and there you will be voted out by Russia.
Make no mistakes,to get a member of UNO,you must get the approval of the UN security council(practically the approval of Russia and China).
I wonder when will that happen?LOL

"Wrong again,
Yes, the matter goes first to UNSC, and if there is a veto, then any UNSC Permanent member has the right to file a motion to take the matter to UNGA. If it goes there, all you need is 2/3 majority and you become a UN member.
(Kosova-USA, 15 January 2010 11:17) "

I must say that your ignorance about UN entry procedures is fully matched by your audacity at concocting your own UN entry procedures and expecting to get away with it!

Don't you realize that you only end up making yourself a laughing stock to everyone here?

Why don't you ask the UN itself, or your own government in Pristina or Washington whether UN entry is as easy as you claimed?

I will be kind to you and provide you with a link on the basic procedure of UN entry --> http://www.un.org/ga/ropga_adms.shtml

Under Rule 137 of the UN, when the UNSC does NOT recommend membership to an applicant (including because the veto was used), the GA can consider the matter BUT IT CANNOT AFTER THAT GO AHEAD TO VOTE IN THIS APPLICANT as you claimed. The GA can only send the application back to the UNSC for reconsideration, which in practical terms means this membership application will be vetoed over and over again in the UNSC. And that is why you never see the GA bothering to send back any application rejected by any of the Big 5 in the UNSC.

Trust me, with China and Russia among the Big 5 in the UNSC, Kosovo can forget about UN entry. Kosovo will be in limbo like Taiwan, but minus the latter's wealth.

'...and with observer status comes de facto recognition of Kosovo by the UN, regardless of China and Russia.
(Ian, UK, 15 January 2010 18:59) '

Mmmm ... maybe. How much good has it done Palestine, though?

There's another possibility, a real hail-Mary pass (desperate, daring attempt, if you don't watch American football) - the "Uniting for Peace" procedure, under which the GA can call a special session if the SC is blocked by a veto. At such a session the GA can pass a "recommendation." The SC can block this if there is some action needed to implement the recommendation - sending troops in somewhere, for example, but since all the SC does with a vote on membership is to send its recommendation to the GA, maybe this would be irrelevant.

Serbia is the one who keeps saying that stability is threatened by Kosovo's existence - maybe someday, when Kosovo has plenty of recognitions, the claim can be used to initiate this procedure.

Amer

http://de.uefa.com/newsfiles/64675.pdf

Read article 5 which clearly states that to obtain membership you must be an UNO recognized country,which means member of the UN.
Guess when this is going to happen to "Kosovo".

'Read article 5 which clearly states that to obtain membership you must be an UNO recognized country,which means member of the UN.
Guess when this is going to happen to "Kosovo".
(CG, 14 January 2010 23:57) '

These aren't the Ten Commandments. They've been amended once, they can be amended again.

Why do K-Albs call it "Kosova"? Does it mean something in Albanian because it does in Serbian!
I guess if you give it a nick name of your own that makes it legally yours.
(AdamSRB, 14 January 2010 22:19)

Kosova means nothing in Albanian. Its just a name conjured up by Albanian sepatists in the 1940 to differentiate if from the Serbian 'Kosovo'. The problem is that they didn't realize that 'Kosova' is a Bantu speaking tribe located in Kenya , West Africa. Look it up via Google. So not only are the K-Albs stealing land they are stealing the identity of an African tribe.

number 65, and continuing to grow. wonderful news.
roberto
frisco
(roberto, 14 January 2010 19:29)

Realistically, not 65 but 6.5 (inches) are the standard. Growing beyond 10 is abnormal, not wonderful.

Trust me, with China and Russia among the Big 5 in the UNSC, Kosovo can forget about UN entry. Kosovo will be in limbo like Taiwan, but minus the latter's wealth.
(lowe, 15 January 2010 13:42)
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Thanks for making it so clear lowe. That's the problem with our ethnic Albanians here. They believe there is a higher authority at the UN than the Security Council. The simple fact is that non exist.

We have Amer here claiming that the Secretary General and Attisari have higher powers than the UNSC and they alone can determine the end of the interim period as set in UNSCR1244.

Put simply, we either respect the structures of international law or we risk the consequences of making up our own rules. The problem the West faces is that it does not have the powerful to take on the East.

I wouldn't be surprised if we get another Iron Curtain drawn, but this time around the West. The question being where does Serbia fit into all of this? Both sides are pulling us.

(CG, 15 January 2010 14:18)

...and with observer status comes de facto recognition of Kosovo by the UN, regardless of China and Russia.

"Kosovo could if it reached 2/3 of recognition from UNO member states to become a member state of the UNO without bringing this case on the table of the UNO-SC. This knows Belgrade, thats why it is so interested to stop new recognition.

Serbia should know that Kosovo of this day will never ever be a part of Serbia, expect it happens a big catastrophe.
(luis, 14 January 2010 22:50) "

I am squirming with embarrassment at your public display of ignorance about UN entry and the veto.

Why don't you ask the UN or any bona fide political science professor where you live before you shoot off more inaccuracies or wishful thinking about UN membership?

(Ian, UK, 15 January 2010 13:36)

ian,again,you keep repeating the mantra about kosovo joining the UN.

To be a UN member you must go through the security council,so keep building your stepping stones,the important thing is that Russia and China will veto you.

Therefore: bye,bye UN and with it the status as a country!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mauritania#After_the_coup

Hi Ian, as you can see here the recent Mauritanian elections, they were about as legitimate as the recent Afghan and Honduran elections.

'Democracy' rules in Mauritania where hundeds of thousands of blacks are kept in virtual slavery.

