"Someone who is mentally ill must have medical history documented and the doctors which treated him.In his case
there was only the testimony
of family members and nothing else.
He was offered legal representation from the UK he
rejected it and decided to defend himself.
As far as i know China applies the same justice for similar crimes.But the big question you have to ask is why it took the British goverment more than two years to make an appearence.
(Leonidas, 30 December 2009 17:35)"
Really? Honestly? You must have a record? I think you are a broken record.
As for the rest, politics again. Think of the life for once.
But the big question you have to ask is why it took the British goverment more than two years to make an appearence.
(Leonidas, 30 December 2009 17:35)
Because they didn't care and had more important things to deal with.
I asked you the questions.
(Mister, 30 December 2009 15:51
Someone who is mentally ill must have medical history documented and the doctors which treated him.In his case
there was only the testimony
of family members and nothing else.
He was offered legal representation from the UK he
rejected it and decided to defend himself.
As far as i know China applies the same justice for similar crimes.But the big question you have to ask is why it took the British goverment more than two years to make an appearence.
I agree with your coment with exception of word " buster", but I do not blame you, but b92 so called educated staff to let that word posted.
(Kosova-USA)
I would also add the latest poll on capital punishment in UK carried out in 2005 was supported by 66.5% of the population.
(Leonidas, 30 December 2009 14:05)
I remember when the Sun newspaper did a survey on capital punishment in the UK via a questionnaire in its newspaper. It resulted in 99% in support of Capital Punishment. However this is by no means representative of the UK. All that poll tells us is that 99% of Sun readers (aka idiots) who could be bothered responding (minority) supported Capital Punishment, which is very unsurprising.
What I am saying is that surveys and statistics are stupid and useless. Having studied sociology for over 4 years I have had to analyse the relevance and how accurate questionnaires/ surveys are. You have to perform the survey on at least 10% of the population to get a realistic accurate representative results.
So until that happens I don't care what these minor inaccurate polls say because they are of no use.
That is your criteria for judging mentally ill? Do you think he received justice and a fair trial?
I expect your response is that it doesn't matter because it was in China so it is up to them.
(Mister, 30 December 2009 11:55
I will refer you to a statement released by the Chinese Embassy in London.
The embassy in London said Shaikh had no previous medical record of mental illness and that his rights and interests had been properly respected.
The statement also said Shaikh, was convicted of a very "serious" drug trafficking. "The amount of heroin he brought into China was 4,030g, enough to cause 26,800 deaths, threatening thousands of families,".
I would also add the latest poll on capital punishment in UK carried out in 2005 was supported by 66.5% of the population.
"BTW Reports suggest that Mr Shaikh was able to travel from UK to Poland to pakistan and China.Mentally ill?
(Leonidas, 30 December 2009 01:41)
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That is your criteria for judging mentally ill? Do you think he received justice and a fair trial?
I expect your response is that it doesn't matter because it was in China so it is up to them.
And that makes it ok to execute a mentally ill man?
Politics politics politics. How about some humanity for once?
(Mister, 29 December 2009 23:34
It's very convenient in modern days to label every drug dealer caught in different parts of the world as a mule,dupe or mentally ill and sympathise with his predicament.
But one has to see China's point of view.As a country it has a huge problem with drugs and unlike the West where individualistic rights are papamount China takes measures to protect the well being of its population.
BTW Reports suggest that Mr Shaikh was able to travel from UK to Poland to pakistan and China.Mentally ill?
"Mr Brown is appalled by the death of one drug dealer but he's not appalled by the deaths of thousands of women and children in his illegal wars in Iraq & Afganistan.
China cannot and won't accept
any lectures from the West and Britain must get used to it.
(Leonidas, 29 December 2009 14:00)
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What's this"
And that makes it ok to execute a mentally ill man?
Politics politics politics. How about some humanity for once?
I'm sure you didn't mean it the way that sounded. But he was British, end of. Not that that should matter. What we are talking about was a sad mad that was murdered. I'll leave it the the likes of KosovoUSA to defend such things but if he only knew that it is the same type of people with concern for morals and humanity that supported intervention in Kosovo then he should be ashamed.
The Chinese don’t do anything lightly. Yes, they had a UK national executed for drug smuggling but this is also a message to the UK that China will and can do what it wants. If anyone is interested what China would do if a US citizen was caught – the same!
