Nice emotional manipulation, the last paragraph of the article, completely unrelated to the Kosovo trip, but it shows the reader "where this naughty Croatian man belongs".
You knew that calling someone love has a good chance of causing offence! Even in Yorkshire some women would pull you up and say they are not your love. It rather depends on who is saying it and in what context. In a political discussion it is not likely to be used in Yorkshire or anywhere, is it?
It was, in fact, condescending. Whether you intended that or not is something else - I know what I think.
(Mister, 10 January 2010 19:35)
Thank you for clearing that up.
Given my history with Ian UK, we all know how he meant it. I could just hear the tone in his voice when he said "love".
Poor Mesic, he's under the unfortunate impression that anyone of consequence even cares what he thinks -- only the poor Albanians care and it's nothing personal, Stjepan -- like an ugly girl, they'll droolingly fawn all over anyone who give them the tiniest bit of attention.
"Peggy, you are obviously not familiar with the Yorkshire Dialect of English. The term "love" can be used to refer to anyone in a kind polite way, especially from the cities of Leeds, Bradford, Wakefield and Sheffield. If you find it insulting I'm sorry. Not intentional. "
Ian,
You knew that calling someone love has a good chance of causing offence! Even in Yorkshire some women would pull you up and say they are not your love. It rather depends on who is saying it and in what context. In a political discussion it is not likely to be used in Yorkshire or anywhere, is it?
It was, in fact, condescending. Whether you intended that or not is something else - I know what I think.
Albanians in Kosovo... You give out "honourary" cheap medals and erect tacky statues to any joe who will give you the time of day. Kosovo is part of Serbia, and your insecurities about this make you do the most ridiculous things. You look like a bunch of clowns with your worthless "honours." Serbia, best of luck to you.
Yes, the Kosovo Declaration of Independence specifically recognizes it:
"We welcome the international community's continued support of our democratic development through international presences established in Kosovo on the basis of UN Security Council Resolution 1244 (1999)."
(Amer, 9 January 2010 15:44)
...say the Albanian chicken thiefes from Pristina,but not the UN Security Council and thats why Kosovo de jure is still Serbia,
no matter whether you like it or not,whether Mesic comes or goes,or your drug smugglers get arrested or not...
Love is used as a demeaning word if used by someone who is not exactly your friend and you know that as well. You're not talking to someone who isn't aware of the English system. Australia is very close to it still.
(Peggy, 9 January 2010 00:18)
Peggy, you are obviously not familiar with the Yorkshire Dialect of English. The term "love" can be used to refer to anyone in a kind polite way, especially from the cities of Leeds, Bradford, Wakefield and Sheffield. If you find it insulting I'm sorry. Not intentional.
Also Mesic was originally meant to visit on the 7th, but changed it to the 8th cos' Belgrade complained
'UN 1244 which says [Kosovo] is part of Serbia is still in place.
(CG, 8 January 2010 20:52) '
Yes, the Kosovo Declaration of Independence specifically recognizes it:
"We welcome the international community's continued support of our democratic development through international presences established in Kosovo on the basis of UN Security Council Resolution 1244 (1999)."
In North America we have a rare saying known as "party hearty" so my point is that the more recognitions Kosovo receives and especially in the event Kosovo is officially declared a sovereign entity than pro-independence Albanians should "party hearty!" Besides what a sight to see when it comes to Albanians rejoicing with much fanfare & jubilance.Incidentally it's good to know that one of my sisters rsides in a country recognizing Kosovo's independence which is United States.
Lenard 'Serbs can deny it but it is their never the less with its own institutions and its going on with out Serbia if they like it or not.'
In that case lenard why don't you recognise the increasing reality of Republika Srpska?
Oh, I see, you support the reality in one case and you change your mind on another. So much for your lecture...
Mesić's trip to Kosovo today did not provoke much interest of the Croatian public:b92
But sure did bring to Serbian government who can't do anything about it.
You might advise the Vatican not to waste its time currying favor from the Russian Orthodox Church. The Pope is going full speed trying to repair relations with the eastern Christians. Its not the first time that the smaller issues such as Croats are sacrificed for the greater good. Read about Pope John Paul 2 treatment of Bishop Oscar Romero of El Salvador, then went to pray on his grave after his assignation – remember all for the greater good.
I'm sure Ian didn't insult you.
Here in the UK you can call someone love and is not taken as an insult.
I hope you understand that.
(Whatever you say, 8 January 2010 18:26)
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I have heard the expression here in Australia many times too as we are closer to the Brits than anyone else but rest assured it all depends on who says it to whom.
Don't think you can teach me something here.
Love is used as a demeaning word if used by someone who is not exactly your friend and you know that as well. You're not talking to someone who isn't aware of the English system. Australia is very close to it still.
