No recognition “ever, under any circumstances”

tadic is smoking some funny stuff.

Now that you have free visas and you enojy them for a while when threatend with having tyo aplly for visas again Kosovo will be given immediately.
We see what will happen. Kosovo does not need to go in EY very small and can sell all via Albanian markets. What will Serbia do?

Lets see how this plays out
(UNE, 12 January 2010 20:35)

UNE, I think it's you who is smoking funny stuff. What makes you think that Serbia will be threatened with withdrawal of visas if they don't recognise Kosovo?

Everyone from EU has already said that this is not a condition for joining EU. So who is telling you otherwise?

“wants to be a part of the solution rather than the problem in Kosovo”

Nice try, after you got slapped by NATO for trying otherwise. Now watch as your EU is dead on tracks.

Serbia should create a youth organization that goes to parts of Kosovo during the year to do community work.
Build friends, homes, roadways, churches, art, music..... Invest with your youth-

No recognition “ever, under any circumstances”

What an idiotic statement, just after preaching for negotiations to reach a supposed "compromise".

It deserves only one answer.
"No negotiations “ever, under any circumstances”

Nice try, after you got slapped by NATO for trying otherwise. Now watch as your EU is dead on tracks.
(aRta, 12 January 2010 20:29)
--
Tadic and co are in bed with the EU, co-operating and making backroom deals. Why would they embarrass him and give the opposition a chance to take power?

Ethnic Albanians are loyal and will never go against the US, regardless of what is demanded. Albanians were won a long time ago while Serbia is the prize.

I suspect status negotiations have already concluded and we just need to go through the formalities. Sign on the dotted line will be the instruction to Pristina. You know you can't go against the wishes of the US.

@aRta: i am amazed at how you and many others are impressed at nato's actions 11 years ago. if you think 32 countries with a combined population of 1.5 billion illegally attacking 1 country of 10 million is heroic or humanitarian , then you seriously need a lesson in what is true honor and heroisim....

"What an idiotic statement, just after preaching for negotiations to reach a supposed "compromise". (miri)

-- No dumber than Hash refusing to discuss anything short of Belgrade recognizing. Tadic's statement seems more for the consumption of EU officials than Serbs and Albanians, which is taken as redundant. It basically reaffirms the official "anything but independence" position. Moreover, it kills any remaining thought that Serbia can be bought off, or that Pristina gets a free pass when thinking of grander things like EU membership.

tadic is smoking some funny stuff.

Now that you have free visas and you enojy them for a while when threatend with having tyo aplly for visas again Kosovo will be given immediately.
We see what will happen. Kosovo does not need to go in EY very small and can sell all via Albanian markets. What will Serbia do?

Lets see how this plays out

, jeopardizing the survival of the Serb people and institutions in Kosovo,” the president wondered, and said that individuals that might be abusing that money deserve to be condemned and prevented, “which the state will do”.

Firts of all ,Kosova institution operate by tax payers money from Kosovar citizens. As far as you Serb tax payers money sent to your paralel structures, you can condem or prevent them, but I sugest you punish them for taking Serbia for a ride. I can assure you that no single ordinary K-Serb sees any of that money that comes from Serbia.

# Serbia should create a youth organization that goes to parts of Kosovo during the year to do community work.
Build friends, homes, roadways, churches, art, music..... Invest with your youth-
(Clooney, 12 January 2010 20:38)

Hello George, are you talking about the youth like Putinjuggend.

Considering the huge amount of money set aside for Kosovo by Serbia. Since none of it passes through Kosovo govt hands nor international hands, determining whose pockets it ends up in should be no problem.

Tadic must be dreaming, yo man it's never going to happen but it's OK for you to hope. Too bad for you that Kosova's status was solved on Feb 17th 2008.
There will be another serbian xmass next year and you'll be hoping to step on Kosova's soil again, do you already know that this year was last time for you to go to Kosova?. There is no one to blame but yourself for being denied to cross the Kosova-Serbia border in the future. I hope I'm wrong mr tadic!

Tadić also said during the interview that will air this evening that Serbia will pursue an active foreign policy, with negotiations as a means of resolving the future status of Kosovo and Metohija.

What future status are you talking about Mr.Tadic? The status of Kosovo is well defined in the serbian constitution.What is that you don't like abou it?You say that Kosovo has a failed as a state,we Albanians say we like to live in a failed state. If you really don't want to manage the lives of the Albanians than change the serbian constitution.

never means never little albania.
thanks but nice try.

