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Friday, 01.01.2010.

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"Serbia, region's leader"

FM Vuk Jeremić says that "there is no doubt after 2009" that Serbia is the region's leader, "and its strategic point".

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veki

pre 14 godina

We should have had you earlier. mr. Jeremic. If we had someone as competent perhaps we could have avoided many ordeals in the 90's.
A Serbian politician that actually DOES & ACHIEVES something to protect national interests: now to me that's an absolute novelty.

BalkanUpdate

pre 14 godina

The reason Jeremic thinks Serbia is a leader is because of its demonstrated propensity to create problem in the region. Hence the rushed visa liberalization and etc.

Here are some "bitter" facts that Vuk may find hard to swallow:

Serbia, with a population of 7.3m has an annual governmental budget of $7.9Billion and revenues of $6.5billion for 2010.

Croatia, with population of 4.5m, has governmental budget/revenues of close to $24Billon dollars.

Result: Serbia's economy 1/3 of that of Croatia with almost twice the size of population.

Albania, with a population of 3m has a budget of 3.5billion for 2010.

Add that the fact that Serbia's economy is in serious trouble (almost collapsed last year) and only being kept alive with loans from IMF and Russia and you get a very bleak picture of the countries future. How about the debt burden of $30Billion dollars for its small economy? How about the largest population decline in the region?

All these figures are public information and can be verified using CIA info, B92 and others.

Vuk is insulting the intelligence of Serbs who are struggling to make ends meet.

Facts are the opposite of what Jeremic says and they are available for all to see. Serbia is far away from being a leader in the good-sense of the word. They are a leader in terms of having bad relation with her neighbors, but that's about it.

Amer

pre 14 godina

'That’s only a branch line. Another goes through Hungary, Austria, Slovenia, Italy etc.
(sj, 2 January 2010 22:32) '

But the agreement is being signed with Russia, not Serbia, meaning Serbia won't be able to play games with deliveries to Croatia, meaning no leverage over it.

Adrian, Brasov/Kronstadt, Romania

pre 14 godina

Hi, everybody,
one question: there is much talking about "regional leaders", but what is the region??? The Balkan region? Southern Europe? Both?
Thanks for enlightenment, best regards from middle of Romania!

Don Draper

pre 14 godina

To all Serbian citizens of ALbanian ethnicity- Do not ask what Serbia can do for you, ask what you can do for Serbia. It is your country also.

sj

pre 14 godina

"Russia, Croatia to Sign South Stream Deal in 2010"
(Amer, 2 January 2010 11:48)

That’s only a branch line. Another goes through Hungary, Austria, Slovenia, Italy etc.

Amer

pre 14 godina

http://www.turkishweekly.net/news/93887/russia-croatia-to-sign-south-stream-deal-in-2010.html

"Russia, Croatia to Sign South Stream Deal in 2010"

sj

pre 14 godina

(johny, 1 January 2010 19:42)

If you leave all the EU propaganda aside and look closer you will find that Slovenia and Croatia are financially unsustainable countries. Their very survival hangs on the EU supplementing their annual budgets. These two countries main source of income is tourism and there is no country on this planet that survives from tourism – ask the Greeks, they are now suffering huge internal economic problems due to the global economic downturn and lack of tourists. The EU has to bail them out as well – there are other reasons as well but this is major problem.
In fact BiH, Macedonia and Montenegro are also economic money pits for the EU. Serbia is the only viable state from the old Yugoslavia and the initial plan was to have all these small independent states trade and work as if they were still one country. However, Serbia refused and the EU placed economic sanctions and that made living in Serbia difficult, but that has now changed and the EU no longer has the same leverage as in the past so Serbia will emerge as the economic power house in the Balkans, much thanks to waning US influence and rise of the Russians and their Southstream pipeline. Serbia, with Republika Srpska, has 80% of all arable land, water resources and minerals from the old Yugoslavia.
Serb politicians are only recently making these statements because they have been given the green light to do so by the Russians and Chinese. The world has changed and will change even faster in 2010 as world power and authority moves from the west to the east. You see the US was the financial world power and the UK used to be the clearing house for all financial transactions, well all that has now gone to China. The golden rule is – he who has the gold makes the rules. Serbia benefits because it has always stuck with the Russians and Chinese.

Dragan, Toronto

pre 14 godina

Demi,

You are only dreaming of democracy - the illegal Pristina regime is a stillborn, failed state. Rest assured, we will reclaim what is ours, somehwere through the pages of history. Further, I don't buy your lies, or care about your artificially inflated phantom numbers...one day the real numbers will come out. Already Albania is frightened about the census next year...guess what...all those ethnicities will deflate the real picture...it'll happen in Kosovo too, when all ethnicities have a proper census.

Aleks

pre 14 godina

Greece as the regional leader???? It is not far off bankruptcy and major emergency measures will be introduced by the new government. Expect major demonstrations and unrest in the near future as it will be forced to go through these painful changes. All I can say to the Greeks is 'courage'!

It is interesting that EU leaders prefer Greece to get a bail out from Brussels rather than from the american controlled IMF. Hardly says much for the EU if they can't deal with their own back yard.

The good news is that american influence in Europe will continue to decline.

