Macedonian soldiers go to Afghanistan

Lucky Macedonia- NOT!!! Welcome to American democracy send your young men off to support illegal wars they'll soon be asking for more and more and when you are off no use to them they'll dump you.

Macedonia all ready sending their young ones to die for american oil and Macedonia is not even a NATO member yet. Great job! If albanians were qualified to fight wars the americans would send them to.
You have to admire the yanks. Finding cannon fodder in the poor nations of the Balkans to fight their dirty wars all across the globe. Global terrorism at its best. Congratulations America for proving that there are still a lot of suckers in the Balkans.

FYROM has done everything it actively can to convince the US that it's a poodle-like extra state which can be used
by the Americans at their whim.

The actions of those Langley USA graduates governing Fyrom don't surpise me any more.They've perticipated in the slaughter of Iraqi civilians in Iraq by sending troops there,they've recognised the illegal rogue state of kosovo,they've allowed the CIA to build their largest spy nerve centre in skopje and now they
are re-enforcing their troops in Afganistan.

Well done Gruevski, carry on the good work.

;"Big brother is watching you", I am all for it.
(Kosova-USA, 21 December 2009 13:50)

Just when I think my opinion of this could not get any lower, he amazes me again! Its amazing how naive some can be...

I wonder what FYROM expekts to get out of this?

That their brothers in Albania will vouch for them the next time NATo wants to take in new countries?

I really hope that Serbia and Bosnia will forever refuse to join such a destructive military organisatin as NATO, let other people sacrifice their lives for Americas goals!

"I assume you implied that Serbia sucking up to Russia must make it the smartest country of them all in the Balkans."
Ment

Yes, that's what I mean. Serbia was bombed back to the stone age not long ago, part of its territory is occupied and close to 1 million refugees live within its borders, still Serbia has managed to become a candidate for the EU in a short period of time. Albania has had all the time in the world and they have come no where.
Serbis is also friendly with both super powers and has become a respectable country.

especially when considering that neither Albania or Macedonia have seen military conflict in quite some time now.
(Ment, 21 December 2009, 16:59)

Ment, where were you in 2000-2002??? Is 9 years long time for you?

Both Fyrom and Albania had armed conflicts, with each other!!! Have you already forgot??? Albania supported terrorists that were trying to steal a part of FYROM but their US masters forced them to stop, to bad they didn't do that in 98 when the terrorists were murdering innocent postmen and other civilians in Kosovo.

Sorry MikeC but NATO is not an american alliance, is a universal alliance - consisting of multiple member states. And ALL NATO members have to agree in order to let you become part of that alliance. Greece included... Nobody forced you to send any troops there. You did it by yourselves in order to convince the americans how "loyal" you can be. But the problem is that if Greece does not agree you will not become a meber of ANY international organization even if 100 years pass...... your ultra-nationalist prime minister should just remember that...

Leonidas
========

I find surprising the hostility Greek posters here display against the U.S.

You can whine about U.S.'s role in the Greek conflict of the 70's against the Communists, but honestly, having witnessed first hand the destructive consequences of communism on your northern neighbor, I would have assumed you should be thankful you did not suffer the same fate, despite all the negative aspects of the junta.
(Ment, 21 December 2009 17:13)

Ment

Greeks are against the policies of certain US administrations and not against the American people.

US involvement into Greek politics started in the aftermath of world war II and not in the 1970s as you allege.

You're asking me to be gratefull to US for rigging elections,topple goverments and in the end installing a military Junta which carried out the disastrous US plans in Cyprus in 1974.

I can go on and on but we won't agree because you've made up your mind on several issues.I cannot change your mind on your thinking that G Bush is a war criminal responsible for the deaths of thousands of your fellow muslims and he should've been sent to the Hague and not as a democrat and liberator the Albanians think of him.

to build their largest spy nerve centre in skopje
(Leonidas, 21 December 2009 13:17)

You are right, that Embassy compound is the spy center for Balkans. I have seen it with my own eyes and I say more power to Uncle Sam. They did a good job, to keep an eye on Balkans. Don't forget that ;"Big brother is watching you", I am all for it.
(Kosova-USA, 21 December 2009 13:50)


I would not worry about anything the CIA does. It’s such an incompetent organisation that I would have to write a book listing all their failures. Thirty years ago it had some very capable people, but after the fall of the Soviet Union most were declared redundant and that expertise disappeared. It then was run by managers who were experts in finance, human resources, equal opportunity etc and they had very few real spies. The US found this out when 9/11 occurred. It will take them another 40/50 years to come up to speed.

