Monday, 11.01.2010.
13:41
Priština’s Albanian language daily Koha Ditore writes that EULEX is reserved towards the Kosovo Albanian government idea to “install judges” in the north.
Izvor: Tanjug
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(Amer, 12 January 2010 20:56)
Amer - when UCk started their terrorist attacks - in Kosovo were only small army units. So - bandits can have their own "big victories". But after 3rd Army units comes into province - they were crushed and escaped into mountains or to Albania.
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Quote from Flamur (See below) - The time when all foreign occupiers will be driven from Kosova is now very close.
Which foreign occupiers - US, EU, Albanians?!
As you cannot spell Kosovo properly, I suppose you also include Serbs in your generalisation?
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Wow that's all you got from all that I wrote.
(Bekim, 13 January 2010 01:28)
Yes, I did not see anything of any intellectual significance in that entire, rambling diatribe.
Hey, since we will be neighbors soon after I build my cabin up near Gazivode, would you like to come over for a cookout?
Kosovari,
What about Americans in EULEX? Are we still welcome?
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It's all nice and toasty warm here in Belgrade at the moment, mate. No power cuts or anything - sweet.
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Bekim,
Having nothing to argue my comment will not entitle you to "pedophile" me.
Probably due to your young age, you discredit yourselves with this tantrum.
Bekim, if you want to be a good patriot, please take a broom and clean your environment first. I have been to Romania and other poor European countries before, but nowhere I experienced this utter carelessness to live on gargabe dumps, parents blowing smoke in their children's face in restaurants and so on. Is this what you are proud of? Or maybe the booming economy, bright eyed honest taxpayers, perhaps your strong army that can defy Serbia and Nato?
Finally to B92.
Please wake up and don't use double standards, if you censor words in my comments "ignorant" to Bekim, and I EXPECT B92 to delete comments amounting to outright personal insults as "pedophile".
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Now get the hell out of my country!
(Bekim, 12 January 2010 21:15)
You mean the UN governed Serbian province of Kosovo?
That is not a country. That is a PROVINCE!
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We'll treat EULEX like UNMIK. Go along for 5 years, have Vetevendosje! start protesting against it..than slowly start to shun it away.
EULEX, start thinking about heading home. America, we love you and you can stay as long as you want!!
Peace
KOSOVARi
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Now get the hell out of my country!
(Bekim, 12 January 2010, 21:15)
You sound like a small child having a temper tantrum, man. Grow up a bit, eh?
(Jason, 12 January 2010 22:24)
Wow that's all you got from all that I wrote.
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Now get the hell out of my country!
(Bekim, 12 January 2010, 21:15)
You sound like a small child having a temper tantrum, man. Grow up a bit, eh?
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Albanians here's guys drip feeding you independence fantasy saying you must behave or else. You get it not even drip and crumbs if you dont behave? And good clean anti-Serb fellers too. So why they speak to you Albanians like cocky colonial sheriffs? I see no respect no great admiration like between equal allies. Why is that?
(Tabalija, 12 January 2010 20:44)
Talking about equals. Have you guys begged for warmth to the cocky Eurocrats for this yet? You know this time every year you run out of gas and a few months later out of money. Again before pointing you finger take a look at your own. Your country is in no better position having to beg every year so people don't die out of cold and beg for money so you don't starve out of poverty. It would behoove you that instead of this superiority complex you have towards other ethnicities you direct some of that criticism towards those in Belgrade who are freezing you to death and are keeping you poor. Fix your own house before lecturing others.
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1. EUrocrats as you call me are here thanks to the TAXPAYERS of EU. You and no one in Kosovo are one of them
2. EU taxpayers are funding the cleanup of this hole called Kosovo because it is in the doorstep of EU and poses security threat, and a hotbed of criminals exported to EU
EU taxpayers can go themselves, we don't need the charity so you can feel "christian" of yourselves
3. It is easier to tackle the beehive than fight the bees spread all over, i.e criminals. That is the logic in the interest of EU.
If that was the case then you should send EULEX in Italy , Romania, Greece and so on and on.
4. You should walk on the street with the proud thought that your people were given a chance to prove that you can stand on your own as a civilised European state.
Huh! You keep saying civilized as if it means something. Civilized germans used to gas people and then burn their bodies after they had removed their golden teeth, of course.
5. This will take lots of time and pain listening to the more experienced and cleverer Eurocrats, I know this is difficult to swallow your pride, but you have to, for the sake of your grandchildrens.
Ah, sanctimony and a patronizing attitude, my favorite. Now get the hell out of my country!
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'i can understand it about foreigners (or anyone) that profits off of other's misery, but you have no right to lump me in w/such types. ever.'
Roberto, like it or not, you're an American before anything else to most non-Americans, and should expect to be lumped in with the rest of us. Face it - wouldn't you begin to resent foreigners (even Canadians!) who moved into the U.S. in force to tell us how to run our government, our economy, our society? Eventually the time comes for even invited guests to leave.
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(Hruz, 12 January 2010 15:27)
Albanians here's guys drip feeding you independence fantasy saying you must behave or else. You get it not even drip and crumbs if you dont behave? And good clean anti-Serb fellers too. So why they speak to you Albanians like cocky colonial sheriffs? I see no respect no great admiration like between equal allies. Why is that?
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Well, you see that EULEX is making the decisions in Kosovo.
Time the Albanians accept that Kosovo is *NOT* an independent state!
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Bekim
Some light to shed on your mind:
1. EUrocrats as you call me are here thanks to the TAXPAYERS of EU. You and no one in Kosovo are one of them
2. EU taxpayers are funding the cleanup of this hole called Kosovo because it is in the doorstep of EU and poses security threat, and a hotbed of criminals exported to EU
3. It is easier to tackle the beehive than fight the bees spread all over, i.e criminals. That is the logic in the interest of EU.
4. You should walk on the street with the proud thought that your people were given a chance to prove that you can stand on your own as a civilised European state.
5. This will take lots of time and pain listening to the more experienced and cleverer Eurocrats, I know this is difficult to swallow your pride, but you have to, for the sake of your grandchildrens.
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Jason I didnt say Serbs disliked you, I dont know that, I said when generally we dislike someone.. we dont threaten to obliterate their entire family in blood feud and so on.
Now you hinted you work for Eulex. If you do this applies. Eulex is violating mandate approved by Un, its not status neutral and it works against vital insterests of the state of Serbia therefore. I work to help vital and all other interests of the state of Serbia. So we have clash. And its not about what someone says but what they do. If someone works for Eulex and for example to make illegal parallel ahtisari municipality in north KM no amount of slava going will make them friend of Serbs. Although I believe you think what you say, but its irrelevant. Albanians shout at you for no reason. You work for their interest and they wont even let you be a little arrogant and push them around and have your own opinion in your free time.
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"1. Yugoslavian army was in 1999 not 4th largest army in Europe. ..."
I shouldn't have put a number on its relative size, you're right. On the other hand, Serbia had armament factories, trained and experienced officers, tanks and heavy equipment ... It was still massively more than the Kosovars had.
"2. Iraqi or Afghani rebels started war against FIRST POWER ON EARTH. Without any help."
Who ever said they were cowards?
"3. Terrorist strategy and attack against K-Serb civilians and than escape into mountains - it was very "heroic" strategy."
Their targets were mainly military and police forces. Of course they escaped to the mountains! Didn't the partisans escape after an attack?
"4. ... Only US intervention saved them."
As only the French, perhaps, saved us in 1781: "Yorktown - This was the last major battle of the Revolutionary War, occurring in 1781 ... The war might not have ended had the French navy not cut the British army off from its supplies (after a rare event, a victory of the French navy over the British). It effectively ended the war and made George Washington a legend to this day." http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/273253/key_battles_in_american_history_from.html BTW, the first portrait to be hung in the Capitol Building in D.C. was of Lafayette - we knew who we owed.
"5. We remember who burned Patriarchate of Peć in and expelled K-Serbs in 1981. It was same terrorist strategy."
Always a bad idea to go after your enemy's religious buildings, granted, but this wasn't the KLA in 1981.
(Milan, 12 January 2010 12:16)
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Johny,
Well written and moderate post, man. I think I had you wrong before... Cheers.
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If you believe that your internet advocacy earns you the right to peddle to the supposedly grateful beneficiaries of your vital support, I suggest you restrain yourself to lecturing your Bosnian friends, more used as they are to a toxic foreign presence, about the "evils" of paternalism. Your message of perversion will never be welcome in Kosova. I am only pleased that you have exposed yourself here so that decent Albanian parents can be aware of your agenda and respond appropriately.
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Roberto don't worry dude. Every group and nation has people that are on the fringes of society. Us Albanians are no exception. You can see the various mindsets here on B92 both on the Albanian and Serbian side; also on the international side. Don't take anything personally. I myself have been accused of not being Albanian enough too. Whatever that means. Some people love to provoke and some people lack the mental strength and ability to spot and hold provocations when they appear. As a result they go into generalizations, and into personal attacks. I ask you, Jason, Olf, all the other internationals, and all those who post here not to take seriously any provocation or verbal attacks coming from any side be it Serbs or Albanians. Taking such personal verbal attacks, or provocation seriously is nothing but giving credence to the fringes of our respective societies.
I ask you, Jason and all the other internationals, despite the opinion you have on Kosova to continue doing the best job possible and if possible to leave your personal opinions home ,whether they are for us or against us, while you are trying to help the people in Kosova be them Serb or Albanian. Since it is harder for us that have been in the conflict to detach our opinions from our jobs your help as international would be very grateful if there is a detachment of your political views from your technical jobs.
You will always have people that are not happy others, and foreigners, and as you might have seen on B92 posts this is on much higher levels in the Balkans. There are people that no matter what you do to help they will not be happy but will group you with the few that have failed them.
I sincerely ask you and other posters, despite ethnicity here to refrain from personal verbal attacks so that we can continue to have a conversation and discussion that is not only meaningful but also based on reason and not yelling. Different viewpoints on issues when discussed in a reasonable fashion without personal attacks do not bring regress but progress; as such different and opposite viewpoints should be welcome as we all learn where each of us stands on specific issues. We don't have to agree on them. We can have a meaningful discussion if we learn to agree to disagree and not degenerate our conversations into a yelling and personal accusation fest.
P.S I join you on equal rights for the gays, marriage included.
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i hate people that blow their own trumpet
thanks
roberto
(roberto, 12 January 2010 18:31)
Then you, sir, must be a typical self-loather.
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Second. Jason it doesn't hurt to educate yourself. If Kosova Albanians were terrorists you'd be seeing buses blown up is Belgrade. Instead what was blown up were police stations and military buildings in Kosova. You know non-civilian institutions. Guerrila war and terrorism are two different things. If you wanna talk about terrorism talk about Srebrenica. Talk about how 60 civilians among them babies 1 year old were killed inside pizzerias. If that is not terrorism in your eyes then you are no better than those who committed such crimes.
Can you name me any occurrence like the pizzeria shooting or anything of the scale of Sreberenica that was committed by Kosova Albanians?
(johny, 12 January 2010 18:28)
Johny,
Yes there is a difference between terrorism and guerrilla warfare. I have no doubt you know about these differences and it is clear that you are educated on this subject. You know the saying, "one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter."
There are hundreds of incidents predating the war and well after it (which are the most heinous since Kosovo was under NATO occupation) where Serb civilians were killed in terrorist violence. The children gunned down while swimming in Gorazdevac, the 12 farmers gunned while working their fields down near Lipljan, the car bombing of the last Serbian official to work in Pristina back in 2001 - the guy worked in the passport office, hardly a military threat - the Nis bus bombing... and I can keep going with hundreds of systematic murders of Serb civilians in 1998 and 1999...
I do not minimize civilian losses in Bosnia at all, but I still think that there was plenty of terrorism committed here by the KLA and denying it seems to be dishonest to me.
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To respond to a Serb poster here. I wouldn't talk about ENTITLEMENT if I were a Serb. There is a saying " Serbia till Tokyo". That alone expresses the SELF-ENTITLEMENT attitude of the Serbian society. Think about your own before pointing fingers.
Second. Jason it doesn't hurt to educate yourself. If Kosova Albanians were terrorists you'd be seeing buses blown up is Belgrade. Instead what was blown up were police stations and military buildings in Kosova. You know non-civilian institutions. Guerrila war and terrorism are two different things. If you wanna talk about terrorism talk about Srebrenica. Talk about how 60 civilians among them babies 1 year old were killed inside pizzerias. If that is not terrorism in your eyes then you are no better than those who committed such crimes.
Can you name me any occurrence like the pizzeria shooting or anything of the scale of Sreberenica that was committed by Kosova Albanians?
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Flamur -- after i wrote to you (in haste and in anger -- who, me??) i was really thinking about why you went after me, which seems to me so bizarre and irrational. i hate people that blow their own trumpet, but since you put me in the same league w Ugly American and even MUP!! i have to respond. all of the time effort not to mention my own $$ that i have put out to plead, defend and otherwise promote the case for an independent kosovo/a, and for human rights in the balkans and throughout the world does not earn me your nasty attitude. i can understand it about foreigners (or anyone) that profits off of other's misery, but you have no right to lump me in w/such types. ever.
i believe that what is happening here is one after another after another of the worst examples of nasty colonial, ugly attitude from someone PAID to protect people there just flipped a few switches, and understandably so. i do not believe, CANNOT believe that such evil and arrogance represents intl workers as a whole, kfor, eulex, whatever. some bad ones, yes, but as a whole, no.
if you can convince me that i am wrong, then i will change my attitude and at least call for eulex to be set away.
as for the gay equal rights issues: i very well that know that you and many others come fr a deeply patriarchal where such things as i discuss have no menaing, except as some kind of "perversion" or "rape" or "abberation." i have gone round and round with some of my frnds about this, sometimes w success, sometimes not. for example, with albin kurti -- he is an intellectual and i'm sure not a homophobe. i also came from a patriarchal culture here, and learned better, and so can you and others. we don't have to be enemies or opponents; we can learn from one another.
again, i must stress, when you print all the provocative hate messages here, there are consequences...
thanks
roberto
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Roberto, a single deluded imperalist is less harmful than one who seeks to export to corrupt our children. If you were in Podujevo as you claim, you will have seen that there is no homosexuality there, nor any desire to see foreigners introduce such practices. If you believe it is everywhere, where are the naked homosexuals parading through Prishtina? Only in your dreams, it would appear.
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Eulex is there only to help partition of kosovo,nothing else.
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Bekim, there is a concise saying that applies here too.
"We just dont poop at the place where we go eat"
Another witty one: "Never bite the hand that feeds you"
Think about that before sending EULEX away. This goes out to Pejoni as well.