How do people think the Byzantian empire was destroyed? They aksed the Pope for help and the Pope refused because he saw Byzentium as a challange to his rule. Even today the Catholic church will on any day of the week favor Catholics and even Jews over Orthodox Christians. In general it will not favor Mulsims over Christians but exceptions can certanly be made when it would strenghten the power of the Pope in relation the the leaders of the Orthodox Chruch. Although the conflict in Kosovo is not really of a religious nature it is more about different ethnicities and national identies between the regions Albanian and Serbian inhabitants which have been soured through Belgrade's foolish and discriminatory policies over the centuries.
Why don't you proclaim independence if you feel like it and see what happens, Krajina RS, whatever?
Do you think it will do you any good?
(miri, 8 January 2010 15:46)
If I remember - when Serbian Krajina declared independence - it was for Croats bad. But If Kosovo doing same - it's good. Amnesia????
The truth is that no Christian nation and no Christian can recognize Kosovo independence which allows a Muslim government nation to emerge in Europe from the ashes of destroyed Serbian Christian territory.
Everyone should recognize Kosovo, says Mesić. Even Serbs recognize Kosovo try to cross the border and tell the guards I do not recognize Kosovo. Or your just a figment of imagination and see how far you get. Serbs can deny it but it is their never the less with its own institutions and its going on with out Serbia if they like it or not.
Mesic is a president of a country that is not relevant to the process.
So,frankly,Serbs shouldn`t care too much what he says.
The reality is that our southern rovince is blocked everywhere and UN 1244 which says it is part of Serbia is still in place.
While speaking about the war in Croatia that broke out in 1991, Mesić said that "Croatians will never forget the contribution of the citizens of Kosovo".
Long Live Rahim Ademi, Agim Ceku, and all Albanian professionals who fought the Serbs in Croatia! I have great respect for these courageous and brave men.
The medals are getting very cheap....
(The Swiss, 8 January 2010 18:04)
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I'm surprised they didn't hand out one of those honourary doctorates from Pristina University.
When will Serb citizen wake to the reality and see that that trying to ethnically cleans an area of over two million people and so fail does not have any consequences? Remember that Kosova will is not receiving aid from IMF but is actually paying back loans which the the great serbian leader Milosevic took only to waste it!
This will be the first in a strings of foreign officials coming to visit, and believe sooner rather than later Serbia will begin we wake up and see that every action has a reaction. See you in the EU!
I agree with you Peggy love, it was no coincidence. He had to use this date because if he was to do it a month or two later it'd be rather pointless as he would no longer be the Croatian President.
(Ian, UK, 8 January 2010 14:06)
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Don't you ever insult me like that again. I am not your love.
I'm sure he would still be the president a day later.
(Peggy, 8 January 2010 14:55)
I'm sure Ian didn't insult you.
Here in the UK you can call someone love and is not taken as an insult.
I hope you understand that.
Mesic is an ardent supporter of Kosovo's statehood and he is a founding father. Much respect to our honorable friend and may he enjoy himself in the beautiful Kosovo.
Billboards with Mesic's pictures all over the place?
Despite his heavy make-over for such a festive occasion (although he might want to use hair color several shades darker; he is still red "kak lisica")he is not something that one would like to rest his eyes on. I am afraid this will result in many months of nightmares in small children, requiring frequent changes of bed linens - what do the kids know about political circuses? Have a respect for the innocent!
As this issue is none of Croatia's business I wonder if the EU have anything to say to Croatia about it's "good neighbourly relations" with regards to Serbia. My guess is that they'll keep silent on the subject, but if the situation were reversed I'm sure the Germans would be hammering down Tadic's door to give him a good dressing down.
I dont know why the Serbs on this site are suprised at this incident?croata has massacred Serbians with prodding from their so called church, so, why wouldnt this delusional man take an opportunity to stick a finger in every Serbians eye on his way out of office.Who knows what kind of deal he was offered by thaci 'the snake" and his american masters to take part in this performance? God bless serbia.
Next time any Serb wants to spend their money on a Croatian vacation, remember Mesic's dispicable anti-Serb actions, remember a full Maksimir stadium in black shirts doing the sieg heil at a Thompson concert, remember the handball tournament there and the Zadar mayor's comments, remember Operation Storm...the list is too long to write here. Let's not be naive, and let's not be like Mesic's abused Serb wife and go back for more punishment.
These people have a serious complex and are jealous of Serbs, and let's not pretend they are our friends, and let's not support them one bit - full boycott on Croatia and everything Croatian by every Serb citizen - that is the only way to deal with these people.
As for Kosovo, it is Serbian, and always will be Serbian, and it must hurt Mesic that he can do nothing about that.
Cheers!!
Is it just me or does anyone else think that the decision to use this date was no coincidence?
(Peggy, 8 January 2010 11:11)
I agree with you Peggy love, it was no coincidence. He had to use this date because if he was to do it a month or two later it'd be rather pointless as he would no longer be the Croatian President.
I agree with you Peggy love, it was no coincidence. He had to use this date because if he was to do it a month or two later it'd be rather pointless as he would no longer be the Croatian President.
(Ian, UK, 8 January 2010 14:06)
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Don't you ever insult me like that again. I am not your love.
I'm sure he would still be the president a day later.