Hans

just for your information:

Russia and China are military ALLIES in the SCO(NATO of Asia).
India will soon join it so forget about your dreams of playing the big powers of Asia one against the other.
The statesmen of these people know exactly that a consolidated Asia that uses its resources wisely and cooperates will undoubtly rule the world.
First steps were taken,they are preparing the ground for dumping the US dollar as a world reserve currency,they have founded a military alliance (SCO) in 2001 and they have the biggest resources and manpower(over 2 billion people vs the West with "only" 800 million people.
As for the so called "unity" of the West,maybe this could be true for the Anglosaxons but the Eu is a paper tiger which can be played with a "divide and conquer" strategy which has been used by Russia for example in energ policy.(Germany pursuing the Nabucco pipeline while Italians practically torpedoed it by signing a seperate deal with Russia).
We Serbs have the support of these rising powers while the Albanians have the support of the demising powers,that is the main point...

Guess who will win at the end?
Perpare yourself for recognitions being revoced very soon,this is a very serious matter for China(Taiwan and Tibet) and Russia(because of our racial bonds)!

BTW Hans,you shouldn`t speak to ignorantly of the Russians,after all,they told you Germans in WW2 a lesson which you and the world will never forget.

"If Kosovo gets just over half of the UN member states to recognise it, it can become a UN Observer. This cannot be blocked with Security Council veto. Observer status will be used as a stepping stone for full membership.
(Ian, UK, 15 January 2010 13:36) "

I don't think Belgrade minds Pristina getting observer status any more than the Israelis and Chinese care about same for Palestine and Taiwan.

Oh great, one sink hole recognises another.

(Mariam Grant, Bloemfontien .S.A
Hi, Mariam! We, Serbs have truth on our side! How about Albanians? Do you hope that court will believe in polar bears stories of albanian team? That court is not the same court that had let war criminals:Oric, Haradinaj free.

good news ! my serbian friends,
dont forget your "russian brothers" entered in a phase of decline of population. and after 20 years the majority there will be muslim there so the veto will be not eternal !!!

Another recognition in the bag. ; )
(KOSOVARi, 14 January 2010 23:23)

I am going to suggest that you frame this one, since the bag with the rest of your recognitions is tainted, and it should be boldly marked contaminated, and thus contained.

good news ! my serbian friends,
dont forget your "russian brothers" entered in a phase of decline of population. and after 20 years the majority there will be muslim there so the veto will be not eternal !!!
(erjon-tirana, 17 January 2010 00:46)

Moscow, November 1, Interfax - The number of ethnic Muslims in Russia who adopted Christianity is 2 million, while the number of the Orthodox who have been converted to Islam is only 2,5 thousand, stated Roman Silantyev, executive secretary of the Inter-religious Council in Russia.
http://www.interfax-religion.com/?act=news&div=513
Thanks for the chuckle Tirana under no circumstances hold your breath, or perhaps give it a go.

Mauri who?

I wonder how much this recognition cost Pristina?

Mauri who?
(Peggy, 14 January 2010 10:27)
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I have to admit, I have discovered quite a few places I didn't know existed through these recognitions of "Kosova". Everyone will have to use Wikipedia now to discover some facts about this place.

This recognition will not change the situation on the ground while the status quo continues. Only through negotiations can we conclude the status and follow the path to peace and prosperity.

I suspect the next islands that will recognise Kosovo is either Fiji or Papa New Guinea... $100 will do :)
Keep up the good work!

I am willing to bet 99% of Albanians did not even know that Mauritiana was a country prior to this recognition.
One would think that this recognition process is a interesting way of teaching Albanians some geography?

I feel sad when these countries recognize before the ICJ decision. Even if they will not honor the decision, it shows that International Law is disregarded. It would be better to wait for the decision and then either recognize or not.
The more contries that ignore this process in the ICJ (Whether they agree with the verdict or not) the more the ICJ and what it stands for gets margianilized.
If no one even waits for what they say, why even have the court at all. Without a court to keep international law relevant, there will be more injustices.

I wonder how much this recognition cost Pristina?
(Jason, 14 January 2010 10:24

Less then cost Serbia to block the reckognition and pay international experts to give lessons to ICJ

NUMBER 65 that is what matters
(Une, 14 January 2010 11:33)
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And why does that matter? Palestine has over 100 and what good has that done? Until Palestinians and Israelis, Serbians and ethnic Albanians come to an agreement, these type of recognitions are meaningless.

Happy New Year to everyone!

Mr Q: "Serbia's attempt to stop further recognitions, but Serbia was the first country in the world that declared that it will not respect ICJ's decission and it will never recognize KOSOVA. If Serbia who initiated this court session declares it is not going to respect their decission then why other countries should."

This argument is a nonsense. You cannot equate the flouting of international law by those who attacked Serbia, unilaterally declared or recognised independence with Serbia's stance that it will not recognise Kosovo.

Serbia has never said that they won't recognise international law. In fact international law states quite clearly that Kosovo is still a province within the sovereign boundaries of Serbia.

The question before the court is whether the UDI was illegal. If the court did say that it was legal it only means that in their opinion there was no breach of international law.

It does not mean that Kosovo is therefore fully independent or that any nation (including Serbia) should recognise Kosovo in order to fulfill their legal obligations.

If however the UDI is found to have been illegal it means that no recognitions are therefore valid in international law, and while there will be no forced withdrawal of recognitions there will certainly be a lot of nations rethinking their approaches.

