Hello Zoran... thanks for your consults, but no thanks... you can spent them for yourself... here in Kosovo, we are ready to wait a better day, but without Belgrade and his peaple like you...
in 2006, how many peaple of Serbia voted your constitution... there was tow time to vote, no, because your peaple dont like even serbian gov, no??? you can understand that in Europe, in Switzerland, when I live now, there is no more than 30 % of peaple how are going to vote... you don't like, but that the democracy... if we want to change things, we have to vote, and our vote is we want our Kosovo, but not Serbia... thanks for respecting our view, and not only yours, because we had your authority until 1999, and we "accepted" it until 1999... but no more... there is a Kosovo, and his peaple, and we are now independent, that's the democracy... thanks God...
I'm surprised at serbs commenting the Kosovo elections turnout when you know that a few years ago...Serbia was forced to wave the legal thresold of 50% !!! Their elections couldn't be validated twice because of a lack of participation...
And as to prosperity....please Zoran...we all read newspapers. Does the IMF still rent an office in Serbian government building ???...Serbia is bankrupted
What tells to you participation of Shterpce residents in voting with 54.26%?! What tells to you that SLS candidate won there with 4.345 votes (65% of total votes)?! Please don't try to say that people like this old men with plis have voted for SLS!
What a beautiful old man with his beautiful plis (pileus) hat in his beautiful land Kosova=Dardania enjoying his democratic right to vote freely in the democratic Kosova.
(ben, 14 December 2009 13:15)
Ben,
Did they not have the right to dress the way they want, speak the language they want and vote if they wanted to before 1999?
I've heard/seen/read Serbs claim that Albanians emigrated en masse to Serbia. Since when did this happen? Are you talking about 1999?
Otherwise, what other significant event was there?
(Ptoleme, 14 December 2009 20:00)
I'd like for Serbs to visit some of the Kosovar settlements within Albania proper in Durres and Fier from Kosovar Albanians who fled Serb persecution between the two world wars.
If you think any Albanian could ever leave Hoxha's Albania for Kosova then you are deluding yourself.
The only Albanian migrations after Albania's independence have been into Albania specificaly from Chameria (Northern Greece) and Kosova.
The picture is beautiful, the process is beautiful, the plis is fabulous proof of the ancient and glorious Albanian history and the democracy is at work in Kosova.
(ben, 14 December 2009 21:50)
--
ben, didn't you read the article or is the below the type of democracy ethnic Albanians keep promoting?
Ismet Krueziju of the Democracy in Action non-governmental organization said that there was double-voting, physical assaults, bribes, ballot box stuffing, attempts to vote in the name of the deceased, pictures of candidates appearing at the polling stations, electricity being cut off, among other infractions.
--
Democracy is alive and well in Kosovo ;)
The picture is beautiful, the process is beautiful, the plis is fabulous proof of the ancient and glorious Albanian history and the democracy is at work in Kosova.
People are free to vote for whoever they want - if they want.
If they turn in 38% or 98% it is their free democratic choice. It is democracy.
The 38% shows that the status in hearts and minds (as well as de jure and de facto) is closed for Kosovars.
It is obvious that they do not suffer from the inferiority to justify to you or anyone else that the state of Kosova is reality and that they are happy being free and independent to live and vote in independent Kosova.
It is your wish that Kosovars have doubts and to be scared of losing the state thus they should catch every opportunity to show that they are happy with the independent Kosova.
All you need is to admire them- but be sure that if you don’t it is not a problem at all no one needs your sympathy.
Better in Albanian hell than Serb paradise.
(Zoti, 14 December 2009 16:21)
--
You might want to say that to those Albanians that fled into Kosovo not so long ago. They all came to Serbia for a better life and they got it.
Anyway, Serbia achieved close to a 70% turnout when motivated and I'm sure our ethnic Albanians will get 80% if the right type of party for the right reasons is formed.
This is not about Kosova returning to Serbia or Kosovo already being in Serbia. It's about taking the province forward instead of living in a made up past, as so many people do.
Anyway, the people will speak up sooner or later. It just depends on their threshold for pain. The people in Pristina cannot hold the province back forever.