I agree with you, the death penalty is a medieval punishment which is not effective, you just have to look at the US for that. Also even if you do support the Death penalty, it shouldn't be used for drug smuggling. It is well known that China has poor human rights. Also I think it is important to point out that he he was not British or a Briton, but he was a Pakistani with British citizenship.
Mr Brown is appalled by the death of one drug dealer but he's not appalled by the deaths of thousands of women and children in his illegal wars in Iraq & Afganistan.
(Leonidas, 29 December 2009 14:00)
I had not thought about it that way, but Leonidas highlights a particularly sad - yet true irony. Thanks for the thoughts.
I strongly disagree here,there is nothing "barbaric" about capital punishment if it is done in a sterile way.
In China the penalty on corruption is death .
Result:Corruption and bureacracy --->zero
, and an economic growth of 10%.
The goals justify the means.
(CG, 29 December 2009 16:44)
CG,
They gone apparently way to far. Now there will be death penalty for DUI.
http://tinyurl.com/ycrhfr7
In two (in)famous cases of DUI offenders (Bush and Cheney) that could be not a bad idea after all. But they committed more, than drive a car while intoxicated.
Even if DUI alone is a crime not to be taken lightly. In California expect a few thousand Dollars plus insurance go crazy. In Russia quite a few days in sobering station (worse than jail) + quite a few money going to court. But not death penalty.
In general, Chinese have a great sense for survival of the society as such - but the life of individual does not count very much in their law traditionally.
Here our tradition goes a very different way and I am sure, the numerous Chinese immigrants in Belgrade or Budapest enjoy much more humane laws and better treatment than at home. Wish them best in their new homeland.
I strongly disagree here,there is nothing "barbaric" about capital punishment if it is done in a sterile way.
In China the penalty on corruption is death .
Result:Corruption and bureacracy --->zero
, and an economic growth of 10%.
The goals justify the means.
British Prime Minister Gordon Brown said he was "appalled and disappointed" British appeals had been ignored.
B92
Mr Brown is appalled by the death of one drug dealer but he's not appalled by the deaths of thousands of women and children in his illegal wars in Iraq & Afganistan.
China cannot and won't accept
any lectures from the West and Britain must get used to it.
"No one is above the law.
I agree with your coment with exception of word " buster", but I do not blame you, but b92 so called educated staff to let that word posted.
(Kosova-USA, 29 December 2009 13:17) "
I never stop being amazed at some of the replies that I get on b92. This one all but takes the cake! However I've got better things to do than conduct English 101 here.
Well get used to it buster! Why should UK nationals be above Chinese laws? The days of the Opium Wars are long gone.
(lowe, 29 December 2009 10:31)
No one is above the law.
I agree with your coment with exception of word " buster", but I do not blame you, but b92 so called educated staff to let that word posted.
Kosovo-USA - Actually, your comment about B92 staff not being educated is more offensive than any references to Gordon Brown as 'buster' which is just a harmless inoffensive word.
As for this execution I find it very sad because like many Europeans I am against all death penalty. It is barbaric and immoral, and the eye-for-an-eye principle belongs to the Dark Ages.
British Prime Minister Gordon Brown said he was "appalled and disappointed" British appeals had been ignored.
B92
Mr Brown is appalled by the death of one drug dealer but he's not appalled by the deaths of thousands of women and children in his illegal wars in Iraq & Afganistan.
China cannot and won't accept
any lectures from the West and Britain must get used to it.
"No one is above the law.
I agree with your coment with exception of word " buster", but I do not blame you, but b92 so called educated staff to let that word posted.
(Kosova-USA, 29 December 2009 13:17) "
I never stop being amazed at some of the replies that I get on b92. This one all but takes the cake! However I've got better things to do than conduct English 101 here.
Kosovo-USA - Actually, your comment about B92 staff not being educated is more offensive than any references to Gordon Brown as 'buster' which is just a harmless inoffensive word.
As for this execution I find it very sad because like many Europeans I am against all death penalty. It is barbaric and immoral, and the eye-for-an-eye principle belongs to the Dark Ages.
Mr Brown is appalled by the death of one drug dealer but he's not appalled by the deaths of thousands of women and children in his illegal wars in Iraq & Afganistan.
(Leonidas, 29 December 2009 14:00)
I had not thought about it that way, but Leonidas highlights a particularly sad - yet true irony. Thanks for the thoughts.
I strongly disagree here,there is nothing "barbaric" about capital punishment if it is done in a sterile way.
In China the penalty on corruption is death .
Result:Corruption and bureacracy --->zero
, and an economic growth of 10%.
The goals justify the means.