Jason, Kosovo must be a dream for you. Get paid so you can paticipate in serbian website forums, I think someone was right couple of days ago when they said that you are only a pencil pusher, and I suspect that you probably work in court in northen Mitro.. (I meant you pretend to work).
Trully amazing

Not more than it costs Belgrade.

albanians are exited about the 60 little countries that supported you hahaha and america and 4 other nations but you forget the biggest countries on earth say no which include CHINA,INDIA,RUSSIA BRAZIL THE REST OF THE WORLD but your happy with these little puny countries that mean nothing and got paid by Saudi Arabia

Well, that's good company! Girls are force-fed a diet of up to 16,000 calories a day to become fat as that is a tradition and a form of beauty; child slavery is normal; 70% of female population illiterate; 3 coups against the government in the last 6 years; Around 25% is living under the UN poverty line of 1,25$ a day;
Three million inhabitants;
And they want to have a diplomat in Kosovo? For what, the important trade relations between Mauretaina and KosovO? Another useless country recognised. The main reason is to hurt Morocco as Mauretania supports the wish for the Western Sahara to become independent. So again a political decision that makes more problems then solutions.

kujon: "I feel sad when these countries recognize before the ICJ decision. Even if they will not honor the decision, it shows that International Law is disregarded. It would be better to wait for the decision and then either recognize or not.
The more contries that ignore this process in the ICJ (Whether they agree with the verdict or not) the more the ICJ and what it stands for gets margianilized."

I strongly agree with your sentiment and beautifully put.

I would go even further and say that if international law is not respected then the stability of all nations around the world are in immediate danger.

The UN would be replaced by another entity, just as the League of Nations was before it, but this time and in this climate goodness knows what sort of empirical monster may emerge.

International institutions may be riddled with ineptitude (see the film 'No Man's Land' http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0283509/ for a superb example!) but it's the best that we have and it is in all of our interests to protect it (or change it positively and not as a response to a crisis).

The actual laws and conventions are so valuable and important to everyone. How tragic if they can be spat on by a bunch of self-seeking politicians and lobbyists.

I wonder how much this recognition cost Pristina?
(Jason, 14 January 2010 10:24)

Jason, if “it was a bidding war” (as you speculate), Serbia should have put a higher bid then, shouldn’t they!!!
Just a though since I can see that you are no stranger to EBay.
(casual_visitor, 14 January 2010 11:30)

I don't think Serbia is looking to buy the votes unlike some. I guess cheating is they only way to win!

Congratulations to the Albanians for thisone ,but remember,it is worthless,Un1244 is still in place saying Kosovo is Serbia and all organizations are blocked.
PRN,UN is blocked for our southern province even if 191 countries recognized it!
You know why,yep,because of a single veto of Russia!

BTW With Russia and Chinas might rising prepare for recognitions being revoked,remember Africa and Asia will in the future listen more and more to China and Russia and not to the US.
Remember the example of Taiwan.

Mauri who?
(Peggy, 14 January 2010 10:27)

NUMBER 65 that is what matters

I am not surprised about that: a criminal islamic country (it is known that mauritania got al quaeda training camps on its territory) recognize another criminal country.
IT IS FUNNY!!!

Russia, China, veto, UNSC!

I wonder how much this recognition cost Pristina?
(Jason, 14 January 2010 10:24)

Jason, if “it was a bidding war” (as you speculate), Serbia should have put a higher bid then, shouldn’t they!!!
Just a though since I can see that you are no stranger to EBay.

America wanted 70 recognitions by September 2008, even if they get 5 more by March they're still 18 months behind. Looks like might doesn't always make right.

Thanx and more to come.

@Peggy

Mauri who or Mauri what it is still a country and just under half the Serbian population of nearly eight milion people and a UN country, that would do for us.

Thanx again, God bless.

I suspect the next islands that will recognise Kosovo is either Fiji or Papa New Guinea... $100 will do :)
Keep up the good work!
(AdamSRB, 14 January 2010 11:40)

I hope you're not implying that Mauritania is an Island nation? Also Kosovo doesn't need to buy recognitions unlike the Russians. Mauritania has been saying for a while that it will recognise Kosovo, so this recognition is not a surprise.

Also Fiji won't recognise Kosovo any time soon, they are not too friendly with the West since their Coup in 2006. Recently they just expelled Australia's and New Zealand's Ambassadors. Also PNG would have recognised Kosovo by now if Serbia hadn't of given PNG lots of "free military good" to stop them from recognising Kosovo.

the happiness of the forum is making me happy ...

come on, it´s not like you have anything else to celebrate than mauretanias acknowledgment ...

usa - uk - bagdad green zone - mauretania ....

not just economically on an eye-level, but also from the ability to read an atlas ...

:-)

when will russia give in?

or china?

oh wow thank you mari That Mauri Jeremic was talking about for a few months ago when he visited Mauri and said that he got Muris support and guaranty that they will never recognize hahah jeremica only blah blah blah

"I feel sad when these countries recognize before the ICJ decision. Even if they will not honor the decision, it shows that International Law is disregarded. It would be better to wait for the decision and then either recognize or not.
The more contries that ignore this process in the ICJ (Whether they agree with the verdict or not) the more the ICJ and what it stands for gets margianilized.
If no one even waits for what they say, why even have the court at all. Without a court to keep international law relevant, there will be more injustices." (Kujon)
You have to keep in mind that the ICJ was nothing but Serbia's attempt to stop further recognitions, but Serbia was the first country in the world that declared that it will not respect ICJ's decission and it will never recognize KOSOVA. If Serbia who initiated this court session declares it is not going to respect their decission then why other countries should. I think that the damage that Serbia has caused to the internationla law will have consencuences for generations to come, I just do hope that ICJ does not fall into Russia's and Brazil's and alikes traps and damages it's reputation and what it stands for.

