“Montenegro not waiting on ICJ decision”

Wow, praise to Montenegro from ethnic Albanians. What is this world coming to? ;) Something to be proud of?

What, no de-recognition?

The Montenegrin minister also stated that Serbia’s demand for Montenegro to refrain from doing so before the ICJ decision is a "legitimate demand", and that Montenegro "has its own interests".


Montenegro is growing a backbone. Let's see how Vuk is going to retaliate.

bravo montenegro!!!

you albanians just look at the words but not read between them montenegrins are Serbs but their government wants money and next will be since 50% of montenegro are Serbs but we even the ones say they are not they are, but anyway there will be autonomy for all Serb areas of this little country- province and then they could do what they want in their half and the other under serbia because it is traditionally serbian land anyway so lets get the autonomy started.

What, no de-recognition?
(Bekim, 24 December 2009 19:40)

Obviously not while Milo is in office, but you wait till he's gone. He won't be there forever.

What, no de-recognition?
(Bekim, 24 December 2009 19:40)

Obviously not while Milo is in office, but you wait till he's gone. He won't be there forever.
(Peggy, 25 December 2009 01:17)

Have I heard the same story about other countries that have recognized Kosova?
I sugest that everybody should wake up and smell the coffee.

.... and in return Milo gets to enjoy continued immunity from prosecution in the West over his cigarettes enterprise.

I hope the Minister's statement is clear. Let's move on and think for the prosperity of new generation rather hanging on and on about an issue which is CLOSED. If you bang on and on your are not doing anything else but upsetting others and the stability in the region.

"Have I heard the same story about other countries that have recognized Kosova?
I sugest that everybody should wake up and smell the coffee.
(Kosova-USA, 25 December 2009 10:28) "

well, them coffee beans tell me that a big majority have not recognized "Kosova". And you will remain the outside the UN.

"I agree Montenegro is Serbia, but Kosova never.
(Bekim, 25 December 2009 14:38)"

not unless you overturn 1244. You really should be better informed.

"This is not correct. The correct sentence should be that a big majority have not made a statement to recognize "Kosova".

Note that not all countries have to make a STATEMENT to recognize a new state according to their domestic procedures. For example New Zealand has not made a statement to recognize any state in the world because that is the New Zealand's domestic procedure. New Zealand's recognition of other states is implicit, rather than explicit (i.e. can be inferred from their actions such as recognition of the passports of another state; support for the admission of another state in international organizations; establishment of diplomatic relations; etc.). In short, because a state has not made a statement saying "I recognize you", does not mean that they do not recognize you.

So far, there are 67 or so states that have made explicit statements that they recognize Kosovo. There are other 30 or so who have implicitly recognized it through their actions. So it's only a minority of states which have not recognized Kosovo either implicitly or explicitly.
As for Kosovo remaining outside of UN, can somebody please illuminate about the relevance of this for Kosovo’s independence and/or statehood ?
(abc, 25 December 2009 20:37) "

abc,

1. it amazes me how you try to twist logic to suit yourself. To me the UDI issue is clear. When the majority of the world's country do not issue statements recognizing "Kosova", it means they do not recognize Pristina period. You are really presumptous to assume that Koasovo is so important to the whole world that countries must keep on issuing statements about your UDI as if they got nothing else better to do.

2. As for those countries who "recognize" you through their "implicit" actions, can you care to list them and let us know what these implicit actions are that amount to recognition? I put it to you that you can't.

3. UN entry not important to "Kosova"? Suit yourself. But your own government in Prisitna would disagree with you. Otherwise why would they keep sending people like Hyseni to the UN? For sightsieeing? I would think not but who knows what you would conjecture about these UN visits with your convoluted logic!

you albanians just look at the words but not read between them montenegrins are Serbs but their government wants money and next will be since 50% of montenegro are Serbs but we even the ones say they are not they are, but anyway there will be autonomy for all Serb areas of this little country- province and then they could do what they want in their half and the other under serbia because it is traditionally serbian land anyway so lets get the autonomy started.
(gajo, 25 December 2009 00:54)

I agree Montenegro is Serbia, but Kosova never.

