Jeremić: Serbia-U.S. relations "on rise"

Ther is no more Kosovo or the EU...Kosovo is gone and is history BUT the focus is:
Recognise OR EU
(PRN, 16 December 2009, 11:21)

Keep dreaming. North of Kosovo is still very much Serbia and recognition of "Kosova" is not needed for Serbia to do anything internationally. As for EU, the Serbian people themselves should have a referendum if they even want to be a part of the EU. That is true democracy. If only CG, Macedonia, and many other countries had a referendum on recognizing "Kosova" you would not have many states that recognized you.

Look, I will try and keep it simple for you: The West does not want Serbia siding with Russia more than they already have so they will not try and alienate Serbia any further. Serbia is playing its cards right.

I bet you really hate to see this article though...

Ther is no more Kosovo or the EU...Kosovo is gone and is history BUT the focus is:
Recognise OR EU
(PRN, 16 December 2009, 11:21)
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Kosovo is gone? I'm surprised that we still get our daily dose of "Kosovo is gone", "there is no returning to Serbia", "Kosovo is independent" and so on. I mean, if that were truly the case, why would you need to repeat it so often? Do we get Montenegrins coming here on a daily basis proclaiming "Montengro is independent"? That is the difference between fantasy and reality my friends.

Can someone please point out who exactly is claiming Serbia's recognition of Kosovo is a condition for EU membership? I ask because I don't want Serbia in and I'd like to start supporting them because I know Serbia can never recognise "Kosova".

However, I'm pretty sure this idea is just wishful thinking. Also, I can't believe Clinton met Jeremic. I thought he'd only have the privilege to meet her driver? Oh well, some people are very consistent with getting it wrong.

This picture is not real! Clinton would never meet Jeremic face to face. She loves Albanian to much to meet Serbs.
(Albani, 16 December 2009 11:30)

--Get over it! This isn't the Ottoman empire--everybody talks to everybody now-a-days and not "through" the world powers like they did in the days-of-old.
This meeting is a necessity because Serbia is the center of the Balkans. Without engaging Serbia, the US cannot conduct extensive policies there.
Again, Kosovo is not the issue, it never was, it never is. The Balkans is the issue.
The Americans(or better still, the barbaric regime during that time)believed they could apply force(illegally)to make the Serbs submit to their ultimatum. But they were unsuccessful. Worse still, they drove Serbia further East(With their bombs and slander using their media monopoly and military war machine respectively).
Now they are using diplomacy to achieve their initial goals with the addition of repairing the damage they caused. Serbs should cooperate, but only where it benefits them because frankly, this initiative is too little, too late.

She's acting friendly now. Looks like she forgave us for sniping at her on Tuzla airport, ha-ha-ha!

'Jeremić invited Clinton to visit Serbia, which she accepted, it was also announced.'

Wow, brave woman! She is going to dodge Serbian sniper fire again?? :))
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/tim-graham/2008/03/22/wapo-awards-four-pinocchios-hillary-sniper-fire-fable
Stay home Hillary, we don't want you, and no, we don't like you.

30 minutes, is that all.

I have spent more time in a Tim Hortons drive thru.

I guess no coffee and donuts were served, eeeehhh!

Jeremić: Serbia-U.S. relations "on rise"

Certainly, BUT only since you certainly promised that you are designing the strategy/plan to tell Serbian population the TRUTH that Serbia has no future without recognising Kosovo.
Thus no SSA, no EU candidacy and certainly no EU membership only living in Gheto is guaranteed.

Ther is no more Kosovo or the EU...Kosovo is gone and is history BUT the focus is:
Recognise OR EU

The Brittish wrote an arrest warrant for israeli minister tzipi livni, guilty of unspeakable war crimes against humanity. The Serbs, when freed from foreign agents in the government, should do the same should, Solana Clinton blair & Co set their foots on serbian soil...

"This picture is not real! Clinton would never meet Jeremic face to face. She loves Albanian to much to meet Serbs.
(Albani, 16 December 2009 11:30)"

You are getting Hillary Clinton confused with Bill Clinton. She may do the opposite of him (side with Serbs) to get him back for cheating on her.

"Hillary may AGAIN decline to meet Jeremic, sending (this time) her driver for the appointment.
(PRN, 15 December 2009 10:29)"

-- Hmm, looks like Hillary's driver was too busy driving Bill around so the Madame Secretary had to meet Jeremic herself.

Don't worry PRN et al, Bill still loves you. And if you ever feel jilted by him, you can always take comfort in the bromance shared between Holbrook and Thaci.

Jeremic should have Hillary come to Serbia to coincide with "Operation Storm Day". The two could watch the Croat festivities,concerts and other commemorating celebrations on satellite TV while having lunch.
Many credible VIP are privately and openly saying that the Croats took full advantage of the West's "good will" in order to carry out their own campaign of ethnically cleansing and murdering innocent civilians, which included untold numbers of women and children. If the West rewards the Croats the legal Serbian territory of Kraina and does not return the ethnically cleansed Serbs to their land and homes, then the sane and moral world will decide who really orchestrated this brutal and shameful crime against humanity. And then the sane and the moral will make it right.

Ye shall know them by their fruits.

"after 30 mins, Malawi recognizes." (genti)

-- Now I'm not 100% certain on this, so take it with some margin of estimated error, but I somehow doubt this is going to tip the scales in decisive favor of the Albanians. If Saudi Arabia's and New Zealand's recognition got you no closer to crossing the Ibar or stopping Feith from carving out more Serbian municipalities, I think it's safe to say Malawi's recognition won't either.