I suspect the next islands that will recognise Kosovo is either Fiji or Papa New Guinea... $100 will do :)
Keep up the good work!
(AdamSRB, 14 January 2010 11:40)

AdamSRB, isn’t sad that Serbia cannot afford $101 to outbid us????

All i see is a bitternes here among anti-albanians :D, 65 thats pretty good, ICJ will not give negative opinion about Kosovo because there is NO law that forbits formation of independent country.

Another great day, :)

"I suspect that you probably work in court in northen Mitro.. (I meant you pretend to work).
Trully amazing
(Agim,"

Hello agim,

at the end of the day this is an anonymous forum, "the pencil pusher job" its just substitute for substance and reality. with out that he would be just another "hank the tank"
congrats to Kosovo and all its people for keeping their head high even under rediculous pressure from people that have no connection to it, but still cant handle their prosperous times.

Amer, you mean to say all this effort is just to get Kosovo into FIFA? I'm sure Serbia would offer that at the negotiating table. After all, Scotland, Wales and England each have a team but all live within the same country.

Denis, so what happened to you leave us alone and we leave you alone. Looks like Pristina can't help itself but to interfere in Serbian controlled areas.

Hahaha, wheeeeee something something something something democracy something something something something Jeremic is a jerk something something something something Illyrians :)

2010 started good, we kicked bogdanovic out and got a recognition. Great times ahead: D

Go we!!

Denis, so what happened to you leave us alone and we leave you alone. Looks like Pristina can't help itself but to interfere in Serbian controlled areas.
(Zoran, 14 January 2010 19:08)

Prishtina is wrong, I agree with you, if it was for me I would give you N-Mitrovica in exchange of Preshevo Valley or ask for a population exchange.Hell I would give you N-Mitrovica and ask you nothing in return, take it I don't care, just to get rid of Serbia.
========================

The only problem with your offer Dennis is that no part of Kosovo is yours to exchange for anything.

Mauri who?
(Peggy, 14 January 2010 10:27)

That Mauri Jeremic was talking about for a few months ago when he visited Mauri and said that he got Muris support and guaranty that they will never recognize Kosovo. :D

I cannot understand all this excitement regarding Mauritania's recognition of the UDI in Kosovo.

Whether Mauritania or Timbuktu recognise Kosovo is
totally irrelevant.What matters is the position which
the US creditors-China & Russia-will take.

Since both countries have minority issues i cannot see
them ever giving their blessing to kosovo's UDI.

Good start for the year 2010. By August the recognition will exceed 100 enough for UNSC GA to accept KOSOVA as the newest member.

Well I can sense that recognitions do good to all Balkans citizens for peace, stability and even expanding peoples' wisdom on geography .

I don't think Serbia is looking to buy the votes unlike some. I guess cheating is they only way to win!
(AdamSRB, 14 January 2010 11:58)

There is always an excuse, isn’t there AdamSRB??!!!
Do not forget that excuses are simply the means of justifying incompetence.
(casual_visitor, 14 January 2010 13:30)

I don't think this was cheating Adam.
Mauritania is a small Islamic country with many different tribes and clans.
There are clans there of which the historians and anthropologists have no information. I'd say that it was easy pickings for the K/A historians--especially if they were able to establish
some sort of kinship, or discussed dinos.

I am not surprised about that: a criminal islamic country (it is known that mauritania got al quaeda training camps on its territory) recognize another criminal country.
IT IS FUNNY!!!
(Luca, 14 January 2010 16:52)

Funnier than Iran,Egypt,Kongo(Kabila)supporting Serbia?

I salute the pro-independence Albanians for being proud of Kosovo's achievement.( in this case receiving recognition from Mauritania.)

A big thank you and another sad for Jeremic and co.

OMG -- and was i just writing about further recognitions, but had no idea so soon. this is great news, thanks so much! number 65, and continuing to grow. wonderful news.

on such days i have promised to stay insistently positive here, so...

when we reach #100, a major party should be planned...

excellent.

congratulations to the people of kosovo/a, and to our frnds around the world.

ciao!

roberto
frisco

Why do K-Albs call it "Kosova"? Does it mean something in Albanian because it does in Serbian!
I guess if you give it a nick name of your own that makes it legally yours.

Hans

just for your information:

Russia and China are military ALLIES in the SCO(NATO of Asia).
India will soon join it so forget about your dreams of playing the big powers of Asia one against the other.
The statesmen of these people know exactly that a consolidated Asia that uses its resources wisely and cooperates will undoubtly rule the world.
First steps were taken,they are preparing the ground for dumping the US dollar as a world reserve currency,they have founded a military alliance (SCO) in 2001 and they have the biggest resources and manpower(over 2 billion people vs the West with "only" 800 million people.
As for the so called "unity" of the West,maybe this could be true for the Anglosaxons but the Eu is a paper tiger which can be played with a "divide and conquer" strategy which has been used by Russia for example in energ policy.(Germany pursuing the Nabucco pipeline while Italians practically torpedoed it by signing a seperate deal with Russia).
We Serbs have the support of these rising powers while the Albanians have the support of the demising powers,that is the main point...

Guess who will win at the end?
Perpare yourself for recognitions being revoced very soon,this is a very serious matter for China(Taiwan and Tibet) and Russia(because of our racial bonds)!

BTW Hans,you shouldn`t speak to ignorantly of the Russians,after all,they told you Germans in WW2 a lesson which you and the world will never forget.

I don't think Serbia is looking to buy the votes unlike some. I guess cheating is they only way to win!
(AdamSRB, 14 January 2010 11:58)

There is always an excuse, isn’t there AdamSRB??!!!
Do not forget that excuses are simply the means of justifying incompetence.