"I dont know whats sicker: Mesic having a Serb wife despite being an ardent Serbophobic OR his Serb wife for marrying this neurotic hateful man, who licked Tudjman's boots despite Tudjman having thanked god that he wasnt married to a Serb or Jew like Mesic. I guess Stipe will have to sit by in retirement as Krajina spends this decade regaining autonomy.
(highduke, 8 January 2010 12:15)"
This is possibly one of the most worrying posts I have seen. What did his wife do to deserve being called sick? Was she unpatriotic?
guys - relax ... hot air or no hot air - we are on our own - taking care of things and not worried about being murdered by serbia army and police. those days are over.
Don't worry about croatian-made skyscraper in Pristina, all the needed infrastructure has been settled and Konstruktor (in which my oncle serves as engineer) is only waiting the cold weather to end in order to begin with the first floors.
I've been once in Kosovo when I was a child and the less I can say is that it looks far better now than under Milosevic's prosperous era....
And as to relations with Serbia, we don't need them thanks. We don't need your few poor tourists, we're just happy with americans, british, russians, french,....... and of course germans and austrians.
BTW, I really wonder what Kosovo should benefit from being again part of such a bankrupted country which survives through IMF and EU aid...
hahaha this is so disgusting, they do this just to irritate Serbs and I just want to say that I hope Serbia never ever becomes friendly with, these games- (Serb Krajina stays Croatian, Kosovo being backed by "best" friend Croatia) will not stop and I really hope Serbia gets some kind of redemption! They have suffered enough and I think that Serbia will keep suffer as long as USA is worshipped by Kosovo and Croatia has better stance with EU=The international community closing their eyes towards Serbs! Serbs have been part of a centuries long holocaust and I think it should stop now. The Greeks support you!
I dont know whats sicker: Mesic having a Serb wife despite being an ardent Serbophobic OR his Serb wife for marrying this neurotic hateful man, who licked Tudjman's boots despite Tudjman having thanked god that he wasnt married to a Serb or Jew like Mesic. I guess Stipe will have to sit by in retirement as Krajina spends this decade regaining autonomy.
“Media are saying that Priština has been decorated with flags of Kosovo and Croatia in honor of Mesić’s arrival, while billboards with his picture have been placed at the main intersections.
Observers point out that "Priština did its best to welcome the Croatian president more ceremonially that any other state official from the region".
“On January 7, just a day ahead of his visit to Kosovo, the Croatian president decided to reduce by one year the sentence handed down to a former member of Croatian police Siniša Rimac by one year.”
Is it just me or does anyone else think that the decision to use this date was no coincidence?
On January 7, just a day ahead of his visit to Kosovo, the Croatian president decided to reduce by one year the sentence handed down to a former member of Croatian police Siniša Rimac by one year.
Rimac is a convicted murderer of ethic Serb civilians, who committed his crimes during the war in 1991.
--
This is a pretty disgusting act. It just goes to show that Croatia has no interest in improving relations with Serbia. This will come back to haunt them soon enough.
So what ever happened to that sky scraper being built in Kosovo? I assume it was just hot air like everything else coming from Pristina. Since independence is irreversibly blocked they can only vent their frustrations through further provocations.
I am glad that we at least continue to offer negotiations and a path to lasting peace and prosperity. It's a shame Croatians and ethnic Albanians are blinded by hatred and nationalism. I wonder how long the West will continue to bankroll that attitude?
On January 7, just a day ahead of his visit to Kosovo, the Croatian president decided to reduce by one year the sentence handed down to a former member of Croatian police Siniša Rimac by one year.
Rimac is a convicted murderer of ethic Serb civilians, who committed his crimes during the war in 1991.
--
This is a pretty disgusting act. It just goes to show that Croatia has no interest in improving relations with Serbia. This will come back to haunt them soon enough.
So what ever happened to that sky scraper being built in Kosovo? I assume it was just hot air like everything else coming from Pristina. Since independence is irreversibly blocked they can only vent their frustrations through further provocations.
I am glad that we at least continue to offer negotiations and a path to lasting peace and prosperity. It's a shame Croatians and ethnic Albanians are blinded by hatred and nationalism. I wonder how long the West will continue to bankroll that attitude?
“Media are saying that Priština has been decorated with flags of Kosovo and Croatia in honor of Mesić’s arrival, while billboards with his picture have been placed at the main intersections.
Observers point out that "Priština did its best to welcome the Croatian president more ceremonially that any other state official from the region".
“On January 7, just a day ahead of his visit to Kosovo, the Croatian president decided to reduce by one year the sentence handed down to a former member of Croatian police Siniša Rimac by one year.”
Is it just me or does anyone else think that the decision to use this date was no coincidence?
I dont know whats sicker: Mesic having a Serb wife despite being an ardent Serbophobic OR his Serb wife for marrying this neurotic hateful man, who licked Tudjman's boots despite Tudjman having thanked god that he wasnt married to a Serb or Jew like Mesic. I guess Stipe will have to sit by in retirement as Krajina spends this decade regaining autonomy.