(Hruz, 12 January 2010 15:27)
I agree Hruz, and you EULEX bureaucrats should stop pooping all over the place that is giving them(probably you) immunity from any crime and paying absurd sums of money for a crappy job that you are doing. As far as feeding, EU is feeding Greece, Spain, Romania and few other countries and not just mine,however, there is a Chinese saying much more apt, if you want to feed someone for a day and then spend billions telling the whole world how you are saving muslims from starvation, give em a fish, but if you want to really feed them don't steal the money you are donating and teach them how to fix their electric producing companies.
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This is the reason why EULEX must leave. Some war criminals and rapists are holding Kosova justice hostage and EULEX is not doing anything.
(Bekim, 11 January 2010 15:13)
Bekim, there is a concise saying that applies here too.
"We just dont poop at the place where we go eat"
Another witty one: "Never bite the hand that feeds you"
Think about that before sending EULEX away. This goes out to Pejoni as well.
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thank you, flamur, for that nice crisp bit of morning homophobia.
well, guess what -- your homophobic attitude ain't wanted HERE. gay life is not a foreign import -- there are lgbt people in every land, incl yours. i've met em, heard from them. leave the bad part of the 19th century behind you! democraCY AND pluralism are not yr enemies.
you really need to differentiate between arrogant imperialistic attitudes like his, and the work for human rights throughout the world. it may all look the same to you but believe me, it is not.
ciao!
roberto
frisco
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"Yes Peggy, that's exactly what I mean. NATO, VJ, MUP - the initials are unimportant for they all spell occupation. Some of our children may still wave American flags but neither Jason's serbophilia nor Roberto homosexual rights are wanted here.
(Flamur, 12 January 2010 13:08) "
I dare you to tell this straight to Obama, Clinton and Biden!
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The time when all foreign occupiers will be driven from Kosova is now very close.
(Flamur, 11 January 2010 17:40)
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How do you plant to do that?
Are you going to war against NATO now because they are the occupiers?
(Peggy, 12 January 2010 00:10)
Yes Peggy, that's exactly what I mean. NATO, VJ, MUP - the initials are unimportant for they all spell occupation. Some of our children may still wave American flags but neither Jason's serbophilia nor Roberto homosexual rights are wanted here.
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who cashed golden teeth taken from Jews in concentration camps. Shall I go on?And you Jason do tell us which country you hail from that so fought the germans in WWII?
(Bekim, 12 January 2010 01:39)
Hahaha, good point, If you wanted to get me nervous with your comment, you failed because I'm the first one to condemn the role of some of our politicians and companies during the world war II, mostly from the swiss german part...
On the other hand if "we" are so bad, then what are the 180thds or more of your fellow citizens doing in Switzerland..., would love to have your comment on this :)
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Jason, are you old enough to remember 1998/1999? (I can almost, hazily, remember the dinosaurs, myself.) The KLA took on the 4th largest army in Europe with no guarantee from the U.S. or anybody that they would be supported. Clinton got the U.S. to come in by (stupidly) promising that we would not use ground troops - that would be up to the locals. So we ended up with 2 casualties, and the Kosovars with how many? Air power alone was not enough to end the fighting, and diplomacy certainly wasn't. I figure the Kosovars earned their country.
On the other hand, threats against monasteries are just plain stupid.
(Amer, 11 January 2010 21:16)
Amer:
1. Yugoslavian army was in 1999 not 4th largest army in Europe. In 1998-9 Yugoslavian army was badly damaged after wars in Croatia and Bosna and long time embargo. Strongest armies in Europe had: Russia, Germany, UK, France, Spain, Italy, Greece, Turkey, Ukraine, Belorussia, Poland. So - it was mayby 12th in Europe.
2. Iraqi or Afghani rebels started war against FIRST POWER ON EARTH. Without any help.
3. Terrorist strategy and attack against K-Serb civilians and than escape into mountains - it was very "heroic" strategy.
4. "Kosovars" (what is a nation "Kosovars"??) not earned any country. UCK terrorists defeated war. Only US intervention saved them.
5. We remember who burned Patriarchate of Peć in and expelled K-Serbs in 1981. It was same terrorist strategy.
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It doesnt matter one bit but in the end you'll open your eyes and see they think they're ENTITLED. To you. Also to Kosovo, half of Macedonia and Montenegro and Presevo valley up to and including Nis. And a bit of northern Greece. Your country could not choose worse clans to support and I know your country supported Taliban also. In the end everyone will see they are even worse choice. The thing will mutate more no matter what any sane person tries to stop it. Many sane people saw it from the start thats why your country bribes threatens begs for recognitions and fails so much.
Now I'm serious. I know you guys get threats from Albanians for all kinds not just political reasons or when they think you dont hate Serbs enough. Like you know you dont have to like us we wont like you but we wont threaten you. Albanian threats if you get them take seriously and take care of yourself.
(Tabalija, 11 January 2010 23:48)
All true aside from the last bit, Tabalija. I do like the Serbian People a great deal, and I have many fine friends and been to many a slava in places ranging from Gracanica to Kolasin. I am ashamed of my country's foreign policy to be honest, and ashamed of the what has happened here. For the most part, Serbs here have not taken out my country's politics out on me, and for that I am grateful.
Do remember that some of us in America support Serbs and Serbia.
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Jason, are you old enough to remember 1998/1999? (I can almost, hazily, remember the dinosaurs, myself.) The KLA took on the 4th largest army in Europe with no guarantee from the U.S. or anybody that they would be supported. Clinton got the U.S. to come in by (stupidly) promising that we would not use ground troops - that would be up to the locals. So we ended up with 2 casualties, and the Kosovars with how many? Air power alone was not enough to end the fighting, and diplomacy certainly wasn't. I figure the Kosovars earned their country.
On the other hand, threats against monasteries are just plain stupid.
(Amer, 11 January 2010 21:16)
Amer, I respectfully disagree... The KLA used terrorist tactics to provoke a response by the 4th largest army in Europe. It is not like they bravely fought a conventional battle and prevailed. They ambushed police and various government workers and terrorized civilians all with the hopes of provoking an excessive use of force. Thachi has stated such in past interviews.
Whether or not they earned what they have is a matter of opinion - we obviously disagree. I cannot accept rewarding terrorism by inferring that the KLA earned anything.
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We never invited EU to help us in '99. We saw what happened to Bosnia because of the mantra repeated in every capital in EU "No muslim states in Europe!". So I would tell you where to take your sanctimonious crap and do with it but B92 would probably censor that.
(Bekim, 11 January 2010 16:29)
bekim, appropriately or not i really feel i have to apologize for what we are seeing on this site. it brings new meaning to the old term "ugly american." i have already said my piece, how i view that particular international, pardon the expression. i'm used to such characters (middle school) and have no patience with them. the main difference is that we don't go out of our way to give them a platform, much less highlight them. think about it.
the US (and others) did, in fact, come in -- a few minutes to midnight -- to help save the day. for many reasons, humanitarian and otherwise. i wasn't there, but followed things minute by minute, blow by blow. it was unimaginably horrible for the people on the ground; in a way, it was the worst of all worlds. we needed ground troops -- underestimated slobo's intransigence. in retrospect, we were a bit arrogant and naive. and yes, in many respects the kla was the force for liberation, in an otherwise impossible terrain...
the enemy took full advantage of the situation, made the lives of a million people miserable. murdered thousands, systematically raped god knows how many (it isn't discussed openly in such a society), created havoc and hell. we got them out, thank god, but at a very steep price to native people.
based on what i've read, ground troops would have followed soon, but finally serbia's resolve collapsed. that was their grand "victory."
as to the churches and monasteries -- normally they must be sacrosanct, as should remain all religious institutions. if we know anything about the 90s, we know of the 100s of mosque's and catholic churches destroyed by the enemy. it
is well known and instructive.
i am aware that SOME churches were built during the slobo era, as types of fortresses ag. the native albanian population. some of them were burned down shortly after war's end, they were considered legitimate targets.
for me it is a slippery slope, all the way round.
again, i must apologize to every Kosovar, esp.ly the albanians, for the ugly comments today. there is no excuse: the "bad apple" metaphor doesn't even begin to approach it.
btw, i have a great deal of respect for mrs. kelmendi. there must be a solution for mitrovica -- some compromise, but it cannot be allowed to continue as a lawless island of hate and subversion.
thank you, and one day i'll learn some more albanian, as well i should, as well we should!
felamenderit! my frnds.
roberto
just back fr podujevo and pristina
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I haven't been for a while on this site, but how Jason put it in couple of sentences - it summarize it all great from inside out - all true, can't say it better - it hurts but can't say it straight to the point in very polite way - and shouldn't try.
I posted same thing year ago - "Albanians hasn't earn independence - they don't deserve it - UDI are forced on them by WEST - for different political reasons(Bondsteel, to please Muslim countires at times-Clinton, to get foot in Balkans - to balance against Russia etc.)
Again all true to toothless threats against Serbian Army - again first gunshot without NATO or EULEX in Kosovo - the shortest and fastest run to the mountains - AJMO(BJEZMO) SVI U PLANINE.
But also I said before:doing politics last 20 years and handle Kosovo -Serbia and Serbian politicians don't deserve Kosovo either.
So, must be forced talks on both sides for compromise, reconciliations, peace and EU integrations.
Jason, thanks one more time.
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Hey Swiss you should har what they say about your kind out there. Hitler's bankers, or even more apt the people who cashed golden teeth taken from Jews in concentration camps. Shall I go on?And you Jason do tell us which country you hail from that so fought the germans in WWII?
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The Thaci Administration might have to flex a muscle to show these hooligans that this isn't Serbia nor any other place where they can do w/e they want.
(KOSOVARi, 11 January 2010 20:32)
My friend, Kosovo still is part of Serbia!
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People like you have paid 1000 times more to stop the wars that Serbia has started.
Please be thankful to K-Albanians and K-Government for making it possible that peace finally prevails in the region.
(miri, 11 January 2010 19:40)
Well, then please OBEY (!) international law and accept that Kosovo province is still part of Serbia.
That was the deal back in 1999. And as long as there is no mutual agreed deal Kosovo is part of Serbia.
Albanians, please stop 'cheating'. And start playing by the rules!
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The time when all foreign occupiers will be driven from Kosova is now very close.
(Flamur, 11 January 2010 17:40)
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How do you plant to do that?
Are you going to war against NATO now because they are the occupiers?
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>They should be grateful for other people to fight their battles
(Jason,
It doesnt matter one bit but in the end you'll open your eyes and see they think they're ENTITLED. To you. Also to Kosovo, half of Macedonia and Montenegro and Presevo valley up to and including Nis. And a bit of northern Greece. Your country could not choose worse clans to support and I know your country supported Taliban also. In the end everyone will see they are even worse choice. The thing will mutate more no matter what any sane person tries to stop it. Many sane people saw it from the start thats why your country bribes threatens begs for recognitions and fails so much.
Now I'm serious. I know you guys get threats from Albanians for all kinds not just political reasons or when they think you dont hate Serbs enough. Like you know you dont have to like us we wont like you but we wont threaten you. Albanian threats if you get them take seriously and take care of yourself.
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>The KLA took on the 4th largest army in Europe with no guarantee from the U.S. or anybody that they would be supported.....
Leave the nonsense for someone who doesnt know you and yours Alban. Ovk or Uck terrorists were trained and financed by west since 96 at least. Milosevic's fault alone he didnt squash them there and then like bugs they are. Our fault we didnt squash Milosevic when we saw he was letting terrorists carry on. 99 aggression on Serbia was illegal and unprovoked and just postponed from 98. Nothing to do with what we did or didnt do.
Theres bunch of criminals sitting in many armies and governments all over west now or maybe retired. Lot of good they did for their countries though? Whats body count made by that mentality in Iraq and Afghanistan now? I bet it's painfully painfully high.
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The time when all foreign occupiers will be driven from Kosova is now very close.
(Flamur, 11 January 2010 17:40)
Do you consider yourself, Flamur?
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in Kosova, just ask Jason. So pardon me for not being thankful to a bunch of thieves and pedophiles with immunity who steal charity money. Vile doesn't describe fairly what I think of EULEX and west EU, close though.
(Bekim, 11 January 2010 19:53)
You don't have to show how viril you are, we know it by now and that is for this very same reason that your reputation in the West is soo bad and with comments like yours will never have any chance to get any better.
Of course you have your hero criminals thaci and co acting like a muppet show trying to flex muscles that they don't have anynmore!
Don't you see it man, the number 1244 is written on every wall whether you like it or nobody is asking you, you wanted an illegal UDI, you got it, but it came with all these strings attached around that makes your pseudo politicians open or close their mouths and move them from right to left!
Welcome to the reality!
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So please be 'thankful' to us in Western Europe. We are paying to govern your province. So please show us some respect. OK?
(Ron, 11 January 2010 18:54)
Ron, respect is not part of their vocabulary, you should have already understood it by now, fortunately 1244 is there to remind them time to time whom they should obey to...
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'It is funny how you make threats on here about destroying monasteries or going into the north when in reality you do not have intestinal fortitude to try it. NATO gave you what you have - you did not earn it.
Never forget this.
(Jason, 11 January 2010 17:23) '
Jason, are you old enough to remember 1998/1999? (I can almost, hazily, remember the dinosaurs, myself.) The KLA took on the 4th largest army in Europe with no guarantee from the U.S. or anybody that they would be supported. Clinton got the U.S. to come in by (stupidly) promising that we would not use ground troops - that would be up to the locals. So we ended up with 2 casualties, and the Kosovars with how many? Air power alone was not enough to end the fighting, and diplomacy certainly wasn't. I figure the Kosovars earned their country.
On the other hand, threats against monasteries are just plain stupid.
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Yes, get mad! I love it, really. The last person to say I will be deported or sent home was Kosovo-USA and he only looked foolish for not being able to actually debate me. I guess the same goes for you.
As for me, who I am is frankly none of your business. I am merely someone who works here.
Who are you?
(Jason, 11 January 2010 17:44)
Mad, no! Irritated, yes I am at the way you speak yet try to sound as you work for a foreign organisation in Kosovo, which if you did you would be fully aware there are rules and you're breaking the very one which is forbiden to take "one side and be against the other" which you clearly have shown on your previous commments. Trust me when I say you would be deported home who ever you may be and you wouldnt be the first one if you know what I'm talking about, sure you must have heard what happend to others who acted in the way you are doing right now, no?
Oh and I'm just an average Albanian, not pretending to be someone.
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Jason, as long as those opinions don't affect people's lives in a negative way you can keep them. I specifically have in mind Albanians since the attitude you have towards us is well known. We all have opinions. There is nothing to get angry about them. Since there is no way to verify from these posts whether or not your opinions lead you to abuse your job then it is nonsensical to talk about identity revelation either.
One advice though and this goes to those who are on our side too. Do not become more Serbs than the Serbs and more Albanian than Albanians. If EULEX was to turn that way than that mission would be a terribly failed mission.