What a beautiful old man with his beautiful plis (pileus) hat in his beautiful land Kosova=Dardania enjoying his democratic right to vote freely in the democratic Kosova.
(ben, 14 December 2009 13:15)
Ben,
A bit of advice for you, lay off the Kool-Aid for a while.
38% is a shockingly bad turnout. It sums up that apathy rules in NATO's latest protectorate after Afghanistan.
In the mean time, we can all eat some popcorn while watching another episode of the decade Kosovo stood still.
(Zoran, 14 December 2009 15:59
It is better now in Kosovo than what it was before 1999 when 800 000 albanians was forced to leave their homes because of repression from serbian state organs.
Today we are building better roads,schools,hospitals and nobody is afraid of state organs like the police and army.
Wow! I'm impressed! 38 percent! I guess the albanians are as eager over their "dependence" as the rest of the world. More people would have voted if Kosovo was truly independent.
'When you finally get some moderates in power who are willing to represent the people you may finally get a motivated 80% turnout.'
In what democracy in the world (where voting is not compulsory, that is) do you get an 80% turnout?? In a non-presidential election. Not to mention a run-off. We're lucky to get anything over 60% in the U.S. in a presidential election.
BTW, if there's ever an election on whether Kosovo should join Serbia, under any arrangement, I'm sure there will be a massive showing at the polls. People easily distinguish between existential and routine elections.
Zoran, are you sure???
(Ymer, 14 December 2009 12:51)
--
Yes, I'm pretty sure negotiations will occur but not while you have criminals like Thaci as your leaders. When you finally get some moderates in power who are willing to represent the people you may finally get a motivated 80% turnout. In the mean time, we can all eat some popcorn while watching another episode of the decade Kosovo stood still.
If Serbia can convince K-Albanians about "peaceful and prosperous future" within Serbia all problems are solved.
But Serbia has failed miserably to do that. It wasted a whole century to achieve that and everyone ran our of patience. I would say 100 years waiting for Serbia to offer a "peaceful and prosperous future" to K-Albanians, it's beyond any logical patience.
Your word and the others in here won't cut it either. Hence the conviction that independent, albeit " not as prosperous" solution outside Serbia is better than you could ever offer. As for "peaceful", I must say there is nothing to compare with the events of a decade ago.
What a beautiful old man with his beautiful plis (pileus) hat in his beautiful land Kosova=Dardania enjoying his democratic right to vote freely in the democratic Kosova.
38% of Kosovo are delusioned traitors acording to Zoran and all his bodys that have no conection to Kosovo what so ever.
If you pay attention, these are the run up elections. Unlike the "Serb only" citizen elections, that lifes were threatened and tv's and flour exchanged for fake votes, it is sad that he has no real idea of who has more nationalism in his own throat.
If you dont find anything wrong with these elections, you go down to numbers, if the numbers were healthy, you would of blamed the what???
Zoran negotiation will not bring food on the table and will not bring heat on winter either. And it is not as bad as you say it is in Kosovo. You cannot found one single albanian who want to negotiate with Serbia. Not even that man who has no food or a house.
And in the end majority rules and the majority in Kosovo lives as good as serbs in Serbia. maybee even better.
You can continue to to hope but I can proomise you on behalf of all albanians that there will never be any negotiations with Serbia about our own status. If Serbia continues like this there will be no negotiations with Serbia at all and then Serbia will never be a member of EU.
Independence is irreversble and after ICJ there is more to come. Kosovo will never be Serbian I can promise you that too.
This is a good sign of the mood in our province. 38% is a shockingly low turnout and it demonstates the disillusionment coming from the people. They are stuck in self-imposed isolation with no future prospects.
We have ethnic Albanians in the US and Europe claiming they would rather starve or die than to negotiate a peaceful and prosperous future. It's easy for them to say when they have food on the table and heating during winter.
There will come a point when ethnic Albanians in Kosovo have had enough. They will reject the blind nationalism being shoved down their throats and decide they want change - and change will only come through further negotiations.
Lets see how long they can tolerate prison camp "Kosova".