I dunno why folks like b92 keeps lying or publishing distorted stories of what was talked about...

What a shame on poor journalism!!!

Clinton: Serbia still a troublemaker was the message to Jeremic.

This picture is not real! Clinton would never meet Jeremic face to face. She loves Albanian to much to meet Serbs.
(Albani, 16 December 2009 11:30)
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For you and your twelve friends: how's the weather out there in Trollhätten? Should be pretty cold and snowy, I guess. Hope Russians have enough gas to warm you up if the situation would be more critical. You can't KEK them in the @ass that easy, you know.

Счастливо!

Vuk my boy dont worry, once a lier always a lier my friend. Remember the famous Snipers in Bosnia story??? Shes a joke like her husband!

Good try but America has already a loyal ally in the Balkans and not Russian one day and west another. Still the interesting part is, while Jeremic always seems to mention "Kosovo was Serbia" something the lines, he left that part with Clinton, why is that Jeremic? You were affraid of her respond?

This picture is not real! Clinton would never meet Jeremic face to face. She loves Albanian to much to meet Serbs.

WOW 30 minutes!!! With the customary greeting and Good bye plus the photo session for Serbia's benefit, I guess that left what 2 minutes to achieve a "closeness" between the 2 countries.
And some thought she would never give him the time of day.

He should have handed her an arrest warrent for crimes against humanity and illegally waging war whilst he was at it!! Perhaps he'll do that if she ever lands in Serbia.

after 30 mins, Malawi recognizes.

@ ALBANI
"...She loves Albanian too much to meet Serbs"

It would sound like a comment of a desperate jolted lover, but the lover never was. It's only a sad infatuation of a pubescent boy with some ageing actress he will never come close to.

'On rise,' meaning Serbia will do exactly what US wants them too.

We knew the day will come.

This picture is not real! Clinton would never meet Jeremic face to face. She loves Albanian to much to meet Serbs.
(Albani, 16 December 2009 11:30)

Oh, did the easter bunny tell you this?
If this is the extent of Albanian diplomacy, you guys are going to fail miserably.

where is the for Jeremic sooo important issue KOSOVO? Jeremic missed to instruct Madam Secretary Clinton on this issue. For sure the relations are "rising" because they exclude Kosovo in their talks.

30 minutes, is that all.
(Another Canadian Serb

If in the end the woman comes, to Belgrade who cares if it lasted 30 minutes or one hour. Of course there'll be snipers on airport if and when she comes. Routine security. Bah.

"Little Vuk not that lucky again.Just after he thought that he has achieved something when Sec. of State acceted to meet him, Malawi sent, spoled his fun." (Olf)

-- Now, I'm certainly not the biggest fan of my country's foreign policy, but I think it's a safe bet to make that establishing stronger relations between Serbia and the United States is somewhat more important than a country that Madonna occasionally likes to shop around for kids in recognizes an entity with roughly the same GDP output. An annoyance? Perhaps. Spoiling the fun? Hardly. Let me guess: you actually take Christopher Dell at his word :)

Little Vuk not that lucky again.Just after he thought that he has achieved something when Sec. of State acceted to meet him, Malawi sent, spoled his fun.

kosovo is proving to be a success story. Rule fo law is being applied in all parts of Kosovo and organised crime in northern part is not being supported by Belgrade like before ...

Go go Kosovo, on your way

Kevin, good post...very well-stated.

"It has been our land long before people heard of Serbs so please be careful with the language you use." (arta)

-- Yeah yeah we know, the land's been yours for the last 5,000 years. Still, one would think for a region that's been yours since before the Pyramids you'd have a better grip on owning it than relying on others (currently the US) to control it so you can wave your own flags and write nice little history books claiming it's been yours for millenia.

Building inspectors could be asked by the Mayor to see if a school was built according to the building laws.

The building inspectors could take measurements of the dimensions of the foundation and laboratory test results of the concrete can be quoted.

Many other types of analysis would be done to discover if the school was built according to the written building laws.

What the International Community wants to know is if there is a legal procedure for Kosovo to unilaterally declare independence while under UNSCR 1244.

If there is a legal procedure to declare independence while under UNSCR 1244, then the International Community wants to know if the procedures were followed legally and precisely as stipulated in writing.

There are many people who think that a Balkans Conference is a good way to achieve a legal and internationally acceptable compromise to the Kosovo matter.

'On rise,' meaning Serbia will do exactly what US wants them too.

We knew the day will come.
(aRta, 16 December 2009 17:32)

There is no correct answer to that: we will experience that increasingly US will apply less direct pressure worldwide to make others do what they want. The main reason is both economy and politics. Economy is obvious, as for politics - here no one is sure, what USA does really want to begin with, not even USA.

Compare it with the crisis of Soviet Union and you also may compare Obama with Gorbachyov.

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At least there's no suggestion this time that he made the whole thing up.
(Amer, 16 December 2009 17:02)

I expect some positive development, mostly related to economy. There are many big problems even Germans or British experience doing business with the States - these problems will stay because that is just the nature of beast. Otherwise we may see normalization (like giving JAT landing rights) and most optimistically "visa-free" (Hungarian-style) travel of Serbs and Croats to the States; maybe Montenegro, too. The biggest two parts of visa-free travel to the States is almost there:

- low rate of refusal (actually: not sure about the US, but the rate of refusal at Canadian consulate is already practically nil)
- biometric passport

This is rather symbolic - most of the people who fill the airplanes are either dual citizens or their relatives. With Dollar being so low some tourist agencies do advertise USA as shopping holiday for Serbs. There the visa-free travel can help. But I don't see any reason someone who fills out a visa application today would be refused if he writes "iPod, Nike, laptop, GPS" under the reason to visit the States.