Have I heard the same story about other countries that have recognized Kosova?
I sugest that everybody should wake up and smell the coffee.
(Kosova-USA, 25 December 2009 10:28)
It seems your american masters are stumbling and many powerful nations are thumbing their nose at them.Your smugness is a fascade and I think I sense a little panic in the albanians.God bless Kosmet!

well, them coffee beans tell me that a big majority have not recognized "Kosova". And you will remain the outside the UN.
(lowe, 25 December 2009 11:39)

This is not correct. The correct sentence should be that a big majority have not made a statement to recognize "Kosova".

Note that not all countries have to make a STATEMENT to recognize a new state according to their domestic procedures. For example New Zealand has not made a statement to recognize any state in the world because that is the New Zealand's domestic procedure. New Zealand's recognition of other states is implicit, rather than explicit (i.e. can be inferred from their actions such as recognition of the passports of another state; support for the admission of another state in international organizations; establishment of diplomatic relations; etc.). In short, because a state has not made a statement saying "I recognize you", does not mean that they do not recognize you.

So far, there are 67 or so states that have made explicit statements that they recognize Kosovo. There are other 30 or so who have implicitly recognized it through their actions. So it's only a minority of states which have not recognized Kosovo either implicitly or explicitly.
As for Kosovo remaining outside of UN, can somebody please illuminate about the relevance of this for Kosovo’s independence and/or statehood ?

What about those 2000 or so Romas from Kosovo?
The Montenegrin government and the Kosovo authorities have decided to send them back to Kosovo,or to a third place?
One thing is clear ,they must leave Montenegro before relations are established...

1. it amazes me how you try to twist logic to suit yourself. To me the UDI issue is clear. When the majority of the world's country do not issue statements recognizing "Kosova", it means they do not recognize Pristina period. You are really presumptous to assume that Koasovo is so important to the whole world that countries must keep on issuing statements about your UDI as if they got nothing else better to do.
(lowe, 26 December 2009 01:38)

I’m more amazed with your logic. If I don’t say I like you, does that mean I hate you ?!!! Not stating X, does not mean I agree with the contrary to X. If you go over the speed limit and the cops don’t stop you, does that mean you didn’t break the law because nobody made a statement that did break law ?!!!
If a state makes a statement to recognize Kosovo, than it has recognized it. If a state makes a statement to not recognize Kosovo, than it does not recognize it. If a state does not make a statement at all, we need to see its actions to understand whether they have recognized or not.

2. As for those countries who "recognize" you through their "implicit" actions, can you care to list them and let us know what these implicit actions are that amount to recognition? I put it to you that you can't.
(lowe, 26 December 2009 01:38)

First, why would you ask this question if you said in the prior paragraph that you want a statement ? Why would you care about implicit recognitions without a statement ?
The UN charter states “Membership in the United Nations is open to all other peace-loving states…” and so do the charters of other international organizations. If other members agree for Kosovo to become a member of organizations for countries, then by their actions they are implicitly accepting that Kosovo is a country. Other actions are, for example, the acceptance of the passports. New Zealand is considered to have recognized Kosovo because it recognized it passports. Contrast this to BiH which recognized Kosovo’s passports but, knowing that such an act may be seen as a recognition of Kosovo as a country, then declared that such an act should not be considered a recognition of Kosovo as a country. So far, more than 100 states have performed the above mentioned actions and therefore can be considered to have implicitly recognized Kosovo as a country.

3. UN entry not important to "Kosova"? Suit yourself. But your own government in Prisitna would disagree with you. Otherwise why would they keep sending people like Hyseni to the UN? For sightsieeing? I would think not but who knows what you would conjecture about these UN visits with your convoluted logic!
(lowe, 26 December 2009 01:38)

Of course it’s desirable politically, but I don’t think you illuminated me about its relevance to the legal argument whether Kosovo is a country or not. Are you saying that if an entity is not part of UN than it is not a country ? I’m from Switzerland and would be surprised to learn here that my country did not legally exist until 2002.