What a beautiful old man with his beautiful plis (pileus) hat in his beautiful land Kosova=Dardania enjoying his democratic right to vote freely in the democratic Kosova.
Zoran negotiation will not bring food on the table and will not bring heat on winter either. And it is not as bad as you say it is in Kosovo. You cannot found one single albanian who want to negotiate with Serbia. Not even that man who has no food or a house.
And in the end majority rules and the majority in Kosovo lives as good as serbs in Serbia. maybee even better.
You can continue to to hope but I can proomise you on behalf of all albanians that there will never be any negotiations with Serbia about our own status. If Serbia continues like this there will be no negotiations with Serbia at all and then Serbia will never be a member of EU.
Independence is irreversble and after ICJ there is more to come. Kosovo will never be Serbian I can promise you that too.
This is a good sign of the mood in our province. 38% is a shockingly low turnout and it demonstates the disillusionment coming from the people. They are stuck in self-imposed isolation with no future prospects.
We have ethnic Albanians in the US and Europe claiming they would rather starve or die than to negotiate a peaceful and prosperous future. It's easy for them to say when they have food on the table and heating during winter.
There will come a point when ethnic Albanians in Kosovo have had enough. They will reject the blind nationalism being shoved down their throats and decide they want change - and change will only come through further negotiations.
Lets see how long they can tolerate prison camp "Kosova".
Zoran, are you sure???
(Ymer, 14 December 2009 12:51)
--
Yes, I'm pretty sure negotiations will occur but not while you have criminals like Thaci as your leaders. When you finally get some moderates in power who are willing to represent the people you may finally get a motivated 80% turnout. In the mean time, we can all eat some popcorn while watching another episode of the decade Kosovo stood still.
38% of Kosovo are delusioned traitors acording to Zoran and all his bodys that have no conection to Kosovo what so ever.
If you pay attention, these are the run up elections. Unlike the "Serb only" citizen elections, that lifes were threatened and tv's and flour exchanged for fake votes, it is sad that he has no real idea of who has more nationalism in his own throat.
If you dont find anything wrong with these elections, you go down to numbers, if the numbers were healthy, you would of blamed the what???
'When you finally get some moderates in power who are willing to represent the people you may finally get a motivated 80% turnout.'
In what democracy in the world (where voting is not compulsory, that is) do you get an 80% turnout?? In a non-presidential election. Not to mention a run-off. We're lucky to get anything over 60% in the U.S. in a presidential election.
BTW, if there's ever an election on whether Kosovo should join Serbia, under any arrangement, I'm sure there will be a massive showing at the polls. People easily distinguish between existential and routine elections.
Wow! I'm impressed! 38 percent! I guess the albanians are as eager over their "dependence" as the rest of the world. More people would have voted if Kosovo was truly independent.
In the mean time, we can all eat some popcorn while watching another episode of the decade Kosovo stood still.
(Zoran, 14 December 2009 15:59
It is better now in Kosovo than what it was before 1999 when 800 000 albanians was forced to leave their homes because of repression from serbian state organs.
Today we are building better roads,schools,hospitals and nobody is afraid of state organs like the police and army.
I've heard/seen/read Serbs claim that Albanians emigrated en masse to Serbia. Since when did this happen? Are you talking about 1999?
Otherwise, what other significant event was there?
(Ptoleme, 14 December 2009 20:00)
I'd like for Serbs to visit some of the Kosovar settlements within Albania proper in Durres and Fier from Kosovar Albanians who fled Serb persecution between the two world wars.
If you think any Albanian could ever leave Hoxha's Albania for Kosova then you are deluding yourself.
The only Albanian migrations after Albania's independence have been into Albania specificaly from Chameria (Northern Greece) and Kosova.
If Serbia can convince K-Albanians about "peaceful and prosperous future" within Serbia all problems are solved.
But Serbia has failed miserably to do that. It wasted a whole century to achieve that and everyone ran our of patience. I would say 100 years waiting for Serbia to offer a "peaceful and prosperous future" to K-Albanians, it's beyond any logical patience.