Before, you could visit the PX at Camp Bondsteel for that reason - but apparently that little loophole is closed by the new commander. So some Albanians are probably flying, too.

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"Hillary may AGAIN decline to meet Jeremic, sending (this time) her driver for the appointment.
(PRN, 15 December 2009 10:29)"

-- Hmm, looks like Hillary's driver was too busy driving Bill around so the Madame Secretary had to meet Jeremic herself.

Don't worry PRN et al, Bill still loves you. And if you ever feel jilted by him, you can always take comfort in the bromance shared between Holbrook and Thaci.
(Mike, 16 December 2009 17:01)

She drove the car. Her driver was busy, Bill asked him to bring a fat girl in blue dress into his office.

As for Serbia? 22 out of 27 EU nations have recognized Kosova so leave aside the public statements and see the writing in the wall.
(ArTa, 16 December 2009 21:32)

Guys, if you're going to attempt to steal our land at least come up with your own name for Kosovo. Don't distort our language as well.
It's Kosovo as it is written in media all over the world, not Kosova.

Another diplomatic victory for Jeremic, Malwai, actually a democracy of 13 mil people, recognized Kosova.

Ataman, USA doesn't need to force anyone. See soft power. For example after Croatia defended Kosova in ICJ Clinton praised them and Mesic said that this will speed their EU accession. Montenegro also did it for the same reason.

As for Serbia? 22 out of 27 EU nations have recognized Kosova so leave aside the public statements and see the writing in the wall.

Guys, if you're going to attempt to steal our land at least come up with your own name for Kosovo. Don't distort our language as well.
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It has been our land long before people heard of Serbs so please be careful with the language you use.

Names come and go

hahaha, this handshake is a really worth seeing, just like that pic with Biden bowing to Serbian flag in Belgrade.
mrs. Clinton known for her change of direction for the sake of staying in power did it again. No more 'barbaric'
Serbs, mrs Clinton? This one is good enough for a cordial handshake. And before you know is she is coming to Belgrade!

"30 minutes, is that all."

At least there's no suggestion this time that he made the whole thing up.

Little Vuk not that lucky again.
(Olf, 16 December 2009 18:58)

To the contrary, Olf. We are happy, the mystery of disappeared used and oily Naurian fustanellas

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-k8TZgDHKE

is solved: Behgjet Pacolli obviously sent them back to Malawi by mistake.

http://www.b92.net/eng/news/comments.php?nav_id=63780#hrono

Now finally they have their @sse(t)s covered in Malawi and Russins need to agree with Mabetex what to do with these Naurian men. Maybe nothing, ask the ladies do they like what they see or not. Or is Malawi better than Nauru from that point of VIEW or not. They are the judge, not me: as said, my interests are pretty boring and traditional, nothing of alternative lifestyle. And besides, I am getting old, too.

(BTW: who is on 2:05 on that movie, can you please tell?)

As in Hungarian saying:

"Enver küzdj és bízva bízzál!"

The K-ALbs should stop whining on these sites and start helping their brothers and sisters. SUrely you must realize the Americans have used you for their own interests and probably no longer need you. You can't expect payments from the Federal Centre (Belgrade) as you have been for the last 100 years.

Its time to knuckle down and help all those young people you so proudly boast about before they turn to drugs and fanatical Islam.


http://www.helsinkitimes.fi/htimes/international-news/9255-kosovar-youth-neglected.html

Guys, if you're going to attempt to steal our land at least come up with your own name for Kosovo. Don't distort our language as well.
It's Kosovo as it is written in media all over the world, not Kosova.
(Peggy, 16 December 2009 22:56)

No worry Peggy name will be changed to Dardania as the flag but first we need to play it cool.

Next step make sure the north gets populated by albanians in 20 years there will be no sign purification.

1 more point I was busy yesterday to reply but regarding your claim of Serbs army not raping, and killing yes they did just rolle and cam did all that and Stole what they could since u claim stealing.

U know there was not a couch that was not riped since some villagers used to keep their cash in couches so truth all the houses that they took what they could the rest was ramsacked. I wish i could post photos u could see.

Before, you could visit the PX at Camp Bondsteel for that reason - but apparently that little loophole is closed by the new commander. So some Albanians are probably flying, too.
Ataman
Curious as to who you think could visit the PX at Bondsteel?
The only people ever allowed to shop at Bondsteel was military personnel and some US civilian personnel. This I know.
Anyone else who had anything that came from the PX there, had it bought for them.

-- Yeah yeah we know, the land's been yours for the last 5,000 years. Still, one would think for a region that's been yours since before the Pyramids you'd have a better grip on owning it than relying on others (currently the US) to control it so you can wave your own flags and write nice little history books claiming it's been yours for millenia.
(Mike, 17 December 2009 01:04)

Spot on Mike. I really can't believe they keep churning out that garbage. If I was an ALbanian I'd be embarrassed to claim to have been in the Balkans. I mean look it ALbania itself let alone Kosovo. People were fleeing ALbania to live in Kosovo but me thinks we will winess a reversal of that trend. Just remember Belgrade is paying for nothing and the Serbian people are just waiting.

PRN:

are you really THAT desperate to believe, that Serbia´s government only doesn´t "tell the truth" to the serbian poeple?

jesus, you must be VERY desperate, indeed.

now you even know what the serb officials do not dare to expose... =)

but, if YOU write that, it will very likely be the truth!