(Mr Q, 14 January 2010 11:50)
The true damage to the ICJ reputation came when it agreed to hear Serbia's request for an opinion, while saying they have no intention of accepting it if it is not to their liking.
This showed to the world that the opinion carries no weight.
Everyone who takes a case to court hopes that they will win, whether this is a court or arbitration etc. But usually there is some type of agreement that they will be bound by the decision.
So when Serbia says this, why should anyone wait for the final ruling to make a decision to recognize or not recognize.

'And why does that matter? Palestine has over 100 and what good has that done? Until Palestinians and Israelis, Serbians and ethnic Albanians come to an agreement, these type of recognitions are meaningless.

(Zoran, 14 January 2010 12:48) '

What good does it do? Well, the FIFA told Kosovo at their last meeting they could discuss membership when Kosovo got another 30 recognitions or so, and that was about 5 recognitions ago.

This recognition will not change the situation on the ground while the status quo continues. Only through negotiations can we conclude the status and follow the path to peace and prosperity.
(Zoran, 14 January 2010 11:22)

You are a little late sir. Why didn't you negotiate 15 years ago when we tried to negotiate under Rugova?

We have nothing to negotiate. And we have seen the peace and prosperity we experienced under Serbia.

You tried to kill and cleanse us first, and when you failed you want to negotiate?! Really!

In Albania we say "Brick by Brick, we build a castle". Things might not be changing fast enough but they are changing. Every recognition, every institution built, every police officer on duty, judge, etc is a sure step towards a solid and stable state. Of course with great help from EU and US.
We waited 100 years to free ourselves from Serbian oppression, we can be patient in building our state as well.


A new nation is building itself and I think there is nothing that will reverse that.

Oh great, one sink hole recognises another.

(kate, 14 January 2010 11:26)
Kate, you did an excellent post, however, if you cannot say that you will respect the majority opinion of the court whether you agree or not---they are just words on a page.

Michael R: "Sounds like double talk ot me."

That's because you haven't bothered to read it properly or think about it. It actually makes perfect sense if you read it properly.

The decision is non binding because of the setup of the court, not because of any decision by Serbia.

"In Albania we say "Brick by Brick, we build a castle". Things might not be changing fast enough but they are changing. Every recognition, every institution built, every police officer on duty, judge, etc is a sure step towards a solid and stable state. Of course with great help from EU and US.
We waited 100 years to free ourselves from Serbian oppression, we can be patient in building our state as well.
A new nation is building itself and I think there is nothing that will reverse that.
(Denis"
I bless Mauritania and her wise decision re: Kosova.
May the Force Be with Kosova and her people. And, you too Denis, for your superior and wise words. Peace and Love for all Balkan people, but especially the Albanian people, who have suffered unimaginably throughout her long ancient history.

Amer

http://de.uefa.com/newsfiles/64675.pdf

Read article 5 which clearly states that to obtain membership you must be an UNO recognized country,which means member of the UN.
Guess when this is going to happen to "Kosovo".

am willing to bet 99% of Albanians did not even know that Mauritiana was a country prior to this recognition.
One would think that this recognition process is a interesting way of teaching Albanians some geography?
(Vuk, 14 January 2010 14:32)

...teaching Serbs some geography too!

Denis, so what happened to you leave us alone and we leave you alone. Looks like Pristina can't help itself but to interfere in Serbian controlled areas.
(Zoran, 14 January 2010 19:08)

Prishtina is wrong, I agree with you, if it was for me I would give you N-Mitrovica in exchange of Preshevo Valley or ask for a population exchange.Hell I would give you N-Mitrovica and ask you nothing in return, take it I don't care, just to get rid of Serbia.

Now follow my logic.

Serbs population is one of the fastest declining in the world, while K-Alb is one of the fastest growing. Long term Serbia has no interest in keeping Albanians within their state as they will become a majority in a near future. In 100 years K-Alb may become a majority and Serbs will loose control of their own homeland, democratically (Albanians will control the majority vote).

The fear is that Serbia naturally will not allow that (I woudn't). Instead Serbia will seek a way to cleanse Kosovo from the Albanians if Kosovo stays an integral part of Serbia, and war will start all over again this time even more brutal.

Kosovo independence will save everyone a lot of trouble in the future.

Albanian Federation, a reality sooner than you might think.
(Zoti, 14 January 2010 20:47)

Even if Kosovo becomes a state then the Kosovo constitution says it cannot merge with another state!

If however the UDI is found to have been illegal it means that no recognitions are therefore valid in international law, and while there will be no forced withdrawal of recognitions there will certainly be a lot of nations rethinking their approaches.
(kate, 14 January 2010 13:03)

Kate,

Sounds like double talk ot me.
First, if Serbia had the courage of its convictions that the ICJ opinion would be in its favor, why then didn't Serbia agree to a binding decision rather than just an advisory one? This alone shows that Serbia is wasting the Court's time.

Secondly, since Serbia has stated that it will NOT abide by the Court's ruling in the event of an adverse decision, how then can the International community take seriously any of Serbia's "complaints".

Russia, China, veto, UNSC!
(Ron, 14 January 2010 17:40)

Albanian Federation, a reality sooner than you might think.

Russia, China, veto, UNSC!
(Ron, 14 January 2010 17:40)

REALITY

Albanian Federation, a reality sooner than you might think.
(Zoti, 14 January 2010
20:47)

FANTASY.