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Again Jason I don't think you are someone that knows what fortitude is let alone who has it. If we are talking about fortitude of EU nations during WWII I bet we would be having this conversation in german and slavs wouldn't have been part of EU if it weren't for USA a country which we did ask for help. NOT EU! And we have the bodies of thousands of dead to prove that we won it and earned it. As far as churches if you use them in a campaign against Kosova and its freedom and considering that freedom is a zero sum game you can clearly deduce what I think should happen.
(Bekim, 11 January 2010, 18:17)
First of all, it was my country who helped defeat the Germans AND your country... do not try and revise history by pretending Albanians were not Nazi pawns.
Second of all, having dead bodies does not award you victor status. Recall General George Patton who once said something to the effect of,
"No one ever won a war by dying for his country. He won a war by making the other poor SOB die for HIS country."
As your thoughts on destroying churches, it is people like you that caused the violence to reach that level. It is sickening that you can justify it in your own mind.
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Cicavica aside. I dont understand. In 1999 Eulex wasnt even a filthy thought in William Walkers mind. Why should Albanians be grateful to Eulex?
(Tabalija, 11 January 2010 19:15)
What I am saying is that the member countries of EULEX are the very same countries (for the most part) who illegally bombed Yugoslavia. Americans are EULEX members too remember. They should be grateful for other people to fight their battles is basically what I mean.
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There will be no agreement because those Serbian judges were hand picked by the Slobodan Regime. They have no plans of enforcing the Kosovar Laws nor the UNMIK laws.
The Thaci Administration might have to flex a muscle to show these hooligans that this isn't Serbia nor any other place where they can do w/e they want.
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I never asked for a debate. All I asked of you is to rveale your true identity,and if you are a US citizen working for the said organizations that were mentioned by another poster, I can assure you that you will be out of Kosova within 48 hours.
(Kosova-USA, 11 January 2010 19:45)
I know you never asked because you are incapable of debating me. Instead you shift between silly distractions like trying to guess my nationality or idle threats about how the all-powerful Kosovo-USA will have me sent home in 48 hours.
My identity is my business. I can tell I have gotten under your skin because all you can do is fantasize about sending me home. Bottom line: you hate that I am here in Kosovo with my own opinion rather than my government's. Accept it and move on, man.
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REGARDING: The time when all foreign occupiers will be driven from Kosova is now very close.
(Flamur, 11 January 2010 17:40)
Albanian's in large numbers will have to leave Kosovo. 1st, no economy, 2. Serbia will gain control slowly not just of the north, and this will force the radical ones to leave. If u think for one min. that Kosovo is forever lost from Serbia, u are not a rational thinker.
What would a stolen independent muslim state bring to Europe? That's what I thought.
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Yes, get mad! I love it, really. The last person to say I will be deported or sent home was Kosovo-USA and he only looked foolish for not being able to actually debate me. I guess the same goes for you.
As for me, who I am is frankly none of your business. I am merely someone who works here.
Who are you?
(Jason, 11 January 2010 17:44)
I never asked for a debate. All I asked of you is to rveale your true identity,and if you are a US citizen working for the said organizations that were mentioned by another poster, I can assure you that you will be out of Kosova within 48 hours.
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>In 1999 you were run clear up into the mountains until you were saved by the very people comprising EULEX.
You are like some of the other ungrateful Albanians..
Cicavica aside. I dont understand. In 1999 Eulex wasnt even a filthy thought in William Walkers mind. Why should Albanians be grateful to Eulex?
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Pejoni,
People like me, from the rich countries in Western Europe pay a lot of tax money that goes to Kosovo.
So please be 'thankful' to us in Western Europe. We are paying to govern your province. So please show us some respect. OK?
(Ron, 11 January 2010 18:54)
People like you have paid 1000 times more to stop the wars that Serbia has started.
Please be thankful to K-Albanians and K-Government for making it possible that peace finally prevails in the region.
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People like me, from the rich countries in Western Europe pay a lot of tax money that goes to Kosovo.
So please be 'thankful' to us in Western Europe. We are paying to govern your province. So please show us some respect. OK?
(Ron, 11 January 2010 18:54)
Firstly all the money from EU taxes are going to Greece and Spain and the money donated to Kosova is being stolen by the very people that are part of EULEX. One bureaucrat from EULEX gets paid enough to feed a village in Kosova, just ask Jason. So pardon me for not being thankful to a bunch of thieves and pedophiles with immunity who steal charity money. Vile doesn't describe fairly what I think of EULEX and west EU, close though.
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>if unisex says no, i´m gonna pay for the first and only bus-ride of the sharia-"judges"
Aha lets all chip in. And then lets all get together and plan a little picnic.
Seriously such a bad idea. For everyone.
In March 2008 good solid message was sent and it keeps them all away. You see how this unspellable feller says it in article, obviously they get it. Personally I dont think we need to send another one but if the other side wants it of course they will have it. One thing is for sure Serbs wont cross Ibar.
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Pejoni,
People like me, from the rich countries in Western Europe pay a lot of tax money that goes to Kosovo.
So please be 'thankful' to us in Western Europe. We are paying to govern your province. So please show us some respect. OK?
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I don't like this idea of sending Albanian judges from the south to the North. That spells trouble and conflict. Whoever thought that should be fired on the spot. The judges there should be Serb and rightly so, since the majority of those living there are Serbs. Maybe an Albanian judge for the Albanian neighborhood there is sufficient just so that we don't hear anything in the news that an Albanian got punished by Serb judges because he was Albanian. Same thing would happen if the judges there were all Albanian and Serb were sentenced. That is not good for any of the sides.
However I believe that some sort of a deal should be made between the Serb judges in the north and EULEX. Not because of any hopeless wish for Prishtina to have authority over them; but because judges can be corrupted too and EULEX would be in a great position to oversee them and rid the corrupted ones.
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It is funny how you make threats on here about destroying monasteries or going into the north when in reality you do not have intestinal fortitude to try it. NATO gave you what you have - you did not earn it.
Never forget this.
(Jason, 11 January 2010 17:23)
Again Jason I don't think you are someone that knows what fortitude is let alone who has it. If we are talking about fortitude of EU nations during WWII I bet we would be having this conversation in german and slavs wouldn't have been part of EU if it weren't for USA a country which we did ask for help. NOT EU! And we have the bodies of thousands of dead to prove that we won it and earned it. As far as churches if you use them in a campaign against Kosova and its freedom and considering that freedom is a zero sum game you can clearly deduce what I think should happen.
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The time when all foreign occupiers will be driven from Kosova is now very close.
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(Jason, 11 January 2010 15:41
Who are you? You work for any foreign organisation in Kosovo such as EULEX, ICO KFOR or UNDP? Who are you that Kosovars should be grateful, what have you personally done to make Kosovars express themself freely? If thats true you work for any, it wont take more then 24h for you to be deported back where you came from.
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We never invited EU to help us in '99. We saw what happened to Bosnia because of the mantra repeated in every capital in EU "No muslim states in Europe!". So I would tell you where to take your sanctimonious crap and do with it but B92 would probably censor that.
(Bekim, 11 January 2010 16:29)
It does not matter if you invited us here or not. The fact was you had your handed to you and internationals had to step in.
It is funny how you make threats on here about destroying monasteries or going into the north when in reality you do not have intestinal fortitude to try it. NATO gave you what you have - you did not earn it.
Never forget this.
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More dangerous games being played by certain members of the K Albanian leadership. About as likely as Belgrade trying to install a mayor of their own in Pristina.
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(Jason, 11 January 2010 15:41
Who are you? You work for any foreign organisation in Kosovo such as EULEX, ICO KFOR or UNDP? Who are you that Kosovars should be grateful, what have you personally done to make Kosovars express themself freely? If thats true you work for any, it wont take more then 24h for you to be deported back where you came from.
(Pejoni, 11 January 2010, 17:31)
Yes, get mad! I love it, really. The last person to say I will be deported or sent home was Kosovo-USA and he only looked foolish for not being able to actually debate me. I guess the same goes for you.
As for me, who I am is frankly none of your business. I am merely someone who works here.
Who are you?
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for all the internet-talibs in here: if unisex says no, i´m gonna pay for the first and only bus-ride of the sharia-"judges" into the liberated parts of kosmet ...
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Wow. Bekim, we are the reason you are even able to sit in Kosovo and call for violence against Serbs. In 1999 you were run clear up into the mountains until you were saved by the very people comprising EULEX.
We never invited EU to help us in '99. We saw what happened to Bosnia because of the mantra repeated in every capital in EU "No muslim states in Europe!". So I would tell you where to take your sanctimonious crap and do with it but B92 would probably censor that.
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As we all know EULEX is in control. So what EULEX is trying to say: this will not happen!
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Prština announced that it would “take all measures” to get the District Court in the northern part of Kosovska Mitrovica functioning under its control.
--
When something is forced, it is a sign of weakness. Ethnic Albanian control of the North is a lost cause. It is far better for those people to focus on problems within the ethnic Albanian community and to stop devising provocations in Serbian areas.
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This is the reason why EULEX must leave. Some war criminals and rapists are holding Kosova justice hostage and EULEX is not doing anything.
(Bekim, 11 January 2010, 15:13)
Wow. Bekim, we are the reason you are even able to sit in Kosovo and call for violence against Serbs. In 1999 you were run clear up into the mountains until you were saved by the very people comprising EULEX.
You are like some of the other ungrateful Albanians who now have convinced yourselves that you beat the Serbian military and you don't need outside assistance. I have news for you: you are not free to do as you wish. You got your autonomy at a price... the price being you do as your masters in Brussels and Washington say.
Don't delude yourself into thinking you would get any more than an ass kicking if you tried to take the north of Kosovo.
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This is the reason why EULEX must leave. Some war criminals and rapists are holding Kosova justice hostage and EULEX is not doing anything.
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Thaci will use ALL measures?
I hope that those measures don't include planning of burning more churches and monasteries or organ harvesting from helpless victims. When an individual of your reputation makes a statement of that magnitude---your masters should at least ask you to be a little more specific about your "ALL" measures and intentions. This way they can better protect their tires and windshields---which cost REAL money!
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This is the reason why EULEX must leave. Some war criminals and rapists are holding Kosova justice hostage and EULEX is not doing anything.
(Bekim, 11 January 2010, 15:13)
Wow. Bekim, we are the reason you are even able to sit in Kosovo and call for violence against Serbs. In 1999 you were run clear up into the mountains until you were saved by the very people comprising EULEX.
You are like some of the other ungrateful Albanians who now have convinced yourselves that you beat the Serbian military and you don't need outside assistance. I have news for you: you are not free to do as you wish. You got your autonomy at a price... the price being you do as your masters in Brussels and Washington say.
Don't delude yourself into thinking you would get any more than an ass kicking if you tried to take the north of Kosovo.
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Prština announced that it would “take all measures” to get the District Court in the northern part of Kosovska Mitrovica functioning under its control.
--
When something is forced, it is a sign of weakness. Ethnic Albanian control of the North is a lost cause. It is far better for those people to focus on problems within the ethnic Albanian community and to stop devising provocations in Serbian areas.
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We never invited EU to help us in '99. We saw what happened to Bosnia because of the mantra repeated in every capital in EU "No muslim states in Europe!". So I would tell you where to take your sanctimonious crap and do with it but B92 would probably censor that.
(Bekim, 11 January 2010 16:29)
It does not matter if you invited us here or not. The fact was you had your handed to you and internationals had to step in.
It is funny how you make threats on here about destroying monasteries or going into the north when in reality you do not have intestinal fortitude to try it. NATO gave you what you have - you did not earn it.
Never forget this.
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As we all know EULEX is in control. So what EULEX is trying to say: this will not happen!
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Thaci will use ALL measures?
I hope that those measures don't include planning of burning more churches and monasteries or organ harvesting from helpless victims. When an individual of your reputation makes a statement of that magnitude---your masters should at least ask you to be a little more specific about your "ALL" measures and intentions. This way they can better protect their tires and windshields---which cost REAL money!
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(Jason, 11 January 2010 15:41
Who are you? You work for any foreign organisation in Kosovo such as EULEX, ICO KFOR or UNDP? Who are you that Kosovars should be grateful, what have you personally done to make Kosovars express themself freely? If thats true you work for any, it wont take more then 24h for you to be deported back where you came from.
(Pejoni, 11 January 2010, 17:31)
Yes, get mad! I love it, really. The last person to say I will be deported or sent home was Kosovo-USA and he only looked foolish for not being able to actually debate me. I guess the same goes for you.
As for me, who I am is frankly none of your business. I am merely someone who works here.
Who are you?
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I never asked for a debate. All I asked of you is to rveale your true identity,and if you are a US citizen working for the said organizations that were mentioned by another poster, I can assure you that you will be out of Kosova within 48 hours.
(Kosova-USA, 11 January 2010 19:45)
I know you never asked because you are incapable of debating me. Instead you shift between silly distractions like trying to guess my nationality or idle threats about how the all-powerful Kosovo-USA will have me sent home in 48 hours.
My identity is my business. I can tell I have gotten under your skin because all you can do is fantasize about sending me home. Bottom line: you hate that I am here in Kosovo with my own opinion rather than my government's. Accept it and move on, man.
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More dangerous games being played by certain members of the K Albanian leadership. About as likely as Belgrade trying to install a mayor of their own in Pristina.
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Pejoni,
People like me, from the rich countries in Western Europe pay a lot of tax money that goes to Kosovo.
So please be 'thankful' to us in Western Europe. We are paying to govern your province. So please show us some respect. OK?
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Jason, are you old enough to remember 1998/1999? (I can almost, hazily, remember the dinosaurs, myself.) The KLA took on the 4th largest army in Europe with no guarantee from the U.S. or anybody that they would be supported. Clinton got the U.S. to come in by (stupidly) promising that we would not use ground troops - that would be up to the locals. So we ended up with 2 casualties, and the Kosovars with how many? Air power alone was not enough to end the fighting, and diplomacy certainly wasn't. I figure the Kosovars earned their country.
On the other hand, threats against monasteries are just plain stupid.
(Amer, 11 January 2010 21:16)
Amer, I respectfully disagree... The KLA used terrorist tactics to provoke a response by the 4th largest army in Europe. It is not like they bravely fought a conventional battle and prevailed. They ambushed police and various government workers and terrorized civilians all with the hopes of provoking an excessive use of force. Thachi has stated such in past interviews.
Whether or not they earned what they have is a matter of opinion - we obviously disagree. I cannot accept rewarding terrorism by inferring that the KLA earned anything.
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Cicavica aside. I dont understand. In 1999 Eulex wasnt even a filthy thought in William Walkers mind. Why should Albanians be grateful to Eulex?
(Tabalija, 11 January 2010 19:15)
What I am saying is that the member countries of EULEX are the very same countries (for the most part) who illegally bombed Yugoslavia. Americans are EULEX members too remember. They should be grateful for other people to fight their battles is basically what I mean.