:)


as for Clinton:

she can come to Serbia, of course, everything that improves the Serbo-american relations is welcome, but one thing should be clear even to the most naive k-albanian kiddie...

there is no future for "kosovah"...

and improvement of these relations is certainly good for you too, my dear albanian friends! you don´t have to fear anything, since autonomy is good enough for you...

Ataman, play fair: most people can handle something straightforward in Hungarian like a chemical patent, but old political jokes should be ruled out in polite conversation.

Enver küzdj és bízva bízzál!

Ok, it's a play on "Ember küzdj és bízva bízzál! " - "Oh, Man strive on, have faith and trust"

And Enver = Enver Hodzsa?

I still don't get it (as a joke). In the current context.

How about an explication?

Ataman
Curious as to who you think could visit the PX at Bondsteel?
(pss, 16 December 2009 23:15)

Under normal circumstances every better village all across East Europe has their very own American ex-gastarbajter. It's a family which spent years or decades overseas and has dual citizenship. It is normal that if they fly to visit the States again they carry a long list what to bring to neighbors. That list consists mostly of shoes, iPods, laptops.

In some places like Germany, BiH, Italy the situation is easier because of PX. How to get in is a different question and I won't discuss it openly for obvious reasons ;-)

I did not try (yet) with the US base near Urosevac ("Camp Bondsteel") but apparently it was less restricted and presenting the US passport was good enough in the past. That - according the rumors - changed recently. I can (and will) try it one day in person, but one needs to be more resourceful.

In any case it is closer to us and I am more often in that area than in Germany, so it's worth to try.

One can argue, that buying anything at PX means supporting Dick Cheney directly since almost everywhere his company (Halliburton) is one of the organizers of the shopping infrastructure.

Unfortunately, doing anything else is not much better. For instance if you buy gasoline for your car than you either support the same Dick Cheney even more directly or some Russian oligarhs (Lukoil). And since these Russian oligarkhs are buddies with Dick - it's all essentially the same.

Besides, inshallah, the president of Lukoil is a great Russian whose name is Vahid Yusufoğlu Alakhbarov. That, too, spoils the patriotic feelings to a great degree. :-(

Well, if that's the case, I hope it 'shtays fine for yee' (sic)

MB,Ireland

Ataman, play fair: most people can handle something straightforward in Hungarian like a chemical patent, but old political jokes should be ruled out in polite conversation.

Enver küzdj és bízva bízzál!

Ok, it's a play on "Ember küzdj és bízva bízzál! " - "Oh, Man strive on, have faith and trust"

And Enver = Enver Hodzsa?

I still don't get it (as a joke). In the current context.

How about an explication?
(Amer, 16 December 2009 22:00)

Deepest respect, Amer for your language skills. This joke was intent for Joe and Szemi tough, but with this posting you earned some very serious respect. Not every American or Albanian can understand Russian to the degree you do - but to understand that twisted Hungarian joke - that is somewhat really special.

Yes, indeed, this is a play with the words "Ember" versus "Enver" (Hodzsa/Hoxha). The meaning of the original joke is:

"you, Albanians can strive and can have faith - but you are way to small to be a power". It is of the series like:

- "Miért bukkan fel az albán tengeralattjáró a víz színére olyan gyakran?"
- "Hogy az evezösök levegöt vegyenek"

(- "Why does submerge the Albanian submarine so often?"
- "To let the rowers take some fresh air")

I am well aware of the rudeness and political incorrectness of the above, but the Hungarian urban culture is full of such "masterpieces" about almost everyone.

(- "Mi volt a neve az Izraeli jégkorongozónak?
- "Majse Greestem" )

I leave out the Chinese and Russian jokes because their "quality" is even lower and B92 would censor them even in Hungarian.

What is unfair: I am not aware, there are Hungarian jokes in Albania, Israel, Russia or China despite that quite a few Hungarians deserved them.

The "Ember" versus "Enver" joke is not that rude, of course - you need not just to know Hungarian, but also know the work of Imre Madách to understand it. Besides - isn't it true?

Yeah yeah we know, the land's been yours for the last 5,000 years.
(Mike, 17 December 2009 01:04)

From some point of view that 5000 years is correct, the problem is the simplification. Ghegs seem to be an isolated "island" of pre-Indo-Europeans (think: Bask-Etrusk-Georgian "islands" all over the continent). One of the interesting maybe related questions is: why the early Georgian kingdom was called "Iveria" - but the entire peninsula in the West is "Iberia".

Quite a few sources consider Ghegs being like Basks or Georgians: remains of than-numerous related tribes who lived all over Europe before ever Illyrians or Celts came.

'the Hungarian urban culture is full of such "masterpieces" about almost everyone. '

U.S. culture used to be full of ethnic jokes, too, but now we're so politically correct no one dares to tell them. Or gets them - you have to know the stereotype of a nationality in most cases, and these are being forgotten. A pity, in a way. (Perhaps Hungarians are too individualistic for other countries to have stereotypes of them as a nationality?

Anyway, you didn't mention jokes at Americans' expense in Hungarian. Almost everyone complains that we can't learn foreign languages, for example. I know the Czech complain that we're always offering advice, usually unwanted, but that's in our genetic code - impossible to prevent even if the individual tries.

But I don't see any reason someone who fills out a visa application today would be refused if he writes "iPod, Nike, laptop, GPS" under the reason to visit the States.
(Ataman, 17 December 2009 16:28)

Once again you made my day, earlier this year my sister went to the American embassy in Brasilia and she listed Iphone and Apple Laptop as one of the reasons why she wanted to go to the U.S and even though she didn't meet half of the requirements, the U.S government gave her a Tourist Visa for 5 years,she already went there and brought the things that she wanted(Iphone),but she could stay there if she wanted too.