Macedonia is still in limbo, the MC Fed in BiH is barely solvent, Albania has extended its speedboat ban for another three years despite an earlier announcement that it would be lifted (this tells quite a lot), Bg & Ro limp on with slow reforms that they should have completed by jan 2007, Slovenia doesn't count (apart from in their own minds) and Croatia still has yet to open a number of difficult to implement chapters of the acquis communautaire (it was never about how many chapters have been completed if those are just the easy ones), not to mention still being held up particularly on organized crime and minority returns.

Serbia is still some way from being out of the woods, but it has long passed its nadir and has only got stronger thanks to seriously dealing with its economy and crime and a good hand from Moscow.

As for Kosovo, there was a piece in the Fianancial Times a year or so ago about one of its major mobile operators and doing business in the region, a foreign investor is quoted as saying (sic) "If my company has to choose between a country of 8 million people and 2 million people, then the choice is simple, we go for the larger market".

KOSOVARi

pre 14 godina

Yugoslavia was the regional leader, Serbia isn't.

I could accept this fact in the future when the South Stream is completed but at this moment in time Croatia, Slovenia, and Greece are the main contenders.

Serbia needs to grow economically, fight organized crime, drug trafficking, and control inflation --- mainly the Serbian Dinar. In December the Dinar went as high as 97 : 1 (EUR).

Zoran

pre 14 godina

Aside from the propaganda piece, I am still waiting for a reasonable answer from the Serb camp as to why Serbia is to be considered the regional leader...
(johny, 1 January 2010 19:42)
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johny, it's not a question of some decision of who becomes the regional leader, the leader will claim that right naturally.

Serbia was placed under severe sanctions while having its infrastructure and industry bombed. During that period the neighbouring countries were having billions pumped into their economies but in the end, Serbia and Serbian entities still came out ahead of the rest.

Even the West, Russia and China now realise that without Serbia the neighbouring regions have no prospects. That is why they are all trying to get their foot in the door so all investments are welcome. Serbia is the regional leader, not because someone decided it but because it is the naturally so. We have the industry and don't rely just on tourism. We have the know-how and cheap labour. Most importantly, we have the will.

Živeli!

johny

pre 14 godina

Aside from the propaganda piece, I am still waiting for a reasonable answer from the Serb camp as to why Serbia is to be considered the regional leader rather than Greece, Slovenia, or Croatia. Again I hear this Serbian claim from Serbian politicians about every month without any thing to back it up. Someone care to explain?

MikeC

pre 14 godina

"Albanians also have influence in many Balkan Countries."
uli

Yes they do, when it comes to crime! Albanians are only contirbuting to problems, problems and more problems.
Look at the countries with EU candidacy and visa liberation. Those countries are contributing.

Nicholas Klinsman

pre 14 godina

"Kosovo will be strong respecting minority rights and religion and will secure their future sociaty and religous buildings. Kosovo will be ecomically strong and and the citizens of Kosovo will have a good living standard. When that day comes serb community in Kosovo will be loyal to the state of Kosovo and will have no reason to claim being with Serbia."

We can only go by what is done, not what is said. Respecting minority rights and becoming law abiding people is not something you just grow into.

If Albanians in Kosovo wanted to respect Serbian rights, religion, and culture they could have done so long ago. Afterall, the war was over almost 11 years ago.

In short, Albanians have been doing everything in their power to make sure Serbs flee from Kosovo rather than continue their existence there.

highduke

pre 14 godina

Serbia is a major weapons exporter, has the fastest growing economy & most versatile foreign policy in the Balkans, has been destabilizing BiH, & keeping KiM unrecognized, has the fastest growing military in the region. Like it or not SERBIA is the superpower of the Balkans that is only 1/2 of where it'll be when it becomes an energy transportation center when the S. Stream is complete.

Demi

pre 14 godina

Serbia wants to be the leader of the region but they cant because Croatia is right now the leader and the albanians are also getting stronger. Serbia have some influance over Bosnia but that's it. I cannot see Serbia being an regional leader it's leaders walk out of regional summits because of the presence of kosovar delagation.


I don't see Serbia having much influance over the region when no country respect the stand of Serbia when it comes to regional cooperation. When all countrys in the region wants to devolpment and having good neighbourly relations Serbia comes here and wants to be a leader of the region. After the 90's Serbia have lost the possibility to be a regional leader.

lowe

pre 14 godina

"You see the devolpment wich have started in Kosovo in a few years will make Kosovo as strongs as all neighbouring. There will be no reason for Serbia to claim Kosovo back because Kosovo will be strong respecting minority rights and religion and will secure their future sociaty and religous buildings. Kosovo will be ecomically strong and and the citizens of Kosovo will have a good living standard. When that day comes serb community in Kosovo will be loyal to the state of Kosovo and will have no reason to claim being with Serbia. This will happend in 10-15 years I promise you so mark my words. But I think we all (serbs&albanians) knows this allready. I bet it.
(Demi, 1 January 2010 15:43)"

Well I wouldn't be so cocksure about the K-Serbs if I were you. Your people destroyed their lives and houses back in 2004 to this day they are still living in pathetic containers today and, worse still, being deprived of electricity in high winter. http://www.b92.net/eng/news/society-article.php?yyyy=2009&mm=12&dd=25&nav_id=64021

If this is your idea of respecting minority rights, I think you have failed miserably for the last 6 years already! So, as they say in UK, "don't count your chickens before they hatch!"

adrian, timisoara, romania

pre 14 godina

Serbia is not able to control its own territory. The rest of the ex-Yugo republics have found other leaders. Austria, Italy, Greece, maybe even Hungaria or Bulgaria. Even the regions left in "Smaller Serbia" are not expecting to much from Belgrade.

