Germany warms to Turkish EU bid

Mircea,
I have an offer to you.From your sports related post i belive you are a soccer loving person.Let us go to an Olympiakos match.There during halftime in the middle of gate 7 you can practice your retorical skills telling people how they will benefit from turkish accesion to EU.If you manage to get back to Syntagma from Pireus you are the king and I will accept all your views.

And he pointed out that however many years it takes, eventual EU membership cannot be guaranteed.
B92

The above statement regarding Turkey's status as far as EU membership is concerned is an indication EU
hasn't got a clue of what sort of a club wants to achieve and what the future will hold.Is it about geography or economic market?
It cannot be about democracy or values because the EU banksters and bureaucrats have demonstrated they'll have none of them.

Europe has already got its nightmare with islam but allowing 80million+ muslims into EU with all their middle-eastern and east asian
dubious contacts will certainly hasten EUs demise.Imagine 80 million turks -taking advantage of the voting provisos of the Lisbon treaty-deciding on how the rest of the EU will live.

The only good thing that will come from a decision to admit Turkey will be increased anti-EU feelings amongst its citizens which i will welcome it with open arms.

I am against Turkey joining the EU. Turkey is not a European country and does not belong in the EU.

As an EU citizen I would vote against Turkish membership in the EU.
(Mircea, 8 January 2010 19:11)

Well I fuly agree with you regarding Turkey.However you as a EU citizen will not be given the choice to Vote against their accesion because EU is not about people's will.And basicly this is what our greek friend has tried to tell you for a very long time including current posts.

szemi,

I am against Turkey joining the EU. Turkey is not a European country and does not belong in the EU.

As an EU citizen I would vote against Turkish membership in the EU.

Leonidas,

I don't understand why you have anti-EU feelings. Greece has benefited a lot from EU membership.

Greece has benefited from the EU's Structural Funds and the Cohesion Fund.

Also, Greece has benefited from having the Euro as its currency.
(Mircea, 8 January 2010 17:03


Iam anti-EU because the club is against democracy.
The Lisbon treaty was written in Secret in France,discussed and modified in Secret in Tuscany,Signed in Private in Lisbon then rubber stamped half way across Europe.I was disgusted by the Cavalier way which both Dutch,French and the Irish voters were shown the two fingers.You probably haven't realised that this treaty is one way ticket.

On the economic benefits of the EU if we start with CAP the only people benefiting are the big abstentee farmers
and not the small ones.
For example big land owners like the heir to the throne in UK received the equivalent of 6 million euros from CAP without moving a finger.

Structural and Cohesion funds are mainly directed at big companies and public bureucrats and not the people.Most of these funds are eaten in fees and commissions before the programmes even start.

With regard to euro my answer is that it has been designed by the Germans for the Germans in order to keep
their industry competitive.
One size doesn't fit all Mircea.

If you look at countries which use euro you'll see that most of them are suffering because they cannot compete in the world markets. Spain has 20% unemployment overall but 46% youth one,Ireland 28%,Greece
26%,Italy 25% etc.The policy of strong euro also kept the interest rates low to allow the EU citizens to borrow to the hilt and increase their consumption.At what cost.Future generations will have to pay dearly.

Ask your fellow Romanians which were employed in Spain what they are doing now.I've
read in the press that many Bulgarians and Romanians have left Spain and a number of them were sleeping rough as they could not even afford the fares back home.

When i look at my country Greece i see that the two main economic activities that the Greeks were practicing for years ie Shipping & tourism are still the main ones today.

The EU hasn't solved any of the structural problems of the Greek economy and neither was any transfer of technology to help other sectors.

I still think the EU will eithe collapse or will become irrelevant in the years to come.Any project designed from above and not supported from the base is bound to fail.

Leonidas,

I don't understand why you have anti-EU feelings. Greece has benefited a lot from EU membership.

Greece has benefited from the EU's Structural Funds and the Cohesion Fund.

Also, Greece has benefited from having the Euro as its currency.

Leonidas,

I think the Greek economy and people benefit from having the Euro.

The Eurozone offers protection to Greece during this financial crisis.

I think that Greece would have been in a much worse state if it did not have the Euro.

The Euro is a strong and stable currency.

Leonidas,

Estonia will adopt the Euro on 1 January 2011.

Romania, Poland, Hungary, the Czech Republic, Bulgaria, Lithuania and Latvia will also adopt the Euro in the future.