>>No recognition “ever, under any circumstances”>>

i swear i am getting so tired of this...guy. who is he -- the president of a normal country? and i had just finally gone out of my way, i mean on a major STRETCH to say: the proposed resolution on srebrenica was at least an attempt to move forward, at least a stab at pragmatism. now, 1 step forward (supposedly); 6 steps back. the guy is hopeless, together w/ most of the current blgd leadership. they are the worst, most transparent hypocrites.

oh how long do we have to wait before serbia is led by normal people who do not long to make their neighbors miserable, and who make such a pitiful mockery of "international law." really pathetic, tadic.

roberto
frisco

Under the circumstances I'm recognizing Kosovo's proclamation of sovereignty and a word of encouragement for the Albanians is to keep hope alive and consider the possibility that your dreams of an officially independent Kosovo could be attained.

"There will be another serbian xmass next year and you'll be hoping to step on Kosova's soil again, do you already know that this year was last time for you to go to Kosova?. There is no one to blame but yourself for being denied to cross the Kosova-Serbia border in the future. I hope I'm wrong mr tadic!"
(Nelli_Canada, 12 January 2010 23:06)

Actually I don't think that you hope you are wrong. I think that you would love this to be the case but unfortunately there is no way it can play out this way.

You guys are all about punishement aren't you?
You don't play ball with us, we will punish you or NATO will punish you etc. etc.

roberto mr tadic is a president of country of 10 plus milion people serbs croats albanians roma romanians hugarians ukranians poles russians vla english and french and german and many other nationaleties that call serbia proper home, including kosovo .
i hope that answers your question

Dear Mr. TadiC,

the recognition of Republic of Serbia is appreciated. If you refuse to do so, our leaders and the Kosovar population will not lose a minute of sleep. Furthermore, Kosova is the key to EU integration for Serbia...no recognition means no membership.

Do not forget that the average Kosovar Serb is looking more and more towards Prishtina / Pristina for guidance and not Beograd / Belgrade. These previous elections can attest to the reality on the ground. Your bribery is coming up short every day and with Serbia going bankrupt (see Dinar inflation, economic downturn) your money is dwindling.

The only negotiations that could happens is between Government of Kosovo and the minority Serbs in the north...perhaps further decentralization? There is no turning back.

Kosova is independent.

Sincerely,
KOSOVARi

Respect ICJ decision or else you will face another biger problem and face secuences.

What part of never don't you understand?

Well miri, I really don't see any country that "supports" Kosovo going out of its way to either restrain Serbia or remind Belgrade where it's authority ends. I daresay that's going to really hamper Serbia's EU-bid, since 5 EU members refuse to recognize Kosovo. As for your statement "it's just a matter of time for [the 5 naysayers] to change their stance", how long have you and others been saying that? You think things are going to change in the future? If you have any tangible evidence, I'd love to hear it, but Spain, Cyprus, Romania, and Slovakia, have all been pretty adamant about their opinions. It only takes one to spoil the EU fun, and currently Kosovo has 5. And that's before anyone looks at the levels of corruption and standards of living.

The "ramblings" as you like to call it, are, however you like it, the realities that you refuse to take beyond insignificant chatter. Tadic isn't regarded as some crackpot Serbian nationalist like Seselj or even Nikolic. He and his party are establishing tangible working relationships with countries that you claim are in your camp. While it's probably not going to really alter Kosovo's "status", it's funny how nearly two years into "independence" and Pristina still doesn't control anything more than they had in 2008. The most they can do is harass drivers with Serbian plates, and push Bogdanovic around a little now and again. If the world really cared about your plight, they'd have thrown the gauntlet down. But they're more interested in keeping peace, cooperating with Belgrade, and avoiding the exodus of the last Serbs out of Kosovo. And it seems to me they appear content to do it while walking over Pristina's sovereignty.

Amer,

What did you expect the man to say? I mean come on, he's the President of Serbia. By now, we should all pretty much go "well, DUH!" when hearing the expected reactions from Belgrade and Pristina. Did you expect any less from the Albanians refusing any talks? At the very least, we can take away from Tadic's comment that while Serbia wouldn't recognize Kosovo, it's pretty much powerless to keep others from doing so and that it would be willing to negotiate with the relevant parties in resorting out what goes to where and who.