Zoran

pre 14 godina

Happy new year everyone. Demi, I'm glad your parallel institutions are working out well but you yourself know that these institutions do not control the entire province. 90% of the ethnic Albanian population live on 65% of the territory while the other 10% live on 35% and they are loyal to Serbia so Kosovo's status has not been finalised because no one side controls the entire territory while legally Kosovo is a part of Serbia.

That's why we get ethnic Albanians here on a daily basis endlessly repeating the same nonsense. I can understand the frustration of people like you and Kosovo-USA but the simple fact remains, the province cannot move forward until a negotiated settlement is completed with Serbia.

The West have realised that Serbia is the key to peace and prosperity in the region. The West attempted to prove otherwise, by providing more funds to the Muslims and Croats in BiH and to get Serbians to integrate into their success but it didn't quite work out. The Serbians ended up prospering while Federacija ended up bankrupt. Additionally, our southern province is also a liability to the West.

I can assure you, negotiations will happen one way or another. We Serbians are prospering and moving forward so we will just remain patient.

Živeli!

sh

pre 14 godina

No one will ever allow Serbia to become a leader. We have seen what serbs do when they get power. Jeremic talk on your behalf and let the other countries be independent. Forget Yugoslavia. You don't even rule Vojvodina anymore.

Demi

pre 14 godina

Sadly you are only fouling your own shadow in the mirror called confidence, when you declare that its a done deal. We can wait patiently a very long time, to reclaim what is ours...and rest assured, somewhere through the pages of history, we will reclaim everything.
(Dragan, Toronto, 1 January 2010 14:00)


Dragan, you will never see Kosovo inside Serbia in the future. There are 2 million albanians(90% of whole population) wich is determinated against this and Kosovo has built strong institutions wich are everyday are getting stronger and there is no way Serbia can dissolve this institutions wich is built by the goverment of Kosovo. Kosovo got it's own police force and secret agency's wich is strong units of people and handles crime groups wich is danger to our sociaty. We have now built our security forces wich will have nato and Eu standard and will in the coming years start operations through out the whole territory.


You see the devolpment wich have started in Kosovo in a few years will make Kosovo as strongs as all neighbouring. There will be no reason for Serbia to claim Kosovo back because Kosovo will be strong respecting minority rights and religion and will secure their future sociaty and religous buildings. Kosovo will be ecomically strong and and the citizens of Kosovo will have a good living standard. When that day comes serb community in Kosovo will be loyal to the state of Kosovo and will have no reason to claim being with Serbia. This will happend in 10-15 years I promise you so mark my words. But I think we all (serbs&albanians) knows this allready. I bet it.

epr

pre 14 godina

I think that was Vuc's "new years wish", otherwise it seems that noone really ask Serbia's opinion let alone decision about the region. Just to be fair, no country in that region is important, only God knows the real boss there

Dragan, Toronto

pre 14 godina

K-USA,

Sadly you are only fouling your own shadow in the mirror called confidence, when you declare that its a done deal. We can wait patiently a very long time, to reclaim what is ours...and rest assured, somewhere through the pages of history, we will reclaim everything.

Besim

pre 14 godina

Serbia's importance in the region equals that of any other independent country in that reagion. Having said that Serbia has made significant steps towards EU integration and the fact that now visa liberasation has been approved other regional countries will follow soon. I wish that all regional countries get visa liberasation and a speedy integration into the European Community where they belong.

Kosova-USA

pre 14 godina

He added that this relates to the situation in Bosnia-Herzegovina, and the solving of the future status of Kosovo and Metohija.


"future status " it should rather be future relation,since Kosova's status is over.
Still daydreaming,ah Vuk?

Dragan, Toronto

pre 14 godina

K-USA,

Sadly you are only fouling your own shadow in the mirror called confidence, when you declare that its a done deal. We can wait patiently a very long time, to reclaim what is ours...and rest assured, somewhere through the pages of history, we will reclaim everything.

Nicholas Klinsman

pre 14 godina

"Kosovo will be strong respecting minority rights and religion and will secure their future sociaty and religous buildings. Kosovo will be ecomically strong and and the citizens of Kosovo will have a good living standard. When that day comes serb community in Kosovo will be loyal to the state of Kosovo and will have no reason to claim being with Serbia."

We can only go by what is done, not what is said. Respecting minority rights and becoming law abiding people is not something you just grow into.

If Albanians in Kosovo wanted to respect Serbian rights, religion, and culture they could have done so long ago. Afterall, the war was over almost 11 years ago.

In short, Albanians have been doing everything in their power to make sure Serbs flee from Kosovo rather than continue their existence there.

Zoran

pre 14 godina

Happy new year everyone. Demi, I'm glad your parallel institutions are working out well but you yourself know that these institutions do not control the entire province. 90% of the ethnic Albanian population live on 65% of the territory while the other 10% live on 35% and they are loyal to Serbia so Kosovo's status has not been finalised because no one side controls the entire territory while legally Kosovo is a part of Serbia.

That's why we get ethnic Albanians here on a daily basis endlessly repeating the same nonsense. I can understand the frustration of people like you and Kosovo-USA but the simple fact remains, the province cannot move forward until a negotiated settlement is completed with Serbia.

