No problems,
President Tadic doesn't need an invitation from you to visit our southern province, he is free to come and go as he wishes, it is after all a province of Serbia...
Reading your comment, I've come to realize that very often, you can take someone out of the Balkans but you can't take the Balkans out of that someone.
Speaking of U.S. armaments and NATO, Albania joined NATO last year...and any new military purchases have largely been from France, Italy, Germany, the Netherlands.
As far as Sejdiu's comment, I don't agree with his refusal to invite the Serbian president. It's a given that Serbia will not recognize Kosovo's independence any time soon (if ever), but that doesn't mean that there's nothing else left to discuss between the two parties.
(Ment, 30 December 2009 20:48)
I think - Nemanja is right. It's geopolitics. Look at Georgia. Same situation like Serbia - but very different point of view of USA and West. All time USA speak about Georgia integrity. Why?? Because Georgia is US ally.
Look at Azerbaijan - armenian region of Karabakh is fully independent from Azerbaijan from 15 years!! But all states described Karabakh as "part of Azerbaijan". Why?? Because Azerbaijan have oil fields.
Serbia is not US ally, have any oil fields - so USA don't speaking about Serbia integrity and support separatists (Serbia it's only state on the world where USA/West support separatists).
Reading your comment, I've come to realize that very often, you can take someone out of the Balkans but you can't take the Balkans out of that someone.
Speaking of U.S. armaments and NATO, Albania joined NATO last year...and any new military purchases have largely been from France, Italy, Germany, the Netherlands.
As far as Sejdiu's comment, I don't agree with his refusal to invite the Serbian president. It's a given that Serbia will not recognize Kosovo's independence any time soon (if ever), but that doesn't mean that there's nothing else left to discuss between the two parties.
The U.S. - under the guise of NATO - wants to spread its control over Europe.
Just look at how many European states are providing cannon fodder for America's wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and those that don't are still obliged to 'modernize' their military by spending billions of dollars on U.S. armament before being admitted into NATO.
The U.S. cannot allow Russia to re-assert its influence particularly in its traditional area of involvement, Eastern Europe.
During the 90's - when Russia was at its weakest during its transition to a free market economy - the U.S. had an opportunity to effectively eradicate all Russian influence in Europe.
Serbia - as a small country without a large military threat and historic ally to Russia - needed to made an example of what happens if U.S. dominion is refused.
In effect, the U.S. is sending the following message to these states: 'join us or we will bomb you, kill your people and steal your land and there is nothing that you or Russia can do about it.'
The Yugoslav wars were never really about Serbs or Croats or Albanians. . .they were about superpower nations vying for greater influence in this part of the world and using our people as pawns in this larger game of chess.
You're trying to sell your nonsense post on a Serbian website. . .to Serbs?
From as far back as your conversion to Islam under the Turks to WWI to WWII then to this NATO-sponsored and artificial declaration of dependence, the Albanians have been trying to eradicate the Serbs from their ancestral homes in Kosovo.
Here's evidence from July 1982 - 27 years ago - from the New York Times that clearly attests to your ploy.
[link]
(Nemanja, Connecticut, 29 December 2009 18:42)
Nemanja - It's very interesting how changed USA point of view during 90's. In 1998 US politicians described UCK as a terrorist organisation, but in 1999 they support them...
Of course Sejdiu will not invite Tadic. Sejdiu does not want to give Tadic any chance of representing the Serbian side of Kosovo. The Serbs seem not allowed to have a voice in their own affairs in Kosovo; the ALbanian government of Kosovo seems to make all decisions regarding the Serbs. Sejdiu strongly gives the impression that Kosovo is just Albanian and only for Albanians, even though Serbs have been in Kosovo for many centuries.
I avoid discussing here since many here lack culture of debate and it is impossible to keep a discussion going without being dragged down to their level that includes hate,insults etc.
(A, 29 December 2009 13:16)
Your so called independent Kosovo only survives because of US/EU money and for no other reason. Your so called politicians are all fully paid up by the US and they own them lock stock and barrel, and considering you guys have no friends in Europe you would be left high and dry so you stick to the US like glue. Don’t be deluded just because members of the EU recognized Kosovo the people in those countries don’t have much love for Albanians; not bad to have the majority of Europe disliking you guys.
If you’re so independent why don’t you obtain loans from the IMF or World Bank, considering Kosovo is a member?????? For that matter why don’t you attract foreign investment or ask the US to get one of its many multinationals to open a plant or several in Kosovo for your fellow country men and women to work!!!!!Hmmm!!!
Why doesn’t any one answer my questions! Why doesn’t your US help Albanians with getting jobs in Kosovo. The truth always hurts but Kosovo gets nothing unless Belgrade agrees; the US is only there because of Camp Bondsteel. What are you Albanians going to do when the US leaves???? The EU will not help you.
Enjoy your fantasy while it lasts. By the way that fantasy is not scheduled to last for very long.
Ben, there is not a lot I would agree with you about, but partition is far and away the most logical option for Kosovo. KAs don't want to live under Serbia, just as the Serbs in the north will never tolerate Pristina's rule. Better to let them both go their own way. The Serbs south of the Ibar will have to accept the situation, just as the Albanians in South Serbia will have to accept Belgrade's rule. This is also the best guarantee that both countries will treat their respective minorities well.
"I won't invite him to a meeting of colleagues from the region. There will certainly be other occasions, but I won't invite him just for the sake of it. How do you invite a man who is using all his energy to speak against Kosovo's independence and is doing everything to thwart further recognitions," wondered the Kosovo president during a reception in Priština on Monday."
I see, you only want your fan club there.
Perhaps you can't invite Tadic because he is the real president of Kosovo (being part of Serbia) and not you. It's like inviting your captain to the mutiny.
He wouldn't even dignify you with his appearance there.
“When it comes to Gorans… some of them for econimic reasons started to claim Serb origin.”
Oh, is that why you decided to close all those Gorani language schools? You were worried they were becoming too Serb with those?
The Serb speaking Roma, they must have claimed to be Serb too, that’s why you ethnically cleansed them right?
Reality is “A”, the Albanians are just as bad in their treatment of their minorities as Serbs, or anyone in the Balkans is. Coming onto a Serb website and trying to portray it all as completely Black & White is just downright silly. Most of us have lived in the Balkans and know better. Try posting on FoxNews, I think you’ll find the posters there more on your education level.
Is it inexperience, arrogance or both?
(Roger7, 29 December 2009 16:56)
Of course, neither. The politicians we elect democratically are experienced, wise and not corrupt. And they have the greatest organizing skills. A meeting would never be called on Dec. 24 or January 7.
You're trying to sell your nonsense post on a Serbian website. . .to Serbs?
From as far back as your conversion to Islam under the Turks to WWI to WWII then to this NATO-sponsored and artificial declaration of dependence, the Albanians have been trying to eradicate the Serbs from their ancestral homes in Kosovo.
Here's evidence from July 1982 - 27 years ago - from the New York Times that clearly attests to your ploy.
I can just see this little man stomping his foot and shouting never, never, never, like a little spoiled brat, maybe he even had his fingers in his ears? Whatever, but the day will come when Albanians in Pristina will come to Belgrade, there are some cozy little rooms waiting for them.
"a world wide war in todays circumstances means end of the civilised world."
Artan Sh
I don't know if you are just pullinf oue legs but you actually think the entire world would end because of Kosovo? You are really full of yourself. There are at least a dozen or so conflicts in the world and still no WW3. I would suggest we build a wall around Kosovo and let serbs and albanians fight it out. Who ever wins gets to keep Kosovo. This time without NATO interfearance. Then, and only then, the conflict will end.
I think we should just split kosovo in half the Serbian populated part goes to serbia along with republika srpska we all know its going to happen sooner or later, and the rest of kosovo to the albos i mean its no use having it if someone else s people live there its not like there all of a sudden gonna just leave.
No statemant is too ridiculous that Kosovo representatives wouldn't make. Since they know nobody but RTK gives a penny on their statmens they deliver a storm in a teacup.