Well get used to it buster! Why should UK nationals be above Chinese laws? The days of the Opium Wars are long gone.
(lowe, 29 December 2009 10:31)
No one is above the law.
I agree with your coment with exception of word " buster", but I do not blame you, but b92 so called educated staff to let that word posted.
I strongly disagree here,there is nothing "barbaric" about capital punishment if it is done in a sterile way.
In China the penalty on corruption is death .
Result:Corruption and bureacracy --->zero
, and an economic growth of 10%.
The goals justify the means.
(CG, 29 December 2009 16:44)
CG,
They gone apparently way to far. Now there will be death penalty for DUI.
http://tinyurl.com/ycrhfr7
In two (in)famous cases of DUI offenders (Bush and Cheney) that could be not a bad idea after all. But they committed more, than drive a car while intoxicated.
Even if DUI alone is a crime not to be taken lightly. In California expect a few thousand Dollars plus insurance go crazy. In Russia quite a few days in sobering station (worse than jail) + quite a few money going to court. But not death penalty.
In general, Chinese have a great sense for survival of the society as such - but the life of individual does not count very much in their law traditionally.
Here our tradition goes a very different way and I am sure, the numerous Chinese immigrants in Belgrade or Budapest enjoy much more humane laws and better treatment than at home. Wish them best in their new homeland.
I asked you the questions.
(Mister, 30 December 2009 15:51
Someone who is mentally ill must have medical history documented and the doctors which treated him.In his case
there was only the testimony
of family members and nothing else.
He was offered legal representation from the UK he
rejected it and decided to defend himself.
As far as i know China applies the same justice for similar crimes.But the big question you have to ask is why it took the British goverment more than two years to make an appearence.
And that makes it ok to execute a mentally ill man?
Politics politics politics. How about some humanity for once?
(Mister, 29 December 2009 23:34
It's very convenient in modern days to label every drug dealer caught in different parts of the world as a mule,dupe or mentally ill and sympathise with his predicament.
But one has to see China's point of view.As a country it has a huge problem with drugs and unlike the West where individualistic rights are papamount China takes measures to protect the well being of its population.
BTW Reports suggest that Mr Shaikh was able to travel from UK to Poland to pakistan and China.Mentally ill?
That is your criteria for judging mentally ill? Do you think he received justice and a fair trial?
I expect your response is that it doesn't matter because it was in China so it is up to them.
(Mister, 30 December 2009 11:55
I will refer you to a statement released by the Chinese Embassy in London.
The embassy in London said Shaikh had no previous medical record of mental illness and that his rights and interests had been properly respected.
The statement also said Shaikh, was convicted of a very "serious" drug trafficking. "The amount of heroin he brought into China was 4,030g, enough to cause 26,800 deaths, threatening thousands of families,".
I would also add the latest poll on capital punishment in UK carried out in 2005 was supported by 66.5% of the population.
I'm sure you didn't mean it the way that sounded. But he was British, end of. Not that that should matter. What we are talking about was a sad mad that was murdered. I'll leave it the the likes of KosovoUSA to defend such things but if he only knew that it is the same type of people with concern for morals and humanity that supported intervention in Kosovo then he should be ashamed.
I agree with your coment with exception of word " buster", but I do not blame you, but b92 so called educated staff to let that word posted.
(Kosova-USA)
I agree with you, the death penalty is a medieval punishment which is not effective, you just have to look at the US for that. Also even if you do support the Death penalty, it shouldn't be used for drug smuggling. It is well known that China has poor human rights. Also I think it is important to point out that he he was not British or a Briton, but he was a Pakistani with British citizenship.
The Chinese don’t do anything lightly. Yes, they had a UK national executed for drug smuggling but this is also a message to the UK that China will and can do what it wants. If anyone is interested what China would do if a US citizen was caught – the same!
I would also add the latest poll on capital punishment in UK carried out in 2005 was supported by 66.5% of the population.
(Leonidas, 30 December 2009 14:05)
I remember when the Sun newspaper did a survey on capital punishment in the UK via a questionnaire in its newspaper. It resulted in 99% in support of Capital Punishment. However this is by no means representative of the UK. All that poll tells us is that 99% of Sun readers (aka idiots) who could be bothered responding (minority) supported Capital Punishment, which is very unsurprising.
What I am saying is that surveys and statistics are stupid and useless. Having studied sociology for over 4 years I have had to analyse the relevance and how accurate questionnaires/ surveys are. You have to perform the survey on at least 10% of the population to get a realistic accurate representative results.