Mesic is an ardent supporter of Kosovo's statehood and he is a founding father. Much respect to our honorable friend and may he enjoy himself in the beautiful Kosovo.
Don't worry about croatian-made skyscraper in Pristina, all the needed infrastructure has been settled and Konstruktor (in which my oncle serves as engineer) is only waiting the cold weather to end in order to begin with the first floors.
I've been once in Kosovo when I was a child and the less I can say is that it looks far better now than under Milosevic's prosperous era....
And as to relations with Serbia, we don't need them thanks. We don't need your few poor tourists, we're just happy with americans, british, russians, french,....... and of course germans and austrians.
BTW, I really wonder what Kosovo should benefit from being again part of such a bankrupted country which survives through IMF and EU aid...
Next time any Serb wants to spend their money on a Croatian vacation, remember Mesic's dispicable anti-Serb actions, remember a full Maksimir stadium in black shirts doing the sieg heil at a Thompson concert, remember the handball tournament there and the Zadar mayor's comments, remember Operation Storm...the list is too long to write here. Let's not be naive, and let's not be like Mesic's abused Serb wife and go back for more punishment.
These people have a serious complex and are jealous of Serbs, and let's not pretend they are our friends, and let's not support them one bit - full boycott on Croatia and everything Croatian by every Serb citizen - that is the only way to deal with these people.
As for Kosovo, it is Serbian, and always will be Serbian, and it must hurt Mesic that he can do nothing about that.
Cheers!!
I dont know why the Serbs on this site are suprised at this incident?croata has massacred Serbians with prodding from their so called church, so, why wouldnt this delusional man take an opportunity to stick a finger in every Serbians eye on his way out of office.Who knows what kind of deal he was offered by thaci 'the snake" and his american masters to take part in this performance? God bless serbia.
I agree with you Peggy love, it was no coincidence. He had to use this date because if he was to do it a month or two later it'd be rather pointless as he would no longer be the Croatian President.
(Ian, UK, 8 January 2010 14:06)
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Don't you ever insult me like that again. I am not your love.
I'm sure he would still be the president a day later.
hahaha this is so disgusting, they do this just to irritate Serbs and I just want to say that I hope Serbia never ever becomes friendly with, these games- (Serb Krajina stays Croatian, Kosovo being backed by "best" friend Croatia) will not stop and I really hope Serbia gets some kind of redemption! They have suffered enough and I think that Serbia will keep suffer as long as USA is worshipped by Kosovo and Croatia has better stance with EU=The international community closing their eyes towards Serbs! Serbs have been part of a centuries long holocaust and I think it should stop now. The Greeks support you!
As this issue is none of Croatia's business I wonder if the EU have anything to say to Croatia about it's "good neighbourly relations" with regards to Serbia. My guess is that they'll keep silent on the subject, but if the situation were reversed I'm sure the Germans would be hammering down Tadic's door to give him a good dressing down.
While speaking about the war in Croatia that broke out in 1991, Mesić said that "Croatians will never forget the contribution of the citizens of Kosovo".
Long Live Rahim Ademi, Agim Ceku, and all Albanian professionals who fought the Serbs in Croatia! I have great respect for these courageous and brave men.
Is it just me or does anyone else think that the decision to use this date was no coincidence?
(Peggy, 8 January 2010 11:11)
I agree with you Peggy love, it was no coincidence. He had to use this date because if he was to do it a month or two later it'd be rather pointless as he would no longer be the Croatian President.
"I dont know whats sicker: Mesic having a Serb wife despite being an ardent Serbophobic OR his Serb wife for marrying this neurotic hateful man, who licked Tudjman's boots despite Tudjman having thanked god that he wasnt married to a Serb or Jew like Mesic. I guess Stipe will have to sit by in retirement as Krajina spends this decade regaining autonomy.
(highduke, 8 January 2010 12:15)"
This is possibly one of the most worrying posts I have seen. What did his wife do to deserve being called sick? Was she unpatriotic?
The medals are getting very cheap....
(The Swiss, 8 January 2010 18:04)
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I'm surprised they didn't hand out one of those honourary doctorates from Pristina University.
I agree with you Peggy love, it was no coincidence. He had to use this date because if he was to do it a month or two later it'd be rather pointless as he would no longer be the Croatian President.
(Ian, UK, 8 January 2010 14:06)
===…==
Don't you ever insult me like that again. I am not your love.
I'm sure he would still be the president a day later.
(Peggy, 8 January 2010 14:55)
I'm sure Ian didn't insult you.
Here in the UK you can call someone love and is not taken as an insult.
I hope you understand that.
When will Serb citizen wake to the reality and see that that trying to ethnically cleans an area of over two million people and so fail does not have any consequences? Remember that Kosova will is not receiving aid from IMF but is actually paying back loans which the the great serbian leader Milosevic took only to waste it!
This will be the first in a strings of foreign officials coming to visit, and believe sooner rather than later Serbia will begin we wake up and see that every action has a reaction. See you in the EU!