"but If Tadic does not have the guts to go in prishtina, how can he claim that Kosova is part of Serbia. So much for this adopted president of yours!" (Kosova-USA)
-- Tell me good sir, when the last time Thaci, Sejdiu or any of these guys had the "guts" to go to Kosovska Mitrovica or Gracanica. These people are, theoretically, part of the "newest borned state", and aren't you all trying to prove that Serbs have a better life in an independent Kosovo than being pawns of Belgrade? But I guess since Hash & Co can't/won't go to the enclaves, we can safely write away sovereign legitimacy on your side too. Zero sum.
sorry to be so bold in comparison but this is what in basic terms why i think we are independent in every sense
(Artan Sh, 29 December 2009 16:10)
Good for you, Artan. But let me slightly modify your wording and you will see, this sword has two edges and both are very sharp and dangerous.
But I will try to keep it simple for you all what independence means.
1. it means Serbs south of Ibar can't wake up and not have a worry.
2. Serbs south of Ibar can't go out of their house
3. Serbs south of Ibar are often threatened by their Albanian neibours
4. Serbs south of Ibar can't go to school, uni and study what they like. Except if that school and uni that actually is one and not their cousins house or an establishment North of Ibar
5. Serbs south of Ibar can't walk/travel enjoy every cm they travel within kosovo and dont worry about being stopped by KPS police and be harassed threatened/accused/ have a penalty to pay oh and my most memorable one pay them a bribe just cause they demanded one.
6. it means Serbs south of Ibar now do not have a police station they can go and report to.
7. means Serbs south of Ibar can't work/think/object do as they want within the law.
8. it means Serbs south of Ibar have to live with being called "Shkija" publicly.
9. Serbs south of Ibar have own government- as "illegal" as it is often presented, that it might be they sure stand representing them. one may argue curruption/ MUP, etc guess what no one's perfect, in actual fact considering the nature to how they got to be represented they are doing better than expected. what i mean by this is that it couldve been worse since who is in Albanian "regime" have been associated with executed-style killings, drugs, and other illegal activities for well over a decade.
10.UN/EU member- do i think will Kosovo be in a position to join soon answer is -NO. since im a realist i believe in peoples will to live a free without any of the above day to day dilemmas and obstacles Serbs south of Ibar used to have. And writing 'used to' DOES NOT sound a thing of past.
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i dont doubt you realise that to go back the old days of oppresion means another war, another war in the balkan means regional war, another regional war mean european war, a european war means world wide war, a world wide war in todays circumstances means end of the civilised world.
(Artan Sh, 29 December 2009 16:10)
As you see from my re-writing, nothing really changed, just essentially got worse.
The "old days of oppression" were very painful for you because SFRJ was till late 80-s free of such things, so common in USSR, Romania, GDR, Czechoslovakia, heck - even in Poland and Hungary. The oppression Milosevic did apply was the "usual" terror we were so familiar with. He was a commie apparatchik, even if he hated Russia so much. (No joke! This fact was known and ridiculed many times).
On the other hand what Serbs in Kosovo do experience has more to do with revenge.
Unfortunately the current solution is not a solution either. As much as Albanians have their dream, so do Serbs. These dreams do have quite a few conflicts. How far these conflicts can be managed - I do not know. What I am sure, so far no "world power" did step in without being not selfish and the agenda was everything, but how to manage the conflict.
I did voice my view on that several times and let me repeat it again.
- Separating Serbian and Albanian communities by wall/fences/etc. won't work because there will be just way to many walls/fences.
- Creating new countries won't work because there will be "pockets" inside of each country. See Grachanica or Bujanovac.
- As far as I know, Georgi Dimitrov, JBT and Enver Hoxha did agree about "Balkan Confederation". At the end it did not work out because neither USSR nor USA was happy about it. And the fate of Tito's creation (SFRJ) was not happy.
Instead of carving out new countrylets (why not Republik Ulqinj within Montenegro or Republika Severno Kosovo?) the much better solution is to work on much better union than it was before and make the problems above simply impossible.
A good start for the countries of ex-YU + Bulgaria + Albania would be to look at the constitution of USA. That worked so far over 200 years, not perfectly, but still kind of working. Why not make somewhat even better...
WARNING: the "world powers" will be very-very unhappy about it, but screw them. Not many ideas of Enver Hoxha or Dimitrov or Tito were good, but this is one.
i realise now that even though the news threads are usually to comment about the article it self, but it always seems people cant help but try to impose he "good old fashioned" discriminatory language towards the other, in this case the Albanians.
Guys on pro-serb camp seem to always bring up the doubt of our independence in Kosova. have you ever wondered and questioned your self what does independent mean to you? Well while you think of the meaning of your independence, i can certainly elaborate on my and the other 2 million citizens or so.
well ill try and keep it simple for you all what independence means.
1. it means i can wake up and not have a worry.
2. i can go out of my house
3. i do not need to threatened by my serbian neibour anymore
4. ican go to school, uni and study what i like, Note: a school and uni that actually is one and not my cousins house.
5. i can walk/travel enjoy every cm i travel within kosovo and dont worry about being stopped by MUP police and be harassed threatened/accused/ have a penalty to pay oh and my most memorable one pay them a bribe just cause they demanded one.
6.it means i now have a police station i can go and report to if im in bother.
7. means i can work/think/object do as i want within the law.
8. it means we have a genuine TV channels that tells the news as it is no-more RTS calling us Shiptari on national television.
9. have our own government- as 'puppet-y' that it might be they sure stand in the capital representing us. one may argue curruption/ exKLA, etc guess what no one's perfect, in actual fact considering the nature to how we got to be independent we are doing better than expected. what i mean by this is that it couldve been worse since you the serbian regime have detached/oppressed/executed our political rank for a decade.
10.UN/EU member- do i think will we be in a position to join soon answer is -NO. since im a realist i believe in peoples will to live a free without any of the above day to day dilemmas and obstacles we used to have, even writing 'used to' sound a thing of past.
So why did i mention UN/EU you might wonder, simply because most of the Pro-serbs here dont actually realise that the to us the free of serbian regime means by far more than being a meber of any of the above pseudos. i dont doubt you realise that to go back the old days of oppresion means another war, another war in the balkan means regional war, another regional war mean european war, a european war means world wide war, a world wide war in todays circumstances means end of the civilised world.
sorry to be so bold in comparison but this is what in basic terms why i think we are independent in every sense, and guess what its only going to get easier as more times passes by.
Ataman,
I agree it was a pretty dumb move.
It was just as dumb scheduling this during the celebration of old calendar Christmas. Is it inexperience, arrogance or both?
Actually,i don't agree with President Sejdiu.He should have invited Serbian President Tadic,just to see if he has what it takes and to attend thE mini-summit. Like they say; " No Guts no Glory".
(Kosova-USA, 29 December 2009 13:01)
This is correct. And I am sure, US Embassy is not delighted. So it was a pretty dumb move.
I understand that it is difficult for many Serbs to accept the reality and instead they construct in their mind an imaginary world where Serbia stretches from North Pole to South Pole. About time to wake up and face the reality on the ground.
It is quite extraordinary but it was the case in Kosovo; no Albanian politican or political party opposed the independence. In other countries it is much more likely to have a divide within the polical spectrum but not in Kosovo because the independence was wanted by vaste, vaste majority of the population, including Turks, Roma, Bosnjaks etc.
When it comes to Gorans, they constitute an extremely small minority and they right now have a quite diffused identity. Many of them have 4 citizenships (Kosovo, Serbia, Macedonia, Bulgaria). They have never presented themselfes as Serbs until recently when some of them for econimic reasons started to claim Serb origin. But this did not help in the wake of 2004 unrest and 2008 Kosovo Independence riots in Serbia when their shops all over Serbia were attacked and they considered Albanians by their supposed brothers the Serbs.
I avoid discussing here since many here lack culture of debate and it is impossible to keep a discussion going without being dragged down to their level that includes hate,insults etc.