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Again Jason I don't think you are someone that knows what fortitude is let alone who has it. If we are talking about fortitude of EU nations during WWII I bet we would be having this conversation in german and slavs wouldn't have been part of EU if it weren't for USA a country which we did ask for help. NOT EU! And we have the bodies of thousands of dead to prove that we won it and earned it. As far as churches if you use them in a campaign against Kosova and its freedom and considering that freedom is a zero sum game you can clearly deduce what I think should happen.
(Bekim, 11 January 2010, 18:17)
First of all, it was my country who helped defeat the Germans AND your country... do not try and revise history by pretending Albanians were not Nazi pawns.
Second of all, having dead bodies does not award you victor status. Recall General George Patton who once said something to the effect of,
"No one ever won a war by dying for his country. He won a war by making the other poor SOB die for HIS country."
As your thoughts on destroying churches, it is people like you that caused the violence to reach that level. It is sickening that you can justify it in your own mind.
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I don't like this idea of sending Albanian judges from the south to the North. That spells trouble and conflict. Whoever thought that should be fired on the spot. The judges there should be Serb and rightly so, since the majority of those living there are Serbs. Maybe an Albanian judge for the Albanian neighborhood there is sufficient just so that we don't hear anything in the news that an Albanian got punished by Serb judges because he was Albanian. Same thing would happen if the judges there were all Albanian and Serb were sentenced. That is not good for any of the sides.
However I believe that some sort of a deal should be made between the Serb judges in the north and EULEX. Not because of any hopeless wish for Prishtina to have authority over them; but because judges can be corrupted too and EULEX would be in a great position to oversee them and rid the corrupted ones.
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The time when all foreign occupiers will be driven from Kosova is now very close.
(Flamur, 11 January 2010 17:40)
Do you consider yourself, Flamur?
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REGARDING: The time when all foreign occupiers will be driven from Kosova is now very close.
(Flamur, 11 January 2010 17:40)
Albanian's in large numbers will have to leave Kosovo. 1st, no economy, 2. Serbia will gain control slowly not just of the north, and this will force the radical ones to leave. If u think for one min. that Kosovo is forever lost from Serbia, u are not a rational thinker.
What would a stolen independent muslim state bring to Europe? That's what I thought.
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in Kosova, just ask Jason. So pardon me for not being thankful to a bunch of thieves and pedophiles with immunity who steal charity money. Vile doesn't describe fairly what I think of EULEX and west EU, close though.
(Bekim, 11 January 2010 19:53)
You don't have to show how viril you are, we know it by now and that is for this very same reason that your reputation in the West is soo bad and with comments like yours will never have any chance to get any better.
Of course you have your hero criminals thaci and co acting like a muppet show trying to flex muscles that they don't have anynmore!
Don't you see it man, the number 1244 is written on every wall whether you like it or nobody is asking you, you wanted an illegal UDI, you got it, but it came with all these strings attached around that makes your pseudo politicians open or close their mouths and move them from right to left!
Welcome to the reality!
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It doesnt matter one bit but in the end you'll open your eyes and see they think they're ENTITLED. To you. Also to Kosovo, half of Macedonia and Montenegro and Presevo valley up to and including Nis. And a bit of northern Greece. Your country could not choose worse clans to support and I know your country supported Taliban also. In the end everyone will see they are even worse choice. The thing will mutate more no matter what any sane person tries to stop it. Many sane people saw it from the start thats why your country bribes threatens begs for recognitions and fails so much.
Now I'm serious. I know you guys get threats from Albanians for all kinds not just political reasons or when they think you dont hate Serbs enough. Like you know you dont have to like us we wont like you but we wont threaten you. Albanian threats if you get them take seriously and take care of yourself.
(Tabalija, 11 January 2010 23:48)
All true aside from the last bit, Tabalija. I do like the Serbian People a great deal, and I have many fine friends and been to many a slava in places ranging from Gracanica to Kolasin. I am ashamed of my country's foreign policy to be honest, and ashamed of the what has happened here. For the most part, Serbs here have not taken out my country's politics out on me, and for that I am grateful.
Do remember that some of us in America support Serbs and Serbia.
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There will be no agreement because those Serbian judges were hand picked by the Slobodan Regime. They have no plans of enforcing the Kosovar Laws nor the UNMIK laws.
The Thaci Administration might have to flex a muscle to show these hooligans that this isn't Serbia nor any other place where they can do w/e they want.
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This is the reason why EULEX must leave. Some war criminals and rapists are holding Kosova justice hostage and EULEX is not doing anything.
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for all the internet-talibs in here: if unisex says no, i´m gonna pay for the first and only bus-ride of the sharia-"judges" into the liberated parts of kosmet ...
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People like you have paid 1000 times more to stop the wars that Serbia has started.
Please be thankful to K-Albanians and K-Government for making it possible that peace finally prevails in the region.
(miri, 11 January 2010 19:40)
Well, then please OBEY (!) international law and accept that Kosovo province is still part of Serbia.
That was the deal back in 1999. And as long as there is no mutual agreed deal Kosovo is part of Serbia.
Albanians, please stop 'cheating'. And start playing by the rules!
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(Jason, 11 January 2010 15:41
Who are you? You work for any foreign organisation in Kosovo such as EULEX, ICO KFOR or UNDP? Who are you that Kosovars should be grateful, what have you personally done to make Kosovars express themself freely? If thats true you work for any, it wont take more then 24h for you to be deported back where you came from.
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So please be 'thankful' to us in Western Europe. We are paying to govern your province. So please show us some respect. OK?
(Ron, 11 January 2010 18:54)
Ron, respect is not part of their vocabulary, you should have already understood it by now, fortunately 1244 is there to remind them time to time whom they should obey to...
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Wow. Bekim, we are the reason you are even able to sit in Kosovo and call for violence against Serbs. In 1999 you were run clear up into the mountains until you were saved by the very people comprising EULEX.
We never invited EU to help us in '99. We saw what happened to Bosnia because of the mantra repeated in every capital in EU "No muslim states in Europe!". So I would tell you where to take your sanctimonious crap and do with it but B92 would probably censor that.
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The Thaci Administration might have to flex a muscle to show these hooligans that this isn't Serbia nor any other place where they can do w/e they want.
(KOSOVARi, 11 January 2010 20:32)
My friend, Kosovo still is part of Serbia!
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>In 1999 you were run clear up into the mountains until you were saved by the very people comprising EULEX.
You are like some of the other ungrateful Albanians..
Cicavica aside. I dont understand. In 1999 Eulex wasnt even a filthy thought in William Walkers mind. Why should Albanians be grateful to Eulex?
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>if unisex says no, i´m gonna pay for the first and only bus-ride of the sharia-"judges"
Aha lets all chip in. And then lets all get together and plan a little picnic.
Seriously such a bad idea. For everyone.
In March 2008 good solid message was sent and it keeps them all away. You see how this unspellable feller says it in article, obviously they get it. Personally I dont think we need to send another one but if the other side wants it of course they will have it. One thing is for sure Serbs wont cross Ibar.
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I haven't been for a while on this site, but how Jason put it in couple of sentences - it summarize it all great from inside out - all true, can't say it better - it hurts but can't say it straight to the point in very polite way - and shouldn't try.
I posted same thing year ago - "Albanians hasn't earn independence - they don't deserve it - UDI are forced on them by WEST - for different political reasons(Bondsteel, to please Muslim countires at times-Clinton, to get foot in Balkans - to balance against Russia etc.)
Again all true to toothless threats against Serbian Army - again first gunshot without NATO or EULEX in Kosovo - the shortest and fastest run to the mountains - AJMO(BJEZMO) SVI U PLANINE.
But also I said before:doing politics last 20 years and handle Kosovo -Serbia and Serbian politicians don't deserve Kosovo either.
So, must be forced talks on both sides for compromise, reconciliations, peace and EU integrations.
Jason, thanks one more time.
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Now get the hell out of my country!
(Bekim, 12 January 2010, 21:15)
You sound like a small child having a temper tantrum, man. Grow up a bit, eh?
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who cashed golden teeth taken from Jews in concentration camps. Shall I go on?And you Jason do tell us which country you hail from that so fought the germans in WWII?
(Bekim, 12 January 2010 01:39)
Hahaha, good point, If you wanted to get me nervous with your comment, you failed because I'm the first one to condemn the role of some of our politicians and companies during the world war II, mostly from the swiss german part...
On the other hand if "we" are so bad, then what are the 180thds or more of your fellow citizens doing in Switzerland..., would love to have your comment on this :)
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i hate people that blow their own trumpet
thanks
roberto
(roberto, 12 January 2010 18:31)
Then you, sir, must be a typical self-loather.
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It is funny how you make threats on here about destroying monasteries or going into the north when in reality you do not have intestinal fortitude to try it. NATO gave you what you have - you did not earn it.
Never forget this.
(Jason, 11 January 2010 17:23)
Again Jason I don't think you are someone that knows what fortitude is let alone who has it. If we are talking about fortitude of EU nations during WWII I bet we would be having this conversation in german and slavs wouldn't have been part of EU if it weren't for USA a country which we did ask for help. NOT EU! And we have the bodies of thousands of dead to prove that we won it and earned it. As far as churches if you use them in a campaign against Kosova and its freedom and considering that freedom is a zero sum game you can clearly deduce what I think should happen.
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Pejoni,
People like me, from the rich countries in Western Europe pay a lot of tax money that goes to Kosovo.
So please be 'thankful' to us in Western Europe. We are paying to govern your province. So please show us some respect. OK?
(Ron, 11 January 2010 18:54)
People like you have paid 1000 times more to stop the wars that Serbia has started.
Please be thankful to K-Albanians and K-Government for making it possible that peace finally prevails in the region.
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Jason, are you old enough to remember 1998/1999? (I can almost, hazily, remember the dinosaurs, myself.) The KLA took on the 4th largest army in Europe with no guarantee from the U.S. or anybody that they would be supported. Clinton got the U.S. to come in by (stupidly) promising that we would not use ground troops - that would be up to the locals. So we ended up with 2 casualties, and the Kosovars with how many? Air power alone was not enough to end the fighting, and diplomacy certainly wasn't. I figure the Kosovars earned their country.
On the other hand, threats against monasteries are just plain stupid.
(Amer, 11 January 2010 21:16)
Amer:
1. Yugoslavian army was in 1999 not 4th largest army in Europe. In 1998-9 Yugoslavian army was badly damaged after wars in Croatia and Bosna and long time embargo. Strongest armies in Europe had: Russia, Germany, UK, France, Spain, Italy, Greece, Turkey, Ukraine, Belorussia, Poland. So - it was mayby 12th in Europe.
2. Iraqi or Afghani rebels started war against FIRST POWER ON EARTH. Without any help.
3. Terrorist strategy and attack against K-Serb civilians and than escape into mountains - it was very "heroic" strategy.
4. "Kosovars" (what is a nation "Kosovars"??) not earned any country. UCK terrorists defeated war. Only US intervention saved them.
5. We remember who burned Patriarchate of Peć in and expelled K-Serbs in 1981. It was same terrorist strategy.
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(Hruz, 12 January 2010 15:27)
Albanians here's guys drip feeding you independence fantasy saying you must behave or else. You get it not even drip and crumbs if you dont behave? And good clean anti-Serb fellers too. So why they speak to you Albanians like cocky colonial sheriffs? I see no respect no great admiration like between equal allies. Why is that?
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The time when all foreign occupiers will be driven from Kosova is now very close.
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Yes, get mad! I love it, really. The last person to say I will be deported or sent home was Kosovo-USA and he only looked foolish for not being able to actually debate me. I guess the same goes for you.
As for me, who I am is frankly none of your business. I am merely someone who works here.
Who are you?
(Jason, 11 January 2010 17:44)
Mad, no! Irritated, yes I am at the way you speak yet try to sound as you work for a foreign organisation in Kosovo, which if you did you would be fully aware there are rules and you're breaking the very one which is forbiden to take "one side and be against the other" which you clearly have shown on your previous commments. Trust me when I say you would be deported home who ever you may be and you wouldnt be the first one if you know what I'm talking about, sure you must have heard what happend to others who acted in the way you are doing right now, no?
Oh and I'm just an average Albanian, not pretending to be someone.
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Jason, as long as those opinions don't affect people's lives in a negative way you can keep them. I specifically have in mind Albanians since the attitude you have towards us is well known. We all have opinions. There is nothing to get angry about them. Since there is no way to verify from these posts whether or not your opinions lead you to abuse your job then it is nonsensical to talk about identity revelation either.
One advice though and this goes to those who are on our side too. Do not become more Serbs than the Serbs and more Albanian than Albanians. If EULEX was to turn that way than that mission would be a terribly failed mission.
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The time when all foreign occupiers will be driven from Kosova is now very close.
(Flamur, 11 January 2010 17:40)
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How do you plant to do that?
Are you going to war against NATO now because they are the occupiers?
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Roberto don't worry dude. Every group and nation has people that are on the fringes of society. Us Albanians are no exception. You can see the various mindsets here on B92 both on the Albanian and Serbian side; also on the international side. Don't take anything personally. I myself have been accused of not being Albanian enough too. Whatever that means. Some people love to provoke and some people lack the mental strength and ability to spot and hold provocations when they appear. As a result they go into generalizations, and into personal attacks. I ask you, Jason, Olf, all the other internationals, and all those who post here not to take seriously any provocation or verbal attacks coming from any side be it Serbs or Albanians. Taking such personal verbal attacks, or provocation seriously is nothing but giving credence to the fringes of our respective societies.
I ask you, Jason and all the other internationals, despite the opinion you have on Kosova to continue doing the best job possible and if possible to leave your personal opinions home ,whether they are for us or against us, while you are trying to help the people in Kosova be them Serb or Albanian. Since it is harder for us that have been in the conflict to detach our opinions from our jobs your help as international would be very grateful if there is a detachment of your political views from your technical jobs.
You will always have people that are not happy others, and foreigners, and as you might have seen on B92 posts this is on much higher levels in the Balkans. There are people that no matter what you do to help they will not be happy but will group you with the few that have failed them.
I sincerely ask you and other posters, despite ethnicity here to refrain from personal verbal attacks so that we can continue to have a conversation and discussion that is not only meaningful but also based on reason and not yelling. Different viewpoints on issues when discussed in a reasonable fashion without personal attacks do not bring regress but progress; as such different and opposite viewpoints should be welcome as we all learn where each of us stands on specific issues. We don't have to agree on them. We can have a meaningful discussion if we learn to agree to disagree and not degenerate our conversations into a yelling and personal accusation fest.
P.S I join you on equal rights for the gays, marriage included.
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People like me, from the rich countries in Western Europe pay a lot of tax money that goes to Kosovo.
So please be 'thankful' to us in Western Europe. We are paying to govern your province. So please show us some respect. OK?