Your word and the others in here won't cut it either. Hence the conviction that independent, albeit " not as prosperous" solution outside Serbia is better than you could ever offer. As for "peaceful", I must say there is nothing to compare with the events of a decade ago.
What a beautiful old man with his beautiful plis (pileus) hat in his beautiful land Kosova=Dardania enjoying his democratic right to vote freely in the democratic Kosova.
(ben, 14 December 2009 13:15)
Ben,
A bit of advice for you, lay off the Kool-Aid for a while.
38% is a shockingly bad turnout. It sums up that apathy rules in NATO's latest protectorate after Afghanistan.
The picture is beautiful, the process is beautiful, the plis is fabulous proof of the ancient and glorious Albanian history and the democracy is at work in Kosova.
(ben, 14 December 2009 21:50)
--
ben, didn't you read the article or is the below the type of democracy ethnic Albanians keep promoting?
Ismet Krueziju of the Democracy in Action non-governmental organization said that there was double-voting, physical assaults, bribes, ballot box stuffing, attempts to vote in the name of the deceased, pictures of candidates appearing at the polling stations, electricity being cut off, among other infractions.
--
Democracy is alive and well in Kosovo ;)
Better in Albanian hell than Serb paradise.
(Zoti, 14 December 2009 16:21)
--
You might want to say that to those Albanians that fled into Kosovo not so long ago. They all came to Serbia for a better life and they got it.
Anyway, Serbia achieved close to a 70% turnout when motivated and I'm sure our ethnic Albanians will get 80% if the right type of party for the right reasons is formed.
This is not about Kosova returning to Serbia or Kosovo already being in Serbia. It's about taking the province forward instead of living in a made up past, as so many people do.
Anyway, the people will speak up sooner or later. It just depends on their threshold for pain. The people in Pristina cannot hold the province back forever.
The picture is beautiful, the process is beautiful, the plis is fabulous proof of the ancient and glorious Albanian history and the democracy is at work in Kosova.
People are free to vote for whoever they want - if they want.
If they turn in 38% or 98% it is their free democratic choice. It is democracy.
The 38% shows that the status in hearts and minds (as well as de jure and de facto) is closed for Kosovars.
It is obvious that they do not suffer from the inferiority to justify to you or anyone else that the state of Kosova is reality and that they are happy being free and independent to live and vote in independent Kosova.
It is your wish that Kosovars have doubts and to be scared of losing the state thus they should catch every opportunity to show that they are happy with the independent Kosova.
All you need is to admire them- but be sure that if you don’t it is not a problem at all no one needs your sympathy.
What tells to you participation of Shterpce residents in voting with 54.26%?! What tells to you that SLS candidate won there with 4.345 votes (65% of total votes)?! Please don't try to say that people like this old men with plis have voted for SLS!
Hello Zoran... thanks for your consults, but no thanks... you can spent them for yourself... here in Kosovo, we are ready to wait a better day, but without Belgrade and his peaple like you...
in 2006, how many peaple of Serbia voted your constitution... there was tow time to vote, no, because your peaple dont like even serbian gov, no??? you can understand that in Europe, in Switzerland, when I live now, there is no more than 30 % of peaple how are going to vote... you don't like, but that the democracy... if we want to change things, we have to vote, and our vote is we want our Kosovo, but not Serbia... thanks for respecting our view, and not only yours, because we had your authority until 1999, and we "accepted" it until 1999... but no more... there is a Kosovo, and his peaple, and we are now independent, that's the democracy... thanks God...
I'm surprised at serbs commenting the Kosovo elections turnout when you know that a few years ago...Serbia was forced to wave the legal thresold of 50% !!! Their elections couldn't be validated twice because of a lack of participation...
And as to prosperity....please Zoran...we all read newspapers. Does the IMF still rent an office in Serbian government building ???...Serbia is bankrupted
What a beautiful old man with his beautiful plis (pileus) hat in his beautiful land Kosova=Dardania enjoying his democratic right to vote freely in the democratic Kosova.
(ben, 14 December 2009 13:15)
Ben,
Did they not have the right to dress the way they want, speak the language they want and vote if they wanted to before 1999?