Actually,i don't agree with President Sejdiu.He should have invited Serbian President Tadic,just to see if he has what it takes and to attend thE mini-summit. Like they say; " No Guts no Glory".
Oh noooo! This is horrible for Tadic and the Serbian nation. I think that Tadic would have come right away if invited. Poor guy was sitting all day long waiting for the mailman to show up. How is Serbia going to manage without the albanians. Poor, poor Tadic :(
very disappointing comments on President Sejdiu, like it or not he is the leader of Kosova and nothing will change that.
Serbians should be disappointed, Tadic should apologise to the Kosovaer Albanians for the atrocities the serbs committed and for gods sake stop dreaming of greater Serbia lets us all join the EU and there will be no boarders and divides in the balkans... this cannot be reached without Kosovo and Serbia having good neibourly relations the EU will not bring in this issues into their close membership even though they now say 'Kosovo's European future is not balanced on Serbia recognising it and vice versa for Serbia' but it will never ever happen without the two countries working together to sort differences... and for those of you that are thinking new talks on status, that will never happen Kosovo has been recognised by the most democratic and free countries in the world and 22 out of 27 EU countries and the countries that haven't recognised Kosovo are China, Rusia, Azerbajan etc etc need i say more...
"Sejdiu says that the principled position of the leaders and institutions of Kosovo is to have "good relations with Serbia".
Keep dreaming! You try and steal territory that belongs to the Serbs and you want good relations! The only relation Serbia will have with Sejdiu is when they send him to Serbian justice.
This was a declaration against Prime minister of Albania - Sali Berisha who invited Boris Tadic for a formal visit in Albania, Sali Berisha also declared that the request of Albanians living outside borders is ridiculous, this declaration of Mr. Sejdiu give points to Albanian opposition party which claims election recount and are boycotting the parliament since June
B92 keeps misinforming. It wasn't only Albanians who declared the independence. The independence was declared by all ethnic groups in Kosovo except Serbs. Turks, Bosnjaks and Roma voted in favour of independence on February 17th 2008.
(A, 29 December 2009 11:11) "
The Roma, Turks and Gorani are predominantly pro-Kosovo being a part of Serbia. The majority of the ALbanians I bet were against "independence" until it was forced upon them at gun point by your beloved KLA. How dare you?
Please note KosovO is not ndependent and the only people benefiting are the criminals in Pristina and those involved in criminal clans. Even that has an end!
Read up
http://www.economicexpert.com/a/Gorani:Kosovo.html
The independence was declared by all ethnic groups in Kosovo except Serbs.
(A, 29 December 2009 11:11)
--
Keep dreaming my friend. You seem to have missed the Gorani ethnic group. They are all loyal Serbian citizens and Albanians continue to persecute them.
And what about the Jews in Kosovo? Here is an extract:
"Jews have lived securely when Kosovo was under Serbian rule, and were driven from their homes which were then pillaged and vandalized during the war and after. The KFOR saw it all and allowed it to happen..." Check http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_Kosovo
I guess you really have not been up north lately... he can simply drive right through Gates 1 and 31 into Kosovo and that's that. Pristina be damned:)
(Jason, 29 December 2009 12:19)
Well said anddone,but If Tadic does not have the guts to go in prishtina, how can he claim that Kosova is part of Serbia. So much for this adopted president of yours! Have you ever thought of provinding close protection so he can visit his beloved it Prishtina?
Ops,he can only as private citizen of Serbia.
"We are always ready to invest in good neighbourly relations, but never, never, never, I strongly repeat, never, to talk about subjects that they want to set to the agenda, such as new negotiations or the issue of Kosovo's status," said Sejdiu.
==
When the time comes for renewed status negotiations, you Sejdiu will no longer be a "politician" and neither will Thaci.
The people of Kosovo will speak up sooner or later as they cannot live in isolation for all of their lives. It will not be up to those nationalists living in the West or delusional K-Albanian "politicians" but the people who actually live there. If this doesn't happen soon, K-Albanians will look for ways to exit the province.
This hope of "independence" will never happen and when that is realised there will be no other choice but the negotiating table. The sooner this happens the quicker our province will be on the path to peace and prosperity.
B92 keeps misinforming. It wasn't only Albanians who declared the independence. The independence was declared by all ethnic groups in Kosovo except Serbs. Turks, Bosnjaks and Roma voted in favour of independence on February 17th 2008.
Who is he inviting; well all losers like him. Not one financially viable state in the Balkans so what are they going to talk about – perhaps the weather or new ways of smuggling drugs or human cargo or money laundering.
Sejdiu might spend your time getting your beloved US to open new factories so that your Albanians can find work. Oh! that’s another big no; that right you can’t do a thing without Belgrade’s approval. So the only thing left is a talk fest, eating and drinking.
B92 keeps misinforming. It wasn't only Albanians who declared the independence. The independence was declared by all ethnic groups in Kosovo except Serbs. Turks, Bosnjaks and Roma voted in favour of independence on February 17th 2008.
(A, 29 December 2009 11:11) "
The Romas too you say? And this is how you repay them? --> http://www.hrw.org/en/news/2009/09/07/kosovo-investigate-attacks-roma
Sejdiu is a bogus clan leader full of self-importance. The true president of Kosovo-Metohija is and always will be the president of all Serbia, a position that is currently held by Boris Tadic. Nothing that Pristina says or does will change that fact; not even their unilateral declaration of greater Albania.
Sejdiu is a bogus clan leader full of self-importance. The true president of Kosovo-Metohija is and always will be the president of all Serbia, a position that is currently held by Boris Tadic. Nothing that Pristina says or does will change that fact; not even their unilateral declaration of greater Albania.
Oh noooo! This is horrible for Tadic and the Serbian nation. I think that Tadic would have come right away if invited. Poor guy was sitting all day long waiting for the mailman to show up. How is Serbia going to manage without the albanians. Poor, poor Tadic :(
The independence was declared by all ethnic groups in Kosovo except Serbs.
(A, 29 December 2009 11:11)
--
Keep dreaming my friend. You seem to have missed the Gorani ethnic group. They are all loyal Serbian citizens and Albanians continue to persecute them.
And what about the Jews in Kosovo? Here is an extract:
"Jews have lived securely when Kosovo was under Serbian rule, and were driven from their homes which were then pillaged and vandalized during the war and after. The KFOR saw it all and allowed it to happen..." Check http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_Kosovo
B92 keeps misinforming. It wasn't only Albanians who declared the independence. The independence was declared by all ethnic groups in Kosovo except Serbs. Turks, Bosnjaks and Roma voted in favour of independence on February 17th 2008.
(A, 29 December 2009 11:11) "
The Roma, Turks and Gorani are predominantly pro-Kosovo being a part of Serbia. The majority of the ALbanians I bet were against "independence" until it was forced upon them at gun point by your beloved KLA. How dare you?
Please note KosovO is not ndependent and the only people benefiting are the criminals in Pristina and those involved in criminal clans. Even that has an end!
Read up
http://www.economicexpert.com/a/Gorani:Kosovo.html
i realise now that even though the news threads are usually to comment about the article it self, but it always seems people cant help but try to impose he "good old fashioned" discriminatory language towards the other, in this case the Albanians.
Guys on pro-serb camp seem to always bring up the doubt of our independence in Kosova. have you ever wondered and questioned your self what does independent mean to you? Well while you think of the meaning of your independence, i can certainly elaborate on my and the other 2 million citizens or so.
well ill try and keep it simple for you all what independence means.
1. it means i can wake up and not have a worry.
2. i can go out of my house
3. i do not need to threatened by my serbian neibour anymore
4. ican go to school, uni and study what i like, Note: a school and uni that actually is one and not my cousins house.
5. i can walk/travel enjoy every cm i travel within kosovo and dont worry about being stopped by MUP police and be harassed threatened/accused/ have a penalty to pay oh and my most memorable one pay them a bribe just cause they demanded one.
6.it means i now have a police station i can go and report to if im in bother.
7. means i can work/think/object do as i want within the law.