(Ron, 11 January 2010 18:54)
Firstly all the money from EU taxes are going to Greece and Spain and the money donated to Kosova is being stolen by the very people that are part of EULEX. One bureaucrat from EULEX gets paid enough to feed a village in Kosova, just ask Jason. So pardon me for not being thankful to a bunch of thieves and pedophiles with immunity who steal charity money. Vile doesn't describe fairly what I think of EULEX and west EU, close though.
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>The KLA took on the 4th largest army in Europe with no guarantee from the U.S. or anybody that they would be supported.....
Leave the nonsense for someone who doesnt know you and yours Alban. Ovk or Uck terrorists were trained and financed by west since 96 at least. Milosevic's fault alone he didnt squash them there and then like bugs they are. Our fault we didnt squash Milosevic when we saw he was letting terrorists carry on. 99 aggression on Serbia was illegal and unprovoked and just postponed from 98. Nothing to do with what we did or didnt do.
Theres bunch of criminals sitting in many armies and governments all over west now or maybe retired. Lot of good they did for their countries though? Whats body count made by that mentality in Iraq and Afghanistan now? I bet it's painfully painfully high.
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Second. Jason it doesn't hurt to educate yourself. If Kosova Albanians were terrorists you'd be seeing buses blown up is Belgrade. Instead what was blown up were police stations and military buildings in Kosova. You know non-civilian institutions. Guerrila war and terrorism are two different things. If you wanna talk about terrorism talk about Srebrenica. Talk about how 60 civilians among them babies 1 year old were killed inside pizzerias. If that is not terrorism in your eyes then you are no better than those who committed such crimes.
Can you name me any occurrence like the pizzeria shooting or anything of the scale of Sreberenica that was committed by Kosova Albanians?
(johny, 12 January 2010 18:28)
Johny,
Yes there is a difference between terrorism and guerrilla warfare. I have no doubt you know about these differences and it is clear that you are educated on this subject. You know the saying, "one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter."
There are hundreds of incidents predating the war and well after it (which are the most heinous since Kosovo was under NATO occupation) where Serb civilians were killed in terrorist violence. The children gunned down while swimming in Gorazdevac, the 12 farmers gunned while working their fields down near Lipljan, the car bombing of the last Serbian official to work in Pristina back in 2001 - the guy worked in the passport office, hardly a military threat - the Nis bus bombing... and I can keep going with hundreds of systematic murders of Serb civilians in 1998 and 1999...
I do not minimize civilian losses in Bosnia at all, but I still think that there was plenty of terrorism committed here by the KLA and denying it seems to be dishonest to me.
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Johny,
Well written and moderate post, man. I think I had you wrong before... Cheers.
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Yes, get mad! I love it, really. The last person to say I will be deported or sent home was Kosovo-USA and he only looked foolish for not being able to actually debate me. I guess the same goes for you.
As for me, who I am is frankly none of your business. I am merely someone who works here.
Who are you?
(Jason, 11 January 2010 17:44)
I never asked for a debate. All I asked of you is to rveale your true identity,and if you are a US citizen working for the said organizations that were mentioned by another poster, I can assure you that you will be out of Kosova within 48 hours.
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'It is funny how you make threats on here about destroying monasteries or going into the north when in reality you do not have intestinal fortitude to try it. NATO gave you what you have - you did not earn it.
Never forget this.
(Jason, 11 January 2010 17:23) '
Jason, are you old enough to remember 1998/1999? (I can almost, hazily, remember the dinosaurs, myself.) The KLA took on the 4th largest army in Europe with no guarantee from the U.S. or anybody that they would be supported. Clinton got the U.S. to come in by (stupidly) promising that we would not use ground troops - that would be up to the locals. So we ended up with 2 casualties, and the Kosovars with how many? Air power alone was not enough to end the fighting, and diplomacy certainly wasn't. I figure the Kosovars earned their country.
On the other hand, threats against monasteries are just plain stupid.
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Bekim
Some light to shed on your mind:
1. EUrocrats as you call me are here thanks to the TAXPAYERS of EU. You and no one in Kosovo are one of them
2. EU taxpayers are funding the cleanup of this hole called Kosovo because it is in the doorstep of EU and poses security threat, and a hotbed of criminals exported to EU
3. It is easier to tackle the beehive than fight the bees spread all over, i.e criminals. That is the logic in the interest of EU.
4. You should walk on the street with the proud thought that your people were given a chance to prove that you can stand on your own as a civilised European state.
5. This will take lots of time and pain listening to the more experienced and cleverer Eurocrats, I know this is difficult to swallow your pride, but you have to, for the sake of your grandchildrens.
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>They should be grateful for other people to fight their battles
(Jason,
It doesnt matter one bit but in the end you'll open your eyes and see they think they're ENTITLED. To you. Also to Kosovo, half of Macedonia and Montenegro and Presevo valley up to and including Nis. And a bit of northern Greece. Your country could not choose worse clans to support and I know your country supported Taliban also. In the end everyone will see they are even worse choice. The thing will mutate more no matter what any sane person tries to stop it. Many sane people saw it from the start thats why your country bribes threatens begs for recognitions and fails so much.
Now I'm serious. I know you guys get threats from Albanians for all kinds not just political reasons or when they think you dont hate Serbs enough. Like you know you dont have to like us we wont like you but we wont threaten you. Albanian threats if you get them take seriously and take care of yourself.
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The time when all foreign occupiers will be driven from Kosova is now very close.
(Flamur, 11 January 2010 17:40)
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How do you plant to do that?
Are you going to war against NATO now because they are the occupiers?
(Peggy, 12 January 2010 00:10)
Yes Peggy, that's exactly what I mean. NATO, VJ, MUP - the initials are unimportant for they all spell occupation. Some of our children may still wave American flags but neither Jason's serbophilia nor Roberto homosexual rights are wanted here.
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"Yes Peggy, that's exactly what I mean. NATO, VJ, MUP - the initials are unimportant for they all spell occupation. Some of our children may still wave American flags but neither Jason's serbophilia nor Roberto homosexual rights are wanted here.
(Flamur, 12 January 2010 13:08) "
I dare you to tell this straight to Obama, Clinton and Biden!
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This is the reason why EULEX must leave. Some war criminals and rapists are holding Kosova justice hostage and EULEX is not doing anything.
(Bekim, 11 January 2010 15:13)
Bekim, there is a concise saying that applies here too.
"We just dont poop at the place where we go eat"
Another witty one: "Never bite the hand that feeds you"
Think about that before sending EULEX away. This goes out to Pejoni as well.
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Jason I didnt say Serbs disliked you, I dont know that, I said when generally we dislike someone.. we dont threaten to obliterate their entire family in blood feud and so on.
Now you hinted you work for Eulex. If you do this applies. Eulex is violating mandate approved by Un, its not status neutral and it works against vital insterests of the state of Serbia therefore. I work to help vital and all other interests of the state of Serbia. So we have clash. And its not about what someone says but what they do. If someone works for Eulex and for example to make illegal parallel ahtisari municipality in north KM no amount of slava going will make them friend of Serbs. Although I believe you think what you say, but its irrelevant. Albanians shout at you for no reason. You work for their interest and they wont even let you be a little arrogant and push them around and have your own opinion in your free time.
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Now get the hell out of my country!
(Bekim, 12 January 2010 21:15)
You mean the UN governed Serbian province of Kosovo?
That is not a country. That is a PROVINCE!
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Roberto, a single deluded imperalist is less harmful than one who seeks to export to corrupt our children. If you were in Podujevo as you claim, you will have seen that there is no homosexuality there, nor any desire to see foreigners introduce such practices. If you believe it is everywhere, where are the naked homosexuals parading through Prishtina? Only in your dreams, it would appear.
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Well, you see that EULEX is making the decisions in Kosovo.
Time the Albanians accept that Kosovo is *NOT* an independent state!
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Hey Swiss you should har what they say about your kind out there. Hitler's bankers, or even more apt the people who cashed golden teeth taken from Jews in concentration camps. Shall I go on?And you Jason do tell us which country you hail from that so fought the germans in WWII?
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Bekim, there is a concise saying that applies here too.
"We just dont poop at the place where we go eat"
Another witty one: "Never bite the hand that feeds you"
Think about that before sending EULEX away. This goes out to Pejoni as well.
(Hruz, 12 January 2010 15:27)
I agree Hruz, and you EULEX bureaucrats should stop pooping all over the place that is giving them(probably you) immunity from any crime and paying absurd sums of money for a crappy job that you are doing. As far as feeding, EU is feeding Greece, Spain, Romania and few other countries and not just mine,however, there is a Chinese saying much more apt, if you want to feed someone for a day and then spend billions telling the whole world how you are saving muslims from starvation, give em a fish, but if you want to really feed them don't steal the money you are donating and teach them how to fix their electric producing companies.
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Eulex is there only to help partition of kosovo,nothing else.
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Albanians here's guys drip feeding you independence fantasy saying you must behave or else. You get it not even drip and crumbs if you dont behave? And good clean anti-Serb fellers too. So why they speak to you Albanians like cocky colonial sheriffs? I see no respect no great admiration like between equal allies. Why is that?
(Tabalija, 12 January 2010 20:44)
Talking about equals. Have you guys begged for warmth to the cocky Eurocrats for this yet? You know this time every year you run out of gas and a few months later out of money. Again before pointing you finger take a look at your own. Your country is in no better position having to beg every year so people don't die out of cold and beg for money so you don't starve out of poverty. It would behoove you that instead of this superiority complex you have towards other ethnicities you direct some of that criticism towards those in Belgrade who are freezing you to death and are keeping you poor. Fix your own house before lecturing others.
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Now get the hell out of my country!
(Bekim, 12 January 2010, 21:15)
You sound like a small child having a temper tantrum, man. Grow up a bit, eh?
(Jason, 12 January 2010 22:24)
Wow that's all you got from all that I wrote.
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We'll treat EULEX like UNMIK. Go along for 5 years, have Vetevendosje! start protesting against it..than slowly start to shun it away.
EULEX, start thinking about heading home. America, we love you and you can stay as long as you want!!
Peace
KOSOVARi
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It's all nice and toasty warm here in Belgrade at the moment, mate. No power cuts or anything - sweet.
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If you believe that your internet advocacy earns you the right to peddle to the supposedly grateful beneficiaries of your vital support, I suggest you restrain yourself to lecturing your Bosnian friends, more used as they are to a toxic foreign presence, about the "evils" of paternalism. Your message of perversion will never be welcome in Kosova. I am only pleased that you have exposed yourself here so that decent Albanian parents can be aware of your agenda and respond appropriately.
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1. EUrocrats as you call me are here thanks to the TAXPAYERS of EU. You and no one in Kosovo are one of them
2. EU taxpayers are funding the cleanup of this hole called Kosovo because it is in the doorstep of EU and poses security threat, and a hotbed of criminals exported to EU
EU taxpayers can go themselves, we don't need the charity so you can feel "christian" of yourselves
3. It is easier to tackle the beehive than fight the bees spread all over, i.e criminals. That is the logic in the interest of EU.
If that was the case then you should send EULEX in Italy , Romania, Greece and so on and on.
4. You should walk on the street with the proud thought that your people were given a chance to prove that you can stand on your own as a civilised European state.
Huh! You keep saying civilized as if it means something. Civilized germans used to gas people and then burn their bodies after they had removed their golden teeth, of course.
5. This will take lots of time and pain listening to the more experienced and cleverer Eurocrats, I know this is difficult to swallow your pride, but you have to, for the sake of your grandchildrens.
Ah, sanctimony and a patronizing attitude, my favorite. Now get the hell out of my country!
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Bekim,
Having nothing to argue my comment will not entitle you to "pedophile" me.
Probably due to your young age, you discredit yourselves with this tantrum.
Bekim, if you want to be a good patriot, please take a broom and clean your environment first. I have been to Romania and other poor European countries before, but nowhere I experienced this utter carelessness to live on gargabe dumps, parents blowing smoke in their children's face in restaurants and so on. Is this what you are proud of? Or maybe the booming economy, bright eyed honest taxpayers, perhaps your strong army that can defy Serbia and Nato?
Finally to B92.
Please wake up and don't use double standards, if you censor words in my comments "ignorant" to Bekim, and I EXPECT B92 to delete comments amounting to outright personal insults as "pedophile".
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Wow that's all you got from all that I wrote.
(Bekim, 13 January 2010 01:28)
Yes, I did not see anything of any intellectual significance in that entire, rambling diatribe.
Hey, since we will be neighbors soon after I build my cabin up near Gazivode, would you like to come over for a cookout?
Kosovari,
What about Americans in EULEX? Are we still welcome?
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Quote from Flamur (See below) - The time when all foreign occupiers will be driven from Kosova is now very close.
Which foreign occupiers - US, EU, Albanians?!
As you cannot spell Kosovo properly, I suppose you also include Serbs in your generalisation?
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(Amer, 12 January 2010 20:56)
Amer - when UCk started their terrorist attacks - in Kosovo were only small army units. So - bandits can have their own "big victories". But after 3rd Army units comes into province - they were crushed and escaped into mountains or to Albania.
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We never invited EU to help us in '99. We saw what happened to Bosnia because of the mantra repeated in every capital in EU "No muslim states in Europe!". So I would tell you where to take your sanctimonious crap and do with it but B92 would probably censor that.
(Bekim, 11 January 2010 16:29)
bekim, appropriately or not i really feel i have to apologize for what we are seeing on this site. it brings new meaning to the old term "ugly american." i have already said my piece, how i view that particular international, pardon the expression. i'm used to such characters (middle school) and have no patience with them. the main difference is that we don't go out of our way to give them a platform, much less highlight them. think about it.
the US (and others) did, in fact, come in -- a few minutes to midnight -- to help save the day. for many reasons, humanitarian and otherwise. i wasn't there, but followed things minute by minute, blow by blow. it was unimaginably horrible for the people on the ground; in a way, it was the worst of all worlds. we needed ground troops -- underestimated slobo's intransigence. in retrospect, we were a bit arrogant and naive. and yes, in many respects the kla was the force for liberation, in an otherwise impossible terrain...
the enemy took full advantage of the situation, made the lives of a million people miserable. murdered thousands, systematically raped god knows how many (it isn't discussed openly in such a society), created havoc and hell. we got them out, thank god, but at a very steep price to native people.
based on what i've read, ground troops would have followed soon, but finally serbia's resolve collapsed. that was their grand "victory."
as to the churches and monasteries -- normally they must be sacrosanct, as should remain all religious institutions. if we know anything about the 90s, we know of the 100s of mosque's and catholic churches destroyed by the enemy. it
is well known and instructive.
i am aware that SOME churches were built during the slobo era, as types of fortresses ag. the native albanian population. some of them were burned down shortly after war's end, they were considered legitimate targets.
for me it is a slippery slope, all the way round.
again, i must apologize to every Kosovar, esp.ly the albanians, for the ugly comments today. there is no excuse: the "bad apple" metaphor doesn't even begin to approach it.
btw, i have a great deal of respect for mrs. kelmendi. there must be a solution for mitrovica -- some compromise, but it cannot be allowed to continue as a lawless island of hate and subversion.
thank you, and one day i'll learn some more albanian, as well i should, as well we should!
felamenderit! my frnds.
roberto
just back fr podujevo and pristina
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'i can understand it about foreigners (or anyone) that profits off of other's misery, but you have no right to lump me in w/such types. ever.'