So until that happens I don't care what these minor inaccurate polls say because they are of no use.
"Mr Brown is appalled by the death of one drug dealer but he's not appalled by the deaths of thousands of women and children in his illegal wars in Iraq & Afganistan.
China cannot and won't accept
any lectures from the West and Britain must get used to it.
(Leonidas, 29 December 2009 14:00)
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What's this"
And that makes it ok to execute a mentally ill man?
Politics politics politics. How about some humanity for once?
"Someone who is mentally ill must have medical history documented and the doctors which treated him.In his case
there was only the testimony
of family members and nothing else.
He was offered legal representation from the UK he
rejected it and decided to defend himself.
As far as i know China applies the same justice for similar crimes.But the big question you have to ask is why it took the British goverment more than two years to make an appearence.
(Leonidas, 30 December 2009 17:35)"
Really? Honestly? You must have a record? I think you are a broken record.
As for the rest, politics again. Think of the life for once.
"BTW Reports suggest that Mr Shaikh was able to travel from UK to Poland to pakistan and China.Mentally ill?
(Leonidas, 30 December 2009 01:41)
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That is your criteria for judging mentally ill? Do you think he received justice and a fair trial?
I expect your response is that it doesn't matter because it was in China so it is up to them.
But the big question you have to ask is why it took the British goverment more than two years to make an appearence.
(Leonidas, 30 December 2009 17:35)
Because they didn't care and had more important things to deal with.
Well get used to it buster! Why should UK nationals be above Chinese laws? The days of the Opium Wars are long gone.
(lowe, 29 December 2009 10:31)
No one is above the law.
I agree with your coment with exception of word " buster", but I do not blame you, but b92 so called educated staff to let that word posted.
Kosovo-USA - Actually, your comment about B92 staff not being educated is more offensive than any references to Gordon Brown as 'buster' which is just a harmless inoffensive word.
As for this execution I find it very sad because like many Europeans I am against all death penalty. It is barbaric and immoral, and the eye-for-an-eye principle belongs to the Dark Ages.
"Mr Brown is appalled by the death of one drug dealer but he's not appalled by the deaths of thousands of women and children in his illegal wars in Iraq & Afganistan.
China cannot and won't accept
any lectures from the West and Britain must get used to it.
(Leonidas, 29 December 2009 14:00)
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Poor comment (-2)
What's this"
And that makes it ok to execute a mentally ill man?
Politics politics politics. How about some humanity for once?
"Someone who is mentally ill must have medical history documented and the doctors which treated him.In his case
there was only the testimony
of family members and nothing else.
He was offered legal representation from the UK he
rejected it and decided to defend himself.
As far as i know China applies the same justice for similar crimes.But the big question you have to ask is why it took the British goverment more than two years to make an appearence.
(Leonidas, 30 December 2009 17:35)"
Really? Honestly? You must have a record? I think you are a broken record.
As for the rest, politics again. Think of the life for once.
"No one is above the law.
I agree with your coment with exception of word " buster", but I do not blame you, but b92 so called educated staff to let that word posted.
(Kosova-USA, 29 December 2009 13:17) "
I never stop being amazed at some of the replies that I get on b92. This one all but takes the cake! However I've got better things to do than conduct English 101 here.
I strongly disagree here,there is nothing "barbaric" about capital punishment if it is done in a sterile way.
In China the penalty on corruption is death .
Result:Corruption and bureacracy --->zero
, and an economic growth of 10%.
The goals justify the means.
British Prime Minister Gordon Brown said he was "appalled and disappointed" British appeals had been ignored.
B92
Mr Brown is appalled by the death of one drug dealer but he's not appalled by the deaths of thousands of women and children in his illegal wars in Iraq & Afganistan.
China cannot and won't accept
any lectures from the West and Britain must get used to it.
I asked you the questions.
(Mister, 30 December 2009 15:51
Someone who is mentally ill must have medical history documented and the doctors which treated him.In his case
there was only the testimony
of family members and nothing else.
He was offered legal representation from the UK he
rejected it and decided to defend himself.
As far as i know China applies the same justice for similar crimes.But the big question you have to ask is why it took the British goverment more than two years to make an appearence.
But the big question you have to ask is why it took the British goverment more than two years to make an appearence.
(Leonidas, 30 December 2009 17:35)
Because they didn't care and had more important things to deal with.
That is your criteria for judging mentally ill? Do you think he received justice and a fair trial?