8. it means we have a genuine TV channels that tells the news as it is no-more RTS calling us Shiptari on national television.
9. have our own government- as 'puppet-y' that it might be they sure stand in the capital representing us. one may argue curruption/ exKLA, etc guess what no one's perfect, in actual fact considering the nature to how we got to be independent we are doing better than expected. what i mean by this is that it couldve been worse since you the serbian regime have detached/oppressed/executed our political rank for a decade.
10.UN/EU member- do i think will we be in a position to join soon answer is -NO. since im a realist i believe in peoples will to live a free without any of the above day to day dilemmas and obstacles we used to have, even writing 'used to' sound a thing of past.
So why did i mention UN/EU you might wonder, simply because most of the Pro-serbs here dont actually realise that the to us the free of serbian regime means by far more than being a meber of any of the above pseudos. i dont doubt you realise that to go back the old days of oppresion means another war, another war in the balkan means regional war, another regional war mean european war, a european war means world wide war, a world wide war in todays circumstances means end of the civilised world.
sorry to be so bold in comparison but this is what in basic terms why i think we are independent in every sense, and guess what its only going to get easier as more times passes by.
B92 keeps misinforming. It wasn't only Albanians who declared the independence. The independence was declared by all ethnic groups in Kosovo except Serbs. Turks, Bosnjaks and Roma voted in favour of independence on February 17th 2008.
B92 keeps misinforming. It wasn't only Albanians who declared the independence. The independence was declared by all ethnic groups in Kosovo except Serbs. Turks, Bosnjaks and Roma voted in favour of independence on February 17th 2008.
(A, 29 December 2009 11:11) "
The Romas too you say? And this is how you repay them? --> http://www.hrw.org/en/news/2009/09/07/kosovo-investigate-attacks-roma
"Sejdiu says that the principled position of the leaders and institutions of Kosovo is to have "good relations with Serbia".
Keep dreaming! You try and steal territory that belongs to the Serbs and you want good relations! The only relation Serbia will have with Sejdiu is when they send him to Serbian justice.
"We are always ready to invest in good neighbourly relations, but never, never, never, I strongly repeat, never, to talk about subjects that they want to set to the agenda, such as new negotiations or the issue of Kosovo's status," said Sejdiu.
==
When the time comes for renewed status negotiations, you Sejdiu will no longer be a "politician" and neither will Thaci.
The people of Kosovo will speak up sooner or later as they cannot live in isolation for all of their lives. It will not be up to those nationalists living in the West or delusional K-Albanian "politicians" but the people who actually live there. If this doesn't happen soon, K-Albanians will look for ways to exit the province.
This hope of "independence" will never happen and when that is realised there will be no other choice but the negotiating table. The sooner this happens the quicker our province will be on the path to peace and prosperity.
Actually,i don't agree with President Sejdiu.He should have invited Serbian President Tadic,just to see if he has what it takes and to attend thE mini-summit. Like they say; " No Guts no Glory".
(Kosova-USA, 29 December 2009 13:01)
This is correct. And I am sure, US Embassy is not delighted. So it was a pretty dumb move.
Who is he inviting; well all losers like him. Not one financially viable state in the Balkans so what are they going to talk about – perhaps the weather or new ways of smuggling drugs or human cargo or money laundering.
Sejdiu might spend your time getting your beloved US to open new factories so that your Albanians can find work. Oh! that’s another big no; that right you can’t do a thing without Belgrade’s approval. So the only thing left is a talk fest, eating and drinking.
I understand that it is difficult for many Serbs to accept the reality and instead they construct in their mind an imaginary world where Serbia stretches from North Pole to South Pole. About time to wake up and face the reality on the ground.
It is quite extraordinary but it was the case in Kosovo; no Albanian politican or political party opposed the independence. In other countries it is much more likely to have a divide within the polical spectrum but not in Kosovo because the independence was wanted by vaste, vaste majority of the population, including Turks, Roma, Bosnjaks etc.
When it comes to Gorans, they constitute an extremely small minority and they right now have a quite diffused identity. Many of them have 4 citizenships (Kosovo, Serbia, Macedonia, Bulgaria). They have never presented themselfes as Serbs until recently when some of them for econimic reasons started to claim Serb origin. But this did not help in the wake of 2004 unrest and 2008 Kosovo Independence riots in Serbia when their shops all over Serbia were attacked and they considered Albanians by their supposed brothers the Serbs.
I avoid discussing here since many here lack culture of debate and it is impossible to keep a discussion going without being dragged down to their level that includes hate,insults etc.
Actually,i don't agree with President Sejdiu.He should have invited Serbian President Tadic,just to see if he has what it takes and to attend thE mini-summit. Like they say; " No Guts no Glory".
sorry to be so bold in comparison but this is what in basic terms why i think we are independent in every sense
(Artan Sh, 29 December 2009 16:10)
Good for you, Artan. But let me slightly modify your wording and you will see, this sword has two edges and both are very sharp and dangerous.
But I will try to keep it simple for you all what independence means.
1. it means Serbs south of Ibar can't wake up and not have a worry.
2. Serbs south of Ibar can't go out of their house
3. Serbs south of Ibar are often threatened by their Albanian neibours
4. Serbs south of Ibar can't go to school, uni and study what they like. Except if that school and uni that actually is one and not their cousins house or an establishment North of Ibar
5. Serbs south of Ibar can't walk/travel enjoy every cm they travel within kosovo and dont worry about being stopped by KPS police and be harassed threatened/accused/ have a penalty to pay oh and my most memorable one pay them a bribe just cause they demanded one.
6. it means Serbs south of Ibar now do not have a police station they can go and report to.
7. means Serbs south of Ibar can't work/think/object do as they want within the law.
8. it means Serbs south of Ibar have to live with being called "Shkija" publicly.
9. Serbs south of Ibar have own government- as "illegal" as it is often presented, that it might be they sure stand representing them. one may argue curruption/ MUP, etc guess what no one's perfect, in actual fact considering the nature to how they got to be represented they are doing better than expected. what i mean by this is that it couldve been worse since who is in Albanian "regime" have been associated with executed-style killings, drugs, and other illegal activities for well over a decade.
10.UN/EU member- do i think will Kosovo be in a position to join soon answer is -NO. since im a realist i believe in peoples will to live a free without any of the above day to day dilemmas and obstacles Serbs south of Ibar used to have. And writing 'used to' DOES NOT sound a thing of past.
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i dont doubt you realise that to go back the old days of oppresion means another war, another war in the balkan means regional war, another regional war mean european war, a european war means world wide war, a world wide war in todays circumstances means end of the civilised world.
(Artan Sh, 29 December 2009 16:10)
As you see from my re-writing, nothing really changed, just essentially got worse.
The "old days of oppression" were very painful for you because SFRJ was till late 80-s free of such things, so common in USSR, Romania, GDR, Czechoslovakia, heck - even in Poland and Hungary. The oppression Milosevic did apply was the "usual" terror we were so familiar with. He was a commie apparatchik, even if he hated Russia so much. (No joke! This fact was known and ridiculed many times).
On the other hand what Serbs in Kosovo do experience has more to do with revenge.
Unfortunately the current solution is not a solution either. As much as Albanians have their dream, so do Serbs. These dreams do have quite a few conflicts. How far these conflicts can be managed - I do not know. What I am sure, so far no "world power" did step in without being not selfish and the agenda was everything, but how to manage the conflict.
I did voice my view on that several times and let me repeat it again.
- Separating Serbian and Albanian communities by wall/fences/etc. won't work because there will be just way to many walls/fences.
- Creating new countries won't work because there will be "pockets" inside of each country. See Grachanica or Bujanovac.
- As far as I know, Georgi Dimitrov, JBT and Enver Hoxha did agree about "Balkan Confederation". At the end it did not work out because neither USSR nor USA was happy about it. And the fate of Tito's creation (SFRJ) was not happy.
Instead of carving out new countrylets (why not Republik Ulqinj within Montenegro or Republika Severno Kosovo?) the much better solution is to work on much better union than it was before and make the problems above simply impossible.