Roberto, like it or not, you're an American before anything else to most non-Americans, and should expect to be lumped in with the rest of us. Face it - wouldn't you begin to resent foreigners (even Canadians!) who moved into the U.S. in force to tell us how to run our government, our economy, our society? Eventually the time comes for even invited guests to leave.
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thank you, flamur, for that nice crisp bit of morning homophobia.
well, guess what -- your homophobic attitude ain't wanted HERE. gay life is not a foreign import -- there are lgbt people in every land, incl yours. i've met em, heard from them. leave the bad part of the 19th century behind you! democraCY AND pluralism are not yr enemies.
you really need to differentiate between arrogant imperialistic attitudes like his, and the work for human rights throughout the world. it may all look the same to you but believe me, it is not.
ciao!
roberto
frisco
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To respond to a Serb poster here. I wouldn't talk about ENTITLEMENT if I were a Serb. There is a saying " Serbia till Tokyo". That alone expresses the SELF-ENTITLEMENT attitude of the Serbian society. Think about your own before pointing fingers.
Second. Jason it doesn't hurt to educate yourself. If Kosova Albanians were terrorists you'd be seeing buses blown up is Belgrade. Instead what was blown up were police stations and military buildings in Kosova. You know non-civilian institutions. Guerrila war and terrorism are two different things. If you wanna talk about terrorism talk about Srebrenica. Talk about how 60 civilians among them babies 1 year old were killed inside pizzerias. If that is not terrorism in your eyes then you are no better than those who committed such crimes.
Can you name me any occurrence like the pizzeria shooting or anything of the scale of Sreberenica that was committed by Kosova Albanians?
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Flamur -- after i wrote to you (in haste and in anger -- who, me??) i was really thinking about why you went after me, which seems to me so bizarre and irrational. i hate people that blow their own trumpet, but since you put me in the same league w Ugly American and even MUP!! i have to respond. all of the time effort not to mention my own $$ that i have put out to plead, defend and otherwise promote the case for an independent kosovo/a, and for human rights in the balkans and throughout the world does not earn me your nasty attitude. i can understand it about foreigners (or anyone) that profits off of other's misery, but you have no right to lump me in w/such types. ever.
i believe that what is happening here is one after another after another of the worst examples of nasty colonial, ugly attitude from someone PAID to protect people there just flipped a few switches, and understandably so. i do not believe, CANNOT believe that such evil and arrogance represents intl workers as a whole, kfor, eulex, whatever. some bad ones, yes, but as a whole, no.
if you can convince me that i am wrong, then i will change my attitude and at least call for eulex to be set away.
as for the gay equal rights issues: i very well that know that you and many others come fr a deeply patriarchal where such things as i discuss have no menaing, except as some kind of "perversion" or "rape" or "abberation." i have gone round and round with some of my frnds about this, sometimes w success, sometimes not. for example, with albin kurti -- he is an intellectual and i'm sure not a homophobe. i also came from a patriarchal culture here, and learned better, and so can you and others. we don't have to be enemies or opponents; we can learn from one another.
again, i must stress, when you print all the provocative hate messages here, there are consequences...
thanks
roberto
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"1. Yugoslavian army was in 1999 not 4th largest army in Europe. ..."
I shouldn't have put a number on its relative size, you're right. On the other hand, Serbia had armament factories, trained and experienced officers, tanks and heavy equipment ... It was still massively more than the Kosovars had.
"2. Iraqi or Afghani rebels started war against FIRST POWER ON EARTH. Without any help."
Who ever said they were cowards?
"3. Terrorist strategy and attack against K-Serb civilians and than escape into mountains - it was very "heroic" strategy."
Their targets were mainly military and police forces. Of course they escaped to the mountains! Didn't the partisans escape after an attack?
"4. ... Only US intervention saved them."
As only the French, perhaps, saved us in 1781: "Yorktown - This was the last major battle of the Revolutionary War, occurring in 1781 ... The war might not have ended had the French navy not cut the British army off from its supplies (after a rare event, a victory of the French navy over the British). It effectively ended the war and made George Washington a legend to this day." http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/273253/key_battles_in_american_history_from.html BTW, the first portrait to be hung in the Capitol Building in D.C. was of Lafayette - we knew who we owed.
"5. We remember who burned Patriarchate of Peć in and expelled K-Serbs in 1981. It was same terrorist strategy."
Always a bad idea to go after your enemy's religious buildings, granted, but this wasn't the KLA in 1981.
(Milan, 12 January 2010 12:16)
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This is the reason why EULEX must leave. Some war criminals and rapists are holding Kosova justice hostage and EULEX is not doing anything.
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Yes, get mad! I love it, really. The last person to say I will be deported or sent home was Kosovo-USA and he only looked foolish for not being able to actually debate me. I guess the same goes for you.
As for me, who I am is frankly none of your business. I am merely someone who works here.
Who are you?
(Jason, 11 January 2010 17:44)
I never asked for a debate. All I asked of you is to rveale your true identity,and if you are a US citizen working for the said organizations that were mentioned by another poster, I can assure you that you will be out of Kosova within 48 hours.
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Wow. Bekim, we are the reason you are even able to sit in Kosovo and call for violence against Serbs. In 1999 you were run clear up into the mountains until you were saved by the very people comprising EULEX.
We never invited EU to help us in '99. We saw what happened to Bosnia because of the mantra repeated in every capital in EU "No muslim states in Europe!". So I would tell you where to take your sanctimonious crap and do with it but B92 would probably censor that.
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We never invited EU to help us in '99. We saw what happened to Bosnia because of the mantra repeated in every capital in EU "No muslim states in Europe!". So I would tell you where to take your sanctimonious crap and do with it but B92 would probably censor that.
(Bekim, 11 January 2010 16:29)
bekim, appropriately or not i really feel i have to apologize for what we are seeing on this site. it brings new meaning to the old term "ugly american." i have already said my piece, how i view that particular international, pardon the expression. i'm used to such characters (middle school) and have no patience with them. the main difference is that we don't go out of our way to give them a platform, much less highlight them. think about it.
the US (and others) did, in fact, come in -- a few minutes to midnight -- to help save the day. for many reasons, humanitarian and otherwise. i wasn't there, but followed things minute by minute, blow by blow. it was unimaginably horrible for the people on the ground; in a way, it was the worst of all worlds. we needed ground troops -- underestimated slobo's intransigence. in retrospect, we were a bit arrogant and naive. and yes, in many respects the kla was the force for liberation, in an otherwise impossible terrain...
the enemy took full advantage of the situation, made the lives of a million people miserable. murdered thousands, systematically raped god knows how many (it isn't discussed openly in such a society), created havoc and hell. we got them out, thank god, but at a very steep price to native people.
based on what i've read, ground troops would have followed soon, but finally serbia's resolve collapsed. that was their grand "victory."
as to the churches and monasteries -- normally they must be sacrosanct, as should remain all religious institutions. if we know anything about the 90s, we know of the 100s of mosque's and catholic churches destroyed by the enemy. it
is well known and instructive.
i am aware that SOME churches were built during the slobo era, as types of fortresses ag. the native albanian population. some of them were burned down shortly after war's end, they were considered legitimate targets.
for me it is a slippery slope, all the way round.
again, i must apologize to every Kosovar, esp.ly the albanians, for the ugly comments today. there is no excuse: the "bad apple" metaphor doesn't even begin to approach it.
btw, i have a great deal of respect for mrs. kelmendi. there must be a solution for mitrovica -- some compromise, but it cannot be allowed to continue as a lawless island of hate and subversion.
thank you, and one day i'll learn some more albanian, as well i should, as well we should!
felamenderit! my frnds.
roberto
just back fr podujevo and pristina
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It is funny how you make threats on here about destroying monasteries or going into the north when in reality you do not have intestinal fortitude to try it. NATO gave you what you have - you did not earn it.
Never forget this.
(Jason, 11 January 2010 17:23)
Again Jason I don't think you are someone that knows what fortitude is let alone who has it. If we are talking about fortitude of EU nations during WWII I bet we would be having this conversation in german and slavs wouldn't have been part of EU if it weren't for USA a country which we did ask for help. NOT EU! And we have the bodies of thousands of dead to prove that we won it and earned it. As far as churches if you use them in a campaign against Kosova and its freedom and considering that freedom is a zero sum game you can clearly deduce what I think should happen.
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(Jason, 11 January 2010 15:41
Who are you? You work for any foreign organisation in Kosovo such as EULEX, ICO KFOR or UNDP? Who are you that Kosovars should be grateful, what have you personally done to make Kosovars express themself freely? If thats true you work for any, it wont take more then 24h for you to be deported back where you came from.
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People like me, from the rich countries in Western Europe pay a lot of tax money that goes to Kosovo.
So please be 'thankful' to us in Western Europe. We are paying to govern your province. So please show us some respect. OK?
(Ron, 11 January 2010 18:54)
Firstly all the money from EU taxes are going to Greece and Spain and the money donated to Kosova is being stolen by the very people that are part of EULEX. One bureaucrat from EULEX gets paid enough to feed a village in Kosova, just ask Jason. So pardon me for not being thankful to a bunch of thieves and pedophiles with immunity who steal charity money. Vile doesn't describe fairly what I think of EULEX and west EU, close though.
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There will be no agreement because those Serbian judges were hand picked by the Slobodan Regime. They have no plans of enforcing the Kosovar Laws nor the UNMIK laws.
The Thaci Administration might have to flex a muscle to show these hooligans that this isn't Serbia nor any other place where they can do w/e they want.
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Pejoni,
People like me, from the rich countries in Western Europe pay a lot of tax money that goes to Kosovo.
So please be 'thankful' to us in Western Europe. We are paying to govern your province. So please show us some respect. OK?
(Ron, 11 January 2010 18:54)
People like you have paid 1000 times more to stop the wars that Serbia has started.
Please be thankful to K-Albanians and K-Government for making it possible that peace finally prevails in the region.
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The time when all foreign occupiers will be driven from Kosova is now very close.
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This is the reason why EULEX must leave. Some war criminals and rapists are holding Kosova justice hostage and EULEX is not doing anything.
(Bekim, 11 January 2010, 15:13)
Wow. Bekim, we are the reason you are even able to sit in Kosovo and call for violence against Serbs. In 1999 you were run clear up into the mountains until you were saved by the very people comprising EULEX.
You are like some of the other ungrateful Albanians who now have convinced yourselves that you beat the Serbian military and you don't need outside assistance. I have news for you: you are not free to do as you wish. You got your autonomy at a price... the price being you do as your masters in Brussels and Washington say.
Don't delude yourself into thinking you would get any more than an ass kicking if you tried to take the north of Kosovo.
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I never asked for a debate. All I asked of you is to rveale your true identity,and if you are a US citizen working for the said organizations that were mentioned by another poster, I can assure you that you will be out of Kosova within 48 hours.
(Kosova-USA, 11 January 2010 19:45)
I know you never asked because you are incapable of debating me. Instead you shift between silly distractions like trying to guess my nationality or idle threats about how the all-powerful Kosovo-USA will have me sent home in 48 hours.
My identity is my business. I can tell I have gotten under your skin because all you can do is fantasize about sending me home. Bottom line: you hate that I am here in Kosovo with my own opinion rather than my government's. Accept it and move on, man.
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Yes, get mad! I love it, really. The last person to say I will be deported or sent home was Kosovo-USA and he only looked foolish for not being able to actually debate me. I guess the same goes for you.
As for me, who I am is frankly none of your business. I am merely someone who works here.
Who are you?
(Jason, 11 January 2010 17:44)
Mad, no! Irritated, yes I am at the way you speak yet try to sound as you work for a foreign organisation in Kosovo, which if you did you would be fully aware there are rules and you're breaking the very one which is forbiden to take "one side and be against the other" which you clearly have shown on your previous commments. Trust me when I say you would be deported home who ever you may be and you wouldnt be the first one if you know what I'm talking about, sure you must have heard what happend to others who acted in the way you are doing right now, no?
Oh and I'm just an average Albanian, not pretending to be someone.
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Hey Swiss you should har what they say about your kind out there. Hitler's bankers, or even more apt the people who cashed golden teeth taken from Jews in concentration camps. Shall I go on?And you Jason do tell us which country you hail from that so fought the germans in WWII?
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Thaci will use ALL measures?
I hope that those measures don't include planning of burning more churches and monasteries or organ harvesting from helpless victims. When an individual of your reputation makes a statement of that magnitude---your masters should at least ask you to be a little more specific about your "ALL" measures and intentions. This way they can better protect their tires and windshields---which cost REAL money!
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Cicavica aside. I dont understand. In 1999 Eulex wasnt even a filthy thought in William Walkers mind. Why should Albanians be grateful to Eulex?
(Tabalija, 11 January 2010 19:15)
What I am saying is that the member countries of EULEX are the very same countries (for the most part) who illegally bombed Yugoslavia. Americans are EULEX members too remember. They should be grateful for other people to fight their battles is basically what I mean.
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'It is funny how you make threats on here about destroying monasteries or going into the north when in reality you do not have intestinal fortitude to try it. NATO gave you what you have - you did not earn it.
Never forget this.
(Jason, 11 January 2010 17:23) '
Jason, are you old enough to remember 1998/1999? (I can almost, hazily, remember the dinosaurs, myself.) The KLA took on the 4th largest army in Europe with no guarantee from the U.S. or anybody that they would be supported. Clinton got the U.S. to come in by (stupidly) promising that we would not use ground troops - that would be up to the locals. So we ended up with 2 casualties, and the Kosovars with how many? Air power alone was not enough to end the fighting, and diplomacy certainly wasn't. I figure the Kosovars earned their country.
On the other hand, threats against monasteries are just plain stupid.
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Prština announced that it would “take all measures” to get the District Court in the northern part of Kosovska Mitrovica functioning under its control.
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When something is forced, it is a sign of weakness. Ethnic Albanian control of the North is a lost cause. It is far better for those people to focus on problems within the ethnic Albanian community and to stop devising provocations in Serbian areas.
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We never invited EU to help us in '99. We saw what happened to Bosnia because of the mantra repeated in every capital in EU "No muslim states in Europe!". So I would tell you where to take your sanctimonious crap and do with it but B92 would probably censor that.