The truth is that no Christian nation and no Christian can recognize Kosovo independence which allows a Muslim government nation to emerge in Europe from the ashes of destroyed Serbian Christian territory.
guys - relax ... hot air or no hot air - we are on our own - taking care of things and not worried about being murdered by serbia army and police. those days are over.
Billboards with Mesic's pictures all over the place?
Despite his heavy make-over for such a festive occasion (although he might want to use hair color several shades darker; he is still red "kak lisica")he is not something that one would like to rest his eyes on. I am afraid this will result in many months of nightmares in small children, requiring frequent changes of bed linens - what do the kids know about political circuses? Have a respect for the innocent!
Mesic is a president of a country that is not relevant to the process.
So,frankly,Serbs shouldn`t care too much what he says.
The reality is that our southern rovince is blocked everywhere and UN 1244 which says it is part of Serbia is still in place.
Why don't you proclaim independence if you feel like it and see what happens, Krajina RS, whatever?
Do you think it will do you any good?
(miri, 8 January 2010 15:46)
If I remember - when Serbian Krajina declared independence - it was for Croats bad. But If Kosovo doing same - it's good. Amnesia????
I'm sure Ian didn't insult you.
Here in the UK you can call someone love and is not taken as an insult.
I hope you understand that.
(Whatever you say, 8 January 2010 18:26)
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I have heard the expression here in Australia many times too as we are closer to the Brits than anyone else but rest assured it all depends on who says it to whom.
Don't think you can teach me something here.
Love is used as a demeaning word if used by someone who is not exactly your friend and you know that as well. You're not talking to someone who isn't aware of the English system. Australia is very close to it still.
Lenard 'Serbs can deny it but it is their never the less with its own institutions and its going on with out Serbia if they like it or not.'
In that case lenard why don't you recognise the increasing reality of Republika Srpska?
Oh, I see, you support the reality in one case and you change your mind on another. So much for your lecture...
How do people think the Byzantian empire was destroyed? They aksed the Pope for help and the Pope refused because he saw Byzentium as a challange to his rule. Even today the Catholic church will on any day of the week favor Catholics and even Jews over Orthodox Christians. In general it will not favor Mulsims over Christians but exceptions can certanly be made when it would strenghten the power of the Pope in relation the the leaders of the Orthodox Chruch. Although the conflict in Kosovo is not really of a religious nature it is more about different ethnicities and national identies between the regions Albanian and Serbian inhabitants which have been soured through Belgrade's foolish and discriminatory policies over the centuries.
Mesić's trip to Kosovo today did not provoke much interest of the Croatian public:b92
But sure did bring to Serbian government who can't do anything about it.
Love is used as a demeaning word if used by someone who is not exactly your friend and you know that as well. You're not talking to someone who isn't aware of the English system. Australia is very close to it still.
(Peggy, 9 January 2010 00:18)
Peggy, you are obviously not familiar with the Yorkshire Dialect of English. The term "love" can be used to refer to anyone in a kind polite way, especially from the cities of Leeds, Bradford, Wakefield and Sheffield. If you find it insulting I'm sorry. Not intentional.
Also Mesic was originally meant to visit on the 7th, but changed it to the 8th cos' Belgrade complained
Everyone should recognize Kosovo, says Mesić. Even Serbs recognize Kosovo try to cross the border and tell the guards I do not recognize Kosovo. Or your just a figment of imagination and see how far you get. Serbs can deny it but it is their never the less with its own institutions and its going on with out Serbia if they like it or not.
Yes, the Kosovo Declaration of Independence specifically recognizes it:
"We welcome the international community's continued support of our democratic development through international presences established in Kosovo on the basis of UN Security Council Resolution 1244 (1999)."
(Amer, 9 January 2010 15:44)
...say the Albanian chicken thiefes from Pristina,but not the UN Security Council and thats why Kosovo de jure is still Serbia,
no matter whether you like it or not,whether Mesic comes or goes,or your drug smugglers get arrested or not...
Albanians in Kosovo... You give out "honourary" cheap medals and erect tacky statues to any joe who will give you the time of day. Kosovo is part of Serbia, and your insecurities about this make you do the most ridiculous things. You look like a bunch of clowns with your worthless "honours." Serbia, best of luck to you.
You might advise the Vatican not to waste its time currying favor from the Russian Orthodox Church. The Pope is going full speed trying to repair relations with the eastern Christians. Its not the first time that the smaller issues such as Croats are sacrificed for the greater good. Read about Pope John Paul 2 treatment of Bishop Oscar Romero of El Salvador, then went to pray on his grave after his assignation – remember all for the greater good.
"Peggy, you are obviously not familiar with the Yorkshire Dialect of English. The term "love" can be used to refer to anyone in a kind polite way, especially from the cities of Leeds, Bradford, Wakefield and Sheffield. If you find it insulting I'm sorry. Not intentional. "
Ian,
You knew that calling someone love has a good chance of causing offence! Even in Yorkshire some women would pull you up and say they are not your love. It rather depends on who is saying it and in what context. In a political discussion it is not likely to be used in Yorkshire or anywhere, is it?