This picture is not real! Clinton would never meet Jeremic face to face. She loves Albanian to much to meet Serbs.

I dunno why folks like b92 keeps lying or publishing distorted stories of what was talked about...

What a shame on poor journalism!!!

Clinton: Serbia still a troublemaker was the message to Jeremic.

Jeremić: Serbia-U.S. relations "on rise"

Certainly, BUT only since you certainly promised that you are designing the strategy/plan to tell Serbian population the TRUTH that Serbia has no future without recognising Kosovo.
Thus no SSA, no EU candidacy and certainly no EU membership only living in Gheto is guaranteed.

Ther is no more Kosovo or the EU...Kosovo is gone and is history BUT the focus is:
Recognise OR EU

Little Vuk not that lucky again.Just after he thought that he has achieved something when Sec. of State acceted to meet him, Malawi sent, spoled his fun.

kosovo is proving to be a success story. Rule fo law is being applied in all parts of Kosovo and organised crime in northern part is not being supported by Belgrade like before ...

Go go Kosovo, on your way

Good try but America has already a loyal ally in the Balkans and not Russian one day and west another. Still the interesting part is, while Jeremic always seems to mention "Kosovo was Serbia" something the lines, he left that part with Clinton, why is that Jeremic? You were affraid of her respond?

WOW 30 minutes!!! With the customary greeting and Good bye plus the photo session for Serbia's benefit, I guess that left what 2 minutes to achieve a "closeness" between the 2 countries.
And some thought she would never give him the time of day.

Ther is no more Kosovo or the EU...Kosovo is gone and is history BUT the focus is:
Recognise OR EU
(PRN, 16 December 2009, 11:21)

Keep dreaming. North of Kosovo is still very much Serbia and recognition of "Kosova" is not needed for Serbia to do anything internationally. As for EU, the Serbian people themselves should have a referendum if they even want to be a part of the EU. That is true democracy. If only CG, Macedonia, and many other countries had a referendum on recognizing "Kosova" you would not have many states that recognized you.

Look, I will try and keep it simple for you: The West does not want Serbia siding with Russia more than they already have so they will not try and alienate Serbia any further. Serbia is playing its cards right.

I bet you really hate to see this article though...

"This picture is not real! Clinton would never meet Jeremic face to face. She loves Albanian to much to meet Serbs.
(Albani, 16 December 2009 11:30)"

You are getting Hillary Clinton confused with Bill Clinton. She may do the opposite of him (side with Serbs) to get him back for cheating on her.

'On rise,' meaning Serbia will do exactly what US wants them too.

We knew the day will come.

Ther is no more Kosovo or the EU...Kosovo is gone and is history BUT the focus is:
Recognise OR EU
(PRN, 16 December 2009, 11:21)
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Kosovo is gone? I'm surprised that we still get our daily dose of "Kosovo is gone", "there is no returning to Serbia", "Kosovo is independent" and so on. I mean, if that were truly the case, why would you need to repeat it so often? Do we get Montenegrins coming here on a daily basis proclaiming "Montengro is independent"? That is the difference between fantasy and reality my friends.

Can someone please point out who exactly is claiming Serbia's recognition of Kosovo is a condition for EU membership? I ask because I don't want Serbia in and I'd like to start supporting them because I know Serbia can never recognise "Kosova".

However, I'm pretty sure this idea is just wishful thinking. Also, I can't believe Clinton met Jeremic. I thought he'd only have the privilege to meet her driver? Oh well, some people are very consistent with getting it wrong.

Guys, if you're going to attempt to steal our land at least come up with your own name for Kosovo. Don't distort our language as well.
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It has been our land long before people heard of Serbs so please be careful with the language you use.

Names come and go

The Brittish wrote an arrest warrant for israeli minister tzipi livni, guilty of unspeakable war crimes against humanity. The Serbs, when freed from foreign agents in the government, should do the same should, Solana Clinton blair & Co set their foots on serbian soil...

This picture is not real! Clinton would never meet Jeremic face to face. She loves Albanian to much to meet Serbs.
(Albani, 16 December 2009 11:30)

--Get over it! This isn't the Ottoman empire--everybody talks to everybody now-a-days and not "through" the world powers like they did in the days-of-old.
This meeting is a necessity because Serbia is the center of the Balkans. Without engaging Serbia, the US cannot conduct extensive policies there.
Again, Kosovo is not the issue, it never was, it never is. The Balkans is the issue.
The Americans(or better still, the barbaric regime during that time)believed they could apply force(illegally)to make the Serbs submit to their ultimatum. But they were unsuccessful. Worse still, they drove Serbia further East(With their bombs and slander using their media monopoly and military war machine respectively).
Now they are using diplomacy to achieve their initial goals with the addition of repairing the damage they caused. Serbs should cooperate, but only where it benefits them because frankly, this initiative is too little, too late.

'Jeremić invited Clinton to visit Serbia, which she accepted, it was also announced.'

Wow, brave woman! She is going to dodge Serbian sniper fire again?? :))
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/tim-graham/2008/03/22/wapo-awards-four-pinocchios-hillary-sniper-fire-fable
Stay home Hillary, we don't want you, and no, we don't like you.

where is the for Jeremic sooo important issue KOSOVO? Jeremic missed to instruct Madam Secretary Clinton on this issue. For sure the relations are "rising" because they exclude Kosovo in their talks.

after 30 mins, Malawi recognizes.

Another diplomatic victory for Jeremic, Malwai, actually a democracy of 13 mil people, recognized Kosova.