I hope the Minister's statement is clear. Let's move on and think for the prosperity of new generation rather hanging on and on about an issue which is CLOSED. If you bang on and on your are not doing anything else but upsetting others and the stability in the region.

The Montenegrin minister also stated that Serbia’s demand for Montenegro to refrain from doing so before the ICJ decision is a "legitimate demand", and that Montenegro "has its own interests".


Montenegro is growing a backbone. Let's see how Vuk is going to retaliate.

bravo montenegro!!!

you albanians just look at the words but not read between them montenegrins are Serbs but their government wants money and next will be since 50% of montenegro are Serbs but we even the ones say they are not they are, but anyway there will be autonomy for all Serb areas of this little country- province and then they could do what they want in their half and the other under serbia because it is traditionally serbian land anyway so lets get the autonomy started.

What, no de-recognition?

you albanians just look at the words but not read between them montenegrins are Serbs but their government wants money and next will be since 50% of montenegro are Serbs but we even the ones say they are not they are, but anyway there will be autonomy for all Serb areas of this little country- province and then they could do what they want in their half and the other under serbia because it is traditionally serbian land anyway so lets get the autonomy started.
(gajo, 25 December 2009 00:54)

I agree Montenegro is Serbia, but Kosova never.

"Have I heard the same story about other countries that have recognized Kosova?
I sugest that everybody should wake up and smell the coffee.
(Kosova-USA, 25 December 2009 10:28) "

well, them coffee beans tell me that a big majority have not recognized "Kosova". And you will remain the outside the UN.

Wow, praise to Montenegro from ethnic Albanians. What is this world coming to? ;) Something to be proud of?

.... and in return Milo gets to enjoy continued immunity from prosecution in the West over his cigarettes enterprise.

What, no de-recognition?
(Bekim, 24 December 2009 19:40)

Obviously not while Milo is in office, but you wait till he's gone. He won't be there forever.

What, no de-recognition?
(Bekim, 24 December 2009 19:40)

Obviously not while Milo is in office, but you wait till he's gone. He won't be there forever.
(Peggy, 25 December 2009 01:17)

Have I heard the same story about other countries that have recognized Kosova?
I sugest that everybody should wake up and smell the coffee.

"I agree Montenegro is Serbia, but Kosova never.
(Bekim, 25 December 2009 14:38)"

not unless you overturn 1244. You really should be better informed.

well, them coffee beans tell me that a big majority have not recognized "Kosova". And you will remain the outside the UN.
(lowe, 25 December 2009 11:39)

This is not correct. The correct sentence should be that a big majority have not made a statement to recognize "Kosova".

Note that not all countries have to make a STATEMENT to recognize a new state according to their domestic procedures. For example New Zealand has not made a statement to recognize any state in the world because that is the New Zealand's domestic procedure. New Zealand's recognition of other states is implicit, rather than explicit (i.e. can be inferred from their actions such as recognition of the passports of another state; support for the admission of another state in international organizations; establishment of diplomatic relations; etc.). In short, because a state has not made a statement saying "I recognize you", does not mean that they do not recognize you.

So far, there are 67 or so states that have made explicit statements that they recognize Kosovo. There are other 30 or so who have implicitly recognized it through their actions. So it's only a minority of states which have not recognized Kosovo either implicitly or explicitly.
As for Kosovo remaining outside of UN, can somebody please illuminate about the relevance of this for Kosovo’s independence and/or statehood ?

What about those 2000 or so Romas from Kosovo?
The Montenegrin government and the Kosovo authorities have decided to send them back to Kosovo,or to a third place?
One thing is clear ,they must leave Montenegro before relations are established...

"This is not correct. The correct sentence should be that a big majority have not made a statement to recognize "Kosova".

Note that not all countries have to make a STATEMENT to recognize a new state according to their domestic procedures. For example New Zealand has not made a statement to recognize any state in the world because that is the New Zealand's domestic procedure. New Zealand's recognition of other states is implicit, rather than explicit (i.e. can be inferred from their actions such as recognition of the passports of another state; support for the admission of another state in international organizations; establishment of diplomatic relations; etc.). In short, because a state has not made a statement saying "I recognize you", does not mean that they do not recognize you.