Kosova-USA, I would not rejoice in big brother watching because they not so concerned about the Serbs, but are watching the Albanians very closely, you are after all Muslims and they do not trust you no matter how much you think they are your friends.

This will all be irrelevant next March when the Russians open their base in Nis. The only thing the US will then spy on is the local restaurants.

CIA to build their largest spy nerve centre in skopje
(Leonidas, 21 December 2009 13:17)

You are right, that Embassy compound is the spy center for Balkans. I have seen it with my own eyes and I say more power to Uncle Sam. They did a good job, to keep an eye on Balkans. Don't forget that ;"Big brother is watching you", I am all for it.

"Sorry MikeC but NATO is not an american alliance, is a universal alliance"
Pavlos

How come NATO members France and Germany, amongst others, are not participating in the illegal war in Afganistan and Irak? NATO is controlled by america and the remaining suckers follow along. Remember what George W. Bush said: Your either with us or against us. Doesn't sound like a democratic statement. Then again who ever said america was a real democracy!

"You are right, that Embassy compound is the spy center for Balkans. I have seen it with my own eyes and I say more power to Uncle Sam. They did a good job, to keep an eye on Balkans. Don't forget that ;"Big brother is watching you", I am all for it.
(Kosova-USA, 21 December 2009 13:50) "

Sure, who needs a big brother who is near bankrupt in all but name? Big deal! http://www.brillig.com/debt_clock/

MikeC ...

I assume you implied that Serbia sucking up to Russia must make it the smartest country of them all in the Balkans.

Well, only time will tell who's making the best decisions diplomatically in the Balkans.

So far however, if European history is any indicator, the countries that have fallen under Russia's influence have always lived to regret it.

Regarding cannon fodders and what not...Albanian troops have been there a while and no casualties yet as far as I know. I don't expect Macedonians to be doing a lot of fighting and dying either.

Macedonia will however be in a position to reap diplomatic dividends out of this and possibly valuable military experience as well, especially when considering that neither Albania or Macedonia have seen military conflict in quite some time now.

Leonidas
========

I find surprising the hostility Greek posters here display against the U.S.

You can whine about U.S.'s role in the Greek conflict of the 70's against the Communists, but honestly, having witnessed first hand the destructive consequences of communism on your northern neighbor, I would have assumed you should be thankful you did not suffer the same fate, despite all the negative aspects of the junta.

Srboslav
========

Come on now... Albania had nothing to do with that conflict. The conflict was instigated by UCK members and supporters inside Macedonia. The insurgency was not even supported by mainstream Albanian political parties in that country.
Skirmishes between police and local insurgents hardly count as a war in the conventional sense.

Leonidas, sj
============

First of all, you do lose any credibility (with Albos at least) when you use terms like "fellow Muslims...". The majority of Albanians could care less about religion and even less about the Middle East. Of course, you'd know it if you ever visited the countries in question, but it's obvious you have not.

Leonidas
========

Iraq was a mistake of the U.S. from a strategic point of view. Many Albanians however, will agree with the riddance of Saddam. You may not appreciate that agreement, because unlike us, you never had to live under an absolute dictatorship....again courtesy of the U.S. "disastrous" meddling.

By the way, if you ever had any notions that your beloved communists in Greece would come to power and then allow free elections after that, well, you're quite misguided my friend.

MikeC
=====

A couple of building and bridges being blown up hardly constitutes being blown back to the Stone Age. Not even the bombardments in WWII sent Europe to the Stone Age... so easy with the exaggerations.

Now, I don't know where you live, but you obviously seem quite ignorant about Albania. Serbia and Albania are fairly similar in income levels today. Prior to 1993 (when communism fell in Albania), Serbia and Yugoslavia were WAY AHEAD in every aspect. Albania is an official EU candidate today. Serbia hasn't made it yet...how come? Is it because you're so respected?

Now, I don't know where you live, but you obviously seem quite ignorant about Albania. Serbia and Albania are fairly similar in income levels today. Prior to 1993 (when communism fell in Albania), Serbia and Yugoslavia were WAY AHEAD in every aspect. Albania is an official EU candidate today. Serbia hasn't made it yet...how come? Is it because you're so respected?
(Ment, 22 December 2009 00:05)

(1) Check the GDP World Figure and Serbia is substantially ahead of Albania.

(2) Travel to Belgrade and then Tirana and you will have a better idea of economic prosperity.

That being said, Albania is rich in reources including Uranium but more importantly large oil and gas reserves which are being currntly drilled by internatinal conglomerates. Its not a matter of resources, but mis-management of those resources by the corrupt Albanian leadership which continues today at the detriment of the majority of the population.