A good start for the countries of ex-YU + Bulgaria + Albania would be to look at the constitution of USA. That worked so far over 200 years, not perfectly, but still kind of working. Why not make somewhat even better...
WARNING: the "world powers" will be very-very unhappy about it, but screw them. Not many ideas of Enver Hoxha or Dimitrov or Tito were good, but this is one.
I can just see this little man stomping his foot and shouting never, never, never, like a little spoiled brat, maybe he even had his fingers in his ears? Whatever, but the day will come when Albanians in Pristina will come to Belgrade, there are some cozy little rooms waiting for them.
very disappointing comments on President Sejdiu, like it or not he is the leader of Kosova and nothing will change that.
Serbians should be disappointed, Tadic should apologise to the Kosovaer Albanians for the atrocities the serbs committed and for gods sake stop dreaming of greater Serbia lets us all join the EU and there will be no boarders and divides in the balkans... this cannot be reached without Kosovo and Serbia having good neibourly relations the EU will not bring in this issues into their close membership even though they now say 'Kosovo's European future is not balanced on Serbia recognising it and vice versa for Serbia' but it will never ever happen without the two countries working together to sort differences... and for those of you that are thinking new talks on status, that will never happen Kosovo has been recognised by the most democratic and free countries in the world and 22 out of 27 EU countries and the countries that haven't recognised Kosovo are China, Rusia, Azerbajan etc etc need i say more...
“When it comes to Gorans… some of them for econimic reasons started to claim Serb origin.”
Oh, is that why you decided to close all those Gorani language schools? You were worried they were becoming too Serb with those?
The Serb speaking Roma, they must have claimed to be Serb too, that’s why you ethnically cleansed them right?
Reality is “A”, the Albanians are just as bad in their treatment of their minorities as Serbs, or anyone in the Balkans is. Coming onto a Serb website and trying to portray it all as completely Black & White is just downright silly. Most of us have lived in the Balkans and know better. Try posting on FoxNews, I think you’ll find the posters there more on your education level.
"a world wide war in todays circumstances means end of the civilised world."
Artan Sh
I don't know if you are just pullinf oue legs but you actually think the entire world would end because of Kosovo? You are really full of yourself. There are at least a dozen or so conflicts in the world and still no WW3. I would suggest we build a wall around Kosovo and let serbs and albanians fight it out. Who ever wins gets to keep Kosovo. This time without NATO interfearance. Then, and only then, the conflict will end.
I guess you really have not been up north lately... he can simply drive right through Gates 1 and 31 into Kosovo and that's that. Pristina be damned:)
(Jason, 29 December 2009 12:19)
Well said anddone,but If Tadic does not have the guts to go in prishtina, how can he claim that Kosova is part of Serbia. So much for this adopted president of yours! Have you ever thought of provinding close protection so he can visit his beloved it Prishtina?
Ops,he can only as private citizen of Serbia.
"but If Tadic does not have the guts to go in prishtina, how can he claim that Kosova is part of Serbia. So much for this adopted president of yours!" (Kosova-USA)
-- Tell me good sir, when the last time Thaci, Sejdiu or any of these guys had the "guts" to go to Kosovska Mitrovica or Gracanica. These people are, theoretically, part of the "newest borned state", and aren't you all trying to prove that Serbs have a better life in an independent Kosovo than being pawns of Belgrade? But I guess since Hash & Co can't/won't go to the enclaves, we can safely write away sovereign legitimacy on your side too. Zero sum.
Of course Sejdiu will not invite Tadic. Sejdiu does not want to give Tadic any chance of representing the Serbian side of Kosovo. The Serbs seem not allowed to have a voice in their own affairs in Kosovo; the ALbanian government of Kosovo seems to make all decisions regarding the Serbs. Sejdiu strongly gives the impression that Kosovo is just Albanian and only for Albanians, even though Serbs have been in Kosovo for many centuries.
You're trying to sell your nonsense post on a Serbian website. . .to Serbs?
From as far back as your conversion to Islam under the Turks to WWI to WWII then to this NATO-sponsored and artificial declaration of dependence, the Albanians have been trying to eradicate the Serbs from their ancestral homes in Kosovo.
Here's evidence from July 1982 - 27 years ago - from the New York Times that clearly attests to your ploy.
"I won't invite him to a meeting of colleagues from the region. There will certainly be other occasions, but I won't invite him just for the sake of it. How do you invite a man who is using all his energy to speak against Kosovo's independence and is doing everything to thwart further recognitions," wondered the Kosovo president during a reception in Priština on Monday."
I see, you only want your fan club there.
Perhaps you can't invite Tadic because he is the real president of Kosovo (being part of Serbia) and not you. It's like inviting your captain to the mutiny.
He wouldn't even dignify you with his appearance there.
No statemant is too ridiculous that Kosovo representatives wouldn't make. Since they know nobody but RTK gives a penny on their statmens they deliver a storm in a teacup.
I avoid discussing here since many here lack culture of debate and it is impossible to keep a discussion going without being dragged down to their level that includes hate,insults etc.
(A, 29 December 2009 13:16)
Your so called independent Kosovo only survives because of US/EU money and for no other reason. Your so called politicians are all fully paid up by the US and they own them lock stock and barrel, and considering you guys have no friends in Europe you would be left high and dry so you stick to the US like glue. Don’t be deluded just because members of the EU recognized Kosovo the people in those countries don’t have much love for Albanians; not bad to have the majority of Europe disliking you guys.
If you’re so independent why don’t you obtain loans from the IMF or World Bank, considering Kosovo is a member?????? For that matter why don’t you attract foreign investment or ask the US to get one of its many multinationals to open a plant or several in Kosovo for your fellow country men and women to work!!!!!Hmmm!!!
Why doesn’t any one answer my questions! Why doesn’t your US help Albanians with getting jobs in Kosovo. The truth always hurts but Kosovo gets nothing unless Belgrade agrees; the US is only there because of Camp Bondsteel. What are you Albanians going to do when the US leaves???? The EU will not help you.
Enjoy your fantasy while it lasts. By the way that fantasy is not scheduled to last for very long.
You're trying to sell your nonsense post on a Serbian website. . .to Serbs?
From as far back as your conversion to Islam under the Turks to WWI to WWII then to this NATO-sponsored and artificial declaration of dependence, the Albanians have been trying to eradicate the Serbs from their ancestral homes in Kosovo.
Here's evidence from July 1982 - 27 years ago - from the New York Times that clearly attests to your ploy.
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(Nemanja, Connecticut, 29 December 2009 18:42)
Nemanja - It's very interesting how changed USA point of view during 90's. In 1998 US politicians described UCK as a terrorist organisation, but in 1999 they support them...
Ataman,
I agree it was a pretty dumb move.
It was just as dumb scheduling this during the celebration of old calendar Christmas. Is it inexperience, arrogance or both?
The U.S. - under the guise of NATO - wants to spread its control over Europe.
Just look at how many European states are providing cannon fodder for America's wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and those that don't are still obliged to 'modernize' their military by spending billions of dollars on U.S. armament before being admitted into NATO.
The U.S. cannot allow Russia to re-assert its influence particularly in its traditional area of involvement, Eastern Europe.
During the 90's - when Russia was at its weakest during its transition to a free market economy - the U.S. had an opportunity to effectively eradicate all Russian influence in Europe.
Serbia - as a small country without a large military threat and historic ally to Russia - needed to made an example of what happens if U.S. dominion is refused.
In effect, the U.S. is sending the following message to these states: 'join us or we will bomb you, kill your people and steal your land and there is nothing that you or Russia can do about it.'
The Yugoslav wars were never really about Serbs or Croats or Albanians. . .they were about superpower nations vying for greater influence in this part of the world and using our people as pawns in this larger game of chess.
This was a declaration against Prime minister of Albania - Sali Berisha who invited Boris Tadic for a formal visit in Albania, Sali Berisha also declared that the request of Albanians living outside borders is ridiculous, this declaration of Mr. Sejdiu give points to Albanian opposition party which claims election recount and are boycotting the parliament since June
Is it inexperience, arrogance or both?