Ataman, USA doesn't need to force anyone. See soft power. For example after Croatia defended Kosova in ICJ Clinton praised them and Mesic said that this will speed their EU accession. Montenegro also did it for the same reason.

As for Serbia? 22 out of 27 EU nations have recognized Kosova so leave aside the public statements and see the writing in the wall.

30 minutes, is that all.

I have spent more time in a Tim Hortons drive thru.

I guess no coffee and donuts were served, eeeehhh!

She's acting friendly now. Looks like she forgave us for sniping at her on Tuzla airport, ha-ha-ha!

"30 minutes, is that all."

At least there's no suggestion this time that he made the whole thing up.

He should have handed her an arrest warrent for crimes against humanity and illegally waging war whilst he was at it!! Perhaps he'll do that if she ever lands in Serbia.

Jeremic should have Hillary come to Serbia to coincide with "Operation Storm Day". The two could watch the Croat festivities,concerts and other commemorating celebrations on satellite TV while having lunch.
Many credible VIP are privately and openly saying that the Croats took full advantage of the West's "good will" in order to carry out their own campaign of ethnically cleansing and murdering innocent civilians, which included untold numbers of women and children. If the West rewards the Croats the legal Serbian territory of Kraina and does not return the ethnically cleansed Serbs to their land and homes, then the sane and moral world will decide who really orchestrated this brutal and shameful crime against humanity. And then the sane and the moral will make it right.

Ye shall know them by their fruits.

"Hillary may AGAIN decline to meet Jeremic, sending (this time) her driver for the appointment.
(PRN, 15 December 2009 10:29)"

-- Hmm, looks like Hillary's driver was too busy driving Bill around so the Madame Secretary had to meet Jeremic herself.

Don't worry PRN et al, Bill still loves you. And if you ever feel jilted by him, you can always take comfort in the bromance shared between Holbrook and Thaci.

Vuk my boy dont worry, once a lier always a lier my friend. Remember the famous Snipers in Bosnia story??? Shes a joke like her husband!

As for Serbia? 22 out of 27 EU nations have recognized Kosova so leave aside the public statements and see the writing in the wall.
(ArTa, 16 December 2009 21:32)

Guys, if you're going to attempt to steal our land at least come up with your own name for Kosovo. Don't distort our language as well.
It's Kosovo as it is written in media all over the world, not Kosova.

"It has been our land long before people heard of Serbs so please be careful with the language you use." (arta)

-- Yeah yeah we know, the land's been yours for the last 5,000 years. Still, one would think for a region that's been yours since before the Pyramids you'd have a better grip on owning it than relying on others (currently the US) to control it so you can wave your own flags and write nice little history books claiming it's been yours for millenia.

Building inspectors could be asked by the Mayor to see if a school was built according to the building laws.

The building inspectors could take measurements of the dimensions of the foundation and laboratory test results of the concrete can be quoted.

Many other types of analysis would be done to discover if the school was built according to the written building laws.

What the International Community wants to know is if there is a legal procedure for Kosovo to unilaterally declare independence while under UNSCR 1244.

If there is a legal procedure to declare independence while under UNSCR 1244, then the International Community wants to know if the procedures were followed legally and precisely as stipulated in writing.

There are many people who think that a Balkans Conference is a good way to achieve a legal and internationally acceptable compromise to the Kosovo matter.

'On rise,' meaning Serbia will do exactly what US wants them too.

We knew the day will come.
(aRta, 16 December 2009 17:32)

There is no correct answer to that: we will experience that increasingly US will apply less direct pressure worldwide to make others do what they want. The main reason is both economy and politics. Economy is obvious, as for politics - here no one is sure, what USA does really want to begin with, not even USA.

Compare it with the crisis of Soviet Union and you also may compare Obama with Gorbachyov.

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At least there's no suggestion this time that he made the whole thing up.
(Amer, 16 December 2009 17:02)

I expect some positive development, mostly related to economy. There are many big problems even Germans or British experience doing business with the States - these problems will stay because that is just the nature of beast. Otherwise we may see normalization (like giving JAT landing rights) and most optimistically "visa-free" (Hungarian-style) travel of Serbs and Croats to the States; maybe Montenegro, too. The biggest two parts of visa-free travel to the States is almost there:

- low rate of refusal (actually: not sure about the US, but the rate of refusal at Canadian consulate is already practically nil)
- biometric passport

This is rather symbolic - most of the people who fill the airplanes are either dual citizens or their relatives. With Dollar being so low some tourist agencies do advertise USA as shopping holiday for Serbs. There the visa-free travel can help. But I don't see any reason someone who fills out a visa application today would be refused if he writes "iPod, Nike, laptop, GPS" under the reason to visit the States.

Before, you could visit the PX at Camp Bondsteel for that reason - but apparently that little loophole is closed by the new commander. So some Albanians are probably flying, too.

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"Hillary may AGAIN decline to meet Jeremic, sending (this time) her driver for the appointment.
(PRN, 15 December 2009 10:29)"

-- Hmm, looks like Hillary's driver was too busy driving Bill around so the Madame Secretary had to meet Jeremic herself.

Don't worry PRN et al, Bill still loves you. And if you ever feel jilted by him, you can always take comfort in the bromance shared between Holbrook and Thaci.
(Mike, 16 December 2009 17:01)

She drove the car. Her driver was busy, Bill asked him to bring a fat girl in blue dress into his office.