The West have realised that Serbia is the key to peace and prosperity in the region. The West attempted to prove otherwise, by providing more funds to the Muslims and Croats in BiH and to get Serbians to integrate into their success but it didn't quite work out. The Serbians ended up prospering while Federacija ended up bankrupt. Additionally, our southern province is also a liability to the West.

I can assure you, negotiations will happen one way or another. We Serbians are prospering and moving forward so we will just remain patient.

Živeli!

johny

pre 14 godina

Aside from the propaganda piece, I am still waiting for a reasonable answer from the Serb camp as to why Serbia is to be considered the regional leader rather than Greece, Slovenia, or Croatia. Again I hear this Serbian claim from Serbian politicians about every month without any thing to back it up. Someone care to explain?

Zoran

pre 14 godina

Aside from the propaganda piece, I am still waiting for a reasonable answer from the Serb camp as to why Serbia is to be considered the regional leader...
(johny, 1 January 2010 19:42)
--
johny, it's not a question of some decision of who becomes the regional leader, the leader will claim that right naturally.

Serbia was placed under severe sanctions while having its infrastructure and industry bombed. During that period the neighbouring countries were having billions pumped into their economies but in the end, Serbia and Serbian entities still came out ahead of the rest.

Even the West, Russia and China now realise that without Serbia the neighbouring regions have no prospects. That is why they are all trying to get their foot in the door so all investments are welcome. Serbia is the regional leader, not because someone decided it but because it is the naturally so. We have the industry and don't rely just on tourism. We have the know-how and cheap labour. Most importantly, we have the will.

Živeli!

highduke

pre 14 godina

Serbia is a major weapons exporter, has the fastest growing economy & most versatile foreign policy in the Balkans, has been destabilizing BiH, & keeping KiM unrecognized, has the fastest growing military in the region. Like it or not SERBIA is the superpower of the Balkans that is only 1/2 of where it'll be when it becomes an energy transportation center when the S. Stream is complete.

MikeC

pre 14 godina

"Albanians also have influence in many Balkan Countries."
uli

Yes they do, when it comes to crime! Albanians are only contirbuting to problems, problems and more problems.
Look at the countries with EU candidacy and visa liberation. Those countries are contributing.

Kosova-USA

pre 14 godina

He added that this relates to the situation in Bosnia-Herzegovina, and the solving of the future status of Kosovo and Metohija.


"future status " it should rather be future relation,since Kosova's status is over.
Still daydreaming,ah Vuk?

lowe

pre 14 godina

"You see the devolpment wich have started in Kosovo in a few years will make Kosovo as strongs as all neighbouring. There will be no reason for Serbia to claim Kosovo back because Kosovo will be strong respecting minority rights and religion and will secure their future sociaty and religous buildings. Kosovo will be ecomically strong and and the citizens of Kosovo will have a good living standard. When that day comes serb community in Kosovo will be loyal to the state of Kosovo and will have no reason to claim being with Serbia. This will happend in 10-15 years I promise you so mark my words. But I think we all (serbs&albanians) knows this allready. I bet it.
(Demi, 1 January 2010 15:43)"

Well I wouldn't be so cocksure about the K-Serbs if I were you. Your people destroyed their lives and houses back in 2004 to this day they are still living in pathetic containers today and, worse still, being deprived of electricity in high winter. http://www.b92.net/eng/news/society-article.php?yyyy=2009&mm=12&dd=25&nav_id=64021

If this is your idea of respecting minority rights, I think you have failed miserably for the last 6 years already! So, as they say in UK, "don't count your chickens before they hatch!"

Besim

pre 14 godina

Serbia's importance in the region equals that of any other independent country in that reagion. Having said that Serbia has made significant steps towards EU integration and the fact that now visa liberasation has been approved other regional countries will follow soon. I wish that all regional countries get visa liberasation and a speedy integration into the European Community where they belong.

Demi

pre 14 godina

Serbia wants to be the leader of the region but they cant because Croatia is right now the leader and the albanians are also getting stronger. Serbia have some influance over Bosnia but that's it. I cannot see Serbia being an regional leader it's leaders walk out of regional summits because of the presence of kosovar delagation.


I don't see Serbia having much influance over the region when no country respect the stand of Serbia when it comes to regional cooperation. When all countrys in the region wants to devolpment and having good neighbourly relations Serbia comes here and wants to be a leader of the region. After the 90's Serbia have lost the possibility to be a regional leader.

adrian, timisoara, romania

pre 14 godina

Serbia is not able to control its own territory. The rest of the ex-Yugo republics have found other leaders. Austria, Italy, Greece, maybe even Hungaria or Bulgaria. Even the regions left in "Smaller Serbia" are not expecting to much from Belgrade.

sh

pre 14 godina

No one will ever allow Serbia to become a leader. We have seen what serbs do when they get power. Jeremic talk on your behalf and let the other countries be independent. Forget Yugoslavia. You don't even rule Vojvodina anymore.

epr

pre 14 godina

I think that was Vuc's "new years wish", otherwise it seems that noone really ask Serbia's opinion let alone decision about the region. Just to be fair, no country in that region is important, only God knows the real boss there

Demi

pre 14 godina

Sadly you are only fouling your own shadow in the mirror called confidence, when you declare that its a done deal. We can wait patiently a very long time, to reclaim what is ours...and rest assured, somewhere through the pages of history, we will reclaim everything.
(Dragan, Toronto, 1 January 2010 14:00)


Dragan, you will never see Kosovo inside Serbia in the future. There are 2 million albanians(90% of whole population) wich is determinated against this and Kosovo has built strong institutions wich are everyday are getting stronger and there is no way Serbia can dissolve this institutions wich is built by the goverment of Kosovo. Kosovo got it's own police force and secret agency's wich is strong units of people and handles crime groups wich is danger to our sociaty. We have now built our security forces wich will have nato and Eu standard and will in the coming years start operations through out the whole territory.