It was, in fact, condescending. Whether you intended that or not is something else - I know what I think.
'UN 1244 which says [Kosovo] is part of Serbia is still in place.
(CG, 8 January 2010 20:52) '
Yes, the Kosovo Declaration of Independence specifically recognizes it:
"We welcome the international community's continued support of our democratic development through international presences established in Kosovo on the basis of UN Security Council Resolution 1244 (1999)."
In North America we have a rare saying known as "party hearty" so my point is that the more recognitions Kosovo receives and especially in the event Kosovo is officially declared a sovereign entity than pro-independence Albanians should "party hearty!" Besides what a sight to see when it comes to Albanians rejoicing with much fanfare & jubilance.Incidentally it's good to know that one of my sisters rsides in a country recognizing Kosovo's independence which is United States.
Nice emotional manipulation, the last paragraph of the article, completely unrelated to the Kosovo trip, but it shows the reader "where this naughty Croatian man belongs".
Poor Mesic, he's under the unfortunate impression that anyone of consequence even cares what he thinks -- only the poor Albanians care and it's nothing personal, Stjepan -- like an ugly girl, they'll droolingly fawn all over anyone who give them the tiniest bit of attention.
You knew that calling someone love has a good chance of causing offence! Even in Yorkshire some women would pull you up and say they are not your love. It rather depends on who is saying it and in what context. In a political discussion it is not likely to be used in Yorkshire or anywhere, is it?
It was, in fact, condescending. Whether you intended that or not is something else - I know what I think.
(Mister, 10 January 2010 19:35)
Thank you for clearing that up.
Given my history with Ian UK, we all know how he meant it. I could just hear the tone in his voice when he said "love".
On January 7, just a day ahead of his visit to Kosovo, the Croatian president decided to reduce by one year the sentence handed down to a former member of Croatian police Siniša Rimac by one year.
Rimac is a convicted murderer of ethic Serb civilians, who committed his crimes during the war in 1991.
--
This is a pretty disgusting act. It just goes to show that Croatia has no interest in improving relations with Serbia. This will come back to haunt them soon enough.
So what ever happened to that sky scraper being built in Kosovo? I assume it was just hot air like everything else coming from Pristina. Since independence is irreversibly blocked they can only vent their frustrations through further provocations.
I am glad that we at least continue to offer negotiations and a path to lasting peace and prosperity. It's a shame Croatians and ethnic Albanians are blinded by hatred and nationalism. I wonder how long the West will continue to bankroll that attitude?
Don't worry about croatian-made skyscraper in Pristina, all the needed infrastructure has been settled and Konstruktor (in which my oncle serves as engineer) is only waiting the cold weather to end in order to begin with the first floors.
I've been once in Kosovo when I was a child and the less I can say is that it looks far better now than under Milosevic's prosperous era....
And as to relations with Serbia, we don't need them thanks. We don't need your few poor tourists, we're just happy with americans, british, russians, french,....... and of course germans and austrians.
BTW, I really wonder what Kosovo should benefit from being again part of such a bankrupted country which survives through IMF and EU aid...
Is it just me or does anyone else think that the decision to use this date was no coincidence?
(Peggy, 8 January 2010 11:11)
I agree with you Peggy love, it was no coincidence. He had to use this date because if he was to do it a month or two later it'd be rather pointless as he would no longer be the Croatian President.
guys - relax ... hot air or no hot air - we are on our own - taking care of things and not worried about being murdered by serbia army and police. those days are over.
“Media are saying that Priština has been decorated with flags of Kosovo and Croatia in honor of Mesić’s arrival, while billboards with his picture have been placed at the main intersections.
Observers point out that "Priština did its best to welcome the Croatian president more ceremonially that any other state official from the region".
“On January 7, just a day ahead of his visit to Kosovo, the Croatian president decided to reduce by one year the sentence handed down to a former member of Croatian police Siniša Rimac by one year.”
Is it just me or does anyone else think that the decision to use this date was no coincidence?
Next time any Serb wants to spend their money on a Croatian vacation, remember Mesic's dispicable anti-Serb actions, remember a full Maksimir stadium in black shirts doing the sieg heil at a Thompson concert, remember the handball tournament there and the Zadar mayor's comments, remember Operation Storm...the list is too long to write here. Let's not be naive, and let's not be like Mesic's abused Serb wife and go back for more punishment.
These people have a serious complex and are jealous of Serbs, and let's not pretend they are our friends, and let's not support them one bit - full boycott on Croatia and everything Croatian by every Serb citizen - that is the only way to deal with these people.
As for Kosovo, it is Serbian, and always will be Serbian, and it must hurt Mesic that he can do nothing about that.
Cheers!!
I dont know whats sicker: Mesic having a Serb wife despite being an ardent Serbophobic OR his Serb wife for marrying this neurotic hateful man, who licked Tudjman's boots despite Tudjman having thanked god that he wasnt married to a Serb or Jew like Mesic. I guess Stipe will have to sit by in retirement as Krajina spends this decade regaining autonomy.