"Little Vuk not that lucky again.Just after he thought that he has achieved something when Sec. of State acceted to meet him, Malawi sent, spoled his fun." (Olf)

-- Now, I'm certainly not the biggest fan of my country's foreign policy, but I think it's a safe bet to make that establishing stronger relations between Serbia and the United States is somewhat more important than a country that Madonna occasionally likes to shop around for kids in recognizes an entity with roughly the same GDP output. An annoyance? Perhaps. Spoiling the fun? Hardly. Let me guess: you actually take Christopher Dell at his word :)

Guys, if you're going to attempt to steal our land at least come up with your own name for Kosovo. Don't distort our language as well.
It's Kosovo as it is written in media all over the world, not Kosova.
(Peggy, 16 December 2009 22:56)

No worry Peggy name will be changed to Dardania as the flag but first we need to play it cool.

Next step make sure the north gets populated by albanians in 20 years there will be no sign purification.

1 more point I was busy yesterday to reply but regarding your claim of Serbs army not raping, and killing yes they did just rolle and cam did all that and Stole what they could since u claim stealing.

U know there was not a couch that was not riped since some villagers used to keep their cash in couches so truth all the houses that they took what they could the rest was ramsacked. I wish i could post photos u could see.

This picture is not real! Clinton would never meet Jeremic face to face. She loves Albanian to much to meet Serbs.
(Albani, 16 December 2009 11:30)
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For you and your twelve friends: how's the weather out there in Trollhätten? Should be pretty cold and snowy, I guess. Hope Russians have enough gas to warm you up if the situation would be more critical. You can't KEK them in the @ass that easy, you know.

Счастливо!

"after 30 mins, Malawi recognizes." (genti)

-- Now I'm not 100% certain on this, so take it with some margin of estimated error, but I somehow doubt this is going to tip the scales in decisive favor of the Albanians. If Saudi Arabia's and New Zealand's recognition got you no closer to crossing the Ibar or stopping Feith from carving out more Serbian municipalities, I think it's safe to say Malawi's recognition won't either.

Little Vuk not that lucky again.
(Olf, 16 December 2009 18:58)

To the contrary, Olf. We are happy, the mystery of disappeared used and oily Naurian fustanellas

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-k8TZgDHKE

is solved: Behgjet Pacolli obviously sent them back to Malawi by mistake.

http://www.b92.net/eng/news/comments.php?nav_id=63780#hrono

Now finally they have their @sse(t)s covered in Malawi and Russins need to agree with Mabetex what to do with these Naurian men. Maybe nothing, ask the ladies do they like what they see or not. Or is Malawi better than Nauru from that point of VIEW or not. They are the judge, not me: as said, my interests are pretty boring and traditional, nothing of alternative lifestyle. And besides, I am getting old, too.

(BTW: who is on 2:05 on that movie, can you please tell?)

As in Hungarian saying:

"Enver küzdj és bízva bízzál!"

@ ALBANI
"...She loves Albanian too much to meet Serbs"

It would sound like a comment of a desperate jolted lover, but the lover never was. It's only a sad infatuation of a pubescent boy with some ageing actress he will never come close to.

This picture is not real! Clinton would never meet Jeremic face to face. She loves Albanian to much to meet Serbs.
(Albani, 16 December 2009 11:30)

Oh, did the easter bunny tell you this?
If this is the extent of Albanian diplomacy, you guys are going to fail miserably.

30 minutes, is that all.
(Another Canadian Serb

If in the end the woman comes, to Belgrade who cares if it lasted 30 minutes or one hour. Of course there'll be snipers on airport if and when she comes. Routine security. Bah.

Ataman, play fair: most people can handle something straightforward in Hungarian like a chemical patent, but old political jokes should be ruled out in polite conversation.

Enver küzdj és bízva bízzál!

Ok, it's a play on "Ember küzdj és bízva bízzál! " - "Oh, Man strive on, have faith and trust"

And Enver = Enver Hodzsa?

I still don't get it (as a joke). In the current context.

How about an explication?

-- Yeah yeah we know, the land's been yours for the last 5,000 years. Still, one would think for a region that's been yours since before the Pyramids you'd have a better grip on owning it than relying on others (currently the US) to control it so you can wave your own flags and write nice little history books claiming it's been yours for millenia.
(Mike, 17 December 2009 01:04)

Spot on Mike. I really can't believe they keep churning out that garbage. If I was an ALbanian I'd be embarrassed to claim to have been in the Balkans. I mean look it ALbania itself let alone Kosovo. People were fleeing ALbania to live in Kosovo but me thinks we will winess a reversal of that trend. Just remember Belgrade is paying for nothing and the Serbian people are just waiting.

Kevin, good post...very well-stated.

Before, you could visit the PX at Camp Bondsteel for that reason - but apparently that little loophole is closed by the new commander. So some Albanians are probably flying, too.
Ataman
Curious as to who you think could visit the PX at Bondsteel?
The only people ever allowed to shop at Bondsteel was military personnel and some US civilian personnel. This I know.
Anyone else who had anything that came from the PX there, had it bought for them.

The K-ALbs should stop whining on these sites and start helping their brothers and sisters. SUrely you must realize the Americans have used you for their own interests and probably no longer need you. You can't expect payments from the Federal Centre (Belgrade) as you have been for the last 100 years.

Its time to knuckle down and help all those young people you so proudly boast about before they turn to drugs and fanatical Islam.


http://www.helsinkitimes.fi/htimes/international-news/9255-kosovar-youth-neglected.html

Ataman, play fair: most people can handle something straightforward in Hungarian like a chemical patent, but old political jokes should be ruled out in polite conversation.

Enver küzdj és bízva bízzál!

Ok, it's a play on "Ember küzdj és bízva bízzál! " - "Oh, Man strive on, have faith and trust"

And Enver = Enver Hodzsa?