(Roger7, 29 December 2009 16:56)
Of course, neither. The politicians we elect democratically are experienced, wise and not corrupt. And they have the greatest organizing skills. A meeting would never be called on Dec. 24 or January 7.
I think we should just split kosovo in half the Serbian populated part goes to serbia along with republika srpska we all know its going to happen sooner or later, and the rest of kosovo to the albos i mean its no use having it if someone else s people live there its not like there all of a sudden gonna just leave.
Reading your comment, I've come to realize that very often, you can take someone out of the Balkans but you can't take the Balkans out of that someone.
Speaking of U.S. armaments and NATO, Albania joined NATO last year...and any new military purchases have largely been from France, Italy, Germany, the Netherlands.
As far as Sejdiu's comment, I don't agree with his refusal to invite the Serbian president. It's a given that Serbia will not recognize Kosovo's independence any time soon (if ever), but that doesn't mean that there's nothing else left to discuss between the two parties.
(Ment, 30 December 2009 20:48)
I think - Nemanja is right. It's geopolitics. Look at Georgia. Same situation like Serbia - but very different point of view of USA and West. All time USA speak about Georgia integrity. Why?? Because Georgia is US ally.
Look at Azerbaijan - armenian region of Karabakh is fully independent from Azerbaijan from 15 years!! But all states described Karabakh as "part of Azerbaijan". Why?? Because Azerbaijan have oil fields.
Serbia is not US ally, have any oil fields - so USA don't speaking about Serbia integrity and support separatists (Serbia it's only state on the world where USA/West support separatists).
No problems,
President Tadic doesn't need an invitation from you to visit our southern province, he is free to come and go as he wishes, it is after all a province of Serbia...
Ben, there is not a lot I would agree with you about, but partition is far and away the most logical option for Kosovo. KAs don't want to live under Serbia, just as the Serbs in the north will never tolerate Pristina's rule. Better to let them both go their own way. The Serbs south of the Ibar will have to accept the situation, just as the Albanians in South Serbia will have to accept Belgrade's rule. This is also the best guarantee that both countries will treat their respective minorities well.
Reading your comment, I've come to realize that very often, you can take someone out of the Balkans but you can't take the Balkans out of that someone.
Speaking of U.S. armaments and NATO, Albania joined NATO last year...and any new military purchases have largely been from France, Italy, Germany, the Netherlands.
As far as Sejdiu's comment, I don't agree with his refusal to invite the Serbian president. It's a given that Serbia will not recognize Kosovo's independence any time soon (if ever), but that doesn't mean that there's nothing else left to discuss between the two parties.
B92 keeps misinforming. It wasn't only Albanians who declared the independence. The independence was declared by all ethnic groups in Kosovo except Serbs. Turks, Bosnjaks and Roma voted in favour of independence on February 17th 2008.
I guess you really have not been up north lately... he can simply drive right through Gates 1 and 31 into Kosovo and that's that. Pristina be damned:)
(Jason, 29 December 2009 12:19)
Well said anddone,but If Tadic does not have the guts to go in prishtina, how can he claim that Kosova is part of Serbia. So much for this adopted president of yours! Have you ever thought of provinding close protection so he can visit his beloved it Prishtina?
Ops,he can only as private citizen of Serbia.
very disappointing comments on President Sejdiu, like it or not he is the leader of Kosova and nothing will change that.
Serbians should be disappointed, Tadic should apologise to the Kosovaer Albanians for the atrocities the serbs committed and for gods sake stop dreaming of greater Serbia lets us all join the EU and there will be no boarders and divides in the balkans... this cannot be reached without Kosovo and Serbia having good neibourly relations the EU will not bring in this issues into their close membership even though they now say 'Kosovo's European future is not balanced on Serbia recognising it and vice versa for Serbia' but it will never ever happen without the two countries working together to sort differences... and for those of you that are thinking new talks on status, that will never happen Kosovo has been recognised by the most democratic and free countries in the world and 22 out of 27 EU countries and the countries that haven't recognised Kosovo are China, Rusia, Azerbajan etc etc need i say more...
"Sejdiu says that the principled position of the leaders and institutions of Kosovo is to have "good relations with Serbia".
Keep dreaming! You try and steal territory that belongs to the Serbs and you want good relations! The only relation Serbia will have with Sejdiu is when they send him to Serbian justice.
i realise now that even though the news threads are usually to comment about the article it self, but it always seems people cant help but try to impose he "good old fashioned" discriminatory language towards the other, in this case the Albanians.
Guys on pro-serb camp seem to always bring up the doubt of our independence in Kosova. have you ever wondered and questioned your self what does independent mean to you? Well while you think of the meaning of your independence, i can certainly elaborate on my and the other 2 million citizens or so.
well ill try and keep it simple for you all what independence means.
1. it means i can wake up and not have a worry.
2. i can go out of my house
3. i do not need to threatened by my serbian neibour anymore
4. ican go to school, uni and study what i like, Note: a school and uni that actually is one and not my cousins house.
5. i can walk/travel enjoy every cm i travel within kosovo and dont worry about being stopped by MUP police and be harassed threatened/accused/ have a penalty to pay oh and my most memorable one pay them a bribe just cause they demanded one.
6.it means i now have a police station i can go and report to if im in bother.
7. means i can work/think/object do as i want within the law.
8. it means we have a genuine TV channels that tells the news as it is no-more RTS calling us Shiptari on national television.
9. have our own government- as 'puppet-y' that it might be they sure stand in the capital representing us. one may argue curruption/ exKLA, etc guess what no one's perfect, in actual fact considering the nature to how we got to be independent we are doing better than expected. what i mean by this is that it couldve been worse since you the serbian regime have detached/oppressed/executed our political rank for a decade.
10.UN/EU member- do i think will we be in a position to join soon answer is -NO. since im a realist i believe in peoples will to live a free without any of the above day to day dilemmas and obstacles we used to have, even writing 'used to' sound a thing of past.
So why did i mention UN/EU you might wonder, simply because most of the Pro-serbs here dont actually realise that the to us the free of serbian regime means by far more than being a meber of any of the above pseudos. i dont doubt you realise that to go back the old days of oppresion means another war, another war in the balkan means regional war, another regional war mean european war, a european war means world wide war, a world wide war in todays circumstances means end of the civilised world.
sorry to be so bold in comparison but this is what in basic terms why i think we are independent in every sense, and guess what its only going to get easier as more times passes by.
Sejdiu is a bogus clan leader full of self-importance. The true president of Kosovo-Metohija is and always will be the president of all Serbia, a position that is currently held by Boris Tadic. Nothing that Pristina says or does will change that fact; not even their unilateral declaration of greater Albania.
B92 keeps misinforming. It wasn't only Albanians who declared the independence. The independence was declared by all ethnic groups in Kosovo except Serbs. Turks, Bosnjaks and Roma voted in favour of independence on February 17th 2008.
(A, 29 December 2009 11:11) "
The Roma, Turks and Gorani are predominantly pro-Kosovo being a part of Serbia. The majority of the ALbanians I bet were against "independence" until it was forced upon them at gun point by your beloved KLA. How dare you?
Please note KosovO is not ndependent and the only people benefiting are the criminals in Pristina and those involved in criminal clans. Even that has an end!
Read up
http://www.economicexpert.com/a/Gorani:Kosovo.html
Actually,i don't agree with President Sejdiu.He should have invited Serbian President Tadic,just to see if he has what it takes and to attend thE mini-summit. Like they say; " No Guts no Glory".
I understand that it is difficult for many Serbs to accept the reality and instead they construct in their mind an imaginary world where Serbia stretches from North Pole to South Pole. About time to wake up and face the reality on the ground.
It is quite extraordinary but it was the case in Kosovo; no Albanian politican or political party opposed the independence. In other countries it is much more likely to have a divide within the polical spectrum but not in Kosovo because the independence was wanted by vaste, vaste majority of the population, including Turks, Roma, Bosnjaks etc.