And as far as those who bristle at Tadic refusing to recognize even in light of a (unlikely) win for Pristina, haven't we also heard statements by Washington that it also would not acknowledge a ruling it would'd agree with?

Perhaps the only useful thing the ICJ is going to do is formally declare how stalemate the entire situation is.

If Belgrade says it is never willing to recognise Kosovo, then why should Pristina say it is willing to negotiate? It seems rather one sided to me.

Tadic said: No recognition “ever, under any circumstances”!

So why ask ICJ for opinion at all if you are not going to accept an eventual outcome in favour of independence? Why waste Serbia’s tax payers’ money (millions of Euros) for those expensive fancy Western lawyers you have hired to present Serbia’s case before ICJ? In addition, by not respecting an eventual outcome in favour of independence Serbia would disrespect the ICJ in general… Not a good sign for a democratic and civilised state, don’t you think?

No recognition “ever, under any circumstances”

Even if the ICJ opinion says that Kosovo's independence was legal ?

"The Hague-based International Court of Justice (ICJ) is expected to give its advisory opinion this year" Tadic has refrained from saying that the decision will be passed in Serbia's favour.... that's all i had to say!!

"Moreover, it kills any remaining thought that Serbia can be bought off, or that Pristina gets a free pass when thinking of grander things like EU membership.
(Mike, 12 January 2010 23:20)"

Good grief, Mike - he's a politician! These are *words* - and words don't in themselves produce effects. And as far as anything lasting forever, we all remember how permanent the USSR seemed not that long ago. (At least I wasn't the only one that got that one wrong.) I'm not into predictions, but as a general rule, people who have been free don't easily give it up.

On the other hand, the Freedom House annual survey is out, and it reports an decrease of freedom in the world, so it may be necessary to get to a certain level before people are willing and able to fight - politically, at any rate - for their freedoms. Kosovo, BTW, seems to be the star pupil this year - it was the sole country to improve in both political and civil rights and moved from Unfree to Partly Free.

Roberto typifies the "ugly American" it seems. How arrogant of him to carry the attitude of "I know what is best for the whole world, look at me!" This is why much of the world hates us. I apologize to any non-American this guy offends. His arrogance is disgusting.

Srecen nove godine!!!

Belgrade cannot decide when the standards in Kosovo are reached, the UNO security Council, that is also after conclusions of official Belgrade the only instance to decide over Kosovo. This organ has decide that standards in all this points that Tadic named is reached and that 2005 based on Kai Aide's report. Say never, never.

-- No dumber than Hash refusing to discuss anything short of Belgrade recognizing. Tadic's statement seems more for the consumption of EU officials than Serbs and Albanians, which is taken as redundant. It basically reaffirms the official "anything but independence" position. Moreover, it kills any remaining thought that Serbia can be bought off, or that Pristina gets a free pass when thinking of grander things like EU membership.
(Mike, 12 January 2010 23:20)

Hash is not asking for anything, dumber or not it's our problem, while Tadic is almost dropping saliva on the floor while begging for a little bit of ownership. "Please we'll not rule you just say that we own you, just this once, please!!".

Serbia is already been bought, by Russia and EU. If you have any illusion, than you better come down from the moon you're living in.


Kosova will make it into EU since has the support of the ones that make EU being EU. As per the last fives, it's just a matter of time for them to change their stance.
As per Serbia, the only hope is to run unofficial business in K-North and when will come to it, will have to chose EU or leave K-North alone.
The usual rambling of Tadic and Jeremic is just smoke in the air. Their voices are heard only in this forum, no where else.

this is all politics!! of course serbia obviously accepts Kosovo's independence otherwise why would they apply for EU membership? They know that with the KS problem they will never be accepted, yes they may not have to recognize but they have to accept which basically means they have to recognize. What they're doing is buying time and excuses for an easier pass into the EU but dont kid yourself it's just politics. What the ICJ says is non-binding and it will somewhat favor the outcome anyway although wont mention it explicitly. For normal ppl like me and you this all wont change much, the big powers have decided and it will remain so.

oh how long do we have to wait before serbia is led by normal people who do not long to make their neighbors miserable, and who make such a pitiful mockery of "international law." really pathetic, tadic.

roberto
frisco
(roberto, 13 January 2010 05:15)

Oh how long do we have to endure your racism here?

Do tell us how is Serbia making her neighbours miserable when Serbia has no say in any of their affairs.