You see the devolpment wich have started in Kosovo in a few years will make Kosovo as strongs as all neighbouring. There will be no reason for Serbia to claim Kosovo back because Kosovo will be strong respecting minority rights and religion and will secure their future sociaty and religous buildings. Kosovo will be ecomically strong and and the citizens of Kosovo will have a good living standard. When that day comes serb community in Kosovo will be loyal to the state of Kosovo and will have no reason to claim being with Serbia. This will happend in 10-15 years I promise you so mark my words. But I think we all (serbs&albanians) knows this allready. I bet it.

sj

pre 14 godina

(johny, 1 January 2010 19:42)

If you leave all the EU propaganda aside and look closer you will find that Slovenia and Croatia are financially unsustainable countries. Their very survival hangs on the EU supplementing their annual budgets. These two countries main source of income is tourism and there is no country on this planet that survives from tourism – ask the Greeks, they are now suffering huge internal economic problems due to the global economic downturn and lack of tourists. The EU has to bail them out as well – there are other reasons as well but this is major problem.
In fact BiH, Macedonia and Montenegro are also economic money pits for the EU. Serbia is the only viable state from the old Yugoslavia and the initial plan was to have all these small independent states trade and work as if they were still one country. However, Serbia refused and the EU placed economic sanctions and that made living in Serbia difficult, but that has now changed and the EU no longer has the same leverage as in the past so Serbia will emerge as the economic power house in the Balkans, much thanks to waning US influence and rise of the Russians and their Southstream pipeline. Serbia, with Republika Srpska, has 80% of all arable land, water resources and minerals from the old Yugoslavia.
Serb politicians are only recently making these statements because they have been given the green light to do so by the Russians and Chinese. The world has changed and will change even faster in 2010 as world power and authority moves from the west to the east. You see the US was the financial world power and the UK used to be the clearing house for all financial transactions, well all that has now gone to China. The golden rule is – he who has the gold makes the rules. Serbia benefits because it has always stuck with the Russians and Chinese.

Dragan, Toronto

pre 14 godina

Demi,

You are only dreaming of democracy - the illegal Pristina regime is a stillborn, failed state. Rest assured, we will reclaim what is ours, somehwere through the pages of history. Further, I don't buy your lies, or care about your artificially inflated phantom numbers...one day the real numbers will come out. Already Albania is frightened about the census next year...guess what...all those ethnicities will deflate the real picture...it'll happen in Kosovo too, when all ethnicities have a proper census.

Aleks

pre 14 godina

Greece as the regional leader???? It is not far off bankruptcy and major emergency measures will be introduced by the new government. Expect major demonstrations and unrest in the near future as it will be forced to go through these painful changes. All I can say to the Greeks is 'courage'!

It is interesting that EU leaders prefer Greece to get a bail out from Brussels rather than from the american controlled IMF. Hardly says much for the EU if they can't deal with their own back yard.

The good news is that american influence in Europe will continue to decline.

Macedonia is still in limbo, the MC Fed in BiH is barely solvent, Albania has extended its speedboat ban for another three years despite an earlier announcement that it would be lifted (this tells quite a lot), Bg & Ro limp on with slow reforms that they should have completed by jan 2007, Slovenia doesn't count (apart from in their own minds) and Croatia still has yet to open a number of difficult to implement chapters of the acquis communautaire (it was never about how many chapters have been completed if those are just the easy ones), not to mention still being held up particularly on organized crime and minority returns.

Serbia is still some way from being out of the woods, but it has long passed its nadir and has only got stronger thanks to seriously dealing with its economy and crime and a good hand from Moscow.

As for Kosovo, there was a piece in the Fianancial Times a year or so ago about one of its major mobile operators and doing business in the region, a foreign investor is quoted as saying (sic) "If my company has to choose between a country of 8 million people and 2 million people, then the choice is simple, we go for the larger market".

KOSOVARi

pre 14 godina

Yugoslavia was the regional leader, Serbia isn't.

I could accept this fact in the future when the South Stream is completed but at this moment in time Croatia, Slovenia, and Greece are the main contenders.

Serbia needs to grow economically, fight organized crime, drug trafficking, and control inflation --- mainly the Serbian Dinar. In December the Dinar went as high as 97 : 1 (EUR).

sj

pre 14 godina

"Russia, Croatia to Sign South Stream Deal in 2010"
(Amer, 2 January 2010 11:48)

That’s only a branch line. Another goes through Hungary, Austria, Slovenia, Italy etc.

BalkanUpdate

pre 14 godina

The reason Jeremic thinks Serbia is a leader is because of its demonstrated propensity to create problem in the region. Hence the rushed visa liberalization and etc.

Here are some "bitter" facts that Vuk may find hard to swallow:

Serbia, with a population of 7.3m has an annual governmental budget of $7.9Billion and revenues of $6.5billion for 2010.

Croatia, with population of 4.5m, has governmental budget/revenues of close to $24Billon dollars.

Result: Serbia's economy 1/3 of that of Croatia with almost twice the size of population.