When it comes to Gorans, they constitute an extremely small minority and they right now have a quite diffused identity. Many of them have 4 citizenships (Kosovo, Serbia, Macedonia, Bulgaria). They have never presented themselfes as Serbs until recently when some of them for econimic reasons started to claim Serb origin. But this did not help in the wake of 2004 unrest and 2008 Kosovo Independence riots in Serbia when their shops all over Serbia were attacked and they considered Albanians by their supposed brothers the Serbs.
I avoid discussing here since many here lack culture of debate and it is impossible to keep a discussion going without being dragged down to their level that includes hate,insults etc.
The independence was declared by all ethnic groups in Kosovo except Serbs.
(A, 29 December 2009 11:11)
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Keep dreaming my friend. You seem to have missed the Gorani ethnic group. They are all loyal Serbian citizens and Albanians continue to persecute them.
And what about the Jews in Kosovo? Here is an extract:
"Jews have lived securely when Kosovo was under Serbian rule, and were driven from their homes which were then pillaged and vandalized during the war and after. The KFOR saw it all and allowed it to happen..." Check http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_Kosovo
"We are always ready to invest in good neighbourly relations, but never, never, never, I strongly repeat, never, to talk about subjects that they want to set to the agenda, such as new negotiations or the issue of Kosovo's status," said Sejdiu.
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When the time comes for renewed status negotiations, you Sejdiu will no longer be a "politician" and neither will Thaci.
The people of Kosovo will speak up sooner or later as they cannot live in isolation for all of their lives. It will not be up to those nationalists living in the West or delusional K-Albanian "politicians" but the people who actually live there. If this doesn't happen soon, K-Albanians will look for ways to exit the province.
This hope of "independence" will never happen and when that is realised there will be no other choice but the negotiating table. The sooner this happens the quicker our province will be on the path to peace and prosperity.
Who is he inviting; well all losers like him. Not one financially viable state in the Balkans so what are they going to talk about – perhaps the weather or new ways of smuggling drugs or human cargo or money laundering.
Sejdiu might spend your time getting your beloved US to open new factories so that your Albanians can find work. Oh! that’s another big no; that right you can’t do a thing without Belgrade’s approval. So the only thing left is a talk fest, eating and drinking.
Oh noooo! This is horrible for Tadic and the Serbian nation. I think that Tadic would have come right away if invited. Poor guy was sitting all day long waiting for the mailman to show up. How is Serbia going to manage without the albanians. Poor, poor Tadic :(
B92 keeps misinforming. It wasn't only Albanians who declared the independence. The independence was declared by all ethnic groups in Kosovo except Serbs. Turks, Bosnjaks and Roma voted in favour of independence on February 17th 2008.
(A, 29 December 2009 11:11) "
The Romas too you say? And this is how you repay them? --> http://www.hrw.org/en/news/2009/09/07/kosovo-investigate-attacks-roma
This was a declaration against Prime minister of Albania - Sali Berisha who invited Boris Tadic for a formal visit in Albania, Sali Berisha also declared that the request of Albanians living outside borders is ridiculous, this declaration of Mr. Sejdiu give points to Albanian opposition party which claims election recount and are boycotting the parliament since June
"I won't invite him to a meeting of colleagues from the region. There will certainly be other occasions, but I won't invite him just for the sake of it. How do you invite a man who is using all his energy to speak against Kosovo's independence and is doing everything to thwart further recognitions," wondered the Kosovo president during a reception in Priština on Monday."
I see, you only want your fan club there.
Perhaps you can't invite Tadic because he is the real president of Kosovo (being part of Serbia) and not you. It's like inviting your captain to the mutiny.
He wouldn't even dignify you with his appearance there.
I think we should just split kosovo in half the Serbian populated part goes to serbia along with republika srpska we all know its going to happen sooner or later, and the rest of kosovo to the albos i mean its no use having it if someone else s people live there its not like there all of a sudden gonna just leave.
I can just see this little man stomping his foot and shouting never, never, never, like a little spoiled brat, maybe he even had his fingers in his ears? Whatever, but the day will come when Albanians in Pristina will come to Belgrade, there are some cozy little rooms waiting for them.
"a world wide war in todays circumstances means end of the civilised world."
Artan Sh
I don't know if you are just pullinf oue legs but you actually think the entire world would end because of Kosovo? You are really full of yourself. There are at least a dozen or so conflicts in the world and still no WW3. I would suggest we build a wall around Kosovo and let serbs and albanians fight it out. Who ever wins gets to keep Kosovo. This time without NATO interfearance. Then, and only then, the conflict will end.
No statemant is too ridiculous that Kosovo representatives wouldn't make. Since they know nobody but RTK gives a penny on their statmens they deliver a storm in a teacup.
You're trying to sell your nonsense post on a Serbian website. . .to Serbs?
From as far back as your conversion to Islam under the Turks to WWI to WWII then to this NATO-sponsored and artificial declaration of dependence, the Albanians have been trying to eradicate the Serbs from their ancestral homes in Kosovo.
Here's evidence from July 1982 - 27 years ago - from the New York Times that clearly attests to your ploy.
Ben, there is not a lot I would agree with you about, but partition is far and away the most logical option for Kosovo. KAs don't want to live under Serbia, just as the Serbs in the north will never tolerate Pristina's rule. Better to let them both go their own way. The Serbs south of the Ibar will have to accept the situation, just as the Albanians in South Serbia will have to accept Belgrade's rule. This is also the best guarantee that both countries will treat their respective minorities well.
sorry to be so bold in comparison but this is what in basic terms why i think we are independent in every sense
(Artan Sh, 29 December 2009 16:10)
Good for you, Artan. But let me slightly modify your wording and you will see, this sword has two edges and both are very sharp and dangerous.
But I will try to keep it simple for you all what independence means.
1. it means Serbs south of Ibar can't wake up and not have a worry.
2. Serbs south of Ibar can't go out of their house
3. Serbs south of Ibar are often threatened by their Albanian neibours
4. Serbs south of Ibar can't go to school, uni and study what they like. Except if that school and uni that actually is one and not their cousins house or an establishment North of Ibar
5. Serbs south of Ibar can't walk/travel enjoy every cm they travel within kosovo and dont worry about being stopped by KPS police and be harassed threatened/accused/ have a penalty to pay oh and my most memorable one pay them a bribe just cause they demanded one.
6. it means Serbs south of Ibar now do not have a police station they can go and report to.
7. means Serbs south of Ibar can't work/think/object do as they want within the law.
8. it means Serbs south of Ibar have to live with being called "Shkija" publicly.
9. Serbs south of Ibar have own government- as "illegal" as it is often presented, that it might be they sure stand representing them. one may argue curruption/ MUP, etc guess what no one's perfect, in actual fact considering the nature to how they got to be represented they are doing better than expected. what i mean by this is that it couldve been worse since who is in Albanian "regime" have been associated with executed-style killings, drugs, and other illegal activities for well over a decade.
10.UN/EU member- do i think will Kosovo be in a position to join soon answer is -NO. since im a realist i believe in peoples will to live a free without any of the above day to day dilemmas and obstacles Serbs south of Ibar used to have. And writing 'used to' DOES NOT sound a thing of past.
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i dont doubt you realise that to go back the old days of oppresion means another war, another war in the balkan means regional war, another regional war mean european war, a european war means world wide war, a world wide war in todays circumstances means end of the civilised world.
(Artan Sh, 29 December 2009 16:10)
As you see from my re-writing, nothing really changed, just essentially got worse.
The "old days of oppression" were very painful for you because SFRJ was till late 80-s free of such things, so common in USSR, Romania, GDR, Czechoslovakia, heck - even in Poland and Hungary. The oppression Milosevic did apply was the "usual" terror we were so familiar with. He was a commie apparatchik, even if he hated Russia so much. (No joke! This fact was known and ridiculed many times).
On the other hand what Serbs in Kosovo do experience has more to do with revenge.