(Bekim, 11 January 2010 16:29)
It does not matter if you invited us here or not. The fact was you had your handed to you and internationals had to step in.
It is funny how you make threats on here about destroying monasteries or going into the north when in reality you do not have intestinal fortitude to try it. NATO gave you what you have - you did not earn it.
Never forget this.
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Jason, as long as those opinions don't affect people's lives in a negative way you can keep them. I specifically have in mind Albanians since the attitude you have towards us is well known. We all have opinions. There is nothing to get angry about them. Since there is no way to verify from these posts whether or not your opinions lead you to abuse your job then it is nonsensical to talk about identity revelation either.
One advice though and this goes to those who are on our side too. Do not become more Serbs than the Serbs and more Albanian than Albanians. If EULEX was to turn that way than that mission would be a terribly failed mission.
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As we all know EULEX is in control. So what EULEX is trying to say: this will not happen!
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Pejoni,
People like me, from the rich countries in Western Europe pay a lot of tax money that goes to Kosovo.
So please be 'thankful' to us in Western Europe. We are paying to govern your province. So please show us some respect. OK?
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thank you, flamur, for that nice crisp bit of morning homophobia.
well, guess what -- your homophobic attitude ain't wanted HERE. gay life is not a foreign import -- there are lgbt people in every land, incl yours. i've met em, heard from them. leave the bad part of the 19th century behind you! democraCY AND pluralism are not yr enemies.
you really need to differentiate between arrogant imperialistic attitudes like his, and the work for human rights throughout the world. it may all look the same to you but believe me, it is not.
ciao!
roberto
frisco
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(Jason, 11 January 2010 15:41
Who are you? You work for any foreign organisation in Kosovo such as EULEX, ICO KFOR or UNDP? Who are you that Kosovars should be grateful, what have you personally done to make Kosovars express themself freely? If thats true you work for any, it wont take more then 24h for you to be deported back where you came from.
(Pejoni, 11 January 2010, 17:31)
Yes, get mad! I love it, really. The last person to say I will be deported or sent home was Kosovo-USA and he only looked foolish for not being able to actually debate me. I guess the same goes for you.
As for me, who I am is frankly none of your business. I am merely someone who works here.
Who are you?
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Bekim, there is a concise saying that applies here too.
"We just dont poop at the place where we go eat"
Another witty one: "Never bite the hand that feeds you"
Think about that before sending EULEX away. This goes out to Pejoni as well.
(Hruz, 12 January 2010 15:27)
I agree Hruz, and you EULEX bureaucrats should stop pooping all over the place that is giving them(probably you) immunity from any crime and paying absurd sums of money for a crappy job that you are doing. As far as feeding, EU is feeding Greece, Spain, Romania and few other countries and not just mine,however, there is a Chinese saying much more apt, if you want to feed someone for a day and then spend billions telling the whole world how you are saving muslims from starvation, give em a fish, but if you want to really feed them don't steal the money you are donating and teach them how to fix their electric producing companies.
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Flamur -- after i wrote to you (in haste and in anger -- who, me??) i was really thinking about why you went after me, which seems to me so bizarre and irrational. i hate people that blow their own trumpet, but since you put me in the same league w Ugly American and even MUP!! i have to respond. all of the time effort not to mention my own $$ that i have put out to plead, defend and otherwise promote the case for an independent kosovo/a, and for human rights in the balkans and throughout the world does not earn me your nasty attitude. i can understand it about foreigners (or anyone) that profits off of other's misery, but you have no right to lump me in w/such types. ever.
i believe that what is happening here is one after another after another of the worst examples of nasty colonial, ugly attitude from someone PAID to protect people there just flipped a few switches, and understandably so. i do not believe, CANNOT believe that such evil and arrogance represents intl workers as a whole, kfor, eulex, whatever. some bad ones, yes, but as a whole, no.
if you can convince me that i am wrong, then i will change my attitude and at least call for eulex to be set away.
as for the gay equal rights issues: i very well that know that you and many others come fr a deeply patriarchal where such things as i discuss have no menaing, except as some kind of "perversion" or "rape" or "abberation." i have gone round and round with some of my frnds about this, sometimes w success, sometimes not. for example, with albin kurti -- he is an intellectual and i'm sure not a homophobe. i also came from a patriarchal culture here, and learned better, and so can you and others. we don't have to be enemies or opponents; we can learn from one another.
again, i must stress, when you print all the provocative hate messages here, there are consequences...
thanks
roberto
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REGARDING: The time when all foreign occupiers will be driven from Kosova is now very close.
(Flamur, 11 January 2010 17:40)
Albanian's in large numbers will have to leave Kosovo. 1st, no economy, 2. Serbia will gain control slowly not just of the north, and this will force the radical ones to leave. If u think for one min. that Kosovo is forever lost from Serbia, u are not a rational thinker.
What would a stolen independent muslim state bring to Europe? That's what I thought.
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So please be 'thankful' to us in Western Europe. We are paying to govern your province. So please show us some respect. OK?
(Ron, 11 January 2010 18:54)
Ron, respect is not part of their vocabulary, you should have already understood it by now, fortunately 1244 is there to remind them time to time whom they should obey to...
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Jason, are you old enough to remember 1998/1999? (I can almost, hazily, remember the dinosaurs, myself.) The KLA took on the 4th largest army in Europe with no guarantee from the U.S. or anybody that they would be supported. Clinton got the U.S. to come in by (stupidly) promising that we would not use ground troops - that would be up to the locals. So we ended up with 2 casualties, and the Kosovars with how many? Air power alone was not enough to end the fighting, and diplomacy certainly wasn't. I figure the Kosovars earned their country.
On the other hand, threats against monasteries are just plain stupid.
(Amer, 11 January 2010 21:16)
Amer:
1. Yugoslavian army was in 1999 not 4th largest army in Europe. In 1998-9 Yugoslavian army was badly damaged after wars in Croatia and Bosna and long time embargo. Strongest armies in Europe had: Russia, Germany, UK, France, Spain, Italy, Greece, Turkey, Ukraine, Belorussia, Poland. So - it was mayby 12th in Europe.
2. Iraqi or Afghani rebels started war against FIRST POWER ON EARTH. Without any help.
3. Terrorist strategy and attack against K-Serb civilians and than escape into mountains - it was very "heroic" strategy.
4. "Kosovars" (what is a nation "Kosovars"??) not earned any country. UCK terrorists defeated war. Only US intervention saved them.
5. We remember who burned Patriarchate of Peć in and expelled K-Serbs in 1981. It was same terrorist strategy.
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Albanians here's guys drip feeding you independence fantasy saying you must behave or else. You get it not even drip and crumbs if you dont behave? And good clean anti-Serb fellers too. So why they speak to you Albanians like cocky colonial sheriffs? I see no respect no great admiration like between equal allies. Why is that?
(Tabalija, 12 January 2010 20:44)
Talking about equals. Have you guys begged for warmth to the cocky Eurocrats for this yet? You know this time every year you run out of gas and a few months later out of money. Again before pointing you finger take a look at your own. Your country is in no better position having to beg every year so people don't die out of cold and beg for money so you don't starve out of poverty. It would behoove you that instead of this superiority complex you have towards other ethnicities you direct some of that criticism towards those in Belgrade who are freezing you to death and are keeping you poor. Fix your own house before lecturing others.
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for all the internet-talibs in here: if unisex says no, i´m gonna pay for the first and only bus-ride of the sharia-"judges" into the liberated parts of kosmet ...
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The time when all foreign occupiers will be driven from Kosova is now very close.
(Flamur, 11 January 2010 17:40)
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How do you plant to do that?
Are you going to war against NATO now because they are the occupiers?
(Peggy, 12 January 2010 00:10)
Yes Peggy, that's exactly what I mean. NATO, VJ, MUP - the initials are unimportant for they all spell occupation. Some of our children may still wave American flags but neither Jason's serbophilia nor Roberto homosexual rights are wanted here.
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To respond to a Serb poster here. I wouldn't talk about ENTITLEMENT if I were a Serb. There is a saying " Serbia till Tokyo". That alone expresses the SELF-ENTITLEMENT attitude of the Serbian society. Think about your own before pointing fingers.
Second. Jason it doesn't hurt to educate yourself. If Kosova Albanians were terrorists you'd be seeing buses blown up is Belgrade. Instead what was blown up were police stations and military buildings in Kosova. You know non-civilian institutions. Guerrila war and terrorism are two different things. If you wanna talk about terrorism talk about Srebrenica. Talk about how 60 civilians among them babies 1 year old were killed inside pizzerias. If that is not terrorism in your eyes then you are no better than those who committed such crimes.
Can you name me any occurrence like the pizzeria shooting or anything of the scale of Sreberenica that was committed by Kosova Albanians?
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More dangerous games being played by certain members of the K Albanian leadership. About as likely as Belgrade trying to install a mayor of their own in Pristina.
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in Kosova, just ask Jason. So pardon me for not being thankful to a bunch of thieves and pedophiles with immunity who steal charity money. Vile doesn't describe fairly what I think of EULEX and west EU, close though.
(Bekim, 11 January 2010 19:53)
You don't have to show how viril you are, we know it by now and that is for this very same reason that your reputation in the West is soo bad and with comments like yours will never have any chance to get any better.
Of course you have your hero criminals thaci and co acting like a muppet show trying to flex muscles that they don't have anynmore!
Don't you see it man, the number 1244 is written on every wall whether you like it or nobody is asking you, you wanted an illegal UDI, you got it, but it came with all these strings attached around that makes your pseudo politicians open or close their mouths and move them from right to left!
Welcome to the reality!
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Jason, are you old enough to remember 1998/1999? (I can almost, hazily, remember the dinosaurs, myself.) The KLA took on the 4th largest army in Europe with no guarantee from the U.S. or anybody that they would be supported. Clinton got the U.S. to come in by (stupidly) promising that we would not use ground troops - that would be up to the locals. So we ended up with 2 casualties, and the Kosovars with how many? Air power alone was not enough to end the fighting, and diplomacy certainly wasn't. I figure the Kosovars earned their country.
On the other hand, threats against monasteries are just plain stupid.
(Amer, 11 January 2010 21:16)
Amer, I respectfully disagree... The KLA used terrorist tactics to provoke a response by the 4th largest army in Europe. It is not like they bravely fought a conventional battle and prevailed. They ambushed police and various government workers and terrorized civilians all with the hopes of provoking an excessive use of force. Thachi has stated such in past interviews.
Whether or not they earned what they have is a matter of opinion - we obviously disagree. I cannot accept rewarding terrorism by inferring that the KLA earned anything.
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>In 1999 you were run clear up into the mountains until you were saved by the very people comprising EULEX.
You are like some of the other ungrateful Albanians..
Cicavica aside. I dont understand. In 1999 Eulex wasnt even a filthy thought in William Walkers mind. Why should Albanians be grateful to Eulex?
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>if unisex says no, i´m gonna pay for the first and only bus-ride of the sharia-"judges"
Aha lets all chip in. And then lets all get together and plan a little picnic.
Seriously such a bad idea. For everyone.
In March 2008 good solid message was sent and it keeps them all away. You see how this unspellable feller says it in article, obviously they get it. Personally I dont think we need to send another one but if the other side wants it of course they will have it. One thing is for sure Serbs wont cross Ibar.
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The time when all foreign occupiers will be driven from Kosova is now very close.
(Flamur, 11 January 2010 17:40)
Do you consider yourself, Flamur?
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The Thaci Administration might have to flex a muscle to show these hooligans that this isn't Serbia nor any other place where they can do w/e they want.
(KOSOVARi, 11 January 2010 20:32)
My friend, Kosovo still is part of Serbia!
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People like you have paid 1000 times more to stop the wars that Serbia has started.
Please be thankful to K-Albanians and K-Government for making it possible that peace finally prevails in the region.
(miri, 11 January 2010 19:40)
Well, then please OBEY (!) international law and accept that Kosovo province is still part of Serbia.
That was the deal back in 1999. And as long as there is no mutual agreed deal Kosovo is part of Serbia.
Albanians, please stop 'cheating'. And start playing by the rules!
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Now get the hell out of my country!
(Bekim, 12 January 2010, 21:15)
You sound like a small child having a temper tantrum, man. Grow up a bit, eh?
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Again Jason I don't think you are someone that knows what fortitude is let alone who has it. If we are talking about fortitude of EU nations during WWII I bet we would be having this conversation in german and slavs wouldn't have been part of EU if it weren't for USA a country which we did ask for help. NOT EU! And we have the bodies of thousands of dead to prove that we won it and earned it. As far as churches if you use them in a campaign against Kosova and its freedom and considering that freedom is a zero sum game you can clearly deduce what I think should happen.
(Bekim, 11 January 2010, 18:17)
First of all, it was my country who helped defeat the Germans AND your country... do not try and revise history by pretending Albanians were not Nazi pawns.
Second of all, having dead bodies does not award you victor status. Recall General George Patton who once said something to the effect of,
"No one ever won a war by dying for his country. He won a war by making the other poor SOB die for HIS country."
As your thoughts on destroying churches, it is people like you that caused the violence to reach that level. It is sickening that you can justify it in your own mind.
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i hate people that blow their own trumpet
thanks
roberto
(roberto, 12 January 2010 18:31)
Then you, sir, must be a typical self-loather.
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1. EUrocrats as you call me are here thanks to the TAXPAYERS of EU. You and no one in Kosovo are one of them
2. EU taxpayers are funding the cleanup of this hole called Kosovo because it is in the doorstep of EU and poses security threat, and a hotbed of criminals exported to EU
EU taxpayers can go themselves, we don't need the charity so you can feel "christian" of yourselves
3. It is easier to tackle the beehive than fight the bees spread all over, i.e criminals. That is the logic in the interest of EU.
If that was the case then you should send EULEX in Italy , Romania, Greece and so on and on.
4. You should walk on the street with the proud thought that your people were given a chance to prove that you can stand on your own as a civilised European state.
Huh! You keep saying civilized as if it means something. Civilized germans used to gas people and then burn their bodies after they had removed their golden teeth, of course.
5. This will take lots of time and pain listening to the more experienced and cleverer Eurocrats, I know this is difficult to swallow your pride, but you have to, for the sake of your grandchildrens.
Ah, sanctimony and a patronizing attitude, my favorite. Now get the hell out of my country!
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I don't like this idea of sending Albanian judges from the south to the North. That spells trouble and conflict. Whoever thought that should be fired on the spot. The judges there should be Serb and rightly so, since the majority of those living there are Serbs. Maybe an Albanian judge for the Albanian neighborhood there is sufficient just so that we don't hear anything in the news that an Albanian got punished by Serb judges because he was Albanian. Same thing would happen if the judges there were all Albanian and Serb were sentenced. That is not good for any of the sides.