While speaking about the war in Croatia that broke out in 1991, Mesić said that "Croatians will never forget the contribution of the citizens of Kosovo".
Long Live Rahim Ademi, Agim Ceku, and all Albanian professionals who fought the Serbs in Croatia! I have great respect for these courageous and brave men.
hahaha this is so disgusting, they do this just to irritate Serbs and I just want to say that I hope Serbia never ever becomes friendly with, these games- (Serb Krajina stays Croatian, Kosovo being backed by "best" friend Croatia) will not stop and I really hope Serbia gets some kind of redemption! They have suffered enough and I think that Serbia will keep suffer as long as USA is worshipped by Kosovo and Croatia has better stance with EU=The international community closing their eyes towards Serbs! Serbs have been part of a centuries long holocaust and I think it should stop now. The Greeks support you!
I agree with you Peggy love, it was no coincidence. He had to use this date because if he was to do it a month or two later it'd be rather pointless as he would no longer be the Croatian President.
(Ian, UK, 8 January 2010 14:06)
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Don't you ever insult me like that again. I am not your love.
I'm sure he would still be the president a day later.
"I dont know whats sicker: Mesic having a Serb wife despite being an ardent Serbophobic OR his Serb wife for marrying this neurotic hateful man, who licked Tudjman's boots despite Tudjman having thanked god that he wasnt married to a Serb or Jew like Mesic. I guess Stipe will have to sit by in retirement as Krajina spends this decade regaining autonomy.
(highduke, 8 January 2010 12:15)"
This is possibly one of the most worrying posts I have seen. What did his wife do to deserve being called sick? Was she unpatriotic?
Mesic is an ardent supporter of Kosovo's statehood and he is a founding father. Much respect to our honorable friend and may he enjoy himself in the beautiful Kosovo.
When will Serb citizen wake to the reality and see that that trying to ethnically cleans an area of over two million people and so fail does not have any consequences? Remember that Kosova will is not receiving aid from IMF but is actually paying back loans which the the great serbian leader Milosevic took only to waste it!
This will be the first in a strings of foreign officials coming to visit, and believe sooner rather than later Serbia will begin we wake up and see that every action has a reaction. See you in the EU!
The truth is that no Christian nation and no Christian can recognize Kosovo independence which allows a Muslim government nation to emerge in Europe from the ashes of destroyed Serbian Christian territory.
I dont know why the Serbs on this site are suprised at this incident?croata has massacred Serbians with prodding from their so called church, so, why wouldnt this delusional man take an opportunity to stick a finger in every Serbians eye on his way out of office.Who knows what kind of deal he was offered by thaci 'the snake" and his american masters to take part in this performance? God bless serbia.
I agree with you Peggy love, it was no coincidence. He had to use this date because if he was to do it a month or two later it'd be rather pointless as he would no longer be the Croatian President.
(Ian, UK, 8 January 2010 14:06)
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Don't you ever insult me like that again. I am not your love.
I'm sure he would still be the president a day later.
(Peggy, 8 January 2010 14:55)
I'm sure Ian didn't insult you.
Here in the UK you can call someone love and is not taken as an insult.
I hope you understand that.
The medals are getting very cheap....
(The Swiss, 8 January 2010 18:04)
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I'm surprised they didn't hand out one of those honourary doctorates from Pristina University.
Everyone should recognize Kosovo, says Mesić. Even Serbs recognize Kosovo try to cross the border and tell the guards I do not recognize Kosovo. Or your just a figment of imagination and see how far you get. Serbs can deny it but it is their never the less with its own institutions and its going on with out Serbia if they like it or not.
Mesic is a president of a country that is not relevant to the process.
So,frankly,Serbs shouldn`t care too much what he says.
The reality is that our southern rovince is blocked everywhere and UN 1244 which says it is part of Serbia is still in place.
I'm sure Ian didn't insult you.
Here in the UK you can call someone love and is not taken as an insult.
I hope you understand that.
(Whatever you say, 8 January 2010 18:26)
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I have heard the expression here in Australia many times too as we are closer to the Brits than anyone else but rest assured it all depends on who says it to whom.
Don't think you can teach me something here.
Love is used as a demeaning word if used by someone who is not exactly your friend and you know that as well. You're not talking to someone who isn't aware of the English system. Australia is very close to it still.
In North America we have a rare saying known as "party hearty" so my point is that the more recognitions Kosovo receives and especially in the event Kosovo is officially declared a sovereign entity than pro-independence Albanians should "party hearty!" Besides what a sight to see when it comes to Albanians rejoicing with much fanfare & jubilance.Incidentally it's good to know that one of my sisters rsides in a country recognizing Kosovo's independence which is United States.
Albanians in Kosovo... You give out "honourary" cheap medals and erect tacky statues to any joe who will give you the time of day. Kosovo is part of Serbia, and your insecurities about this make you do the most ridiculous things. You look like a bunch of clowns with your worthless "honours." Serbia, best of luck to you.
Billboards with Mesic's pictures all over the place?