CIA to build their largest spy nerve centre in skopje
(Leonidas, 21 December 2009 13:17)

You are right, that Embassy compound is the spy center for Balkans. I have seen it with my own eyes and I say more power to Uncle Sam. They did a good job, to keep an eye on Balkans. Don't forget that ;"Big brother is watching you", I am all for it.

Srboslav
========

Come on now... Albania had nothing to do with that conflict. The conflict was instigated by UCK members and supporters inside Macedonia. The insurgency was not even supported by mainstream Albanian political parties in that country.
Skirmishes between police and local insurgents hardly count as a war in the conventional sense.

Leonidas, sj
============

First of all, you do lose any credibility (with Albos at least) when you use terms like "fellow Muslims...". The majority of Albanians could care less about religion and even less about the Middle East. Of course, you'd know it if you ever visited the countries in question, but it's obvious you have not.

Leonidas
========

Iraq was a mistake of the U.S. from a strategic point of view. Many Albanians however, will agree with the riddance of Saddam. You may not appreciate that agreement, because unlike us, you never had to live under an absolute dictatorship....again courtesy of the U.S. "disastrous" meddling.

By the way, if you ever had any notions that your beloved communists in Greece would come to power and then allow free elections after that, well, you're quite misguided my friend.

MikeC
=====

A couple of building and bridges being blown up hardly constitutes being blown back to the Stone Age. Not even the bombardments in WWII sent Europe to the Stone Age... so easy with the exaggerations.

Now, I don't know where you live, but you obviously seem quite ignorant about Albania. Serbia and Albania are fairly similar in income levels today. Prior to 1993 (when communism fell in Albania), Serbia and Yugoslavia were WAY AHEAD in every aspect. Albania is an official EU candidate today. Serbia hasn't made it yet...how come? Is it because you're so respected?

MikeC ...

I assume you implied that Serbia sucking up to Russia must make it the smartest country of them all in the Balkans.

Well, only time will tell who's making the best decisions diplomatically in the Balkans.

So far however, if European history is any indicator, the countries that have fallen under Russia's influence have always lived to regret it.

Regarding cannon fodders and what not...Albanian troops have been there a while and no casualties yet as far as I know. I don't expect Macedonians to be doing a lot of fighting and dying either.

Macedonia will however be in a position to reap diplomatic dividends out of this and possibly valuable military experience as well, especially when considering that neither Albania or Macedonia have seen military conflict in quite some time now.

Leonidas
========

I find surprising the hostility Greek posters here display against the U.S.

You can whine about U.S.'s role in the Greek conflict of the 70's against the Communists, but honestly, having witnessed first hand the destructive consequences of communism on your northern neighbor, I would have assumed you should be thankful you did not suffer the same fate, despite all the negative aspects of the junta.

;"Big brother is watching you", I am all for it.
(Kosova-USA, 21 December 2009 13:50)

Just when I think my opinion of this could not get any lower, he amazes me again! Its amazing how naive some can be...

Macedonia all ready sending their young ones to die for american oil and Macedonia is not even a NATO member yet. Great job! If albanians were qualified to fight wars the americans would send them to.
You have to admire the yanks. Finding cannon fodder in the poor nations of the Balkans to fight their dirty wars all across the globe. Global terrorism at its best. Congratulations America for proving that there are still a lot of suckers in the Balkans.

Lucky Macedonia- NOT!!! Welcome to American democracy send your young men off to support illegal wars they'll soon be asking for more and more and when you are off no use to them they'll dump you.

I wonder what FYROM expekts to get out of this?

That their brothers in Albania will vouch for them the next time NATo wants to take in new countries?

I really hope that Serbia and Bosnia will forever refuse to join such a destructive military organisatin as NATO, let other people sacrifice their lives for Americas goals!

FYROM has done everything it actively can to convince the US that it's a poodle-like extra state which can be used
by the Americans at their whim.

The actions of those Langley USA graduates governing Fyrom don't surpise me any more.They've perticipated in the slaughter of Iraqi civilians in Iraq by sending troops there,they've recognised the illegal rogue state of kosovo,they've allowed the CIA to build their largest spy nerve centre in skopje and now they
are re-enforcing their troops in Afganistan.

Well done Gruevski, carry on the good work.

"I assume you implied that Serbia sucking up to Russia must make it the smartest country of them all in the Balkans."
Ment

Yes, that's what I mean. Serbia was bombed back to the stone age not long ago, part of its territory is occupied and close to 1 million refugees live within its borders, still Serbia has managed to become a candidate for the EU in a short period of time. Albania has had all the time in the world and they have come no where.
Serbis is also friendly with both super powers and has become a respectable country.