All of these countries recognize the benefits of having the Euro as their currency.

Leonidas,

Estonia will adopt the Euro on 1 January 2011.

Romania, Poland, Hungary, the Czech Republic, Bulgaria, Lithuania and Latvia will also adopt the Euro in the future.

All of these countries recognize the benefits of having the Euro as their currency.
(Mircea, 8 January 2010 20:44

Those countries you just mentioned they had the flexibility in the past and now to deal with financial imbalances by devaluing their currencies.

However,the adoption of the euro will abolish this flexibility.Any imbalances will have to be corrected by painfull measures which will always affect the weakest sections of the population.

Bottom line is the adoption of euro means handing the cintrol of the economic policy to ECB.

Leonidas,

The devaluation of the currency is not a solution if a country wants to create a strong economy in the long term.

I think the Greek people and economy benefit a lot from having the Euro.

szemi,

I am against Turkey joining the EU. Turkey is not a European country and does not belong in the EU.

As an EU citizen I would vote against Turkish membership in the EU.
(Mircea, 8 January 2010 19:11)

It is not very usual, but here I am with Mircea 200%. Turkey in EU only after Burkina-Faso and only after they remove the minarets from Hagia Sophia and from the Reims's cathedral twin in Famagusta, Cyprus.

Reims's twin should be a cathedral again and so Hagia Sophia.

Ataman,

If I was the minister of culture and education this would defintely be compulsory literature
http://mantikvarium.hu/shop_artdet.php?shop_id=2442&cikk=ma946033

"The Euro is a strong and stable currency.
(Mircea, 8 January 2010 0:09)"

The problem is that the Greek economy is not strong and stable, and being locked into the euro deprives it of short-term measures that weak economies can take advantage of.

For example, Chavez on Friday cut the rate of the bolivar by 50%. This means that they immediately start receiving twice as many bolivars for every barrel of oil they sell, meaning more money to support popular spending measures, meaning better luck in upcoming elections.

Of course, this also will increase inflation (from its current 27%) and hinder local production.

The pros and cons of the devaluation are discussed here: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB126305109903923235.html?mod=WSJ_hpp_MIDDLTopStories

Leonidas,

I don't understand why you have anti-EU feelings. Greece has benefited a lot from EU membership.

Greece has benefited from the EU's Structural Funds and the Cohesion Fund.

Also, Greece has benefited from having the Euro as its currency.

Leonidas,

Estonia will adopt the Euro on 1 January 2011.

Romania, Poland, Hungary, the Czech Republic, Bulgaria, Lithuania and Latvia will also adopt the Euro in the future.

All of these countries recognize the benefits of having the Euro as their currency.

And he pointed out that however many years it takes, eventual EU membership cannot be guaranteed.
B92

The above statement regarding Turkey's status as far as EU membership is concerned is an indication EU
hasn't got a clue of what sort of a club wants to achieve and what the future will hold.Is it about geography or economic market?
It cannot be about democracy or values because the EU banksters and bureaucrats have demonstrated they'll have none of them.

Europe has already got its nightmare with islam but allowing 80million+ muslims into EU with all their middle-eastern and east asian
dubious contacts will certainly hasten EUs demise.Imagine 80 million turks -taking advantage of the voting provisos of the Lisbon treaty-deciding on how the rest of the EU will live.

The only good thing that will come from a decision to admit Turkey will be increased anti-EU feelings amongst its citizens which i will welcome it with open arms.

Mircea,
I have an offer to you.From your sports related post i belive you are a soccer loving person.Let us go to an Olympiakos match.There during halftime in the middle of gate 7 you can practice your retorical skills telling people how they will benefit from turkish accesion to EU.If you manage to get back to Syntagma from Pireus you are the king and I will accept all your views.

Leonidas,

I think the Greek economy and people benefit from having the Euro.

The Eurozone offers protection to Greece during this financial crisis.

I think that Greece would have been in a much worse state if it did not have the Euro.

The Euro is a strong and stable currency.

szemi,

I am against Turkey joining the EU. Turkey is not a European country and does not belong in the EU.

As an EU citizen I would vote against Turkish membership in the EU.

Leonidas,

I don't understand why you have anti-EU feelings. Greece has benefited a lot from EU membership.

Greece has benefited from the EU's Structural Funds and the Cohesion Fund.