Albania, with a population of 3m has a budget of 3.5billion for 2010.

Add that the fact that Serbia's economy is in serious trouble (almost collapsed last year) and only being kept alive with loans from IMF and Russia and you get a very bleak picture of the countries future. How about the debt burden of $30Billion dollars for its small economy? How about the largest population decline in the region?

All these figures are public information and can be verified using CIA info, B92 and others.

Vuk is insulting the intelligence of Serbs who are struggling to make ends meet.

Facts are the opposite of what Jeremic says and they are available for all to see. Serbia is far away from being a leader in the good-sense of the word. They are a leader in terms of having bad relation with her neighbors, but that's about it.

Don Draper

pre 14 godina

To all Serbian citizens of ALbanian ethnicity- Do not ask what Serbia can do for you, ask what you can do for Serbia. It is your country also.

Amer

pre 14 godina

'That’s only a branch line. Another goes through Hungary, Austria, Slovenia, Italy etc.
(sj, 2 January 2010 22:32) '

But the agreement is being signed with Russia, not Serbia, meaning Serbia won't be able to play games with deliveries to Croatia, meaning no leverage over it.

Amer

pre 14 godina

http://www.turkishweekly.net/news/93887/russia-croatia-to-sign-south-stream-deal-in-2010.html

"Russia, Croatia to Sign South Stream Deal in 2010"

Adrian, Brasov/Kronstadt, Romania

pre 14 godina

Hi, everybody,
one question: there is much talking about "regional leaders", but what is the region??? The Balkan region? Southern Europe? Both?
Thanks for enlightenment, best regards from middle of Romania!

veki

pre 14 godina

We should have had you earlier. mr. Jeremic. If we had someone as competent perhaps we could have avoided many ordeals in the 90's.
A Serbian politician that actually DOES & ACHIEVES something to protect national interests: now to me that's an absolute novelty.

Kosova-USA

pre 14 godina

He added that this relates to the situation in Bosnia-Herzegovina, and the solving of the future status of Kosovo and Metohija.


"future status " it should rather be future relation,since Kosova's status is over.
Still daydreaming,ah Vuk?

Demi

pre 14 godina

Sadly you are only fouling your own shadow in the mirror called confidence, when you declare that its a done deal. We can wait patiently a very long time, to reclaim what is ours...and rest assured, somewhere through the pages of history, we will reclaim everything.
(Dragan, Toronto, 1 January 2010 14:00)


Dragan, you will never see Kosovo inside Serbia in the future. There are 2 million albanians(90% of whole population) wich is determinated against this and Kosovo has built strong institutions wich are everyday are getting stronger and there is no way Serbia can dissolve this institutions wich is built by the goverment of Kosovo. Kosovo got it's own police force and secret agency's wich is strong units of people and handles crime groups wich is danger to our sociaty. We have now built our security forces wich will have nato and Eu standard and will in the coming years start operations through out the whole territory.


You see the devolpment wich have started in Kosovo in a few years will make Kosovo as strongs as all neighbouring. There will be no reason for Serbia to claim Kosovo back because Kosovo will be strong respecting minority rights and religion and will secure their future sociaty and religous buildings. Kosovo will be ecomically strong and and the citizens of Kosovo will have a good living standard. When that day comes serb community in Kosovo will be loyal to the state of Kosovo and will have no reason to claim being with Serbia. This will happend in 10-15 years I promise you so mark my words. But I think we all (serbs&albanians) knows this allready. I bet it.

sh

pre 14 godina

No one will ever allow Serbia to become a leader. We have seen what serbs do when they get power. Jeremic talk on your behalf and let the other countries be independent. Forget Yugoslavia. You don't even rule Vojvodina anymore.

Demi

pre 14 godina

Serbia wants to be the leader of the region but they cant because Croatia is right now the leader and the albanians are also getting stronger. Serbia have some influance over Bosnia but that's it. I cannot see Serbia being an regional leader it's leaders walk out of regional summits because of the presence of kosovar delagation.


I don't see Serbia having much influance over the region when no country respect the stand of Serbia when it comes to regional cooperation. When all countrys in the region wants to devolpment and having good neighbourly relations Serbia comes here and wants to be a leader of the region. After the 90's Serbia have lost the possibility to be a regional leader.

epr

pre 14 godina

I think that was Vuc's "new years wish", otherwise it seems that noone really ask Serbia's opinion let alone decision about the region. Just to be fair, no country in that region is important, only God knows the real boss there

Zoran

pre 14 godina

Aside from the propaganda piece, I am still waiting for a reasonable answer from the Serb camp as to why Serbia is to be considered the regional leader...
(johny, 1 January 2010 19:42)
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johny, it's not a question of some decision of who becomes the regional leader, the leader will claim that right naturally.

Serbia was placed under severe sanctions while having its infrastructure and industry bombed. During that period the neighbouring countries were having billions pumped into their economies but in the end, Serbia and Serbian entities still came out ahead of the rest.

Even the West, Russia and China now realise that without Serbia the neighbouring regions have no prospects. That is why they are all trying to get their foot in the door so all investments are welcome. Serbia is the regional leader, not because someone decided it but because it is the naturally so. We have the industry and don't rely just on tourism. We have the know-how and cheap labour. Most importantly, we have the will.