The fact that Serbia will not lie down and let them dismember her and trample all over the rest is making some like you miserable, I say too bad. Live with it.

'Srecen nove godine!!!
(Jason, 13 January 2010 22:22)'

Jason, just ask somebody in the office how to say it - even the Albanians would be glad to help you, I'm sure.

Never say never, this is more evident in politics. Actually, for Serbia the rejection of recognition of Kosova is equal with the Serbia rejection of the certainity for its own future. From the perspective of Prishtina, the recognition of Belgrade is not a matter of concern. On the contrary, for Belgrade itself this is the crucial issue which stands as Damocles spade over the whole Serbian political spectrum. This why the Belgrade is dreaming about negotiations, because the polical hour of Tadic and his cabinet is winded up over the Kosova issue, their impossible mission.

We albanains should really give it up since Tadic, with a honorary doctorate from Timisoara University, said No recognition “ever, under any circumstances”. And especially we should listen to that ghoul with the Harvard degree.

'And as far as those who bristle at Tadic refusing to recognize even in light of a (unlikely) win for Pristina, haven't we also heard statements by Washington that it also would not acknowledge a ruling it would'd agree with?

(Mike, 13 January 2010 19:36) '

From the tone of your post I thought you'd given up on beer and had switched to the Kool-Aid: assume that the statements of a politician actually have predictive power?!!

Anyway, the difference between Washington announcing it would not change its behavior in the case of an unfavorable ruling and Belgrade doing the same thing is that Belgrade is the one who went to court. As you must have forgotten.

Actually, I think simply getting the facts and arguments out probably was the best thing that could have happened for Kosovo. Young Mr. Jeremic has been making his pitch for over a year to governments that never heard the other side of the story. Now they have, and Kosovo's picked up two more recognitions - Malawi during the hearings and Mauretania today.

Mauretania is an especially interesting addition, since as we all know from the West Sahara advisory opinion frequently cited during the ICJ proceedings it is in a similar position to Serbia, that is, it claimed a neighboring population of a related people. The ICJ advised in 1975 that the people of West Sahara had a right to self-determination - including setting up an independent state - but they had no international champions, and the situation remains stalemated. In any event, Mauretania apparently does not feel threatened by Kosovo as a precedent.

tadic is smoking some funny stuff.

Now that you have free visas and you enojy them for a while when threatend with having tyo aplly for visas again Kosovo will be given immediately.
We see what will happen. Kosovo does not need to go in EY very small and can sell all via Albanian markets. What will Serbia do?

Lets see how this plays out

“wants to be a part of the solution rather than the problem in Kosovo”

Nice try, after you got slapped by NATO for trying otherwise. Now watch as your EU is dead on tracks.

# Serbia should create a youth organization that goes to parts of Kosovo during the year to do community work.
Build friends, homes, roadways, churches, art, music..... Invest with your youth-
(Clooney, 12 January 2010 20:38)

Hello George, are you talking about the youth like Putinjuggend.

No recognition “ever, under any circumstances”

What an idiotic statement, just after preaching for negotiations to reach a supposed "compromise".

It deserves only one answer.
"No negotiations “ever, under any circumstances”

, jeopardizing the survival of the Serb people and institutions in Kosovo,” the president wondered, and said that individuals that might be abusing that money deserve to be condemned and prevented, “which the state will do”.

Firts of all ,Kosova institution operate by tax payers money from Kosovar citizens. As far as you Serb tax payers money sent to your paralel structures, you can condem or prevent them, but I sugest you punish them for taking Serbia for a ride. I can assure you that no single ordinary K-Serb sees any of that money that comes from Serbia.

Under the circumstances I'm recognizing Kosovo's proclamation of sovereignty and a word of encouragement for the Albanians is to keep hope alive and consider the possibility that your dreams of an officially independent Kosovo could be attained.

Tadic must be dreaming, yo man it's never going to happen but it's OK for you to hope. Too bad for you that Kosova's status was solved on Feb 17th 2008.
There will be another serbian xmass next year and you'll be hoping to step on Kosova's soil again, do you already know that this year was last time for you to go to Kosova?. There is no one to blame but yourself for being denied to cross the Kosova-Serbia border in the future. I hope I'm wrong mr tadic!

Nice try, after you got slapped by NATO for trying otherwise. Now watch as your EU is dead on tracks.
(aRta, 12 January 2010 20:29)
--
Tadic and co are in bed with the EU, co-operating and making backroom deals. Why would they embarrass him and give the opposition a chance to take power?