However I believe that some sort of a deal should be made between the Serb judges in the north and EULEX. Not because of any hopeless wish for Prishtina to have authority over them; but because judges can be corrupted too and EULEX would be in a great position to oversee them and rid the corrupted ones.
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who cashed golden teeth taken from Jews in concentration camps. Shall I go on?And you Jason do tell us which country you hail from that so fought the germans in WWII?
(Bekim, 12 January 2010 01:39)
Hahaha, good point, If you wanted to get me nervous with your comment, you failed because I'm the first one to condemn the role of some of our politicians and companies during the world war II, mostly from the swiss german part...
On the other hand if "we" are so bad, then what are the 180thds or more of your fellow citizens doing in Switzerland..., would love to have your comment on this :)
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Eulex is there only to help partition of kosovo,nothing else.
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Roberto don't worry dude. Every group and nation has people that are on the fringes of society. Us Albanians are no exception. You can see the various mindsets here on B92 both on the Albanian and Serbian side; also on the international side. Don't take anything personally. I myself have been accused of not being Albanian enough too. Whatever that means. Some people love to provoke and some people lack the mental strength and ability to spot and hold provocations when they appear. As a result they go into generalizations, and into personal attacks. I ask you, Jason, Olf, all the other internationals, and all those who post here not to take seriously any provocation or verbal attacks coming from any side be it Serbs or Albanians. Taking such personal verbal attacks, or provocation seriously is nothing but giving credence to the fringes of our respective societies.
I ask you, Jason and all the other internationals, despite the opinion you have on Kosova to continue doing the best job possible and if possible to leave your personal opinions home ,whether they are for us or against us, while you are trying to help the people in Kosova be them Serb or Albanian. Since it is harder for us that have been in the conflict to detach our opinions from our jobs your help as international would be very grateful if there is a detachment of your political views from your technical jobs.
You will always have people that are not happy others, and foreigners, and as you might have seen on B92 posts this is on much higher levels in the Balkans. There are people that no matter what you do to help they will not be happy but will group you with the few that have failed them.
I sincerely ask you and other posters, despite ethnicity here to refrain from personal verbal attacks so that we can continue to have a conversation and discussion that is not only meaningful but also based on reason and not yelling. Different viewpoints on issues when discussed in a reasonable fashion without personal attacks do not bring regress but progress; as such different and opposite viewpoints should be welcome as we all learn where each of us stands on specific issues. We don't have to agree on them. We can have a meaningful discussion if we learn to agree to disagree and not degenerate our conversations into a yelling and personal accusation fest.
P.S I join you on equal rights for the gays, marriage included.
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Well, you see that EULEX is making the decisions in Kosovo.
Time the Albanians accept that Kosovo is *NOT* an independent state!
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We'll treat EULEX like UNMIK. Go along for 5 years, have Vetevendosje! start protesting against it..than slowly start to shun it away.
EULEX, start thinking about heading home. America, we love you and you can stay as long as you want!!
Peace
KOSOVARi
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Bekim,
Having nothing to argue my comment will not entitle you to "pedophile" me.
Probably due to your young age, you discredit yourselves with this tantrum.
Bekim, if you want to be a good patriot, please take a broom and clean your environment first. I have been to Romania and other poor European countries before, but nowhere I experienced this utter carelessness to live on gargabe dumps, parents blowing smoke in their children's face in restaurants and so on. Is this what you are proud of? Or maybe the booming economy, bright eyed honest taxpayers, perhaps your strong army that can defy Serbia and Nato?
Finally to B92.
Please wake up and don't use double standards, if you censor words in my comments "ignorant" to Bekim, and I EXPECT B92 to delete comments amounting to outright personal insults as "pedophile".
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Wow that's all you got from all that I wrote.
(Bekim, 13 January 2010 01:28)
Yes, I did not see anything of any intellectual significance in that entire, rambling diatribe.
Hey, since we will be neighbors soon after I build my cabin up near Gazivode, would you like to come over for a cookout?
Kosovari,
What about Americans in EULEX? Are we still welcome?
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Quote from Flamur (See below) - The time when all foreign occupiers will be driven from Kosova is now very close.
Which foreign occupiers - US, EU, Albanians?!
As you cannot spell Kosovo properly, I suppose you also include Serbs in your generalisation?
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>The KLA took on the 4th largest army in Europe with no guarantee from the U.S. or anybody that they would be supported.....
Leave the nonsense for someone who doesnt know you and yours Alban. Ovk or Uck terrorists were trained and financed by west since 96 at least. Milosevic's fault alone he didnt squash them there and then like bugs they are. Our fault we didnt squash Milosevic when we saw he was letting terrorists carry on. 99 aggression on Serbia was illegal and unprovoked and just postponed from 98. Nothing to do with what we did or didnt do.
Theres bunch of criminals sitting in many armies and governments all over west now or maybe retired. Lot of good they did for their countries though? Whats body count made by that mentality in Iraq and Afghanistan now? I bet it's painfully painfully high.
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This is the reason why EULEX must leave. Some war criminals and rapists are holding Kosova justice hostage and EULEX is not doing anything.
(Bekim, 11 January 2010 15:13)
Bekim, there is a concise saying that applies here too.
"We just dont poop at the place where we go eat"
Another witty one: "Never bite the hand that feeds you"
Think about that before sending EULEX away. This goes out to Pejoni as well.
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If you believe that your internet advocacy earns you the right to peddle to the supposedly grateful beneficiaries of your vital support, I suggest you restrain yourself to lecturing your Bosnian friends, more used as they are to a toxic foreign presence, about the "evils" of paternalism. Your message of perversion will never be welcome in Kosova. I am only pleased that you have exposed yourself here so that decent Albanian parents can be aware of your agenda and respond appropriately.
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Bekim
Some light to shed on your mind:
1. EUrocrats as you call me are here thanks to the TAXPAYERS of EU. You and no one in Kosovo are one of them
2. EU taxpayers are funding the cleanup of this hole called Kosovo because it is in the doorstep of EU and poses security threat, and a hotbed of criminals exported to EU
3. It is easier to tackle the beehive than fight the bees spread all over, i.e criminals. That is the logic in the interest of EU.
4. You should walk on the street with the proud thought that your people were given a chance to prove that you can stand on your own as a civilised European state.
5. This will take lots of time and pain listening to the more experienced and cleverer Eurocrats, I know this is difficult to swallow your pride, but you have to, for the sake of your grandchildrens.
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Now get the hell out of my country!
(Bekim, 12 January 2010 21:15)
You mean the UN governed Serbian province of Kosovo?
That is not a country. That is a PROVINCE!
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I haven't been for a while on this site, but how Jason put it in couple of sentences - it summarize it all great from inside out - all true, can't say it better - it hurts but can't say it straight to the point in very polite way - and shouldn't try.
I posted same thing year ago - "Albanians hasn't earn independence - they don't deserve it - UDI are forced on them by WEST - for different political reasons(Bondsteel, to please Muslim countires at times-Clinton, to get foot in Balkans - to balance against Russia etc.)
Again all true to toothless threats against Serbian Army - again first gunshot without NATO or EULEX in Kosovo - the shortest and fastest run to the mountains - AJMO(BJEZMO) SVI U PLANINE.
But also I said before:doing politics last 20 years and handle Kosovo -Serbia and Serbian politicians don't deserve Kosovo either.
So, must be forced talks on both sides for compromise, reconciliations, peace and EU integrations.
Jason, thanks one more time.
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It doesnt matter one bit but in the end you'll open your eyes and see they think they're ENTITLED. To you. Also to Kosovo, half of Macedonia and Montenegro and Presevo valley up to and including Nis. And a bit of northern Greece. Your country could not choose worse clans to support and I know your country supported Taliban also. In the end everyone will see they are even worse choice. The thing will mutate more no matter what any sane person tries to stop it. Many sane people saw it from the start thats why your country bribes threatens begs for recognitions and fails so much.
Now I'm serious. I know you guys get threats from Albanians for all kinds not just political reasons or when they think you dont hate Serbs enough. Like you know you dont have to like us we wont like you but we wont threaten you. Albanian threats if you get them take seriously and take care of yourself.
(Tabalija, 11 January 2010 23:48)
All true aside from the last bit, Tabalija. I do like the Serbian People a great deal, and I have many fine friends and been to many a slava in places ranging from Gracanica to Kolasin. I am ashamed of my country's foreign policy to be honest, and ashamed of the what has happened here. For the most part, Serbs here have not taken out my country's politics out on me, and for that I am grateful.
Do remember that some of us in America support Serbs and Serbia.
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Roberto, a single deluded imperalist is less harmful than one who seeks to export to corrupt our children. If you were in Podujevo as you claim, you will have seen that there is no homosexuality there, nor any desire to see foreigners introduce such practices. If you believe it is everywhere, where are the naked homosexuals parading through Prishtina? Only in your dreams, it would appear.
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It's all nice and toasty warm here in Belgrade at the moment, mate. No power cuts or anything - sweet.
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(Amer, 12 January 2010 20:56)
Amer - when UCk started their terrorist attacks - in Kosovo were only small army units. So - bandits can have their own "big victories". But after 3rd Army units comes into province - they were crushed and escaped into mountains or to Albania.
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The time when all foreign occupiers will be driven from Kosova is now very close.
(Flamur, 11 January 2010 17:40)
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How do you plant to do that?
Are you going to war against NATO now because they are the occupiers?
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"Yes Peggy, that's exactly what I mean. NATO, VJ, MUP - the initials are unimportant for they all spell occupation. Some of our children may still wave American flags but neither Jason's serbophilia nor Roberto homosexual rights are wanted here.
(Flamur, 12 January 2010 13:08) "
I dare you to tell this straight to Obama, Clinton and Biden!
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Second. Jason it doesn't hurt to educate yourself. If Kosova Albanians were terrorists you'd be seeing buses blown up is Belgrade. Instead what was blown up were police stations and military buildings in Kosova. You know non-civilian institutions. Guerrila war and terrorism are two different things. If you wanna talk about terrorism talk about Srebrenica. Talk about how 60 civilians among them babies 1 year old were killed inside pizzerias. If that is not terrorism in your eyes then you are no better than those who committed such crimes.
Can you name me any occurrence like the pizzeria shooting or anything of the scale of Sreberenica that was committed by Kosova Albanians?
(johny, 12 January 2010 18:28)
Johny,
Yes there is a difference between terrorism and guerrilla warfare. I have no doubt you know about these differences and it is clear that you are educated on this subject. You know the saying, "one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter."
There are hundreds of incidents predating the war and well after it (which are the most heinous since Kosovo was under NATO occupation) where Serb civilians were killed in terrorist violence. The children gunned down while swimming in Gorazdevac, the 12 farmers gunned while working their fields down near Lipljan, the car bombing of the last Serbian official to work in Pristina back in 2001 - the guy worked in the passport office, hardly a military threat - the Nis bus bombing... and I can keep going with hundreds of systematic murders of Serb civilians in 1998 and 1999...
I do not minimize civilian losses in Bosnia at all, but I still think that there was plenty of terrorism committed here by the KLA and denying it seems to be dishonest to me.
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(Hruz, 12 January 2010 15:27)
Albanians here's guys drip feeding you independence fantasy saying you must behave or else. You get it not even drip and crumbs if you dont behave? And good clean anti-Serb fellers too. So why they speak to you Albanians like cocky colonial sheriffs? I see no respect no great admiration like between equal allies. Why is that?
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"1. Yugoslavian army was in 1999 not 4th largest army in Europe. ..."
I shouldn't have put a number on its relative size, you're right. On the other hand, Serbia had armament factories, trained and experienced officers, tanks and heavy equipment ... It was still massively more than the Kosovars had.
"2. Iraqi or Afghani rebels started war against FIRST POWER ON EARTH. Without any help."
Who ever said they were cowards?
"3. Terrorist strategy and attack against K-Serb civilians and than escape into mountains - it was very "heroic" strategy."
Their targets were mainly military and police forces. Of course they escaped to the mountains! Didn't the partisans escape after an attack?
"4. ... Only US intervention saved them."
As only the French, perhaps, saved us in 1781: "Yorktown - This was the last major battle of the Revolutionary War, occurring in 1781 ... The war might not have ended had the French navy not cut the British army off from its supplies (after a rare event, a victory of the French navy over the British). It effectively ended the war and made George Washington a legend to this day." http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/273253/key_battles_in_american_history_from.html BTW, the first portrait to be hung in the Capitol Building in D.C. was of Lafayette - we knew who we owed.
"5. We remember who burned Patriarchate of Peć in and expelled K-Serbs in 1981. It was same terrorist strategy."
Always a bad idea to go after your enemy's religious buildings, granted, but this wasn't the KLA in 1981.
(Milan, 12 January 2010 12:16)
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Now get the hell out of my country!
(Bekim, 12 January 2010, 21:15)
You sound like a small child having a temper tantrum, man. Grow up a bit, eh?
(Jason, 12 January 2010 22:24)
Wow that's all you got from all that I wrote.
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>They should be grateful for other people to fight their battles
(Jason,
It doesnt matter one bit but in the end you'll open your eyes and see they think they're ENTITLED. To you. Also to Kosovo, half of Macedonia and Montenegro and Presevo valley up to and including Nis. And a bit of northern Greece. Your country could not choose worse clans to support and I know your country supported Taliban also. In the end everyone will see they are even worse choice. The thing will mutate more no matter what any sane person tries to stop it. Many sane people saw it from the start thats why your country bribes threatens begs for recognitions and fails so much.
Now I'm serious. I know you guys get threats from Albanians for all kinds not just political reasons or when they think you dont hate Serbs enough. Like you know you dont have to like us we wont like you but we wont threaten you. Albanian threats if you get them take seriously and take care of yourself.
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'i can understand it about foreigners (or anyone) that profits off of other's misery, but you have no right to lump me in w/such types. ever.'
Roberto, like it or not, you're an American before anything else to most non-Americans, and should expect to be lumped in with the rest of us. Face it - wouldn't you begin to resent foreigners (even Canadians!) who moved into the U.S. in force to tell us how to run our government, our economy, our society? Eventually the time comes for even invited guests to leave.
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Johny,
Well written and moderate post, man. I think I had you wrong before... Cheers.
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Jason I didnt say Serbs disliked you, I dont know that, I said when generally we dislike someone.. we dont threaten to obliterate their entire family in blood feud and so on.
Now you hinted you work for Eulex. If you do this applies. Eulex is violating mandate approved by Un, its not status neutral and it works against vital insterests of the state of Serbia therefore. I work to help vital and all other interests of the state of Serbia. So we have clash. And its not about what someone says but what they do. If someone works for Eulex and for example to make illegal parallel ahtisari municipality in north KM no amount of slava going will make them friend of Serbs. Although I believe you think what you say, but its irrelevant. Albanians shout at you for no reason. You work for their interest and they wont even let you be a little arrogant and push them around and have your own opinion in your free time.
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