Another recognition in the bag. ; )

Why do K-Albs call it "Kosova"? Does it mean something in Albanian because it does in Serbian!
I guess if you give it a nick name of your own that makes it legally yours.
(AdamSRB, 14 January 2010 22:19)

Kosova means nothing in Albanian. Its just a name conjured up by Albanian sepatists in the 1940 to differentiate if from the Serbian 'Kosovo'. The problem is that they didn't realize that 'Kosova' is a Bantu speaking tribe located in Kenya , West Africa. Look it up via Google. So not only are the K-Albs stealing land they are stealing the identity of an African tribe.

"Kosovo could if it reached 2/3 of recognition from UNO member states to become a member state of the UNO without bringing this case on the table of the UNO-SC. This knows Belgrade, thats why it is so interested to stop new recognition.

Serbia should know that Kosovo of this day will never ever be a part of Serbia, expect it happens a big catastrophe.
(luis, 14 January 2010 22:50) "

I am squirming with embarrassment at your public display of ignorance about UN entry and the veto.

Why don't you ask the UN or any bona fide political science professor where you live before you shoot off more inaccuracies or wishful thinking about UN membership?

Another recognition in the bag. ; )
(KOSOVARi, 14 January 2010 23:23)

How much was the bribe used to pay off the Mauritanian military junta?

number 65, and continuing to grow. wonderful news.
roberto
frisco
(roberto, 14 January 2010 19:29)

Realistically, not 65 but 6.5 (inches) are the standard. Growing beyond 10 is abnormal, not wonderful.

Everything has a price :)

The only problem with your offer Dennis is that no part of Kosovo is yours to exchange for anything.
(Peggy, 14 January 2010 22:55)

Well this is a matter of opinion. I believe I can bring a lot of 3 party sources that differ from your beliefs, just like you can do the same thing I guess.

In any case one thing is for sure. Serbia got and held Kosovo among many contraversies now for 100 years. Throughout history Kosovo has been an open issue for Serbia since the moment it was rewarded to you, and Serbia never learned how to manage it responsibly.

I think one of the problems that brought us to this point, it's exactly this kind of mentality which is exclusive.

If Kosovo would have been promoted by Serbia as a place of co-existence, peace, harmony, common values, and common goals, things would have been way better and Kosovo would have been within Serbia today.

But Serbs want to exclude and make K-Alb feel as they are some kind of invaders in their own homes. Ask every common Serbs and they will talk to you about myths and tales of Kosovo, and how Albanians do not belong there. Than your beloved leaders send in the army to kill, murder and destroy en masse.

Now you are only reaping what you saw.

"Wrong again,
Yes, the matter goes first to UNSC, and if there is a veto, then any UNSC Permanent member has the right to file a motion to take the matter to UNGA. If it goes there, all you need is 2/3 majority and you become a UN member.
(Kosova-USA, 15 January 2010 11:17) "

I must say that your ignorance about UN entry procedures is fully matched by your audacity at concocting your own UN entry procedures and expecting to get away with it!

Don't you realize that you only end up making yourself a laughing stock to everyone here?

Why don't you ask the UN itself, or your own government in Pristina or Washington whether UN entry is as easy as you claimed?

I will be kind to you and provide you with a link on the basic procedure of UN entry --> http://www.un.org/ga/ropga_adms.shtml

Under Rule 137 of the UN, when the UNSC does NOT recommend membership to an applicant (including because the veto was used), the GA can consider the matter BUT IT CANNOT AFTER THAT GO AHEAD TO VOTE IN THIS APPLICANT as you claimed. The GA can only send the application back to the UNSC for reconsideration, which in practical terms means this membership application will be vetoed over and over again in the UNSC. And that is why you never see the GA bothering to send back any application rejected by any of the Big 5 in the UNSC.

Trust me, with China and Russia among the Big 5 in the UNSC, Kosovo can forget about UN entry. Kosovo will be in limbo like Taiwan, but minus the latter's wealth.

Hahaha, wheeeeee something something something something democracy something something something something Jeremic is a jerk something something something something Illyrians :)
(Mike, 14 January 2010 16:23)

Are you under impression that you are impressing anyone with your "professorship"?

BTW With Russia and Chinas might rising prepare for recognitions being revoked,remember Africa and Asia will in the future listen more and more to China and Russia and not to the US.
Remember the example of Taiwan.
(CG, 14 January 2010 15:51)

If Russia has such a big influence...I don't get why nobody wants to recognise its 2 microb states in Caucasus hahahaahaah neither China nor India...I understand they insist in paying Nauru hahahahaha

Never forget that neither China nor India are friends of Russia (Russia is not even a junior partner for China)...nor are China and India firends...
This precisely will preserve the West strength....we, EU and US, are historically and culturally linked and RICH....and together we total more than 1 billion people...so, personnaly I'm absolutely not pesimistic for the future of our block....
We just have to follow our road and watch China and India clash against each other...

Mike, for being a non-Serb, you do seem to post here often.

Anyway looks like there's no incentive for negotiations when countries are recognizing the reality even before the ICJ gives its verdict. Looks like the ICJ will also delve in such reality.

Kosovo will move forward and will not stoop to the level of a bitter and stubborn "Minister for Kosovo".

Long live Kosovo, free and proud.

Mauretania...
That was a strong card! I wonder how Belgrade is going to survive this Tsunami of recognitions that Maruetania are a part of...

"If Kosovo gets just over half of the UN member states to recognise it, it can become a UN Observer. This cannot be blocked with Security Council veto. Observer status will be used as a stepping stone for full membership.
(Ian, UK, 15 January 2010 13:36) "

I don't think Belgrade minds Pristina getting observer status any more than the Israelis and Chinese care about same for Palestine and Taiwan.