Also, Greece has benefited from having the Euro as its currency.
(Mircea, 8 January 2010 17:03


Iam anti-EU because the club is against democracy.
The Lisbon treaty was written in Secret in France,discussed and modified in Secret in Tuscany,Signed in Private in Lisbon then rubber stamped half way across Europe.I was disgusted by the Cavalier way which both Dutch,French and the Irish voters were shown the two fingers.You probably haven't realised that this treaty is one way ticket.

On the economic benefits of the EU if we start with CAP the only people benefiting are the big abstentee farmers
and not the small ones.
For example big land owners like the heir to the throne in UK received the equivalent of 6 million euros from CAP without moving a finger.

Structural and Cohesion funds are mainly directed at big companies and public bureucrats and not the people.Most of these funds are eaten in fees and commissions before the programmes even start.

With regard to euro my answer is that it has been designed by the Germans for the Germans in order to keep
their industry competitive.
One size doesn't fit all Mircea.

If you look at countries which use euro you'll see that most of them are suffering because they cannot compete in the world markets. Spain has 20% unemployment overall but 46% youth one,Ireland 28%,Greece
26%,Italy 25% etc.The policy of strong euro also kept the interest rates low to allow the EU citizens to borrow to the hilt and increase their consumption.At what cost.Future generations will have to pay dearly.

Ask your fellow Romanians which were employed in Spain what they are doing now.I've
read in the press that many Bulgarians and Romanians have left Spain and a number of them were sleeping rough as they could not even afford the fares back home.

When i look at my country Greece i see that the two main economic activities that the Greeks were practicing for years ie Shipping & tourism are still the main ones today.

The EU hasn't solved any of the structural problems of the Greek economy and neither was any transfer of technology to help other sectors.

I still think the EU will eithe collapse or will become irrelevant in the years to come.Any project designed from above and not supported from the base is bound to fail.

I am against Turkey joining the EU. Turkey is not a European country and does not belong in the EU.

As an EU citizen I would vote against Turkish membership in the EU.
(Mircea, 8 January 2010 19:11)

Well I fuly agree with you regarding Turkey.However you as a EU citizen will not be given the choice to Vote against their accesion because EU is not about people's will.And basicly this is what our greek friend has tried to tell you for a very long time including current posts.

Leonidas,

Estonia will adopt the Euro on 1 January 2011.

Romania, Poland, Hungary, the Czech Republic, Bulgaria, Lithuania and Latvia will also adopt the Euro in the future.

All of these countries recognize the benefits of having the Euro as their currency.
(Mircea, 8 January 2010 20:44

Those countries you just mentioned they had the flexibility in the past and now to deal with financial imbalances by devaluing their currencies.

However,the adoption of the euro will abolish this flexibility.Any imbalances will have to be corrected by painfull measures which will always affect the weakest sections of the population.

Bottom line is the adoption of euro means handing the cintrol of the economic policy to ECB.

Leonidas,

The devaluation of the currency is not a solution if a country wants to create a strong economy in the long term.

I think the Greek people and economy benefit a lot from having the Euro.

szemi,

I am against Turkey joining the EU. Turkey is not a European country and does not belong in the EU.

As an EU citizen I would vote against Turkish membership in the EU.
(Mircea, 8 January 2010 19:11)

It is not very usual, but here I am with Mircea 200%. Turkey in EU only after Burkina-Faso and only after they remove the minarets from Hagia Sophia and from the Reims's cathedral twin in Famagusta, Cyprus.

Reims's twin should be a cathedral again and so Hagia Sophia.

Ataman,

If I was the minister of culture and education this would defintely be compulsory literature
http://mantikvarium.hu/shop_artdet.php?shop_id=2442&cikk=ma946033

"The Euro is a strong and stable currency.
(Mircea, 8 January 2010 0:09)"

The problem is that the Greek economy is not strong and stable, and being locked into the euro deprives it of short-term measures that weak economies can take advantage of.

For example, Chavez on Friday cut the rate of the bolivar by 50%. This means that they immediately start receiving twice as many bolivars for every barrel of oil they sell, meaning more money to support popular spending measures, meaning better luck in upcoming elections.

Of course, this also will increase inflation (from its current 27%) and hinder local production.

The pros and cons of the devaluation are discussed here: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB126305109903923235.html?mod=WSJ_hpp_MIDDLTopStories