Živeli!

johny

pre 14 godina

Aside from the propaganda piece, I am still waiting for a reasonable answer from the Serb camp as to why Serbia is to be considered the regional leader rather than Greece, Slovenia, or Croatia. Again I hear this Serbian claim from Serbian politicians about every month without any thing to back it up. Someone care to explain?

adrian, timisoara, romania

pre 14 godina

Serbia is not able to control its own territory. The rest of the ex-Yugo republics have found other leaders. Austria, Italy, Greece, maybe even Hungaria or Bulgaria. Even the regions left in "Smaller Serbia" are not expecting to much from Belgrade.

Zoran

pre 14 godina

Happy new year everyone. Demi, I'm glad your parallel institutions are working out well but you yourself know that these institutions do not control the entire province. 90% of the ethnic Albanian population live on 65% of the territory while the other 10% live on 35% and they are loyal to Serbia so Kosovo's status has not been finalised because no one side controls the entire territory while legally Kosovo is a part of Serbia.

That's why we get ethnic Albanians here on a daily basis endlessly repeating the same nonsense. I can understand the frustration of people like you and Kosovo-USA but the simple fact remains, the province cannot move forward until a negotiated settlement is completed with Serbia.

The West have realised that Serbia is the key to peace and prosperity in the region. The West attempted to prove otherwise, by providing more funds to the Muslims and Croats in BiH and to get Serbians to integrate into their success but it didn't quite work out. The Serbians ended up prospering while Federacija ended up bankrupt. Additionally, our southern province is also a liability to the West.

I can assure you, negotiations will happen one way or another. We Serbians are prospering and moving forward so we will just remain patient.

Živeli!

Dragan, Toronto

pre 14 godina

K-USA,

Sadly you are only fouling your own shadow in the mirror called confidence, when you declare that its a done deal. We can wait patiently a very long time, to reclaim what is ours...and rest assured, somewhere through the pages of history, we will reclaim everything.

highduke

pre 14 godina

Serbia is a major weapons exporter, has the fastest growing economy & most versatile foreign policy in the Balkans, has been destabilizing BiH, & keeping KiM unrecognized, has the fastest growing military in the region. Like it or not SERBIA is the superpower of the Balkans that is only 1/2 of where it'll be when it becomes an energy transportation center when the S. Stream is complete.

MikeC

pre 14 godina

"Albanians also have influence in many Balkan Countries."
uli

Yes they do, when it comes to crime! Albanians are only contirbuting to problems, problems and more problems.
Look at the countries with EU candidacy and visa liberation. Those countries are contributing.

KOSOVARi

pre 14 godina

Yugoslavia was the regional leader, Serbia isn't.

I could accept this fact in the future when the South Stream is completed but at this moment in time Croatia, Slovenia, and Greece are the main contenders.

Serbia needs to grow economically, fight organized crime, drug trafficking, and control inflation --- mainly the Serbian Dinar. In December the Dinar went as high as 97 : 1 (EUR).

Besim

pre 14 godina

Serbia's importance in the region equals that of any other independent country in that reagion. Having said that Serbia has made significant steps towards EU integration and the fact that now visa liberasation has been approved other regional countries will follow soon. I wish that all regional countries get visa liberasation and a speedy integration into the European Community where they belong.

Nicholas Klinsman

pre 14 godina

"Kosovo will be strong respecting minority rights and religion and will secure their future sociaty and religous buildings. Kosovo will be ecomically strong and and the citizens of Kosovo will have a good living standard. When that day comes serb community in Kosovo will be loyal to the state of Kosovo and will have no reason to claim being with Serbia."

We can only go by what is done, not what is said. Respecting minority rights and becoming law abiding people is not something you just grow into.

If Albanians in Kosovo wanted to respect Serbian rights, religion, and culture they could have done so long ago. Afterall, the war was over almost 11 years ago.

In short, Albanians have been doing everything in their power to make sure Serbs flee from Kosovo rather than continue their existence there.

lowe

pre 14 godina

"You see the devolpment wich have started in Kosovo in a few years will make Kosovo as strongs as all neighbouring. There will be no reason for Serbia to claim Kosovo back because Kosovo will be strong respecting minority rights and religion and will secure their future sociaty and religous buildings. Kosovo will be ecomically strong and and the citizens of Kosovo will have a good living standard. When that day comes serb community in Kosovo will be loyal to the state of Kosovo and will have no reason to claim being with Serbia. This will happend in 10-15 years I promise you so mark my words. But I think we all (serbs&albanians) knows this allready. I bet it.
(Demi, 1 January 2010 15:43)"

Well I wouldn't be so cocksure about the K-Serbs if I were you. Your people destroyed their lives and houses back in 2004 to this day they are still living in pathetic containers today and, worse still, being deprived of electricity in high winter. http://www.b92.net/eng/news/society-article.php?yyyy=2009&mm=12&dd=25&nav_id=64021

If this is your idea of respecting minority rights, I think you have failed miserably for the last 6 years already! So, as they say in UK, "don't count your chickens before they hatch!"

sj

pre 14 godina

(johny, 1 January 2010 19:42)