I expect your response is that it doesn't matter because it was in China so it is up to them.
(Mister, 30 December 2009 11:55
I will refer you to a statement released by the Chinese Embassy in London.
The embassy in London said Shaikh had no previous medical record of mental illness and that his rights and interests had been properly respected.
The statement also said Shaikh, was convicted of a very "serious" drug trafficking. "The amount of heroin he brought into China was 4,030g, enough to cause 26,800 deaths, threatening thousands of families,".
I would also add the latest poll on capital punishment in UK carried out in 2005 was supported by 66.5% of the population.
I strongly disagree here,there is nothing "barbaric" about capital punishment if it is done in a sterile way.
In China the penalty on corruption is death .
Result:Corruption and bureacracy --->zero
, and an economic growth of 10%.
The goals justify the means.
(CG, 29 December 2009 16:44)
CG,
They gone apparently way to far. Now there will be death penalty for DUI.
http://tinyurl.com/ycrhfr7
In two (in)famous cases of DUI offenders (Bush and Cheney) that could be not a bad idea after all. But they committed more, than drive a car while intoxicated.
Even if DUI alone is a crime not to be taken lightly. In California expect a few thousand Dollars plus insurance go crazy. In Russia quite a few days in sobering station (worse than jail) + quite a few money going to court. But not death penalty.
In general, Chinese have a great sense for survival of the society as such - but the life of individual does not count very much in their law traditionally.
Here our tradition goes a very different way and I am sure, the numerous Chinese immigrants in Belgrade or Budapest enjoy much more humane laws and better treatment than at home. Wish them best in their new homeland.
Mr Brown is appalled by the death of one drug dealer but he's not appalled by the deaths of thousands of women and children in his illegal wars in Iraq & Afganistan.
(Leonidas, 29 December 2009 14:00)
I had not thought about it that way, but Leonidas highlights a particularly sad - yet true irony. Thanks for the thoughts.
I agree with you, the death penalty is a medieval punishment which is not effective, you just have to look at the US for that. Also even if you do support the Death penalty, it shouldn't be used for drug smuggling. It is well known that China has poor human rights. Also I think it is important to point out that he he was not British or a Briton, but he was a Pakistani with British citizenship.
The Chinese don’t do anything lightly. Yes, they had a UK national executed for drug smuggling but this is also a message to the UK that China will and can do what it wants. If anyone is interested what China would do if a US citizen was caught – the same!
I'm sure you didn't mean it the way that sounded. But he was British, end of. Not that that should matter. What we are talking about was a sad mad that was murdered. I'll leave it the the likes of KosovoUSA to defend such things but if he only knew that it is the same type of people with concern for morals and humanity that supported intervention in Kosovo then he should be ashamed.
And that makes it ok to execute a mentally ill man?
Politics politics politics. How about some humanity for once?
(Mister, 29 December 2009 23:34
It's very convenient in modern days to label every drug dealer caught in different parts of the world as a mule,dupe or mentally ill and sympathise with his predicament.
But one has to see China's point of view.As a country it has a huge problem with drugs and unlike the West where individualistic rights are papamount China takes measures to protect the well being of its population.
BTW Reports suggest that Mr Shaikh was able to travel from UK to Poland to pakistan and China.Mentally ill?
"BTW Reports suggest that Mr Shaikh was able to travel from UK to Poland to pakistan and China.Mentally ill?
(Leonidas, 30 December 2009 01:41)
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That is your criteria for judging mentally ill? Do you think he received justice and a fair trial?
I expect your response is that it doesn't matter because it was in China so it is up to them.
I would also add the latest poll on capital punishment in UK carried out in 2005 was supported by 66.5% of the population.
(Leonidas, 30 December 2009 14:05)
I remember when the Sun newspaper did a survey on capital punishment in the UK via a questionnaire in its newspaper. It resulted in 99% in support of Capital Punishment. However this is by no means representative of the UK. All that poll tells us is that 99% of Sun readers (aka idiots) who could be bothered responding (minority) supported Capital Punishment, which is very unsurprising.
What I am saying is that surveys and statistics are stupid and useless. Having studied sociology for over 4 years I have had to analyse the relevance and how accurate questionnaires/ surveys are. You have to perform the survey on at least 10% of the population to get a realistic accurate representative results.
So until that happens I don't care what these minor inaccurate polls say because they are of no use.
I agree with your coment with exception of word " buster", but I do not blame you, but b92 so called educated staff to let that word posted.
(Kosova-USA)
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