Ethnic Albanians are loyal and will never go against the US, regardless of what is demanded. Albanians were won a long time ago while Serbia is the prize.

I suspect status negotiations have already concluded and we just need to go through the formalities. Sign on the dotted line will be the instruction to Pristina. You know you can't go against the wishes of the US.

Serbia should create a youth organization that goes to parts of Kosovo during the year to do community work.
Build friends, homes, roadways, churches, art, music..... Invest with your youth-

@aRta: i am amazed at how you and many others are impressed at nato's actions 11 years ago. if you think 32 countries with a combined population of 1.5 billion illegally attacking 1 country of 10 million is heroic or humanitarian , then you seriously need a lesson in what is true honor and heroisim....

tadic is smoking some funny stuff.

Now that you have free visas and you enojy them for a while when threatend with having tyo aplly for visas again Kosovo will be given immediately.
We see what will happen. Kosovo does not need to go in EY very small and can sell all via Albanian markets. What will Serbia do?

Lets see how this plays out
(UNE, 12 January 2010 20:35)

UNE, I think it's you who is smoking funny stuff. What makes you think that Serbia will be threatened with withdrawal of visas if they don't recognise Kosovo?

Everyone from EU has already said that this is not a condition for joining EU. So who is telling you otherwise?

>>No recognition “ever, under any circumstances”>>

i swear i am getting so tired of this...guy. who is he -- the president of a normal country? and i had just finally gone out of my way, i mean on a major STRETCH to say: the proposed resolution on srebrenica was at least an attempt to move forward, at least a stab at pragmatism. now, 1 step forward (supposedly); 6 steps back. the guy is hopeless, together w/ most of the current blgd leadership. they are the worst, most transparent hypocrites.

oh how long do we have to wait before serbia is led by normal people who do not long to make their neighbors miserable, and who make such a pitiful mockery of "international law." really pathetic, tadic.

roberto
frisco

"What an idiotic statement, just after preaching for negotiations to reach a supposed "compromise". (miri)

-- No dumber than Hash refusing to discuss anything short of Belgrade recognizing. Tadic's statement seems more for the consumption of EU officials than Serbs and Albanians, which is taken as redundant. It basically reaffirms the official "anything but independence" position. Moreover, it kills any remaining thought that Serbia can be bought off, or that Pristina gets a free pass when thinking of grander things like EU membership.

Tadić also said during the interview that will air this evening that Serbia will pursue an active foreign policy, with negotiations as a means of resolving the future status of Kosovo and Metohija.

What future status are you talking about Mr.Tadic? The status of Kosovo is well defined in the serbian constitution.What is that you don't like abou it?You say that Kosovo has a failed as a state,we Albanians say we like to live in a failed state. If you really don't want to manage the lives of the Albanians than change the serbian constitution.

Dear Mr. TadiC,

the recognition of Republic of Serbia is appreciated. If you refuse to do so, our leaders and the Kosovar population will not lose a minute of sleep. Furthermore, Kosova is the key to EU integration for Serbia...no recognition means no membership.

Do not forget that the average Kosovar Serb is looking more and more towards Prishtina / Pristina for guidance and not Beograd / Belgrade. These previous elections can attest to the reality on the ground. Your bribery is coming up short every day and with Serbia going bankrupt (see Dinar inflation, economic downturn) your money is dwindling.

The only negotiations that could happens is between Government of Kosovo and the minority Serbs in the north...perhaps further decentralization? There is no turning back.

Kosova is independent.

Sincerely,
KOSOVARi

If Belgrade says it is never willing to recognise Kosovo, then why should Pristina say it is willing to negotiate? It seems rather one sided to me.

this is all politics!! of course serbia obviously accepts Kosovo's independence otherwise why would they apply for EU membership? They know that with the KS problem they will never be accepted, yes they may not have to recognize but they have to accept which basically means they have to recognize. What they're doing is buying time and excuses for an easier pass into the EU but dont kid yourself it's just politics. What the ICJ says is non-binding and it will somewhat favor the outcome anyway although wont mention it explicitly. For normal ppl like me and you this all wont change much, the big powers have decided and it will remain so.

No recognition “ever, under any circumstances”

Even if the ICJ opinion says that Kosovo's independence was legal ?