This is a good sign of the mood in our province. 38% is a shockingly low turnout and it demonstates the disillusionment coming from the people. They are stuck in self-imposed isolation with no future prospects.
We have ethnic Albanians in the US and Europe claiming they would rather starve or die than to negotiate a peaceful and prosperous future. It's easy for them to say when they have food on the table and heating during winter.
There will come a point when ethnic Albanians in Kosovo have had enough. They will reject the blind nationalism being shoved down their throats and decide they want change - and change will only come through further negotiations.
Lets see how long they can tolerate prison camp "Kosova".
Zoran negotiation will not bring food on the table and will not bring heat on winter either. And it is not as bad as you say it is in Kosovo. You cannot found one single albanian who want to negotiate with Serbia. Not even that man who has no food or a house.
And in the end majority rules and the majority in Kosovo lives as good as serbs in Serbia. maybee even better.
You can continue to to hope but I can proomise you on behalf of all albanians that there will never be any negotiations with Serbia about our own status. If Serbia continues like this there will be no negotiations with Serbia at all and then Serbia will never be a member of EU.
Independence is irreversble and after ICJ there is more to come. Kosovo will never be Serbian I can promise you that too.
What a beautiful old man with his beautiful plis (pileus) hat in his beautiful land Kosova=Dardania enjoying his democratic right to vote freely in the democratic Kosova.
38% of Kosovo are delusioned traitors acording to Zoran and all his bodys that have no conection to Kosovo what so ever.
If you pay attention, these are the run up elections. Unlike the "Serb only" citizen elections, that lifes were threatened and tv's and flour exchanged for fake votes, it is sad that he has no real idea of who has more nationalism in his own throat.
If you dont find anything wrong with these elections, you go down to numbers, if the numbers were healthy, you would of blamed the what???
If Serbia can convince K-Albanians about "peaceful and prosperous future" within Serbia all problems are solved.
But Serbia has failed miserably to do that. It wasted a whole century to achieve that and everyone ran our of patience. I would say 100 years waiting for Serbia to offer a "peaceful and prosperous future" to K-Albanians, it's beyond any logical patience.
Your word and the others in here won't cut it either. Hence the conviction that independent, albeit " not as prosperous" solution outside Serbia is better than you could ever offer. As for "peaceful", I must say there is nothing to compare with the events of a decade ago.
Zoran, are you sure???
(Ymer, 14 December 2009 12:51)
--
Yes, I'm pretty sure negotiations will occur but not while you have criminals like Thaci as your leaders. When you finally get some moderates in power who are willing to represent the people you may finally get a motivated 80% turnout. In the mean time, we can all eat some popcorn while watching another episode of the decade Kosovo stood still.
In the mean time, we can all eat some popcorn while watching another episode of the decade Kosovo stood still.
(Zoran, 14 December 2009 15:59
It is better now in Kosovo than what it was before 1999 when 800 000 albanians was forced to leave their homes because of repression from serbian state organs.
Today we are building better roads,schools,hospitals and nobody is afraid of state organs like the police and army.
'When you finally get some moderates in power who are willing to represent the people you may finally get a motivated 80% turnout.'
In what democracy in the world (where voting is not compulsory, that is) do you get an 80% turnout?? In a non-presidential election. Not to mention a run-off. We're lucky to get anything over 60% in the U.S. in a presidential election.
BTW, if there's ever an election on whether Kosovo should join Serbia, under any arrangement, I'm sure there will be a massive showing at the polls. People easily distinguish between existential and routine elections.
Wow! I'm impressed! 38 percent! I guess the albanians are as eager over their "dependence" as the rest of the world. More people would have voted if Kosovo was truly independent.
Better in Albanian hell than Serb paradise.
(Zoti, 14 December 2009 16:21)
--
You might want to say that to those Albanians that fled into Kosovo not so long ago. They all came to Serbia for a better life and they got it.
Anyway, Serbia achieved close to a 70% turnout when motivated and I'm sure our ethnic Albanians will get 80% if the right type of party for the right reasons is formed.