Unfortunately the current solution is not a solution either. As much as Albanians have their dream, so do Serbs. These dreams do have quite a few conflicts. How far these conflicts can be managed - I do not know. What I am sure, so far no "world power" did step in without being not selfish and the agenda was everything, but how to manage the conflict.
I did voice my view on that several times and let me repeat it again.
- Separating Serbian and Albanian communities by wall/fences/etc. won't work because there will be just way to many walls/fences.
- Creating new countries won't work because there will be "pockets" inside of each country. See Grachanica or Bujanovac.
- As far as I know, Georgi Dimitrov, JBT and Enver Hoxha did agree about "Balkan Confederation". At the end it did not work out because neither USSR nor USA was happy about it. And the fate of Tito's creation (SFRJ) was not happy.
Instead of carving out new countrylets (why not Republik Ulqinj within Montenegro or Republika Severno Kosovo?) the much better solution is to work on much better union than it was before and make the problems above simply impossible.
A good start for the countries of ex-YU + Bulgaria + Albania would be to look at the constitution of USA. That worked so far over 200 years, not perfectly, but still kind of working. Why not make somewhat even better...
WARNING: the "world powers" will be very-very unhappy about it, but screw them. Not many ideas of Enver Hoxha or Dimitrov or Tito were good, but this is one.
You're trying to sell your nonsense post on a Serbian website. . .to Serbs?
From as far back as your conversion to Islam under the Turks to WWI to WWII then to this NATO-sponsored and artificial declaration of dependence, the Albanians have been trying to eradicate the Serbs from their ancestral homes in Kosovo.
Here's evidence from July 1982 - 27 years ago - from the New York Times that clearly attests to your ploy.
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(Nemanja, Connecticut, 29 December 2009 18:42)
Nemanja - It's very interesting how changed USA point of view during 90's. In 1998 US politicians described UCK as a terrorist organisation, but in 1999 they support them...
Is it inexperience, arrogance or both?
(Roger7, 29 December 2009 16:56)
Of course, neither. The politicians we elect democratically are experienced, wise and not corrupt. And they have the greatest organizing skills. A meeting would never be called on Dec. 24 or January 7.
I avoid discussing here since many here lack culture of debate and it is impossible to keep a discussion going without being dragged down to their level that includes hate,insults etc.
(A, 29 December 2009 13:16)
Your so called independent Kosovo only survives because of US/EU money and for no other reason. Your so called politicians are all fully paid up by the US and they own them lock stock and barrel, and considering you guys have no friends in Europe you would be left high and dry so you stick to the US like glue. Don’t be deluded just because members of the EU recognized Kosovo the people in those countries don’t have much love for Albanians; not bad to have the majority of Europe disliking you guys.
If you’re so independent why don’t you obtain loans from the IMF or World Bank, considering Kosovo is a member?????? For that matter why don’t you attract foreign investment or ask the US to get one of its many multinationals to open a plant or several in Kosovo for your fellow country men and women to work!!!!!Hmmm!!!
Why doesn’t any one answer my questions! Why doesn’t your US help Albanians with getting jobs in Kosovo. The truth always hurts but Kosovo gets nothing unless Belgrade agrees; the US is only there because of Camp Bondsteel. What are you Albanians going to do when the US leaves???? The EU will not help you.
Enjoy your fantasy while it lasts. By the way that fantasy is not scheduled to last for very long.
Ataman,
I agree it was a pretty dumb move.
It was just as dumb scheduling this during the celebration of old calendar Christmas. Is it inexperience, arrogance or both?
"but If Tadic does not have the guts to go in prishtina, how can he claim that Kosova is part of Serbia. So much for this adopted president of yours!" (Kosova-USA)
-- Tell me good sir, when the last time Thaci, Sejdiu or any of these guys had the "guts" to go to Kosovska Mitrovica or Gracanica. These people are, theoretically, part of the "newest borned state", and aren't you all trying to prove that Serbs have a better life in an independent Kosovo than being pawns of Belgrade? But I guess since Hash & Co can't/won't go to the enclaves, we can safely write away sovereign legitimacy on your side too. Zero sum.
“When it comes to Gorans… some of them for econimic reasons started to claim Serb origin.”
Oh, is that why you decided to close all those Gorani language schools? You were worried they were becoming too Serb with those?
The Serb speaking Roma, they must have claimed to be Serb too, that’s why you ethnically cleansed them right?
Reality is “A”, the Albanians are just as bad in their treatment of their minorities as Serbs, or anyone in the Balkans is. Coming onto a Serb website and trying to portray it all as completely Black & White is just downright silly. Most of us have lived in the Balkans and know better. Try posting on FoxNews, I think you’ll find the posters there more on your education level.
Of course Sejdiu will not invite Tadic. Sejdiu does not want to give Tadic any chance of representing the Serbian side of Kosovo. The Serbs seem not allowed to have a voice in their own affairs in Kosovo; the ALbanian government of Kosovo seems to make all decisions regarding the Serbs. Sejdiu strongly gives the impression that Kosovo is just Albanian and only for Albanians, even though Serbs have been in Kosovo for many centuries.
Actually,i don't agree with President Sejdiu.He should have invited Serbian President Tadic,just to see if he has what it takes and to attend thE mini-summit. Like they say; " No Guts no Glory".
(Kosova-USA, 29 December 2009 13:01)
This is correct. And I am sure, US Embassy is not delighted. So it was a pretty dumb move.
Reading your comment, I've come to realize that very often, you can take someone out of the Balkans but you can't take the Balkans out of that someone.
Speaking of U.S. armaments and NATO, Albania joined NATO last year...and any new military purchases have largely been from France, Italy, Germany, the Netherlands.
As far as Sejdiu's comment, I don't agree with his refusal to invite the Serbian president. It's a given that Serbia will not recognize Kosovo's independence any time soon (if ever), but that doesn't mean that there's nothing else left to discuss between the two parties.
The U.S. - under the guise of NATO - wants to spread its control over Europe.
Just look at how many European states are providing cannon fodder for America's wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and those that don't are still obliged to 'modernize' their military by spending billions of dollars on U.S. armament before being admitted into NATO.
The U.S. cannot allow Russia to re-assert its influence particularly in its traditional area of involvement, Eastern Europe.
During the 90's - when Russia was at its weakest during its transition to a free market economy - the U.S. had an opportunity to effectively eradicate all Russian influence in Europe.
Serbia - as a small country without a large military threat and historic ally to Russia - needed to made an example of what happens if U.S. dominion is refused.
In effect, the U.S. is sending the following message to these states: 'join us or we will bomb you, kill your people and steal your land and there is nothing that you or Russia can do about it.'
The Yugoslav wars were never really about Serbs or Croats or Albanians. . .they were about superpower nations vying for greater influence in this part of the world and using our people as pawns in this larger game of chess.
No problems,
President Tadic doesn't need an invitation from you to visit our southern province, he is free to come and go as he wishes, it is after all a province of Serbia...
Reading your comment, I've come to realize that very often, you can take someone out of the Balkans but you can't take the Balkans out of that someone.
Speaking of U.S. armaments and NATO, Albania joined NATO last year...and any new military purchases have largely been from France, Italy, Germany, the Netherlands.
As far as Sejdiu's comment, I don't agree with his refusal to invite the Serbian president. It's a given that Serbia will not recognize Kosovo's independence any time soon (if ever), but that doesn't mean that there's nothing else left to discuss between the two parties.
(Ment, 30 December 2009 20:48)
I think - Nemanja is right. It's geopolitics. Look at Georgia. Same situation like Serbia - but very different point of view of USA and West. All time USA speak about Georgia integrity. Why?? Because Georgia is US ally.
Look at Azerbaijan - armenian region of Karabakh is fully independent from Azerbaijan from 15 years!! But all states described Karabakh as "part of Azerbaijan". Why?? Because Azerbaijan have oil fields.
Serbia is not US ally, have any oil fields - so USA don't speaking about Serbia integrity and support separatists (Serbia it's only state on the world where USA/West support separatists).
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