Sorry MikeC but NATO is not an american alliance, is a universal alliance - consisting of multiple member states. And ALL NATO members have to agree in order to let you become part of that alliance. Greece included... Nobody forced you to send any troops there. You did it by yourselves in order to convince the americans how "loyal" you can be. But the problem is that if Greece does not agree you will not become a meber of ANY international organization even if 100 years pass...... your ultra-nationalist prime minister should just remember that...

to build their largest spy nerve centre in skopje
(Leonidas, 21 December 2009 13:17)

You are right, that Embassy compound is the spy center for Balkans. I have seen it with my own eyes and I say more power to Uncle Sam. They did a good job, to keep an eye on Balkans. Don't forget that ;"Big brother is watching you", I am all for it.
(Kosova-USA, 21 December 2009 13:50)


I would not worry about anything the CIA does. It’s such an incompetent organisation that I would have to write a book listing all their failures. Thirty years ago it had some very capable people, but after the fall of the Soviet Union most were declared redundant and that expertise disappeared. It then was run by managers who were experts in finance, human resources, equal opportunity etc and they had very few real spies. The US found this out when 9/11 occurred. It will take them another 40/50 years to come up to speed.

Kosova-USA, I would not rejoice in big brother watching because they not so concerned about the Serbs, but are watching the Albanians very closely, you are after all Muslims and they do not trust you no matter how much you think they are your friends.

This will all be irrelevant next March when the Russians open their base in Nis. The only thing the US will then spy on is the local restaurants.

especially when considering that neither Albania or Macedonia have seen military conflict in quite some time now.
(Ment, 21 December 2009, 16:59)

Ment, where were you in 2000-2002??? Is 9 years long time for you?

Both Fyrom and Albania had armed conflicts, with each other!!! Have you already forgot??? Albania supported terrorists that were trying to steal a part of FYROM but their US masters forced them to stop, to bad they didn't do that in 98 when the terrorists were murdering innocent postmen and other civilians in Kosovo.

"Sorry MikeC but NATO is not an american alliance, is a universal alliance"
Pavlos

How come NATO members France and Germany, amongst others, are not participating in the illegal war in Afganistan and Irak? NATO is controlled by america and the remaining suckers follow along. Remember what George W. Bush said: Your either with us or against us. Doesn't sound like a democratic statement. Then again who ever said america was a real democracy!

Leonidas
========

I find surprising the hostility Greek posters here display against the U.S.

You can whine about U.S.'s role in the Greek conflict of the 70's against the Communists, but honestly, having witnessed first hand the destructive consequences of communism on your northern neighbor, I would have assumed you should be thankful you did not suffer the same fate, despite all the negative aspects of the junta.
(Ment, 21 December 2009 17:13)

Ment

Greeks are against the policies of certain US administrations and not against the American people.

US involvement into Greek politics started in the aftermath of world war II and not in the 1970s as you allege.

You're asking me to be gratefull to US for rigging elections,topple goverments and in the end installing a military Junta which carried out the disastrous US plans in Cyprus in 1974.

I can go on and on but we won't agree because you've made up your mind on several issues.I cannot change your mind on your thinking that G Bush is a war criminal responsible for the deaths of thousands of your fellow muslims and he should've been sent to the Hague and not as a democrat and liberator the Albanians think of him.

"You are right, that Embassy compound is the spy center for Balkans. I have seen it with my own eyes and I say more power to Uncle Sam. They did a good job, to keep an eye on Balkans. Don't forget that ;"Big brother is watching you", I am all for it.
(Kosova-USA, 21 December 2009 13:50) "

Sure, who needs a big brother who is near bankrupt in all but name? Big deal! http://www.brillig.com/debt_clock/

Now, I don't know where you live, but you obviously seem quite ignorant about Albania. Serbia and Albania are fairly similar in income levels today. Prior to 1993 (when communism fell in Albania), Serbia and Yugoslavia were WAY AHEAD in every aspect. Albania is an official EU candidate today. Serbia hasn't made it yet...how come? Is it because you're so respected?
(Ment, 22 December 2009 00:05)

(1) Check the GDP World Figure and Serbia is substantially ahead of Albania.

(2) Travel to Belgrade and then Tirana and you will have a better idea of economic prosperity.

That being said, Albania is rich in reources including Uranium but more importantly large oil and gas reserves which are being currntly drilled by internatinal conglomerates. Its not a matter of resources, but mis-management of those resources by the corrupt Albanian leadership which continues today at the detriment of the majority of the population.