This is not about Kosova returning to Serbia or Kosovo already being in Serbia. It's about taking the province forward instead of living in a made up past, as so many people do.
Anyway, the people will speak up sooner or later. It just depends on their threshold for pain. The people in Pristina cannot hold the province back forever.
What a beautiful old man with his beautiful plis (pileus) hat in his beautiful land Kosova=Dardania enjoying his democratic right to vote freely in the democratic Kosova.
(ben, 14 December 2009 13:15)
Ben,
A bit of advice for you, lay off the Kool-Aid for a while.
38% is a shockingly bad turnout. It sums up that apathy rules in NATO's latest protectorate after Afghanistan.
The picture is beautiful, the process is beautiful, the plis is fabulous proof of the ancient and glorious Albanian history and the democracy is at work in Kosova.
(ben, 14 December 2009 21:50)
--
ben, didn't you read the article or is the below the type of democracy ethnic Albanians keep promoting?
Ismet Krueziju of the Democracy in Action non-governmental organization said that there was double-voting, physical assaults, bribes, ballot box stuffing, attempts to vote in the name of the deceased, pictures of candidates appearing at the polling stations, electricity being cut off, among other infractions.
--
Democracy is alive and well in Kosovo ;)
The picture is beautiful, the process is beautiful, the plis is fabulous proof of the ancient and glorious Albanian history and the democracy is at work in Kosova.
People are free to vote for whoever they want - if they want.
If they turn in 38% or 98% it is their free democratic choice. It is democracy.
The 38% shows that the status in hearts and minds (as well as de jure and de facto) is closed for Kosovars.
It is obvious that they do not suffer from the inferiority to justify to you or anyone else that the state of Kosova is reality and that they are happy being free and independent to live and vote in independent Kosova.
It is your wish that Kosovars have doubts and to be scared of losing the state thus they should catch every opportunity to show that they are happy with the independent Kosova.
All you need is to admire them- but be sure that if you don’t it is not a problem at all no one needs your sympathy.
What a beautiful old man with his beautiful plis (pileus) hat in his beautiful land Kosova=Dardania enjoying his democratic right to vote freely in the democratic Kosova.
(ben, 14 December 2009 13:15)
Ben,
Did they not have the right to dress the way they want, speak the language they want and vote if they wanted to before 1999?
I've heard/seen/read Serbs claim that Albanians emigrated en masse to Serbia. Since when did this happen? Are you talking about 1999?
Otherwise, what other significant event was there?
(Ptoleme, 14 December 2009 20:00)
I'd like for Serbs to visit some of the Kosovar settlements within Albania proper in Durres and Fier from Kosovar Albanians who fled Serb persecution between the two world wars.
If you think any Albanian could ever leave Hoxha's Albania for Kosova then you are deluding yourself.
The only Albanian migrations after Albania's independence have been into Albania specificaly from Chameria (Northern Greece) and Kosova.
I'm surprised at serbs commenting the Kosovo elections turnout when you know that a few years ago...Serbia was forced to wave the legal thresold of 50% !!! Their elections couldn't be validated twice because of a lack of participation...
And as to prosperity....please Zoran...we all read newspapers. Does the IMF still rent an office in Serbian government building ???...Serbia is bankrupted
What tells to you participation of Shterpce residents in voting with 54.26%?! What tells to you that SLS candidate won there with 4.345 votes (65% of total votes)?! Please don't try to say that people like this old men with plis have voted for SLS!
Hello Zoran... thanks for your consults, but no thanks... you can spent them for yourself... here in Kosovo, we are ready to wait a better day, but without Belgrade and his peaple like you...
in 2006, how many peaple of Serbia voted your constitution... there was tow time to vote, no, because your peaple dont like even serbian gov, no??? you can understand that in Europe, in Switzerland, when I live now, there is no more than 30 % of peaple how are going to vote... you don't like, but that the democracy... if we want to change things, we have to vote, and our vote is we want our Kosovo, but not Serbia... thanks for respecting our view, and not only yours, because we had your authority until 1999, and we "accepted" it until 1999... but no more... there is a Kosovo, and his peaple, and we are now independent, that's the democracy... thanks God...
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