"The Hague-based International Court of Justice (ICJ) is expected to give its advisory opinion this year" Tadic has refrained from saying that the decision will be passed in Serbia's favour.... that's all i had to say!!

-- No dumber than Hash refusing to discuss anything short of Belgrade recognizing. Tadic's statement seems more for the consumption of EU officials than Serbs and Albanians, which is taken as redundant. It basically reaffirms the official "anything but independence" position. Moreover, it kills any remaining thought that Serbia can be bought off, or that Pristina gets a free pass when thinking of grander things like EU membership.
(Mike, 12 January 2010 23:20)

Hash is not asking for anything, dumber or not it's our problem, while Tadic is almost dropping saliva on the floor while begging for a little bit of ownership. "Please we'll not rule you just say that we own you, just this once, please!!".

Serbia is already been bought, by Russia and EU. If you have any illusion, than you better come down from the moon you're living in.


Kosova will make it into EU since has the support of the ones that make EU being EU. As per the last fives, it's just a matter of time for them to change their stance.
As per Serbia, the only hope is to run unofficial business in K-North and when will come to it, will have to chose EU or leave K-North alone.
The usual rambling of Tadic and Jeremic is just smoke in the air. Their voices are heard only in this forum, no where else.

Respect ICJ decision or else you will face another biger problem and face secuences.

Tadic said: No recognition “ever, under any circumstances”!

So why ask ICJ for opinion at all if you are not going to accept an eventual outcome in favour of independence? Why waste Serbia’s tax payers’ money (millions of Euros) for those expensive fancy Western lawyers you have hired to present Serbia’s case before ICJ? In addition, by not respecting an eventual outcome in favour of independence Serbia would disrespect the ICJ in general… Not a good sign for a democratic and civilised state, don’t you think?

"Moreover, it kills any remaining thought that Serbia can be bought off, or that Pristina gets a free pass when thinking of grander things like EU membership.
(Mike, 12 January 2010 23:20)"

Good grief, Mike - he's a politician! These are *words* - and words don't in themselves produce effects. And as far as anything lasting forever, we all remember how permanent the USSR seemed not that long ago. (At least I wasn't the only one that got that one wrong.) I'm not into predictions, but as a general rule, people who have been free don't easily give it up.

On the other hand, the Freedom House annual survey is out, and it reports an decrease of freedom in the world, so it may be necessary to get to a certain level before people are willing and able to fight - politically, at any rate - for their freedoms. Kosovo, BTW, seems to be the star pupil this year - it was the sole country to improve in both political and civil rights and moved from Unfree to Partly Free.

Considering the huge amount of money set aside for Kosovo by Serbia. Since none of it passes through Kosovo govt hands nor international hands, determining whose pockets it ends up in should be no problem.

What part of never don't you understand?

roberto mr tadic is a president of country of 10 plus milion people serbs croats albanians roma romanians hugarians ukranians poles russians vla english and french and german and many other nationaleties that call serbia proper home, including kosovo .
i hope that answers your question

"There will be another serbian xmass next year and you'll be hoping to step on Kosova's soil again, do you already know that this year was last time for you to go to Kosova?. There is no one to blame but yourself for being denied to cross the Kosova-Serbia border in the future. I hope I'm wrong mr tadic!"
(Nelli_Canada, 12 January 2010 23:06)

Actually I don't think that you hope you are wrong. I think that you would love this to be the case but unfortunately there is no way it can play out this way.

You guys are all about punishement aren't you?
You don't play ball with us, we will punish you or NATO will punish you etc. etc.

'And as far as those who bristle at Tadic refusing to recognize even in light of a (unlikely) win for Pristina, haven't we also heard statements by Washington that it also would not acknowledge a ruling it would'd agree with?

(Mike, 13 January 2010 19:36) '

From the tone of your post I thought you'd given up on beer and had switched to the Kool-Aid: assume that the statements of a politician actually have predictive power?!!

Anyway, the difference between Washington announcing it would not change its behavior in the case of an unfavorable ruling and Belgrade doing the same thing is that Belgrade is the one who went to court. As you must have forgotten.

Actually, I think simply getting the facts and arguments out probably was the best thing that could have happened for Kosovo. Young Mr. Jeremic has been making his pitch for over a year to governments that never heard the other side of the story. Now they have, and Kosovo's picked up two more recognitions - Malawi during the hearings and Mauretania today.