Wrong again,
Yes, the matter goes first to UNSC, and if there is a veto, then any UNSC Permanent member has the right to file a motion to take the matter to UNGA. If it goes there, all you need is 2/3 majority and you become a UN member.
(Kosova-USA, 15 January 2010 11:17)

You are wrong ,my friend,to obtain membership the vote goes to the UN General Session,if it passes it goes to the UN Security Council and there you will be voted out by Russia.
Make no mistakes,to get a member of UNO,you must get the approval of the UN security council(practically the approval of Russia and China).
I wonder when will that happen?LOL

Serbs are so upset of every single recognition. Because you know very well, that with every single recognition Kosovo will be one step forward to a stable state. Some of you here claim that Kosovo is forever banned of international organization especially the UNO. Who you came to this conclusion? One year after declaring independence Kosovo became a member of two inter.organization where serbia is still also a member, if you would follow the logic of Tadic so you have to leave this organization.

Serbs should stop to compare themselves and their country with China, Russia or India. Serbia is and will never be a world power. China and Taiwan are one nation, with different views, Kosovo and Serbia are not a country and not a nation, only a world war and a military strong Serbia will bring Kosovo under his power,like 1912-14.

Kosovo could if it reached 2/3 of recognition from UNO member states to become a member state of the UNO without bringing this case on the table of the UNO-SC. This knows Belgrade, thats why it is so interested to stop new recognition.

Serbia should know that Kosovo of this day will never ever be a part of Serbia, expect it happens a big catastrophe.

Trust me, with China and Russia among the Big 5 in the UNSC, Kosovo can forget about UN entry. Kosovo will be in limbo like Taiwan, but minus the latter's wealth.
(lowe, 15 January 2010 13:42)
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Thanks for making it so clear lowe. That's the problem with our ethnic Albanians here. They believe there is a higher authority at the UN than the Security Council. The simple fact is that non exist.

We have Amer here claiming that the Secretary General and Attisari have higher powers than the UNSC and they alone can determine the end of the interim period as set in UNSCR1244.

Put simply, we either respect the structures of international law or we risk the consequences of making up our own rules. The problem the West faces is that it does not have the powerful to take on the East.

I wouldn't be surprised if we get another Iron Curtain drawn, but this time around the West. The question being where does Serbia fit into all of this? Both sides are pulling us.

Well Mike impressed me with his "professorship"!

'If however the UDI is found to have been illegal it means that no recognitions are therefore valid in international law....


(kate, 14 January 2010 13:03)'

What are you basing the idea of an "illegal recognition" on?

Another recognition in the bag. ; )
(KOSOVARi, 14 January 2010 23:23)

I am going to suggest that you frame this one, since the bag with the rest of your recognitions is tainted, and it should be boldly marked contaminated, and thus contained.

If Kosovo gets just over half of the UN member states to recognise it, it can become a UN Observer. This cannot be blocked with Security Council veto. Observer status will be used as a stepping stone for full membership.

(Ian, UK, 15 January 2010 13:36)

ian,again,you keep repeating the mantra about kosovo joining the UN.

To be a UN member you must go through the security council,so keep building your stepping stones,the important thing is that Russia and China will veto you.

Therefore: bye,bye UN and with it the status as a country!

(Amer, 15 January 2010 02:05)

Maybe because it has the world biggest nuclear arsenal(40.000 warheads)?
Maybe because it has the things that China desperetaly wants?
(resources)
Maybe because it has the Eurpoean industry completely by its with its gas monopoly?
Maybe it has due to its size contact with Europe,the Middle East,Far East and America and therefore is a big player in all of these regions?

BTW The Russian population is rising again,due to a 1 million ruble check for every ethnic Russian newborn child.
That is what I call family policies,the Russians are a very tough race.

China and Russia are going to control Asias economy and will control the world.
Just wait until the dollar is dumped,yesterday Iran and Turkey decided to trade with China and Russia in rubles and yuan.
The ground is being set.
Step by step they are building their castle!

Why Russia - with the cooperation of Chilna will/will not take over the world:

"Maybe because it has the world biggest nuclear arsenal(40.000 warheads)?"

>> This is almost irrelevant - even a war between second-tier nuclear countries would be enough to produce a world-wide nuclear winter: 10 years of sunlight blocked by the resulting particulate matter in the stratosphere (too high to be washed out by precipitation). The January issue of Scientific American has a story on this - a summary is available at http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=local-nuclear-war. If you have trouble generating nightmares on your own, this will help. (On the other hand, it would certainly lower global temperatures enough so we could forget about global warming for a while.)

"Maybe because it has the things that China desperetaly wants? (resources)"

See Russian bloggers - there are other ways of getting these than making Russia a partner. For example, http://grani.ru/opinion/piontkovsky/m.173037.html

"Maybe because it has the Eurpoean industry completely by its with its gas monopoly?"

But for how long? http://gazeta.ru/business/2010/01/13/3311096.shtml

http://nohotair.typepad.co.uk/no_hot_air/2009/12/poland-shale-gas-again.html - I've got more links, but this is the Mauritania page after all. Just Google "shale gas" if you want more on how American engineering is saving the world from Russian energy domination.

"Maybe it has due to its size contact with Europe,the Middle East,Far East and America and therefore is a big player in all of these regions?"

China is perfectly capable of dealing with these areas on its own.

"BTW The Russian population is rising again,due to a 1 million ruble check for every ethnic Russian newborn child.
That is what I call family policies,the Russians are a very tough race. "

The population bulge in the Russian demographic python has been almost digested - they're entering 10-20 year period of a shortage of potential mothers. Especially of "ethnic Russians."