I still don't get it (as a joke). In the current context.

How about an explication?
(Amer, 16 December 2009 22:00)

Deepest respect, Amer for your language skills. This joke was intent for Joe and Szemi tough, but with this posting you earned some very serious respect. Not every American or Albanian can understand Russian to the degree you do - but to understand that twisted Hungarian joke - that is somewhat really special.

Yes, indeed, this is a play with the words "Ember" versus "Enver" (Hodzsa/Hoxha). The meaning of the original joke is:

"you, Albanians can strive and can have faith - but you are way to small to be a power". It is of the series like:

- "Miért bukkan fel az albán tengeralattjáró a víz színére olyan gyakran?"
- "Hogy az evezösök levegöt vegyenek"

(- "Why does submerge the Albanian submarine so often?"
- "To let the rowers take some fresh air")

I am well aware of the rudeness and political incorrectness of the above, but the Hungarian urban culture is full of such "masterpieces" about almost everyone.

(- "Mi volt a neve az Izraeli jégkorongozónak?
- "Majse Greestem" )

I leave out the Chinese and Russian jokes because their "quality" is even lower and B92 would censor them even in Hungarian.

What is unfair: I am not aware, there are Hungarian jokes in Albania, Israel, Russia or China despite that quite a few Hungarians deserved them.

The "Ember" versus "Enver" joke is not that rude, of course - you need not just to know Hungarian, but also know the work of Imre Madách to understand it. Besides - isn't it true?

PRN:

are you really THAT desperate to believe, that Serbia´s government only doesn´t "tell the truth" to the serbian poeple?

jesus, you must be VERY desperate, indeed.

now you even know what the serb officials do not dare to expose... =)

but, if YOU write that, it will very likely be the truth!

:)


as for Clinton:

she can come to Serbia, of course, everything that improves the Serbo-american relations is welcome, but one thing should be clear even to the most naive k-albanian kiddie...

there is no future for "kosovah"...

and improvement of these relations is certainly good for you too, my dear albanian friends! you don´t have to fear anything, since autonomy is good enough for you...

Yeah yeah we know, the land's been yours for the last 5,000 years.
(Mike, 17 December 2009 01:04)

From some point of view that 5000 years is correct, the problem is the simplification. Ghegs seem to be an isolated "island" of pre-Indo-Europeans (think: Bask-Etrusk-Georgian "islands" all over the continent). One of the interesting maybe related questions is: why the early Georgian kingdom was called "Iveria" - but the entire peninsula in the West is "Iberia".

Quite a few sources consider Ghegs being like Basks or Georgians: remains of than-numerous related tribes who lived all over Europe before ever Illyrians or Celts came.

'the Hungarian urban culture is full of such "masterpieces" about almost everyone. '

U.S. culture used to be full of ethnic jokes, too, but now we're so politically correct no one dares to tell them. Or gets them - you have to know the stereotype of a nationality in most cases, and these are being forgotten. A pity, in a way. (Perhaps Hungarians are too individualistic for other countries to have stereotypes of them as a nationality?

Anyway, you didn't mention jokes at Americans' expense in Hungarian. Almost everyone complains that we can't learn foreign languages, for example. I know the Czech complain that we're always offering advice, usually unwanted, but that's in our genetic code - impossible to prevent even if the individual tries.

hahaha, this handshake is a really worth seeing, just like that pic with Biden bowing to Serbian flag in Belgrade.
mrs. Clinton known for her change of direction for the sake of staying in power did it again. No more 'barbaric'
Serbs, mrs Clinton? This one is good enough for a cordial handshake. And before you know is she is coming to Belgrade!

Ataman
Curious as to who you think could visit the PX at Bondsteel?
(pss, 16 December 2009 23:15)

Under normal circumstances every better village all across East Europe has their very own American ex-gastarbajter. It's a family which spent years or decades overseas and has dual citizenship. It is normal that if they fly to visit the States again they carry a long list what to bring to neighbors. That list consists mostly of shoes, iPods, laptops.

In some places like Germany, BiH, Italy the situation is easier because of PX. How to get in is a different question and I won't discuss it openly for obvious reasons ;-)

I did not try (yet) with the US base near Urosevac ("Camp Bondsteel") but apparently it was less restricted and presenting the US passport was good enough in the past. That - according the rumors - changed recently. I can (and will) try it one day in person, but one needs to be more resourceful.

In any case it is closer to us and I am more often in that area than in Germany, so it's worth to try.

One can argue, that buying anything at PX means supporting Dick Cheney directly since almost everywhere his company (Halliburton) is one of the organizers of the shopping infrastructure.

Unfortunately, doing anything else is not much better. For instance if you buy gasoline for your car than you either support the same Dick Cheney even more directly or some Russian oligarhs (Lukoil). And since these Russian oligarkhs are buddies with Dick - it's all essentially the same.

Besides, inshallah, the president of Lukoil is a great Russian whose name is Vahid Yusufoğlu Alakhbarov. That, too, spoils the patriotic feelings to a great degree. :-(

Well, if that's the case, I hope it 'shtays fine for yee' (sic)

MB,Ireland

But I don't see any reason someone who fills out a visa application today would be refused if he writes "iPod, Nike, laptop, GPS" under the reason to visit the States.
(Ataman, 17 December 2009 16:28)

Once again you made my day, earlier this year my sister went to the American embassy in Brasilia and she listed Iphone and Apple Laptop as one of the reasons why she wanted to go to the U.S and even though she didn't meet half of the requirements, the U.S government gave her a Tourist Visa for 5 years,she already went there and brought the things that she wanted(Iphone),but she could stay there if she wanted too.