Despite his heavy make-over for such a festive occasion (although he might want to use hair color several shades darker; he is still red "kak lisica")he is not something that one would like to rest his eyes on. I am afraid this will result in many months of nightmares in small children, requiring frequent changes of bed linens - what do the kids know about political circuses? Have a respect for the innocent!
Yes, the Kosovo Declaration of Independence specifically recognizes it:
"We welcome the international community's continued support of our democratic development through international presences established in Kosovo on the basis of UN Security Council Resolution 1244 (1999)."
(Amer, 9 January 2010 15:44)
...say the Albanian chicken thiefes from Pristina,but not the UN Security Council and thats why Kosovo de jure is still Serbia,
no matter whether you like it or not,whether Mesic comes or goes,or your drug smugglers get arrested or not...
Why don't you proclaim independence if you feel like it and see what happens, Krajina RS, whatever?
Do you think it will do you any good?
(miri, 8 January 2010 15:46)
If I remember - when Serbian Krajina declared independence - it was for Croats bad. But If Kosovo doing same - it's good. Amnesia????
How do people think the Byzantian empire was destroyed? They aksed the Pope for help and the Pope refused because he saw Byzentium as a challange to his rule. Even today the Catholic church will on any day of the week favor Catholics and even Jews over Orthodox Christians. In general it will not favor Mulsims over Christians but exceptions can certanly be made when it would strenghten the power of the Pope in relation the the leaders of the Orthodox Chruch. Although the conflict in Kosovo is not really of a religious nature it is more about different ethnicities and national identies between the regions Albanian and Serbian inhabitants which have been soured through Belgrade's foolish and discriminatory policies over the centuries.
As this issue is none of Croatia's business I wonder if the EU have anything to say to Croatia about it's "good neighbourly relations" with regards to Serbia. My guess is that they'll keep silent on the subject, but if the situation were reversed I'm sure the Germans would be hammering down Tadic's door to give him a good dressing down.
Love is used as a demeaning word if used by someone who is not exactly your friend and you know that as well. You're not talking to someone who isn't aware of the English system. Australia is very close to it still.
(Peggy, 9 January 2010 00:18)
Peggy, you are obviously not familiar with the Yorkshire Dialect of English. The term "love" can be used to refer to anyone in a kind polite way, especially from the cities of Leeds, Bradford, Wakefield and Sheffield. If you find it insulting I'm sorry. Not intentional.
Also Mesic was originally meant to visit on the 7th, but changed it to the 8th cos' Belgrade complained
Mesić's trip to Kosovo today did not provoke much interest of the Croatian public:b92
But sure did bring to Serbian government who can't do anything about it.
Lenard 'Serbs can deny it but it is their never the less with its own institutions and its going on with out Serbia if they like it or not.'
In that case lenard why don't you recognise the increasing reality of Republika Srpska?
Oh, I see, you support the reality in one case and you change your mind on another. So much for your lecture...
'UN 1244 which says [Kosovo] is part of Serbia is still in place.
(CG, 8 January 2010 20:52) '
Yes, the Kosovo Declaration of Independence specifically recognizes it:
"We welcome the international community's continued support of our democratic development through international presences established in Kosovo on the basis of UN Security Council Resolution 1244 (1999)."
You might advise the Vatican not to waste its time currying favor from the Russian Orthodox Church. The Pope is going full speed trying to repair relations with the eastern Christians. Its not the first time that the smaller issues such as Croats are sacrificed for the greater good. Read about Pope John Paul 2 treatment of Bishop Oscar Romero of El Salvador, then went to pray on his grave after his assignation – remember all for the greater good.
Poor Mesic, he's under the unfortunate impression that anyone of consequence even cares what he thinks -- only the poor Albanians care and it's nothing personal, Stjepan -- like an ugly girl, they'll droolingly fawn all over anyone who give them the tiniest bit of attention.
"Peggy, you are obviously not familiar with the Yorkshire Dialect of English. The term "love" can be used to refer to anyone in a kind polite way, especially from the cities of Leeds, Bradford, Wakefield and Sheffield. If you find it insulting I'm sorry. Not intentional. "
Ian,
You knew that calling someone love has a good chance of causing offence! Even in Yorkshire some women would pull you up and say they are not your love. It rather depends on who is saying it and in what context. In a political discussion it is not likely to be used in Yorkshire or anywhere, is it?
It was, in fact, condescending. Whether you intended that or not is something else - I know what I think.
You knew that calling someone love has a good chance of causing offence! Even in Yorkshire some women would pull you up and say they are not your love. It rather depends on who is saying it and in what context. In a political discussion it is not likely to be used in Yorkshire or anywhere, is it?
It was, in fact, condescending. Whether you intended that or not is something else - I know what I think.
(Mister, 10 January 2010 19:35)
Thank you for clearing that up.
Given my history with Ian UK, we all know how he meant it. I could just hear the tone in his voice when he said "love".
Nice emotional manipulation, the last paragraph of the article, completely unrelated to the Kosovo trip, but it shows the reader "where this naughty Croatian man belongs".
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