So far, there are 67 or so states that have made explicit statements that they recognize Kosovo. There are other 30 or so who have implicitly recognized it through their actions. So it's only a minority of states which have not recognized Kosovo either implicitly or explicitly.
As for Kosovo remaining outside of UN, can somebody please illuminate about the relevance of this for Kosovo’s independence and/or statehood ?
(abc, 25 December 2009 20:37) "

abc,

1. it amazes me how you try to twist logic to suit yourself. To me the UDI issue is clear. When the majority of the world's country do not issue statements recognizing "Kosova", it means they do not recognize Pristina period. You are really presumptous to assume that Koasovo is so important to the whole world that countries must keep on issuing statements about your UDI as if they got nothing else better to do.

2. As for those countries who "recognize" you through their "implicit" actions, can you care to list them and let us know what these implicit actions are that amount to recognition? I put it to you that you can't.

3. UN entry not important to "Kosova"? Suit yourself. But your own government in Prisitna would disagree with you. Otherwise why would they keep sending people like Hyseni to the UN? For sightsieeing? I would think not but who knows what you would conjecture about these UN visits with your convoluted logic!

Have I heard the same story about other countries that have recognized Kosova?
I sugest that everybody should wake up and smell the coffee.
(Kosova-USA, 25 December 2009 10:28)
It seems your american masters are stumbling and many powerful nations are thumbing their nose at them.Your smugness is a fascade and I think I sense a little panic in the albanians.God bless Kosmet!

1. it amazes me how you try to twist logic to suit yourself. To me the UDI issue is clear. When the majority of the world's country do not issue statements recognizing "Kosova", it means they do not recognize Pristina period. You are really presumptous to assume that Koasovo is so important to the whole world that countries must keep on issuing statements about your UDI as if they got nothing else better to do.
(lowe, 26 December 2009 01:38)

I’m more amazed with your logic. If I don’t say I like you, does that mean I hate you ?!!! Not stating X, does not mean I agree with the contrary to X. If you go over the speed limit and the cops don’t stop you, does that mean you didn’t break the law because nobody made a statement that did break law ?!!!
If a state makes a statement to recognize Kosovo, than it has recognized it. If a state makes a statement to not recognize Kosovo, than it does not recognize it. If a state does not make a statement at all, we need to see its actions to understand whether they have recognized or not.

2. As for those countries who "recognize" you through their "implicit" actions, can you care to list them and let us know what these implicit actions are that amount to recognition? I put it to you that you can't.
(lowe, 26 December 2009 01:38)

First, why would you ask this question if you said in the prior paragraph that you want a statement ? Why would you care about implicit recognitions without a statement ?
The UN charter states “Membership in the United Nations is open to all other peace-loving states…” and so do the charters of other international organizations. If other members agree for Kosovo to become a member of organizations for countries, then by their actions they are implicitly accepting that Kosovo is a country. Other actions are, for example, the acceptance of the passports. New Zealand is considered to have recognized Kosovo because it recognized it passports. Contrast this to BiH which recognized Kosovo’s passports but, knowing that such an act may be seen as a recognition of Kosovo as a country, then declared that such an act should not be considered a recognition of Kosovo as a country. So far, more than 100 states have performed the above mentioned actions and therefore can be considered to have implicitly recognized Kosovo as a country.

3. UN entry not important to "Kosova"? Suit yourself. But your own government in Prisitna would disagree with you. Otherwise why would they keep sending people like Hyseni to the UN? For sightsieeing? I would think not but who knows what you would conjecture about these UN visits with your convoluted logic!
(lowe, 26 December 2009 01:38)

Of course it’s desirable politically, but I don’t think you illuminated me about its relevance to the legal argument whether Kosovo is a country or not. Are you saying that if an entity is not part of UN than it is not a country ? I’m from Switzerland and would be surprised to learn here that my country did not legally exist until 2002.