(CG, 15 January 2010 00:24)

Why don't you send your analysis along to the Russian Ministry of Defense? They'll be glad to know they don't have to worry about that little problem to their East, after all.

As for the SCO, Russia and Germany had an alliance before WWII - when it came time, Hitler ignored it. As Stalin would have, if he'd been stronger. Think about it - why would China, with its population of 1.3 billion, offer to share world domination with Russia, with its population of 141 million and falling?

Another one done, and weels on the bus go round and round

I am squirming with embarrassment at your public display of ignorance about UN entry and the veto.

Why don't you ask the UN or any bona fide political science professor where you live before you shoot off more inaccuracies or wishful thinking about UN membership?
(lowe, 15 January 2010 08:24)

Wrong again,
Yes, the matter goes first to UNSC, and if there is a veto, then any UNSC Permanent member has the right to file a motion to take the matter to UNGA. If it goes there, all you need is 2/3 majority and you become a UN member.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mauritania#After_the_coup

Hi Ian, as you can see here the recent Mauritanian elections, they were about as legitimate as the recent Afghan and Honduran elections.

'Democracy' rules in Mauritania where hundeds of thousands of blacks are kept in virtual slavery.

'Amer, you mean to say all this effort is just to get Kosovo into FIFA? I'm sure Serbia would offer that at the negotiating table. After all, Scotland, Wales and England each have a team but all live within the same
(Zoran, 14 January 2010 19:08) '

The problem isn't Serbia. When Gibraltar wanted to join, Spain pushed to change the membership rules so that UN membership was required - that's what has been holding things up. I have no idea how FIFA plans to get around this rule or whether they may simply do away with it. Membership would, apparently, mean a lot to Kosovo, so it's good to see a way opening towards achieving it. It makes every recognition all that much more valuable - only 25 to go! (Or so.)

How much was the bribe used to pay off the Mauritanian military junta?
(Niall O'Doherty, 15 January 2010 11:11)

Actually the former leader of the Junta stepped down from the military to run for President. OCSE, EU, OIC, Arab League etc all said that the election was democratic. Besides Mauritania has been saying for 8 months now that it would recognise Kosovo because of KSA's recognition. Also Kosovo doesn't bribe countries, it is not required; that is Russian trick. Lobbying works just fine. This recognition was always going to happen.

'We have Amer here claiming that the Secretary General and Attisari have higher powers than the UNSC and they alone can determine the end of the interim period as set in UNSCR1244. '

Where the SC is blocked, somebody has to act.

'Read article 5 which clearly states that to obtain membership you must be an UNO recognized country,which means member of the UN.
Guess when this is going to happen to "Kosovo".
(CG, 14 January 2010 23:57) '

These aren't the Ten Commandments. They've been amended once, they can be amended again.

(CG, 15 January 2010 14:18)

...and with observer status comes de facto recognition of Kosovo by the UN, regardless of China and Russia.

Only through negotiations can we conclude the status and follow the path to peace and prosperity.
(Zoran, 14 January 2010 11:22)

No thanks. We're good.

I am willing to bet 99% of Albanians did not even know that Mauritiana was a country prior to this recognition.
One would think that this recognition process is a interesting way of teaching Albanians some geography?
(Vuk, 14 January 2010 14:32)

Yes, MR VUK, beacause of the lack and knowledge, us Albanians live now on an an Independent country.
Guess what;Vuce, Things have changed drastically nowadays. Albanians are multilingual and know what is best for them.

This is good news ! especially since Kosovo is in court more recognition is more welcomed! I hope soon South Africa recognizes because on the ground in S.Africa we really want to accept Kosovo as a country its the government that is divided anyways Good LUCK AT court Kosovo and i hope more good stuff come your way !

Also good luck Serbia , u gonna need it !

'...and with observer status comes de facto recognition of Kosovo by the UN, regardless of China and Russia.
(Ian, UK, 15 January 2010 18:59) '

Mmmm ... maybe. How much good has it done Palestine, though?

There's another possibility, a real hail-Mary pass (desperate, daring attempt, if you don't watch American football) - the "Uniting for Peace" procedure, under which the GA can call a special session if the SC is blocked by a veto. At such a session the GA can pass a "recommendation." The SC can block this if there is some action needed to implement the recommendation - sending troops in somewhere, for example, but since all the SC does with a vote on membership is to send its recommendation to the GA, maybe this would be irrelevant.

Serbia is the one who keeps saying that stability is threatened by Kosovo's existence - maybe someday, when Kosovo has plenty of recognitions, the claim can be used to initiate this procedure.

(Mariam Grant, Bloemfontien .S.A
Hi, Mariam! We, Serbs have truth on our side! How about Albanians? Do you hope that court will believe in polar bears stories of albanian team? That court is not the same court that had let war criminals:Oric, Haradinaj free.

good news ! my serbian friends,
dont forget your "russian brothers" entered in a phase of decline of population. and after 20 years the majority there will be muslim there so the veto will be not eternal !!!

good news ! my serbian friends,
dont forget your "russian brothers" entered in a phase of decline of population. and after 20 years the majority there will be muslim there so the veto will be not eternal !!!
(erjon-tirana, 17 January 2010 00:46)

Moscow, November 1, Interfax - The number of ethnic Muslims in Russia who adopted Christianity is 2 million, while the number of the Orthodox who have been converted to Islam is only 2,5 thousand, stated Roman Silantyev, executive secretary of the Inter-religious Council in Russia.
http://www.interfax-religion.com/?act=news&div=513
Thanks for the chuckle Tirana under no circumstances hold your breath, or perhaps give it a go.