Mauretania is an especially interesting addition, since as we all know from the West Sahara advisory opinion frequently cited during the ICJ proceedings it is in a similar position to Serbia, that is, it claimed a neighboring population of a related people. The ICJ advised in 1975 that the people of West Sahara had a right to self-determination - including setting up an independent state - but they had no international champions, and the situation remains stalemated. In any event, Mauretania apparently does not feel threatened by Kosovo as a precedent.

never means never little albania.
thanks but nice try.

We albanains should really give it up since Tadic, with a honorary doctorate from Timisoara University, said No recognition “ever, under any circumstances”. And especially we should listen to that ghoul with the Harvard degree.

'Srecen nove godine!!!
(Jason, 13 January 2010 22:22)'

Jason, just ask somebody in the office how to say it - even the Albanians would be glad to help you, I'm sure.

Belgrade cannot decide when the standards in Kosovo are reached, the UNO security Council, that is also after conclusions of official Belgrade the only instance to decide over Kosovo. This organ has decide that standards in all this points that Tadic named is reached and that 2005 based on Kai Aide's report. Say never, never.

Never say never, this is more evident in politics. Actually, for Serbia the rejection of recognition of Kosova is equal with the Serbia rejection of the certainity for its own future. From the perspective of Prishtina, the recognition of Belgrade is not a matter of concern. On the contrary, for Belgrade itself this is the crucial issue which stands as Damocles spade over the whole Serbian political spectrum. This why the Belgrade is dreaming about negotiations, because the polical hour of Tadic and his cabinet is winded up over the Kosova issue, their impossible mission.

oh how long do we have to wait before serbia is led by normal people who do not long to make their neighbors miserable, and who make such a pitiful mockery of "international law." really pathetic, tadic.

roberto
frisco
(roberto, 13 January 2010 05:15)

Oh how long do we have to endure your racism here?

Do tell us how is Serbia making her neighbours miserable when Serbia has no say in any of their affairs.

The fact that Serbia will not lie down and let them dismember her and trample all over the rest is making some like you miserable, I say too bad. Live with it.

Well miri, I really don't see any country that "supports" Kosovo going out of its way to either restrain Serbia or remind Belgrade where it's authority ends. I daresay that's going to really hamper Serbia's EU-bid, since 5 EU members refuse to recognize Kosovo. As for your statement "it's just a matter of time for [the 5 naysayers] to change their stance", how long have you and others been saying that? You think things are going to change in the future? If you have any tangible evidence, I'd love to hear it, but Spain, Cyprus, Romania, and Slovakia, have all been pretty adamant about their opinions. It only takes one to spoil the EU fun, and currently Kosovo has 5. And that's before anyone looks at the levels of corruption and standards of living.

The "ramblings" as you like to call it, are, however you like it, the realities that you refuse to take beyond insignificant chatter. Tadic isn't regarded as some crackpot Serbian nationalist like Seselj or even Nikolic. He and his party are establishing tangible working relationships with countries that you claim are in your camp. While it's probably not going to really alter Kosovo's "status", it's funny how nearly two years into "independence" and Pristina still doesn't control anything more than they had in 2008. The most they can do is harass drivers with Serbian plates, and push Bogdanovic around a little now and again. If the world really cared about your plight, they'd have thrown the gauntlet down. But they're more interested in keeping peace, cooperating with Belgrade, and avoiding the exodus of the last Serbs out of Kosovo. And it seems to me they appear content to do it while walking over Pristina's sovereignty.

Amer,

What did you expect the man to say? I mean come on, he's the President of Serbia. By now, we should all pretty much go "well, DUH!" when hearing the expected reactions from Belgrade and Pristina. Did you expect any less from the Albanians refusing any talks? At the very least, we can take away from Tadic's comment that while Serbia wouldn't recognize Kosovo, it's pretty much powerless to keep others from doing so and that it would be willing to negotiate with the relevant parties in resorting out what goes to where and who.

And as far as those who bristle at Tadic refusing to recognize even in light of a (unlikely) win for Pristina, haven't we also heard statements by Washington that it also would not acknowledge a ruling it would'd agree with?

Perhaps the only useful thing the ICJ is going to do is formally declare how stalemate the entire situation is.

Roberto typifies the "ugly American" it seems. How arrogant of him to carry the attitude of "I know what is best for the whole world, look at me!" This is why much of the world hates us. I apologize to any non-American this guy offends. His arrogance is disgusting.

Srecen nove godine!!!