If you leave all the EU propaganda aside and look closer you will find that Slovenia and Croatia are financially unsustainable countries. Their very survival hangs on the EU supplementing their annual budgets. These two countries main source of income is tourism and there is no country on this planet that survives from tourism – ask the Greeks, they are now suffering huge internal economic problems due to the global economic downturn and lack of tourists. The EU has to bail them out as well – there are other reasons as well but this is major problem.
In fact BiH, Macedonia and Montenegro are also economic money pits for the EU. Serbia is the only viable state from the old Yugoslavia and the initial plan was to have all these small independent states trade and work as if they were still one country. However, Serbia refused and the EU placed economic sanctions and that made living in Serbia difficult, but that has now changed and the EU no longer has the same leverage as in the past so Serbia will emerge as the economic power house in the Balkans, much thanks to waning US influence and rise of the Russians and their Southstream pipeline. Serbia, with Republika Srpska, has 80% of all arable land, water resources and minerals from the old Yugoslavia.
Serb politicians are only recently making these statements because they have been given the green light to do so by the Russians and Chinese. The world has changed and will change even faster in 2010 as world power and authority moves from the west to the east. You see the US was the financial world power and the UK used to be the clearing house for all financial transactions, well all that has now gone to China. The golden rule is – he who has the gold makes the rules. Serbia benefits because it has always stuck with the Russians and Chinese.

BalkanUpdate

pre 14 godina

The reason Jeremic thinks Serbia is a leader is because of its demonstrated propensity to create problem in the region. Hence the rushed visa liberalization and etc.

Here are some "bitter" facts that Vuk may find hard to swallow:

Serbia, with a population of 7.3m has an annual governmental budget of $7.9Billion and revenues of $6.5billion for 2010.

Croatia, with population of 4.5m, has governmental budget/revenues of close to $24Billon dollars.

Result: Serbia's economy 1/3 of that of Croatia with almost twice the size of population.

Albania, with a population of 3m has a budget of 3.5billion for 2010.

Add that the fact that Serbia's economy is in serious trouble (almost collapsed last year) and only being kept alive with loans from IMF and Russia and you get a very bleak picture of the countries future. How about the debt burden of $30Billion dollars for its small economy? How about the largest population decline in the region?

All these figures are public information and can be verified using CIA info, B92 and others.

Vuk is insulting the intelligence of Serbs who are struggling to make ends meet.

Facts are the opposite of what Jeremic says and they are available for all to see. Serbia is far away from being a leader in the good-sense of the word. They are a leader in terms of having bad relation with her neighbors, but that's about it.

Amer

pre 14 godina

http://www.turkishweekly.net/news/93887/russia-croatia-to-sign-south-stream-deal-in-2010.html

"Russia, Croatia to Sign South Stream Deal in 2010"

Aleks

pre 14 godina

Greece as the regional leader???? It is not far off bankruptcy and major emergency measures will be introduced by the new government. Expect major demonstrations and unrest in the near future as it will be forced to go through these painful changes. All I can say to the Greeks is 'courage'!

It is interesting that EU leaders prefer Greece to get a bail out from Brussels rather than from the american controlled IMF. Hardly says much for the EU if they can't deal with their own back yard.

The good news is that american influence in Europe will continue to decline.

Macedonia is still in limbo, the MC Fed in BiH is barely solvent, Albania has extended its speedboat ban for another three years despite an earlier announcement that it would be lifted (this tells quite a lot), Bg & Ro limp on with slow reforms that they should have completed by jan 2007, Slovenia doesn't count (apart from in their own minds) and Croatia still has yet to open a number of difficult to implement chapters of the acquis communautaire (it was never about how many chapters have been completed if those are just the easy ones), not to mention still being held up particularly on organized crime and minority returns.

Serbia is still some way from being out of the woods, but it has long passed its nadir and has only got stronger thanks to seriously dealing with its economy and crime and a good hand from Moscow.

As for Kosovo, there was a piece in the Fianancial Times a year or so ago about one of its major mobile operators and doing business in the region, a foreign investor is quoted as saying (sic) "If my company has to choose between a country of 8 million people and 2 million people, then the choice is simple, we go for the larger market".

Dragan, Toronto

pre 14 godina

Demi,

You are only dreaming of democracy - the illegal Pristina regime is a stillborn, failed state. Rest assured, we will reclaim what is ours, somehwere through the pages of history. Further, I don't buy your lies, or care about your artificially inflated phantom numbers...one day the real numbers will come out. Already Albania is frightened about the census next year...guess what...all those ethnicities will deflate the real picture...it'll happen in Kosovo too, when all ethnicities have a proper census.

Don Draper

pre 14 godina

To all Serbian citizens of ALbanian ethnicity- Do not ask what Serbia can do for you, ask what you can do for Serbia. It is your country also.

Amer

pre 14 godina

'That’s only a branch line. Another goes through Hungary, Austria, Slovenia, Italy etc.
(sj, 2 January 2010 22:32) '

But the agreement is being signed with Russia, not Serbia, meaning Serbia won't be able to play games with deliveries to Croatia, meaning no leverage over it.

sj

pre 14 godina

"Russia, Croatia to Sign South Stream Deal in 2010"
(Amer, 2 January 2010 11:48)

That’s only a branch line. Another goes through Hungary, Austria, Slovenia, Italy etc.

Adrian, Brasov/Kronstadt, Romania

pre 14 godina

Hi, everybody,
one question: there is much talking about "regional leaders", but what is the region??? The Balkan region? Southern Europe? Both?
Thanks for enlightenment, best regards from middle of Romania!

veki

pre 14 godina

We should have had you earlier. mr. Jeremic. If we had someone as competent perhaps we could have avoided many ordeals in the 90's.
A Serbian politician that actually DOES & ACHIEVES something to protect national interests: now to me that's an absolute novelty.